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	<title>Comments on: Can Joss Whedon&#8217;s Dollhouse Be Saved (Before it Ever Even Airs)?</title>
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		<title>By: Wesley Weston</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/09/10/can-joss-whedons-dollhouse-be-saved-before-it-ever-even-airs/5045#comment-22840</link>
		<dc:creator>Wesley Weston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 22:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw Joss Whedon kill a man in Utah!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw Joss Whedon kill a man in Utah!</p>
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		<title>By: JoJo</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoJo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dollhouse = Bionic Woman redux</description>
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		<title>By: Mike G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since Fox is after the geeks, then they must realize that those types of shows will probably not be ratings giants.  They have a very specialized audience albeit a very faithful one.  If we keep that in prospective, maybe we can all breathe a bit easier about Terminator, Fringe, and Dollhouse ratings, especially since the first two seemed to do when demographically as opposed to in overall viewers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since Fox is after the geeks, then they must realize that those types of shows will probably not be ratings giants.  They have a very specialized audience albeit a very faithful one.  If we keep that in prospective, maybe we can all breathe a bit easier about Terminator, Fringe, and Dollhouse ratings, especially since the first two seemed to do when demographically as opposed to in overall viewers.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have every confidence in Joss and Co. His shows tend to appeal to a geeky audience but that is what FOX is going for this year. Terminator and Fringe amonge the shows with massive geek appeal. 

If it doesn&#039;t hurt production why should it hurt us?  If he needs time he needs time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have every confidence in Joss and Co. His shows tend to appeal to a geeky audience but that is what FOX is going for this year. Terminator and Fringe amonge the shows with massive geek appeal. </p>
<p>If it doesn&#8217;t hurt production why should it hurt us?  If he needs time he needs time.</p>
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		<title>By: Outlander</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/09/10/can-joss-whedons-dollhouse-be-saved-before-it-ever-even-airs/5045#comment-22450</link>
		<dc:creator>Outlander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This particular show has always struck me as conceptually troubled.  That Joss Whedon is now having all this trouble with the episode is hardly surprising.

But look on the bright side, Robert and Bill...  If either 24 or Dollhouse implode, such that Fox can&#039;t air either or both of those shows in its January season, doesn&#039;t that make it all the more likely that they&#039;ll order the last 9 episodes of Terminator? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This particular show has always struck me as conceptually troubled.  That Joss Whedon is now having all this trouble with the episode is hardly surprising.</p>
<p>But look on the bright side, Robert and Bill&#8230;  If either 24 or Dollhouse implode, such that Fox can&#8217;t air either or both of those shows in its January season, doesn&#8217;t that make it all the more likely that they&#8217;ll order the last 9 episodes of Terminator? <img src='http://tvbythenumbers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 04:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117992021.html?categoryid=14&amp;cs=1

Joss Whedon is resetting his &quot;Dollhouse.&quot;
20th Century Fox TV shut down production on the midseason Fox show on Friday, and plans to resume shooting on Sept. 25.

Whedon had been busy directing two of the first three segs of &quot;Dollhouse,&quot; which kept him out of the writers&#039; room. As a result, the studio, network and Whedon agreed that the show&#039;s fourth script needed work. Whedon also requested the production reprieve to get ahead on the show&#039;s next few scripts.

Because the show doesn&#039;t bow until midseason, the shutdown won&#039;t affect &quot;Dollhouse&#039;s&quot; schedule.

Whedon earlier this summer decided to shoot a new series opener and turn the &quot;Dollhouse&quot; pilot into the show&#039;s second episode.

Also at 20th, the studio recently temporarily shut down another midseason Fox entry, &quot;24,&quot; in order to do a similar round of script tweaks.</description>
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<p>Joss Whedon is resetting his &#8220;Dollhouse.&#8221;<br />
20th Century Fox TV shut down production on the midseason Fox show on Friday, and plans to resume shooting on Sept. 25.</p>
<p>Whedon had been busy directing two of the first three segs of &#8220;Dollhouse,&#8221; which kept him out of the writers&#8217; room. As a result, the studio, network and Whedon agreed that the show&#8217;s fourth script needed work. Whedon also requested the production reprieve to get ahead on the show&#8217;s next few scripts.</p>
<p>Because the show doesn&#8217;t bow until midseason, the shutdown won&#8217;t affect &#8220;Dollhouse&#8217;s&#8221; schedule.</p>
<p>Whedon earlier this summer decided to shoot a new series opener and turn the &#8220;Dollhouse&#8221; pilot into the show&#8217;s second episode.</p>
<p>Also at 20th, the studio recently temporarily shut down another midseason Fox entry, &#8220;24,&#8221; in order to do a similar round of script tweaks.</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 03:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This show worries me. Joss Whedon with too much freedom is hardly a mainstream writer.  His shows, minus the first 3 seasons of buffy, are just a too geeky to catch fire to a mass audience.  Remember, he writes x-men comics and web musicals. Hardly mainstream fare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This show worries me. Joss Whedon with too much freedom is hardly a mainstream writer.  His shows, minus the first 3 seasons of buffy, are just a too geeky to catch fire to a mass audience.  Remember, he writes x-men comics and web musicals. Hardly mainstream fare.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Gorman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Gorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 02:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Fox cancels Dollhouse, I WILL NEVER WATCH ANOTHER SHOW ON FOX AGAIN, EVER!</description>
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		<title>By: Robert Seidman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Seidman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 02:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason, first I agree that the antics of crazy fans can&#039;t really be considered a strike against the show in any way.  But I thought it was funny.  I do however count &lt;b&gt;&lt;em&gt;completely&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/b&gt; reshooting the pilot as a strike against it, at least from a bean-counting perspective. So thats...two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, first I agree that the antics of crazy fans can&#8217;t really be considered a strike against the show in any way.  But I thought it was funny.  I do however count <b><em>completely</em></b> reshooting the pilot as a strike against it, at least from a bean-counting perspective. So thats&#8230;two.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 02:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the shutdown doesn&#039;t look good.

That said, your &quot;previous indications&quot; don&#039;t really make sense. Do crazy fans setting up a &quot;save show X&quot; site (especially considering that the producer&#039;s previous effort was a fan favorite that was cancelled quickly) really indicate that a show is troubled? And they didn&#039;t &quot;completely re-shoot the pilot episode&quot; of &quot;Dollhouse&quot; - they moved the pilot to second and shot a new first episode. (Minor side annoyance: not all pilots are first episodes, and not all first episodes are pilots.)

In other words, instead of three bad signs for this show there&#039;s... one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the shutdown doesn&#8217;t look good.</p>
<p>That said, your &#8220;previous indications&#8221; don&#8217;t really make sense. Do crazy fans setting up a &#8220;save show X&#8221; site (especially considering that the producer&#8217;s previous effort was a fan favorite that was cancelled quickly) really indicate that a show is troubled? And they didn&#8217;t &#8220;completely re-shoot the pilot episode&#8221; of &#8220;Dollhouse&#8221; &#8211; they moved the pilot to second and shot a new first episode. (Minor side annoyance: not all pilots are first episodes, and not all first episodes are pilots.)</p>
<p>In other words, instead of three bad signs for this show there&#8217;s&#8230; one.</p>
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