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	<title>Comments on: Monday Ratings: Dancing Wins Viewers, Comedies a Big Bang for CBS</title>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, as to its $4 mil budget, it&#039;s been reported that it goes over that. Unless the article about firing a couple execs lied about that, it&#039;s fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, as to its $4 mil budget, it&#8217;s been reported that it goes over that. Unless the article about firing a couple execs lied about that, it&#8217;s fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fin, Heroes&#039; average for the season may be the second highest for NBC, but this week it tied for third with Law &amp; Order: SVU and 30 Rock. It&#039;s last airing was in third place as well. It&#039;s on a steady downward trend, and at this rate it won&#039;t be long before its average demo is lower than 2nd place. Perhaps much lower.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fin, Heroes&#8217; average for the season may be the second highest for NBC, but this week it tied for third with Law &amp; Order: SVU and 30 Rock. It&#8217;s last airing was in third place as well. It&#8217;s on a steady downward trend, and at this rate it won&#8217;t be long before its average demo is lower than 2nd place. Perhaps much lower.</p>
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		<title>By: fin</title>
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		<dc:creator>fin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes it is the second highest scriped show (18-49) and like 3rd/4th on overall (18-49)</description>
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		<title>By: fin</title>
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		<dc:creator>fin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sitcom? i mean scriped show... sorry</description>
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		<title>By: fin</title>
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		<dc:creator>fin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyway at Heroes current 18-49 numbers it is NBC&#039;s second highest rated sitcom and proberly show. The only question is whether it wil get worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyway at Heroes current 18-49 numbers it is NBC&#8217;s second highest rated sitcom and proberly show. The only question is whether it wil get worse.</p>
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		<title>By: fin</title>
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		<dc:creator>fin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you know its going over its $4 milliom budget??? If American Dad only commands $156,000 per 30sec commercial then Heroes will command liie $180,000+ surely. So has around 18 minutes of commercials, meaning the episode makes $6,480,000. Thus making $2,480,000 an episode and money to make another. Although this is just a guestimate based on a lower rated shows costs. But it can&#039;t be that far of can it? If it makes close (more) than American Dad and thats the math then it might make a bit of money per episode? 
Or does anyone else have some proof it could be otherwise (i actually would like to known because i find it hard to beleive it can&#039;t be making a bit of money).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you know its going over its $4 milliom budget??? If American Dad only commands $156,000 per 30sec commercial then Heroes will command liie $180,000+ surely. So has around 18 minutes of commercials, meaning the episode makes $6,480,000. Thus making $2,480,000 an episode and money to make another. Although this is just a guestimate based on a lower rated shows costs. But it can&#8217;t be that far of can it? If it makes close (more) than American Dad and thats the math then it might make a bit of money per episode?<br />
Or does anyone else have some proof it could be otherwise (i actually would like to known because i find it hard to beleive it can&#8217;t be making a bit of money).</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heroes is already going over their $4 million budget per episode. There is no way NBC is going to take on another season of Heroes. Bye bye Heroes!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heroes is already going over their $4 million budget per episode. There is no way NBC is going to take on another season of Heroes. Bye bye Heroes!!</p>
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		<title>By: Allan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>regarding TSCC&#039;s episode, of course it wasn&#039;t a regular shotgun. you could tell as soon as you saw it, at least that&#039;s what i thought during the episode. 

however it didn&#039;t make sense that cameron didn&#039;t just unload on him with it to begin with. i doubt that chromartie couldn&#039;t have killed sarah or derek in the first &quot;wave&quot; where they&#039;re apparently softening him up/depleting his ammo.

this show would be so good on sunday 9-10, following simpsons/tfg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>regarding TSCC&#8217;s episode, of course it wasn&#8217;t a regular shotgun. you could tell as soon as you saw it, at least that&#8217;s what i thought during the episode. </p>
<p>however it didn&#8217;t make sense that cameron didn&#8217;t just unload on him with it to begin with. i doubt that chromartie couldn&#8217;t have killed sarah or derek in the first &#8220;wave&#8221; where they&#8217;re apparently softening him up/depleting his ammo.</p>
<p>this show would be so good on sunday 9-10, following simpsons/tfg.</p>
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		<title>By: Timmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Journeyman was doing much better than MOWE this time last year, didn&#039;t drop below 6 million viewers until they had already annouced that they were cancelling the show. Heck, If they kept it, would probably be doing about as good as heroes is now on a much lowere budget.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Journeyman was doing much better than MOWE this time last year, didn&#8217;t drop below 6 million viewers until they had already annouced that they were cancelling the show. Heck, If they kept it, would probably be doing about as good as heroes is now on a much lowere budget.</p>
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		<title>By: Gleebo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gleebo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 22:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Heroes is definitely treading water. This weeks episode which even changed the credits of the show to &quot;Villians but basically just backtracked for an entire episode just to give a little more back story to Arthur Petrelli&#039;s character, which honestly is a great character and his sucking Peter&#039;s powers dry was a needed plot device but I was perfectly okay not knowing everything that led to his MIA status up until a couple eps ago. A little mystery goes a long ways if you do it right.  Instead they dumb it down and hold our hand showing step by step how it got to this point and how it affected events that we already knew about.

Get on with it or at least give us some resolution to some characters who&#039;s fates were left uncertain last season.  What happened to the girl who could mimic anything she watched in New Orleans? What happened to Peter&#039;s Irish girlfriend that nobody who watched the show even liked. We still want to know some of these things....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Heroes is definitely treading water. This weeks episode which even changed the credits of the show to &#8220;Villians but basically just backtracked for an entire episode just to give a little more back story to Arthur Petrelli&#8217;s character, which honestly is a great character and his sucking Peter&#8217;s powers dry was a needed plot device but I was perfectly okay not knowing everything that led to his MIA status up until a couple eps ago. A little mystery goes a long ways if you do it right.  Instead they dumb it down and hold our hand showing step by step how it got to this point and how it affected events that we already knew about.</p>
<p>Get on with it or at least give us some resolution to some characters who&#8217;s fates were left uncertain last season.  What happened to the girl who could mimic anything she watched in New Orleans? What happened to Peter&#8217;s Irish girlfriend that nobody who watched the show even liked. We still want to know some of these things&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: R.J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>R.J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob, I was right. 14 Million Viewers for SNL. No wonder Worst Week and 2.5 men was low last Monday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob, I was right. 14 Million Viewers for SNL. No wonder Worst Week and 2.5 men was low last Monday.</p>
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		<title>By: Fin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i agree Cameron; but its odd. The veiwership is down to like 60% of season three but the 18-49 is only down 17%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i agree Cameron; but its odd. The veiwership is down to like 60% of season three but the 18-49 is only down 17%.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Seidman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Seidman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>R.J.: no need to &quot;guess&quot;

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/11/60-minutes-csi-and-sunday-night-football-lead-weekly-top-20/7938</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R.J.: no need to &#8220;guess&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/11/60-minutes-csi-and-sunday-night-football-lead-weekly-top-20/7938" rel="nofollow">http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/11/60-minutes-csi-and-sunday-night-football-lead-weekly-top-20/7938</a></p>
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		<title>By: Cameron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just don&#039;t understand. Heroes is so much better than last year and yet its ratings are worse!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just don&#8217;t understand. Heroes is so much better than last year and yet its ratings are worse!!</p>
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		<title>By: R.J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>R.J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob, If i had to just guess, SNL did about 12-14 million viewers, Because 2.5 men only did 12 million, and for that show i think it&#039;s a low rating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob, If i had to just guess, SNL did about 12-14 million viewers, Because 2.5 men only did 12 million, and for that show i think it&#8217;s a low rating.</p>
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		<title>By: Fin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 06:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh as  the veiwership for Heroes is down the 18-34 is still dominating the night. Not for Heroes but what would be a good 18-49 for a show?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh as  the veiwership for Heroes is down the 18-34 is still dominating the night. Not for Heroes but what would be a good 18-49 for a show?</p>
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		<title>By: Nick C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 06:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doc, you&#039;re right and it&#039;s kind of silly.  LOST is something that needs an ending.  HEROES is theoretically something that could keep going on for ages.  It&#039;s a shame it fell apart so quickly.  Then again once it was successful NBC should have paid Kring off and put someone else in charge.  It isn&#039;t like insiders weren&#039;t talking about this as the likely scenario during season 1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doc, you&#8217;re right and it&#8217;s kind of silly.  LOST is something that needs an ending.  HEROES is theoretically something that could keep going on for ages.  It&#8217;s a shame it fell apart so quickly.  Then again once it was successful NBC should have paid Kring off and put someone else in charge.  It isn&#8217;t like insiders weren&#8217;t talking about this as the likely scenario during season 1.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Michaels</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doc Michaels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 06:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is with this notion, floated first in EW and seen in this thread as well, that HEROES &quot;needs to plan an exit strategy like LOST&quot;.

These two shows have NOTHING in common. HEROES isn&#039;t a serialized &quot;puzzle&quot; series like LOST where the entire series hinges on its outcome. I mean, most superhero shows, or movies, don&#039;t have &quot;end games.&quot; This show doesn&#039;t, and it doesn&#039;t need one for it to function properly either.

What it DOES need is better storytelling, and arcs that can comprise an entire season and keep viewers coming back. That has nothing to do with an &quot;exit strategy&quot; any more than ANY other dramatic series on television needs one in order to be successful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is with this notion, floated first in EW and seen in this thread as well, that HEROES &#8220;needs to plan an exit strategy like LOST&#8221;.</p>
<p>These two shows have NOTHING in common. HEROES isn&#8217;t a serialized &#8220;puzzle&#8221; series like LOST where the entire series hinges on its outcome. I mean, most superhero shows, or movies, don&#8217;t have &#8220;end games.&#8221; This show doesn&#8217;t, and it doesn&#8217;t need one for it to function properly either.</p>
<p>What it DOES need is better storytelling, and arcs that can comprise an entire season and keep viewers coming back. That has nothing to do with an &#8220;exit strategy&#8221; any more than ANY other dramatic series on television needs one in order to be successful.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Steven Hack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Steven Hack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 03:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only thing TSCC did wrong in last night&#039;s episode was not TELL people that Cameron&#039;s shotgun was loaded with DU ammo. OTOH, it would have been better and splashier if she&#039;d used Derek&#039;s M-79 grenade launcher from the &quot;Mousetrap&quot; episode to simply blow Cromartie apart like she did the flipped-out Terminator last season in the &quot;D&amp;D&quot; episode.

Anybody notice how that shoot out last night was a reprise of the final scene in &quot;Scarface&quot; (the Pacino version)? There&#039;s Cromartie acting like Pacino, getting shot up right and left and not going down. In walks Cameron like the assassin with a shotgun and blows him away!

And the Mexico police station massacre was a reprise of the Arnold police station massacre in the original &quot;Terminator&quot; movie.

And Summer Glau was incredibly HOT in the bedroom scene. I had predicted that she would make a move on John to repair their damaged relationship after she tried to kill him in episode one, and worse, babbling about how she &quot;loved him&quot; - which only angered him.

So what did she do last night? First, she puts on her &quot;seduction array&quot; - hot pants and boots. Then she strips off her jacket, leaving only a thin top before entering his room. Then she closes the doors, establishing that this is going to be an &quot;intimate session&quot; without Sarah or Derek around. Then she climbs on his bed with major thighage showing! 

John nervously tries to blow it off by asking her if she thinks Riley will be scarred for life if she sees them in bed. Cameron coolly blows that off by telling him she watched Riley leave &quot;until I couldn&#039;t see her&quot; - again establishing that this is intended to be an &quot;intimate moment&quot; - with Riley on the outs.

Then she tells John that he&#039;s endangering Riley. (Josh Friedman agrees - in the online chat last night, he said he thinks John&#039;s &quot;an idiot&quot; for being involved with Riley - but that John has his reasons.) Then she tells him she knows being John Connor is &quot;lonely&quot;. And that she and future John &quot;talk about that a lot&quot;.

If the Caminator ever makes a more aggressive move on Connor, the kid is TOAST! She&#039;s demonstrated twice this season that she can be major seductive (the first time in the bar scene in &quot;Automatic for the People&quot;). She tried to seduce him last year in the &quot;Vic&#039;s Chip&quot; episode, but that got spoiled when Sarah smelled nail polish and came into the bedroom.

She&#039;s doing this for her hidden agenda, which we know nothing about as yet. But we know she has one because the evidence indicates that she was never sent back by future John at all - she came back on her own initiative. We know that because 1) future John would never have sent back a Terminator not subject to either his or his mother&#039;s orders, not when there was a risk of it going ape; 2) we know she had access to the time chamber, because it was her retinal scan that opened the door for Derek in &quot;D&amp;D&quot;; 3) we know she knows how to operate the time machine because she did it in the pilot.

Trust me - Cameron is going to nail John at some point and make him her slave. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing TSCC did wrong in last night&#8217;s episode was not TELL people that Cameron&#8217;s shotgun was loaded with DU ammo. OTOH, it would have been better and splashier if she&#8217;d used Derek&#8217;s M-79 grenade launcher from the &#8220;Mousetrap&#8221; episode to simply blow Cromartie apart like she did the flipped-out Terminator last season in the &#8220;D&amp;D&#8221; episode.</p>
<p>Anybody notice how that shoot out last night was a reprise of the final scene in &#8220;Scarface&#8221; (the Pacino version)? There&#8217;s Cromartie acting like Pacino, getting shot up right and left and not going down. In walks Cameron like the assassin with a shotgun and blows him away!</p>
<p>And the Mexico police station massacre was a reprise of the Arnold police station massacre in the original &#8220;Terminator&#8221; movie.</p>
<p>And Summer Glau was incredibly HOT in the bedroom scene. I had predicted that she would make a move on John to repair their damaged relationship after she tried to kill him in episode one, and worse, babbling about how she &#8220;loved him&#8221; &#8211; which only angered him.</p>
<p>So what did she do last night? First, she puts on her &#8220;seduction array&#8221; &#8211; hot pants and boots. Then she strips off her jacket, leaving only a thin top before entering his room. Then she closes the doors, establishing that this is going to be an &#8220;intimate session&#8221; without Sarah or Derek around. Then she climbs on his bed with major thighage showing! </p>
<p>John nervously tries to blow it off by asking her if she thinks Riley will be scarred for life if she sees them in bed. Cameron coolly blows that off by telling him she watched Riley leave &#8220;until I couldn&#8217;t see her&#8221; &#8211; again establishing that this is intended to be an &#8220;intimate moment&#8221; &#8211; with Riley on the outs.</p>
<p>Then she tells John that he&#8217;s endangering Riley. (Josh Friedman agrees &#8211; in the online chat last night, he said he thinks John&#8217;s &#8220;an idiot&#8221; for being involved with Riley &#8211; but that John has his reasons.) Then she tells him she knows being John Connor is &#8220;lonely&#8221;. And that she and future John &#8220;talk about that a lot&#8221;.</p>
<p>If the Caminator ever makes a more aggressive move on Connor, the kid is TOAST! She&#8217;s demonstrated twice this season that she can be major seductive (the first time in the bar scene in &#8220;Automatic for the People&#8221;). She tried to seduce him last year in the &#8220;Vic&#8217;s Chip&#8221; episode, but that got spoiled when Sarah smelled nail polish and came into the bedroom.</p>
<p>She&#8217;s doing this for her hidden agenda, which we know nothing about as yet. But we know she has one because the evidence indicates that she was never sent back by future John at all &#8211; she came back on her own initiative. We know that because 1) future John would never have sent back a Terminator not subject to either his or his mother&#8217;s orders, not when there was a risk of it going ape; 2) we know she had access to the time chamber, because it was her retinal scan that opened the door for Derek in &#8220;D&amp;D&#8221;; 3) we know she knows how to operate the time machine because she did it in the pilot.</p>
<p>Trust me &#8211; Cameron is going to nail John at some point and make him her slave. <img src='http://tvbythenumbers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Doghouse Reilly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doghouse Reilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 01:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gossip Girl and One Tree Hill fell to severe season lows last night, each dropping below three million viewers. The demo numbers stayed relatively stable, however. From PIFeedback/TravisYanan:

Gossip Girl
- 2.883 million viewers
- 2.0/3 HH
- 1.5/4 A18-49
- 2.2/6 A18-34

One Tree Hill
- 2.989 million viewers
- 2.0/3 HH
- 1.6/4 A18-49
- 2.4/6 A18-34

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/616108271?r=918109271#918109271</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gossip Girl and One Tree Hill fell to severe season lows last night, each dropping below three million viewers. The demo numbers stayed relatively stable, however. From PIFeedback/TravisYanan:</p>
<p>Gossip Girl<br />
- 2.883 million viewers<br />
- 2.0/3 HH<br />
- 1.5/4 A18-49<br />
- 2.2/6 A18-34</p>
<p>One Tree Hill<br />
- 2.989 million viewers<br />
- 2.0/3 HH<br />
- 1.6/4 A18-49<br />
- 2.4/6 A18-34</p>
<p><a href="http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/616108271?r=918109271#918109271" rel="nofollow">http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/616108271?r=918109271#918109271</a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 01:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prison Break on the rise yeahhhhhhhh, i hope Heroes bombs, people say PB is a terrible show, well Heroes is pathetic!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prison Break on the rise yeahhhhhhhh, i hope Heroes bombs, people say PB is a terrible show, well Heroes is pathetic!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Connor Society &#187; Blog Archive &#187; TSCC News and Review Round-Up</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Connor Society &#187; Blog Archive &#187; TSCC News and Review Round-Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 01:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] addition to the reviews, TV by the Numbers gives us the low-down on the overnight ratings. Let’s face it. There is much room for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] addition to the reviews, TV by the Numbers gives us the low-down on the overnight ratings. Let’s face it. There is much room for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I don’t believe you can use TSCC’s performance last year as an indicator of what its capable of doing in a ‘normal’ season. If memory serves me right then it debuted mid season and was one of the only scripted shows running new episodes and not stuck in repeats, it was always going to do better in that situation than it would going up against new shows across all the other networks. There was just no competition when it debuted. I suspect that had TSCC debuted last year without the writers strike it probably would have hit the same numbers it is now.&quot;

No, that&#039;s the thing. You&#039;re right; it was up against barely any competition. But the numbers it got showed that people WOULD watch it as opposed to simply not caring for it at all. So for example, on Fridays in its new timeslot the only competition really would be Ghost Whisperer. I think TSCC has the potential to do well there. But of course I could be completely wrong. You can never be sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don’t believe you can use TSCC’s performance last year as an indicator of what its capable of doing in a ‘normal’ season. If memory serves me right then it debuted mid season and was one of the only scripted shows running new episodes and not stuck in repeats, it was always going to do better in that situation than it would going up against new shows across all the other networks. There was just no competition when it debuted. I suspect that had TSCC debuted last year without the writers strike it probably would have hit the same numbers it is now.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, that&#8217;s the thing. You&#8217;re right; it was up against barely any competition. But the numbers it got showed that people WOULD watch it as opposed to simply not caring for it at all. So for example, on Fridays in its new timeslot the only competition really would be Ghost Whisperer. I think TSCC has the potential to do well there. But of course I could be completely wrong. You can never be sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Sunflower</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blue Sunflower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s looking like Reaper could premiere as early as January.  They&#039;re almost done filming their 13 episodes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s looking like Reaper could premiere as early as January.  They&#8217;re almost done filming their 13 episodes.</p>
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		<title>By: jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t watch much TV on Mondays. I have no dog in this fight except I am rooting for NBC to be competitive with ABC. Lost cause syndrome. Did not know Heroes had such good 18-34 numbers. I honestly hate all CBS sitcome, including Raymond. But their strategy is working. If could time channel surfing with Brooke Burke&#039;s dancing ... uh, anyway. I don&#039;t like these talent shows because the squealing programmatic American Bandstand studio audience wrecks the honest opinions of the experts - and I don&#039;t care, they know more than claques ever can. I hate live studio reactions to any show and wish they would either shut up or really go for broke with fistfights and such like a  soccer match. I&#039;d rather have canned responses and laugh tracks than the fiction of live studio audiences which destroys and dates Norman Lear comedies, Friends, Will and Grace, all the unfunny or mediocre sitcoms.( Thank you, Captain Morgan, for allowing me to overcome DDD and get this typed.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t watch much TV on Mondays. I have no dog in this fight except I am rooting for NBC to be competitive with ABC. Lost cause syndrome. Did not know Heroes had such good 18-34 numbers. I honestly hate all CBS sitcome, including Raymond. But their strategy is working. If could time channel surfing with Brooke Burke&#8217;s dancing &#8230; uh, anyway. I don&#8217;t like these talent shows because the squealing programmatic American Bandstand studio audience wrecks the honest opinions of the experts &#8211; and I don&#8217;t care, they know more than claques ever can. I hate live studio reactions to any show and wish they would either shut up or really go for broke with fistfights and such like a  soccer match. I&#8217;d rather have canned responses and laugh tracks than the fiction of live studio audiences which destroys and dates Norman Lear comedies, Friends, Will and Grace, all the unfunny or mediocre sitcoms.( Thank you, Captain Morgan, for allowing me to overcome DDD and get this typed.)</p>
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