| Date Aired | Heroes Episode | HH Ratings / Share | Total Viewers (Million) | Viewers 18-49 (Million) | Viewers 18-34 (Million) | Viewers 25-54 (Million) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 09/24/2007 | Four Months Later | 9.9/14 | 16.97 | 9.58 | 5.33 | 9.61 |
| 10/01/2007 | Lizards | 7.0/10 | 11.96 | 7.26 | 4.04 | 7.33 |
| 10/08/2007 | Kindred | 6.5/9 | 10.91 | 6.67 | 3.69 | 6.66 |
| 10/15/2007 | The Kindness of Strangers | 6.8/10 | 11.41 | 6.80 | 3.81 | 6.70 |
| 10/22/2007 | Fight or Flight* | 5.6/8 | 9.44 | 5.31 | 3.14 | 5.09 |
| 10/29/2007 | The Line | 6.1/9 | 10.51 | 6.46 | 3.74 | 6.09 |
| 11/05/2007 | Out of Time | 6.1/9 | 9.88 | 6.46 | 3.65 | 5.94 |
| 11/12/2007 | Four Months Ago... | 6.6/10 | 11.16 | 6.76 | 3.83 | 6.68 |
| 11/19/2007 | Cautionary Tales | 6.6/10 | 10.81 | 6.63 | 3.61 | 6.49 |
| 11/26/2007 | Truth & Consequences | 6.7/10 | 11.89 | 6.92 | 3.88 | 6.74 |
| 12/03/2007 | Powerless | 6.5/9 | 11.06 | 6.60 | 3.61 | 6.47 |
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All ratings are LIVE+SD (Same Day DVR usage) unless otherwise indicated
** Ratings info for the 10/22/07 episode is for LIVE ratings only
Nielsen Ratings Data: ©2007 Nielsen Media Research, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Oh my, what a ratings dip! It's really to bad, the show is just getting good again.
Oh my, what a ratings dip! It’s really to bad, the show is just getting good again.
Matthias — sophomore slump for sure. Although the best episode of the whole season (in my opinion)was last Monday's “Four Months Ago…” (11/12) and we won't have the detailed data for that airing until tomorrow, but it still won't be anywhere near the levels of the premiere.
Matthias — sophomore slump for sure. Although the best episode of the whole season (in my opinion)was last Monday’s “Four Months Ago…” (11/12) and we won’t have the detailed data for that airing until tomorrow, but it still won’t be anywhere near the levels of the premiere.
Matthias and Robert,
It's not a “sophomore slump,” a lawsuit filed by two nyc artists in a nyc federal court in march 2007 against Tim Kring and NBC for copyright infringement is having a chilling effect on Heroes storylines and it's ratings.
The judge on this lawsuit is Denise Cote.
Judge Cote tried Tyco executive Dennis Koslowski, he was sentenced to 25 years in prison in early 2007.
To read more log onto http://www.tvsuad.com search “4 months ago” and read comments by Poli.
more info: google Joann Vara
this person works in the film and tv industry and they've posted a lot of info about this story.
I am working on a documentary about this lawsuit and i find your comments interesting.
I apologize for typo:
the correct site is http://www.tvsquad.com search “4 months ago” read comments by Poli.
thank you
Poli, please don't take this personally — it's just my opinion…
I think the ratings are worse because the show hasn't been very good this year. I'd attribute that more to Kring trying to write story arcs around NBC's scheduling and it not producing a good result.
That some set-designer asserts that Kring based the character Isaac on a real life artist — so what? Isaac was killed off last year. 99.999% of the people who have ever watched Heroes have never even heard of Joann Vara and a fair chunk of them seemingly stopped watching anyway.
I'm not saying that the storyline sucks isn't a result of legal action — there's no way for me to know for sure and I seriously doubt Mr. Kring will submit to a polygraph test so I can validate my theory that the show's writing wasn't affected by a lawsuit. But as for the ratings, the show just hasn't been as good this year.
Comparing Kring to Koslowski is beyond ludicrous in my not so humble opinion.
Matthias and Robert,
It’s not a “sophomore slump,” a lawsuit filed by two nyc artists in a nyc federal court in march 2007 against Tim Kring and NBC for copyright infringement is having a chilling effect on Heroes storylines and it’s ratings.
The judge on this lawsuit is Denise Cote.
Judge Cote tried Tyco executive Dennis Koslowski, he was sentenced to 25 years in prison in early 2007.
To read more log onto http://www.tvsuad.com search “4 months ago” and read comments by Poli.
more info: google Joann Vara
this person works in the film and tv industry and they’ve posted a lot of info about this story.
I am working on a documentary about this lawsuit and i find your comments interesting.
I apologize for typo:
the correct site is http://www.tvsquad.com search “4 months ago” read comments by Poli.
thank you
Poli, please don’t take this personally — it’s just my opinion…
I think the ratings are worse because the show hasn’t been very good this year. I’d attribute that more to Kring trying to write story arcs around NBC’s scheduling and it not producing a good result.
That some set-designer asserts that Kring based the character Isaac on a real life artist — so what? Isaac was killed off last year. 99.999% of the people who have ever watched Heroes have never even heard of Joann Vara and a fair chunk of them seemingly stopped watching anyway.
I’m not saying that the storyline sucks isn’t a result of legal action — there’s no way for me to know for sure and I seriously doubt Mr. Kring will submit to a polygraph test so I can validate my theory that the show’s writing wasn’t affected by a lawsuit. But as for the ratings, the show just hasn’t been as good this year.
Comparing Kring to Koslowski is beyond ludicrous in my not so humble opinion.
Thanks Robert for your comments.
I hope this long post will shed light on some of your theories.
I am not comparing Tim Kring to Koslowski, both men have nothing in common , except….
both men are thieves.
A good writer ” could write “story arcs around NBC's schedule if those story arcs were original and created by said writer. ( You either can write or you can't ).
Everyone that reads any Heroes blogs have read Joann's comments. Her comments are based on her experience in the film and tv industry . Joann has not asserted anything, she told the fans of Heroes the truth.
and that truth is:
“a writer can not register an already published work by another artist with the WGA as “their original material”.
( that's stealing). Read the WGA guidelines, it's all there.
Tim Kring claims he's” the creator” and his storylines are “original.”
please look up the definition of “creator” and” original “in webster's dictionary.
The NYC artist that can paint the future and uses his painting to stop a catastophic event against two NYC landmark buidings( 9-11-01″The Twins” and Isaac's Nuclear Blast Heroes) before it happens fiction or non-fiction had already been published several years before Tim kring claims he came up with the idea by these artists in Russell simmons one world magazine in July 2001 and the NY DailyNews on August 5, 2004.
Tim Kring claims in several interviews that he came up with the idea in Oct-Nov 2005.
He claims he took a long walk with Jeph loeb and everything he pitched to jeph,
jeph told him”tim it's been done before”.
Tim pressed his eyes tight and presto! he was able to come up with a new show idea.
Tim's new idea made Jeph say: Tim, “the artist that can paint the future “,that's never been done before.
Tim called Jeph back after their long walk and asked,
“Jeph do you know of any artist that can paint?
Jeph pointed Tim kring to
Tim Sales, a comic book artist that couldn't paint, was color blind and needed to refer to a “Goya art book” for artistic inspiration on how to create paintings for a artist that can paint the future on a major network.( this is white affirmative action, because i doubt if a Black or Latino artist could get a job on a major network without having any qualifications , skills or real talent). It's all online , read it.
Tim Kring went on to put a script together and add art to the script, something that is not done in Hollywood.
In interviews, all of the actors on Heroes said they were “shocked “to see art with a script and because of this fact they knew the show was going to be very special.
Tim Kring claims he pitched that script with art to NBC and on the strength of the script with art, NBC bought Heroes.
Tim's boss at NBC katherine Pope stated in an interview that” Tim's script with art was revolitionary and his writing skills were extraordinary.”( then why is Heroes number 30 in the ratings?).
after 10 years” Law and Order” is still in the top 10. why? Because the writers can write.
A quick glance at the lawsuit files clearly shows the cover of Tim's script with art looks just like “The Twins' script with art. ( both are online).
A artist that can paint the future is a common stock element. what a writer adds to that common stock element is called an 'expression”. That expression is copyrightable.
one of the expression in this lawsuit that was stolen is:
“the NYC artist uses the paintings to stop a tragedy against two NYC landmark buildings.
Here's the problem:
That storyline has never been done in tv, film, books or comic books. Name the actor, the show and year. You can't. that's why the storyline was greenlighted by Jeph loeb. ( google tim Kring and jeph Loeb Heroes interviews to read full articles).
Had Isaac Mendez used his paintings to tell the public which plants in the flower shop will die there would be no lawsuit and no copyright infringement.
You're right, Isaac was killed off. He was killed off as soon as the lawsuit was filed. ( do the timeline).
Isaac was the map of the show, that's why his paintings are sill being used in season 2.
Issac was the reason NBC bought the show, because he was a pioneering character.
the other chracters are common stock element that can be found in any superhero comic book. but no writer has developed a full character storyline for a ” artist that can paint the future” for a major network.
Even the actor that played Isaac said in an interview that” I leave Heroes knowing nothing about Isaac.”
That's not the case with the other characters on Heroes. In fact Tim Kring is making every attempt to tell us about every Hero on the show except Isaac.
It doesn't matter what joann or any poster think, it's about the facts and what's in the lawsuit files on both sides. i have read both and i'm working on a documentary about this heinous crime. Tim kring lied to and duped a lot of people into thinking he's something he's not and I think the ratings and storylines reflect the level of his talent inspite of any network schedules or lawsuits. Tim Kring is on line for the writer's strike marching for the rights to get top dollar for the work he steals. well for hardworking production people that have to feed their families knowing the truth about this thief hack writer would be a hard pill to swallow. The man is scum and you're not feeling his crime because he's not a young Black male with a gun in his hand stealing your personal belongings.
You would want that Black man too submit to more than a polygraph, you'd want him in jail where he would rightfully belong.
It is not up to Tim Kring if “he will or want “to submit to a polygraph, it's up to the judge.
Thanks Robert for your comments.
I hope this long post will shed light on some of your theories.
I am not comparing Tim Kring to Koslowski, both men have nothing in common , except….
both men are thieves.
A good writer ” could write “story arcs around NBC’s schedule if those story arcs were original and created by said writer. ( You either can write or you can’t ).
Everyone that reads any Heroes blogs have read Joann’s comments. Her comments are based on her experience in the film and tv industry . Joann has not asserted anything, she told the fans of Heroes the truth.
and that truth is:
“a writer can not register an already published work by another artist with the WGA as “their original material”.
( that’s stealing). Read the WGA guidelines, it’s all there.
Tim Kring claims he’s” the creator” and his storylines are “original.”
please look up the definition of “creator” and” original “in webster’s dictionary.
The NYC artist that can paint the future and uses his painting to stop a catastophic event against two NYC landmark buidings( 9-11-01″The Twins” and Isaac’s Nuclear Blast Heroes) before it happens fiction or non-fiction had already been published several years before Tim kring claims he came up with the idea by these artists in Russell simmons one world magazine in July 2001 and the NY DailyNews on August 5, 2004.
Tim Kring claims in several interviews that he came up with the idea in Oct-Nov 2005.
He claims he took a long walk with Jeph loeb and everything he pitched to jeph,
jeph told him”tim it’s been done before”.
Tim pressed his eyes tight and presto! he was able to come up with a new show idea.
Tim’s new idea made Jeph say: Tim, “the artist that can paint the future “,that’s never been done before.
Tim called Jeph back after their long walk and asked,
“Jeph do you know of any artist that can paint?
Jeph pointed Tim kring to
Tim Sales, a comic book artist that couldn’t paint, was color blind and needed to refer to a “Goya art book” for artistic inspiration on how to create paintings for a artist that can paint the future on a major network.( this is white affirmative action, because i doubt if a Black or Latino artist could get a job on a major network without having any qualifications , skills or real talent). It’s all online , read it.
Tim Kring went on to put a script together and add art to the script, something that is not done in Hollywood.
In interviews, all of the actors on Heroes said they were “shocked “to see art with a script and because of this fact they knew the show was going to be very special.
Tim Kring claims he pitched that script with art to NBC and on the strength of the script with art, NBC bought Heroes.
Tim’s boss at NBC katherine Pope stated in an interview that” Tim’s script with art was revolitionary and his writing skills were extraordinary.”( then why is Heroes number 30 in the ratings?).
after 10 years” Law and Order” is still in the top 10. why? Because the writers can write.
A quick glance at the lawsuit files clearly shows the cover of Tim’s script with art looks just like “The Twins’ script with art. ( both are online).
A artist that can paint the future is a common stock element. what a writer adds to that common stock element is called an ‘expression”. That expression is copyrightable.
one of the expression in this lawsuit that was stolen is:
“the NYC artist uses the paintings to stop a tragedy against two NYC landmark buildings.
Here’s the problem:
That storyline has never been done in tv, film, books or comic books. Name the actor, the show and year. You can’t. that’s why the storyline was greenlighted by Jeph loeb. ( google tim Kring and jeph Loeb Heroes interviews to read full articles).
Had Isaac Mendez used his paintings to tell the public which plants in the flower shop will die there would be no lawsuit and no copyright infringement.
You’re right, Isaac was killed off. He was killed off as soon as the lawsuit was filed. ( do the timeline).
Isaac was the map of the show, that’s why his paintings are sill being used in season 2.
Issac was the reason NBC bought the show, because he was a pioneering character.
the other chracters are common stock element that can be found in any superhero comic book. but no writer has developed a full character storyline for a ” artist that can paint the future” for a major network.
Even the actor that played Isaac said in an interview that” I leave Heroes knowing nothing about Isaac.”
That’s not the case with the other characters on Heroes. In fact Tim Kring is making every attempt to tell us about every Hero on the show except Isaac.
It doesn’t matter what joann or any poster think, it’s about the facts and what’s in the lawsuit files on both sides. i have read both and i’m working on a documentary about this heinous crime. Tim kring lied to and duped a lot of people into thinking he’s something he’s not and I think the ratings and storylines reflect the level of his talent inspite of any network schedules or lawsuits. Tim Kring is on line for the writer’s strike marching for the rights to get top dollar for the work he steals. well for hardworking production people that have to feed their families knowing the truth about this thief hack writer would be a hard pill to swallow. The man is scum and you’re not feeling his crime because he’s not a young Black male with a gun in his hand stealing your personal belongings.
You would want that Black man too submit to more than a polygraph, you’d want him in jail where he would rightfully belong.
It is not up to Tim Kring if “he will or want “to submit to a polygraph, it’s up to the judge.
Eh. You've found him “guilty” of being a thief, I'll go with due process in this case. You also have some vested interest/axe to grind. It's not my cup of tea. We'll see how it plays out.
Eh. You’ve found him “guilty” of being a thief, I’ll go with due process in this case. You also have some vested interest/axe to grind. It’s not my cup of tea. We’ll see how it plays out.
first of all i apologize for the typo on “Revolutionary” “and that's why his paintings are sill being used”, in my recent post.
I am babysitting and the kids are ultra busy……………
So I may have hit the wrong key.
Robert, I don't have an axe to grind with Tim Kring or NBC.
Grinding an axe with Tim Kring is not going to put $$$$ in my pocket, presenting the facts and the truth in my documentary will.
It worked for Michael Moore, and thanks to my posts on youtube etc.. I've already received a lot of interesting offers from some really name people.
No matter the outcome of this lawsuit, my documentary will still be made.
I have no choice but to wait for due process in this lawsuit like everyone else.
I only posted what I saw in the lawsuit files online.
My vested interest is my documentary, so you're right.
Watching a lying hack writer rip off two artists because he has no talent and want to eat crabs at the Ivy with Spielberg is not “My cup of tea” either.
I find it fascinating that this moron left a paper trail that leads right up to his front door.
You're already seeing how it's playing out…
It's called toilet ratings, silly storylines and the cancelation of “Orgins”.
NBC has only two shows in the top 20 shows on tv: “Sunday night football and the “Sunday night NFL pregame”.
The rest of the lineup belongs to CBS, ABC and FOX TV.
I didn't find Tim Kring “guilty” of being a thief, the documents in the lawsuit clearly demonstrated he was “guilty” of being a thief.
Think about what the NY DailyNews states “about the artist that can paint the future” in August 2004. ( google ENJAI EELE to read NY Daily News article).
Whether you believe “The Twins” can paint the future or not, they were still published in major publications as doing so long BEFORE Tim Kring claimed he came up with the storyline.
How is Tim Kring the author, creator or originator of the storyline: “The NYC artist that can paint the future” and uses those paintings to try and stop a catastrophic event against two NYC landmark buildings before it happens as an ordinary person with extraordinary abilities.” ? when that story written by a Vanity Fair Magazine editor named Lloyd Grove has already written this story about “the Twins' in 2004 in THE NY DAILY NEWS PEOPLE!
Read the NY Daily News article in August 2004 “The Twins were living out “Heroes” synopsis:
“ordinary people with extraordinary powers”, that claim they can paint and write the future.”
In “The Twins” work online one can read how “The Twins' bleed a liquid from their eyes and have the ability to do so to others.
In the book Latino's call “The Twins” “Gemelos” through out the work. On Heroes a latino woman called the wonderless twins “Gemelos”.
“Gemelos” is spanish for twins.
“The Twins” in their fictional book that's posted online, use their powers to help immigrants across the borders, in Heroes the wonderless twins are immigrants trying to get across the border.
Robert had Tim Kring stole your work and someone had brought it to my attention the way joann and many other posters have, I would post and let as many people as i could, know about your plight.
I don't have to know you, you're a human being.
It's not right to steal and I know you wouldn't appreciate it if someone stole something from you.
I used to be a fan of Heroes, I used to spend my money to throw “Heroes office parties” and I had no clue about any of this.
I'm thankful to all the people that posted, it gave me the idea to make my documentary and thanks to myspace, youtube etc… my doc idea is generating interest.
Tim Kring lied to everyone and my documentary is going to show you the truth about why “Heroes” is no longer number one but number 30 and so much more.
Question Robert: What will you say or think if it's proven that Tim Kring stole these artists work?
TYPO:” STILL”
thanks,
Poli
Robert,
This is my last post for the evening.
It was great chatting with you and I very much appreciated your “civil and intelligent ” comments about this lawsuit.
Here's something I found on “The Twins” artwork spoken about in the NY DailyNews.
“The Twins” painted and copyrighted a painting called “The Atta Page” in early 2001.
They left Texas in Jan 2001 enroute to NYC to use “The Atta Page” to stop 9-11-01 before it happened.
The Atta Page according to what's been posted online, is a large oil canvas that depicts” two airplanes crashing into the twin towers, with the message “a man named ATTA attack twin towers September 11 at 9:00 am.
The Atta Page also depicts the message that there are 9 letters in the word Manhattan and 11 letters in the name Mohamed Atta.
The name ATTA is also in the word manhATTAn.
note: Mohamed Atta was the first pilot to crash a stolen airplane into the twin towers on september 11, 2001.
according to a screening held at a college for “The Twins”, these artists claim that ATTA WAS SENT because whenever the world looks at the word manhATTAn, the world will always remember the name ATTA and what he did to the twin towers on SEPTEMBER 11,2001.
Now Robert did you see any of this? I didn't, not until i read the comments online.
“The Twins' 9-11-01 storyline and their ATTA PAGE is better than any storyline on Heroes.
Just my opinion…
and remember, comic book artists in real life don't paint on canvas.
ask Tim Sales.
The Twins not only paint on large canvas, but according to comments online they exhibit their work at major NYC galleries and their art and 9-11-01 story is part of the NY Historical Society's archives, under “CityLore” curated by Sally Herships.
A story was written in the Boston Globe newspaper about Sally Herships and her experience with “The Twins”.
There is another article in the Hunter college newspaper “The Envoy” date: May 11, 2005 where “The Twins” predicted and painted Hurricane” Katrina and Rita” that hit in August 2005.
That's right Robert,
“The Twins”predictions and paintings for these storms that hit in august 2005 were published in the Hunter College NYC newspaper MAY 11.2005.
All of this information and more will be in my Documentary.
first of all i apologize for the typo on “Revolutionary” “and that’s why his paintings are sill being used”, in my recent post.
I am babysitting and the kids are ultra busy……………
So I may have hit the wrong key.
Robert, I don’t have an axe to grind with Tim Kring or NBC.
Grinding an axe with Tim Kring is not going to put $$$$ in my pocket, presenting the facts and the truth in my documentary will.
It worked for Michael Moore, and thanks to my posts on youtube etc.. I’ve already received a lot of interesting offers from some really name people.
No matter the outcome of this lawsuit, my documentary will still be made.
I have no choice but to wait for due process in this lawsuit like everyone else.
I only posted what I saw in the lawsuit files online.
My vested interest is my documentary, so you’re right.
Watching a lying hack writer rip off two artists because he has no talent and want to eat crabs at the Ivy with Spielberg is not “My cup of tea” either.
I find it fascinating that this moron left a paper trail that leads right up to his front door.
You’re already seeing how it’s playing out…
It’s called toilet ratings, silly storylines and the cancelation of “Orgins”.
NBC has only two shows in the top 20 shows on tv: “Sunday night football and the “Sunday night NFL pregame”.
The rest of the lineup belongs to CBS, ABC and FOX TV.
I didn’t find Tim Kring “guilty” of being a thief, the documents in the lawsuit clearly demonstrated he was “guilty” of being a thief.
Think about what the NY DailyNews states “about the artist that can paint the future” in August 2004. ( google ENJAI EELE to read NY Daily News article).
Whether you believe “The Twins” can paint the future or not, they were still published in major publications as doing so long BEFORE Tim Kring claimed he came up with the storyline.
How is Tim Kring the author, creator or originator of the storyline: “The NYC artist that can paint the future” and uses those paintings to try and stop a catastrophic event against two NYC landmark buildings before it happens as an ordinary person with extraordinary abilities.” ? when that story written by a Vanity Fair Magazine editor named Lloyd Grove has already written this story about “the Twins’ in 2004 in THE NY DAILY NEWS PEOPLE!
Read the NY Daily News article in August 2004 “The Twins were living out “Heroes” synopsis:
“ordinary people with extraordinary powers”, that claim they can paint and write the future.”
In “The Twins” work online one can read how “The Twins’ bleed a liquid from their eyes and have the ability to do so to others.
In the book Latino’s call “The Twins” “Gemelos” through out the work. On Heroes a latino woman called the wonderless twins “Gemelos”.
“Gemelos” is spanish for twins.
“The Twins” in their fictional book that’s posted online, use their powers to help immigrants across the borders, in Heroes the wonderless twins are immigrants trying to get across the border.
Robert had Tim Kring stole your work and someone had brought it to my attention the way joann and many other posters have, I would post and let as many people as i could, know about your plight.
I don’t have to know you, you’re a human being.
It’s not right to steal and I know you wouldn’t appreciate it if someone stole something from you.
I used to be a fan of Heroes, I used to spend my money to throw “Heroes office parties” and I had no clue about any of this.
I’m thankful to all the people that posted, it gave me the idea to make my documentary and thanks to myspace, youtube etc… my doc idea is generating interest.
Tim Kring lied to everyone and my documentary is going to show you the truth about why “Heroes” is no longer number one but number 30 and so much more.
Question Robert: What will you say or think if it’s proven that Tim Kring stole these artists work?
TYPO:” STILL”
thanks,
Poli
Robert,
This is my last post for the evening.
It was great chatting with you and I very much appreciated your “civil and intelligent ” comments about this lawsuit.
Here’s something I found on “The Twins” artwork spoken about in the NY DailyNews.
“The Twins” painted and copyrighted a painting called “The Atta Page” in early 2001.
They left Texas in Jan 2001 enroute to NYC to use “The Atta Page” to stop 9-11-01 before it happened.
The Atta Page according to what’s been posted online, is a large oil canvas that depicts” two airplanes crashing into the twin towers, with the message “a man named ATTA attack twin towers September 11 at 9:00 am.
The Atta Page also depicts the message that there are 9 letters in the word Manhattan and 11 letters in the name Mohamed Atta.
The name ATTA is also in the word manhATTAn.
note: Mohamed Atta was the first pilot to crash a stolen airplane into the twin towers on september 11, 2001.
according to a screening held at a college for “The Twins”, these artists claim that ATTA WAS SENT because whenever the world looks at the word manhATTAn, the world will always remember the name ATTA and what he did to the twin towers on SEPTEMBER 11,2001.
Now Robert did you see any of this? I didn’t, not until i read the comments online.
“The Twins’ 9-11-01 storyline and their ATTA PAGE is better than any storyline on Heroes.
Just my opinion…
and remember, comic book artists in real life don’t paint on canvas.
ask Tim Sales.
The Twins not only paint on large canvas, but according to comments online they exhibit their work at major NYC galleries and their art and 9-11-01 story is part of the NY Historical Society’s archives, under “CityLore” curated by Sally Herships.
A story was written in the Boston Globe newspaper about Sally Herships and her experience with “The Twins”.
There is another article in the Hunter college newspaper “The Envoy” date: May 11, 2005 where “The Twins” predicted and painted Hurricane” Katrina and Rita” that hit in August 2005.
That’s right Robert,
“The Twins”predictions and paintings for these storms that hit in august 2005 were published in the Hunter College NYC newspaper MAY 11.2005.
All of this information and more will be in my Documentary.
Wow, Poli certainly has investigated Tim Kring, good luck on your documentary. It's too bad Mr. Kring didn't steal, allegedly, more ideas when he created Heroes, because he certainly hasn't managed to keep up the creativity on his show. The first volume started out good but then became inconsistent and ended on a weak note. And the second volume has been a joke. Almost all the main characters just to repeat themselves in volume two learning nothing from their mistakes, Peter struggled to figure out what was happening to him, Claire rebelled against HRG, Nikki struggled with her alter ego, etc etc but they were now in different locations. Boring! And the new characters that were brought in only succeeded in weakening the show with their useless and repetitive side stories which dragged the pace down and did not give the kind of momentum needed to push a main storyline of such magnitude. Based on what we have gotten so far from Kring and his staff there really isn't any need to watch Volume III. Time Kring is the master of Illusion not a good story teller. He creates the most amazing hype every week for Heroes but the episodes end up to be duds, more often than not. Kring should spend less time using other people's ideas, allegedly…and coming up with cool catch phrases like, “Save the Cheerleader” to hook in loyal viewers. Then he could spend more time on the actual writing that goes into each episode. Because there's just no point enticing the viewer if you aren't going to deliver a quality product, they won't stay around.
Wow, Poli certainly has investigated Tim Kring, good luck on your documentary. It’s too bad Mr. Kring didn’t steal, allegedly, more ideas when he created Heroes, because he certainly hasn’t managed to keep up the creativity on his show. The first volume started out good but then became inconsistent and ended on a weak note. And the second volume has been a joke. Almost all the main characters just to repeat themselves in volume two learning nothing from their mistakes, Peter struggled to figure out what was happening to him, Claire rebelled against HRG, Nikki struggled with her alter ego, etc etc but they were now in different locations. Boring! And the new characters that were brought in only succeeded in weakening the show with their useless and repetitive side stories which dragged the pace down and did not give the kind of momentum needed to push a main storyline of such magnitude. Based on what we have gotten so far from Kring and his staff there really isn’t any need to watch Volume III. Time Kring is the master of Illusion not a good story teller. He creates the most amazing hype every week for Heroes but the episodes end up to be duds, more often than not. Kring should spend less time using other people’s ideas, allegedly…and coming up with cool catch phrases like, “Save the Cheerleader” to hook in loyal viewers. Then he could spend more time on the actual writing that goes into each episode. Because there’s just no point enticing the viewer if you aren’t going to deliver a quality product, they won’t stay around.
I'll make a point that people are usually completely unaware of:
Ideas are not copyrightable.
That's right. You can't copyright an idea.
The reason? Ideas are a dime a dozen. Literally. It's all in the execution.
If the ratings are going down it's because the show's not all that good (at least in my humble opinion). I don't think it ever was, but the marketing campaign was clever and got a lot of people hooked.
They're slowly realizing that this show is more hype than anything (shades of Lost).
I’ll make a point that people are usually completely unaware of:
Ideas are not copyrightable.
That’s right. You can’t copyright an idea.
The reason? Ideas are a dime a dozen. Literally. It’s all in the execution.
If the ratings are going down it’s because the show’s not all that good (at least in my humble opinion). I don’t think it ever was, but the marketing campaign was clever and got a lot of people hooked.
They’re slowly realizing that this show is more hype than anything (shades of Lost).
I'm sorry. I have to say something here. Seasoned lurker that I am, I mostly glance at what people write online about shows and novels, as I am a writer of both. Kring, in all probability, did nothing wrong. An idea like “a painter who paints the future” is not only already “in the air” in an era of television shows, films, and books about psychics and dreamers and even people who can create a reality by painting or drawing or dreaming it, such an idea is already present in prior projects. The fact that these two think they came up with it on their own, prior to Kring or not, just proves that they don't read enough to have noticed how many variations of that story already exist. Next thing you know, they'll be claiming to have invented the vampire with a guilty conscience or the corrupt politician who is defeated at the last second just before he destroys the world. No offense intended here but the lawsuit, the accusations, the whole deal is not a “cause” worthy of anyone's attention. Kring is no genius but he is no criminal either and while the decline in the quality of the show may be, in part, due to the stress of the suit, it is far more likely that this decline is due to Kring's desire to branch out and include new characters that no one cares about. Also, as per Crossing Jordan, Kring has never been very good at developing the really evil characters who are made interesting to the viewer not by adding lots of people for them to kill but by illustrating the tendency for the bad among us to walk the line between the darkness and that glimmer of light and hope waiting to redeem them if only they would let it. The show really doesn't have anywhere to go as long as it's characters behave in a schizophrenic fashion, changing their personalities to suit whatever storyline Kring feels like trying out next. If you need someone to worry about, leave the court-loving nutters behind and concentrate of the environment or puppies or something. Everybody loves puppies.
I’m sorry. I have to say something here. Seasoned lurker that I am, I mostly glance at what people write online about shows and novels, as I am a writer of both. Kring, in all probability, did nothing wrong. An idea like “a painter who paints the future” is not only already “in the air” in an era of television shows, films, and books about psychics and dreamers and even people who can create a reality by painting or drawing or dreaming it, such an idea is already present in prior projects. The fact that these two think they came up with it on their own, prior to Kring or not, just proves that they don’t read enough to have noticed how many variations of that story already exist. Next thing you know, they’ll be claiming to have invented the vampire with a guilty conscience or the corrupt politician who is defeated at the last second just before he destroys the world. No offense intended here but the lawsuit, the accusations, the whole deal is not a “cause” worthy of anyone’s attention. Kring is no genius but he is no criminal either and while the decline in the quality of the show may be, in part, due to the stress of the suit, it is far more likely that this decline is due to Kring’s desire to branch out and include new characters that no one cares about. Also, as per Crossing Jordan, Kring has never been very good at developing the really evil characters who are made interesting to the viewer not by adding lots of people for them to kill but by illustrating the tendency for the bad among us to walk the line between the darkness and that glimmer of light and hope waiting to redeem them if only they would let it. The show really doesn’t have anywhere to go as long as it’s characters behave in a schizophrenic fashion, changing their personalities to suit whatever storyline Kring feels like trying out next. If you need someone to worry about, leave the court-loving nutters behind and concentrate of the environment or puppies or something. Everybody loves puppies.
POLI, I would recommend that you spend some of that babysitting money on law school so that you can actually put together a basis for an argument that's valid instead of spewing off non-sense.
The concept of a “painter who paints the future” is not able to be copyrighted. If Tim or anyone else wants to make a show about it, they can do so, and they can do it legally. If Tim wants to create a show about a group of 6 friends living in NYC together (”Friends”), a group of buddies and the bar they frequent (”Cheers”), a crime scene drama that uses evidence in-depth (CSI), etc…he can do so. Is it original? YES, IT IS. He's creating his own characters, own relationships, own story lines that evolve, etc. That's the originality, and it's not copyright infringement.
OH, wait…OMG! OMG! ABC made a drama about the doctors that work at a hospital and their relationships and lives trials (”Grey's Anatomy”). The creators of E.R. should sue! Oh wait…THEY CAN'T.
I guess in your eyes every pop star is violating copyright law and “stealing others work” when they sing about their failed relationships or the love of their life, or every country star is making money off another when they sing about drinking and their wives leaving them, or every rapper is a “thief” for singing about money, women, etc.
Get a grip and get a clue. If anyone is trying to make money off others, it's people like you trying to make documentaries about people and things you have/had no involvement in, trying to bank off the popularity of the show for your own personal interest and gain.
POLI, I would recommend that you spend some of that babysitting money on law school so that you can actually put together a basis for an argument that’s valid instead of spewing off non-sense.
The concept of a “painter who paints the future” is not able to be copyrighted. If Tim or anyone else wants to make a show about it, they can do so, and they can do it legally. If Tim wants to create a show about a group of 6 friends living in NYC together (”Friends”), a group of buddies and the bar they frequent (”Cheers”), a crime scene drama that uses evidence in-depth (CSI), etc…he can do so. Is it original? YES, IT IS. He’s creating his own characters, own relationships, own story lines that evolve, etc. That’s the originality, and it’s not copyright infringement.
OH, wait…OMG! OMG! ABC made a drama about the doctors that work at a hospital and their relationships and lives trials (”Grey’s Anatomy”). The creators of E.R. should sue! Oh wait…THEY CAN’T.
I guess in your eyes every pop star is violating copyright law and “stealing others work” when they sing about their failed relationships or the love of their life, or every country star is making money off another when they sing about drinking and their wives leaving them, or every rapper is a “thief” for singing about money, women, etc.
Get a grip and get a clue. If anyone is trying to make money off others, it’s people like you trying to make documentaries about people and things you have/had no involvement in, trying to bank off the popularity of the show for your own personal interest and gain.