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| Total Viewers (million) | 10.46 | 10.44 | 5.25 | 5.07 | 1.18 |
| Rating/Share: Adults 18-49 | 3.5/9 | 2.7/7 | 1.3/3 | 2.4/6 | 0.5/1 |
Not even a little love from The Masters overrun into primetime was enough to save CBS. Especially with Tiger out of the running, though it helped CBS’ demo numbers a little bit. ABC won the night across the board, with CBS in second in both overall viewers and the 18-49 demo. NBC was third overall, but last in the demo (unless you count the CW – and look at those CW number, I can’t count it). FOX while fourth overall had an 85% better performance in the 18-49 demo than NBC.
CBS squeezed 15.88 million out of that first half hour of Master’s overrun and a 3.9/12 in the demo for that half hour. Due to the overrun, all data in the table of shows for CBS is half hourly and listed at the bottom.
Without a charging Tiger, it was no match for the cougars on Wisteria Lane. Desperate Houswives was back, and I’ll note with significantly fewer viewers than its last fresh episode. In the overnights for last night DH scored 16 million viewers. But the last fresh episode on 1/6/08 had 19.78 million. Media Life is reporting that the 5.7 18-49 rating was also down 22% from the 7.9 for the 1/6 episode. Bob Iger and the crew at the mouse have to be a little concerned. Oprah’s Big Give was no prize at 8pm either, drawing less than 8.88 million and less than a 3.0 in the 18-49 demo.
At 10pm Eli Stone held more than half of the DH lead-in, and I while Marc Berman is not sure whether it will be back, I’m a lot more sure (often wrong, never in doubt). I think Eli will be back for 2 reasons. It gets about another ratings point when you add in the LIVE+7, and almost all of them are 18-49 year olds. Sure, they can’t sell the DVR ads, but the second reason is increasingly ABC is leaning towards (but still nowhere near) the “beggars can’t be choosers” lifestyle of NBC. I of course reserve the right to change my mind pending the results of Thursday’s season finale for Eli.
Speaking of NBC. They stunk. Not even the PR-flacks will be able to spin any peacock puffery out of this night. Dateline was its most watched show. A repeat of Law & Order: SVU had the most 18-49 viewers. Monk and Psych: nobody loved them. I can’t figure it, but I can figure a 1.3 rating in the 18-49 demo for the whole night is nothing to be proud of and perhaps, if you’re Jeff Zucker or Ben Silverman, something to be ashamed of.
Over on FOX it was animation night and I don’t have much to say except that finally, a new episode of the Simpsons beat a rerun of Family Guy. Stewie doesn’t seem to fare as well in reruns when he’s up against the women of Wisteria Lane.
See Sunday night’s full details:
| Time | Network | Show | Viewers (Millons) | 18-49 Rating/Share | HH Rating |
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| 7:00 | ABC | America's Funniest Home Videos (R ) | 7.53 | 2.4/8 | 4.6 |
| NBC | Dateline (7p-8p) | 6.13 | 1.3/7 | 4.7 | |
| FOX | King of the Hill (Repeat) | 2.43 | 1.1/3 | 1.7 | |
| CW | Americas Next Top Model (Repeat) | 1 | 0.4/1 | 1 | |
| 7:30 | FOX | American Dad (Repeat) | 3.13 | 1.5/4 | 2.3 |
| 8:00 | ABC | Oprah's Big Give | 8.88 | 2.9/9 | 5.7 |
| FOX | The Simpsons | 6.9 | 3.3/9 | 4.1 | |
| NBC | Monk | 5.19 | 1.1/6 | 4.1 | |
| CW | Everybody Hates Chris (Repeat) | 1.28 | 0.5/1 | 1.2 | |
| 8:30 | FOX | King of the Hill | 6.01 | 2.8/7 | 3.7 |
| CW | Aliens in America (Repeat) | 1.14 | 0.4/1 | 0.9 | |
| 9:00 | ABC | Desperate Housewives | 16 | 5.7/15 | 9.7 |
| FOX | Family Guy (Repeat) | 6.54 | 2.5/6 | 4 | |
| CW | The Game | 1.5 | 0.6/1 | 1.3 | |
| NBC | Psych | 4.23 | 1.2/4 | 4 | |
| 9:30 | CW | Girlfriends (Repeat) | 1.14 | 0.4/1 | 1 |
| FOX | American Dad | 5.43 | 2.5/6 | 3.4 | |
| 10:00 | ABC | Eli Stone | 9.19 | 2.9/10 | 5.9 |
| NBC | Law & Order: SVU (Repeat) | 5.46 | 1.5/6 | 4.3 | |
| 7:00 | CBS | The Masters (Overrun) | 15.88 | 3.9/12 | 11.3 |
| 7:30 | CBS | The Masters/60 Minutes | 12.37 | 2.6/8 | 8.5 |
| 8:00 | CBS | 60 Minutes | 11.88 | 2.7/8 | 9.1 |
| 8:30 | CBS | 60 Minutes/Big Brother | 9.49 | 2.7/7 | 6.6 |
| 9:00 | CBS | Big Brother | 9.04 | 2.7/6 | 5.2 |
| 9:30 | CBS | Big Brother/Cold Case | 8.53 | 2.3/5 | 5.7 |
| 10:00 | CBS | Cold Case | 8.92 | 2.5/6 | 6.9 |
| 10:30 | CBS | Cold Case/Dexter | 7.41 | 2.2/6 | 5.6 |
Nielsen Ratings Source: Nielsen Media Research. Full night’s results available via Marc Berman/Mediaweek.
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this surprised me but housewives, compared to a year ago, had the same 16 million. and dvr numbers are higher today so it’s probably more viewers. the demo number is lower but i think the added dvr numbers would even that out. not saying it’s great compared to the last tornado episodes but it’s basically no different from last year… maybe better
and eli did not do well. there was NO competition. a dexter rerun? law and order rerun? nothing. i thought it would do great with no real other competition.
this surprised me but housewives, compared to a year ago, had the same 16 million. and dvr numbers are higher today so it's probably more viewers. the demo number is lower but i think the added dvr numbers would even that out. not saying it's great compared to the last tornado episodes but it's basically no different from last year… maybe better
and eli did not do well. there was NO competition. a dexter rerun? law and order rerun? nothing. i thought it would do great with no real other competition.
I’m still of the opinion that Eli Stone will be back, though it’s on the most precarious footing of all the maybes at ABC.
I'm still of the opinion that Eli Stone will be back, though it's on the most precarious footing of all the maybes at ABC.
Normally I’d agree with you, but in light of this season’s performance I don’t. DVR will matter, but if I ran the LIVE+7 numbers for the above for the whole season, I don’t think you can lose ~4 million live/sd viewers and expect they ALL migrated to the DVR…
Normally I'd agree with you, but in light of this season's performance I don't. DVR will matter, but if I ran the LIVE+7 numbers for the above for the whole season, I don't think you can lose ~4 million live/sd viewers and expect they ALL migrated to the DVR…
Marc Berman the “self proclaimed TV Insider”…has implied that he does not believe “Eli Stone” is coming back. And what the heck is that based on? His supposed “insider” info. Did he talk to Stephen McPherson, president of ABC? The only chance that may have happened is when pasty, faced ba-ba-booey berman was handing the valet ticket to McPherson as Berman was about to park the mighty tv execs luxury car. More likely this is based on one of Berman’s hunches. Those hunches and two bucks will get you a cup of coffee. Berman is the clown prince of television.
Marc Berman the “self proclaimed TV Insider”…has implied that he does not believe “Eli Stone” is coming back. And what the heck is that based on? His supposed “insider” info. Did he talk to Stephen McPherson, president of ABC? The only chance that may have happened is when pasty, faced ba-ba-booey berman was handing the valet ticket to McPherson as Berman was about to park the mighty tv execs luxury car. More likely this is based on one of Berman's hunches. Those hunches and two bucks will get you a cup of coffee. Berman is the clown prince of television.
TheTruthHurts — please stop, being so…whatever, or at least call me names too!
How much do I speculate and go on hunch? VERY close to 100% some days
Though I’d admit I look at the numbers and compare things in a different fashion and don’t buy into some of his analysis, it’s not personal, I just think differently.
I have no problem with you disagreeing with Berman’s thinking and saying why, but I’d appreciate it very much if you limited it to being critical of his analysis rather than going with “the personal attack”.
TheTruthHurts — please stop, being so…whatever, or at least call me names too!
How much do I speculate and go on hunch? VERY close to 100% some days
Though I'd admit I look at the numbers and compare things in a different fashion and don't buy into some of his analysis, it's not personal, I just think differently.
I have no problem with you disagreeing with Berman's thinking and saying why, but I'd appreciate it very much if you limited it to being critical of his analysis rather than going with “the personal attack”.
i didn’t mean to imply that the dvr numbers would make up for the difference between the current 16 million and 20 for the tornado follow-up. i just meant the dvr numbers would put the show higher compared to last season. that’s pretty big since the show has been down compared to the last season. i think that’s a more logical comparison. the tornado episodes were sort of season ending style, strike ending highly promoted shows. if this had been the follow-up to the tornado it may have matched those numbers but since they didn’t know if the strike was going to end in time they didn’t save the follow up for the return of the show… which i believe was the original plan.
i didn't mean to imply that the dvr numbers would make up for the difference between the current 16 million and 20 for the tornado follow-up. i just meant the dvr numbers would put the show higher compared to last season. that's pretty big since the show has been down compared to the last season. i think that's a more logical comparison. the tornado episodes were sort of season ending style, strike ending highly promoted shows. if this had been the follow-up to the tornado it may have matched those numbers but since they didn't know if the strike was going to end in time they didn't save the follow up for the return of the show… which i believe was the original plan.
i agree but it had 7 episodes THIS season with over 18.5+ million LIVE+SD viewers. So the 16 million still seems bad to me in that context.
i agree but it had 7 episodes THIS season with over 18.5+ million LIVE+SD viewers. So the 16 million still seems bad to me in that context.
don’t get me wrong. i was expecting 18 million. 16 seems low. but i was surprised when i saw how it did last season. i just think people watch less TV in spring and it’s been so long strike-wise that people got out of the habit. but housewives has always been a strong show that bounces back… usually in the fall. overall… the fact it will have more viewers this year vs. last year when dvr’s are added… is not so bad.
as a warning… last year housewives did a 15.6 and a 6.0 for the comparable show for next week. will be interesting if it goes up or down.
don't get me wrong. i was expecting 18 million. 16 seems low. but i was surprised when i saw how it did last season. i just think people watch less TV in spring and it's been so long strike-wise that people got out of the habit. but housewives has always been a strong show that bounces back… usually in the fall. overall… the fact it will have more viewers this year vs. last year when dvr's are added… is not so bad.
as a warning… last year housewives did a 15.6 and a 6.0 for the comparable show for next week. will be interesting if it goes up or down.
How can Desperate Housewives go from 19 to 16 million, and is this the lowest rated episode of The Simpsons ever? Were they not publicized enough? bcoz no one seems to be gaining the viewers that these shows lost, so where did these people go?
How can Desperate Housewives go from 19 to 16 million, and is this the lowest rated episode of The Simpsons ever? Were they not publicized enough? bcoz no one seems to be gaining the viewers that these shows lost, so where did these people go?
There’s no doubt the long break (3+ months) hurt — and it will be interesting to see if it was the highest DVR viewed episode ever.
@Dearme. I can’t say where the all went, but in very round numbers, during the 9pm hour, of the TVs turned on, only about 1/3rd of them were watching the 5 networks listed above. The rest were spread among cable or other local channels. In other words of all the people watching TV at 9pm, roughly 2/3rds weren’t watching broadcast…
There's no doubt the long break (3+ months) hurt — and it will be interesting to see if it was the highest DVR viewed episode ever.
@Dearme. I can't say where the all went, but in very round numbers, during the 9pm hour, of the TVs turned on, only about 1/3rd of them were watching the 5 networks listed above. The rest were spread among cable or other local channels. In other words of all the people watching TV at 9pm, roughly 2/3rds weren't watching broadcast…
Dear Robert
Call me crazy but it appears that my favorite reality show picked up this Sunday (in the ratings)…Is that correct? Was Big Brother up in the ratings?
Dear Robert
Call me crazy but it appears that my favorite reality show picked up this Sunday (in the ratings)…Is that correct? Was Big Brother up in the ratings?
Browng, because of the overrun and the way the data was published I’m not comfortable comparing until I see the final numbers, but,it looks poised to be *well* ahead of last week’s 6.2ish million and the week before’s 7.5 millionish.
Browng, because of the overrun and the way the data was published I'm not comfortable comparing until I see the final numbers, but,it looks poised to be *well* ahead of last week's 6.2ish million and the week before's 7.5 millionish.
I am sure that Golf helped Big Brother in the ratings but that is a huge jump compared to previous weeks.
I am sure that Golf helped Big Brother in the ratings but that is a huge jump compared to previous weeks.
The simple fact is that people dont remember about these brand new episodes because the writer’s strike lasted so long. I think the numbers for DH are pretty good considering that fact.
The simple fact is that people dont remember about these brand new episodes because the writer's strike lasted so long. I think the numbers for DH are pretty good considering that fact.
Thanks for the Master’s Numbers – wish i could bought that on TVBS.
As for DHW-Eli… funny that a new ep of DH (without a natural disaster) didn’t match up to the new ep WITH a natural disaster at the end of the ’season’, while Eli (WITH a natural disaster – earthquake) had it’s most viewers ever. So, therefore, Natural Disaster = increased viewers… right?
Also, Eli WILL be back. ABC isn’t wasting this golden opportunity (behind DHW) for nothing and, even though it didn’t hold as good a % of Desperate as I would have liked, 9.19 (not including DVR+) is a pretty good number for 10pm on a SUNDAY night (one of the death slots). The DVR+ on Eli might set a % increase record (if there is one) because that’s exactly when people are packing it in early to start out there Monday morning work week.
Whew… I’m tired. Later.
Thanks for the Master's Numbers – wish i could bought that on TVBS.
As for DHW-Eli… funny that a new ep of DH (without a natural disaster) didn't match up to the new ep WITH a natural disaster at the end of the 'season', while Eli (WITH a natural disaster – earthquake) had it's most viewers ever. So, therefore, Natural Disaster = increased viewers… right?
Also, Eli WILL be back. ABC isn't wasting this golden opportunity (behind DHW) for nothing and, even though it didn't hold as good a % of Desperate as I would have liked, 9.19 (not including DVR+) is a pretty good number for 10pm on a SUNDAY night (one of the death slots). The DVR+ on Eli might set a % increase record (if there is one) because that's exactly when people are packing it in early to start out there Monday morning work week.
Whew… I'm tired. Later.
jon v… come on! death slot? post housewives? brothers and sister gets 11-12 million every week. boston leagal last season got a one time shot after housewives and hit almost 14 million. eli might come back since abc owns and it’s good but the show did pretty bad.
jon v… come on! death slot? post housewives? brothers and sister gets 11-12 million every week. boston leagal last season got a one time shot after housewives and hit almost 14 million. eli might come back since abc owns and it's good but the show did pretty bad.
You make some good points for B&S and BL… but recently, Sunday night has been ‘go to sleep’ night. The recent Sunday Total Viewers numbers have been abysmal – for all shows.
I wasn’t happy with 9.2mv after 16mv for DHW, but compared to tot/views late on a Sunday the past several weeks, thought it was a pretty good amount. (also, I will be interested in the DVR+ numbers).
You make some good points for B&S and BL… but recently, Sunday night has been 'go to sleep' night. The recent Sunday Total Viewers numbers have been abysmal – for all shows.
I wasn't happy with 9.2mv after 16mv for DHW, but compared to tot/views late on a Sunday the past several weeks, thought it was a pretty good amount. (also, I will be interested in the DVR+ numbers).
Oh… and p.s. – that IS why I think Eli will be renewed (ABC with a real vested interest). That and the fact that I expect 3 or 4 series Emmy nominations and 4 to 6 episode nominations – mainly writing and individual acting performances.
Oh… and p.s. – that IS why I think Eli will be renewed (ABC with a real vested interest). That and the fact that I expect 3 or 4 series Emmy nominations and 4 to 6 episode nominations – mainly writing and individual acting performances.
Are you saying you expect Eli Stone to get 7-10 Emmy nominations? Seriously? Nothing against the show….it has its charms…. but it should not be expecting any Emmy attention whatsover in the major categories.
Are you saying you expect Eli Stone to get 7-10 Emmy nominations? Seriously? Nothing against the show….it has its charms…. but it should not be expecting any Emmy attention whatsover in the major categories.
Hey, that’s awesome news about Eli Stone. What kind of numbers would you say Eli Stone needs to pull off for its finale on Thursday to get renewed? Around this much or can it afford to be between the average and this much?
Hey, that's awesome news about Eli Stone. What kind of numbers would you say Eli Stone needs to pull off for its finale on Thursday to get renewed? Around this much or can it afford to be between the average and this much?
Rob – I am on a website (tv.com click my name and search Eli Stone and then click on Waiting for the Day or the discussion links)) where people are going coo-coo for Eli over the past 3 or 4 weeks. It is not what I would have expected me to like – believe me – it’s just really well-written, well-acted and the characters and actors are very likeable.
The premise shounds kind of smarmy, I know. But Victor Garber will get two nominations (he’s long overdue) and there will be two or three writing nominations. There are usually several great scenes per week and I’m assuming there will be a coupla noms out of those, and a coupla episodes have been as good as about any others I’ve seen this year. So 7, 8, 9 wouldn’t surprise me.
Sam – Eli is in tough this week, I think, but 6.5 mil would be all right against ER and WOT. I think ABC is not going to worry about this Thurs unless it’s really bad.
Rob – I am on a website (tv.com click my name and search Eli Stone and then click on Waiting for the Day or the discussion links)) where people are going coo-coo for Eli over the past 3 or 4 weeks. It is not what I would have expected me to like – believe me – it's just really well-written, well-acted and the characters and actors are very likeable.
The premise shounds kind of smarmy, I know. But Victor Garber will get two nominations (he's long overdue) and there will be two or three writing nominations. There are usually several great scenes per week and I'm assuming there will be a coupla noms out of those, and a coupla episodes have been as good as about any others I've seen this year. So 7, 8, 9 wouldn't surprise me.
Sam – Eli is in tough this week, I think, but 6.5 mil would be all right against ER and WOT. I think ABC is not going to worry about this Thurs unless it's really bad.
Hope bill and Robert don’t mind… I’ll put in a link that you can cut/paste to go to this ep’s front page. But don’t dawdle and make sure you come right back to TVbyTheNubers – the greatest website in the history of the internet.
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That should be “Bill”, “Numbers” and it’s a link.
That should be “Bill”, “Numbers” and it's a link.
Those numbers for DH have to be a disappointment. The first new CSI had over 21 million. DH with 15,16,whatever; the latest Men in Trees with 5.5 If Grey’s can’t beat 17-18 million for its post-strike debut … Of course he who cuts against the grain is never right until ex post facto and the debate is over. I’ll just continue to watch ABC unravel. They’d be last except – NBC is far worse, almost genetically, it seems.
Those numbers for DH have to be a disappointment. The first new CSI had over 21 million. DH with 15,16,whatever; the latest Men in Trees with 5.5 If Grey's can't beat 17-18 million for its post-strike debut … Of course he who cuts against the grain is never right until ex post facto and the debate is over. I'll just continue to watch ABC unravel. They'd be last except – NBC is far worse, almost genetically, it seems.
@Jon V: That’s awesome news actually. Eli was last pulling off just about 6 million so if it can just retain 500000 of those new viewers, that would be awesome. My only worry is that once again, Eli is being lead-in by a rerun which just really worries me seeing how badly it does without a rerun. Hopefully enough of those new viewers carry over that it doesn’t matter. Also Jon, I’m samosfromhalo on TV.com. I’ve been posting on the boards there for a few weeks.
Also though, I’d like to know what Robert thinks would be good enough numbers for the finale. Any idea?
@Jon V: That's awesome news actually. Eli was last pulling off just about 6 million so if it can just retain 500000 of those new viewers, that would be awesome. My only worry is that once again, Eli is being lead-in by a rerun which just really worries me seeing how badly it does without a rerun. Hopefully enough of those new viewers carry over that it doesn't matter. Also Jon, I'm samosfromhalo on TV.com. I've been posting on the boards there for a few weeks.
Also though, I'd like to know what Robert thinks would be good enough numbers for the finale. Any idea?
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it was 16 million. why is that so difficult to figure out? not 15. not whatever. 16! is it not clear? it’s listed right above… on this page… in the original story.
i’m not sure why there are people who don’t like a certain network like abc or a certain show as though they were all ex lovers… but there’s nothing bad happening. it was a little low in a post strike, first new episode in 3 months, post tornado storyline world. no need to rejoice the death of a top 5 show or a network based on one episode getting 16 million viewers instead of 18… especially when DH got 16 million last year and DH got less than 16 in last year’s equivalent episode for next week. plus the dvr numbers will easily put them ahead of last season’s episode.
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it was 16 million. why is that so difficult to figure out? not 15. not whatever. 16! is it not clear? it's listed right above… on this page… in the original story.
i'm not sure why there are people who don't like a certain network like abc or a certain show as though they were all ex lovers… but there's nothing bad happening. it was a little low in a post strike, first new episode in 3 months, post tornado storyline world. no need to rejoice the death of a top 5 show or a network based on one episode getting 16 million viewers instead of 18… especially when DH got 16 million last year and DH got less than 16 in last year's equivalent episode for next week. plus the dvr numbers will easily put them ahead of last season's episode.
Sam, I don’t really have an answer for that. I think if it does in the 5.8-6.5 million range LIVE+SD, it’ neutral to its current case. Below that, it may not be neutral and above that, it’s a bonus.
Eli has been pulling over a million DVR users, almost all of them in the 18-49 range, but it’s live+SD 18-49 rating has been dwindling (other than last night after DH).
Sam, I don't really have an answer for that. I think if it does in the 5.8-6.5 million range LIVE+SD, it' neutral to its current case. Below that, it may not be neutral and above that, it's a bonus.
Eli has been pulling over a million DVR users, almost all of them in the 18-49 range, but it's live+SD 18-49 rating has been dwindling (other than last night after DH).
Do you think last night’s episode after DH will pull in a lot of new viewers for the finale or will it just be hurt more by just having a Lost rerun as its lead-in once again?
Do you think last night's episode after DH will pull in a lot of new viewers for the finale or will it just be hurt more by just having a Lost rerun as its lead-in once again?
Hi … I´´m not worry about DH ratings, because its 1st episode since that looong hiatus (damn WGA strike!) … I hope DH will pull more viewers (at least 17.5 m) next week.
Btw when we will get DVR+ numbers?
Hi … I´´m not worry about DH ratings, because its 1st episode since that looong hiatus (damn WGA strike!) … I hope DH will pull more viewers (at least 17.5 m) next week.
Btw when we will get DVR+ numbers?
Dene, DVR numbers will be out in two weeks from today (4/29) for last weeks shows.
Dene, DVR numbers will be out in two weeks from today (4/29) for last weeks shows.
Thanks Billy
Thanks Billy
Maybe absence of Extreme Home Makeover did hurt “Desperate” ratings a little …. because that Oparah´s show is boring.
Maybe absence of Extreme Home Makeover did hurt “Desperate” ratings a little …. because that Oparah´s show is boring.
SVU was NOT a repeat.
SVU was NOT a repeat.
yes, it was. you commented on SUNDAY’S post. SVU was not a rerun on Tuesday, April 15, but these aren’t the numbers for that day.
yes, it was. you commented on SUNDAY'S post. SVU was not a rerun on Tuesday, April 15, but these aren't the numbers for that day.