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		<title>By: Riff Rafferty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Riff Rafferty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Veronica Mars&quot; did well in the ratings? When did this happen? Did I blink and miss it? It was a flop on UPN, and it was a flop on CW. It was a flop in households, a flop in 18-49 and a flop in their key demos (generally women 18-34). You want treated badly, try all the higher-rated shows that lost their lives in the UPN/WB merger just so Dawn could give another chance to it, because she THOUGHT &quot;Gilmore Girls&quot; was the perfect lead-in for it. And then it gets that lead-in and proceeds to blow 50% of it on a regular basis. If you don&#039;t understand lead-in retention, I really don&#039;t know what to say. 

These are the household ratings for the penultimate episode of &quot;Mars&quot; and the last episode of &quot;Gilmore Girls.&quot; 

Gilmore Girls - 3.1/5 - 4.9 million viewers
Veronica Mars - 1.3/2 - 2.1 million viewers

That is pathetic. Any show with no love from the network airing it would be cancelled in a matter of weeks for dropping like that. 

Even more pathetic when you factor in how many viewers it lost over the course of the season. Here&#039;s the ratings for the 3rd season premiere (and the episode of &quot;Gilmore Girls&quot; that preceded it.) 

Gilmore Girls - 3.2/5 - 4.6 million viewers
Veronica Mars - 2.1/3 - 3.4 million viewers

If a third of the people watching the show at the beginning of the season are tired of it by the end of the season, why shouldn&#039;t The CW be? 

Forgive me, but I&#039;m prone to laughing in the face of anyone who says &quot;Veronica Mars&quot; was mistreated. It got 3 seasons. It aired all its episodes. It ran during all 3 major sweeps periods all 3 years it aired. UPN pushed it hard, to the point of practically begging people to watch. If people watched it, it would still be on. Because Ostroff pretty much fell on her sword to keep it through the merger. You like &quot;Reaper?&quot; Great, then you understand why the flop had to die. So a new life could begin. So it was critically-acclaimed? So what? &quot;Pushing Daisies&quot; (which, unlike &quot;Mars,&quot; didn&#039;t get a cumulative total of zero Emmy nominations) is the most critically-acclaimed show on ABC. You say that should be cancelled. Well, maybe it should. The difference is, the fan boards of that show are still filled with people who seem to enjoy it. By &quot;Veronica&#039;s&quot; third season, everywhere I looked, I saw posts that were bemoaning how awful it had gotten. 

By heir apparent, I mean Dawn&#039;s pet project with a female lead in which she probably sees herself. Which is &quot;Gossip Girl.&quot; It&#039;s not an exact heir apparent. Because it can anchor a night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Veronica Mars&#8221; did well in the ratings? When did this happen? Did I blink and miss it? It was a flop on UPN, and it was a flop on CW. It was a flop in households, a flop in 18-49 and a flop in their key demos (generally women 18-34). You want treated badly, try all the higher-rated shows that lost their lives in the UPN/WB merger just so Dawn could give another chance to it, because she THOUGHT &#8220;Gilmore Girls&#8221; was the perfect lead-in for it. And then it gets that lead-in and proceeds to blow 50% of it on a regular basis. If you don&#8217;t understand lead-in retention, I really don&#8217;t know what to say. </p>
<p>These are the household ratings for the penultimate episode of &#8220;Mars&#8221; and the last episode of &#8220;Gilmore Girls.&#8221; </p>
<p>Gilmore Girls &#8211; 3.1/5 &#8211; 4.9 million viewers<br />
Veronica Mars &#8211; 1.3/2 &#8211; 2.1 million viewers</p>
<p>That is pathetic. Any show with no love from the network airing it would be cancelled in a matter of weeks for dropping like that. </p>
<p>Even more pathetic when you factor in how many viewers it lost over the course of the season. Here&#8217;s the ratings for the 3rd season premiere (and the episode of &#8220;Gilmore Girls&#8221; that preceded it.) </p>
<p>Gilmore Girls &#8211; 3.2/5 &#8211; 4.6 million viewers<br />
Veronica Mars &#8211; 2.1/3 &#8211; 3.4 million viewers</p>
<p>If a third of the people watching the show at the beginning of the season are tired of it by the end of the season, why shouldn&#8217;t The CW be? </p>
<p>Forgive me, but I&#8217;m prone to laughing in the face of anyone who says &#8220;Veronica Mars&#8221; was mistreated. It got 3 seasons. It aired all its episodes. It ran during all 3 major sweeps periods all 3 years it aired. UPN pushed it hard, to the point of practically begging people to watch. If people watched it, it would still be on. Because Ostroff pretty much fell on her sword to keep it through the merger. You like &#8220;Reaper?&#8221; Great, then you understand why the flop had to die. So a new life could begin. So it was critically-acclaimed? So what? &#8220;Pushing Daisies&#8221; (which, unlike &#8220;Mars,&#8221; didn&#8217;t get a cumulative total of zero Emmy nominations) is the most critically-acclaimed show on ABC. You say that should be cancelled. Well, maybe it should. The difference is, the fan boards of that show are still filled with people who seem to enjoy it. By &#8220;Veronica&#8217;s&#8221; third season, everywhere I looked, I saw posts that were bemoaning how awful it had gotten. </p>
<p>By heir apparent, I mean Dawn&#8217;s pet project with a female lead in which she probably sees herself. Which is &#8220;Gossip Girl.&#8221; It&#8217;s not an exact heir apparent. Because it can anchor a night.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Riff, not sure I understand your VERONICA hatred.  Numbers wise the show wasn&#039;t that bad for the CW.  Also GOSSIP GIRL isn&#039;t its heir apparent.  REAPER was (since it replaced it on the schedule).  REAPER also pulled only slightly better numbers.  REAPER also rotated with GOSSIP GIRL for most watched new show on the CW last season.  

The CW treated the show poorly, but despite that it did better than PRIVILEGED has done.  By poorly I am referring to cutting the season order short, putting the show on hiatus, and by having it the least promoted scripted drama on the network.  Despite the fact that is was critically the most acclaimed show on the network.  

I&#039;m not sure where you get the idea the show was a giant nothing.  For CW shows, it&#039;s 2nd in DVD sales behind only SMALLVILLE and only slightly better than SUPERNATURAL.  

For the least promoted drama on the network, the 2.5M average viewers it pulled was extremely strong.  DVD sales are strong enough that DtV movies are being considered.  This is easily one of those shows that could have done better if promoted better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Riff, not sure I understand your VERONICA hatred.  Numbers wise the show wasn&#8217;t that bad for the CW.  Also GOSSIP GIRL isn&#8217;t its heir apparent.  REAPER was (since it replaced it on the schedule).  REAPER also pulled only slightly better numbers.  REAPER also rotated with GOSSIP GIRL for most watched new show on the CW last season.  </p>
<p>The CW treated the show poorly, but despite that it did better than PRIVILEGED has done.  By poorly I am referring to cutting the season order short, putting the show on hiatus, and by having it the least promoted scripted drama on the network.  Despite the fact that is was critically the most acclaimed show on the network.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure where you get the idea the show was a giant nothing.  For CW shows, it&#8217;s 2nd in DVD sales behind only SMALLVILLE and only slightly better than SUPERNATURAL.  </p>
<p>For the least promoted drama on the network, the 2.5M average viewers it pulled was extremely strong.  DVD sales are strong enough that DtV movies are being considered.  This is easily one of those shows that could have done better if promoted better.</p>
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		<title>By: Riff Rafferty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Riff Rafferty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Smallville&quot; followed by &quot;Everwood.&quot; Yeah, forgive me. Dyslexic moment. 

&quot;Gilmore Girls&quot; was done in by the creators and then the stars refusing to sign on dotted lines. I&#039;m pretty sure Dawn didn&#039;t set out to cancel it. I&#039;m definitely sure it had run its course.

&quot;Stylista&quot; wraps December 17. &quot;Reaper&quot; won&#039;t be homeless forever. While I agree The CW haven&#039;t exactly rolled out the red carpet for it, I don&#039;t think they&#039;ve treated it poorly. Especially considering it&#039;s an ABC show. They picked up additional episodes after the strike, they brought it back after the strike, and they renewed it for a second season. I&#039;d rather see it held back for midseason than given a hopeless time slot, like Fridays at 9:00. Now &quot;Girlfriends&quot; -- THAT was a show they treated poorly. 8 seasons and they can&#039;t even let them shoot 1 stinking episode post-strike to wrap up the whole thing? And it was a chick show at that. 

&quot;Veronica Mars&quot; was a giant nothing. Nobody ever watched it, and it never gave anybody any reason to. If Mandi hates Ms. Ostroff, she&#039;d positively loathe me, because there is no way in hell I would&#039;ve let that thing destroy time slots for 3 straight years when the quality just kept getting worse and worse. Not that it&#039;s a good show, either, but &quot;Gossip Girl&quot; -- &quot;Veronica&#039;s&quot; heir apparent -- has shown remarkable growth in its second season and is doing something &quot;Veronica&quot; could never do -- holding its own on a night. So that right there was one good decision The CW made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Smallville&#8221; followed by &#8220;Everwood.&#8221; Yeah, forgive me. Dyslexic moment. </p>
<p>&#8220;Gilmore Girls&#8221; was done in by the creators and then the stars refusing to sign on dotted lines. I&#8217;m pretty sure Dawn didn&#8217;t set out to cancel it. I&#8217;m definitely sure it had run its course.</p>
<p>&#8220;Stylista&#8221; wraps December 17. &#8220;Reaper&#8221; won&#8217;t be homeless forever. While I agree The CW haven&#8217;t exactly rolled out the red carpet for it, I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;ve treated it poorly. Especially considering it&#8217;s an ABC show. They picked up additional episodes after the strike, they brought it back after the strike, and they renewed it for a second season. I&#8217;d rather see it held back for midseason than given a hopeless time slot, like Fridays at 9:00. Now &#8220;Girlfriends&#8221; &#8212; THAT was a show they treated poorly. 8 seasons and they can&#8217;t even let them shoot 1 stinking episode post-strike to wrap up the whole thing? And it was a chick show at that. </p>
<p>&#8220;Veronica Mars&#8221; was a giant nothing. Nobody ever watched it, and it never gave anybody any reason to. If Mandi hates Ms. Ostroff, she&#8217;d positively loathe me, because there is no way in hell I would&#8217;ve let that thing destroy time slots for 3 straight years when the quality just kept getting worse and worse. Not that it&#8217;s a good show, either, but &#8220;Gossip Girl&#8221; &#8212; &#8220;Veronica&#8217;s&#8221; heir apparent &#8212; has shown remarkable growth in its second season and is doing something &#8220;Veronica&#8221; could never do &#8212; holding its own on a night. So that right there was one good decision The CW made.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Riff, but VERONICA MARS and GILMORE GIRLS would be better than what they have now.  Ratings wise that is.  The sad fact is that Dawn never realized what she had.  GILMORE GIRLS routinely got over 4 million viewers right?  Isn&#039;t that something that only SMALLVILLE does now?  VERONICA MARS hovered around 3M viewers far better than PRIVILEGED &amp; STYLISTA.  REAPER is another show that the CW treated poorly.  

VERONICA MARS was a hit for the CW.  It will take a lot to get the CW recognized as legit by the viewing public.  Also, I think EVERWOOD followed SMALLVILLE.  The WB used to also have SEVENTH HEAVEN followed by BUFFY too right?  That network was amusing in how they decided what shows to air and when.

For the CW to work they have to get some shows and nurture them.  VERONICA MARS &amp; REAPER were definitely shows that should have been nurtured and promoted better.  If you can&#039;t get them to grow at all then move on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Riff, but VERONICA MARS and GILMORE GIRLS would be better than what they have now.  Ratings wise that is.  The sad fact is that Dawn never realized what she had.  GILMORE GIRLS routinely got over 4 million viewers right?  Isn&#8217;t that something that only SMALLVILLE does now?  VERONICA MARS hovered around 3M viewers far better than PRIVILEGED &amp; STYLISTA.  REAPER is another show that the CW treated poorly.  </p>
<p>VERONICA MARS was a hit for the CW.  It will take a lot to get the CW recognized as legit by the viewing public.  Also, I think EVERWOOD followed SMALLVILLE.  The WB used to also have SEVENTH HEAVEN followed by BUFFY too right?  That network was amusing in how they decided what shows to air and when.</p>
<p>For the CW to work they have to get some shows and nurture them.  VERONICA MARS &amp; REAPER were definitely shows that should have been nurtured and promoted better.  If you can&#8217;t get them to grow at all then move on.</p>
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		<title>By: Riff Rafferty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Riff Rafferty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;My Own Worst Enemy&quot; is in production until a few days before Thanksgiving. They are not doing the last 4 episodes of their order, just completing the current one (to air December 15). I guess its &quot;crew members&quot; didn&#039;t get the memo? 

Dawn of the Dead Network takes a lot of flak -- including from me, when she kept shoving &quot;Veronica Mars&quot; down my throat and trying to pretend like it was a hit -- but I thought she kind of redeemed herself with the Fall &#039;08 lineup. For the first time in history, she actually put together a schedule with good flow. &quot;Privileged&quot; and &quot;Stylista&quot; got compatible lead-ins where they stood the best chance of succeeding. It didn&#039;t happen, but they got them. Compare that to the WB, who seemed to go out of their way to pair shows that had no business being paired. (My personal favorite was &quot;Gilmore Girls&quot; followed by &quot;Supernatural.&quot; And &quot;Everwood&quot; followed by &quot;Smallville.&quot;) 

As for Amy Sherman-Palladino, she chose to play hard ball, and the CW wasn&#039;t having it. Why should they have given her a 2-year deal for a waning show in its 6th season? She had much bigger things in store, don&#039;t you know? The smash mega hit, &quot;The Return of Jezebel James.&quot; Which FOX cut from 13 episodes to 7. Of which they aired 3. Over 2 weeks. (And that was still 1 more than they aired of her &quot;Love and Marriage&quot; sitbomb.) 

Back to the advertisers thing, mind you, they can always, I guess, do what NBC did with &quot;The Book of Daniel&quot; and &quot;God, the Devil &amp; Bob&quot; after the religious nuts drove all the advertisers away. Just have all the commercial breaks be filled with NBC promos and bottom-feeders who will buy spots in dead air, like the Burlington Coat Factory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My Own Worst Enemy&#8221; is in production until a few days before Thanksgiving. They are not doing the last 4 episodes of their order, just completing the current one (to air December 15). I guess its &#8220;crew members&#8221; didn&#8217;t get the memo? </p>
<p>Dawn of the Dead Network takes a lot of flak &#8212; including from me, when she kept shoving &#8220;Veronica Mars&#8221; down my throat and trying to pretend like it was a hit &#8212; but I thought she kind of redeemed herself with the Fall &#8216;08 lineup. For the first time in history, she actually put together a schedule with good flow. &#8220;Privileged&#8221; and &#8220;Stylista&#8221; got compatible lead-ins where they stood the best chance of succeeding. It didn&#8217;t happen, but they got them. Compare that to the WB, who seemed to go out of their way to pair shows that had no business being paired. (My personal favorite was &#8220;Gilmore Girls&#8221; followed by &#8220;Supernatural.&#8221; And &#8220;Everwood&#8221; followed by &#8220;Smallville.&#8221;) </p>
<p>As for Amy Sherman-Palladino, she chose to play hard ball, and the CW wasn&#8217;t having it. Why should they have given her a 2-year deal for a waning show in its 6th season? She had much bigger things in store, don&#8217;t you know? The smash mega hit, &#8220;The Return of Jezebel James.&#8221; Which FOX cut from 13 episodes to 7. Of which they aired 3. Over 2 weeks. (And that was still 1 more than they aired of her &#8220;Love and Marriage&#8221; sitbomb.) </p>
<p>Back to the advertisers thing, mind you, they can always, I guess, do what NBC did with &#8220;The Book of Daniel&#8221; and &#8220;God, the Devil &amp; Bob&#8221; after the religious nuts drove all the advertisers away. Just have all the commercial breaks be filled with NBC promos and bottom-feeders who will buy spots in dead air, like the Burlington Coat Factory.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julia, if the CW refused a 2 season deal, then the fault would be Dawn&#039;s.  I&#039;ve always heard it was her screw up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julia, if the CW refused a 2 season deal, then the fault would be Dawn&#8217;s.  I&#8217;ve always heard it was her screw up.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course it was about money, but a large part of it was the Sherman-Paladinos being unwilling to compromise. They were offered like five million for the one season (according to the rumors I recall) but wouldn&#039;t take it because it was only one season. The point is, you can&#039;t really blame CW for their unwillingness to compromise and Alexis&#039;s unwillingness to come back. Dawn and CW have majorly screwed up a lot of stuff. I just don&#039;t think Gilmore Girls can be blamed on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course it was about money, but a large part of it was the Sherman-Paladinos being unwilling to compromise. They were offered like five million for the one season (according to the rumors I recall) but wouldn&#8217;t take it because it was only one season. The point is, you can&#8217;t really blame CW for their unwillingness to compromise and Alexis&#8217;s unwillingness to come back. Dawn and CW have majorly screwed up a lot of stuff. I just don&#8217;t think Gilmore Girls can be blamed on them.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julia, it was all about money.  I&#039;m pretty sure Warner couldn&#039;t make a deal with them because CW was being cheap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julia, it was all about money.  I&#8217;m pretty sure Warner couldn&#8217;t make a deal with them because CW was being cheap.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well they weren&#039;t removed, they just couldn&#039;t come to a deal. They wanted a two season contract at the end of season 6, but WB (it was the studio making the deal, not the network) refused, so they refused to continue. And then refused to save the show halfway through season 7 when the new guy was doing so horribly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well they weren&#8217;t removed, they just couldn&#8217;t come to a deal. They wanted a two season contract at the end of season 6, but WB (it was the studio making the deal, not the network) refused, so they refused to continue. And then refused to save the show halfway through season 7 when the new guy was doing so horribly.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeh the Creator of Gilmore Girls and her husband were removed for the final season. 

Gossip Girl is doing better now but when they made the fall schedule Reaper had better number last seaon overall than GG which is just my point on why wouldn&#039;t you have Reaper as a full season show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeh the Creator of Gilmore Girls and her husband were removed for the final season. </p>
<p>Gossip Girl is doing better now but when they made the fall schedule Reaper had better number last seaon overall than GG which is just my point on why wouldn&#8217;t you have Reaper as a full season show.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julia, I&#039;m pretty sure Alexis didn&#039;t want to come back because the person behind the show wasn&#039;t involved with the last season?  Which I&#039;m rather sure was a Dawn move. It&#039;s been a while so my memory on that subject might be off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julia, I&#8217;m pretty sure Alexis didn&#8217;t want to come back because the person behind the show wasn&#8217;t involved with the last season?  Which I&#8217;m rather sure was a Dawn move. It&#8217;s been a while so my memory on that subject might be off.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair, Gilmore Girls ended because Alexis Bledel wouldn&#039;t agree to come back. It&#039;s possible CW wouldn&#039;t offer her a sweet enough deal, but they did try to bring it back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair, Gilmore Girls ended because Alexis Bledel wouldn&#8217;t agree to come back. It&#8217;s possible CW wouldn&#8217;t offer her a sweet enough deal, but they did try to bring it back.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob, the number of shows she ended prematurely are amazing in comparison to ratings of shows she has today.  GILMOUR GIRLS, REAPER (although it is coming back), and VERONICA MARS come to mind immediately.  Those 3 were much stronger than the shows we have now.

GOSSIP GIRL is now doing better than REAPER did.  Hard to say what REAPER would have done if it had a full season.

Dawn&#039;s decisions (especially Sunday) have been so awful that the network might not last past this season.  If it does, I&#039;m pretty sure it will be without Dawn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob, the number of shows she ended prematurely are amazing in comparison to ratings of shows she has today.  GILMOUR GIRLS, REAPER (although it is coming back), and VERONICA MARS come to mind immediately.  Those 3 were much stronger than the shows we have now.</p>
<p>GOSSIP GIRL is now doing better than REAPER did.  Hard to say what REAPER would have done if it had a full season.</p>
<p>Dawn&#8217;s decisions (especially Sunday) have been so awful that the network might not last past this season.  If it does, I&#8217;m pretty sure it will be without Dawn.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dawn seems to have no clue what she is doing. She got rid of Reba because it didn&#039;t fit her image even though it was one of her higher rated shows. Last season, if memory serves me well, Reaper was a better rated show than Gossip Girl but Gossip Girl is there flagship while Reaper is only a mid-season replacement. To run a network it would seem the goal would be to pair popular shows with other shows to gain and keep an audience and not forcing people to watch the shows you get and like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dawn seems to have no clue what she is doing. She got rid of Reba because it didn&#8217;t fit her image even though it was one of her higher rated shows. Last season, if memory serves me well, Reaper was a better rated show than Gossip Girl but Gossip Girl is there flagship while Reaper is only a mid-season replacement. To run a network it would seem the goal would be to pair popular shows with other shows to gain and keep an audience and not forcing people to watch the shows you get and like.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HA! I knew dirtysexyj was a lying possible psycho, but faking being a MOWE crew member just kind of proves it.  

Julia, there may not be a CW next season.  I&#039;m pretty sure Dawn is going to be shown the exit though.  Her plans have been horrible.  She wrote off shows that have proven to be much more popular.  She also doesn&#039;t give any love to the Thursday night lineup generally which is their strongest shows on the chart of success/promotion ratio.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HA! I knew dirtysexyj was a lying possible psycho, but faking being a MOWE crew member just kind of proves it.  </p>
<p>Julia, there may not be a CW next season.  I&#8217;m pretty sure Dawn is going to be shown the exit though.  Her plans have been horrible.  She wrote off shows that have proven to be much more popular.  She also doesn&#8217;t give any love to the Thursday night lineup generally which is their strongest shows on the chart of success/promotion ratio.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Seidman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Seidman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 04:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julia: to the degree we&#039;re actually able to track that sort of thing, which is to a very high degree typically, yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julia: to the degree we&#8217;re actually able to track that sort of thing, which is to a very high degree typically, yes.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I won&#039;t be happy until there is no CW!

Also, is mowecrew dirtysexyj?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I won&#8217;t be happy until there is no CW!</p>
<p>Also, is mowecrew dirtysexyj?</p>
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		<title>By: Nick C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, but Dawn likely won&#039;t have a job next year so you can be happy about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, but Dawn likely won&#8217;t have a job next year so you can be happy about that.</p>
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		<title>By: mowecrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>mowecrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the show was cancelled but we were not told prior and simply showed up to work. We were not shut down just completed the last episode. sucks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the show was cancelled but we were not told prior and simply showed up to work. We were not shut down just completed the last episode. sucks</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Seidman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Seidman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, I never really heard the full back story on why all the VM fans loathed Ostroff so much.  If true that she said something like &quot;Nah, that was just BS to get the fans off our backs!&quot; I can see where that would rub you wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, I never really heard the full back story on why all the VM fans loathed Ostroff so much.  If true that she said something like &#8220;Nah, that was just BS to get the fans off our backs!&#8221; I can see where that would rub you wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Mandi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mandi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, when I say &#039;disrespect their viewers&#039; I don&#039;t mean by canceling the show. As an example: after VM was taken off the CW schedule, Dawn Ostroff said in interviews that no final decisions had been made on the show and that they still had a couple of months to decide if they wanted to buy more episodes. So fans (me included) wrote letters and bought Mars bars to no avail. I was pissed but stuff happens.

Then I read an interview where Dawn said basically that the CW never had any intention of buying more episodes, but she hoped to mitigate the fan backlash by making the &#039;there&#039;s still hope&#039; comments. Not only did she have no respect for whatever fan efforts we could produce, she also treated us like idiots. That&#039;s when I knew that I was 100% done with the CW. I know lying in probably in the studio exec handbook, but to the extent that she was just so brazen and unapologetic about it made me realize that she really had absolutely no respect for her viewers and she thought she could treat them in any cavalier manner she wanted. Well I do not hold to that, and I won&#039;t give money to sustain that. I haven&#039;t so much as watched a commercial on the CW in over two years and counting. Just an example. I could tell you my CBS story, but that would take longer ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, when I say &#8216;disrespect their viewers&#8217; I don&#8217;t mean by canceling the show. As an example: after VM was taken off the CW schedule, Dawn Ostroff said in interviews that no final decisions had been made on the show and that they still had a couple of months to decide if they wanted to buy more episodes. So fans (me included) wrote letters and bought Mars bars to no avail. I was pissed but stuff happens.</p>
<p>Then I read an interview where Dawn said basically that the CW never had any intention of buying more episodes, but she hoped to mitigate the fan backlash by making the &#8216;there&#8217;s still hope&#8217; comments. Not only did she have no respect for whatever fan efforts we could produce, she also treated us like idiots. That&#8217;s when I knew that I was 100% done with the CW. I know lying in probably in the studio exec handbook, but to the extent that she was just so brazen and unapologetic about it made me realize that she really had absolutely no respect for her viewers and she thought she could treat them in any cavalier manner she wanted. Well I do not hold to that, and I won&#8217;t give money to sustain that. I haven&#8217;t so much as watched a commercial on the CW in over two years and counting. Just an example. I could tell you my CBS story, but that would take longer <img src='http://tvbythenumbers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Nick C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Schmokey, they haven&#039;t commented on it, but they did shut down production of the show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Schmokey, they haven&#8217;t commented on it, but they did shut down production of the show.</p>
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		<title>By: byeu</title>
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		<dc:creator>byeu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember reading an article about TV vet David McCallum, who was my first tv idol love way back when.  He said he has yet to hear from NBC that they cancelled his series, The Man From U. N. C. L. E., and that was almost forty-one years ago.
Back then, most of the time you sure didn&#039;t know if a show was cancelled-unless you had a subscription to TV Guide(perhaps)-until you tried to tune in to it for a couple of weeks, and when it never came back on, it finally sunk in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember reading an article about TV vet David McCallum, who was my first tv idol love way back when.  He said he has yet to hear from NBC that they cancelled his series, The Man From U. N. C. L. E., and that was almost forty-one years ago.<br />
Back then, most of the time you sure didn&#8217;t know if a show was cancelled-unless you had a subscription to TV Guide(perhaps)-until you tried to tune in to it for a couple of weeks, and when it never came back on, it finally sunk in.</p>
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		<title>By: Schmokey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Schmokey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, I was just talking with Ben Silverman, and while he wouldn&#039;t comment on MOWE, the one quote he would give me was, &quot;TVbytheNumbers SUCKS!&quot;

The guy really seems like a dick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, I was just talking with Ben Silverman, and while he wouldn&#8217;t comment on MOWE, the one quote he would give me was, &#8220;TVbytheNumbers SUCKS!&#8221;</p>
<p>The guy really seems like a dick.</p>
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		<title>By: Schmokey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Schmokey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of mysteries, is it my imagination or has NBC not yet confirmed MOWE getting dumped yet?  I&#039;ve seen a half dozen articles about it from various outlets, but I&#039;ve yet to dig up any that had any comment from NBC.  Is MOWE really, really gone?  Or is NBC staying silent and hedging their bet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of mysteries, is it my imagination or has NBC not yet confirmed MOWE getting dumped yet?  I&#8217;ve seen a half dozen articles about it from various outlets, but I&#8217;ve yet to dig up any that had any comment from NBC.  Is MOWE really, really gone?  Or is NBC staying silent and hedging their bet?</p>
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