I’m gonna go cold turkey after this. I wouldn’t even write this except for getting an e-mail message about one of the comments I’d made on a Jericho post, where I said a part of me thinks Carol Barbee’s actions are completely reprehensible. That generated one very thoughtful response in e-mail.
The e-mail I received was basically a very nice way of asking me, how and why I could say such a thing about Ms. Barbee. Here is my response.
I’m usually OK with speculating (obviously), and sometimes – sometimes, I’m OK with just completely pulling stuff out of my…thin air. But not when it comes to talking about shows and the people who love them. I know it will shock you with as much of a misanthrope as I can be that I actually care about people.
It seemed to me that if I wanted to write about Jericho what would be right was to actually watch Jericho. I made it through about the first 3/4th of season one, before conking out because for me, the pace was just to slow. But then with encouragement from fans that the pace quickened pretty much right where I stopped, I finished them up. I did enjoy the remainder of the episodes as well as season two. So I’m writing this as someone who has seen every episode of Jericho (and I watched the finale twice!).
I also read whatever I could, followed the discussions on the CBS Jericho forum and have been following the discussions as they’ve migrated to SciFi. To call the regulars of these forums passionate and determined is an understatement that doesn’t give them nearly enough credit. Not nearly enough. And heck, I don’t blame them really because they did something practically impossible – they brought a show back from the dead pool. It’s a very, very impressive thing that the Jericho fans were able to pull off and I will not fault them for the spirit of “we did it before, we can do it again!” I’d say, “no way, will they do it again,” [and certainly have indeed said that] but in fairness, I would’ve said “no way!” that they could’ve done it last time. But they did.
But there’s a problem and there’s a reason why I am judging Ms. Barbee’s character harshly and find her actions reprehensible and at least a little cruel: Ms. Barbee has all the data. She knows all, when it comes to Jericho. Including what is going on in the CBS and SciFi discussion boards.
UPDATE: I have received two messages that Schumi07 referenced here is not leading the chage and although did post one of the messages linked above, the charges are being led by GenPatton43 on the CBS Jericho Boards, by Mikesmom71 on JerichoNet2. I’m not going to change the original post, but wanted to set the record straight. And thanks to Steve W for a lot of info on the fan campaigns which is now at the bottom of this post.
There is very determined woman on the CBS boards who goes by the moniker of Schumi07.
Schumi seems to be leading the “what to do next” push, and Schumi did a little research and some back of the envelope number crunching and concluded with a million downloads a week of a Jericho episode off of iTunes, if CBS’ cut on the deal is 65%, 65% of $1.99 million= $1.3 million which would cover like 1/2 the production cost of a new episode. So Schumi’s logic is if you could get half of your show paid for like that, why wouldn’t you?
So she’s recommending a letter writing campaign letting CBS Paramount Network Television (not the broadcast network that aired Jericho, but the production/distribution company with the rights to the show) letting them know you downloaded the show via iTunes or Amazon’s Unbox and whether you’d pay for a DVD of a Jericho movie.
The thing is, if a million people were downloading new episodes of Jericho from the Internet at $1.99 per, this would be an exceptionally good case to make. The problem is there are nowhere near a million downloads a week on iTunes for Jericho. If it hits 10% of that I’d be surprised, but whatever it is, it’s very, very far south of one million purchases per new episode.
And Ms. Barbee of course knows this and this is why I made the “reprehensible” comment. The way I see it, a kind and compassionate Ms. Barbee would reach out to the fans right on the CBS site and say:
Fans, I love you for loving our show so much. We all really appreciate it and I’m trying to find a way to get the show made, somehow, someway. But sadly, we had nowhere near a million downloads of each new episode at $1.99, and anyone you write to, and anyone we’ll try to work with will know that, so again, sadly, that’s not the answer. Again, I tremendously appreciate your loyalty and passion about Jericho, and hope we’ll find a way to save it. But I wouldn’t want to give you any false hope that the show will be saved based on download revenues as based on the actual numbers, that doesn’t seem likely.
I’ll grant that there’s no real upside from Ms. Barbee’s perspective to post such a thing, even if I, Robert Seidman happen to think that would be the kind and compassionate way to treat the loyal fans. I don’t mind the notion of trying to give fans hope, but I do mind the notion of “false hope”, and when it comes to revenue based on Internet downloads, that’s all it is.
So Ms. Barbee is a lot more OK with letting the fans spin their wheels than I am. I understand it on one level. While I doubt any sort of a letter writing campaign will succeed this time around, if SciFi gets pummeled with a million letters, they will take notice. If they’re pummeled with 12,500 letters? Not so much. And sadly, as with iTunes downloads, the actual number of people who’ll mail a letter is far, far south of a million. Still, I’d go so far as to venture more people downloaded off of iTunes then will write a letter to get the show saved.
To Carol Barbee I say: shame on you! Shame on you for giving your fans false hope like that. Shame on you for letting them spin their wheels. Shame on you for not treating them with respect and compassion when they have been so, so loyal to you. Still, for all my “shame on you”, I absolutely do understand. And hope that for the fan’s sake you’re able to pull off a miracle and I wind up having to wash your car and cut your grass for a year.
A P.S. to Schumi, should she ever read this: I have a lot of respect for what you’re trying to do and how determined you are, and hope once again, against all odds, you’re able to pull off a miracle. Good luck!
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Here are all the Save Jericho initiatives in place as provided from Steve W. mentioned above:
Homebase – The New Save Jericho Campaign Thread
http://jerichoboard.cbs.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=CBSMBJericho&tid=25334
Thanks to Junction / Jericho Team (and how to help)
http://jerichoboard.cbs.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=CBSMBJericho&tid=25430
Postcards to CBS/Paramount for Jericho
http://jerichoboard.cbs.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=CBSMBJericho&tid=23833
Postcard Art for CBS Paramount
http://jerichoboard.cbs.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=CBSMBJericho&tid=25319
http://jerichoboard.cbs.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=CBSMBJericho&tid=24208
New Step – Media Interaction
http://jerichoboard.cbs.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=CBSMBJericho&tid=25427
International Media Contacts
http://www.jerichonet2.com/board/showthread.php?p=9646#post9646
National Media Contacts
http://www.jerichonet2.com/board/showthread.php?p=9649#post9649
I think WE started a war
http://jerichoboard.cbs.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=CBSMBJericho&tid=25011
Write to Nance Tellem at Paramount
http://www.jerichonet2.com/board/showthread.php?t=1170
Write to Sci Fi Channel (with sample letters)
http://www.jerichonet2.com/board/showthread.php?t=1071
Templates for Stationary, Labels & Postcards
http://www.jerichonet2.com/board/showthread.php?t=1161
Addresses: Paramount, Sci Fi, CW, Carol, Karim
http://www.jerichonet2.com/board/showthread.php?t=1170
Sci-Fi Poll (Must pick 5 from each category, write in Jericho as your 6th choice under TV)
http://www.scifi.com/visions/poll/index.html
If you sent letters/postcards to CBS/Paramount/Sci Fi Channel – tell us here
http://jerichoboard.cbs.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=CBSMBJericho&tid=25444
This is the sadest thing I have ever seen, I urge you to help us not make this your last post.
This is the sadest thing I have ever seen, I urge you to help us not make this your last post.
This is the sadest thing I have ever seen, I urge you to help us not make this your last post.
Joseph, if I had some kind of magic going on for me where I could figure out how to cut the production costs in half and keep Skeet, Lennie, Brad, Alicia et al, happy and have the show placed on SciFi, I would.
I don’t have that kind of rabbit to pull out of my hat though
I think for the most part at this point my posts are just upsetting the fans, not encouraging them and I don’t really think I have any more to say on the subject other than I still can’t wait to see the unaired cliffhanger.
Joseph, if I had some kind of magic going on for me where I could figure out how to cut the production costs in half and keep Skeet, Lennie, Brad, Alicia et al, happy and have the show placed on SciFi, I would.
I don't have that kind of rabbit to pull out of my hat though
I think for the most part at this point my posts are just upsetting the fans, not encouraging them and I don't really think I have any more to say on the subject other than I still can't wait to see the unaired cliffhanger.
Joseph, if I had some kind of magic going on for me where I could figure out how to cut the production costs in half and keep Skeet, Lennie, Brad, Alicia et al, happy and have the show placed on SciFi, I would.
I don't have that kind of rabbit to pull out of my hat though
I think for the most part at this point my posts are just upsetting the fans, not encouraging them and I don't really think I have any more to say on the subject other than I still can't wait to see the unaired cliffhanger.
I certainly hope this is your last post as I dont see what you are gaining from this.
I certainly hope this is your last post as I dont see what you are gaining from this.
I certainly hope this is your last post as I dont see what you are gaining from this.
Thanks Robert it’s not over yet read this
http://www.huliq.com/55275/jericho-fans-attack-nielsen-ratings-over-second-cancellation
There is also more then 12,000 signatures on a petition for Sci-Fi to pick Jericho up.
Still cant wait to see that cliffhanger
Thanks Robert it's not over yet read this
http://www.huliq.com/55275/jericho-fans-attack-...
There is also more then 12,000 signatures on a petition for Sci-Fi to pick Jericho up.
Still cant wait to see that cliffhanger
Thanks Robert it's not over yet read this
http://www.huliq.com/55275/jericho-fans-attack-...
There is also more then 12,000 signatures on a petition for Sci-Fi to pick Jericho up.
Still cant wait to see that cliffhanger
Has anyone ever seen a credible number for itunes downloads for any show? What numbers are we talking about?
If it really were breaching a million, it would be a huge deal. Unfortunately no one yet cares for things like it’s “number 1 on itunes this week”. The dreaded Nielsens still rule everything.
Has anyone ever seen a credible number for itunes downloads for any show? What numbers are we talking about?
If it really were breaching a million, it would be a huge deal. Unfortunately no one yet cares for things like it's “number 1 on itunes this week”. The dreaded Nielsens still rule everything.
Has anyone ever seen a credible number for itunes downloads for any show? What numbers are we talking about?
If it really were breaching a million, it would be a huge deal. Unfortunately no one yet cares for things like it's “number 1 on itunes this week”. The dreaded Nielsens still rule everything.
Everyone should understand that Robert is only doing his job, which is to get eyeballs to tvbynumbers.com. The more clicks on this site and its related links, the more money it makes and the greater its financial value. To this end, Robert is merely doing what any of you would do to achieve that goal. If I knew there was a rabid pack of Jericho fans who are mobilized to post comments, I’d try to rile them up as well, even if I didn’t agree with what I was writing. Because the only comments that matter are those that draw more eyeballs and clicks to a website. That said, Robert is also a good writer. Not a great one, but a good one. But heck, this isn’t Entertainment Weekly. It’s tvbythenumbers.com. So everyone, take a breath before responding with a comment. And applaud Robert for even writing about Jericho. If everyone stopped writing about it, the show would truly be dead.
Everyone should understand that Robert is only doing his job, which is to get eyeballs to tvbynumbers.com. The more clicks on this site and its related links, the more money it makes and the greater its financial value. To this end, Robert is merely doing what any of you would do to achieve that goal. If I knew there was a rabid pack of Jericho fans who are mobilized to post comments, I'd try to rile them up as well, even if I didn't agree with what I was writing. Because the only comments that matter are those that draw more eyeballs and clicks to a website. That said, Robert is also a good writer. Not a great one, but a good one. But heck, this isn't Entertainment Weekly. It's tvbythenumbers.com. So everyone, take a breath before responding with a comment. And applaud Robert for even writing about Jericho. If everyone stopped writing about it, the show would truly be dead.
Everyone should understand that Robert is only doing his job, which is to get eyeballs to tvbynumbers.com. The more clicks on this site and its related links, the more money it makes and the greater its financial value. To this end, Robert is merely doing what any of you would do to achieve that goal. If I knew there was a rabid pack of Jericho fans who are mobilized to post comments, I'd try to rile them up as well, even if I didn't agree with what I was writing. Because the only comments that matter are those that draw more eyeballs and clicks to a website. That said, Robert is also a good writer. Not a great one, but a good one. But heck, this isn't Entertainment Weekly. It's tvbythenumbers.com. So everyone, take a breath before responding with a comment. And applaud Robert for even writing about Jericho. If everyone stopped writing about it, the show would truly be dead.
@Jason, if nothing else it served to gain an understanding from Joseph of why I won’t likely write another post
@Raijin, I have from credible sources (more than one) that it doesn’t take even 10,000 downloads of a show to put it among the iTunes top TV shows downloaded.
If there were even 250,000 weekly downloads of new episodes generating $500K in gross revenue on a regular basis, CBS would’ve issued press releases about it on a regular basis. And I’d agree even that would be a pretty big deal and at a million a HUGE deal.
The world is changing, but for sure right now most of the world still prefers to watch TV in their living rooms — even if I did watch most of Jericho Season One on my iPhone.
and for the record, I bought season one from iTunes ($29.99) so I definitely “gave to the cause”.
@Jason, if nothing else it served to gain an understanding from Joseph of why I won't likely write another post
@Raijin, I have from credible sources (more than one) that it doesn't take even 10,000 downloads of a show to put it among the iTunes top TV shows downloaded.
If there were even 250,000 weekly downloads of new episodes generating $500K in gross revenue on a regular basis, CBS would've issued press releases about it on a regular basis. And I'd agree even that would be a pretty big deal and at a million a HUGE deal.
The world is changing, but for sure right now most of the world still prefers to watch TV in their living rooms — even if I did watch most of Jericho Season One on my iPhone.
and for the record, I bought season one from iTunes ($29.99) so I definitely “gave to the cause”.
@Jason, if nothing else it served to gain an understanding from Joseph of why I won't likely write another post
@Raijin, I have from credible sources (more than one) that it doesn't take even 10,000 downloads of a show to put it among the iTunes top TV shows downloaded.
If there were even 250,000 weekly downloads of new episodes generating $500K in gross revenue on a regular basis, CBS would've issued press releases about it on a regular basis. And I'd agree even that would be a pretty big deal and at a million a HUGE deal.
The world is changing, but for sure right now most of the world still prefers to watch TV in their living rooms — even if I did watch most of Jericho Season One on my iPhone.
and for the record, I bought season one from iTunes ($29.99) so I definitely “gave to the cause”.
@plasmatron, thank you. I agree with your comments almost accross the board (including your critique of my writing). I think I bring some perspective, but I definitely don’t think my writing is great. Hopefully my thinking is useful to some though.
While it’s true beyond any question we’re trying to build traffic to our site, I won’t do it at any or all expense. I’m not making stuff up just to generate traffic, though it probably doesn’t hurt that some of what I really think is “controversial” among the Jericho faithful.
For the time being we’re not in this for the money. We have no ads on the site other than the links to DVDs on Amazon, and that’s just an experiment to see..what happens. What happened is we sold 3 DVDs (2 Jericho’s and one 3 season set of The Wire) generating $9.20 for TVbytheNumbers.Com in two weeks, just about enough for a six-pack of premium beer.
not nearly enough to cover mine or Bill’s NCAA pool losses though. We were both crushed by Davidson (me with Georgetown, Bill with Wisconsin). I am now rooting for Davidson to win it all!
@plasmatron, thank you. I agree with your comments almost accross the board (including your critique of my writing). I think I bring some perspective, but I definitely don't think my writing is great. Hopefully my thinking is useful to some though.
While it's true beyond any question we're trying to build traffic to our site, I won't do it at any or all expense. I'm not making stuff up just to generate traffic, though it probably doesn't hurt that some of what I really think is “controversial” among the Jericho faithful.
For the time being we're not in this for the money. We have no ads on the site other than the links to DVDs on Amazon, and that's just an experiment to see..what happens. What happened is we sold 3 DVDs (2 Jericho's and one 3 season set of The Wire) generating $9.20 for TVbytheNumbers.Com in two weeks, just about enough for a six-pack of premium beer.
not nearly enough to cover mine or Bill's NCAA pool losses though. We were both crushed by Davidson (me with Georgetown, Bill with Wisconsin). I am now rooting for Davidson to win it all!
@plasmatron, thank you. I agree with your comments almost accross the board (including your critique of my writing). I think I bring some perspective, but I definitely don't think my writing is great. Hopefully my thinking is useful to some though.
While it's true beyond any question we're trying to build traffic to our site, I won't do it at any or all expense. I'm not making stuff up just to generate traffic, though it probably doesn't hurt that some of what I really think is “controversial” among the Jericho faithful.
For the time being we're not in this for the money. We have no ads on the site other than the links to DVDs on Amazon, and that's just an experiment to see..what happens. What happened is we sold 3 DVDs (2 Jericho's and one 3 season set of The Wire) generating $9.20 for TVbytheNumbers.Com in two weeks, just about enough for a six-pack of premium beer.
not nearly enough to cover mine or Bill's NCAA pool losses though. We were both crushed by Davidson (me with Georgetown, Bill with Wisconsin). I am now rooting for Davidson to win it all!
Robert I couldn’t resist. I live less than 3 miles from the Davidson campus here in the beuatiful Lake Norman area of Charlotte proper. Go Cats!
Robert I couldn't resist. I live less than 3 miles from the Davidson campus here in the beuatiful Lake Norman area of Charlotte proper. Go Cats!
Robert I couldn't resist. I live less than 3 miles from the Davidson campus here in the beuatiful Lake Norman area of Charlotte proper. Go Cats!
Keep up the good work, Robert. I’ve only recently found this site, and I like it (and will continue to, even if you add ads).
While I love Jericho, it wasn’t a perfect show. That definitely shocks the faithful. The start of the first season was incredibly slow. The music was just dreadful, with constant trios of twin notes. The acting was bad. (In the pilot, the kid is telling everyone about the atomic bomb he just saw go off on the horizon, and the mom doesn’t seem to have any emotional reaction at all. The kid was the only good actor in that scene.) A few episodes into the series and I was wondering how anyone could actually screw up a series with a plot like this.
The show did get much better at the end of season 1. Season 2 was really good, but still far from the quality of 24, the first season of Heroes, Lost, etc. That said, I’d love to see it rise from the dead yet again, in some fashion. A civil war would be cool to watch unfold.
Yet, part of me still says this is a great show with just something missing. Great cast, wonderful ideas, silly music and sometimes goofy pacing. I guess my problem is with the writing. There are so many arcs that could have been intertwined throughout this show that would have retained and perhaps grown viewership. Yet, the first season had those silly stories-of-the-week that focused on relationships, wind turbines, food, etc. If that had only been the backdrop for the overall conspiracy story from the beginning, and season 1 had ended with civil war looming, this show could have been a major hit. If anyone is upset at CBS, they should be upset at Carol and the writers instead.
Anyway, love the site. Really like the speedy interaction with you and others. Appreciate what you’re doing. You do deserve a case of premium beers.
Keep up the good work, Robert. I've only recently found this site, and I like it (and will continue to, even if you add ads).
While I love Jericho, it wasn't a perfect show. That definitely shocks the faithful. The start of the first season was incredibly slow. The music was just dreadful, with constant trios of twin notes. The acting was bad. (In the pilot, the kid is telling everyone about the atomic bomb he just saw go off on the horizon, and the mom doesn't seem to have any emotional reaction at all. The kid was the only good actor in that scene.) A few episodes into the series and I was wondering how anyone could actually screw up a series with a plot like this.
The show did get much better at the end of season 1. Season 2 was really good, but still far from the quality of 24, the first season of Heroes, Lost, etc. That said, I'd love to see it rise from the dead yet again, in some fashion. A civil war would be cool to watch unfold.
Yet, part of me still says this is a great show with just something missing. Great cast, wonderful ideas, silly music and sometimes goofy pacing. I guess my problem is with the writing. There are so many arcs that could have been intertwined throughout this show that would have retained and perhaps grown viewership. Yet, the first season had those silly stories-of-the-week that focused on relationships, wind turbines, food, etc. If that had only been the backdrop for the overall conspiracy story from the beginning, and season 1 had ended with civil war looming, this show could have been a major hit. If anyone is upset at CBS, they should be upset at Carol and the writers instead.
Anyway, love the site. Really like the speedy interaction with you and others. Appreciate what you're doing. You do deserve a case of premium beers.
Keep up the good work, Robert. I've only recently found this site, and I like it (and will continue to, even if you add ads).
While I love Jericho, it wasn't a perfect show. That definitely shocks the faithful. The start of the first season was incredibly slow. The music was just dreadful, with constant trios of twin notes. The acting was bad. (In the pilot, the kid is telling everyone about the atomic bomb he just saw go off on the horizon, and the mom doesn't seem to have any emotional reaction at all. The kid was the only good actor in that scene.) A few episodes into the series and I was wondering how anyone could actually screw up a series with a plot like this.
The show did get much better at the end of season 1. Season 2 was really good, but still far from the quality of 24, the first season of Heroes, Lost, etc. That said, I'd love to see it rise from the dead yet again, in some fashion. A civil war would be cool to watch unfold.
Yet, part of me still says this is a great show with just something missing. Great cast, wonderful ideas, silly music and sometimes goofy pacing. I guess my problem is with the writing. There are so many arcs that could have been intertwined throughout this show that would have retained and perhaps grown viewership. Yet, the first season had those silly stories-of-the-week that focused on relationships, wind turbines, food, etc. If that had only been the backdrop for the overall conspiracy story from the beginning, and season 1 had ended with civil war looming, this show could have been a major hit. If anyone is upset at CBS, they should be upset at Carol and the writers instead.
Anyway, love the site. Really like the speedy interaction with you and others. Appreciate what you're doing. You do deserve a case of premium beers.
@LukeyDukey: Would have loved a post with the headline “LukeyDukey and Davidson Put Beatdown on TVbytheNumbers.com, What does it Mean for Jericho?”
@Plasmatron, thank you very much again, and I agree with you down the line including loving to see it rise from the dead yet again.
@LukeyDukey: Would have loved a post with the headline “LukeyDukey and Davidson Put Beatdown on TVbytheNumbers.com, What does it Mean for Jericho?”
@Plasmatron, thank you very much again, and I agree with you down the line including loving to see it rise from the dead yet again.
@LukeyDukey: Would have loved a post with the headline “LukeyDukey and Davidson Put Beatdown on TVbytheNumbers.com, What does it Mean for Jericho?”
@Plasmatron, thank you very much again, and I agree with you down the line including loving to see it rise from the dead yet again.
Brilliant Robert
Brilliant Robert
Brilliant Robert
Robert have you seen these:
http://www.huliq.com/55275/jericho-fans-attack-nielsen-ratings-over-second-cancellation
http://www.groundreport.com/Arts_and_Culture/Jericho-Fans-Try-To-Make-History
Robert have you seen these:
http://www.huliq.com/55275/jericho-fans-attack-...
http://www.groundreport.com/Arts_and_Culture/Je...
Robert have you seen these:
http://www.huliq.com/55275/jericho-fans-attack-...
http://www.groundreport.com/Arts_and_Culture/Je...
I sure hope you’re wrong.
I sure hope you're wrong.
I sure hope you're wrong.
Just as an FYI, Carol Barbee is not the only producer of the show who thinks it has a chance, 2 others stopped by to chat with the fans the other day, as well as a writer,a props guy, 2 SFX guys and one extra.
Never seen a show who’s cast and crew stops by to chat with the fans on a reuglar basis.
Just as an FYI, Carol Barbee is not the only producer of the show who thinks it has a chance, 2 others stopped by to chat with the fans the other day, as well as a writer,a props guy, 2 SFX guys and one extra.
Never seen a show who's cast and crew stops by to chat with the fans on a reuglar basis.
Just as an FYI, Carol Barbee is not the only producer of the show who thinks it has a chance, 2 others stopped by to chat with the fans the other day, as well as a writer,a props guy, 2 SFX guys and one extra.
Never seen a show who's cast and crew stops by to chat with the fans on a reuglar basis.
@Matthew: 2FX guys, a props guy a writer, and one extra are nice…it’s good to see that Barbee is purposefully passing around the Kool-Aide. If she can pass it to Skeet and Lennie (Brad, Alicia, etc) and have them drink enough of it where they’re willing to take a massive paycut, then I’d agree it has a chance.
And of course, they could cut Skeet and Lennie out and save some money, but if it comes back without them, I seriously doubt I’ll be watching.
@Matthew: 2FX guys, a props guy a writer, and one extra are nice…it's good to see that Barbee is purposefully passing around the Kool-Aide. If she can pass it to Skeet and Lennie (Brad, Alicia, etc) and have them drink enough of it where they're willing to take a massive paycut, then I'd agree it has a chance.
And of course, they could cut Skeet and Lennie out and save some money, but if it comes back without them, I seriously doubt I'll be watching.
@Matthew: 2FX guys, a props guy a writer, and one extra are nice…it's good to see that Barbee is purposefully passing around the Kool-Aide. If she can pass it to Skeet and Lennie (Brad, Alicia, etc) and have them drink enough of it where they're willing to take a massive paycut, then I'd agree it has a chance.
And of course, they could cut Skeet and Lennie out and save some money, but if it comes back without them, I seriously doubt I'll be watching.
I agree – I don’t think I could watch the show without those two guys. Besides I love the neck snapping thing that Hawkins does
I agree – I don't think I could watch the show without those two guys. Besides I love the neck snapping thing that Hawkins does
I agree – I don't think I could watch the show without those two guys. Besides I love the neck snapping thing that Hawkins does
First Robert,you’re not a “Great Writer” You’re good, certainly better than me. I hope you are wrong and if you are and we get Jericho back than I expect pictures of you mowing lawns and washing cars. I have been bothered by the fact that people are putting so much effort into getting the show back and there does seem by much feedback. I wish someone would let us know what is going on. I will continue with my efforts(a couple of hours a day} because I love this show. I do think you mean well and thank you for writing about Jericho and giving us a chance to defend our show. Hopefully we will next see you mowing and washing.
First Robert,you're not a “Great Writer” You're good, certainly better than me. I hope you are wrong and if you are and we get Jericho back than I expect pictures of you mowing lawns and washing cars. I have been bothered by the fact that people are putting so much effort into getting the show back and there does seem by much feedback. I wish someone would let us know what is going on. I will continue with my efforts(a couple of hours a day} because I love this show. I do think you mean well and thank you for writing about Jericho and giving us a chance to defend our show. Hopefully we will next see you mowing and washing.
First Robert,you're not a “Great Writer” You're good, certainly better than me. I hope you are wrong and if you are and we get Jericho back than I expect pictures of you mowing lawns and washing cars. I have been bothered by the fact that people are putting so much effort into getting the show back and there does seem by much feedback. I wish someone would let us know what is going on. I will continue with my efforts(a couple of hours a day} because I love this show. I do think you mean well and thank you for writing about Jericho and giving us a chance to defend our show. Hopefully we will next see you mowing and washing.
Robert, She hasn’t stopped by since the cancelation, but Alicia does stop by to chat with us from time to time as well.
As for Skeet and Lennie, yes, it wouldnt be the same without them, But, it wouldnt be the same without Brad either, i think he’s the actor who grew on me the most.
I agree it’s a HUGE longshot for us to get anymore TV Jericho.
But it was a Huge longshot that we’d get season 2. so until the actors contracts expire in June, i’m going to hold out hope.
Once their contracts expire however. i think its 100% over.
Robert, She hasn't stopped by since the cancelation, but Alicia does stop by to chat with us from time to time as well.
As for Skeet and Lennie, yes, it wouldnt be the same without them, But, it wouldnt be the same without Brad either, i think he's the actor who grew on me the most.
I agree it's a HUGE longshot for us to get anymore TV Jericho.
But it was a Huge longshot that we'd get season 2. so until the actors contracts expire in June, i'm going to hold out hope.
Once their contracts expire however. i think its 100% over.
Robert, She hasn't stopped by since the cancelation, but Alicia does stop by to chat with us from time to time as well.
As for Skeet and Lennie, yes, it wouldnt be the same without them, But, it wouldnt be the same without Brad either, i think he's the actor who grew on me the most.
I agree it's a HUGE longshot for us to get anymore TV Jericho.
But it was a Huge longshot that we'd get season 2. so until the actors contracts expire in June, i'm going to hold out hope.
Once their contracts expire however. i think its 100% over.
This show will get a third season people!
This show will get a third season people!
This show will get a third season people!
Robert Seidman,
Yet again, stick to the “reality” shows, they are in synch with your attention span.
Robert Seidman,
Yet again, stick to the “reality” shows, they are in synch with your attention span.
Robert Seidman,
Yet again, stick to the “reality” shows, they are in synch with your attention span.
@SonyLee, yes, Lost, House, Heroes, BSG and The Wire are all sooooo realistic! Well, House and The Wire perhaps.
Oh and by the way you knucklehead, I watched every.single.Jericho.episode. I watched the finale twice!
And let’s not forget Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles. That is so realistic! At least Summer is…
@SonyLee, yes, Lost, House, Heroes, BSG and The Wire are all sooooo realistic! Well, House and The Wire perhaps.
Oh and by the way you knucklehead, I watched every.single.Jericho.episode. I watched the finale twice!
And let's not forget Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles. That is so realistic! At least Summer is…
@SonyLee, yes, Lost, House, Heroes, BSG and The Wire are all sooooo realistic! Well, House and The Wire perhaps.
Oh and by the way you knucklehead, I watched every.single.Jericho.episode. I watched the finale twice!
And let's not forget Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles. That is so realistic! At least Summer is…
Anytime someone can either drop a knucklehead reference or play the “do you know who I am card” I am impresed (but not equally impressed).
No offense Sonny, but that was Funny!
Anytime someone can either drop a knucklehead reference or play the “do you know who I am card” I am impresed (but not equally impressed).
No offense Sonny, but that was Funny!
Anytime someone can either drop a knucklehead reference or play the “do you know who I am card” I am impresed (but not equally impressed).
No offense Sonny, but that was Funny!
@Lukey, promise me if I ever play the “do you know who I am” card, that you slap me and say, “Yeah, I know you’re a nobody!” But Wilbon has knucklehead in my regular vocabulary now.
Off to the sports bar…go Davidson!
@Lukey, promise me if I ever play the “do you know who I am” card, that you slap me and say, “Yeah, I know you're a nobody!” But Wilbon has knucklehead in my regular vocabulary now.
Off to the sports bar…go Davidson!
@Lukey, promise me if I ever play the “do you know who I am” card, that you slap me and say, “Yeah, I know you're a nobody!” But Wilbon has knucklehead in my regular vocabulary now.
Off to the sports bar…go Davidson!
I’m nobody and proud of it
I'm nobody and proud of it
I'm nobody and proud of it
Karen, when you put it like that…me too!
Karen, when you put it like that…me too!
Karen, when you put it like that…me too!
Pay cut for Brad, Skeet, Alicia, Lennie, Ashley?
Its not exactly like the phones are ringing off the hooks for their services elsewhere. Look at these careers on IMDB. With the exception of Skeet, there’s not a lot in the cooker here.
Where do you get the information as to the salaries of the cast members?
If Firefly can get a movie, so can Jericho. The civil war would look better on the big screen anyway.
Pay cut for Brad, Skeet, Alicia, Lennie, Ashley?
Its not exactly like the phones are ringing off the hooks for their services elsewhere. Look at these careers on IMDB. With the exception of Skeet, there's not a lot in the cooker here.
Where do you get the information as to the salaries of the cast members?
If Firefly can get a movie, so can Jericho. The civil war would look better on the big screen anyway.
Pay cut for Brad, Skeet, Alicia, Lennie, Ashley?
Its not exactly like the phones are ringing off the hooks for their services elsewhere. Look at these careers on IMDB. With the exception of Skeet, there's not a lot in the cooker here.
Where do you get the information as to the salaries of the cast members?
If Firefly can get a movie, so can Jericho. The civil war would look better on the big screen anyway.
I’ve always thought that Carol et al knows a lot more about what’s going on than they are letting on, as far as possibilities go. My take is that she just doesn’t want a million die hards crushed before they absolutely have to be, so it’s keep the fires burning till who knows when…either we get a green light or Jericho fades to twilight and shades of gray. It’s the suspense that’s killing me right now. I’m ready to let go, but I don’t want to.
I've always thought that Carol et al knows a lot more about what's going on than they are letting on, as far as possibilities go. My take is that she just doesn't want a million die hards crushed before they absolutely have to be, so it's keep the fires burning till who knows when…either we get a green light or Jericho fades to twilight and shades of gray. It's the suspense that's killing me right now. I'm ready to let go, but I don't want to.
I've always thought that Carol et al knows a lot more about what's going on than they are letting on, as far as possibilities go. My take is that she just doesn't want a million die hards crushed before they absolutely have to be, so it's keep the fires burning till who knows when…either we get a green light or Jericho fades to twilight and shades of gray. It's the suspense that's killing me right now. I'm ready to let go, but I don't want to.