Comments on: How TV Network Execs Make Decisions http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296 Nielsen TV Show Ratings, Data and More Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:31:38 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Robert Seidman http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296#comment-9222 Robert Seidman Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:01:30 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296#comment-9222 @Outlander -- I'm not bearish and I really haven't changed my stance but the longer we go without hearing anything the more annoyed I get! Since they haven't renewed it yet, and have renewed other shows, there's no way for me to be "shocked"... as for Knight Rider, blame the 12.7 million people who watched the movie and the 5.0 rating in the 18-49 demo..on a Saturday. I watched online weeks later, so I know I didn't count in the ratings! ;) @Outlander — I’m not bearish and I really haven’t changed my stance but the longer we go without hearing anything the more annoyed I get! Since they haven’t renewed it yet, and have renewed other shows, there’s no way for me to be “shocked”…

as for Knight Rider, blame the 12.7 million people who watched the movie and the 5.0 rating in the 18-49 demo..on a Saturday. I watched online weeks later, so I know I didn’t count in the ratings! ;)

]]> By: Robert Seidman http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296#comment-19597 Robert Seidman Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:01:30 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296#comment-19597 @Outlander -- I'm not bearish and I really haven't changed my stance but the longer we go without hearing anything the more annoyed I get! Since they haven't renewed it yet, and have renewed other shows, there's no way for me to be "shocked"...<br><br>as for Knight Rider, blame the 12.7 million people who watched the movie and the 5.0 rating in the 18-49 demo..on a Saturday. I watched online weeks later, so I know I didn't count in the ratings! ;) @Outlander — I'm not bearish and I really haven't changed my stance but the longer we go without hearing anything the more annoyed I get! Since they haven't renewed it yet, and have renewed other shows, there's no way for me to be “shocked”…

as for Knight Rider, blame the 12.7 million people who watched the movie and the 5.0 rating in the 18-49 demo..on a Saturday. I watched online weeks later, so I know I didn't count in the ratings! ;)

]]> By: Outlander http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296#comment-9218 Outlander Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:27:05 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296#comment-9218 Robert, Why to you seem to be getting more bearish on TSCC's chances for renewal? A while ago, I remember you claiming TSCC was all but certainly going to be renewed. Then you speculated that it will probably get renewed, but maybe not for a full season order. Now today you say in the comments you would not be shocked if TSCC was non-renewed. If my only network scifi fix in the Fall is Knight Rider (which has bad writing, bad plot, bad acting, and no Summer Glau), I will personally blame you. :-) (j/k) Robert,

Why to you seem to be getting more bearish on TSCC’s chances for renewal? A while ago, I remember you claiming TSCC was all but certainly going to be renewed. Then you speculated that it will probably get renewed, but maybe not for a full season order. Now today you say in the comments you would not be shocked if TSCC was non-renewed.

If my only network scifi fix in the Fall is Knight Rider (which has bad writing, bad plot, bad acting, and no Summer Glau), I will personally blame you. :-) (j/k)

]]> By: Outlander http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296#comment-19596 Outlander Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:27:05 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296#comment-19596 Robert,<br><br>Why to you seem to be getting more bearish on TSCC's chances for renewal? A while ago, I remember you claiming TSCC was all but certainly going to be renewed. Then you speculated that it will probably get renewed, but maybe not for a full season order. Now today you say in the comments you would not be shocked if TSCC was non-renewed. <br><br>If my only network scifi fix in the Fall is Knight Rider (which has bad writing, bad plot, bad acting, and no Summer Glau), I will personally blame you. :-) (j/k) Robert,

Why to you seem to be getting more bearish on TSCC's chances for renewal? A while ago, I remember you claiming TSCC was all but certainly going to be renewed. Then you speculated that it will probably get renewed, but maybe not for a full season order. Now today you say in the comments you would not be shocked if TSCC was non-renewed.

If my only network scifi fix in the Fall is Knight Rider (which has bad writing, bad plot, bad acting, and no Summer Glau), I will personally blame you. :-) (j/k)

]]> By: Marc http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296#comment-9197 Marc Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:42:12 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296#comment-9197 Thanks Robert, I kind of figured since networks are hungry for that 18-49 demo, Family Guy will be fine, even if the total numbers are not always in the top 20. Thanks Robert, I kind of figured since networks are hungry for that 18-49 demo, Family Guy will be fine, even if the total numbers are not always in the top 20.

]]> By: Marc http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296#comment-19595 Marc Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:42:12 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296#comment-19595 Thanks Robert, I kind of figured since networks are hungry for that 18-49 demo, Family Guy will be fine, even if the total numbers are not always in the top 20. Thanks Robert, I kind of figured since networks are hungry for that 18-49 demo, Family Guy will be fine, even if the total numbers are not always in the top 20.

]]> By: Robert Seidman http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296#comment-9196 Robert Seidman Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:37:21 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296#comment-9196 @Carl, good info, thank you! @Marc <i>repeats</i> of Family Guy routinely beat new episodes of The Simpsons in the 18-49 demo. I'll be sad if TSCC gets cancelled, but not shocked. I'll be completely shocked if Family Guy is not renewed. @James B. Popularity overseas only matters if its via DVD and licensing the content. But if all the popularity is via BitTorrent, I doubt that is a big factor. Overseas loves, loves, loves SciFi shows too, so I imagine if they make more TSCC, they'll gobble that up internationally as well. @Carl, good info, thank you!

@Marc repeats of Family Guy routinely beat new episodes of The Simpsons in the 18-49 demo. I’ll be sad if TSCC gets cancelled, but not shocked. I’ll be completely shocked if Family Guy is not renewed.

@James B. Popularity overseas only matters if its via DVD and licensing the content. But if all the popularity is via BitTorrent, I doubt that is a big factor. Overseas loves, loves, loves SciFi shows too, so I imagine if they make more TSCC, they’ll gobble that up internationally as well.

]]> By: Robert Seidman http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296#comment-19594 Robert Seidman Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:37:21 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296#comment-19594 @Carl, good info, thank you!<br><br>@Marc <i>repeats</i> of Family Guy routinely beat new episodes of The Simpsons in the 18-49 demo. I'll be sad if TSCC gets cancelled, but not shocked. I'll be completely shocked if Family Guy is not renewed.<br><br>@James B. Popularity overseas only matters if its via DVD and licensing the content. But if all the popularity is via BitTorrent, I doubt that is a big factor. Overseas loves, loves, loves SciFi shows too, so I imagine if they make more TSCC, they'll gobble that up internationally as well. @Carl, good info, thank you!

@Marc repeats of Family Guy routinely beat new episodes of The Simpsons in the 18-49 demo. I'll be sad if TSCC gets cancelled, but not shocked. I'll be completely shocked if Family Guy is not renewed.

@James B. Popularity overseas only matters if its via DVD and licensing the content. But if all the popularity is via BitTorrent, I doubt that is a big factor. Overseas loves, loves, loves SciFi shows too, so I imagine if they make more TSCC, they'll gobble that up internationally as well.

]]> By: Marc http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296#comment-9194 Marc Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:31:14 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296#comment-9194 So this is good for Family Guy? Hoepfully they won't be cancelled or on the bubble yet again. So this is good for Family Guy? Hoepfully they won’t be cancelled or on the bubble yet again.

]]> By: Marc http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296#comment-19593 Marc Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:31:14 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296#comment-19593 So this is good for Family Guy? Hoepfully they won't be cancelled or on the bubble yet again. So this is good for Family Guy? Hoepfully they won't be cancelled or on the bubble yet again.

]]> By: James B. http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296#comment-9193 James B. Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:27:25 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296#comment-9193 Isn't Prison Break extremely popular overseas, so that's another factor to take into consideration. Isn’t Prison Break extremely popular overseas, so that’s another factor to take into consideration.

]]> By: James B. http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296#comment-19592 James B. Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:27:25 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296#comment-19592 Isn't Prison Break extremely popular overseas, so that's another factor to take into consideration. Isn't Prison Break extremely popular overseas, so that's another factor to take into consideration.

]]> By: Carl LaFong http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296#comment-9188 Carl LaFong Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:32:27 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296#comment-9188 Advertisers use a similar measure to what you report here when analyzing data to make TV buys. It's called Viewers per Thousand Viewing Household or VPVH. Simply put, it's the number of viewers of a show in a given age range in every thousand households tuned to that show. It's a way of determining which shows have the best concentration of an advertisers target audience without regard to sheer audience size. Advertisers use a similar measure to what you report here when analyzing data to make TV buys. It’s called Viewers per Thousand Viewing Household or VPVH. Simply put, it’s the number of viewers of a show in a given age range in every thousand households tuned to that show.

It’s a way of determining which shows have the best concentration of an advertisers target audience without regard to sheer audience size.

]]> By: Carl LaFong http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296#comment-19591 Carl LaFong Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:32:27 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296#comment-19591 Advertisers use a similar measure to what you report here when analyzing data to make TV buys. It's called Viewers per Thousand Viewing Household or VPVH. Simply put, it's the number of viewers of a show in a given age range in every thousand households tuned to that show.<br><br>It's a way of determining which shows have the best concentration of an advertisers target audience without regard to sheer audience size. Advertisers use a similar measure to what you report here when analyzing data to make TV buys. It's called Viewers per Thousand Viewing Household or VPVH. Simply put, it's the number of viewers of a show in a given age range in every thousand households tuned to that show.

It's a way of determining which shows have the best concentration of an advertisers target audience without regard to sheer audience size.

]]> By: Raijin http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296#comment-9187 Raijin Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:48:33 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296#comment-9187 For everyone who's interested. There is a rumor from a person who presumably knows someone on the inside that TSCC is going to be officially renewed this coming Monday. I wouldn't hold my breath over someone's word on the internet. But this maybe something to look out for on Monday. For everyone who’s interested. There is a rumor from a person who presumably knows someone on the inside that TSCC is going to be officially renewed this coming Monday. I wouldn’t hold my breath over someone’s word on the internet. But this maybe something to look out for on Monday.

]]> By: Raijin http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296#comment-19590 Raijin Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:48:33 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296#comment-19590 For everyone who's interested. There is a rumor from a person who presumably knows someone on the inside that TSCC is going to be officially renewed this coming Monday. I wouldn't hold my breath over someone's word on the internet. But this maybe something to look out for on Monday. For everyone who's interested. There is a rumor from a person who presumably knows someone on the inside that TSCC is going to be officially renewed this coming Monday. I wouldn't hold my breath over someone's word on the internet. But this maybe something to look out for on Monday.

]]> By: Robert Seidman http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296#comment-9183 Robert Seidman Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:04:10 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296#comment-9183 Raijin, I'm sure that's a big factor. We need to get a table up for all shows indicating who produces them. It would be a good reference. Raijin, I’m sure that’s a big factor. We need to get a table up for all shows indicating who produces them. It would be a good reference.

]]> By: Robert Seidman http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296#comment-19589 Robert Seidman Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:04:10 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296#comment-19589 Raijin, I'm sure that's a big factor. We need to get a table up for all shows indicating who produces them. It would be a good reference. Raijin, I'm sure that's a big factor. We need to get a table up for all shows indicating who produces them. It would be a good reference.

]]> By: Raijin http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296#comment-9180 Raijin Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:51:24 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296#comment-9180 I think the Prison Break thing might be just because it's a Fox produced show. With TSCC they negotiate the price with WB. I think the Prison Break thing might be just because it’s a Fox produced show. With TSCC they negotiate the price with WB.

]]> By: Raijin http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296#comment-19588 Raijin Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:51:24 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/11/how-tv-network-execs-make-decisions/3296#comment-19588 I think the Prison Break thing might be just because it's a Fox produced show. With TSCC they negotiate the price with WB. I think the Prison Break thing might be just because it's a Fox produced show. With TSCC they negotiate the price with WB.

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