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| Total Viewers (million) | 15.22 | 12.06 | 11.19 | 8.62 | 4.16 | 2.26 |
| Rating/Share: Adults 18-49 | 3.2/8 | 2.7/7 | 4.8/12 | 3.4/9 | 1.6/4 | 1.2/3 |
| Rating/Share: Adults 18-34 | 2.0/6 | 1.7/5 | 4.5/13 | 3.0/9 | 1.8/5 | 1.6/5 |
If it seems a lot like last week, that’s because it was. NCIS was down off last week’s overnights (which turned into a record) but still very strong last night averaging 17.97. Fox averaged 13.03 million. As is typical, House trounced NCIS among 18-49 year olds (and 18-34 year olds) despite having less viewers. House averaged a 5.5/15 among 18-49 year olds, while NCIS averaged a 3.2/9.
Fox’s Fringe was up in viewers and in both demos versus last week’s overnight number, growing to 9.36 million from last week’s 8.88 million. It’s 18-49 demo rating grew from a 4.0 to a 4.2. There is usually a little spillover into the 9pm hour from House, and I’m not sure if that was greater than it was last week.
Looking at the half hourly data for Fringe, it continues to be the case that Fringe bleeds out a lot of viewers from the first half hour to the second. Last night at 9pm it averaged 9.95 million, but at 9:30 only 8.76 million. Still, even in the 9:30 half hour Fringe bested The Mentalist among 18-49 year olds and crushed it among 18-34 year olds. I’m sure CBS is still pretty happy with The Mentalist’s 15.83 million average viewers for the hour, and it’s demo numbers are as good, or better, than NCIS. But NBC’s Biggest Loser: Families bested The Mentalist in the demos, and though it still trails Fringe, it give Fringe a run for its money in the 9:30p half hour where Fringe is better than Biggest Loser among 18-49 year olds by only a tenth of a ratings point (3.9 to 3.8)
Things got worse (at least ratings-wise) for Eli Stone in the overnights it dropped from last week’s 7.44 million to 6.87 million. In last week’s overnight, Eli Stone had a 2.0/5 among 18-49s, this week it had a 1.8/5. Last week Eli’s final numbers were, as typical, adjusted down because the Dancing With the Stars overrun. In last week’s final number, Eli’s 18-49 demo was adjusted to a 1.8/5. Bottom line: if there was Dancing With the Stars spillover into the 10pm hour last night like there usually is (I don’t know) the numbers are down week over week, but if there was no Dancing With the Stars overrun, they’re likely flat. The DWTS results show improved from last week’s numbers.
Law & Order: SVU was up a bit versus last week, and again easily won the 10pm hour int he demos though CBS’ Without a Trace had more viewers.
Last week’s overnight data is available for comparison.
Full details:
| Time | Net | Show | Viewers (Millons) | 18-49 Rating/Share | 18-34 Rating/Share |
| 8:00 | CBS | NCIS | 17.98 | 3.5/9 | 2.1/6 |
| FOX | House | 13.03 | 5.5/15 | 5.4/16 | |
| ABC | Dancing With the Stars (Recap) | 11.81 | 2.4/6 | 1.6/5 | |
| NBC | Biggest Loser: Families | 7.18 | 2.9/8 | 2.6/8 | |
| UNI | Cuidada con el Angel | 4.63 | 1.7/4 | 1.9/6 | |
| CW | 90210 | 2.94 | 1.6/4 | 2.1/5 | |
| 9:00 | ABC | Dancing With the Stars Results | 17.50 | 4.0/10 | 2.5/7 |
| CBS | The Mentalist | 15.83 | 3.5/8 | 2.2/6 | |
| FOX | Fringe | 9.36 | 4.2/10 | 3.8/10 | |
| NBC | Biggest Loser: Families | 8.51 | 3.6/9 | 3.2/9 | |
| UNI | Fuego en la Sangre | 4.78 | 1.9/5 | 2.1/6 | |
| CW | Privileged | 1.58 | 0.8/2 | 1.2/3 | |
| 10:00 | CBS | Without a Trace | 11.86 | 2.6/7 | 1.8/5 |
| NBC | Law & Order: SVU | 10.18 | 3.8/10 | 3.3/9 | |
| ABC | Eli Stone | 6.87 | 1.8/5 | 1.2/4 | |
| UNI | Aqui y Ahora | 3.08 | 1.3/4 | 1.4/4 |
Shows are sorted by viewers in each time slot.
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Time Shifted Viewing – Program ratings for national sources are produced in three streams of data – Live, Live+Same Day (Live+SD) and Live+7 Day. Time shifted figures account for incremental viewing that takes place with DVRs which are currently in approximately 24.4% of all U.S. TV households. Live+Same Day (Live+SD) include viewing during the same broadcast day as the original telecast, with a cut-off of 3:00AM local time when meters transmit daily viewing to Nielsen for processing. Live+7 Day ratings include incremental viewing that takes place during the 7 days following a telecast.
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NOOOOOOOO! Privileged is so good! You guys have to watch this show…
RIP Privileged. I’m guessing their Melrose remake is going to take its place next year.
With ABC there’s always an overrun, so Eli’s numbers will definitely fall with the finals. Suddenly PD and DSM look like much better performers considering neither one has a 17 million viewers and a 4.0 demo lead-in.
That’s what surprised me when that ABC schedule came out a week or so ago. Eli Stone is not a stronger show (ratings wise) than PD and DSM, and it’s not a big awards player (like PD) to be given a push. The sole reason Eli was doing marginally better was DWTS and now even that doesn’t help a lot.
@ Angie: Yes it is.. But maby de ratings are going to get better if the show is after Gossip Girl in december? I HOPE SO! Because if its not, Bye Bye Privileged.
But the question is, is The CW going to survive the bad ratings?
QUESTION FOR THE READERS HEAR: is my englisch really bad? Because i live in The Netherlands..
Privileged is an amazing show. Right now I am just hoping it lasts the season and has some sort of conclusion should the hammer fall. I still cannot believe that a Dancing with the Stars recap special — recapping last night’s show — pulls over 11 million viewers. Good to see Law & Order: SVU back above 10 million viewers.
Erwin, I think CW might make management changes, but I just don’t see it going away completely. You shouldn’t worry about your English, it’s a lot better than my Dutch, and better than a lot of other English that gets posted in our comments!
QUESTION FOR THE READERS HEAR must be: QUESTION FOR THE READERS HERE
@ Bill: I hope so, because i download a lot of The CW shows (bad me!
) Supernatural, Smallville, Privileged.. al those shows ar really good but the problem is that The CW have so low ratings 
Here in Holland there was a channal that has/had that same problem, that channel focust on the family but their ratings were SO LOW! Now the channel is stopped, and manny programs to another channel.
About my englisch, thank you. By watching the shows my englisch get better, but it is’nt perfect (yet). Dutch is a verry difficult language.
I enjoyed both The Mentalist and Fringe last night. But, Finge was a more compelling episode, and I think it showed in the demo.
Yes, House had a one minute overrun.
Might as well rename ABC “Dancing with the Stars” network. Without that show, they would be in the crapper.
Law a Order showed why its is NBC’s best.
The only reason the Mentalist has better numbers in the demos than NCIS is because it airs when more people are watching TV. NCIS beats it routinely in the ratings. If the Mentalist aired at 8 and NCIS at 9 the Mentalist would go down in viewers and demos while NCIS would at least hold steady.
On Total Veiwers
Kyle no its wouldn’t be: ABC may be doing bad but look at Desperate Housewives or Greys Anatomny: Brothers & Sisters. ABC does very well of its but it wouldn’t be in the crapper. Plus Lost.
Vader, just look at the House demos.
I find discussions along the lines of “if ABC didn’t have DWTS…” or “if Fox didn’t have American Idol…” pointless. The point is, they do have them.
ES, that 2 minutes will really hurt in the finals.
House demo is impressive
The Mentalist was very good last night Robin is fabulous.
Wow Biggest Loser did the same as Heroes on 18-49 and like almost a million more veiwers: now that is low.
Fin, low for Biggest Loser or Heroes? Because Heroes is supposed to beat Biggest Loser in the demo whatever total viewers it does.
Fringe did better this week than last week. Good for them but HOuse is still beating them.
Vader, your NCIS and TM reasoning is invalid, as someone already pointed out.
I think with DWTS coming down to the last few eps, it is pulling demo viewers away from TM. (I think that DWTS shares more viewers with TM than Fringe shares with TM).
It will be interesting to see how TM and Fringe compete in demo once DWTS is off the air.
Julia no offence but given the context of Heroes failing: its would proberly be Heroes thats low.
Kinda… obvious
Even though I really enjoy Eli Stone, ABC would be stupid to keep it with those numbers. Just terrible!
Sorry, Fin, but the context was not obvious in your statement. I was just asking for clarification.
I think you’re going to find the 18-49 and 18-34 demos for NCIS will pick up. It isn’t an old and boring show like Law & Order. And since it has so much “buzz” behind it and since its reruns are airing on USA (and kicking butt in those ratings, too), eventually younger viewers will give it a chance. I’m an example of that phenomenon: I’m an 18-34 male, and I didn’t start watching NCIS until 2 months ago. Now I watch it regularly and have even watched a few of the reruns on USA.
I remain ambivalent about Fringe. On one hand, I am a scifi genre kind of guy, so I tend to like to support scifi even if the show isn’t that good. On the other hand, I think the show is confusing, poorly written, and not very well acted. (I think the guys who play the Bishops are the best on the series). And I am not happy about the fact it sucked the oxygen out of the room for my personal favorite, TSCC.
Eli went from a 2.1/5 18-49 to a 1.4/4 18-49
OUCH, man
Outlander, sorry, but how did Fringe “[suck] the oxygen out of the room for … TSCC”? TSCC’s ratings are so low that it’s not even competing for a spot on FOX with Fringe.
dirtysexyj, do you have access to different numbers than these, because Eli Stone, while still looking very pathetic in the demo, was not as bad as 1.4/4, according to the overnights. This says 1.8/5.
Outlander,
I think that NCIS is exactly the type of show that the 18-34 y.o. demo run from (unless they’re in the military)–it will never be a demo hit. Fringe is a demo hit because of its state-of-the-art production, a hot female lead, Joshua Jackson, and of course demo-god JJ Abrams.
I watch neither of the shows.
TSCC is a curiosity in its failure to me. It should be holding its own with Fringe. I also don’t accept that the time period is hurting it. My personal fav of last year, New Amsterdam, had 1/2 of the promo and same competition, and did better.
Is Anna Torv hot? In any case, she’s the reason I couldn’t watch Fringe past the first episode.
Julia, no she’s not hot. She’s not ugly by any means either. She’s attractive, but that’s about it.
Julia,
In one male’s opinion, no, Anna Torv is not hot (tho I wouldn’t exactly say she’s repulsive either).
I kind of like the premise of Fringe, but, as an earlier poster pointed out, I haven’t found any of the acting to be first rate. Just my opinion.
Fringe is a bit of a delicate balance. It has young and attractive enough main leads, but not so much so that it hurts credibility. It has just the needed amount of science to satisfy the geeks without turning off mainstream viewers. It’s episodic enough for procedural watchers, while carrying an interesting enough big arc to keep loyal fans talking.
It’s what JJ Abrams does well in the early stages. I could see people getting really upset with the show and abandoning it fairly quickly as the show progresses and fails to keep juggling all the balls it has in the air.
I end up watching TSCC on fox.com before the week is out, but it’s definitely 3rd place to me behind Chuck and BBT. I’m just very lukewarm about a lot of their creative choices. Mainly, Sarah is way too soft, Ellison… well Richard Jones… is way too boring (I’d just watch New Amsterdam if I wanted to see actors just mutter their lines with no charisma or presence or emotion), and Derek is a freaking embarrassment (way too desperate in trying to get a “Reese” on the show). The frequent and ubiquitous time travel drives me nuts too. I still watch it, because Summer is in it, but that’s about it.
Can’t really say Torv is hot, as well. Though even in the case she would be, that’s nearly not enough to excuse the terrible acting on her part (Just my ’subjective,’ opinion – pointing this out before someone jumps me again for giving it).
And I suppose I fit the ‘demo-god JJ Abrams,’ category: I won’t stop watching FRINGE even though I can’t really stand Torv (which in itself is unfortunate because having an excellent female lead would give a lot more for the show in general.)
I always wonder how the relative ratings would have turned out if TSCC had gotten House as a leadin and Fringe was placed on its own in the Monday 8 pm slot. The premiere ratings for Fringe were fairly mediocre (only 3.2 in the demo) and given the fact that premieres are usually a show’s highpoint and it’s all downhill from there, I doubt it would be the success that it is right now without House. House clearly gave it a boost (much more sampling so even though there’s a lot of bleeding in the second half hour it can afford to lose them) in the second week, the demo rose all the way to 5.2 and has since settled around the 4.0-4.2 range. TSCC on the other hand, even though it is improving greatly in quality, being without a lead-in and in a timeslot that has a lot of competition for the 18-49 demo, there’s not much sampling and not much hope for the ratings to improve.
Andrea, considering Monday Night Football and Chuck did not air when New Amsterdam did, your statement is a bunch of crap. New Amsterdam is gone, get over it already.
My reasoning is not invalid if you guys would analyse what I said correctly. I didn’t even mention House and somehow this disproves what I said about the Mentalist and NCIS? The Mentalist gets a lower rating among 18-49 year olds but more viewers in that demo because more people are watching TV then than when NCIS airs. You’re telling me that if The Mentalist aired before NCIS, its ratings in the demo and viewers in the demo would increase? That’s not logical reasoning at all. House took a hit in both categories because it moved to 8, and if it moved back to 9 both would increase.
Alde, my subjective opinion on Torv is the same. If they could just find some way to kill her off I probably would watch, but one hour of her was enough for me.
Fringe just doesn’t hold my interest. Nothing against Anna Torv either. Though I would categorize her as more attractive than hot.
For the definition of “hot”, and quite possibly TV’s most underrated actress (click the link), my vote goes to Yvonne Strahovski off of Chuck.
LJ,
NA was the best new show of last season. Boo you.
Julia, while I agree I wouldn’t go as far as to ‘kill her off,’ entirely. Be as it may, there is another one who is far worse, acting-wise, than she is. It’s the female lead of 11th HOUR. I quite literally wish she would be killed off at some point (which, almost ironically would’ve almost happened few episodes ago). On the flip side, on personal level I find her ‘hotter,’ than Torv. Go figure.
As an off-topic note, kind-of. Hell, I really should start watching CHUCK at one point. I hear and read about it *so much* lately. Mustn’t be for nothing.
Frank, while Yvonne does fall far closer to hot than Torv, she is also the reason I stopped watching Chuck.
Andrea, considering Monday Night Football and Chuck did not air when New Amsterdam did, your statement is a bunch of crap. New Amsterdam is gone, get over it already.
Outlander, I don’t know why…
Oops. You’re not Outlander. Why are you replying to a thread not addressed to you?
My reasoning is not invalid if you guys would analyse what I said correctly. I didn’t even mention House and somehow this disproves what I said about the Mentalist and NCIS? The Mentalist gets a lower rating among 18-49 year olds but more viewers in that demo because more people are watching TV then than when NCIS airs. You’re telling me that if The Mentalist aired before NCIS, its ratings in the demo and viewers in the demo would increase? That’s not logical reasoning at all. House took a hit in both categories because it moved to 8, and if it moved back to 9 both would increase.
House still gets a better demo at 8pm will lower HUT numbers, thus you’re reasoning is invalid, get over it already.
Julia, I’m curious, at what point did you stop watching? Season one or this season?
Alde,
I heart Marley Shelton, I think her acting is fine. As for Anna Torv, I thought she was fine in the pilot, but since I haven’t watched beyond, I can’t say if my opinion would hold.
I watched 3 eps of Chuck over the summer. It’s cute, but nothing more. As I said before, it’s She Spies without the underlying satire.
Andrea, I respect your opinion. However as I wrote earlier, purely from an subjective perspective, I can’t seem to find any merit in her acting. I’m not able to put a finger on it, though, it just feels off. Then again, so does Rufus (who I personally see as a pretty good actor in general). And in some regard, whole show seems to be off somewhat as well.
But again, that’s just my own take. I might just be too spoiled by the REGENESIS which I found to be first rate science/sci-fi drama.
Ironically, today I read someone’s comment about something which hinted that CBS isn’t very pleased with 11th HOUR. Maybe the initial idea I had shall hold water after all, and they’ll just yank one of their new dramas just because they can. And the likely line-up for possibilities if that might happen isn’t very long.
Though I have a gut feeling that it won’t disappear anywhere. It’s much more likely that HARPER’S ISLAND will take it’s place come spring (which means 11th HOUR will make 13 episode run for first season or plus a couple episodes at best.).
Oh, and I find Shelton hot regardless of her acting skillz so it’s not all negative!
Season 1, Frank. I got about 3/4 through before I stopped torturing myself.
I think with CHUCK and with ELEVENTH HOUR we’re witness poor direction. I’ve seen Shelton in other work where her acting was much better. As for CHUCK I can see why that actress can turn some people off. However some of the episodes this season were much better directed (vast improvement all around even from the annoying friend) and showed the power of good direction.
TV is more subjective to bad directing than people think. There isn’t much time to do retakes, etc. The shooting schedule is much faster than a movie.
Alde,
I would say for CBS, EH is underperforming (it’s losing about 35% of it’s lead in). Harper’s Island I’m assuming will be put in the Friday 9pm slot. I can’t see it being the lead-out for CSI.
CBS’s development seems to be nonexistent at this point–I’ve heard about “Streets of San Francisco” being remade and a couple of new comedies, but that’s it. :/
Hmm, Andrea you make it sound like CSI will be gone for Mid-Season unless I misunderstood your post completely. CSI is 9pm show right now, 11th HOUR is it’s lead-out.
However, personally I forgot about 11th HOUR being on the same day as CSI. That being said, seems impossible HARPER’S ISLAND would be lead-out for CSI at 10pm.
Maybe they’ll just stick with 11th and put HARPER’S some place else. Though I’ve no idea which spot if any would fit it.
Julia I have acess to full nielsen data from ABC. Only for ABC shows.
Finals for Eli Stone were 1.6/4 18-49
The figure I posted earlier was the first and second half hours of Eli just in the 18-49 adult demo.
Hopefully Nick C has my 10 grand ready
Hmm, Andrea you make it sound like CSI will be gone for Mid-Season unless I misunderstood your post completely. CSI is 9pm show right now, 11th HOUR is it’s lead-out.
CSI isn’t going anywhere, definitely!
Andrea, so nobody else is allowed to reply to your comments because I proved them wrong? Stop crying like a baby because I shot your arguement down because it was misleading and based on crap (which I correctly pointed out).
Maybe you should read my arguement before replying to it. House doing well at 8 is irrelevant. Why? Because it would do better at 9! Just like NCIS! The Mentalist would do better at 9 than it would at 8. One of the reasons House has dropped this year is because it moved to 8. Stop being intentionally dense. I compared The Mentalist and NCIS. Please tell me where the hell I mentioned House and said nothing could get high demo ratings at 8. My whole point is shows can get worse ratings at 9 and pull in higher numbers because more people are watching TV then.
I’ll be waiting to see how you try to twist this post into something I didn’t say.
dirtysexyj, DSM has to do better than a 2.6 tonight or it’s over. Which just means you’ll start using a new name and be the obsessed crew member of some other show.
The figure I posted earlier was the first and second half hours of Eli just in the 18-49 adult demo.
So… the whole hour?
the 1.6/4 18-49 was the final for Eli,
Nick, a 2.6 for dsm????
in which demo?
I don’t think it has pulled a 2.6 all season
DSM was really good tonight!!!BTW
livenumbers/dirtysexyj, DSM is airing as we speak for the first time. Don’t you have anything better to do than play games of make believe? Why prove my point that you have to use another name?
check that DSM hasn’t even aired yet.
I would pay at least an extra $10/mo to get the east coast feeds of the broadcast nets. Damn the whiny local affiliates.
i get the east coast feeds of cbs and abc. it’s sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!
to clarify… i’m in Los Angeles… if i were in NY where i’m originally from it wouldn’t be sweeeeeeeeeeeeet it would be normal.
Lots of posts about Anna Torv, I see! I agree that her acting is, in all honesty, a downside to Fringe. John Noble makes up for that, and Joshua Jackson is really developing a good rapport with both Torv and Noble, IMHO.
I wouldn’t go so far as to kill off agent Dunham, but I wouldn’t mind seeing Astrid (Jasika Nicole) take a higher-profile role in some of the eps. Jasika seems to have some good energy; Torv seems too pained at times.
I don’t think its a matter of who’s hotter than who for the leads. Fringe is doing well because it has found an audience who likes the writing, the genre, the acting, or all of the above. Whether or not Torv is hotter than the 11th Hour chick, or Sara from Chuck is hot but annoying, makes no never mind to me. Frankly the attractivness of the leads is not a draw for me (or at least its a very low percentage of why I watch, and continue to tune in)
I love Fringe. I also like Eleventh Hour, and while Chuck has been disappointing this season…I still DVR it. I’m very happy Fringe does well in the demos for Fox, and that it has House for a lead in. I happen to be a House fan as well. But saying that Fringe is only doing well because it has some good looking leads is wrong. If that were the case, all these other shows that made with the “pretty” in the actor department would still be on the air.
(I will *not* mention Moonlight.. will not mention Moonlight…*grin*)
Its the writing. Its the delivery. Its thse story lines, the plots, the CGI, its a whole lot of things. Why 11th Hour isn’t doing as well as CBD would like – has a lot to do with the fact that its ON CBS. If you don’t keep a certain rating/share on that network, you’re history!
And I don’t know why people keep asking what Fringe would do with T:SCC. That show is on another day, another time slot, and on the same network.
And AI being Fringe’s lead in in the spring is awesome. As long as my new favorite show of the season stays on, I don’t care who they give it for lead in. Well, except Prison Break. That show pulls the whole night down for ratings.
I am glad 90210 went up from last week, it was a much better episode than last weeks. I do think they need to still juice it up.
DWTS was up, which is good news for ABC, which I watch most. I dont really like CBS, and don’t watch ANY of the shows they watch. Maybe I am biased for not even giving an ounce of my programming to CBS, but I enjoy the shows that i watch.
I am glad ABC was up. Poor ES, it really is an awkward show, and I prefer SVU much more to ES…
LJ,
I think I read that JJ Abrams said he “learned from his mistakes with LOST and Alias(?)” about the juggling too many balls in the air with plots. Which is good, because I had read that no opportunity for viewer growth (new viewers coming in) was LOST’s problem. And 24.
But I read that he plans to have some mythos underlying the whole thing, but most of the episodes will be more self containted.
I hope he sticks to that and doesn’t fall back into bad habits.
Abrams only worked on like 3 episodes of LOST…so lets not talk about him and LOST together now.
People tuned into the 1st episode and of SCC, (not because of the story) and liked it. Big, violent, stunts, lots of effects.
Look at recent episodes. Nothing, compared to the pilot.
You can now say great story, good character development, bla, bla, bla, but less action and adding more characters for this type of show will only make the numbers go down, or certainly not increase.
Also, you are not going to have a huge, key demo audience on Friday night TV. Teenagers, college kids, and young affluent that I know aren’t home.
Joe, not sure you can say that at all. A lot of people tuned into the pilot, but a lot less tuned in the following night. Then even less this season.
I think its biggest problem is it’s up against the NBC line up and the NFL which share much of the same demo. Friday night theoretically could be better.
Well LOST *was* Abrams show; he kicked it off. So no matter how many eps he worked on, I just hope they learned that using LOST’s formula for episode and season set-up doesn’t bring in new viewers. And those that work for Abrams running other shows he created won’t follow the same path.
Mel, except he only wrote 2 episodes (not even the 3 the other guy said). The idea for the show the story was his. That’s about it. He has already written more episodes of FRINGE than he ever has for LOST.
i cant believe that on a site like this, i need to explain, that the writing process is more complicated than just the one or two credited writer writing a script and thats it…
all the writers pitch the story for each episode, even the exec’s do, therefore theres no telling how many episodes jj was involved in.
besides, the concept and formula of lost was HIS idea, so its HIS show.
I’m sort of with “seven”. Who produces Lost? Bad Robot. Who OWNS Bad Robot? It’s his show.
I liked frienge last night, it reminded me on that one show from a couple of years ago!!! Why don’t more people watch it?
Timmy, Fringe is doing well for a sci-fi show, considering the competition it’s going up aganist. Also, I bet there is a a lot of people who refuse to watch it, because they never liked x-files back in the day, so their probabally not going to like Fringe either. People love to make snap decisions about a show.
Corey, if I was a betting man I’d believe the reason panels FOX had done. FRINGE isn’t watched by a lot of SCI FI fans who just dislike JJ Abrams. JJ seems to either be loved or hated. Which is just fine because there are enough that love him to give it a strong base.
I’m really interested in how the public will react to the new TREK movie. I’ve seen a good bit of it and I’m on the fence.
I still don’t know why people watch NCIS, Without a Trace or The Mentalist. They’re nothing new and there’s a million shows just like them.
Jonthemon – people are creatures of habit. Lots of people feel safe and comfortable when they keep a nice routine to life. That’s why procedural shows that are good enough to get an audience right out of the gate tend to last forever and ever. Habit.
Although The Mentalist is a new show, it fits well in the crime-procedural pigeonhole. Creatures of habit will like it too.
I’m not a fan of procedural cop dramas, but i like The Mentalist.
Word on what Seven said.
I was just repeating what Abrams himself said in the interview about “learning from past mistakes”.
I don’t care how many episodes he’s actually written for any of his shows. Fringe is HIS show and all I hope is that it doesn’t follow LOST’s example for juggling plot-balls.
“People tuned into the 1st episode and of SCC, (not because of the story) and liked it. Big, violent, stunts, lots of effects.”
Joe, I didn’t tune in to the first episode of “Sarah Connor Chronicles.” However, I did read the comments about it on the net from people who did. Many of them hated it.
Speaking of which, do you ever read the Michael Ausiello blind items? He recently had one about this show (“War Declared Backstage at Cult Fave”). Apparently, Brian Austin Green can’t stand his love interest… the cast hates each other… they’re all crazy. I thought it was a bad blind item, because it was supposedly the product of a disgruntled, ex-crew member — and because it fit “Dirty Sexy Money” more (dysfunctional, unhappy set — thank goodness ABC made it so they don’t have to see each other anymore). But if there’s a lick of truth to it, the FOX execs have seen it. Hence, Friday night. And cancellation.
Sooo…HOUSE is moving AGAIN in january with 24…FoX is going to mess this up with all this moving around.
It’s worse than telling a 2 year old to SIT STILL !!!!
I am surprised how good 90210 has become. I’ll have to admit that the Premiere was a little shaky but from then on each episode has gotten better. I am also very impressed that the show has been able to average atleast 3 Million Viewers a week. The CW made a very good decision to air this series.