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| Total Viewers (million) | 15.49 | 11.86 | 7.41 | 6.82 | 4.46 | 2.90 |
| Rating/Share: Adults 18-49 | 5.0 | 3.0/8 | 2.3/6 | 2.4/6 | 1.7/4 | 1.5/4 |
| Rating/Share: Adults 18-34 | 4.3 | 1.8/5 | 1.9/5 | 2.0/6 | 1.8/5 | 1.8/5 |
Fox led the night, in both total viewers and 18-49 year olds averaging 15.49 million and a 5.0 among 18-49 year olds between 8pm to 10:33PM (Fox’s numbers above have been time zone adjusted to account for World Series viewing) . The 9:30p-10p half hour (6:30p-7p on the West Coast) had the most viewing, averaging 22.6 million. Congrats again to the Philadelphia Phillies…
The Barack Obama paid political message rated very well, scoring 26.4 million across NBC, CBS and Fox, with an impressive combined 18-49 demographic rating/share of 8.1/22. Flying solo among the broadcast networks versus Obama, Pushing Daisies was relatively pummeled, but it did actually increase average viewers by nearly a million versus last week’s airing when it only drew 5.67 million. Last night it averaged 6.64 million.
Criminal Minds held up impressively versus the World Series drawing 13.8 million, and CSI: New York averaged 13.63 million. CBS will probably take any good news it can get today.
NBC’s night isn’t worth commenting on really especially as Lipstick Jungle has already been doomed to the Friday night ghetto of broadcast television. The silver lining is that I think it might actually be able to pull more than the 4.9 million it averaged last night on Fridays. Also it was up around 700,000 viewers versus last week and improved three tenths of a point among 18-49 year olds.
Things were also fairly grim for Dirty Sexy Money, just not Lipstick Jungle style grim! It was up about 200,000 viewers versus last week but was flat week over week in 18-49 year old viewing. Private Practice isn’t going gangbusters, but it’s doing much better than Dirty Sexy Money or Pushing Daisies. It was basically flat week over week in the overnight numbers (it dropped about 5,000 viewers).
Full details:
| Time | Net | Show | Viewers (Millons) | 18-49 Rating/Share | 18-34 Rating/Share |
| 8:00 | NBC | Barack Obama Paid Political Message | 9.85 | 3.0/8 | 2.7/8 |
| CBS | Barack Obama Paid Political Message | 8.65 | 2.3/6 | 1.4/4 | |
| FOX | Barack Obama Paid Political Message | 7.92 | 2.8/8 | 2.5/8 | |
| ABC | Pushing Daisies | 6.64 | 2.2/6 | ||
| CW | America’s Next Top Model | 3.93 | 2.0/6 | ||
| 8:30 | FOX | World Series (Phillies vs. Rays) 8:30p-10p | 16.68 | 5.4/14 | |
| NBC | Deal or No Deal (8:30-10p) | 8.27 | 2.2/6 | ||
| CBS | The New Adventures of Old Christine | 7.64 | 2.2/6 | ||
| 9:00 | CBS | Criminal Minds | 13.80 | 3.4/8 | |
| ABC | Private Practice | 7.73 | 2.8/7 | ||
| CW | Stylista | 1.87 | 0.9/2 | ||
| 10:00 | CBS | CSI: NY | 13.63 | 3.4/9 | |
| ABC | Dirty Sexy Money | 6.08 | 2.0/5 | ||
| NBC | Lipstick Jungle | 4.90 | 1.9/5 |
Shows are sorted by viewers in each time slot.
Nielsen TV Ratings: ©2008 The Nielsen Company. All Rights Reserved. Source Marc Berman/Mediaweek.
Definitions:
Fast Affiliate Ratings: These first national ratings, including demographics, are available at approximately 11 AM (ET) the day after telecast, and are released to subscribing customers daily. These data, from the National People Meter sample, are strictly time-period information, based on the normal broadcast network feed, and include all programming on the affiliated stations, sometimes including network programming, sometimes not. The figures may include stations that did not air the entire network feed, as well as local news breaks or cutaways for local coverage or other programming. Fast Affiliate ratings are not as useful for live programs and are likely to differ significantly from the final results, because the data reflect normal broadcast feed patterns. For example, with a World Series game, Fast Affiliate Ratings would include whatever aired from 8-11PM on affiliates in the Pacific Time Zone, following the live football game, but not game coverage that begins at 5PM PT. The same would be true of Presidential debates as well as live award shows and breaking news reports.
Rating: Estimated percentage of the universe of TV households (or other specified group) tuned to a program in the average minute. Ratings are expressed as a percent.
Share (of Audience): The percent of households (or persons) using television who are tuned to a specific program, station or network in a specific area at a specific time. (See also, Rating, which represents tuning or viewing as a percent of the entire population being measured.)
Time Shifted Viewing – Program ratings for national sources are produced in three streams of data – Live, Live+Same Day (Live+SD) and Live+7 Day. Time shifted figures account for incremental viewing that takes place with DVRs which are currently in approximately 24.4% of all U.S. TV households. Live+Same Day (Live+SD) include viewing during the same broadcast day as the original telecast, with a cut-off of 3:00AM local time when meters transmit daily viewing to Nielsen for processing. Live+7 Day ratings include incremental viewing that takes place during the 7 days following a telecast.
For more information see Numbers 101.
Old christine went down. How come. Because it wasn’t on at 8.
Well Criminal Minds and CSI drop to a 3.4 in the demo (last week both were 4.0)
and I think Lipstick Jungle will beat DSM in the finals
Mu ha ha ha.
Pushing Daisies: 6.64 Million/2.2
Dirty Sexy Money (WITH Private Practive Lead-In!): 6.08 Million/2.0
That should distract ABC’s suits from the piemaker for the time being.
Wow, Obama did better than I expected. I wonder if this will actually sway any voters. He needs to build up his lead enough to counteract the effect of the rigged vote-switching machines. (I wonder how widespread the ES&S iVotronic and Premier a.k.a. Diebold machines are in battleground states.)
YAY it’s the Pushing Daisies season 2’s most watched episode
And not bad for Dirty Sexy Money
both of them just need 2 more million viewers just to be saved
I’m happy for this news, even though PD ratings did not increase a lot, it did show some increase in the numbers (almost a million viewers, this is great, if we take into consideration that most people are really concerned about the elections over there)…I still have hope that I’ll be able to watch the 2nd season here in Brazil!!!
I don’t think anyone should draw any conclusions about regular shows (at least those before 10pm) from last night’s numbers. They were unique in many ways.
Is there any chance you have the 18-34 data, or is it just coming later? It would be interesting to see how young (or old) the obama special skewed.
Ok, this is interesting. I compared the numbers for Wednesday 8:00pm last week and this week for each of the four broadcast networks to get week-to-week changes. The goal was to see what effect Obama’s infomercial had on ratings.
On CBS, Obama beat last week’s Old Christine by 0.6 million total viewers, but lost to last week’s Old Christine by 0.1/1 in the 18-49 demo.
On NBC, Obama beat last week’s Knight Rider by 2.6 million viewers and 0.8/2 in the 18-49 demo.
On FOX, Game 1 of the World Series beat Obama by 5 million total viewers and by 1.3/3 in the 18-49 demo.
Finally, on ABC, Pushing Daisies beat its numbers last week by 1 million voters and 0.3/1 in the 18-49 demo.
So all in all, it looks like Obama’s infomercial only benefitted NBC and, overall, fewer people (and fewer people in the demo) watched Obama than watched the shows Obama preempted this time last week. Why is this being called a “success?”
the128boy, I added the 18-34 data for the Obama ad. I may add in some of the other data later, if time allows.
30 million watching a show/ad it’s very impressive
pushing daisies did ok. Private practice leveled out, and suprisingly, DSM did ok. IF im ABC, i am not thrilled, but pleased with these results, considering the previous wednesdays results.
Outlander…comparing week over week when comparing to something like the World Series is fairly meaningless and you don’t have the half hourly data to do it justice so you’re comparing the average of the whole hour in some cases.
I don’t know who called it a success, or what the success metrics were, but my guess is it’s quite reasonable to call anything that averaged 26.4 million a success.
Outlander, you didn’t take into account Univision and the cable netlets. Surely the ratings on BET/MSNBC were higher than normal and Univision turned in pretty good numbers last night. Something has to be up because Daisies went up a million viewers yet ended up with the same rating.
Dirty Sexy money, why was it renewed? It was obviously going to flop in the ratings; ABC might be controlling Sundays but they’re falling behind on wednesdays. If they’re not careful this years poor ratings could push abc back to its years of falling ratings.
Univision numbers: 3.65 million viewers
yep, with a 1.4/4 in 18-49 and a 1.5/5 in 18-34
ABC should just revamp its entire wednesday schedule after januray; maybe do some spin-offs.
Fin, several shows from last year were brought back that would not likely have been in a normal season. But due to the writer’s strike, it was not a normal season.
Want to put up the PD numbers for the 2nd half hour to compare?
But still the writers srtike allowed a higher average as there were less episodes and in Dirty Sexy Money’s case i still feel there were clear warning signs for this.
PB drop in the half four (-7.14%) according to thefutoncriticcom
Fin, look at the poor crop of NEW shows this fall. That’s what was really the problem. If Dirty Sexy Money looked like a show that would draw higher ratings than anything that ABC chose NOT to pick up, then they did the best decision they could. Really, for my money, Pushing Daisies is the only good network launch of the last two full seasons with all the other great newbies springing up on regular & pay cable. I’d renew underperforming shows as well if the pilots I had were all garbage. Even if Dirty Sexy Money loses cash for ABC or barely pulls a profit, it’s still better than potentially losing MORE money by taking a risk that has like a 1% chance of paying off.
half hour numbers for PD:
6.782mm 2.2/6
6.504mm 2.2/6
I just heard the show is finished. ABC told them to make the 13th episode a “series finale.”
“half hour numbers for PD:
6.782mm 2.2/6
6.504mm 2.2/6″
Sorry for my ignorance about this (once I live abroad), but aren’t these good numbers for a show?
DaisiesDeathKnell,1% is a bit low, plus by your method then why didn’t they pick another garbage pilot for a show to replace Dirty Sexy Money; a new good show could potentially outperform an old one. Moreover Dirty Sexy Money’s ratings were so low a new show could a least do better with premieres; plus with last seasons Lipstick Jungles ratings ABC should have seen a opening to steal veiwers of a weak show. The risk of renewal would have been quite high aswell as veiwers would already distrust the show after the writers strike and would be unlikely to veiw it.
Anva, No. A 2.2 rating for adults 18-49 is not a survivable level for a scripted show in broadcast primetime today. Edit: For an ABC show.
“Anva, No. A 2.2 rating for adults 18-49 is not a survivable level for a scripted show in broadcast primetime today. Edit: For an ABC show”.
Oh, I see…So, this is bad then.How sad…I thought these would be good numbers. I have difficulties understanding the way these ratings work…
or perhaps Fridays…
With ‘Til Death being pulled from FOX’s schedule, PD now has the lowest score in the Renew/Cancel index to still be airing new episodes. However, tonight’s boost will probably move it ahead of a few others including Dirty Sexy Money. I posted a comment in the Renew/Cancel thread about the current mark to survive which I think is a .8
The shows currently between .8 and .9 all look VERY likely for renewal and some have even been given full season orders. Meanwhile, Terminator is at .75 and has also had more episodes ordered which can only mean that the gray area stretches as low as that number. PD will be near or around .7 by the time the index is updated next week which actually puts the series roughly into the gray area on the renew/cancel index. Again, my reasoning for all of this is that the crop of freshman pilots for the last two years has been so weak that the networks are willing to stick with shows that do 80% or 75% of the network average if that’s at least stronger than what they can expect from these would-be shows that eventually became failed pilots. So, if Pushing Daisies can honestly hold on to .7 plus, we will most certainly see all of the episodes aired and there is potential for a full season order. If PD could average a .75 with an extra boost, I really think it would have a coin toss as to having a third season depending on how week the NEXT batch of pilots is for the network.
DDK, I am reposting this from the other thread:
The Index is relative to all the other shows on a network. It’s certainly possible that it goes below 0.92, but I’d argue that last season was the generous one for show pickups because of the strike and it’s just as likely that the Index number for renewal goes *up* this season.
And also remember that the Index was derived from end of season season to date results and renewals and cancellation decisions. Don’t be fooled by orders of additional episodes this season into thinking that show is going to survive *beyond* this season.
Agree; thats why shows with ratings as low as 5.0 mil are being renewed by NBC n the others. ABC i think will be looking to revamp its wednesday slot; sometimes network averages don’t work as the difference between half of the lower rated shows might be huge to the higher rated shows; leading to an average that can’t be trusted.
Think that internet hits on shows are going to be taken into account now; seeing as this drop in rating might be linked to the rise in watching shows on network websites.
Solid points, and I’m hedging my bets completely on the Fall Crop for 2009 being creatively worse than 2008 which was worse than 2007 which was worse than 2006. Tim Goodman will back up my opinion on that one. The better a networks options, the higher their index number will go. The worse their options, the lower. I even think the stuff at midseason, aside from Dollhouse, will actually lower the network averages across the board (except for FOX, of course) and will in turn boost a show like Terminator into .8 which is safe territory for a third season if FOX’s crop of pilots is ever-so-crappy.
i can’t type in proper sentences for some reason.
Also, we don’t know how much any of these shows really costs. There’s a chance that a show like Pushing Daisies can be pulling in more money than Terminator is for FOX because it doesn’t have as many licensing fees or producers attached to it or whathaveyou. PD could be cheaper than enough of the shows in front of it in the Renew/Cancel “gray area” that it actually has a better shot at earning more episodes.
Yep but then wouldn’t a reality show for ABC be cheaper than PD?
Of course it would, but the truth is that most of the recent reality launches have been even more disastrous. I think it’s actually pretty difficult to launch a reality show on network television without it attracting anything more than a paltry audience. Look no further than America’s Toughest Jobs or Stylista to see two programs that are well below their network averages. If it were easy enough for ABC to launch a reality show that would land nearly as many viewers as PD, they’d go out and do it right now. But, unfortunately for them, this isn’t 2001.
Is criminal minds bad since it might be highly veiwed but it seems to score low in the demos when it has twice the veiwership but not twice the demo veiwership. Odd.
Fin, that’s because CBS is older skewing
DDK, you obviously are having trouble understanding the Renew Index. STD means “Season To Date,” and Pushing Daisies did not get a boost last night. In fact it did worse than its STD averages, meaning the show will DROP on the Renew Index even further. Pushing Daisies is also one of ABC’s most expensive shows. Terminator is one of FOX’s cheapest shows. You’re probably wondering how that could be, but it is factual. There are a lot of tie ins to Terminator including Dodge just to name one reason things are cheaper.
Pushing Daisies is dead. It’s over. It won’t be moving to a cable network. It might have the luck of being moved to another night like Life. That is the only hope it has. That hope btw is very, very, very small. The show does not connect well with viewers. It has steadily dropped in viewership since it premiered with amazing numbers. It doesn’t resonate well with male viewers. It isn’t for any of the crazy reasons I’ve read by Pushing Daisies fans either. The Pilot supposedly had some incredibly weak scores in certain areas that Fuller refused to change. Facts are if he had, this show would have had a better chance.
The show is gone. It did worse last night than its season averages despite having no real competition but an informercial.
and rumor is that ABC DID cancel it today, telling Fuller there would be no further orders and to make the 13th episode a series finale.
Yeah but this rise could indicate a later rise above to average so it could move up, thats what i though, so the average would raise and then get better.
Where is your source Nick?
IKE SAID: Wow, Obama did better than I expected. I wonder if this will actually sway any voters. He needs to build up his lead enough to counteract the effect of the rigged vote-switching machines. (I wonder how widespread the ES&S iVotronic and Premier a.k.a. Diebold machines are in battleground states.)
I’m sure he will, what with the ACORN sign-ups of dead people, illegal aliens, and Disney characters, and the thousands of Obama operatives voting illegally at small polling stations that have no poll watchers. Don’t worry; your guy’s going to steal the election.
Living so far away i can only wonder which of the candidates is better; i would go for Obama (don’t agree with all his policies) but the other guy is a real shit and if war came (like korea or russia, some crap like that) he’d crap his pants and run to cuba.
DDK, i think you’re fighting this battle to look at how PD could be saved pretty well but are seeing everything positive because you’re a fan of PD or looking at it as if ABC could do better or not in terms of ratings and demos.
Paul, quit the steal the election nonsense. He’s ahead in the polls by at least a 6% average. Also, ACORN is just more Fox News skewed nonsense. None of those fake people that ACORN signed up will be voting because none of them were sent voter registration cards in the first place. All the ACORN nonsense did was waste time for election boards across the country but having to show up with a photo ID and being a real person will stop all of the nonsense you’re worried about. McPain will lose the election fair & square, you know, without butterfly ballots & thousands of blacks being unfairly purged from the polls.
Nick, you have a lot of good information but Pushing Daisies DID improve in the 18-49 demos last night which is what the Renew/Cancel index is based on so it can only move upwards a tad compared to the seasonal average for the network. Not much, but a little. I do think the show is done though.
Fin, the show did worse than its averages. So the average will go down not up. The extra people who watched last night didn’t even stick around after 30 minutes. 7% decided to find anything else to watch. The numbers will be worse on the new renew/cancel index.
Cool, someone told me that off the record who works for the alphabet network (and would know). They also said Fuller was arguing about a change in night/time slot. I think the show is dead and that was the opinion of my source.
Comprehending now that the STD average for the NETWORK will also rise thanks to Pushing Daisies’s jump, but since it calculates seven nights worth of programming over the course of months, it will be minor compared to the jump Daisies will receive in its own average since there’s only FIVE in PD’s sample.
Can we please keep the political crap out of the comment sections? I come here to read about TV numbers, not random people’s political views when I can see that anywhere else.
If some people switched between CBS, NBC and FOX during the Obama infomercial would they be counted 3 times? If they watched 10 minutes on each channel? Ive heard rumors some people were told to do that if they were Nielsen families. Even if they did that would it mean anything? Or does the ratings box only count it once? Or would each network get 1/3 of a viewer?
DDK, you don’t understand how the Index works. The show DID NOT DO BETTER than its score. The seasonal average of the SHOW will be WORSE because it was watched by LESS PEOPLE than its score. 2.2M 18-49 year olds watched last night. The score is 2.6M 18-49 year olds for the season. So the show will DROP in score on the Renew Index.
The guys here have a system that is very similar to how Networks score their shows internally. Pushing Daisies dropped again after last night with ABC. It is in the process of being dropped right now. Fuller has a choice: fight for it and have the show end on a cliffhanger or rewrite the end for the fans and put a finish to it. Since it’s a fight he can’t win, he better rewrite that end.
revolutioninthehead, I agree, but we probably need to cut folks a little slack in this thread since last night there was a 30 minute political TV ad/show watched by >20 million in the US.
Thunder Mountain: the answer is no. The Nielsen averages above are derived from total minutes of viewing divided by the duration of the show. Assuming someone in a Nielsen household spent 10 minutes watching on NBC, switched to Fox for 10 minutes, and then switched to CBS for 10 minutes, they’d be counted as 1/3rd a viewer for each in the averages.
However, there is another Nielsen metric that does sometimes get bandied about — “total audience”. we rarely see such numbers and they are not utilized for our overnight reporting, but they represent the total number of people who watched at least 6 minutes. In the example above, the person would be counted three times.
Nick, but Daisies improved over its 18-49 rating from the last few weeks. Wouldn’t the average have CLIMBED by improving over previous weeks?
10
6
6
7
Let’s say the above four episodes give me a total of 29 which is an average of 7.25.
10
6
6
7
8
This gives me a total of 37 which is an average of 7.4
Now let me try something different.
34
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THis gives me a total of 49. That’s an average of 12.25
34
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This gives me a total of 57. That’s an average of 11.4
Ah, alright. I see what you’re getting at Nick. I guess the season premiere posted numbers that were MUCH, much higher than what has come since which would in turn mean that the average is indeed dropping simply because the spread between the premiere and the subsequent episodes is so low. Drat.
Ok, so I totally see how the Index works now. It’s a system where improvements aren’t gains unless a show can topple it’s overall average score. So it indeed can only go down in this situation because it didn’t match the lofty average set by the earlier episodes in the season.
@ Bill Gorman
Yes, but discussing how it might positively or negatively effect his chances is one thing while going on about ‘rigged elections’ is another
(anyway, back to normal programming. big thanks to what you guys do for this site)
DDK, basic math says that to RAISE your score you must score higher than your average. If you are a C student who recently got 2 straight Fs but got a D this term, your C average will DROP not go UP. So Pushing Daisies got … well they got another F last night despite the rise. Instead of getting a 45 or so on their test (out of 100) they got a 55 which is still an F.
I’m stunned by the people that claim Pushing Daisies gets “middling ratings,” or “comparable to other shows that were saved by smarter networks.” I see this on comments from fans on many sites. The fact is Pushing Daises has HORRIBLE not middling ratings and their ratings are not comparable to shows that were saved. Even Life has a better score than Pushing Daisies.
Life also hasn’t been “saved,” all they did was move the night it’s on to show that either more or less will watch. If numbers go up it MIGHT get saved.
Pushing Daisies is trying now to get moved to another night and hope for a miracle. It’s not going to happen. If ABC changes nights for Pushing Daisies then Fuller will have screwed his fans and not have written a finale for the show.
i think daisies fate will definitely be decided by this time next week. with the audience growth from last night the question becomes how much of it will PD retain with normal competition. if it retains alot of the audience then we might see a night/time change but if it goes back to numbers like last week than daisies is dead.
It’s perhaps more (albeit slightly) advanced than your most basic of basic math. There is more than one variable.
You could theoretically keep the same 18-49 number or even decrease it but still raise your index score…if many other shows went down. The index measures a shows’ season to date 18-49 average vs. its networks aggregate season to date average.
Rob: PD won’t air again until Nov. 19 (at the earliest).
Again, cable airings make way more sense if ABC wants this show to have a chance at survive. The Friday death slot will kill it. If they move it to ABC Family, they can let it post tremendous cable ratings and see if the budgets there to try and do something more with it. If they continue to air episodes on ABC, it won’t get them anywhere. Sure, it will milk the most viewers that ABC can and probably recoup (or make) the most money possible, but by continuing to air the show after next week’s likely significant drop in numbers from this week shows that they’re pretty much willing to let it drown.
Nov. 19th is the next episode (supposedly)? Hmm. Guess it doesn’t look good then and what a poor way to capitalize on growth. I think the same thing happened last year where an episode posted slight gains and there wasn’t a new one to air the week after. ABC will then have no reason not to disregard the current boost. The show is then absolutely DONE and the only question now is if these ratings are good enough for the remaining eight episodes to either be aired on ABC or go straight to DVD.
No matter who wins next week, I expect riots in all major cities. Either riots of celebration if Obama wins or riots of protest if McCain wins. I suspect this will result in record high tv ratings as nearly everyone will be behind lock doors watching the riots on TV.
DDK, 2.6M 18-49 year old people isn’t “lofty,” in fact that number has it ready for cancellation! The 1.9M they were scoring before last night was abysmal and definitely signs of cancellation. In fact even 2.2M is horrible.
I’ll use JERICHO as an example. Here is a show that lasted a full season but wasn’t renewed until fans pulled off their famous “save the show,” effort. JERICHO started strong 10M+ viewers for the first quarter of its season. Strong numbers. Pushing Daisies on the other hand had about 9M+ in a comparable spot. JERICHO then saw a drop to a 9M+ average for the 2nd quarter ending with a 10M+ night for the mid-season cliffhanger. A decent save. PD meanwhile dropped to 8M+ in a similar situation. However ABC saw the dwindling numbers and tried HARD to save PD, they went out of their way to promote it’s next show like gangbusters, and it worked. 10M+ watched the episode. ABC returned to normal advertising for the episode. The finale was watched by 6.85M people! A huge drop.
For the rest of this argument we’re going to compare Pushing Daisies new season with the 2nd half of JERICHO’s first season. It’s fair because PD was cut short due to writers strike. JERICHO also didn’t come back until late February Sweeps, a solid and longer wait than normal. This is where CBS screwed that show. JERICHO came back with “middling,” ratings and around 8M+ viewers in it’s 3rd Quarter. PD on the other hand debuted after it’s long wait with 6M+. JERICHO finished with 7M+, while PD is at 5M+.
JERICHO at its worst did 2.75M in the 18-49. PD did 1.9M.
In fact I’m looking at Nielsen Numbers now, and it actually looks like last night was the best night for PD yet. The numbers I have for PD are 6.3M viewers for the premiere and only 2.0M 18-49. Which dropped to 5.6M and 1.9M. So the 6.6M and 2.2M would be season highs. My numbers must be wrong then, or the score on the renew would be worse.
well the next new episode is nov 19 than this PD is done. People aren’t going to remember a 3 week gap between episodes. i just hope Fuller does get to re do the 13 episode and give the show a happy ending on dvd so it can have some closure when the dvd set sits on my shelf.
They don’t start shooting the 13th episode until Monday. So he has the weekend to rewrite the end and make it a Series Finale.
Guess there was no surprise there… but only a weekend to write a finally thats a bit harsh isn’t it?
I’d really like to see some sort of official information about PD. Here-say like “I have a buddy in the network and he says it’s a done deal and I trust him” doesn’t really sway me because it’s not the first time people come up with a line like that.
@ Alde,
Sadly, I’ve just saw this article today…
http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272623510.shtml
The chances are really not good, unfortunately
I’m happy Old Christine managed to maintain her seasonal average last night. She maintained most of the audience from the Obama program, and is staying at a good and level pace.
I know I had to correct a couple I work with about Old Christine airing last night. They didn’t think it was going to air and would have not bothered checking unless I told them otherwise. I assume there were a cluster of people that did the same, but without being corrected.
Proberly; plus most people would have been watching presidential election.
so Obama gave NBC a rare timeslot win… hehe
I wonder what PD fans will do to try to save it? If Jericho fans sent peanuts (it was peanuts right?), then what would PD fans send? Stuffed body bags like that truth.com commercial? or perhaps pies…
Sam, there’s nothing any fan of any show can do to save it other than try to get their friends with Nielsen boxes to watch. That’s it.
Simple question. Where can I get the data for the A18-34 demos please?
I’m interested in how Top Model performed.
Thank you!
CW_Chick, we may see them via CW press release today, but our normal provider of 18-34 data missed their delivery today.
CW_Chick in A18-34 it did a 2.5/8. with women 18-34 it did a 3.1/9 (not final numbers)
thanks for the 18-34 info! It looks like even when the program is exactly the same, young folks still don’t watch CBS!
Thank you Bill & Robert. I really appreciate the information you provide. Your site has actually turned into my Home Page haha!
Thanks again!
Pushing Daisies went up, whoa.
ABC Wednesdays are brutal…
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they are sending flowers!
Sad to have doubted PD’s natural ability but damn! Obama totally flattened the competition. I hope PD can last through this though!
hey bill or anyone is this ganna affect what CBS thinks about Christine? since it was a new time slot for a night?
OK,nIck,I´m a bit of an ignorant in the inner workings of tv stations,so please,explain this to me:why exactly is it that moving PD to another night would be worse then making the 13th episode the finale?Is there no chance it could thrive in another channel?
Thank you for your patience
Caio, because moving it to a new night isn’t going to save it. It’s a bad TV show. It won’t matter what night it’s on. This is not a show like Jericho, Firefly, Veronica Mars, or one of those shows where fans got really upset because the network mistreated it and ended up hurting the show. Pushing Daisies was extremely well promoted given a nice time slot, etc. Pushing Daisies failed because the show just doesn’t work. Sure some people like it, but they are a vast minority.
The premise of “touch a dead person, get 60 seconds to talk the dead,” to help solve murders isn’t a bad idea. The execution of the show is just bad. The mysteries aren’t very good at all. I think I’ve mentioned the whole “can’t touch,” nonsense. The combination just makes people change the channel.
As for PD switching networks, it is far too expensive for cable. Why people think that the show would do just as well on cable and retain the same viewership is beyond me. No matter where it would end up it would do poorly. Why? It’s a bad show. The 7M people who don’t watch it who once tried it can’t be wrong.
OK,thanks.
What about these rumours that Bryan Fuller already got word he should the last episode into the finale?Are they reliable?What are the sources?
Oh,and it wasn´t necessarily well promoted.It got less ads then other shows.
I’m not entirely certain how any show with over 10 Emmy nominations can qualify as a ‘bad show’. It’s a niche show, certainly, but ‘bad’ is an opinion, not a point of fact when the number of awards and reviews been given to it very much state the contrary.
This is more comparable to Arrested Development. Critically acclaimed, but intellectually above the head of a ‘mass audience’.
Caio, only Gray’s Anatomy saw more promotion this season. How is that less ads than other shows? Where do “fans,” get this misinformation?
Patrick, this is rather simple. PD is not “critically acclaimed,” as it has seen quite a fair amount of BAD reviews. It received nominations for things it deserved nominations for. The pilot was well directed. The sets and designs are definitely worthy of nominations.
13 million people gave Pushing Daisies a shot. 7 million of them said “no, thanks.” That to me is a bad show.
AND those nominations were for LAST season, not this season. This season is BAD. It’s not good TV. Last season was far better in quality.
Nick, as much as I hate arguing about quality, since it is very subjective, trying to claim that 7 mil people decided it was a bad show is a fallacy. 13 mil people may have sampled the first episode and decided that the counter programming is what they would prefer to watch, but that doesn’t mean they decided it was a bad show. You could just as easily argue that those 7 mil just don’t understand the show because it’s too smart. (I’m not saying that. I don’t think it’s a very smart show, even if I do love it.) Your claims are as ridiculous as those of the fans.
Nick C,
http://www.metacritic.com/tv/shows/pushingdaisies
An average score of 86 among 30 reviews qualifies very well as critically acclaimed. Certainly some critics disapproved, but some people hated Seinfeld too. And Cheers. And I Love Lucy. I have simply not seen enough evidence that the majorty of critics find it bad in even the remotest sense.
You also forgot nominations for Best Actor and Supporting Actress.
This season is, sadly, still in its infancy, returning after a strike shortened season last year. You again use the word ‘bad’ which is an opinion and not a statement of fact. I again submit, I feel the show simply flies over the intellectual heads of most people.
I love PD but is not comparable with Seinfeld, Cheers, I Love Lucy please.
Please!
I wonder if those episodes of CSINY and Criminal Minds were originals or repeats. Why didn´t ABC air the Obama Message?????
they were original episodes. you can read about ABC not airing the Obama ad here:
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/10/28/abc-hopes-to-boost-pushing-daisies-after-obama-passes/6983
Cool.
Sorry to confuse you. I was using hyperbole to make my point that saying PD has seen a fair amount of ‘bad’ reviews, but that hardly makes the show bad by any measure. I think I’ve backed up -my- statement; Simply, that it was critically acclaimed, by providing significant evidence.
No, I do not think that PD is at all on the level of Seinfeld, Cheers or I Love Lucy… All shows that did receive some bad reviews (Especially at the beginnings of their runs) but were absolutely not ‘bad’ shows.
Did ABC Just Cancel Pushing Daisies?!
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b66522_did_abc_just_cancel_pushing_daisies.html
Julia, I’m just using the same logic they use by saying it’s too smart. I say it’s just BAD. Neither can be proven… but these people claiming it’s so great, smart, etc. is just elitist. Like their opinion is somehow better than the majority. Like that article linked to by this site about “saving the show,” it’s scary that someone can think ABC owes it to everyone to keep that show on the air because it makes TV better somehow.
Patrick, I dont’ see Metacritic as proof of anything. They don’t cover ever review ever written. The show has gone down hill this season and it started going down hill last season.
Using the Emmy noms as proof of being good is just silly. Art, Makeup, Hairstyle, music & costumes were five of the nominations. It wasn’t nominated for “series,” but acting, supporting actress, writing (pilot), editing (pilot) and direction (pilot). All you can really prove is that the pilot had quality.
Cool,
Thanks for the link to Kristin’s crazy version of what DID happen today (and is the first link to something somewhat official about what I posted on here earlier). ABC flat out told them to make it a finale. No, they didn’t “cancel,” the show. They just told them to make sure the last episode “covers all bases.” Kristin thinks that means “leave things open for the possibility of more episodes.” What it really meant was make sure answer everything you can. Fuller knows the chances of his show lasting are slim and none. Slim just left the building.
The show is OVER. They were told to end it today. Yes, they were told “if things improve,” but that is the NICE way to treat someone you may have to work with again. I know what they were told today. It’s done. Finished. Do not get your hopes up.
Basically what I’m hearing from this fool Nick C. is this:
“I HATE PUSHING DAISIES! I WANT THE FANS TO WORRY BECAUSE I HAVE SO MUCH HATRED! WAAAA!”
Just stop.
Kristin is more reliable than you will ever be.
Unless you are totally psychic (i know a wiccan kid who is, lol), an ABC exec, or a creeper with a bunch of security cameras all over Pushing Daisies’ sets and locations, then you don’t know what happened.
Liah, Kristin verified exactly what I posted here earlier. I don’t hate Pushing Daisies I hate fanatics who act like their show is some how superior despite ratings. If the show was superior it would show it. Especially in a case like Pushing Daisies where ABC promoted it aggressively. I’m pretty sure my post on this site was the first posting anywhere on the internet that ABC had just told Fuller to rewrite episode 13 to be a “finale.” That is exactly what Kristin is now reporting. She however seems to think that means it could get the back 9 picked up. If that was the real case they’d have let it end in the cliffhanger.
What Kristin is doing is WRONG. She is asking people to annoy ABC in the name of her personal tastes. The show is DEAD LAST in ratings for the network. Kristin is asking people to do something that could very well hurt the careers of people behind Pushing Daisies. Fuller doesn’t need fans pissing off executives.
Also my source on this is probably just as good if not better than Kristin’s source. They asked them to re-write the episode. They told them there was still a chance. Producers are trying to get a time/night switch. It’s just not going to work.
Patrick, neither PD (which I barely tolerate) or AD (which I loved) were intellectual. Quirky, yes, but you don’t get to claim some intellectual high ground because you watch something most people don’t have the patience for or interest in. Telling us that we’re stupid for not watching PD (insert Veronica Mars, Wonderfalls, Firefly, Dollhouse also) only makes us more resolute in NOT watching it. So stop it.
Same with my beloved “30 Rock”, which is only still around because TV people love themselves some themselves and will crawl through broken glass to give Tina Emmys. But at least I realize the reasons why I’m in a very small minority.
Chris, 30 Rock is on because it’s ratings are incredibly strong in certain demos that matter. 30 Rock is in the top 5 watched shows by those who make over $100,000 a year. If it stays rated that high it will remain on the air for a long time.
Pushing Daisies isn’t rated high in anything but women 18-49, and in that category it isn’t high enough.
On the plus side for Pushing Daises, Private Practice, and Dirty Sexy Money, all three were on the upside in the ratings this week, and all three were listed in the top 20 dvr recorded shows for October. Right now Private Private is the most intriguing of the three, but all of them at least seem to be headed down the right track. The problem is that it’s just taking too long to get there and on a hot network with plenty of backup inventory waiting to debut(LOST, The Bachelor, Scrubs, and a host of reality hits from last season’s strike shortened season)suvival becomes a bit tenuous. ABC is a fiscally shrewd network and they will cancel a successfu show(Friday night’s, Women’s Murder Club) for a cheaper just as effective reality program if they deem it prudent to do so.