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	<title>Comments on: Daytime Nielsen TV Ratings April 14-18, 2008</title>
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		<title>By: Mac</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/25/daytime-nielsen-tv-ratings-april-14-18-2008/3510#comment-56481</link>
		<dc:creator>Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 09:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My prediction is that there will be on daytime soaps on the air 10 years from now.  Even Y&amp;R will be gone because it&#039;s only pulling in 1.2 million views these days.  At the rate Y&amp;R has been slipping, it will have close to no viewers within the next decade (Y&amp;R has gone from having 11 million viewers in the 1980&#039;s to just above 1 million twenty years later.  You do the math).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My prediction is that there will be on daytime soaps on the air 10 years from now.  Even Y&amp;R will be gone because it&#8217;s only pulling in 1.2 million views these days.  At the rate Y&amp;R has been slipping, it will have close to no viewers within the next decade (Y&amp;R has gone from having 11 million viewers in the 1980&#8217;s to just above 1 million twenty years later.  You do the math).</p>
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		<title>By: Rabb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rabb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you go days!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Howie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Howie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone know how THE PRICE IS RIGHT is doing in ratings?  I wonder if it has dropped sence Drew Carey has taken over.  I know I stopped watching after watching for 32 years.  I don&#039;t think drew is a good replacement for 
Bob Barker, I know no one can take his place but Drew just drags out his sentences and talks way to much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone know how THE PRICE IS RIGHT is doing in ratings?  I wonder if it has dropped sence Drew Carey has taken over.  I know I stopped watching after watching for 32 years.  I don&#8217;t think drew is a good replacement for<br />
Bob Barker, I know no one can take his place but Drew just drags out his sentences and talks way to much.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, some serious attacks on DAYS. I have to say that not long before the WGA strike I said to my friend, &quot;They need to pull the plug on this show. Nothing can save it.&quot; But what a difference a few months (and a strike) make. I&#039;m glad I hung in there. Bad writing and acting was permeating DAYS a few months ago, but no more. But that is the nature of soaps. No other medium is called upon to produce as many scripted hours, in so many weeks of the year. There will be ups and downs. Too bad audiences are no longer forgiving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, some serious attacks on DAYS. I have to say that not long before the WGA strike I said to my friend, &#8220;They need to pull the plug on this show. Nothing can save it.&#8221; But what a difference a few months (and a strike) make. I&#8217;m glad I hung in there. Bad writing and acting was permeating DAYS a few months ago, but no more. But that is the nature of soaps. No other medium is called upon to produce as many scripted hours, in so many weeks of the year. There will be ups and downs. Too bad audiences are no longer forgiving.</p>
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		<title>By: Allison Waldman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allison Waldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t pretend to be a number-cruncher, but I am a soap watcher. I have been to fan events and I have seen the rabid, die-hard nature of the soap loyalists. I think you are throwing dirt on the coffin way too soon. The soaps will not die. They may morph out of ABC, NBC and CBS, but they will endure. Remember, people have been saying the Theater is dead, too, and yet somehow it goes on. These daytime soaps have legacies that go way back and generational audiences that don&#039;t necessarily show up in demographics and Nielsens. I would bet you right now that even if Days and GL go down, the others will survive. ABC is not dumping AMC, OLTL and GH in this decade. It&#039;s not happening. Only NBC is really bailing on daytime and considering Jeff Zucker&#039;s programming genius, he&#039;s out to destroy every daypart on the NBC schedule. They&#039;re already last in primetime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t pretend to be a number-cruncher, but I am a soap watcher. I have been to fan events and I have seen the rabid, die-hard nature of the soap loyalists. I think you are throwing dirt on the coffin way too soon. The soaps will not die. They may morph out of ABC, NBC and CBS, but they will endure. Remember, people have been saying the Theater is dead, too, and yet somehow it goes on. These daytime soaps have legacies that go way back and generational audiences that don&#8217;t necessarily show up in demographics and Nielsens. I would bet you right now that even if Days and GL go down, the others will survive. ABC is not dumping AMC, OLTL and GH in this decade. It&#8217;s not happening. Only NBC is really bailing on daytime and considering Jeff Zucker&#8217;s programming genius, he&#8217;s out to destroy every daypart on the NBC schedule. They&#8217;re already last in primetime.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The View is placed there because it&#039;s in the daytime daypart and is a network owned show, like TPIR, which is also counted in the ratings. The morning shows are a separate category all on their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The View is placed there because it&#8217;s in the daytime daypart and is a network owned show, like TPIR, which is also counted in the ratings. The morning shows are a separate category all on their own.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Seidman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Seidman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marie, we don&#039;t get the data provided that way, so you won&#039;t see it. There&#039;s no easy way for us to consolidate the syndicated talk shows with these numbers (because we don&#039;t ever see the data, for example, for Ellen).

Other shows like The Price is Right which is likely the most watched show on CBS don&#039;t have enough 18-49 viewers to make the list that Bill uses to produce this data.

The View is there because the data comes from the ABC press release AND it does (mostly) enough 18-49 viewers to make the list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marie, we don&#8217;t get the data provided that way, so you won&#8217;t see it. There&#8217;s no easy way for us to consolidate the syndicated talk shows with these numbers (because we don&#8217;t ever see the data, for example, for Ellen).</p>
<p>Other shows like The Price is Right which is likely the most watched show on CBS don&#8217;t have enough 18-49 viewers to make the list that Bill uses to produce this data.</p>
<p>The View is there because the data comes from the ABC press release AND it does (mostly) enough 18-49 viewers to make the list.</p>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is &quot;The View&quot; placed in the daytime category along with soap operas?  I would like to see how it compares to other network talk shows including the 4th hour of &quot;Today&quot; in addition to the soap operas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is &#8220;The View&#8221; placed in the daytime category along with soap operas?  I would like to see how it compares to other network talk shows including the 4th hour of &#8220;Today&#8221; in addition to the soap operas.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex, I think most Days fans would agree that James Reilly was the worst writer and hurt the ratings- long term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex, I think most Days fans would agree that James Reilly was the worst writer and hurt the ratings- long term.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And that&#039;s just it, Alex, there is no                                                                                                                                                       
point in even promoting anymore. The first season on DWTS featured a GH cast member winning, another season featured an AMC castmember, and Days used to get constant promotion on Friends and now one of the cast members hosts The Biggest Loser. How much more promotion than that can you really do? DWTS and TBL put an actual cast member in the faces of millions of viewers every single week. yet it did nothing for the ratings of their respective soaps at all. Soaps really are insulting to the intelligence of the viewers, and fast-moving nighttime soaps like GA and DH really highlighted that, which is why I suspect they&#039;re seeing younger viewers dropping like flies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And that&#8217;s just it, Alex, there is no<br />
point in even promoting anymore. The first season on DWTS featured a GH cast member winning, another season featured an AMC castmember, and Days used to get constant promotion on Friends and now one of the cast members hosts The Biggest Loser. How much more promotion than that can you really do? DWTS and TBL put an actual cast member in the faces of millions of viewers every single week. yet it did nothing for the ratings of their respective soaps at all. Soaps really are insulting to the intelligence of the viewers, and fast-moving nighttime soaps like GA and DH really highlighted that, which is why I suspect they&#8217;re seeing younger viewers dropping like flies.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>regarding Y&amp;R&#039;s ratings, remember that for the 1993-94 season (the year before OJ and indeed the last year of ratings improvement for daytime), the show pulled in an 8.6 HH. by Christmas 1998, they&#039;d already slipped to 6.5 HH. Days&#039; drop is more dramatic, as in the summer of 1997, they regularly pulled in ratings in the 6.5HH region. Two years later they&#039;d dropped to to the mid-4s.

The decline in daytime is very likely terminal. There&#039;s not much promotion for the soaps anymore, there&#039;s hardly any way for anyone to know whether anything&#039;s happening anymore unless they happen to stumble upon it while home one day. Days&#039; late 90s success was a blessing and a curse. The show was increasingly close to being canned in the early 90s before James Reilly took over writing. It was the only soap to gain viewers during the OJ trial, but once he left, the show was totally ruined. All the realism and good writing Days had before was lost and the show&#039;s now an empty carcass of what it used to be. Worse, daytime&#039;s desperation to emulate anything that gets a marked ratings jump meant that everyone became a DAYS clone just like everything became a GH clone in the early 80s. So now all the writing and acting are terrible and people are tuning out. There&#039;s no future for these shows unless someone does something dramatic and radical across acting, writing, production AND promotion to get these shows back to the forefront. IMO ATWT missed a huge opportunity by not promoting the recent kiss by their gay couple, especially with the grassroots campaign by fans when they hadn&#039;t kissed in 7 months. Say what you will of the pairing and gays on TV whatever. They totally dropped the ball there. 

There&#039;s no way people will tune into a show unless there&#039;s a buzz. If no soaps are generating buzz and the ratings continue to fall, by the end of the decade, we&#039;ll be down to 3 CBS soaps and GH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>regarding Y&amp;R&#8217;s ratings, remember that for the 1993-94 season (the year before OJ and indeed the last year of ratings improvement for daytime), the show pulled in an 8.6 HH. by Christmas 1998, they&#8217;d already slipped to 6.5 HH. Days&#8217; drop is more dramatic, as in the summer of 1997, they regularly pulled in ratings in the 6.5HH region. Two years later they&#8217;d dropped to to the mid-4s.</p>
<p>The decline in daytime is very likely terminal. There&#8217;s not much promotion for the soaps anymore, there&#8217;s hardly any way for anyone to know whether anything&#8217;s happening anymore unless they happen to stumble upon it while home one day. Days&#8217; late 90s success was a blessing and a curse. The show was increasingly close to being canned in the early 90s before James Reilly took over writing. It was the only soap to gain viewers during the OJ trial, but once he left, the show was totally ruined. All the realism and good writing Days had before was lost and the show&#8217;s now an empty carcass of what it used to be. Worse, daytime&#8217;s desperation to emulate anything that gets a marked ratings jump meant that everyone became a DAYS clone just like everything became a GH clone in the early 80s. So now all the writing and acting are terrible and people are tuning out. There&#8217;s no future for these shows unless someone does something dramatic and radical across acting, writing, production AND promotion to get these shows back to the forefront. IMO ATWT missed a huge opportunity by not promoting the recent kiss by their gay couple, especially with the grassroots campaign by fans when they hadn&#8217;t kissed in 7 months. Say what you will of the pairing and gays on TV whatever. They totally dropped the ball there. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s no way people will tune into a show unless there&#8217;s a buzz. If no soaps are generating buzz and the ratings continue to fall, by the end of the decade, we&#8217;ll be down to 3 CBS soaps and GH.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as a college graduated mother of six and former business owner, i am currently totally disabled and find myself sitting day after day watching daytime television.  i am totally amazed at the poor writing evident in the soaps.  i watch Days, OLTL and GH fairly regularly and it never ceases to amaze me how simple minded the writers must think their audience is.  the soaps have gotten so formulaic no wonder viewers are going to other venues.  when writers become more inventive and give their viewers credit for having a functioning brain, soap ratings will improve.  i am thinking of going back to reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as a college graduated mother of six and former business owner, i am currently totally disabled and find myself sitting day after day watching daytime television.  i am totally amazed at the poor writing evident in the soaps.  i watch Days, OLTL and GH fairly regularly and it never ceases to amaze me how simple minded the writers must think their audience is.  the soaps have gotten so formulaic no wonder viewers are going to other venues.  when writers become more inventive and give their viewers credit for having a functioning brain, soap ratings will improve.  i am thinking of going back to reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or they move to SoapNet and the networks give the hours back to the affiliates to make up for declining primetime ratings. Huge budget cuts, obviously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or they move to SoapNet and the networks give the hours back to the affiliates to make up for declining primetime ratings. Huge budget cuts, obviously.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ditto for Passions - it was a complete and utter joke - poor dialog, acting, very cheaply made, but I loved it too. All the soaps are pretty much in the same boat. Budgets have been cut all around, but ratings keep dropping. Even worse, they don&#039;t show a hint of turning around. Days is not too bad off in that respect, with similar ratings to this point last year, but NBC already made it fairly obvious when it offed Passions that it was getting out of the soap business when Days contract expires in 2009. It was thought that another net may pick up Days because of its demo advantage, but it doesn&#039;t even have that anymore. ABC is still seeing huge declines from even last year (off 20%+). It was thought at one point that it would keep daytime going because GH was still strong, but over the last few months it&#039;s gone from doing as 2.7 to a 2.1, the same as AMC and OLTL. CBS recently revamped GL and ATWT with new methods of filming, but it&#039;s done nothing for the ratings at all, I saw that as a last ditch attempt myself, and it didn&#039;t work. I can see a few scenarios:

1. All soaps but Y&amp;R and B&amp;B are cancelled within the next 3-4 years.
2. Y&amp;R remains an hour, but most others are bumped down to 1/2, with huge cast cuts
3. Y&amp;R and B&amp;B are left as is, but several other soaps are integrated (AMC and OLTL, which sometimes cross over, for example).

No matter which way it goes, we can safely expect that next season is the last season we&#039;ll see soaps in their current format on the air.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ditto for Passions &#8211; it was a complete and utter joke &#8211; poor dialog, acting, very cheaply made, but I loved it too. All the soaps are pretty much in the same boat. Budgets have been cut all around, but ratings keep dropping. Even worse, they don&#8217;t show a hint of turning around. Days is not too bad off in that respect, with similar ratings to this point last year, but NBC already made it fairly obvious when it offed Passions that it was getting out of the soap business when Days contract expires in 2009. It was thought that another net may pick up Days because of its demo advantage, but it doesn&#8217;t even have that anymore. ABC is still seeing huge declines from even last year (off 20%+). It was thought at one point that it would keep daytime going because GH was still strong, but over the last few months it&#8217;s gone from doing as 2.7 to a 2.1, the same as AMC and OLTL. CBS recently revamped GL and ATWT with new methods of filming, but it&#8217;s done nothing for the ratings at all, I saw that as a last ditch attempt myself, and it didn&#8217;t work. I can see a few scenarios:</p>
<p>1. All soaps but Y&amp;R and B&amp;B are cancelled within the next 3-4 years.<br />
2. Y&amp;R remains an hour, but most others are bumped down to 1/2, with huge cast cuts<br />
3. Y&amp;R and B&amp;B are left as is, but several other soaps are integrated (AMC and OLTL, which sometimes cross over, for example).</p>
<p>No matter which way it goes, we can safely expect that next season is the last season we&#8217;ll see soaps in their current format on the air.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good info Doug.....I agree about Days being a complete joke, but that&#039;s why I love it so much.  It cracks me up and I think of it as a comedy.  It would seem like soaps like Days are way too expensive to make for the numbers it&#039;s doing.  It can&#039;t possibly last much longer, can it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good info Doug&#8230;..I agree about Days being a complete joke, but that&#8217;s why I love it so much.  It cracks me up and I think of it as a comedy.  It would seem like soaps like Days are way too expensive to make for the numbers it&#8217;s doing.  It can&#8217;t possibly last much longer, can it?</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 23:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hahaha. Well, I think that Y&amp;R started out at a much high place, so it has much further to fall. Even so, even last year it was occasionally pulling 4.2 to 4.6 ratings, putting it on par with it&#039;s performance from 6 years ago. No other soap can brag about that. I don&#039;t watch the soaps, so I really can&#039;t comment on anything else other than ratings. After Passions left, that was it for me.

I don&#039;t think that the proliferation in other options can fully explain the drop in the ratings of soaps, especially when you see that Days has plummeted 75% in women 18-34 in the past 6 years, its key demographic. I think you can tie it into the mega-hit relationship dramas that have proliferated in primetime during that span - GA, DH, etc. These shows are basically primetime soaps and have done extremely well, and it&#039;s made the poor quality of daytime soaps stand out like a sore thumb. So those in the 18-34 demo, a well-known fickle one, easily switch off Days because not only is it ridiculous, but it&#039;s also poorly made. And as the last 15 years have shown, once those viewers are gone, they&#039;re gone for good.

During its peak, Passions used to eclipse a 3 rating in teen girls during the summer, an unheard of number even for soaps at that time. Last week, Days led with a 0.5 rating. In Canada, Global TV (our Fox) was not counted in the national ratings until 2002, so final nations were not avaliable. Local markets were though, and at one point Passions was drawing more female teens in Toronto alone than the top rated series was nationally. Then it went down the tubes and the balloon burst.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahaha. Well, I think that Y&amp;R started out at a much high place, so it has much further to fall. Even so, even last year it was occasionally pulling 4.2 to 4.6 ratings, putting it on par with it&#8217;s performance from 6 years ago. No other soap can brag about that. I don&#8217;t watch the soaps, so I really can&#8217;t comment on anything else other than ratings. After Passions left, that was it for me.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that the proliferation in other options can fully explain the drop in the ratings of soaps, especially when you see that Days has plummeted 75% in women 18-34 in the past 6 years, its key demographic. I think you can tie it into the mega-hit relationship dramas that have proliferated in primetime during that span &#8211; GA, DH, etc. These shows are basically primetime soaps and have done extremely well, and it&#8217;s made the poor quality of daytime soaps stand out like a sore thumb. So those in the 18-34 demo, a well-known fickle one, easily switch off Days because not only is it ridiculous, but it&#8217;s also poorly made. And as the last 15 years have shown, once those viewers are gone, they&#8217;re gone for good.</p>
<p>During its peak, Passions used to eclipse a 3 rating in teen girls during the summer, an unheard of number even for soaps at that time. Last week, Days led with a 0.5 rating. In Canada, Global TV (our Fox) was not counted in the national ratings until 2002, so final nations were not avaliable. Local markets were though, and at one point Passions was drawing more female teens in Toronto alone than the top rated series was nationally. Then it went down the tubes and the balloon burst.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Seidman</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/25/daytime-nielsen-tv-ratings-april-14-18-2008/3510#comment-10730</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Seidman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 21:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Very interesting.  How much of Y &amp; R&#039;s relative outperformance do you attribute simply to &quot;Young&quot; being in the title?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Very interesting.  How much of Y &#038; R&#8217;s relative outperformance do you attribute simply to &#8220;Young&#8221; being in the title?</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 21:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ratings are not going to be the same as they were 10 years ago, no, but the loss in daytime is astounding. Before, soaps used to have a ratings advantage over most talk shows, but now that&#039;s completely evaporated. In the next few years, we&#039;re going to see almost all of the soaps can and the hours given back to the affiliates because talk shows get similar ratings to soaps, but without the high overhead.

As for Passions, between seasons 2 and 5, it did extremely well for NBC and in the summer would usually be in the 2.2 to 2.5 HH ratings range. It was still 9th overall, but it did huge demo numbers, peaking at a 4 rating in women 18-34 one week in 2001. Outside of Will &amp; Grace, it was the highest rated series in that demo on NBC for that week. I used to run a ratings website myself and dug these numbers up from the archives: (week ending May 31, 2002, with comparisons made to the week reported above)

Households
                       RTNG  SHR   Comp
Young &amp; The Restless   4.6   16    -17%
Days Of Our Lives      3.6   12    -44     
Bold &amp; The Beautiful   3.6   12    -25
General Hosptial       3.2   11    -31
As The World Turns     3.1   11    -29
All My Children        3.0   10    -37
Guilding Light         2.7    9    -33
One Life To Live       2.7    9    -29
Passions               2.0    7   
Port Charles           1.5    5  

Women 18-49
                       RTNG  SHR      
Days Of Our Lives      2.9   20    -52% 
General Hosptial       2.2   16    -32
All My Children        2.1   15    -43    
Young &amp; The Restless   2.0   14    -15  
One Life To Live       1.9   13    -32   
Bold &amp; The Beautiful   1.7   13    -23   
Passions               1.6   12       
As The World Turns     1.6   12    -19   
Guilding Light         1.4    8    -21     
Port Charles           1.2    8    

Women 18-34
                       RTNG  SHR    
Days Of Our Lives      3.9   26   -74%  
Passions               2.3   16          
General Hosptial       2.0   14   -45 
One Life To Live       2.0   14   -55 
All My Children        1.8   13   -62   
Young &amp; The Restless   1.6   11   -37  
Bold &amp; The Beautiful   1.6   11   -50   
Port Charles           1.4   10   
As The World Turns     1.0    7   -30   
Guilding Light         0.8    4   -37

The drop in women 18-34, now that&#039;s research it, is astounding. These are the future soap viewers, and in the past 6 years, more than half of them have disappeared.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ratings are not going to be the same as they were 10 years ago, no, but the loss in daytime is astounding. Before, soaps used to have a ratings advantage over most talk shows, but now that&#8217;s completely evaporated. In the next few years, we&#8217;re going to see almost all of the soaps can and the hours given back to the affiliates because talk shows get similar ratings to soaps, but without the high overhead.</p>
<p>As for Passions, between seasons 2 and 5, it did extremely well for NBC and in the summer would usually be in the 2.2 to 2.5 HH ratings range. It was still 9th overall, but it did huge demo numbers, peaking at a 4 rating in women 18-34 one week in 2001. Outside of Will &amp; Grace, it was the highest rated series in that demo on NBC for that week. I used to run a ratings website myself and dug these numbers up from the archives: (week ending May 31, 2002, with comparisons made to the week reported above)</p>
<p>Households<br />
                       RTNG  SHR   Comp<br />
Young &amp; The Restless   4.6   16    -17%<br />
Days Of Our Lives      3.6   12    -44<br />
Bold &amp; The Beautiful   3.6   12    -25<br />
General Hosptial       3.2   11    -31<br />
As The World Turns     3.1   11    -29<br />
All My Children        3.0   10    -37<br />
Guilding Light         2.7    9    -33<br />
One Life To Live       2.7    9    -29<br />
Passions               2.0    7<br />
Port Charles           1.5    5  </p>
<p>Women 18-49<br />
                       RTNG  SHR<br />
Days Of Our Lives      2.9   20    -52%<br />
General Hosptial       2.2   16    -32<br />
All My Children        2.1   15    -43<br />
Young &amp; The Restless   2.0   14    -15<br />
One Life To Live       1.9   13    -32<br />
Bold &amp; The Beautiful   1.7   13    -23<br />
Passions               1.6   12<br />
As The World Turns     1.6   12    -19<br />
Guilding Light         1.4    8    -21<br />
Port Charles           1.2    8    </p>
<p>Women 18-34<br />
                       RTNG  SHR<br />
Days Of Our Lives      3.9   26   -74%<br />
Passions               2.3   16<br />
General Hosptial       2.0   14   -45<br />
One Life To Live       2.0   14   -55<br />
All My Children        1.8   13   -62<br />
Young &amp; The Restless   1.6   11   -37<br />
Bold &amp; The Beautiful   1.6   11   -50<br />
Port Charles           1.4   10<br />
As The World Turns     1.0    7   -30<br />
Guilding Light         0.8    4   -37</p>
<p>The drop in women 18-34, now that&#8217;s research it, is astounding. These are the future soap viewers, and in the past 6 years, more than half of them have disappeared.</p>
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		<title>By: Allison Waldman</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/25/daytime-nielsen-tv-ratings-april-14-18-2008/3510#comment-10695</link>
		<dc:creator>Allison Waldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 17:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can you possibly expect daytime ratings for soaps to be what they were even 10 years ago when you see the competition that exists now? It&#039;s no longer ABC vs. NBC vs. CBS with a syndicated or cable channel or two in the mix. It&#039;s choice galore. The daytime audience is completely fragmented, as are all the dayparts. That&#039;s why demographics become important. Hit the right audience and you&#039;ve made your product viable. I think soaps will never end -- it&#039;s a genre that is incredibly durable. What would you replace it with that you can count on delivering consistently and economically? Talk shows come and go; syndicated fare, too. General Hospital just logged 45 years on the air. Guiding Light was renewed for a 72nd year on air (including radio). The likes of Passions are transient - they tried to re-invent the soap like Dark Shadows had before it. If Jeff Zucker thinks cancelling Days of Our Lives will improve NBC&#039;s daytime, he&#039;ll be wrong. But then NBC Universal just keeps promoting Zucker for his mistakes. He&#039;s such a horrible executive and they just keep on rewarding him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can you possibly expect daytime ratings for soaps to be what they were even 10 years ago when you see the competition that exists now? It&#8217;s no longer ABC vs. NBC vs. CBS with a syndicated or cable channel or two in the mix. It&#8217;s choice galore. The daytime audience is completely fragmented, as are all the dayparts. That&#8217;s why demographics become important. Hit the right audience and you&#8217;ve made your product viable. I think soaps will never end &#8212; it&#8217;s a genre that is incredibly durable. What would you replace it with that you can count on delivering consistently and economically? Talk shows come and go; syndicated fare, too. General Hospital just logged 45 years on the air. Guiding Light was renewed for a 72nd year on air (including radio). The likes of Passions are transient &#8211; they tried to re-invent the soap like Dark Shadows had before it. If Jeff Zucker thinks cancelling Days of Our Lives will improve NBC&#8217;s daytime, he&#8217;ll be wrong. But then NBC Universal just keeps promoting Zucker for his mistakes. He&#8217;s such a horrible executive and they just keep on rewarding him.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 10:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug, I know Passions did decent in the demo but #1 with a 4 rating?  That really doesn&#039;t sound right as I remember it in last place each week in total viewers for soaps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug, I know Passions did decent in the demo but #1 with a 4 rating?  That really doesn&#8217;t sound right as I remember it in last place each week in total viewers for soaps.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Seidman</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/25/daytime-nielsen-tv-ratings-april-14-18-2008/3510#comment-10667</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Seidman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 08:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug, great background -- thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug, great background &#8212; thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 03:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Network television in general is hurting, but nowhere is that more evident than in the daytime daypart. A 2.0 rating in women 18-49 used to be a low-average even 4 years ago, now none of the soap manage to hit it. It&#039;s depressing to watch because every year what is considered a good rating keeps slipping. Right now, a 2.3 HH rating will get you third in the ratings when 6 years ago that was Passions, the 9th rated soap and most were high twos or threes. The drop is even more startling in women 18-34, where Days usually leads with a 1.1 to 1.3 rating. 7 years ago during the summer, Passions was number one with a 4 rating in the demo. Days had lost literally 66% of this audience in the past 6 years. 

Daytime is effectively dead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Network television in general is hurting, but nowhere is that more evident than in the daytime daypart. A 2.0 rating in women 18-49 used to be a low-average even 4 years ago, now none of the soap manage to hit it. It&#8217;s depressing to watch because every year what is considered a good rating keeps slipping. Right now, a 2.3 HH rating will get you third in the ratings when 6 years ago that was Passions, the 9th rated soap and most were high twos or threes. The drop is even more startling in women 18-34, where Days usually leads with a 1.1 to 1.3 rating. 7 years ago during the summer, Passions was number one with a 4 rating in the demo. Days had lost literally 66% of this audience in the past 6 years. </p>
<p>Daytime is effectively dead.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/25/daytime-nielsen-tv-ratings-april-14-18-2008/3510#comment-10592</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I&#039;m a huge Days fan and I always wondered why they kept it on the air.  I know it comes in last place usually when it comes to Soaps.  I didn&#039;t realize it did so well with demo viewers.  I bet the percentage of the total is really good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I&#8217;m a huge Days fan and I always wondered why they kept it on the air.  I know it comes in last place usually when it comes to Soaps.  I didn&#8217;t realize it did so well with demo viewers.  I bet the percentage of the total is really good.</p>
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