This is one of those times. And I’ll up the ante of a dozen roses and twelve pounds of nuts to also include washing her car and doing her landscaping work for a year if I’m wrong. But it’s over. I could see a direct to DVD movie a la what Stargate: SG1 did with “Ark of the Truth”. BTW, I haven’t been pimping that DVD on our site largely because it wasn’t very good. I mean it was OK, and it was good to see the first team in action again, and it was nice to get closure on the story, but it wasn’t very good.
Ok, back to Jericho. It’s not coming back. The fat lady has sung, only Carol Barbee must have in the earplugs or, she’s like me and has her iPod earbuds in at all times and is effectively saying to the world, “La la la la la, I’m not listening to you!” Sometimes that’s a pretty grand thing to do. Thank you, Steve Jobs! Best earbuds ever. Just the generic ones that come with the iPod and the iPhone – none of the “cost extra” stuff, even the ones sold by Apple are better in my estimation.
It could well be that in 10 years from now, Barbee will still be saying, “we’re looking at doing something….” But just because you declare something isn’t over doesn’t mean it isn’t. Combing the net and making a few phone calls it would seem that apparently the budget for Jericho was about twice that of your average show being made on the SciFi channel. I would be much more optimistic if it had been 25% more expensive or even 50%, but when you get to the 100% level, that’s not good.
It would be different if it started on the SciFi channel at half the budget and then migrated to broadcast – that’s a whole lot easier to pull off.
While I am perhaps not the “average” Jericho fan, I don’t think I’m alone in thinking that if Skeet Ulrich and Lennie James aren’t part of the ensemble, I won’t be watching no matter where they put the show. I’d prefer it if they could keep Esai Morales as well – I liked the Beck character a lot.
And here’s where the problem comes in. The show has been cancelled. No new deal has been done.
What’s bound to happen soon: Lennie James, Esai Morales, and Skeet Ulrich are going to get, you guessed it, JOB OFFERS. Because they’re good actors. I think Brad Beyer and Alicia Coppola (no relation to Francis Ford Coppola, so she’s not getting props simply because GF1 and GF2 are like my favorite movies of all time) were great, too.
Skeet, Lennie , Esai, Brad, Alicia and all the rest of the cast: they can’t exist on the nuts fans will send them. They have to eat, and live, and they like their craft I imagine. Especially in the cases of Esai, Lennie and Skeet, they’re not going to want to take a huge pay cut. And if they’re cut out of the show altogether? There is no show.
One thing that is absolutely, definitely, one hundred percent NOT going to happen is for Jericho to move to the CW. I know I myself pitched that a while back, but it’s not happening. CBS has operational control over the CW (and Warner, although it gave CBS this control is now not happy about it apparently). CBS called “game over” for Jericho. If it was going to wind up on the C-dub, they’d have aired the cliffhanger and then announced with the ‘voice of God’, “Catch an all new Jericho next fall on the CW!” That’s not what happened though. What happened is CBS cancelled the show altogether. The CW is not happening for Jericho.
I don’t believe the SciFi channel, or any other network will either. I understand that like the fans, Carol Barbee wishes this were not the case. I don’t blame her. But as Patrick Stewart once uttered in the role of Jean-Luc Picard, “Wishing for a thing does not make it so.”
To stay with the Jean-Luc theme, resistance is futile. Jericho, sad as it is. Is over. Even though Barbee hasn’t copped to that yet.
Ms. Barbee, if it turns out I’m wrong, in another incarnation I spent 7 years working on a golf course. I’m pretty good with a lawnmower.
For fans who don’t care that wishing for a thing doesn’t make it so, you can join Carol Barbee in her wishful thinking by listening to her interview with Shaun Daily on Blog Talk Radio.
Farewell, Jericho, you will be missed! But it’s over. It won’t break my heart to be wrong here, even if it means I’m going to have to redevelop calloused hands. But, obviously, I don’t think I’m wrong.
But as Gorman loves to say, “Often wrong, never in doubt…” I do live up to that pretty well, and will be the first to admit that as much as I love speculating and prognosticating, and as often as I am right…often right isn’t always right. But I feel strongly enough that I’m willing to risk the flowers, nuts, car washing and landscaping services.
So what is your problem? EVeryone knows its a slim chance, but if Paramount IS still talking its not a done deal. Do you just enjoy p*ssing in Wheaties in the mornings?
So what is your problem? EVeryone knows its a slim chance, but if Paramount IS still talking its not a done deal. Do you just enjoy p*ssing in Wheaties in the mornings?
I enjoy prognosticating and being right. If I am wrong here, I will be delighted.
But, I’m not wrong. Yet.
I enjoy prognosticating and being right. If I am wrong here, I will be delighted.
But, I'm not wrong. Yet.
My point is you seem to DELIGHT in going to extra lengths to just rub the noses of anyone who believes this could have a chance in mud. It’s just sad and while I think some of your site is interesting, I guess I’ll vacate now. I see all I do is give you fodder to take pot shots at anyone who isn’t some buddy.
My point is you seem to DELIGHT in going to extra lengths to just rub the noses of anyone who believes this could have a chance in mud. It's just sad and while I think some of your site is interesting, I guess I'll vacate now. I see all I do is give you fodder to take pot shots at anyone who isn't some buddy.
KIC, you’re of course free to do whatever you want, including starting your own blog where you do nothing but focus on how wrong I am.
I’m writing about it because it’s of topical interest right now. Short of “new news”, which aside from the availability of the unaired cliffhanger I doubt will be forthcoming, the above is likely my LAST post ever about Jericho.
KIC, you're of course free to do whatever you want, including starting your own blog where you do nothing but focus on how wrong I am.
I'm writing about it because it's of topical interest right now. Short of “new news”, which aside from the availability of the unaired cliffhanger I doubt will be forthcoming, the above is likely my LAST post ever about Jericho.
MSM still doesn’t get it. It is not a “Carol Barbee wish”. It is a 6 million viewer demand.
Some viewers are no longer passive sheep content to consume whatever the network decides to shovel out. Paramount knows this, which is why they are actively shopping Jericho. And as far as cable budgets, Jericho and its current acting staff can survive quite well on a “Battlestar Galatica” type payroll.
Robert, you are not really dissing Carol here, but the millions of fans that brought back Jericho once already, through sheer force of collective will. I hope that you have sponges and towels ready, because that’s a LOT of cars to wash.
And a quick note: You DID get the Star Trek quote right. But you got the ending wrong. You might want to rewatch that episode again
MSM still doesn't get it. It is not a “Carol Barbee wish”. It is a 6 million viewer demand.
Some viewers are no longer passive sheep content to consume whatever the network decides to shovel out. Paramount knows this, which is why they are actively shopping Jericho. And as far as cable budgets, Jericho and its current acting staff can survive quite well on a “Battlestar Galatica” type payroll.
Robert, you are not really dissing Carol here, but the millions of fans that brought back Jericho once already, through sheer force of collective will. I hope that you have sponges and towels ready, because that's a LOT of cars to wash.
And a quick note: You DID get the Star Trek quote right. But you got the ending wrong. You might want to rewatch that episode again
Dwcarless: I submit that millions of fans did not bring back Jericho, but rather “tens of thousands” of very loyal fans. It seems the season one DVD did not sell even a million copies but I can’t validate those numbers with a reliable source so like everything else above that is speculation.
I’m ripe to rewatch TNG though…good call!
P.S. you think of this blog as MSM?!
Dwcarless: I submit that millions of fans did not bring back Jericho, but rather “tens of thousands” of very loyal fans. It seems the season one DVD did not sell even a million copies but I can't validate those numbers with a reliable source so like everything else above that is speculation.
I'm ripe to rewatch TNG though…good call!
P.S. you think of this blog as MSM?!
So the non-switch to the CW or Sci-Fi comes down to some idiot’s ego at CBS? “I killed this show and IT WILL stay dead?” Not a single one of them ever took a business theory class, did they?
“Often wrong, never in doubt…”
Ha – I have a similar thought stitched on a pillow. An astrologer friend gave it to me for being born in February.
So the non-switch to the CW or Sci-Fi comes down to some idiot's ego at CBS? “I killed this show and IT WILL stay dead?” Not a single one of them ever took a business theory class, did they?
“Often wrong, never in doubt…”
Ha – I have a similar thought stitched on a pillow. An astrologer friend gave it to me for being born in February.
Laine, in the case of CBS that might be the case (if they wanted it to be on the CW, they could have made that happen). Keep in mind though the CW is focusing on the 18-34 (particularly female) demo and they might not have seen it as a good fit.
If SciFi wants to do the show, I don’t think it’s about egos. My rationale (wrong or not) for thinking it won’t wind up on SciFi comes down to $$ not egos.
Laine, in the case of CBS that might be the case (if they wanted it to be on the CW, they could have made that happen). Keep in mind though the CW is focusing on the 18-34 (particularly female) demo and they might not have seen it as a good fit.
If SciFi wants to do the show, I don't think it's about egos. My rationale (wrong or not) for thinking it won't wind up on SciFi comes down to $$ not egos.
Do you believe in Hope at all?
Do you believe in Hope at all?
Since when did maybe 2000 hardcore fans become 6 million? Do these fans really believe that all 6 million viewers will boycott CBS or even really have a problem with the show being canceled? There’s much more to life than TV, really. I am one of the 6 million fans, but it was just entertainment. I’ll watch something else now instead, whether it’s on CBS or cable. I’m really enjoying that new John Adams mini-series on HBO.
Since when did maybe 2000 hardcore fans become 6 million? Do these fans really believe that all 6 million viewers will boycott CBS or even really have a problem with the show being canceled? There's much more to life than TV, really. I am one of the 6 million fans, but it was just entertainment. I'll watch something else now instead, whether it's on CBS or cable. I'm really enjoying that new John Adams mini-series on HBO.
Erm. I understand you enjoy prognosticating but do you really enjoy being right?
Erm. I understand you enjoy prognosticating but do you really enjoy being right?
It’s stupid to hope, but I’m still hanging on. I’ve made my peace with Jericho being canceled, but if there is even the slimist chance of it coming, I’ll do what I can to help.
That said. Without Lennie, Skeet, Brad and Alicia you’re right–this isn’t Jericho anymore. I’m not sure what Jericho could do to cut their budget beyond paycuts.
It's stupid to hope, but I'm still hanging on. I've made my peace with Jericho being canceled, but if there is even the slimist chance of it coming, I'll do what I can to help.
That said. Without Lennie, Skeet, Brad and Alicia you're right–this isn't Jericho anymore. I'm not sure what Jericho could do to cut their budget beyond paycuts.
Jerichofan12: I believe in hope in a spiritual way, very much. But when it comes to forecasting and tea-leaf reading, “Hope” is but a four letter word. Many people woke up this morning hoping that the NASDAQ would go up, but “Hope” is not a good basis to make a decision abuot whether or not to buy the QQQQ.
Kramer — I’m waiting until JA is done and then I’ll binge on it all at once.
Aurelius: I enjoy thinking and figuring stuff out, and to that end, I much more enjoy being right about my thinking than wrong.
and just to tack on. I’m not bashing Jericho. If Terminator: TSCC had 6 million viewers and a 1.9 in the 18-49 demo, I would be writing that FOX should cancel it, as much as I love the show, and as much as I am infatuated with Lena Headey and Summer Glau!
Jerichofan12: I believe in hope in a spiritual way, very much. But when it comes to forecasting and tea-leaf reading, “Hope” is but a four letter word. Many people woke up this morning hoping that the NASDAQ would go up, but “Hope” is not a good basis to make a decision abuot whether or not to buy the QQQQ.
Kramer — I'm waiting until JA is done and then I'll binge on it all at once.
Aurelius: I enjoy thinking and figuring stuff out, and to that end, I much more enjoy being right about my thinking than wrong.
and just to tack on. I'm not bashing Jericho. If Terminator: TSCC had 6 million viewers and a 1.9 in the 18-49 demo, I would be writing that FOX should cancel it, as much as I love the show, and as much as I am infatuated with Lena Headey and Summer Glau!
I echo Danielle’s sentiment. I’ve made my peace with it and bitterness, after all, really doesn’t get you anywhere. However, I do still have hope that Sci-Fi can cut the budget (I really do wonder what the big budget is covering, except salaries…’cause it’s not as if the sets are all that stunning or anything.) and produce the show, given that the actual Nielsen viewer numbers would be a nice chunk for a cable network.
However, I still stand by my thanks to Robert for providing us with these numbers, first-off, every week, even before his regular posting…knowing how ontheedgeofourseats we were about them each time.
And, like Danielle, my letters are going out and my emails and my phone calls are being made…as I feel I need to do as a supporter. I hope that a deal can be made quickly, to avoid the loss of major characters, without whom…as you have said…the show will not BE Jericho.
I echo Danielle's sentiment. I've made my peace with it and bitterness, after all, really doesn't get you anywhere. However, I do still have hope that Sci-Fi can cut the budget (I really do wonder what the big budget is covering, except salaries…'cause it's not as if the sets are all that stunning or anything.) and produce the show, given that the actual Nielsen viewer numbers would be a nice chunk for a cable network.
However, I still stand by my thanks to Robert for providing us with these numbers, first-off, every week, even before his regular posting…knowing how ontheedgeofourseats we were about them each time.
And, like Danielle, my letters are going out and my emails and my phone calls are being made…as I feel I need to do as a supporter. I hope that a deal can be made quickly, to avoid the loss of major characters, without whom…as you have said…the show will not BE Jericho.
I guess: “hope for the best…prepare for the worst” pretty much sums it up.
I guess: “hope for the best…prepare for the worst” pretty much sums it up.
@ponytail: yep, it’s a good philosophy for everything. P.S. thanks for the kind words.
@ponytail: yep, it's a good philosophy for everything. P.S. thanks for the kind words.
Robert thats a pretty fair assessment of where things stand. Of course many will bash you for saying its over. There are still fans of INVASION still trying to bring that show back. A year from now there will still be JERICHO fans doing the same thing. SCI-FI was a good possibility at one time because they started airing reruns then as of March 28th, they are stopping the reruns not even bothering to air the last 5 episodes of Season 1. Then SCI-FI even moved Jericho from Monday to Friday a month ago yet their web page for Jericho still says Monday. Its pretty clear the ratings for the reruns were bad – otherwise they would have at least finished up the final 5 episodes. Season 2 wasnt nearly as good as Season 1 and 1/4 of its fans from Season 1 agreed and stopped watching. That pretty much put the nail in the coffin.
Robert thats a pretty fair assessment of where things stand. Of course many will bash you for saying its over. There are still fans of INVASION still trying to bring that show back. A year from now there will still be JERICHO fans doing the same thing. SCI-FI was a good possibility at one time because they started airing reruns then as of March 28th, they are stopping the reruns not even bothering to air the last 5 episodes of Season 1. Then SCI-FI even moved Jericho from Monday to Friday a month ago yet their web page for Jericho still says Monday. Its pretty clear the ratings for the reruns were bad – otherwise they would have at least finished up the final 5 episodes. Season 2 wasnt nearly as good as Season 1 and 1/4 of its fans from Season 1 agreed and stopped watching. That pretty much put the nail in the coffin.
Terminator SCC finished its first season with a 3.3 18-49 demo vs. 1.9 for Jericho. TSCCs key demo actually improved from around 2.5 to 3.3 in the last several episodes, that is why that one will probably get another shot.
Terminator SCC finished its first season with a 3.3 18-49 demo vs. 1.9 for Jericho. TSCCs key demo actually improved from around 2.5 to 3.3 in the last several episodes, that is why that one will probably get another shot.
I’m willing to go that TSCC will definitely get another shot. If I’m wrong, I may well lead the “Save Sarah Connor (and Summer Glau)” brigade myself!
I'm willing to go that TSCC will definitely get another shot. If I'm wrong, I may well lead the “Save Sarah Connor (and Summer Glau)” brigade myself!
Did someone say Terminator SCC?
I just love an early
Summer morning.
Did someone say Terminator SCC?
I just love an early
Summer morning.
So let me get this straight:
Scifi and Barbee are in talks.
But you say its over.
So, what do you know that Scifi and Barbee don’t, and why is your word gospel? Do you have a time machine or some form of clairvoyance?
I’ll wait for the fat lady to sing…
So let me get this straight:
Scifi and Barbee are in talks.
But you say its over.
So, what do you know that Scifi and Barbee don't, and why is your word gospel? Do you have a time machine or some form of clairvoyance?
I'll wait for the fat lady to sing…
Guess Who, SciFi will split the season to run the last 5 with the Season 2 7 giving them the lovely number of “12″ they like so much to run after BSG. Don’t jump to conclusions.
Guess Who, SciFi will split the season to run the last 5 with the Season 2 7 giving them the lovely number of “12″ they like so much to run after BSG. Don't jump to conclusions.
I don’t think anyone is saying anything is gospel and I think Robert wouldn’t mind eating his words in this instance. He’s making a prediction, that’s all.
I do hope he eats crow, but thats only so I can get some more of my show.
I don't think anyone is saying anything is gospel and I think Robert wouldn't mind eating his words in this instance. He's making a prediction, that's all.
I do hope he eats crow, but thats only so I can get some more of my show.
Oh Robert! You pot stirrer!! I hope you’re wrong, but we will know for sure by the end of May if not sooner. I believe the actor’s contracts expire around then. After that, it could only be a re-imagining, like a graphic novel or a complete re-casting.
Oh Robert! You pot stirrer!! I hope you're wrong, but we will know for sure by the end of May if not sooner. I believe the actor's contracts expire around then. After that, it could only be a re-imagining, like a graphic novel or a complete re-casting.
T:TSCC really deserves a second season. It only had the best numbers of all the mid-season scripted shows.
Currently a lock to win the season, Fox’s January-launched “Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles” remains the highest rated of the midseason scripted flock with an average of 10.8 million viewers and is likely to return next fall.
And that’s in addition to Summer being on the show. Which, taken on it’s own, should be enough of a reason for FOX to renew.
T:TSCC really deserves a second season. It only had the best numbers of all the mid-season scripted shows.
Currently a lock to win the season, Fox's January-launched “Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles” remains the highest rated of the midseason scripted flock with an average of 10.8 million viewers and is likely to return next fall.
And that's in addition to Summer being on the show. Which, taken on it's own, should be enough of a reason for FOX to renew.
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I hope a book comes out. I just want the story to be finished, don’t care how.
I hope a book comes out. I just want the story to be finished, don't care how.
Good graphic choice.
Good graphic choice.
I, too, have made my peace with the ending of Jericho and would do not want to watch it if Skeet and Lenny are not part of the cast.
If I lived through the abrupt ending of Freaks and Geeks, I can live through this. Last week I was mad and said that I would never watch CBS again, but they still have Criminal Minds and CSI…so I lied.
Honestly, I don’t think Jericho could have ever pulled in the numbers needed to surpass other shows on Tuesday night to stay on the air. As much as Barbee “wanted to give Jericho a chance,” the bar was set too high.
Thanks Jericho for some great shows that made me think.
I, too, have made my peace with the ending of Jericho and would do not want to watch it if Skeet and Lenny are not part of the cast.
If I lived through the abrupt ending of Freaks and Geeks, I can live through this. Last week I was mad and said that I would never watch CBS again, but they still have Criminal Minds and CSI…so I lied.
Honestly, I don't think Jericho could have ever pulled in the numbers needed to surpass other shows on Tuesday night to stay on the air. As much as Barbee “wanted to give Jericho a chance,” the bar was set too high.
Thanks Jericho for some great shows that made me think.
I have never posted a comment to you before. I realize that your job is to report television news and therefore Jericho and its fans, of which I am one, trying to bring the show back a second time is your business. Where I think you crossed the line is how you approached this piece. From somewhere you picked up that the shows fans were saying “It’s not over until Carol Barbee say’s it’s over”. You made a variant of this quote pivotal in you story and I find it really hard to believe you had no idea that would be inflammatory. That kind of reporting might endear you to some but it does nothing for your credibility as a serious news source.
I have never posted a comment to you before. I realize that your job is to report television news and therefore Jericho and its fans, of which I am one, trying to bring the show back a second time is your business. Where I think you crossed the line is how you approached this piece. From somewhere you picked up that the shows fans were saying “It's not over until Carol Barbee say's it's over”. You made a variant of this quote pivotal in you story and I find it really hard to believe you had no idea that would be inflammatory. That kind of reporting might endear you to some but it does nothing for your credibility as a serious news source.
WEll, as of two nights ago, cast was still enthusiastic. However, Carol could be obfuscating about that too I imagine will be the response. I agree if we don’t hear anything solid in the next month, I will feel it is not going to happen, as it will lose momentum, but there you go. As someone once said “It’s not false hope. It’s just hope.”
WEll, as of two nights ago, cast was still enthusiastic. However, Carol could be obfuscating about that too I imagine will be the response. I agree if we don't hear anything solid in the next month, I will feel it is not going to happen, as it will lose momentum, but there you go. As someone once said “It's not false hope. It's just hope.”
I’ll be disappointed if it doesn’t return, but it IS just TV and life goes on.
However, the SciFi Network themselves have actually asked fans to contact them showing interest, so it’s certainly not a done deal.
I'll be disappointed if it doesn't return, but it IS just TV and life goes on.
However, the SciFi Network themselves have actually asked fans to contact them showing interest, so it's certainly not a done deal.
@Teroricious: Anne Marie has correctly pegged me as a “pot-stirrer” and for that, I am as guilty as charged.
I believe you can take my analysis of numbers seriously, and to the degree that you care about the oncoming revolution where media will truly be liberated and you can watch whatever you want, wherever, you want, whenever you want that you should “trust” my seriousness.
While I seriously believe that Jericho is not coming back (at least not as episodic television), that is pure conjecture based on tea-leaf reading and as Danielle pointed out, I will be happy to eat crow if I am wrong. That is seriously my opinion, but yes, of course I knew that it would not go over well.
@Teroricious: Anne Marie has correctly pegged me as a “pot-stirrer” and for that, I am as guilty as charged.
I believe you can take my analysis of numbers seriously, and to the degree that you care about the oncoming revolution where media will truly be liberated and you can watch whatever you want, wherever, you want, whenever you want that you should “trust” my seriousness.
While I seriously believe that Jericho is not coming back (at least not as episodic television), that is pure conjecture based on tea-leaf reading and as Danielle pointed out, I will be happy to eat crow if I am wrong. That is seriously my opinion, but yes, of course I knew that it would not go over well.
Robert, I applaud your courage in staying true to your opinions, even if they run contrary to the Jericho faithful. I salute you. And I hope you are wrong! lol
Robert, I applaud your courage in staying true to your opinions, even if they run contrary to the Jericho faithful. I salute you. And I hope you are wrong! lol
Thank you David, I appreciate it. And thank all of you (even the haters!), you folks make this a lot of fun. And with that, I’m going to go to one of my favorite places (Crissy Field) which lucky for me is about a 15 minute walk away…
http://www.flickr.com/photos/seidman/2013409225
Thank you David, I appreciate it. And thank all of you (even the haters!), you folks make this a lot of fun. And with that, I'm going to go to one of my favorite places (Crissy Field) which lucky for me is about a 15 minute walk away…
http://www.flickr.com/photos/seidman/2013409225
By the way, Robert. I assume you’ve been doing this for a long time. Has there ever been a show that had the, uh, type of fans that Jericho has? I mean, hoping against hope, seeing conspiracies where there aren’t any, etc, all because they’d rather die than lose their show? Just curious…
By the way, Robert. I assume you've been doing this for a long time. Has there ever been a show that had the, uh, type of fans that Jericho has? I mean, hoping against hope, seeing conspiracies where there aren't any, etc, all because they'd rather die than lose their show? Just curious…
I think it amuses Robert to get all us Jericho fans up in arms.
I think it amuses Robert to get all us Jericho fans up in arms.
@Danielle, it doesn’t bring me joy to offend anyone or hurt anyone’s feelings. I don’t mind people disagreeing with me though and I’m not manufacturing opinions to rabble rouse, they happen to really be my opinions!
@David — watching tv a LONG time (if all my life is a long time). But writing about TV is new for Bill and me. The site really was born out of one of our regular lunches that have been going on for quite a few years now (see the “about” section in the site nav). Now..off to the beach
@Danielle, it doesn't bring me joy to offend anyone or hurt anyone's feelings. I don't mind people disagreeing with me though and I'm not manufacturing opinions to rabble rouse, they happen to really be my opinions!
@David — watching tv a LONG time (if all my life is a long time). But writing about TV is new for Bill and me. The site really was born out of one of our regular lunches that have been going on for quite a few years now (see the “about” section in the site nav). Now..off to the beach
I respect your opinion and you good work on the site.
I still stick to the Carol Barbee will let us know when it is impossible.
Ya I can see you saying its highly doubtful next to impossible but I trust Carol to be upfront and honest and that is what she has been through the whole thing.
If she’s dreaming then we are on for the ride to i guess
I respect your opinion and you good work on the site.
I still stick to the Carol Barbee will let us know when it is impossible.
Ya I can see you saying its highly doubtful next to impossible but I trust Carol to be upfront and honest and that is what she has been through the whole thing.
If she's dreaming then we are on for the ride to i guess
what makes this guy a so called expert? today with the internet, everyone acts like they are an expert. This guy has no idea what he is talking about.
what makes this guy a so called expert? today with the internet, everyone acts like they are an expert. This guy has no idea what he is talking about.
@Robert: I think you misspelled your intended misspelling of my last name. But you should have changed it from Seamen to “Anonymous Coward” since that’s what you are. No need for any expertise in figuring that out.
I never called myself an expert (and still don’t!). I believe I’m as right about this as I was about calling CBS’ cancelling Jericho based on the season 2 premiere numbers — but that didn’t require any real expertise either.
@Jerichofan – thank you, and I really do hope your dream comes true.
@Robert: I think you misspelled your intended misspelling of my last name. But you should have changed it from Seamen to “Anonymous Coward” since that's what you are. No need for any expertise in figuring that out.
I never called myself an expert (and still don't!). I believe I'm as right about this as I was about calling CBS' cancelling Jericho based on the season 2 premiere numbers — but that didn't require any real expertise either.
@Jerichofan – thank you, and I really do hope your dream comes true.
Robert,
I am a huge Jericho fan and don’t share your opinion that the show is finished, but do appreciate the fact that you are willing to “mix it up” with your detractors. How much of the cancellation had to do with the fact that the networks can’t properly value DVD, DVR, iTunes and web #’s? As many have said, regardless of what happens with Jericho, one of its legacies will be how these new mediums must be included in evaluating a show.
Robert,
I am a huge Jericho fan and don't share your opinion that the show is finished, but do appreciate the fact that you are willing to “mix it up” with your detractors. How much of the cancellation had to do with the fact that the networks can't properly value DVD, DVR, iTunes and web #'s? As many have said, regardless of what happens with Jericho, one of its legacies will be how these new mediums must be included in evaluating a show.
Steve, thanks. My opinion is that it had nothing to do with CBS’ inability to value DVD, DVR and iTunes/unbox sales and web numbers properly. Unlike me, CBS has all of that actual data (well we have the DVR data, but otherwise…). With the DVR stuff Jericho had pretty good numbers but even adding them in, it wasn’t enough to save the show.
In the case of DVD and iTunes revenue, from what i gather (unverified, couldn’t get good numbers for either) it was peanuts. But there are fairly reliable sources for weekly DVD sales, and Jericho never made any of those charts sadly.
Steve, thanks. My opinion is that it had nothing to do with CBS' inability to value DVD, DVR and iTunes/unbox sales and web numbers properly. Unlike me, CBS has all of that actual data (well we have the DVR data, but otherwise…). With the DVR stuff Jericho had pretty good numbers but even adding them in, it wasn't enough to save the show.
In the case of DVD and iTunes revenue, from what i gather (unverified, couldn't get good numbers for either) it was peanuts. But there are fairly reliable sources for weekly DVD sales, and Jericho never made any of those charts sadly.
Hey, this guy is giving the ratings breakdown and is giving an objective view. He also took the time and effort to watch every single episode so at least knows what he’s talking about. Some people I know just look at the numbers and say the show is stupid or not good enough because it doesn’t attract viewers. I’ve also been burned in the past with cancelled shows so I think I have an idea of what you fans are feeling. I completely share Robert’s opinion on this matter and I also thought the second season was good. Especially the finale.
When Firefly got cancelled at least they got the movie Serenity. Although it tanked it added so much to the story and we got some legendary fight sequences thanks to a certain little lady who’s name I don’t even have to mention. I hope you guys get something similar in the future.
Hey, this guy is giving the ratings breakdown and is giving an objective view. He also took the time and effort to watch every single episode so at least knows what he's talking about. Some people I know just look at the numbers and say the show is stupid or not good enough because it doesn't attract viewers. I've also been burned in the past with cancelled shows so I think I have an idea of what you fans are feeling. I completely share Robert's opinion on this matter and I also thought the second season was good. Especially the finale.
When Firefly got cancelled at least they got the movie Serenity. Although it tanked it added so much to the story and we got some legendary fight sequences thanks to a certain little lady who's name I don't even have to mention. I hope you guys get something similar in the future.
I really do appreciate that Robert watched all the shows actually. I still hope that this blog entry is wrong and Jericho proves you can make history more than once.
I really do appreciate that Robert watched all the shows actually. I still hope that this blog entry is wrong and Jericho proves you can make history more than once.
As we all know, money talks. Part of the problem with Jericho is not the budget for special effects. After all, it couldn’t cost that much to do some of the explosions we saw. The problem lies within the casting of the characters.
When you have big names like Pamela Reed and Gerald McRaney, regardless of their age, of course their salaries are going to be high. Combine them with Skeet Ulrich and Esai Morales and you can only imagine what it must cost to keep them. The rest of the cast is relatively unknown, except for Ashley Scott from Birds of Prey, as well as D.B. Sweeney.
I’m not trying to attack the actors, but a lot of this boils down to celebrity ego, who’s getting what and who’s not. The only reason Pamela and Gerald were let go was because it COST too much to keep them in every episode.
I think part of Robert’s post is to point this out. I’m not saying you don’t need a couple big names to headline a show, but I think Jericho was a bit ambitious (and dare I say it, pretentious) with their casting choices.
It would’ve been wiser for them to try and go with an unknown cast because they would’ve saved even more money. Thus, keeping costs lower. Part of the reason some shows survive is not because of how many viewers it gets or how big the effects are, it’s cost. CBS will probably order another season of Moonlight not because it’s the best show on television, but because they don’t have so much money invested in it as there was for Jericho.
Money was a major factor in CBS’ decision.
I can be objective. This is the same person that made a remark about Julie Chen and Les Moonves (and how it’s not just business), which never got published for some reason.
With that said, I would still love to see it come back, if ever, because it really was one of those shows that was about standing up for what you believe in.
As we all know, money talks. Part of the problem with Jericho is not the budget for special effects. After all, it couldn't cost that much to do some of the explosions we saw. The problem lies within the casting of the characters.
When you have big names like Pamela Reed and Gerald McRaney, regardless of their age, of course their salaries are going to be high. Combine them with Skeet Ulrich and Esai Morales and you can only imagine what it must cost to keep them. The rest of the cast is relatively unknown, except for Ashley Scott from Birds of Prey, as well as D.B. Sweeney.
I'm not trying to attack the actors, but a lot of this boils down to celebrity ego, who's getting what and who's not. The only reason Pamela and Gerald were let go was because it COST too much to keep them in every episode.
I think part of Robert's post is to point this out. I'm not saying you don't need a couple big names to headline a show, but I think Jericho was a bit ambitious (and dare I say it, pretentious) with their casting choices.
It would've been wiser for them to try and go with an unknown cast because they would've saved even more money. Thus, keeping costs lower. Part of the reason some shows survive is not because of how many viewers it gets or how big the effects are, it's cost. CBS will probably order another season of Moonlight not because it's the best show on television, but because they don't have so much money invested in it as there was for Jericho.
Money was a major factor in CBS' decision.
I can be objective. This is the same person that made a remark about Julie Chen and Les Moonves (and how it's not just business), which never got published for some reason.
With that said, I would still love to see it come back, if ever, because it really was one of those shows that was about standing up for what you believe in.
As much as I hate to say it, I believe you are right. I love Jericho but I think it is over.
As much as I hate to say it, I believe you are right. I love Jericho but I think it is over.
Yeah, I’m one of those Jericho rangers who say “never say never.” I’ll continue to fight for a quality tv show. Hey, which beach are you on? If you’re in south Florida I’d make a point to kick sand on you!! Just kidding! I enjoy your remarks however skewed they may be.
Yeah, I'm one of those Jericho rangers who say “never say never.” I'll continue to fight for a quality tv show. Hey, which beach are you on? If you're in south Florida I'd make a point to kick sand on you!! Just kidding! I enjoy your remarks however skewed they may be.
I can’t understand why this is an expensive show to film.
I can't understand why this is an expensive show to film.
Jericho is expensive *relative to the rest of the lineup.* Unscripted shows don’t need teams of writers, editors, and so forth – they need a small crew to string together the various events into a coherent narrative, but they don’t need the kind of writing that a scripted show does. Actors are more expensive than getting some jerkwads off the street to come in for a couple grand and a shot at a new car. You just need *more stuff,* relative to an unscripted show. Jericho may cost less than CSI or NCIS, but those also brought in waaaaaay more viewers.
Jericho is expensive *relative to the rest of the lineup.* Unscripted shows don't need teams of writers, editors, and so forth – they need a small crew to string together the various events into a coherent narrative, but they don't need the kind of writing that a scripted show does. Actors are more expensive than getting some jerkwads off the street to come in for a couple grand and a shot at a new car. You just need *more stuff,* relative to an unscripted show. Jericho may cost less than CSI or NCIS, but those also brought in waaaaaay more viewers.
ALL RANGERS HEAD OVER TO THE JERICHO FORUM AT SCIFI.SIGN IN SIGN UP.SCIFI DOES WANT TO HEAR FROM US.THERE IS STILL A CHANCE.
ALL RANGERS HEAD OVER TO THE JERICHO FORUM AT SCIFI.SIGN IN SIGN UP.SCIFI DOES WANT TO HEAR FROM US.THERE IS STILL A CHANCE.
I don’t really know anything about budgeting, or if it’d be a good move for the network, but I think Jericho would fit in nicely on TNT with the Closer and Saving Grace.
Is that something that could be possible?
I don't really know anything about budgeting, or if it'd be a good move for the network, but I think Jericho would fit in nicely on TNT with the Closer and Saving Grace.
Is that something that could be possible?
You all can sign the petition to bring Jericho to Sci-Fi at this website-
http://www.petitiononline.com/saveJeri/petition.html
I also went to Sci-Fi channel’s website and sent them an email through their feedback link at the bottom of the page. Anything we do might help!
—mike—
You all can sign the petition to bring Jericho to Sci-Fi at this website-
http://www.petitiononline.com/saveJeri/petition...
I also went to Sci-Fi channel's website and sent them an email through their feedback link at the bottom of the page. Anything we do might help!
—mike—
I dont think any network is going to drop 20 million on a show that doesnt bring in enough viewers to justify that sort of expense. You would need to have just about every Ipod user in the US to makeup for lost ad revenue (since Itunes doesnt show ads).
I dont think any network is going to drop 20 million on a show that doesnt bring in enough viewers to justify that sort of expense. You would need to have just about every Ipod user in the US to makeup for lost ad revenue (since Itunes doesnt show ads).
Gerald McRaney was wonderful in JERICHO and the main reason I watched the show.
I think hiring him was a very good idea.
He was greatly missed in season 2.
Gerald McRaney was wonderful in JERICHO and the main reason I watched the show.
I think hiring him was a very good idea.
He was greatly missed in season 2.
I tend to agree with Robert. I think the show is dead this time, and hold little hope that it will return again. If I’m wrong (and really hope I am) I’ll bring the hedge trimmer.
My wife and I have determined that any show that Skeet is in will be well worth watching and doomed for cancellation. Miracles anyone?
I tend to agree with Robert. I think the show is dead this time, and hold little hope that it will return again. If I'm wrong (and really hope I am) I'll bring the hedge trimmer.
My wife and I have determined that any show that Skeet is in will be well worth watching and doomed for cancellation. Miracles anyone?
It’s not over. Too many fans who won’t stop working to bring it happen will not allow this to be the end.
It's not over. Too many fans who won't stop working to bring it happen will not allow this to be the end.
@ Robert
“I enjoy prognosticating and being right.”
You’re boring.
@ Robert
“I enjoy prognosticating and being right.”
You're boring.
@ Robert
It’s people like you that start blog wars. Loyal Jericho fans are smart enough to sense that bull**** and ignore you like me which is why I’m keeping my comment short and simple to save myself time and anger(that you seem to hope to get out of these loyal Jericho fans) and to let all you know there will be a season 3 of Jericho!
@ Robert
It's people like you that start blog wars. Loyal Jericho fans are smart enough to sense that bull**** and ignore you like me which is why I'm keeping my comment short and simple to save myself time and anger(that you seem to hope to get out of these loyal Jericho fans) and to let all you know there will be a season 3 of Jericho!