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	<title>Comments on: Update: L.A.Times hails &#8216;NCIS&#8217; and its closed-ended procedural ways; New York Times, too</title>
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		<title>By: Bill at Tandberg</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/17/latimes-hails-ncis-and-its-closed-ended-procedural-ways/8217#comment-39662</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill at Tandberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps it&#039;s not a procedural vs serial question as much as it&#039;s a number of episodes per season question. I though the most interesting quote above was:

&quot;We built a lot of momentum coming out of the strike. We cranked up the pressure in the last eight or so episodes,” he says. “It was unrelenting for the audience.&quot;

The season was inherently shorter, so the series itself was more densely packed, according to the producer, who also seems to be saying they&#039;ve maintained that approach this season. 

Perhaps the cable model of 12 or 13 episodes per season would increase the popularity of most shows, procedural or otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps it&#8217;s not a procedural vs serial question as much as it&#8217;s a number of episodes per season question. I though the most interesting quote above was:</p>
<p>&#8220;We built a lot of momentum coming out of the strike. We cranked up the pressure in the last eight or so episodes,” he says. “It was unrelenting for the audience.&#8221;</p>
<p>The season was inherently shorter, so the series itself was more densely packed, according to the producer, who also seems to be saying they&#8217;ve maintained that approach this season. </p>
<p>Perhaps the cable model of 12 or 13 episodes per season would increase the popularity of most shows, procedural or otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;procedurals that have serial story lines vs. those, like NCIS that do not&quot;

NCIS has serial storylines. Ari, La Grenouille and now the traitor have all taken up episodes here and there in between the procedural episodes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;procedurals that have serial story lines vs. those, like NCIS that do not&#8221;</p>
<p>NCIS has serial storylines. Ari, La Grenouille and now the traitor have all taken up episodes here and there in between the procedural episodes.</p>
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		<title>By: Cool</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 03:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gimme a serial over a procedural anytime!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gimme a serial over a procedural anytime!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay,

I was going to mention that military/law enforcement make up maybe the largest TV base in America. NCSI, JAG, The Unit, Army Wives and for 50 years, Cops and AMW, have been hits as a direct result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay,</p>
<p>I was going to mention that military/law enforcement make up maybe the largest TV base in America. NCSI, JAG, The Unit, Army Wives and for 50 years, Cops and AMW, have been hits as a direct result.</p>
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		<title>By: jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mentioned NCIS in some other post and won&#039;t rehash it, but besides Outlander&#039;s excellent point about the balance between quirkiness and broad characterization, it seems to have a little of the foriegn intrigue razzledazzle of Alias and 24 without the heavyhanded possibly right wing overtones of the latter and the confusing twists of the former. Sort of like Jag with a Viagra shot. I think its popular with over 45 military types, and their spouses and relatives, of which I know more than a few.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mentioned NCIS in some other post and won&#8217;t rehash it, but besides Outlander&#8217;s excellent point about the balance between quirkiness and broad characterization, it seems to have a little of the foriegn intrigue razzledazzle of Alias and 24 without the heavyhanded possibly right wing overtones of the latter and the confusing twists of the former. Sort of like Jag with a Viagra shot. I think its popular with over 45 military types, and their spouses and relatives, of which I know more than a few.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing about this show makes me remotely interested in it. An aging Mark Harmon, a very white cast, Goth girl who seems found herself lost in the wrong series, forensics, forensics, forensics. Nothing quirky about it.

I guess just the &quot;values&quot; type of show that pleases middle America! It&#039;s the Dancing with the Stars of scripted TV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing about this show makes me remotely interested in it. An aging Mark Harmon, a very white cast, Goth girl who seems found herself lost in the wrong series, forensics, forensics, forensics. Nothing quirky about it.</p>
<p>I guess just the &#8220;values&#8221; type of show that pleases middle America! It&#8217;s the Dancing with the Stars of scripted TV.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since you have the NY and LA Times articles from yesterday I guess I should tell you there was also one in USA Today yesterday as well... Here is the link for it...

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2008-11-16-ncis_N.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since you have the NY and LA Times articles from yesterday I guess I should tell you there was also one in USA Today yesterday as well&#8230; Here is the link for it&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2008-11-16-ncis_N.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2008-11-16-ncis_N.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Outlander</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/17/latimes-hails-ncis-and-its-closed-ended-procedural-ways/8217#comment-34861</link>
		<dc:creator>Outlander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NCIS is a sophisticated show.  However, it&#039;s readily accessible to people who are &quot;new&quot; viewers.  That&#039;s the real story of NCIS:  every season has seen an increase in viewers, which almost never happens.

Contrast NCIS with my #1 favorite cult-like show, TSCC.  It takes a lot of ramping-up in order to understand what&#039;s going on with TSCC.  A new viewer could watch 3/4 of an episode and not understand Cameron isn&#039;t a person, and not be able to understand why characters react the way they do.  So it gets confusing and nuanced -- and inaccessible to new or casual viewers.

With NCIS, everyone&#039;s role is more-or-less defined.  The characters ARE well written and well developed.  They express their quirks in ways that reward long-time viewers of the show but in ways that do not distract or confuse the core audience (e.g. giving the goth girl soda, or smacking Denozzo upside the head, or Ducky&#039;s ramblings).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NCIS is a sophisticated show.  However, it&#8217;s readily accessible to people who are &#8220;new&#8221; viewers.  That&#8217;s the real story of NCIS:  every season has seen an increase in viewers, which almost never happens.</p>
<p>Contrast NCIS with my #1 favorite cult-like show, TSCC.  It takes a lot of ramping-up in order to understand what&#8217;s going on with TSCC.  A new viewer could watch 3/4 of an episode and not understand Cameron isn&#8217;t a person, and not be able to understand why characters react the way they do.  So it gets confusing and nuanced &#8212; and inaccessible to new or casual viewers.</p>
<p>With NCIS, everyone&#8217;s role is more-or-less defined.  The characters ARE well written and well developed.  They express their quirks in ways that reward long-time viewers of the show but in ways that do not distract or confuse the core audience (e.g. giving the goth girl soda, or smacking Denozzo upside the head, or Ducky&#8217;s ramblings).</p>
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		<title>By: Fin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno i think it is just simple that more complex shows are harder to get the feel of than say a simple minded comedy that is easy to understand and doesn&#039;t rely on past storylines. Its not that people have shorter attention spans its just harder to understand shows (say the Wire) where so much complexity along with alot of it being built up from old episodes. I don&#039;t think its hard for these shows to get on air; many serialized shows may fail over time but they can be 2-3 year hits for networks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno i think it is just simple that more complex shows are harder to get the feel of than say a simple minded comedy that is easy to understand and doesn&#8217;t rely on past storylines. Its not that people have shorter attention spans its just harder to understand shows (say the Wire) where so much complexity along with alot of it being built up from old episodes. I don&#8217;t think its hard for these shows to get on air; many serialized shows may fail over time but they can be 2-3 year hits for networks.</p>
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		<title>By: Thunder Mountain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thunder Mountain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Viewers have much shorter attention spans these days - serialized shows will continue to have trouble just getting on the air on major networks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Viewers have much shorter attention spans these days &#8211; serialized shows will continue to have trouble just getting on the air on major networks.</p>
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