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	<title>Comments on: O&#8217;Reilly vs. Olbermann Through Thursday, October 30</title>
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		<title>By: T.J.</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/10/31/oreilly-vs-olbermann-through-thursday-october-30/7332#comment-32901</link>
		<dc:creator>T.J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 01:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Olbermann is kind of creepy.  I am a democrat - I should love him.  I think the SNL skit with Ben Afleck was perfect!!!  I used to watch MSNBC and now I watch O&#039;Reilly.  He just makes sense.  His reporting is fair, he does not dominate with sarcasm, and he is a kind person.  Maybe I am getting old (or maybe I am just getting wise).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Olbermann is kind of creepy.  I am a democrat &#8211; I should love him.  I think the SNL skit with Ben Afleck was perfect!!!  I used to watch MSNBC and now I watch O&#8217;Reilly.  He just makes sense.  His reporting is fair, he does not dominate with sarcasm, and he is a kind person.  Maybe I am getting old (or maybe I am just getting wise).</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/10/31/oreilly-vs-olbermann-through-thursday-october-30/7332#comment-32672</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 14:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to burst your bubble kids but taxes will be going up for everyone.  I am hoping for a strong third independent party to evolve but I know that will never happen and we are all stuck with the idiots in Washington, regardless of party, who are incompetent and could CARE LESS about the average citizen despite their blatherings about sitting around the kitchen table......it&#039;s all marketing......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to burst your bubble kids but taxes will be going up for everyone.  I am hoping for a strong third independent party to evolve but I know that will never happen and we are all stuck with the idiots in Washington, regardless of party, who are incompetent and could CARE LESS about the average citizen despite their blatherings about sitting around the kitchen table&#8230;&#8230;it&#8217;s all marketing&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Keith is the Best</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/10/31/oreilly-vs-olbermann-through-thursday-october-30/7332#comment-32261</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith is the Best</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 22:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only thing anyone can say about O&#039;Reilly vs. Olbermann is that Billo &#039;allows opposing viewpoints on his show..blah, blah, blah..How dumb do you think people are? He only has opposing guests so that he can yell over them, call them names for their views, tell them to shut up, turn off their mic (Billo Only listens to Billo) then threatens them with &#039;Fox Security&#039;. Any FOOL who thinks BO is fair to guests with opposing views is as delusional as he is. 

Have you Billo Lovers ever seen another show with a different FORMAT than BO&#039;s??
Why do you always used that tired, old line about the style of Billo&#039;s show vs Keith&#039;s? THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT SHOWS AND FORMATS!! GROW UP AND START USING YOUR OWN BRAINS INSTEAD OF LISTENING TO A LIAR LIKE BOR...SHEESH...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing anyone can say about O&#8217;Reilly vs. Olbermann is that Billo &#8216;allows opposing viewpoints on his show..blah, blah, blah..How dumb do you think people are? He only has opposing guests so that he can yell over them, call them names for their views, tell them to shut up, turn off their mic (Billo Only listens to Billo) then threatens them with &#8216;Fox Security&#8217;. Any FOOL who thinks BO is fair to guests with opposing views is as delusional as he is. </p>
<p>Have you Billo Lovers ever seen another show with a different FORMAT than BO&#8217;s??<br />
Why do you always used that tired, old line about the style of Billo&#8217;s show vs Keith&#8217;s? THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT SHOWS AND FORMATS!! GROW UP AND START USING YOUR OWN BRAINS INSTEAD OF LISTENING TO A LIAR LIKE BOR&#8230;SHEESH&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Keith is the Best</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/10/31/oreilly-vs-olbermann-through-thursday-october-30/7332#comment-32258</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith is the Best</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 22:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a 51 yr. old. female viewer who has seen many news journalists over the years (my favorite was Walter Cronkite). I&#039;ve seen enough to know that Keith Olbermann (and now Rachel Maddow) are exceptional in their political knowledge and insights. I love both of their shows and actually miss them on the weekend. 

I&#039;ve checked out several shows on Fox and truly believe they are virtually worthless as a news source. The talking points and the repeating of outright (provable)lies and constant innuendo (who is Obama? What do we REALLY know about him? Ugh..the worst journalism in the country). 
I&#039;ll always stay with MSNBC--especially Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow--for my news; they give facts;verifiable, true facts...it&#039;s so wonderful to just hear the truth and not all the smarmy, race-baiting rhetoric of Fox. Now, they&#039;re just going to be back-peddling like crazy about Obama, and no one with a respectable IQ is going to fall for any &#039;changes&#039; they may make. The damage is done,Fox. I&#039;ll never trust any of you liars again--ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a 51 yr. old. female viewer who has seen many news journalists over the years (my favorite was Walter Cronkite). I&#8217;ve seen enough to know that Keith Olbermann (and now Rachel Maddow) are exceptional in their political knowledge and insights. I love both of their shows and actually miss them on the weekend. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve checked out several shows on Fox and truly believe they are virtually worthless as a news source. The talking points and the repeating of outright (provable)lies and constant innuendo (who is Obama? What do we REALLY know about him? Ugh..the worst journalism in the country).<br />
I&#8217;ll always stay with MSNBC&#8211;especially Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow&#8211;for my news; they give facts;verifiable, true facts&#8230;it&#8217;s so wonderful to just hear the truth and not all the smarmy, race-baiting rhetoric of Fox. Now, they&#8217;re just going to be back-peddling like crazy about Obama, and no one with a respectable IQ is going to fall for any &#8216;changes&#8217; they may make. The damage is done,Fox. I&#8217;ll never trust any of you liars again&#8211;ever.</p>
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		<title>By: cattleman</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/10/31/oreilly-vs-olbermann-through-thursday-october-30/7332#comment-31686</link>
		<dc:creator>cattleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear  WHATliberalmedia:

What is disengenuous about your comments is that one does not have to look hard to see numerous blogs and even many top level reporters and EVEN Mr. Olberman himself who peddaled the idea that although the Palin skits were funny they portrayed accurately the &quot;troubling side of her deficeits.&quot;
You need to not be so patronizing as to suggest that your comment:

&quot;To be mocked on SNL is a huge honor for anyone because it shows that you make such a big impact on society and what is watched on television, that they take time to make skits about the person and make them out to be more than what they really are...&quot;

That is not at all what was said about Palin....&quot;accurate depiction&quot; was the liberal catch phrase. And it was never said by you sir that Palin was being honored for making such a &quot;huge impact on society.&quot; 

My point is that it was amazing that SNL actually portrayed the nut cake Olberman that GE fired. It was his ranting &quot;Eviscerated on all fronts&quot;  monolouge on the night of the Republican Convention complete with melodramatic and praticed head spin that got his butt canned from any future Election Anchoring. Matthews got the boot too, but it was all based on Olbermann&#039;s rant. That is a matter of record reported by the AP.

Olbermann&#039;s unfairness and his bizarre paranoias are legendary. For that to have been portrayed to the degree that it was with the depth of writing is just as noteworth as the Palin spoofs. You may not realize it with a name like whatliberalmedia.....but if you go back and read many of the articles from the time Olberman was fired you will see that it is a matter of record that there are high level people who called for his head. And they were in fact the big guys at GE who were catching hell from stockholders furious over Olberman.

It was nothing wrong in me saying that I think it accurately portrayed Olbermann&#039;s dark side that everyone, except synchopants, but even including Tom Brokaw have publicly reprimanded him for.

Olbermann is an anomaly. My prediction is that he will go out on top. He is rising there is no doubt. But he is not apparently playing with a full deck. He has many enemies and with a habbit of mocking people on a regular basis that is no wonder......but the point that was amazing about the SKIT was that it showed what many who are observing this nut already know. Olbermann is his own worst enemy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear  WHATliberalmedia:</p>
<p>What is disengenuous about your comments is that one does not have to look hard to see numerous blogs and even many top level reporters and EVEN Mr. Olberman himself who peddaled the idea that although the Palin skits were funny they portrayed accurately the &#8220;troubling side of her deficeits.&#8221;<br />
You need to not be so patronizing as to suggest that your comment:</p>
<p>&#8220;To be mocked on SNL is a huge honor for anyone because it shows that you make such a big impact on society and what is watched on television, that they take time to make skits about the person and make them out to be more than what they really are&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>That is not at all what was said about Palin&#8230;.&#8221;accurate depiction&#8221; was the liberal catch phrase. And it was never said by you sir that Palin was being honored for making such a &#8220;huge impact on society.&#8221; </p>
<p>My point is that it was amazing that SNL actually portrayed the nut cake Olberman that GE fired. It was his ranting &#8220;Eviscerated on all fronts&#8221;  monolouge on the night of the Republican Convention complete with melodramatic and praticed head spin that got his butt canned from any future Election Anchoring. Matthews got the boot too, but it was all based on Olbermann&#8217;s rant. That is a matter of record reported by the AP.</p>
<p>Olbermann&#8217;s unfairness and his bizarre paranoias are legendary. For that to have been portrayed to the degree that it was with the depth of writing is just as noteworth as the Palin spoofs. You may not realize it with a name like whatliberalmedia&#8230;..but if you go back and read many of the articles from the time Olberman was fired you will see that it is a matter of record that there are high level people who called for his head. And they were in fact the big guys at GE who were catching hell from stockholders furious over Olberman.</p>
<p>It was nothing wrong in me saying that I think it accurately portrayed Olbermann&#8217;s dark side that everyone, except synchopants, but even including Tom Brokaw have publicly reprimanded him for.</p>
<p>Olbermann is an anomaly. My prediction is that he will go out on top. He is rising there is no doubt. But he is not apparently playing with a full deck. He has many enemies and with a habbit of mocking people on a regular basis that is no wonder&#8230;&#8230;but the point that was amazing about the SKIT was that it showed what many who are observing this nut already know. Olbermann is his own worst enemy.</p>
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		<title>By: Raco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 03:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  Where do you people come from.  It&#039;s just TV.  Do you take your meds as prescribed, of do you miss a dose from time to time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  Where do you people come from.  It&#8217;s just TV.  Do you take your meds as prescribed, of do you miss a dose from time to time.</p>
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		<title>By: WHATliberalmedia?</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/10/31/oreilly-vs-olbermann-through-thursday-october-30/7332#comment-31600</link>
		<dc:creator>WHATliberalmedia?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 02:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cattlemen: What you fail to realize is that SNL is a skit show that skewers anybody and everybody... they have done it to EVERY single presidential candidate in the past and the current ones right now. To be mocked on SNL is a huge honor for anyone because it shows that you make such a big impact on society and what is watched on television, that they take time to make skits about the person and make them out to be more than what they really are. Furthermore, SNL mocking Olbermann was not an exact depiction of him, just like their depiction of Palin, McCain, Obama and Biden isn&#039;t. They just do their best to exaggerate the character and make them look stupid. For you to put so much emphasis on an 8-minute skit is ridiculous and shouldn&#039;t have any effect on Olbermann... in fact, not only will Olbermann love it, but he will probably praise Affleck for his great acting. By the way, did you know that Affleck and Olbermann are very good friends? They know each other very well, so there was nobody better to depict Keith. With you&#039;re train of thought, you think everybody is out to get Olbermann and embarrass him when its just satire and comedy on television. I understand you have disdain for Olbermann and his rants, but you need to get a life if you think an SNL skit is going to make GE change its minds and decide to fire Olbermann because they think he is crazy. For god sakes, GE owns NBC which broadcasts SNL, so they allowed the skit to happen and are okay with all the mockery that is done, even of their own. They all have a sense of humor (including Olbermann himself) and they know the meaning of comedy and don&#039;t put too much focus on it. You take it with a grain of salt and enjoy it. I expect Keith to invite his good friend Ben Affleck on Countdown to talk about the skit, and it will be great to see them appreciate each others talents, and maybe it can dissapoint your dream of Olbermann getting fired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cattlemen: What you fail to realize is that SNL is a skit show that skewers anybody and everybody&#8230; they have done it to EVERY single presidential candidate in the past and the current ones right now. To be mocked on SNL is a huge honor for anyone because it shows that you make such a big impact on society and what is watched on television, that they take time to make skits about the person and make them out to be more than what they really are. Furthermore, SNL mocking Olbermann was not an exact depiction of him, just like their depiction of Palin, McCain, Obama and Biden isn&#8217;t. They just do their best to exaggerate the character and make them look stupid. For you to put so much emphasis on an 8-minute skit is ridiculous and shouldn&#8217;t have any effect on Olbermann&#8230; in fact, not only will Olbermann love it, but he will probably praise Affleck for his great acting. By the way, did you know that Affleck and Olbermann are very good friends? They know each other very well, so there was nobody better to depict Keith. With you&#8217;re train of thought, you think everybody is out to get Olbermann and embarrass him when its just satire and comedy on television. I understand you have disdain for Olbermann and his rants, but you need to get a life if you think an SNL skit is going to make GE change its minds and decide to fire Olbermann because they think he is crazy. For god sakes, GE owns NBC which broadcasts SNL, so they allowed the skit to happen and are okay with all the mockery that is done, even of their own. They all have a sense of humor (including Olbermann himself) and they know the meaning of comedy and don&#8217;t put too much focus on it. You take it with a grain of salt and enjoy it. I expect Keith to invite his good friend Ben Affleck on Countdown to talk about the skit, and it will be great to see them appreciate each others talents, and maybe it can dissapoint your dream of Olbermann getting fired.</p>
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		<title>By: cattleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>cattleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 01:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>opps.... that should read &quot;I would hit paste (not past) and the cursor...&quot; 
I know fagburrie is checking my spelling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>opps&#8230;. that should read &#8220;I would hit paste (not past) and the cursor&#8230;&#8221;<br />
I know fagburrie is checking my spelling.</p>
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		<title>By: cattleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>cattleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 01:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Bill,
What is truly bizzare is that I could no get the url to show up on what I was writing. I only saw it once finaly. But I kept trying it over and over. I would hit past and the cursor would just blink......(?)....thanks though!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Bill,<br />
What is truly bizzare is that I could no get the url to show up on what I was writing. I only saw it once finaly. But I kept trying it over and over. I would hit past and the cursor would just blink&#8230;&#8230;(?)&#8230;.thanks though!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 23:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&quot;&quot;You claim CNN is Clinton News Network … when a president did awesome things you can be fair and praise him. Did’nt we have surplus under President Clinton.&quot;&quot;&quot;

Yeah, things were going well under Clinton, and we were running a surplus. We also had a Republican House and Senate at the time also. The last two times we had a Dem House and Senate, as well as a Dem President (Dem-Dem-Dem), were the first two years of Clinton&#039;s first term, and the 4 years that Carter was in office.

People were so happy with the Dem-Dem-Dem setup during Clinton&#039;s first two years, that in the 94 mid-terms, the Rep&#039;s gained 54 house seats, 8 senate seats, and 12 governor seats.

During Carter&#039;s four years (again, entirely Dem-Dem-Dem), the economy was bad. I don&#039;t really remember that era, as I was born in &#039;78.

It wasn&#039;t until the Rep&#039;s took over both houses of congress that things turned around. Why does Clinton get all the credit? Shouldn&#039;t the credit be shared?


&quot;&quot;&quot;Again Jim …. a cable channel is a business enterprise, so the end game is making more revenues and thus profits and guess MSNBC is now the NO.1 in that field!&quot;&quot;&quot;

Yes, it is a business, and they are out to make money. However, I don&#039;t base how good a network (or a particular show) is by the amount of ad revenue they generate. I care about demos when I am here to see if T:SCC will be stay on the air, but when discussing who has the BEST (not most profitable) news show, demographics don&#039;t play into the discussion. More &quot;people&quot; watch O&#039;reilly, but even that isn&#039;t very important. Bill allows opposing viewpoints on his show. Olbermann does not. How can you possibly have a fair show, if you only give one viewpoint? Also, we will see how well Olbermann does after Obama takes office. With nobody to beat up on, I feel he numbers will drop down big time.

While I don&#039;t support Obama, I do hope things go well under his administration. I don&#039;t think they will, as a Dem-Dem-Dem setup is likely to cause massive spending increases (just as a Rep-Rep-Rep setup has). The best times we had were when we had a Dem in the White House, and Reps in the House and Senate. Unfortunately, we are in for massive changes for at least two years, as there will be no opposition for the Dems. I prefer having the power split.

For the record, I am not a Republican. I am an Independent (or &quot;decline to state&quot;, as they say here in California). I do not have blind faith in any one side. I have not been happy with Bush, and I believe change is needed.

I consider myself a conservative leaning centrist, and I try to view everything from an independent standpoint. Many people watch MSNBC &quot;because&quot; they are liberal, or Fox &quot;because&quot; they are conservative. I step back and try to watch both, knowing that each are going to lean one way. After watching both for a while, it is clear to me that MSNBC (or more specifically Olbermann) leans farther to the left than Fox does to the right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;"You claim CNN is Clinton News Network … when a president did awesome things you can be fair and praise him. Did’nt we have surplus under President Clinton.&#8221;"&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, things were going well under Clinton, and we were running a surplus. We also had a Republican House and Senate at the time also. The last two times we had a Dem House and Senate, as well as a Dem President (Dem-Dem-Dem), were the first two years of Clinton&#8217;s first term, and the 4 years that Carter was in office.</p>
<p>People were so happy with the Dem-Dem-Dem setup during Clinton&#8217;s first two years, that in the 94 mid-terms, the Rep&#8217;s gained 54 house seats, 8 senate seats, and 12 governor seats.</p>
<p>During Carter&#8217;s four years (again, entirely Dem-Dem-Dem), the economy was bad. I don&#8217;t really remember that era, as I was born in &#8216;78.</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t until the Rep&#8217;s took over both houses of congress that things turned around. Why does Clinton get all the credit? Shouldn&#8217;t the credit be shared?</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;"Again Jim …. a cable channel is a business enterprise, so the end game is making more revenues and thus profits and guess MSNBC is now the NO.1 in that field!&#8221;"&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, it is a business, and they are out to make money. However, I don&#8217;t base how good a network (or a particular show) is by the amount of ad revenue they generate. I care about demos when I am here to see if T:SCC will be stay on the air, but when discussing who has the BEST (not most profitable) news show, demographics don&#8217;t play into the discussion. More &#8220;people&#8221; watch O&#8217;reilly, but even that isn&#8217;t very important. Bill allows opposing viewpoints on his show. Olbermann does not. How can you possibly have a fair show, if you only give one viewpoint? Also, we will see how well Olbermann does after Obama takes office. With nobody to beat up on, I feel he numbers will drop down big time.</p>
<p>While I don&#8217;t support Obama, I do hope things go well under his administration. I don&#8217;t think they will, as a Dem-Dem-Dem setup is likely to cause massive spending increases (just as a Rep-Rep-Rep setup has). The best times we had were when we had a Dem in the White House, and Reps in the House and Senate. Unfortunately, we are in for massive changes for at least two years, as there will be no opposition for the Dems. I prefer having the power split.</p>
<p>For the record, I am not a Republican. I am an Independent (or &#8220;decline to state&#8221;, as they say here in California). I do not have blind faith in any one side. I have not been happy with Bush, and I believe change is needed.</p>
<p>I consider myself a conservative leaning centrist, and I try to view everything from an independent standpoint. Many people watch MSNBC &#8220;because&#8221; they are liberal, or Fox &#8220;because&#8221; they are conservative. I step back and try to watch both, knowing that each are going to lean one way. After watching both for a while, it is clear to me that MSNBC (or more specifically Olbermann) leans farther to the left than Fox does to the right.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Gorman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Gorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 23:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cattleman, I freed your comment, but &gt; 1 URL in a comment will always get it grabbed by our spam filter. We may relax that to 2 URLs, but never 6.</description>
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		<title>By: cattleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>cattleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 22:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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This SNL skit was truly amazing. I seldom watch SNL but I just happened to tune in last night. I thought when the skit first came on it would be a fluff piece for Olbermann. I was truly stunned! It depicted the Olberman that I think truly exist. A man so in love with himself and his own perceived wittiness that he does not realize what an idiot .. a twisted demented idiot he comes off as. He at times seems slightly deranged. Rupert Murdoch who fired Olberman years ago said he was crazy.
Afleck presented a piece that no conservative could have gotten away with. It showed his melodramatic obsessions his paranoia, his adolescent obsession with harrassing anyone he deems as competion or who does not like him.
This skit even detailed how it does not matter what Bush says it is evidence of the need to bring him up on charges.
The executives at GE need to study that skit and see the message in it. It was not just funny…it was bone chillingly insightful.
I was amazed at Afleck’s intensity…..
If SNL presented even handed portrayals of the left like that on a regular basis then their ratings would blow through the ceiling.
I imagined Olberman in his house, throwing furniture around and spewing profanity and thinking of how to bring Afleck up on charges and who at Newsweek he could get to agreee with him…and then in the midst of his rage…pausing only to glance in the mirror…and then be soothed by the thought that maybe congressional hearings would reveal if O’Rielly was responsible and thus the end of Fox News all for making fun of he who cannot be challanged!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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<p>This SNL skit was truly amazing. I seldom watch SNL but I just happened to tune in last night. I thought when the skit first came on it would be a fluff piece for Olbermann. I was truly stunned! It depicted the Olberman that I think truly exist. A man so in love with himself and his own perceived wittiness that he does not realize what an idiot .. a twisted demented idiot he comes off as. He at times seems slightly deranged. Rupert Murdoch who fired Olberman years ago said he was crazy.<br />
Afleck presented a piece that no conservative could have gotten away with. It showed his melodramatic obsessions his paranoia, his adolescent obsession with harrassing anyone he deems as competion or who does not like him.<br />
This skit even detailed how it does not matter what Bush says it is evidence of the need to bring him up on charges.<br />
The executives at GE need to study that skit and see the message in it. It was not just funny…it was bone chillingly insightful.<br />
I was amazed at Afleck’s intensity…..<br />
If SNL presented even handed portrayals of the left like that on a regular basis then their ratings would blow through the ceiling.<br />
I imagined Olberman in his house, throwing furniture around and spewing profanity and thinking of how to bring Afleck up on charges and who at Newsweek he could get to agreee with him…and then in the midst of his rage…pausing only to glance in the mirror…and then be soothed by the thought that maybe congressional hearings would reveal if O’Rielly was responsible and thus the end of Fox News all for making fun of he who cannot be challanged!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: PapaBeargotPunked</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/10/31/oreilly-vs-olbermann-through-thursday-october-30/7332#comment-31559</link>
		<dc:creator>PapaBeargotPunked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 22:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another point to add the RETHUG adminstration is probably the only one which lets uneducated (Hannity (Barely Passed High School), Limbaugh (Again Barely Passed High School), and low class commentators to determine the policy direction of a great country like ours. No wonder we are almost in shambles now.

Can you believe a bunch of almost illerates determined who is appointed to the supreme court who is going to be the leader of the Rethug party etc. These people are barely literate ... dont know much about the constitution, laws, principles and fundamentals of our civilized society .... the core of our democracy. No wonder they find it so easy to trash the Habeas Corpus. They undermined habeus corpus and in my opinion should be tried for treason.

What is happening to our country, that we allow venom spewers to direct our policy rather than intellects. Dont we want the best for our country or do we want direction from ppl who could barely make it past high school but are good at talking crap. Remember you listen to Joe Six Packs like Hannity, Limbaugh, Sarah Palin you get 8 of the worst years of you life just like you had under another famous Joe Six Pack ... George Bush. So when you vote on Tuesday make sure its a vote against Joe Six Pack not because you hate Joe Six Pack but you need someone smarter to run the country. There is nothing wrong in having someone intelligent running the country. Rethugs may think otherwise but look where they got us! 

Vote Obama Biden 08</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another point to add the RETHUG adminstration is probably the only one which lets uneducated (Hannity (Barely Passed High School), Limbaugh (Again Barely Passed High School), and low class commentators to determine the policy direction of a great country like ours. No wonder we are almost in shambles now.</p>
<p>Can you believe a bunch of almost illerates determined who is appointed to the supreme court who is going to be the leader of the Rethug party etc. These people are barely literate &#8230; dont know much about the constitution, laws, principles and fundamentals of our civilized society &#8230;. the core of our democracy. No wonder they find it so easy to trash the Habeas Corpus. They undermined habeus corpus and in my opinion should be tried for treason.</p>
<p>What is happening to our country, that we allow venom spewers to direct our policy rather than intellects. Dont we want the best for our country or do we want direction from ppl who could barely make it past high school but are good at talking crap. Remember you listen to Joe Six Packs like Hannity, Limbaugh, Sarah Palin you get 8 of the worst years of you life just like you had under another famous Joe Six Pack &#8230; George Bush. So when you vote on Tuesday make sure its a vote against Joe Six Pack not because you hate Joe Six Pack but you need someone smarter to run the country. There is nothing wrong in having someone intelligent running the country. Rethugs may think otherwise but look where they got us! </p>
<p>Vote Obama Biden 08</p>
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		<title>By: PapaBeargotPunked</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/10/31/oreilly-vs-olbermann-through-thursday-october-30/7332#comment-31556</link>
		<dc:creator>PapaBeargotPunked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 21:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again Jim .... a cable channel is a business enterprise, so the end game is making more revenues and thus profits and guess MSNBC is now the NO.1 in that field!

CNN is way too center ... MSNBC on the left is what gives balance to Faux News.

You claim CNN is Clinton News Network ... when a president did awesome things you can be fair and praise him. Did&#039;nt we have surplus under President Clinton. Did we have a vibrant and growing and properous time. So it was actually fair to praise Clinton. Right wing propoganda makes you believe anything good done by a liberal is actually bad and thus CNN was Clinton News Network. In actuality its the Rethugs who have no morals and no aptitude to see or understand what is good for the country and define everything in narrow political terms and paint any good done by a liberal as bad and then defame any organization which highlights that good as in case of a completely and truly fair and balanced network like CNN. That is exactly why we need MSNBC .... to really show what the liberal bias is so that the coward Rethugs know how CNN is actually fair! haha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again Jim &#8230;. a cable channel is a business enterprise, so the end game is making more revenues and thus profits and guess MSNBC is now the NO.1 in that field!</p>
<p>CNN is way too center &#8230; MSNBC on the left is what gives balance to Faux News.</p>
<p>You claim CNN is Clinton News Network &#8230; when a president did awesome things you can be fair and praise him. Did&#8217;nt we have surplus under President Clinton. Did we have a vibrant and growing and properous time. So it was actually fair to praise Clinton. Right wing propoganda makes you believe anything good done by a liberal is actually bad and thus CNN was Clinton News Network. In actuality its the Rethugs who have no morals and no aptitude to see or understand what is good for the country and define everything in narrow political terms and paint any good done by a liberal as bad and then defame any organization which highlights that good as in case of a completely and truly fair and balanced network like CNN. That is exactly why we need MSNBC &#8230;. to really show what the liberal bias is so that the coward Rethugs know how CNN is actually fair! haha</p>
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		<title>By: Fabfugarrie</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/10/31/oreilly-vs-olbermann-through-thursday-october-30/7332#comment-31542</link>
		<dc:creator>Fabfugarrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 19:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(not Pres. Obamas fault) I like that Ohiosnow!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(not Pres. Obamas fault) I like that Ohiosnow!</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Gorman</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/10/31/oreilly-vs-olbermann-through-thursday-october-30/7332#comment-31539</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Gorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 18:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim emphasized my point again about why I like these cable news ratings posts.

There&#039;s so much data, there&#039;s something for everyone to boast about!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim emphasized my point again about why I like these cable news ratings posts.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s so much data, there&#8217;s something for everyone to boast about!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/10/31/oreilly-vs-olbermann-through-thursday-october-30/7332#comment-31538</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 18:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PBP, Fox was the balance to CNN (the Clinton News Network). I think CNN has gone more center since Fox went on the air.

And you are wrong. I care about total viewers. The American people are not advertisers. It doesn&#039;t matter what demographic advertisers care about. It helps the networks decide which shows to keep due to ad revenue, but that is a different issue than whose show is more popular overall. A LOT more people watch Bill&#039;s show. That is just a fact. Just because somebody is under 25, or over 54, doesn&#039;t mean they don&#039;t matter anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PBP, Fox was the balance to CNN (the Clinton News Network). I think CNN has gone more center since Fox went on the air.</p>
<p>And you are wrong. I care about total viewers. The American people are not advertisers. It doesn&#8217;t matter what demographic advertisers care about. It helps the networks decide which shows to keep due to ad revenue, but that is a different issue than whose show is more popular overall. A LOT more people watch Bill&#8217;s show. That is just a fact. Just because somebody is under 25, or over 54, doesn&#8217;t mean they don&#8217;t matter anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Ohiosnow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ohiosnow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 18:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We all need to protest in front of Fox and do a major sit down until they take Bill O&#039;Reilly off the air.

Obama&#039;s aunt needs a place to live also.  It&#039;s a world community out here people.  Immigrants from every country should be welcome.

So what if she doesn&#039;t have the proper paperwork.  It&#039;s not Pres. Obama&#039;s fault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all need to protest in front of Fox and do a major sit down until they take Bill O&#8217;Reilly off the air.</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s aunt needs a place to live also.  It&#8217;s a world community out here people.  Immigrants from every country should be welcome.</p>
<p>So what if she doesn&#8217;t have the proper paperwork.  It&#8217;s not Pres. Obama&#8217;s fault.</p>
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		<title>By: PapaBeargotPunked</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/10/31/oreilly-vs-olbermann-through-thursday-october-30/7332#comment-31531</link>
		<dc:creator>PapaBeargotPunked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 18:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Bill you&#039;ll have to admit there was no balance in 2004 to the vicious propoganda of Faux Noise and talk radio. Atleast in 2008 there is a semblance of balance with MSNBC furthering the liberals. In McCain uses O&#039;Reilly and Hannity to spout extreme right talking points the left now had Keith and Rachel.

The waredrobe issue, Palin&#039;s dumbness, McCain&#039;s erratic behavior, Vetting of Palin, Todd&#039;s Traitor tendencies etc. would never have received review and constant coverage if it were&#039;nt for MSNBC. Faux barely covered that story and other networks and CNN covered it mainly because MSNBC was getting good ratings covering it so they jumped on the bandwagon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Bill you&#8217;ll have to admit there was no balance in 2004 to the vicious propoganda of Faux Noise and talk radio. Atleast in 2008 there is a semblance of balance with MSNBC furthering the liberals. In McCain uses O&#8217;Reilly and Hannity to spout extreme right talking points the left now had Keith and Rachel.</p>
<p>The waredrobe issue, Palin&#8217;s dumbness, McCain&#8217;s erratic behavior, Vetting of Palin, Todd&#8217;s Traitor tendencies etc. would never have received review and constant coverage if it were&#8217;nt for MSNBC. Faux barely covered that story and other networks and CNN covered it mainly because MSNBC was getting good ratings covering it so they jumped on the bandwagon.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Gorman</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/10/31/oreilly-vs-olbermann-through-thursday-october-30/7332#comment-31523</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Gorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 17:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PBP, you might think Kerry lost in 2004 because of the media, but he never had a chance because he wasn&#039;t &lt;a href=&quot;http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/10/25/presidential-election-winner-apply-the-law-of-14/6836&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Fresh&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. The Left wised up this time around and went with &lt;a href=&quot;http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/10/25/presidential-election-winner-apply-the-law-of-14/6836&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Freshness&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. Perhaps they&#039;re learning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PBP, you might think Kerry lost in 2004 because of the media, but he never had a chance because he wasn&#8217;t <a href="http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/10/25/presidential-election-winner-apply-the-law-of-14/6836" rel="nofollow"><em>Fresh</em></a>. The Left wised up this time around and went with <a href="http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/10/25/presidential-election-winner-apply-the-law-of-14/6836" rel="nofollow"><em>Freshness</em></a>. Perhaps they&#8217;re learning.</p>
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		<title>By: PapaBeargotPunked</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/10/31/oreilly-vs-olbermann-through-thursday-october-30/7332#comment-31520</link>
		<dc:creator>PapaBeargotPunked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 16:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim .... Sure MSNBC is left leaning but it was needed to end the charade of Faux Noise. John Kerry probably lost in 2004 because all networks and CNN were fair and Faux Noise was so ultra right and thus skewed the media really rightwards. Now with MSNBC there atleast there is a balance with keeps Faux Noise in somewhat check.

Again Jim NO ONE cares about the total viewers ... more geezers for O&#039;Reilly is not a big deal! The ad rates depend on the key demo and as it stands today MSNBC is in a position to charge higher ad rates than Faux News and since cable channels are commmercial enterprise revenues and thus profits is their sole goal (could be propoganda in Faux&#039;s case) and at that MSNBC should now start handily beating Faux Noise.

Also I hear for certain reliable sources that Rosie O Donald and Bill Maher are in talks with MSNBC and with them added to the line up expect audiences to explode even more and Faux rendered as an inconsequential propoganda outfit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim &#8230;. Sure MSNBC is left leaning but it was needed to end the charade of Faux Noise. John Kerry probably lost in 2004 because all networks and CNN were fair and Faux Noise was so ultra right and thus skewed the media really rightwards. Now with MSNBC there atleast there is a balance with keeps Faux Noise in somewhat check.</p>
<p>Again Jim NO ONE cares about the total viewers &#8230; more geezers for O&#8217;Reilly is not a big deal! The ad rates depend on the key demo and as it stands today MSNBC is in a position to charge higher ad rates than Faux News and since cable channels are commmercial enterprise revenues and thus profits is their sole goal (could be propoganda in Faux&#8217;s case) and at that MSNBC should now start handily beating Faux Noise.</p>
<p>Also I hear for certain reliable sources that Rosie O Donald and Bill Maher are in talks with MSNBC and with them added to the line up expect audiences to explode even more and Faux rendered as an inconsequential propoganda outfit.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hannity has Alan Colmes on the same show.

Now, MSNBC has Olbermann and Matthews. Those guy are further to the left than O&#039;reilly is to the right. Olbermann doesn&#039;t even put anyboy on his show who disagrees with him. Say what you will about Fox. At least they put on people with opposing viewpoints

Anybody who doesn&#039;t see that MSNBC is at LEAST as biased as Fox News, has been blinded by their hatred of conservatism. Both channels are biased! MSNBC more so. Why is it that only Fox gets called out on it? If you want fair and impartial news, why don&#039;t you call out MSNBC for their biased reporting as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hannity has Alan Colmes on the same show.</p>
<p>Now, MSNBC has Olbermann and Matthews. Those guy are further to the left than O&#8217;reilly is to the right. Olbermann doesn&#8217;t even put anyboy on his show who disagrees with him. Say what you will about Fox. At least they put on people with opposing viewpoints</p>
<p>Anybody who doesn&#8217;t see that MSNBC is at LEAST as biased as Fox News, has been blinded by their hatred of conservatism. Both channels are biased! MSNBC more so. Why is it that only Fox gets called out on it? If you want fair and impartial news, why don&#8217;t you call out MSNBC for their biased reporting as well?</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Voter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blue Voter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 14:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Proof: Fixed news hired Huckabee, a far right-wing guy to host a show devoted to talk down on Obama.  Huckabee consistently talks down on Obama and gives the McCain talking points. Now Faux Noise has Hannity, Billo Factor, Huckabee Show and all their repubs that come on to bash the dems daily.  Enough is enough of this right-wing tank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Proof: Fixed news hired Huckabee, a far right-wing guy to host a show devoted to talk down on Obama.  Huckabee consistently talks down on Obama and gives the McCain talking points. Now Faux Noise has Hannity, Billo Factor, Huckabee Show and all their repubs that come on to bash the dems daily.  Enough is enough of this right-wing tank.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 07:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Calling the station &quot;Faux Noise&quot; just because Olbermann calls it that, doesn&#039;t make it clever to say.

I saw Olbermann bragging yesterday how his show beat O&#039;reilly&#039;s show 7 out of the last 13 days in the demo. He called Bill out for asking for an investigation into the numbers. Olbermann said Bill was number 2 because &quot;you suck&quot;. Well, he should probably have mentioned that 7 out of 13 is not a big victory, and that the numbers are exremely close in the demographic. However, in TOTAL viewers, Olbermann gets CRUSHED by O&#039;reilly. Because he squeaks by in a demo, he thinks he is the new king. Somebody should tell him that many more people watch the other guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calling the station &#8220;Faux Noise&#8221; just because Olbermann calls it that, doesn&#8217;t make it clever to say.</p>
<p>I saw Olbermann bragging yesterday how his show beat O&#8217;reilly&#8217;s show 7 out of the last 13 days in the demo. He called Bill out for asking for an investigation into the numbers. Olbermann said Bill was number 2 because &#8220;you suck&#8221;. Well, he should probably have mentioned that 7 out of 13 is not a big victory, and that the numbers are exremely close in the demographic. However, in TOTAL viewers, Olbermann gets CRUSHED by O&#8217;reilly. Because he squeaks by in a demo, he thinks he is the new king. Somebody should tell him that many more people watch the other guy.</p>
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		<title>By: PapaBeargotPunked</title>
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		<dc:creator>PapaBeargotPunked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 06:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Jim Fox gives both sides of the A$$ ... which is a gas which makes NOISE. Hence Faux Noise.

Could be also said as yeah Faux gives both sides of lies. A small lie and a bigger lie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Jim Fox gives both sides of the A$$ &#8230; which is a gas which makes NOISE. Hence Faux Noise.</p>
<p>Could be also said as yeah Faux gives both sides of lies. A small lie and a bigger lie.</p>
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