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	<title>Comments on: CBS&#8217; Swingtown: Wanting to Believe in Santa Claus</title>
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		<title>By: Angelscrest</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/08/10/cbs-swingtown-wanting-to-believe-in-santa-claus/4642#comment-14530</link>
		<dc:creator>Angelscrest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Gwen!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am a huge Moonlight fan, and agree with your comments about Moonlight.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I also want to point out that Moonlight has much higher quality in every respect than either Forever Knight or Angel. I am not a fan of either show, but adore Moonlight.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I also want to point out that CBS still does not know if a younger demographic would watch Moonlight, because they put it on a night when all the young people go out to parties, clubs and movies. The only people who are staying home on Friday nights are either mature, or married with small children. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;CBS never tried to test Moonlight on another night because they had already made up their minds to dump it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Women of all ages like romance, and I think that CBS is missing the boat when they ignore this part of a woman&#039;s nature. Just look at how huge the romance section is in any bookstore, and if you think that only older women are reading romance novels, you should walk over to the teenage fiction section, and see that it is filled with romance as well, especially supernatural romances like Twilight.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If the network execs would descend from their corner offices once in a while and rub elbows with the hoy paloy once in a while, they may have a real education that they never got in business school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gwen!</p>
<p>I am a huge Moonlight fan, and agree with your comments about Moonlight.</p>
<p>I also want to point out that Moonlight has much higher quality in every respect than either Forever Knight or Angel. I am not a fan of either show, but adore Moonlight.</p>
<p>I also want to point out that CBS still does not know if a younger demographic would watch Moonlight, because they put it on a night when all the young people go out to parties, clubs and movies. The only people who are staying home on Friday nights are either mature, or married with small children. </p>
<p>CBS never tried to test Moonlight on another night because they had already made up their minds to dump it.</p>
<p>Women of all ages like romance, and I think that CBS is missing the boat when they ignore this part of a woman&#39;s nature. Just look at how huge the romance section is in any bookstore, and if you think that only older women are reading romance novels, you should walk over to the teenage fiction section, and see that it is filled with romance as well, especially supernatural romances like Twilight.</p>
<p>If the network execs would descend from their corner offices once in a while and rub elbows with the hoy paloy once in a while, they may have a real education that they never got in business school.</p>
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		<title>By: Angelscrest</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/08/10/cbs-swingtown-wanting-to-believe-in-santa-claus/4642#comment-14359</link>
		<dc:creator>Angelscrest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Doris,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Perhaps &quot;solitary&quot; has a slightly different meaning in French than in English.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have a thick book called &quot;Faux Amis&quot; that lists all of the words that English speakers may happen to use incorrectly when speaking French, because the word has a slightly different meaning in each language.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Perhaps 1/3 to 1/2 of the English Language contains French words, and it is interesting to discover them once you know how to look for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Doris,</p>
<p>Perhaps &#8220;solitary&#8221; has a slightly different meaning in French than in English.</p>
<p>I have a thick book called &#8220;Faux Amis&#8221; that lists all of the words that English speakers may happen to use incorrectly when speaking French, because the word has a slightly different meaning in each language.</p>
<p>Perhaps 1/3 to 1/2 of the English Language contains French words, and it is interesting to discover them once you know how to look for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Doris</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/08/10/cbs-swingtown-wanting-to-believe-in-santa-claus/4642#comment-14356</link>
		<dc:creator>Doris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so sorry to cause so much confusion over just one word!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You see I am French, so I use older definitions for words. Solitary awhile back meant “Separate or different from” Sorry to cause so much confusion. And I agree with Angelcrest statement about shows that are slow starters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so sorry to cause so much confusion over just one word!</p>
<p>You see I am French, so I use older definitions for words. Solitary awhile back meant “Separate or different from” Sorry to cause so much confusion. And I agree with Angelcrest statement about shows that are slow starters.</p>
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		<title>By: angelscrest</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/08/10/cbs-swingtown-wanting-to-believe-in-santa-claus/4642#comment-14351</link>
		<dc:creator>angelscrest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gwen&lt;br&gt;You are so right! There are many examples of shows that were slow starters and became big hits, like the original Star Trek, and like Seinfeld. Moonlight held up week after week, and always won its timeslot, while Swingtown continued to drop each week in a similar timeslot. Yet CBS keeps pushing ST in advertising, showing an unfair prejudice it its favor.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sometimes I think Moonlight is like Louise, who always had it in her to be Gypsy Rose Lee, but Mama Rose spent all her time on Baby June. The suits at CBS had no idea what a superior show they had in Moonlight, and I think they are tossing away success with both hands because they fail to recognize what the average viewer wants to see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gwen<br />You are so right! There are many examples of shows that were slow starters and became big hits, like the original Star Trek, and like Seinfeld. Moonlight held up week after week, and always won its timeslot, while Swingtown continued to drop each week in a similar timeslot. Yet CBS keeps pushing ST in advertising, showing an unfair prejudice it its favor.</p>
<p>Sometimes I think Moonlight is like Louise, who always had it in her to be Gypsy Rose Lee, but Mama Rose spent all her time on Baby June. The suits at CBS had no idea what a superior show they had in Moonlight, and I think they are tossing away success with both hands because they fail to recognize what the average viewer wants to see.</p>
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		<title>By: angelscrest</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/08/10/cbs-swingtown-wanting-to-believe-in-santa-claus/4642#comment-14344</link>
		<dc:creator>angelscrest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doris&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Perhaps you mean something other than &quot;Solitary.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Here are the definitions of &quot;solitary&quot; from the online dictionary:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1. alone; without companions; unattended: a solitary passer-by.  &lt;br&gt;2. living alone; avoiding the society of others: a solitary existence.  &lt;br&gt;3. by itself; alone: one solitary house.  &lt;br&gt;4. characterized by the absence of companions: a solitary journey.  &lt;br&gt;5. done without assistance or accompaniment; done in solitude: solitary chores.  &lt;br&gt;6. being the only one: a solitary exception.  &lt;br&gt;7. characterized by solitude, as a place; unfrequented, secluded, or lonely: a solitary cabin in the woods.  &lt;br&gt;8. Zoology. living habitually alone or in pairs, as certain wasps. Compare social (def. 10).  &lt;br&gt;–noun 9. a person who lives alone or in solitude, or avoids the society of others.  &lt;br&gt;10. a person who lives in solitude from religious motives.  &lt;br&gt;11. solitary confinement.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Perhaps you mean &quot;solidarity?&quot; This also does not fit what you are trying to say. Perhaps you would benefit by the use of a thesaurus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doris</p>
<p>Perhaps you mean something other than &#8220;Solitary.&#8221;</p>
<p>Here are the definitions of &#8220;solitary&#8221; from the online dictionary:</p>
<p>1. alone; without companions; unattended: a solitary passer-by.  <br />2. living alone; avoiding the society of others: a solitary existence.  <br />3. by itself; alone: one solitary house.  <br />4. characterized by the absence of companions: a solitary journey.  <br />5. done without assistance or accompaniment; done in solitude: solitary chores.  <br />6. being the only one: a solitary exception.  <br />7. characterized by solitude, as a place; unfrequented, secluded, or lonely: a solitary cabin in the woods.  <br />8. Zoology. living habitually alone or in pairs, as certain wasps. Compare social (def. 10).  <br />–noun 9. a person who lives alone or in solitude, or avoids the society of others.  <br />10. a person who lives in solitude from religious motives.  <br />11. solitary confinement.  </p>
<p>Perhaps you mean &#8220;solidarity?&#8221; This also does not fit what you are trying to say. Perhaps you would benefit by the use of a thesaurus.</p>
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		<title>By: angelscrest</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/08/10/cbs-swingtown-wanting-to-believe-in-santa-claus/4642#comment-14343</link>
		<dc:creator>angelscrest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Jackie about Moonlight being on Friday nights. Young people go out to parties and clubs on Friday nights. Young couples date on Friday nights, as do married people without kids. There is not a large crowd watching TV on Friday nights!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Moonlight won the 9:00 pm timeslot every week! If CBS was serious, they should have tried it on a different night before cancelling it. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I see now that they are swapping around a lot of these shows that get much lower ratings than Moonlight, trying to find a night that suits them, but the network did not even try this with Moonlight, not even once. They also did not market it as heavily as they are pushing both Swingtown and Flashpoint. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is my opinion that CBS wanted to get rid of Moonlight because it was not PC enough to suit them, and no amount of winning its timeslot, or winning awards would dissuade them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Jackie about Moonlight being on Friday nights. Young people go out to parties and clubs on Friday nights. Young couples date on Friday nights, as do married people without kids. There is not a large crowd watching TV on Friday nights!</p>
<p>Moonlight won the 9:00 pm timeslot every week! If CBS was serious, they should have tried it on a different night before cancelling it. </p>
<p>I see now that they are swapping around a lot of these shows that get much lower ratings than Moonlight, trying to find a night that suits them, but the network did not even try this with Moonlight, not even once. They also did not market it as heavily as they are pushing both Swingtown and Flashpoint. </p>
<p>It is my opinion that CBS wanted to get rid of Moonlight because it was not PC enough to suit them, and no amount of winning its timeslot, or winning awards would dissuade them.</p>
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		<title>By: Doris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since we both have lives, let me just settle this ridiculous little argument that we can both agree on. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I agree a hundred percent that there is a lot of TV shows that are very similar in plot. But most of them have found a little thing called solitary. Things that make them separate and unique compared to the other. Some shows and audiences have found solitary between different shows that make them more comfortable.  For example; a person may find “Medium” to dark and violent to there taste. So they would watch “Ghost Whisperer” since it is more of an emotion and faith driven show. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Maybe Audiences could not find solitary with Swingtown and Moonlight.  Nobody in my senior high school wanted to watch them since they seemed already done. There were a few that refused to watch Moonlight because the seemed pilferage from “Angel” and “Forever Knight” to others this might not be the case. So maybe Moonlight, Swingtown and (Dare I say this seasons big budget failure!) Bionic Woman did not get the chance to create solitary between similar shows. Or maybe networks just did not give them the chance they deserve. Or maybe they just needed better writers to make these shows unique to the audiences.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So let’s just say we are both right in our own way. And end this argument like civilized Adults.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since we both have lives, let me just settle this ridiculous little argument that we can both agree on. </p>
<p>I agree a hundred percent that there is a lot of TV shows that are very similar in plot. But most of them have found a little thing called solitary. Things that make them separate and unique compared to the other. Some shows and audiences have found solitary between different shows that make them more comfortable.  For example; a person may find “Medium” to dark and violent to there taste. So they would watch “Ghost Whisperer” since it is more of an emotion and faith driven show. </p>
<p>Maybe Audiences could not find solitary with Swingtown and Moonlight.  Nobody in my senior high school wanted to watch them since they seemed already done. There were a few that refused to watch Moonlight because the seemed pilferage from “Angel” and “Forever Knight” to others this might not be the case. So maybe Moonlight, Swingtown and (Dare I say this seasons big budget failure!) Bionic Woman did not get the chance to create solitary between similar shows. Or maybe networks just did not give them the chance they deserve. Or maybe they just needed better writers to make these shows unique to the audiences.</p>
<p>So let’s just say we are both right in our own way. And end this argument like civilized Adults.</p>
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		<title>By: Doris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gwen, you bring up a great argument and I clearly see your side of the story. But a few problems. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1)	CSI, CSI: Miami, CSI: New York are all by the same creator and producer.  CSI: Miami, and CSI: New York are spin-offs, so in a odd way they don’t have to be unique. &lt;br&gt;2)	Comparing the CSIs and NCIS is like comparing apples and oranges. The objectives of the CSIs are forensics and stopping crime within one city. While NCIS is global and main objective is stopping terrorism. Therefore NCIS is not a derivative of CSI.&lt;br&gt;3)	It would be different if Moonlight was created by Joss Whedon, David Greenwalt, Barney Cohen or James D. Parriott.  Moonlight was a rip-off, plain and simple. Thus you have to be crazy to think it’s unique. &lt;br&gt;4)	 You act like I am the only one who thinks that it’s to close to Angel for comfort. At the time the pilot was aired, several critics complained that it was close to Angel. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So there, you have it. That is my side of things. But thank-you for bringing up a good argument and I am sorry if I came off a little mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gwen, you bring up a great argument and I clearly see your side of the story. But a few problems. </p>
<p>1)	CSI, CSI: Miami, CSI: New York are all by the same creator and producer.  CSI: Miami, and CSI: New York are spin-offs, so in a odd way they don’t have to be unique. <br />2)	Comparing the CSIs and NCIS is like comparing apples and oranges. The objectives of the CSIs are forensics and stopping crime within one city. While NCIS is global and main objective is stopping terrorism. Therefore NCIS is not a derivative of CSI.<br />3)	It would be different if Moonlight was created by Joss Whedon, David Greenwalt, Barney Cohen or James D. Parriott.  Moonlight was a rip-off, plain and simple. Thus you have to be crazy to think it’s unique. <br />4)	 You act like I am the only one who thinks that it’s to close to Angel for comfort. At the time the pilot was aired, several critics complained that it was close to Angel. </p>
<p>So there, you have it. That is my side of things. But thank-you for bringing up a good argument and I am sorry if I came off a little mean.</p>
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		<title>By: Gwen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gwen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doris, if Moonlight was a derivative of any show it would be &quot;Forever Knight&quot; rather than Angel.   &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And if shows have to be original to be unique then why are CSI: Miami, CSI: New York and NCIS hits?  They are all derivative of CSI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doris, if Moonlight was a derivative of any show it would be &#8220;Forever Knight&#8221; rather than Angel.   </p>
<p>And if shows have to be original to be unique then why are CSI: Miami, CSI: New York and NCIS hits?  They are all derivative of CSI.</p>
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		<title>By: Septbday</title>
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		<dc:creator>Septbday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Holly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Robert Seidman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Seidman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank for that clarification Holly (the regular), I was wondering what had gotten into you! ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank for that clarification Holly (the regular), I was wondering what had gotten into you! <img src='http://tvbythenumbers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Holly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just for clarity, the above post was a different Holly than the one who usually comments here.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I still think CBS was right to cancel Moonlight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for clarity, the above post was a different Holly than the one who usually comments here.</p>
<p>I still think CBS was right to cancel Moonlight.</p>
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		<title>By: Steinmiller</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/08/10/cbs-swingtown-wanting-to-believe-in-santa-claus/4642#comment-12900</link>
		<dc:creator>Steinmiller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Swingtown - another smart show overlooked by a stupid populace that is American Viewers, truly a shame.</description>
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		<title>By: Event Horizon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Event Horizon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would anyone wonder why Ghost Whisperer hangs on while Swingtown got (or will) get axed?  Only someone in Hollyweird.... Jennifer Love Hewitt is easy on the eyes for starters. And it costs alot less to make than a drama with a large cast like Swingtown.  Plus Swingtown is creepy and sleazy - some people watched it the way they do those soft core porn movies on Showtime or HBO.  You can watch it for awhile as a novelty or a guilty pleasure but after awhile, what else is there to see? More wife swapping, more three-somes? Yawwwwwwwwwwwn. Some people probably watched Swingtown pining for the tacky 70s fashions, porn star style mustaches, chest hair and and sticky floor atmosphere of the series.  But in time they remembered why the 70s were awful - Nixon/Ford/Carter/stagflation/high inflation and turned the channel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would anyone wonder why Ghost Whisperer hangs on while Swingtown got (or will) get axed?  Only someone in Hollyweird&#8230;. Jennifer Love Hewitt is easy on the eyes for starters. And it costs alot less to make than a drama with a large cast like Swingtown.  Plus Swingtown is creepy and sleazy &#8211; some people watched it the way they do those soft core porn movies on Showtime or HBO.  You can watch it for awhile as a novelty or a guilty pleasure but after awhile, what else is there to see? More wife swapping, more three-somes? Yawwwwwwwwwwwn. Some people probably watched Swingtown pining for the tacky 70s fashions, porn star style mustaches, chest hair and and sticky floor atmosphere of the series.  But in time they remembered why the 70s were awful &#8211; Nixon/Ford/Carter/stagflation/high inflation and turned the channel.</p>
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		<title>By: Tina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 05:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Linda Im with you in that it beat reality TV.  Unfortunately reality TV still gets the numbers.     It must be really cheap to make, I guess?</description>
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