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	<title>Comments on: NBC Unhappy With Sagging &#8216;Heroes&#8217; Ratings; Fires Producers</title>
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		<title>By: Tracy Nichols</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/02/nbc-unhappy-with-sagging-heroes-ratings-fires-producers/7408#comment-39950</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy Nichols</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The stupid short seasons and starting shows at odd times of the year is the problem.

People lose interest and find something else to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The stupid short seasons and starting shows at odd times of the year is the problem.</p>
<p>People lose interest and find something else to do.</p>
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		<title>By: sydnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>sydnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TMZ says: 
November 3rd, 2008 at 12:51 pm 


&quot;I blame the fans because they keep sending Kring mixed signals. Everything he’s done so far has been to try and win the viewers back. I think that the show is much better than it was last season. Is it as good as Season 1? No, but then what show can top it’s magical debut? As good as Lost was last season, it still didn’t match it’s first season.&quot;

In my response to that, Battlestar Galactica has definitely progressed in each season and with it the writing continues to better. In my opinion, it was poor managing of the producers and creator that led to a dismal second and third season. As a creator, the show is your baby, he shouldn&#039;t be influenced by outside qualms as to where the show should go or however long to tell a story. I also agree that I prefer quality over quantity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TMZ says:<br />
November 3rd, 2008 at 12:51 pm </p>
<p>&#8220;I blame the fans because they keep sending Kring mixed signals. Everything he’s done so far has been to try and win the viewers back. I think that the show is much better than it was last season. Is it as good as Season 1? No, but then what show can top it’s magical debut? As good as Lost was last season, it still didn’t match it’s first season.&#8221;</p>
<p>In my response to that, Battlestar Galactica has definitely progressed in each season and with it the writing continues to better. In my opinion, it was poor managing of the producers and creator that led to a dismal second and third season. As a creator, the show is your baby, he shouldn&#8217;t be influenced by outside qualms as to where the show should go or however long to tell a story. I also agree that I prefer quality over quantity.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/02/nbc-unhappy-with-sagging-heroes-ratings-fires-producers/7408#comment-36525</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 05:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I missed Season 1 of Heroes until someone told me about it.  When the DVD came out, I bought it and watched it non stop.  It was like a novel you could not put down.  I had pretty much dropped out of the couch potato scene years back, but Heroes put me back on the couch at least for 1 hr a week during Season 2.  

I cant really comment if this move by NBC is the right one or not.  I am a fan of the show regardless of how well it does, and I dont really pay attention to who writes/produces which episode.  

What it seems to me is the show has not found the right areas to focus on and develop a season long plot.  It seems like since Season 2, there has become this fascination with the past and elder generation of Heroes.  We also waited all through season 1 for these people to find each other, form lasting friendships, aliances, and grudges.  They sorta of accomplished that toward the end, but then they tore it all apart.  Which is where i am lost on the show.  If you find a group of people that are like you, why wouldnt you stick together?  Misery loves company and there is strength in numbers. 

The bad guys have figured this out.  I dont know why the heroes wouldnt? 

AND, i heard from a friend the next chapter will be called fugitives.  Which means all the good guys will be on the run from the bad guys... which is a reverse level 5 game play (ie with the company hunting down the bad guys and putting them on level 5.)  So once again, the heroes are going to be scattered and desperate to find one another.  

That is the plot I think they need to kill.  I dont care who they fire/hire.  Just dont keep up with the same rinse and repeat drill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I missed Season 1 of Heroes until someone told me about it.  When the DVD came out, I bought it and watched it non stop.  It was like a novel you could not put down.  I had pretty much dropped out of the couch potato scene years back, but Heroes put me back on the couch at least for 1 hr a week during Season 2.  </p>
<p>I cant really comment if this move by NBC is the right one or not.  I am a fan of the show regardless of how well it does, and I dont really pay attention to who writes/produces which episode.  </p>
<p>What it seems to me is the show has not found the right areas to focus on and develop a season long plot.  It seems like since Season 2, there has become this fascination with the past and elder generation of Heroes.  We also waited all through season 1 for these people to find each other, form lasting friendships, aliances, and grudges.  They sorta of accomplished that toward the end, but then they tore it all apart.  Which is where i am lost on the show.  If you find a group of people that are like you, why wouldnt you stick together?  Misery loves company and there is strength in numbers. </p>
<p>The bad guys have figured this out.  I dont know why the heroes wouldnt? </p>
<p>AND, i heard from a friend the next chapter will be called fugitives.  Which means all the good guys will be on the run from the bad guys&#8230; which is a reverse level 5 game play (ie with the company hunting down the bad guys and putting them on level 5.)  So once again, the heroes are going to be scattered and desperate to find one another.  </p>
<p>That is the plot I think they need to kill.  I dont care who they fire/hire.  Just dont keep up with the same rinse and repeat drill.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Seidman</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/02/nbc-unhappy-with-sagging-heroes-ratings-fires-producers/7408#comment-33280</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Seidman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrea, for me, PR coming from a network executive pimping DVR numbers and Internet usage is very separate than it actually being meaningful currently to business (ad sales revenue) or renewal decisions (not that I fear Heroes will be cancelled anytime soon).  

To me, that&#039;s just spin to sound better (I&#039;d do the exact same thing in their shoes), but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s meaningful at all to the business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrea, for me, PR coming from a network executive pimping DVR numbers and Internet usage is very separate than it actually being meaningful currently to business (ad sales revenue) or renewal decisions (not that I fear Heroes will be cancelled anytime soon).  </p>
<p>To me, that&#8217;s just spin to sound better (I&#8217;d do the exact same thing in their shoes), but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s meaningful at all to the business.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/02/nbc-unhappy-with-sagging-heroes-ratings-fires-producers/7408#comment-33279</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrea, they may not really care, since it doesn&#039;t affect ad revenue, but they are still going to pretend to care. It&#039;s something that looks great, so they will spin it for all it&#039;s worth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrea, they may not really care, since it doesn&#8217;t affect ad revenue, but they are still going to pretend to care. It&#8217;s something that looks great, so they will spin it for all it&#8217;s worth.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From an article in today&#039;s New York Times:

&quot;One bright spot, NBC executives say, is that while only about 8.3 million viewers have watched the show during its regular time slot, nearly 2 million more record and watch it within a week, according to Nielsen. That is one of the highest rates of DVR viewership gain among all shows on television. The show also is among the most-viewed online on NBC.com and Hulu.com, the site owned by NBC Universal and the News Corporation, parent company of the Fox network.&quot;

Ummm, I thought execs didn&#039;t care about DVR and Internet viewership?  

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/10/arts/television/10hero.html?ref=television</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From an article in today&#8217;s New York Times:</p>
<p>&#8220;One bright spot, NBC executives say, is that while only about 8.3 million viewers have watched the show during its regular time slot, nearly 2 million more record and watch it within a week, according to Nielsen. That is one of the highest rates of DVR viewership gain among all shows on television. The show also is among the most-viewed online on NBC.com and Hulu.com, the site owned by NBC Universal and the News Corporation, parent company of the Fox network.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ummm, I thought execs didn&#8217;t care about DVR and Internet viewership?  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/10/arts/television/10hero.html?ref=television" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/10/arts/television/10hero.html?ref=television</a></p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/02/nbc-unhappy-with-sagging-heroes-ratings-fires-producers/7408#comment-32454</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is they aren&#039;t willing to fire much of the cast. They&#039;ve got too many all-powerfuls, nobody seems to die, so there&#039;s no real stakes anymore. They want to keep popular cast members;that works for soap operas, but not for the kind of storyline Heroes used to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is they aren&#8217;t willing to fire much of the cast. They&#8217;ve got too many all-powerfuls, nobody seems to die, so there&#8217;s no real stakes anymore. They want to keep popular cast members;that works for soap operas, but not for the kind of storyline Heroes used to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/02/nbc-unhappy-with-sagging-heroes-ratings-fires-producers/7408#comment-32347</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nedlovesme, Bryan Fuller already worked on Heroes in season 1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nedlovesme, Bryan Fuller already worked on Heroes in season 1.</p>
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		<title>By: nedlovesme</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/02/nbc-unhappy-with-sagging-heroes-ratings-fires-producers/7408#comment-32343</link>
		<dc:creator>nedlovesme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 12:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bryan fuller on the show? i think this man has that one time big time stroke of genius. he can create superb shows at the same time he can create crappy ones. 

he created the premier episode of PD season 2 and it wasn&#039;t so great. 

but hey, i like heroes and pushing daisies if bryan fuller can save the show, okay then :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bryan fuller on the show? i think this man has that one time big time stroke of genius. he can create superb shows at the same time he can create crappy ones. </p>
<p>he created the premier episode of PD season 2 and it wasn&#8217;t so great. </p>
<p>but hey, i like heroes and pushing daisies if bryan fuller can save the show, okay then <img src='http://tvbythenumbers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Wesley Moore</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/02/nbc-unhappy-with-sagging-heroes-ratings-fires-producers/7408#comment-32330</link>
		<dc:creator>Wesley Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 06:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is too much spoiler information released in advance.  Where is the anticipation with an episode ending on a cliffhanger and then it&#039;s straight into plugging the subsequent episode with trailers galore?  Stop dripfeeding us!  Trailers are killing it.  If the writing is good enough we&#039;ll tune in next week.  Heroes needs to start believing in itself again as a must watch show.

Remember the good old days before the internet and you actually had to wait a whole seven days before the next episode.  The &#039;Who shot JR?&#039; scenario in Dallas is a classic example.  The British press didn&#039;t spoil it for UK viewers.  Now we can find out what colour Peter Petrelli&#039;s underwear is months before he has even worn them in the season finale let alone broadcast.  (NOTE: It is not yet another hidden power that Peter possesses; he can&#039;t self clean his skids.  He must put fresh pants on every day.  His mother even dreamt it so there.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is too much spoiler information released in advance.  Where is the anticipation with an episode ending on a cliffhanger and then it&#8217;s straight into plugging the subsequent episode with trailers galore?  Stop dripfeeding us!  Trailers are killing it.  If the writing is good enough we&#8217;ll tune in next week.  Heroes needs to start believing in itself again as a must watch show.</p>
<p>Remember the good old days before the internet and you actually had to wait a whole seven days before the next episode.  The &#8216;Who shot JR?&#8217; scenario in Dallas is a classic example.  The British press didn&#8217;t spoil it for UK viewers.  Now we can find out what colour Peter Petrelli&#8217;s underwear is months before he has even worn them in the season finale let alone broadcast.  (NOTE: It is not yet another hidden power that Peter possesses; he can&#8217;t self clean his skids.  He must put fresh pants on every day.  His mother even dreamt it so there.)</p>
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		<title>By: Memo From The Movement</title>
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		<dc:creator>Memo From The Movement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LAWSUIT.
REMEMBER THAT WORD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LAWSUIT.<br />
REMEMBER THAT WORD.</p>
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		<title>By: ABCFanatic</title>
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		<dc:creator>ABCFanatic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YATA</description>
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		<title>By: FrankJ</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/02/nbc-unhappy-with-sagging-heroes-ratings-fires-producers/7408#comment-31825</link>
		<dc:creator>FrankJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 03:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like the NBC executives weren&#039;t too pleased with the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b66857_heroes_shakeup_inside_scoop_on_firings.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Entertainment Weekly article&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;The final blow came from last week&#039;s Entertainment Weekly cover, which I&#039;m told was reported on under the ruse of a promotional story for the series. The surprise—a cover story pointing out Heroes&#039; third-season flaws and fan discontent—did not go over well with higher-ups.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like the NBC executives weren&#8217;t too pleased with the <a href="http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b66857_heroes_shakeup_inside_scoop_on_firings.html" rel="nofollow">Entertainment Weekly article</a>.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;The final blow came from last week&#8217;s Entertainment Weekly cover, which I&#8217;m told was reported on under the ruse of a promotional story for the series. The surprise—a cover story pointing out Heroes&#8217; third-season flaws and fan discontent—did not go over well with higher-ups.&#8221;</i></p>
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		<title>By: Josie</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/02/nbc-unhappy-with-sagging-heroes-ratings-fires-producers/7408#comment-31749</link>
		<dc:creator>Josie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hurry up!  Somebody grab a pail!  It&#039;s sinking FAST!</description>
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		<title>By: Robert Seidman</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/02/nbc-unhappy-with-sagging-heroes-ratings-fires-producers/7408#comment-31747</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Seidman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick, here&#039;s how it is: unless the numbers get back to last year&#039;s levels, I will assume Nissan *isn&#039;t* as happy as it was last year.  That doesn&#039;t mean:

1.) NBC isn&#039;t making money or
2.) Nissan is *unhappy*

..it just means I don&#039;t think it is as happy as last year.  Just assume there&#039;s absolutely NOTHING -- not even a glowing Nissan press release to the contrary -- that will change my mind here :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick, here&#8217;s how it is: unless the numbers get back to last year&#8217;s levels, I will assume Nissan *isn&#8217;t* as happy as it was last year.  That doesn&#8217;t mean:</p>
<p>1.) NBC isn&#8217;t making money or<br />
2.) Nissan is *unhappy*</p>
<p>..it just means I don&#8217;t think it is as happy as last year.  Just assume there&#8217;s absolutely NOTHING &#8212; not even a glowing Nissan press release to the contrary &#8212; that will change my mind here <img src='http://tvbythenumbers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Nick C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert, until you hear otherwise just assume Nissan is happy.  Since the Nissan deal was primarily made due to JAPAN&#039;s viewing habits, I can say ratings in the states are pointless to the argument.  It was product placement, and product placement deals are not like &quot;advertising,&quot; deals.  The Nissan will remain the vehicle Claire drives on the DVD.  When world wide viewing drops to abysmal levels and DVD sales dry up and die, then Nissan might be mad.  They won&#039;t and can&#039;t ask for their money back however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, until you hear otherwise just assume Nissan is happy.  Since the Nissan deal was primarily made due to JAPAN&#8217;s viewing habits, I can say ratings in the states are pointless to the argument.  It was product placement, and product placement deals are not like &#8220;advertising,&#8221; deals.  The Nissan will remain the vehicle Claire drives on the DVD.  When world wide viewing drops to abysmal levels and DVD sales dry up and die, then Nissan might be mad.  They won&#8217;t and can&#8217;t ask for their money back however.</p>
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		<title>By: TMZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>TMZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;TMZ, sorry friend, but the show is dropping because of poor writing. No other reason. Currently the STORY is driving characters. This is a major no-no in writing for a serial. The characters should drive the story. Basically what that means is you’ve defined the characters previously. So the characters should make decisions that MAKE SENSE to their character while pushing the story forward. In the case of season 2 and season 3 of Heroes the STORY has pushed characters forward. The characters continue to do “stupid,” or “non-character,” things. It is generally one or the other.&quot;

I understand that, Nick.  I&#039;ve done some writing myself so I know the rules of the game.  I guess I don&#039;t agree with everyone else that the current writing for Heroes is as bad as people make it out to be.  I&#039;m not talking about Season 2.  Even I can&#039;t defend that crap.  However, this season seems better to me.  To each his own, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;TMZ, sorry friend, but the show is dropping because of poor writing. No other reason. Currently the STORY is driving characters. This is a major no-no in writing for a serial. The characters should drive the story. Basically what that means is you’ve defined the characters previously. So the characters should make decisions that MAKE SENSE to their character while pushing the story forward. In the case of season 2 and season 3 of Heroes the STORY has pushed characters forward. The characters continue to do “stupid,” or “non-character,” things. It is generally one or the other.&#8221;</p>
<p>I understand that, Nick.  I&#8217;ve done some writing myself so I know the rules of the game.  I guess I don&#8217;t agree with everyone else that the current writing for Heroes is as bad as people make it out to be.  I&#8217;m not talking about Season 2.  Even I can&#8217;t defend that crap.  However, this season seems better to me.  To each his own, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TMZ, sorry friend, but the show is dropping because of poor writing.  No other reason.  Currently the STORY is driving characters.  This is a major no-no in writing for a serial.  The characters should drive the story.  Basically what that means is you&#039;ve defined the characters previously.  So the characters should make decisions that MAKE SENSE to their character while pushing the story forward.  In the case of season 2 and season 3 of Heroes the STORY has pushed characters forward.  The characters continue to do &quot;stupid,&quot; or &quot;non-character,&quot; things.  It is generally one or the other.

Picking up the pace is not a problem.  Having characters do things that make no sense in either in terms of intelligence or sense of their character is just bad writing.  Bad writing generally weakens characters and viewers don&#039;t like that.  

Season 1 was generally smart and well crafted.  Season 2 and Season 3 have been far from it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TMZ, sorry friend, but the show is dropping because of poor writing.  No other reason.  Currently the STORY is driving characters.  This is a major no-no in writing for a serial.  The characters should drive the story.  Basically what that means is you&#8217;ve defined the characters previously.  So the characters should make decisions that MAKE SENSE to their character while pushing the story forward.  In the case of season 2 and season 3 of Heroes the STORY has pushed characters forward.  The characters continue to do &#8220;stupid,&#8221; or &#8220;non-character,&#8221; things.  It is generally one or the other.</p>
<p>Picking up the pace is not a problem.  Having characters do things that make no sense in either in terms of intelligence or sense of their character is just bad writing.  Bad writing generally weakens characters and viewers don&#8217;t like that.  </p>
<p>Season 1 was generally smart and well crafted.  Season 2 and Season 3 have been far from it.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Seidman</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/02/nbc-unhappy-with-sagging-heroes-ratings-fires-producers/7408#comment-31738</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Seidman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick C.  Do you work for Nissan and speak for them?  If so, that&#039;s fine. Otherwise, what you say on Nissan&#039;s satisfaction doesn&#039;t sway me that they are as satisified this year as last.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick C.  Do you work for Nissan and speak for them?  If so, that&#8217;s fine. Otherwise, what you say on Nissan&#8217;s satisfaction doesn&#8217;t sway me that they are as satisified this year as last.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick C</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/02/nbc-unhappy-with-sagging-heroes-ratings-fires-producers/7408#comment-31734</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert, lets just say Nissan is extremely pleased with the deal.  They started it after Season 1, and they have no reason to complain (in fact they do the opposite).

My point still stands, Heores does fine with money, but it&#039;s not the money that NBC wants.  Going over budget and losing viewers is not what they want.  They want to stay on budget and gain viewers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, lets just say Nissan is extremely pleased with the deal.  They started it after Season 1, and they have no reason to complain (in fact they do the opposite).</p>
<p>My point still stands, Heores does fine with money, but it&#8217;s not the money that NBC wants.  Going over budget and losing viewers is not what they want.  They want to stay on budget and gain viewers.</p>
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		<title>By: TMZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>TMZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It was fans that wanted the return of Sylar (who was supposed to die) and that alone screwed with where the story was going.&quot;

I don&#039;t have a problem with Sylar remaining on the canvas.  And I like this idea that he&#039;s actually trying to be a Hero.  The whole &quot;cutting open your head to steal your power&quot; was getting old. 

I blame the fans because they keep sending Kring mixed signals.  Everything he&#039;s done so far has been to try and win the viewers back.  I think that the show is much better than it was last season.  Is it as good as Season 1?  No, but then what show can top it&#039;s magical debut?  As good as Lost was last season, it still didn&#039;t match it&#039;s first season. 

I think that Heroes will make it thorough the end of this season (NBC has nothing else to put on) and then next year will be it&#039;s last.  I&#039;ll be sad that the show is gone, but I&#039;ll be glad to be rid of all of the whinning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It was fans that wanted the return of Sylar (who was supposed to die) and that alone screwed with where the story was going.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have a problem with Sylar remaining on the canvas.  And I like this idea that he&#8217;s actually trying to be a Hero.  The whole &#8220;cutting open your head to steal your power&#8221; was getting old. </p>
<p>I blame the fans because they keep sending Kring mixed signals.  Everything he&#8217;s done so far has been to try and win the viewers back.  I think that the show is much better than it was last season.  Is it as good as Season 1?  No, but then what show can top it&#8217;s magical debut?  As good as Lost was last season, it still didn&#8217;t match it&#8217;s first season. </p>
<p>I think that Heroes will make it thorough the end of this season (NBC has nothing else to put on) and then next year will be it&#8217;s last.  I&#8217;ll be sad that the show is gone, but I&#8217;ll be glad to be rid of all of the whinning.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Gorman</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/02/nbc-unhappy-with-sagging-heroes-ratings-fires-producers/7408#comment-31728</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Gorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think TV advertising &quot;deals&quot; of all kinds are the norm rather than the exception and that those Ad Age numbers are nice reference points for comparing shows on a relative basis, but to try and figure out a per episode revenue from them isn&#039;t likely to be correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think TV advertising &#8220;deals&#8221; of all kinds are the norm rather than the exception and that those Ad Age numbers are nice reference points for comparing shows on a relative basis, but to try and figure out a per episode revenue from them isn&#8217;t likely to be correct.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Seidman</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/02/nbc-unhappy-with-sagging-heroes-ratings-fires-producers/7408#comment-31726</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Seidman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick, that&#039;s not how advertising works. Whatever NBC promised Nissan was based on last year&#039;s numbers.  They&#039;re not living up to them.  

viewing in Japan has no bearing on ad dollars paid in the US, while it may factor into &quot;product placement&quot;, NBC is likely still under delivering on what was sold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick, that&#8217;s not how advertising works. Whatever NBC promised Nissan was based on last year&#8217;s numbers.  They&#8217;re not living up to them.  </p>
<p>viewing in Japan has no bearing on ad dollars paid in the US, while it may factor into &#8220;product placement&#8221;, NBC is likely still under delivering on what was sold.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julia, I doubt it.  HEROES is still the most watched show in Japan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julia, I doubt it.  HEROES is still the most watched show in Japan.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick C</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/02/nbc-unhappy-with-sagging-heroes-ratings-fires-producers/7408#comment-31724</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TMZ, don&#039;t get elitist.  If anything Heroes was TOO dumb for America.  I could easily teach everyone a lesson on &quot;good writing,&quot; by pointing out all the problems that started with Heroes on Season 2 and have continued into Season 3.  

It really doesn&#039;t matter what it is, BAD writing will always ruin a show and ratings WILL suffer.  However your idea that FANS are the problem does make sense.  It was fans that wanted the return of Sylar (who was supposed to die) and that alone screwed with where the story was going.  The biggest problem was Tim Kring came up with the idea behind HEROES and never knew where it would go.  He had an excellent opening act so to speak and in this case really had no 2nd or 3rd acts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TMZ, don&#8217;t get elitist.  If anything Heroes was TOO dumb for America.  I could easily teach everyone a lesson on &#8220;good writing,&#8221; by pointing out all the problems that started with Heroes on Season 2 and have continued into Season 3.  </p>
<p>It really doesn&#8217;t matter what it is, BAD writing will always ruin a show and ratings WILL suffer.  However your idea that FANS are the problem does make sense.  It was fans that wanted the return of Sylar (who was supposed to die) and that alone screwed with where the story was going.  The biggest problem was Tim Kring came up with the idea behind HEROES and never knew where it would go.  He had an excellent opening act so to speak and in this case really had no 2nd or 3rd acts.</p>
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