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	<title>Comments on: Thoughts on SciFi Cancelling Stargate Atlantis</title>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/08/21/thoughts-on-scifi-cancelling-stargate-atlantis/4750#comment-50590</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reality, TV shows make money off advertising vs Movies making money off sales. 

With DVR&#039;s, Tivo, etc. Many people no longer watch comercials at all.  Advertisers are aware of this and now pay alot less for comercial advertising then they used too. With this change most big budget TV shows, not just Atlantis are running a deficit for the networks, causing networks to shed even succesful shows unless they continue to bring in more customers than each previous year as with every year now the networks are making less and less money per customer on advertising.

I believe network television as a whole is dying and already you can see this as most shows are now being providing ina pay per view format as an alternative to the networks.  As this becomes more popular you will see a dynamic change in how TV is displayed in general.  

Once the networks finally die there will no longer be a need for a show to fit a specific time interval, rather the time interval for each episode can be flexible to fit the story line.  Frankly I just can&#039;t wait for netwrks to die and video on demand to take the place of them.

Anyways, to get back to my point, DVD releases are about as close as you can come right now to this format, so it is a natural progression for shows that are good, but not good enough to sustain these failing networks, to make the move to DVD. 

I for one am glad that the Stargate franchise continues to live on, even as networks struggle not to collapse under their own weight.  I think it is a smart move on the part of the producers and after all someone has to start the new trend, why not Stargate!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reality, TV shows make money off advertising vs Movies making money off sales. </p>
<p>With DVR&#8217;s, Tivo, etc. Many people no longer watch comercials at all.  Advertisers are aware of this and now pay alot less for comercial advertising then they used too. With this change most big budget TV shows, not just Atlantis are running a deficit for the networks, causing networks to shed even succesful shows unless they continue to bring in more customers than each previous year as with every year now the networks are making less and less money per customer on advertising.</p>
<p>I believe network television as a whole is dying and already you can see this as most shows are now being providing ina pay per view format as an alternative to the networks.  As this becomes more popular you will see a dynamic change in how TV is displayed in general.  </p>
<p>Once the networks finally die there will no longer be a need for a show to fit a specific time interval, rather the time interval for each episode can be flexible to fit the story line.  Frankly I just can&#8217;t wait for netwrks to die and video on demand to take the place of them.</p>
<p>Anyways, to get back to my point, DVD releases are about as close as you can come right now to this format, so it is a natural progression for shows that are good, but not good enough to sustain these failing networks, to make the move to DVD. </p>
<p>I for one am glad that the Stargate franchise continues to live on, even as networks struggle not to collapse under their own weight.  I think it is a smart move on the part of the producers and after all someone has to start the new trend, why not Stargate!</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/08/21/thoughts-on-scifi-cancelling-stargate-atlantis/4750#comment-44159</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 23:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been fuming about this cancellation for months. It&#039;s hopeless and frustrating. I agree with T.J.&#039;s assessment--it seems to me Brad Wright wants to do a new show and he didn&#039;t try to fight to save Atlantis.  I thought season five had some great stories, and I love the rapport between Sheppard and McKay. There has been great chemistry between all the cast members since it began with Rising. (I love Amanda Tapping, but Sanctuary&#039;s characters have no chemistry.) It&#039;s a slap in the face to us older fans if Wright and company are making Universe to bring in a younger audience, as he said.  And since MGM is footing the bill, they&#039;re being hypocritical to say they cancelled Atlantis because of the money issue. I think SGA&#039;s producers told them to do it; they&#039;d rather do SGU instead.  There&#039;s little we can do, which is why I&#039;ve been fuming, except wait for the DVD movies.  But one two-hour movie does not equal a season. I&#039;m sure going to miss Sheppard, McKay, and the gang. And Woolsey was beginning to grow on me.  Boy, I hate this decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been fuming about this cancellation for months. It&#8217;s hopeless and frustrating. I agree with T.J.&#8217;s assessment&#8211;it seems to me Brad Wright wants to do a new show and he didn&#8217;t try to fight to save Atlantis.  I thought season five had some great stories, and I love the rapport between Sheppard and McKay. There has been great chemistry between all the cast members since it began with Rising. (I love Amanda Tapping, but Sanctuary&#8217;s characters have no chemistry.) It&#8217;s a slap in the face to us older fans if Wright and company are making Universe to bring in a younger audience, as he said.  And since MGM is footing the bill, they&#8217;re being hypocritical to say they cancelled Atlantis because of the money issue. I think SGA&#8217;s producers told them to do it; they&#8217;d rather do SGU instead.  There&#8217;s little we can do, which is why I&#8217;ve been fuming, except wait for the DVD movies.  But one two-hour movie does not equal a season. I&#8217;m sure going to miss Sheppard, McKay, and the gang. And Woolsey was beginning to grow on me.  Boy, I hate this decision.</p>
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		<title>By: Mcjoz2 (YouTube)</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/08/21/thoughts-on-scifi-cancelling-stargate-atlantis/4750#comment-42999</link>
		<dc:creator>Mcjoz2 (YouTube)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 04:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi I&#039;m mcjoz2. I&#039;m 15 and am extreamly upset that the cansels SGA first they cancel SG1 but Atlantis was there to fill the void but now there&#039;s nothing I might as well go to school come home and sleep there&#039;s nothing else for me now my email is Mcjoz1993@yahoo.com feel free to leave me emails I will have all the time in the world now...  :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi I&#8217;m mcjoz2. I&#8217;m 15 and am extreamly upset that the cansels SGA first they cancel SG1 but Atlantis was there to fill the void but now there&#8217;s nothing I might as well go to school come home and sleep there&#8217;s nothing else for me now my email is <a href="mailto:Mcjoz1993@yahoo.com">Mcjoz1993@yahoo.com</a> feel free to leave me emails I will have all the time in the world now&#8230;  <img src='http://tvbythenumbers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: skippy</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/08/21/thoughts-on-scifi-cancelling-stargate-atlantis/4750#comment-42829</link>
		<dc:creator>skippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 04:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked SGA I thought it was a very good show, and yes, there are always critics and I, thank the good Lord, am not...I liked all the shows one of the best was Babylon 5, now there too was an excellent show the bit the dust because of &quot; production &quot; cost...it seems as though when companys like mgm come up with a good program, they must expect, that if it is a hit that is going to be a given...like good american merchandise all has a fail date built into it..tv shows, good ones, are no exception...oh well......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked SGA I thought it was a very good show, and yes, there are always critics and I, thank the good Lord, am not&#8230;I liked all the shows one of the best was Babylon 5, now there too was an excellent show the bit the dust because of &#8221; production &#8221; cost&#8230;it seems as though when companys like mgm come up with a good program, they must expect, that if it is a hit that is going to be a given&#8230;like good american merchandise all has a fail date built into it..tv shows, good ones, are no exception&#8230;oh well&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pel the Yendi</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/08/21/thoughts-on-scifi-cancelling-stargate-atlantis/4750#comment-42707</link>
		<dc:creator>Pel the Yendi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 10:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They should make a series based on Steven Brust &quot;Taltos&quot; books.</description>
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		<title>By: David Hornbrook</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/08/21/thoughts-on-scifi-cancelling-stargate-atlantis/4750#comment-40252</link>
		<dc:creator>David Hornbrook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well this whole thing took me by surprice.  I just this season my wife just started watching it.  She wanted to understand what I saw in the show.  I always looked forward each week to watch the new Stargate show.  I felt crushed when they ended Star Trek Enterprise, early.  Now I may affend some of you by mentioning Star Trek, but you know it was something I enjoyed watching as well as Stargate.  When it comes down to it, I think some of the resent Battlestar episodes was little stale.  Nothing like the first couple of seasons.  But hey they are ending that show as well.  But at least this one was planned. 

Well I guess I will have time to do other stuff now.  Since there will be nothing on TV anymore.  Except reality tv.  Which is something I will not or can not handle to watch anymore.

Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well this whole thing took me by surprice.  I just this season my wife just started watching it.  She wanted to understand what I saw in the show.  I always looked forward each week to watch the new Stargate show.  I felt crushed when they ended Star Trek Enterprise, early.  Now I may affend some of you by mentioning Star Trek, but you know it was something I enjoyed watching as well as Stargate.  When it comes down to it, I think some of the resent Battlestar episodes was little stale.  Nothing like the first couple of seasons.  But hey they are ending that show as well.  But at least this one was planned. </p>
<p>Well I guess I will have time to do other stuff now.  Since there will be nothing on TV anymore.  Except reality tv.  Which is something I will not or can not handle to watch anymore.</p>
<p>Dave</p>
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		<title>By: innes wood</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/08/21/thoughts-on-scifi-cancelling-stargate-atlantis/4750#comment-25344</link>
		<dc:creator>innes wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 03:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well please dont cancel the show its great and wonderful</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well please dont cancel the show its great and wonderful</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Parada</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/08/21/thoughts-on-scifi-cancelling-stargate-atlantis/4750#comment-22067</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Parada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 02:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi. I&#039;m An avid viewer of Stargate Atlantis. I believe I have figured out why they are cancelling the show for movies. I believe they want to tell more detailed and longer, stories. The hour for the show&#039;s episodes are too short, for the stories they want to tell. The movie format would and will allow them to divulge into greater, and more thorough stories. Otherwise, I believe they would need to make 2 or more sequential episodes to finish these stories. I believe they think it&#039;s too expensive to divide an idea into 2 or more episodes.
Plus, They know that stargate atlantis movies would have a bigger and better budget that  they could use, and would be a bigger budget and cost less than 3 episodes to tell one story.

Anyway, That&#039;s what I think.
Feel free to comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi. I&#8217;m An avid viewer of Stargate Atlantis. I believe I have figured out why they are cancelling the show for movies. I believe they want to tell more detailed and longer, stories. The hour for the show&#8217;s episodes are too short, for the stories they want to tell. The movie format would and will allow them to divulge into greater, and more thorough stories. Otherwise, I believe they would need to make 2 or more sequential episodes to finish these stories. I believe they think it&#8217;s too expensive to divide an idea into 2 or more episodes.<br />
Plus, They know that stargate atlantis movies would have a bigger and better budget that  they could use, and would be a bigger budget and cost less than 3 episodes to tell one story.</p>
<p>Anyway, That&#8217;s what I think.<br />
Feel free to comment.</p>
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		<title>By: a</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/08/21/thoughts-on-scifi-cancelling-stargate-atlantis/4750#comment-21087</link>
		<dc:creator>a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a shame to see such a good show stopped because of money issues</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a shame to see such a good show stopped because of money issues</p>
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		<title>By: byeu</title>
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		<dc:creator>byeu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i will probably give the new SG a chance, but they are already babbling about a younger audience. They make me want to scream!!!  Even though I am a scifi fan from way back, I never watched SG at all until my &quot;then&quot; 19 year old son wanted me to watch it with him, and that was about four years ago. Talk about being in an alternate universe!!! Sheesh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i will probably give the new SG a chance, but they are already babbling about a younger audience. They make me want to scream!!!  Even though I am a scifi fan from way back, I never watched SG at all until my &#8220;then&#8221; 19 year old son wanted me to watch it with him, and that was about four years ago. Talk about being in an alternate universe!!! Sheesh!</p>
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		<title>By: TJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>TJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup I guess I was wrong on that part, though we&#039;ll have to wait and see on that front. But if you check out Brad Wrights interview on &lt;a href=&quot;http://Gateworld.net&quot;&gt;Gateworld.net&lt;/a&gt; you&#039;ll see the decision was supposedly a &#039;mutual&#039; one between MGM, Scifi and Stargate Productions (aka Brad Wright &amp; Robert Cooper) NOT just Scifi cancelling the show. Brad Wright positively seem happy to see the back of SGA and is &#039;excited&#039; about the change of format, very different from the attitude to SG1&#039;s cancellation. Its an interesting read, and its pretty clear there were some alterior motives that went into the decision. I mean, who cancels their own show when the ratings are on the up to &#039;go out on top&#039;? I still wonder if SGU will end up on MGM&#039;s channel and how much of a say Scifi had in SGA ending, they cant exactly renew a show if the producers dont want to make it anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup I guess I was wrong on that part, though we&#39;ll have to wait and see on that front. But if you check out Brad Wrights interview on <a href="http://Gateworld.net">Gateworld.net</a> you&#39;ll see the decision was supposedly a &#39;mutual&#39; one between MGM, Scifi and Stargate Productions (aka Brad Wright &#038; Robert Cooper) NOT just Scifi cancelling the show. Brad Wright positively seem happy to see the back of SGA and is &#39;excited&#39; about the change of format, very different from the attitude to SG1&#39;s cancellation. Its an interesting read, and its pretty clear there were some alterior motives that went into the decision. I mean, who cancels their own show when the ratings are on the up to &#39;go out on top&#39;? I still wonder if SGU will end up on MGM&#39;s channel and how much of a say Scifi had in SGA ending, they cant exactly renew a show if the producers dont want to make it anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Seidman</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/08/21/thoughts-on-scifi-cancelling-stargate-atlantis/4750#comment-15083</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Seidman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I updated the post with that info about 20 minutes ago.  It definitely appears as if Universe will air on SciFi and not MGM&#039;s new channel as speculated on above in the comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I updated the post with that info about 20 minutes ago.  It definitely appears as if Universe will air on SciFi and not MGM&#39;s new channel as speculated on above in the comments.</p>
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		<title>By: byeu</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/08/21/thoughts-on-scifi-cancelling-stargate-atlantis/4750#comment-15082</link>
		<dc:creator>byeu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Hollywood Reporter is reporting that Scifi will be showing the new Stargate franchise, Stargate Universe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Hollywood Reporter is reporting that Scifi will be showing the new Stargate franchise, Stargate Universe.</p>
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		<title>By: Outlander</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/08/21/thoughts-on-scifi-cancelling-stargate-atlantis/4750#comment-15076</link>
		<dc:creator>Outlander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Hugh,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I miss the boat on things far more than I care to admit.  While your theory (i.e., that MGM pulled the rug out from under SciFi in order to focus on more profitable DVD sales) makes sense to me, the articles and press releases I&#039;ve reviewed don&#039;t say that MGM cancelled the show rather than SciFi.  Do you have inside knowledge on this?  Or, if not, can you point us to whatever you reviewed that led you to your conclusion?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t know what the percentages are on the movies and the show.  I do know that the first SG1 movie made $8.9 MM (budget of $7 MM) and the second SG1 movie has so far made $6.4 MM (budget of $7 MM).  (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.the-numbers.com&quot;&gt;www.the-numbers.com&lt;/a&gt;).  Assuming that by year&#039;s end, the two movies make a combined $20 MM in revenue, how much profit is that for MGM?  And, how likely will new movies be to sell well once the show is off the air?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Hugh,</p>
<p>I miss the boat on things far more than I care to admit.  While your theory (i.e., that MGM pulled the rug out from under SciFi in order to focus on more profitable DVD sales) makes sense to me, the articles and press releases I&#39;ve reviewed don&#39;t say that MGM cancelled the show rather than SciFi.  Do you have inside knowledge on this?  Or, if not, can you point us to whatever you reviewed that led you to your conclusion?</p>
<p>I don&#39;t know what the percentages are on the movies and the show.  I do know that the first SG1 movie made $8.9 MM (budget of $7 MM) and the second SG1 movie has so far made $6.4 MM (budget of $7 MM).  (<a href="http://www.the-numbers.com">http://www.the-numbers.com</a>).  Assuming that by year&#39;s end, the two movies make a combined $20 MM in revenue, how much profit is that for MGM?  And, how likely will new movies be to sell well once the show is off the air?</p>
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		<title>By: T</title>
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		<dc:creator>T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 06:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The entire 5th season will be made, I think they&#039;re filming one of their last few episodes now and usually finish filming for the season in mid-October.</description>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 05:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so will SGA finish right now or will the entire fith series be made</description>
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		<title>By: BigAl</title>
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		<dc:creator>BigAl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 05:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If MGM holds to there desicion to end Atlantis with season 5, I will never buy another Gate DVD or watch any other Gate Incarnation (why should I ? they will just cancel it to after getting me hooked)</description>
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		<title>By: TJ</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/08/21/thoughts-on-scifi-cancelling-stargate-atlantis/4750#comment-15059</link>
		<dc:creator>TJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course they will costs with the start of a new show. But the crew will remain the same, as I&#039;m sure will the fx team, the writers, etc. The cast salaries are a significant but not the biggest chunk of the budget. And even though &#039;Stargate&#039; is a solid franchise, you&#039;re still going to need at least 1 name/face to help promote it if you want to pull in a new audience as well as the fanbase. The guys making the big money are the writer/producers who are no doubt on MILLIONS a year, and while we&#039;re not sure who will be moving over to SGU...you can garantee the majority of &#039;Universe&#039;s&#039; writers will be from this stable (my money is on Gero going over, and as a &#039;Exec Prod&#039; for SGA...well I&#039;m sure you could get a couple of main cast members salary out of his). &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So the costs aren&#039;t going to be significantly different. The BIG difference is the return on investment MGM will get. No more splitting anything with a broadcaster like Scifi, they have the control and therefore the profit. The DVD movies are an example of this. MGM gets the lions share from their sale in its pocket PLUS the broadcast sale to Scifi. It&#039;s all about the bottom line.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You have to ask yourself this. If MGM wasn&#039;t launching its new cable channel, would SGA be ending now? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As shoddy as the writings been of late, I can see SGA getting at least 1 more season, possibly with Scifi giving the producers the heads up so they can build to closure. It&#039;s in Scifi&#039;s best interests to have new Stargate right now for example, to support &#039;Sanctary&#039; (whose fanbase is SG orientated thanks to it being an SG alumni project i.e Amanda Tapping and Martin Woods) and not piss off the fanbase. Not to mention time to develope and try out new shows to fill the gap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course they will costs with the start of a new show. But the crew will remain the same, as I&#39;m sure will the fx team, the writers, etc. The cast salaries are a significant but not the biggest chunk of the budget. And even though &#39;Stargate&#39; is a solid franchise, you&#39;re still going to need at least 1 name/face to help promote it if you want to pull in a new audience as well as the fanbase. The guys making the big money are the writer/producers who are no doubt on MILLIONS a year, and while we&#39;re not sure who will be moving over to SGU&#8230;you can garantee the majority of &#39;Universe&#39;s&#39; writers will be from this stable (my money is on Gero going over, and as a &#39;Exec Prod&#39; for SGA&#8230;well I&#39;m sure you could get a couple of main cast members salary out of his). </p>
<p>So the costs aren&#39;t going to be significantly different. The BIG difference is the return on investment MGM will get. No more splitting anything with a broadcaster like Scifi, they have the control and therefore the profit. The DVD movies are an example of this. MGM gets the lions share from their sale in its pocket PLUS the broadcast sale to Scifi. It&#39;s all about the bottom line.</p>
<p>You have to ask yourself this. If MGM wasn&#39;t launching its new cable channel, would SGA be ending now? </p>
<p>As shoddy as the writings been of late, I can see SGA getting at least 1 more season, possibly with Scifi giving the producers the heads up so they can build to closure. It&#39;s in Scifi&#39;s best interests to have new Stargate right now for example, to support &#39;Sanctary&#39; (whose fanbase is SG orientated thanks to it being an SG alumni project i.e Amanda Tapping and Martin Woods) and not piss off the fanbase. Not to mention time to develope and try out new shows to fill the gap.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Seidman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Seidman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TJ (and Hugh) my understanding of the full lay of the land was obviously minimal.  Though I think a new show that hasn&#039;t been established yet *will* still actually be lower in cost unless they get premium actors, the details of the MGM cable channel and Universe are very interesting, and I agree in that light that SciFi&#039;s lack of mentioning it when announcing Atlantis wouldn&#039;t be renewed is very telling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TJ (and Hugh) my understanding of the full lay of the land was obviously minimal.  Though I think a new show that hasn&#39;t been established yet *will* still actually be lower in cost unless they get premium actors, the details of the MGM cable channel and Universe are very interesting, and I agree in that light that SciFi&#39;s lack of mentioning it when announcing Atlantis wouldn&#39;t be renewed is very telling.</p>
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		<title>By: TJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>TJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We know that the 3rd Stargate spin-off &#039;Universe&#039; is going ahead, and will no doubt qill still be produced at Bridge Studios. So blaming SGA&#039;s demise on costs alone doesn&#039;t hold water because those will be the same conditions the third spin off is produced under. They may cut a few costs with a new, cheaper cast but generally the production costs themselves remain the same. However, Scifi made no mention of &#039;Universe&#039; in its cancellation press release which is very telling. And as MGM has its own cable channel launching in the fall with Viacom and Lionsgate studios, I think the smart money is on MGM broadcasting the spinoff itself and cutting out the middleman.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No wonder then, that SGA was cancelled. MGM are unlikely to split the franchise by having two shows on two different cable channels, when it&#039;s new channel will no doubt be a rival to Scifi. They are also highly unlike to produce new Atlantis episodes for that channel, as its an &#039;old&#039; show and Scifi should retain the broadcast rights to SGA&#039;s first 5 seasons for some time to come. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Seems like Scifi has had &#039;Atlantis&#039; pulled out from under them. It makes sense business wise for MGM to ditch SGA and go with &#039;Universe&#039;, broadcast on their own premium cable channel. However its a bitch of a bitter pill to swallow for the fans. Not to mention utter arrogance by The Powers that Be expecting the fans to happily migrate over and hoping SGA is quickly forgotten when the new show airs (frankly the premise for &#039;Universe&#039; was pathetically awful, or just very badly synopsised and pitched). Personally I lost interest by the end of season 3 when the cast changes began and switched to just watching the show on the DVD boxsets.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&#039;Stargate&#039; has been in serious need of a reboot, but more from the writing department then the show premise. They took one of the single greatest, unsolved myths/mysteries in human history, &#039;Atlantis&#039; and instead of capitalising on it, lazily chose to rehash old film, tv and worse yet, SG1 scripts. And these are the same people writing Universe, not a good sign. I&#039;ll be sad to see it go, but maybe SGA is better off sunk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We know that the 3rd Stargate spin-off &#39;Universe&#39; is going ahead, and will no doubt qill still be produced at Bridge Studios. So blaming SGA&#39;s demise on costs alone doesn&#39;t hold water because those will be the same conditions the third spin off is produced under. They may cut a few costs with a new, cheaper cast but generally the production costs themselves remain the same. However, Scifi made no mention of &#39;Universe&#39; in its cancellation press release which is very telling. And as MGM has its own cable channel launching in the fall with Viacom and Lionsgate studios, I think the smart money is on MGM broadcasting the spinoff itself and cutting out the middleman.</p>
<p>No wonder then, that SGA was cancelled. MGM are unlikely to split the franchise by having two shows on two different cable channels, when it&#39;s new channel will no doubt be a rival to Scifi. They are also highly unlike to produce new Atlantis episodes for that channel, as its an &#39;old&#39; show and Scifi should retain the broadcast rights to SGA&#39;s first 5 seasons for some time to come. </p>
<p>Seems like Scifi has had &#39;Atlantis&#39; pulled out from under them. It makes sense business wise for MGM to ditch SGA and go with &#39;Universe&#39;, broadcast on their own premium cable channel. However its a bitch of a bitter pill to swallow for the fans. Not to mention utter arrogance by The Powers that Be expecting the fans to happily migrate over and hoping SGA is quickly forgotten when the new show airs (frankly the premise for &#39;Universe&#39; was pathetically awful, or just very badly synopsised and pitched). Personally I lost interest by the end of season 3 when the cast changes began and switched to just watching the show on the DVD boxsets.</p>
<p>&#39;Stargate&#39; has been in serious need of a reboot, but more from the writing department then the show premise. They took one of the single greatest, unsolved myths/mysteries in human history, &#39;Atlantis&#39; and instead of capitalising on it, lazily chose to rehash old film, tv and worse yet, SG1 scripts. And these are the same people writing Universe, not a good sign. I&#39;ll be sad to see it go, but maybe SGA is better off sunk.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is true. MGM pulled the plug. The ratings were actually higher than the past 2 seasons. MGM pulled the plug on SGA to make room for the third series Stargate Universe and more DVD movies which have been a HUGE success for MGM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is true. MGM pulled the plug. The ratings were actually higher than the past 2 seasons. MGM pulled the plug on SGA to make room for the third series Stargate Universe and more DVD movies which have been a HUGE success for MGM.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Seidman</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/08/21/thoughts-on-scifi-cancelling-stargate-atlantis/4750#comment-15050</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Seidman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hugh,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Great points.  Thanks.</description>
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<p>Great points.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh52</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh52</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You and Outlander have both missed the boat on your speculations as to why SciFi would have cancelled the show, because SciFi didn&#039;t cancel it--MGM did. SciFI would have been happy to carry it for at least another season. But ever since the Canadian dollar reached par (or close to it) with the American one the show has been staggering under a 30% cost increase--and that&#039;s before the inevitable cost increases that come as a show ages.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The SG1 DVDs did better than projected, and the revenues went right into MGM&#039;s pockets--no SciFI to split the profits with. With the show&#039;s creators already focussed on SGU, where&#039;s the percentage in continuing to produce 20 hours of SGA for tv when they can make more money with movies?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This has been in the wind for months. My guess? SciFi was probably the only partner that *didn&#039;t* want to see the series end this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You and Outlander have both missed the boat on your speculations as to why SciFi would have cancelled the show, because SciFi didn&#39;t cancel it&#8211;MGM did. SciFI would have been happy to carry it for at least another season. But ever since the Canadian dollar reached par (or close to it) with the American one the show has been staggering under a 30% cost increase&#8211;and that&#39;s before the inevitable cost increases that come as a show ages.</p>
<p>The SG1 DVDs did better than projected, and the revenues went right into MGM&#39;s pockets&#8211;no SciFI to split the profits with. With the show&#39;s creators already focussed on SGU, where&#39;s the percentage in continuing to produce 20 hours of SGA for tv when they can make more money with movies?</p>
<p>This has been in the wind for months. My guess? SciFi was probably the only partner that *didn&#39;t* want to see the series end this year.</p>
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