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	<title>Comments on: TiVo Loses 163,000 Subscribers In October &#8216;08 Quarter</title>
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		<title>By: Digeo Takes on TiVo with Moxi</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/25/tivo-loses-163000-subscribers-in-october-08-quarter/8737#comment-43439</link>
		<dc:creator>Digeo Takes on TiVo with Moxi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] these guys&#8230; After 9 years on the market, while DVR household penetration has skyrocketed, TiVo has fewer than 2 million stand-alone subscribers. In fact, Gudorf pretty much began his talk by proclaiming the Moxi HD DVR is &#8220;not a mass [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] these guys&#8230; After 9 years on the market, while DVR household penetration has skyrocketed, TiVo has fewer than 2 million stand-alone subscribers. In fact, Gudorf pretty much began his talk by proclaiming the Moxi HD DVR is &#8220;not a mass [...]</p>
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		<title>By: steve garfield</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/25/tivo-loses-163000-subscribers-in-october-08-quarter/8737#comment-41081</link>
		<dc:creator>steve garfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got a Comcast HD TiVo.  Works great.  Any issues have been resolved by @concastcares on twitter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got a Comcast HD TiVo.  Works great.  Any issues have been resolved by @concastcares on twitter.</p>
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		<title>By: MythTV</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/25/tivo-loses-163000-subscribers-in-october-08-quarter/8737#comment-40071</link>
		<dc:creator>MythTV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 03:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just build a mythtv box www.mythtv.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just build a mythtv box <a href="http://www.mythtv.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.mythtv.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: WebbAlert - December 11, 2008 &#124; TechTV Update</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/25/tivo-loses-163000-subscribers-in-october-08-quarter/8737#comment-39930</link>
		<dc:creator>WebbAlert - December 11, 2008 &#124; TechTV Update</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 07:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ads whenever users pause live TV. I wish we could fast-forward to see if the new service helps TiVo win back subscribers, boosts the company&#8217;s falling revenue and explains what the hell that smoke monster really [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ads whenever users pause live TV. I wish we could fast-forward to see if the new service helps TiVo win back subscribers, boosts the company&#8217;s falling revenue and explains what the hell that smoke monster really [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Howard_ChE</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/25/tivo-loses-163000-subscribers-in-october-08-quarter/8737#comment-37996</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard_ChE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had a TiVo series 2 with a &quot;life&quot; subscription. When they came out with HD boxes and offered to transfer the life subscription for $199, I took their offer. Unfortunately that was the bait. I discovered that the offer came with a surprise. It has a &quot;free&quot; one year subscription to the second TiVo that they won&#039;t let you cancel for the first year and which automatically converts to a $10 per month plan after a year. When I didn&#039;t cancel it in the 13th month (and I couldn&#039;t over the internet and it took 45 min over the phone) they automatically started charging my credit card (with no additional notification).
Their customer support says that I should have paid more attention to the agreement. I haven&#039;t used the series 2 since I got the new unit last year. They know this and don&#039;t care. They have converted me from a repeat customer to an enemy. All this for less than $20 and one paid subscriber for two months. Technically I liked their product, but they are stupid desperate business people and should go out of business. I know it is in my interest that someone continues to provide subscription service while my HD box works, but I&#039;d like to see these scammers  broke and gone. It looks less like an honest mistake than a very bad business plan. My subscription will expire on Dec 25, I hope the management&#039;s stock options expire worthless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had a TiVo series 2 with a &#8220;life&#8221; subscription. When they came out with HD boxes and offered to transfer the life subscription for $199, I took their offer. Unfortunately that was the bait. I discovered that the offer came with a surprise. It has a &#8220;free&#8221; one year subscription to the second TiVo that they won&#8217;t let you cancel for the first year and which automatically converts to a $10 per month plan after a year. When I didn&#8217;t cancel it in the 13th month (and I couldn&#8217;t over the internet and it took 45 min over the phone) they automatically started charging my credit card (with no additional notification).<br />
Their customer support says that I should have paid more attention to the agreement. I haven&#8217;t used the series 2 since I got the new unit last year. They know this and don&#8217;t care. They have converted me from a repeat customer to an enemy. All this for less than $20 and one paid subscriber for two months. Technically I liked their product, but they are stupid desperate business people and should go out of business. I know it is in my interest that someone continues to provide subscription service while my HD box works, but I&#8217;d like to see these scammers  broke and gone. It looks less like an honest mistake than a very bad business plan. My subscription will expire on Dec 25, I hope the management&#8217;s stock options expire worthless.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Greenlee</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/25/tivo-loses-163000-subscribers-in-october-08-quarter/8737#comment-37578</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Greenlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 19:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is very sad news as TIVO has the best DVR user interface experience of all. The DVR&#039;s from Comcast are very dissapointing. I have a TIVO HD and a Comcast HD box and my vote is for TIVO. People are getting the Comcast box because it is cheap, but it is very poor solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is very sad news as TIVO has the best DVR user interface experience of all. The DVR&#8217;s from Comcast are very dissapointing. I have a TIVO HD and a Comcast HD box and my vote is for TIVO. People are getting the Comcast box because it is cheap, but it is very poor solution.</p>
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		<title>By: tivolover</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/25/tivo-loses-163000-subscribers-in-october-08-quarter/8737#comment-37482</link>
		<dc:creator>tivolover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 18:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Tivo but don&#039;t subscribe to the service. It&#039;s software is vastly superior to anything the cable and satellite DVRs have to offer, but it&#039;s just too expensive. Tivo requires an equipment purchase and a monthly fee. For $5/mo , my cable company will lease me a box. And when a new generation of boxes come out, I can just give it back and get the new one for free. Tivo can&#039;t beat that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Tivo but don&#8217;t subscribe to the service. It&#8217;s software is vastly superior to anything the cable and satellite DVRs have to offer, but it&#8217;s just too expensive. Tivo requires an equipment purchase and a monthly fee. For $5/mo , my cable company will lease me a box. And when a new generation of boxes come out, I can just give it back and get the new one for free. Tivo can&#8217;t beat that.</p>
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		<title>By: Denise</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/25/tivo-loses-163000-subscribers-in-october-08-quarter/8737#comment-37420</link>
		<dc:creator>Denise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 05:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aw, that&#039;s said.  I love my Tivo. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aw, that&#8217;s said.  I love my Tivo. <img src='http://tvbythenumbers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: DaisiesDeathKnell</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/25/tivo-loses-163000-subscribers-in-october-08-quarter/8737#comment-37415</link>
		<dc:creator>DaisiesDeathKnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 03:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget to rule out people cutting cable entirely. You can get almost any program for free via network-run websites or illegal downloading. I have free cable at my apartment but haven&#039;t even got around to purchasing a television since I can watch everything on my own time on the computer...only thing I&#039;m really missing out on is the ability to watch some of PBS&#039;s prime time line-up although, again, I could still find plenty of it on their website or via BitTorrent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget to rule out people cutting cable entirely. You can get almost any program for free via network-run websites or illegal downloading. I have free cable at my apartment but haven&#8217;t even got around to purchasing a television since I can watch everything on my own time on the computer&#8230;only thing I&#8217;m really missing out on is the ability to watch some of PBS&#8217;s prime time line-up although, again, I could still find plenty of it on their website or via BitTorrent.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Cool</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/25/tivo-loses-163000-subscribers-in-october-08-quarter/8737#comment-37362</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Cool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TIVO is doomed.  It reminds me of that segment on last week ROBOT CHICKEN where a guy was so mesmerized by TIVO that he just sat there like a zombie then TIVO came out of the TV and killed a guy so zombie guy could keep watching TIVO.

As the economy worsens people will look for things to cut back on, like TIVO and DVR services.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TIVO is doomed.  It reminds me of that segment on last week ROBOT CHICKEN where a guy was so mesmerized by TIVO that he just sat there like a zombie then TIVO came out of the TV and killed a guy so zombie guy could keep watching TIVO.</p>
<p>As the economy worsens people will look for things to cut back on, like TIVO and DVR services.</p>
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		<title>By: clutz12001</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/25/tivo-loses-163000-subscribers-in-october-08-quarter/8737#comment-37344</link>
		<dc:creator>clutz12001</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holly pointed out what I&#039;d been wondering - there&#039;s probably a big TiVo decline now that cable and satellite companies offer DVR upgrades for as little as $5 per month or so.  Plus, the cable/satellite technician will come in and install your new box for you for free. Very convenient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holly pointed out what I&#8217;d been wondering &#8211; there&#8217;s probably a big TiVo decline now that cable and satellite companies offer DVR upgrades for as little as $5 per month or so.  Plus, the cable/satellite technician will come in and install your new box for you for free. Very convenient.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Orbit</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/25/tivo-loses-163000-subscribers-in-october-08-quarter/8737#comment-37309</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Orbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fakeem,
What? Maybe once or twice a year I&#039;ve had that problem. It originates with the content providers serving inaccurate data, not anything Tivo has control over, so Comcast DVR&#039;s have the same issue. Frankly, I consider the Tivo interface to be the gold standard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fakeem,<br />
What? Maybe once or twice a year I&#8217;ve had that problem. It originates with the content providers serving inaccurate data, not anything Tivo has control over, so Comcast DVR&#8217;s have the same issue. Frankly, I consider the Tivo interface to be the gold standard.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Gorman</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/25/tivo-loses-163000-subscribers-in-october-08-quarter/8737#comment-37308</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Gorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holly is correct. About a million US households a month added a DVR in the last 3 months, but almost none of them were a TiVo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holly is correct. About a million US households a month added a DVR in the last 3 months, but almost none of them were a TiVo.</p>
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		<title>By: Holly</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/25/tivo-loses-163000-subscribers-in-october-08-quarter/8737#comment-37305</link>
		<dc:creator>Holly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Farkeem, More likely the decrease is due to the fact that cable and satellite companies now offer DVRs as part of their packages. People have no reason to pay hundreds of dollars to Tivo when they can get a DVR for just slightly more than they&#039;re already paying their cable company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Farkeem, More likely the decrease is due to the fact that cable and satellite companies now offer DVRs as part of their packages. People have no reason to pay hundreds of dollars to Tivo when they can get a DVR for just slightly more than they&#8217;re already paying their cable company.</p>
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		<title>By: Fakeem</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/25/tivo-loses-163000-subscribers-in-october-08-quarter/8737#comment-37301</link>
		<dc:creator>Fakeem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the american people have finally seen that TIVO was a mirage. It doesn&#039;t really work, since it&#039;s based on electronic guides that may be inaccurate. Just stick with a vcr and save the money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the american people have finally seen that TIVO was a mirage. It doesn&#8217;t really work, since it&#8217;s based on electronic guides that may be inaccurate. Just stick with a vcr and save the money.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Hart</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/25/tivo-loses-163000-subscribers-in-october-08-quarter/8737#comment-37294</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Hart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great data!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great data!</p>
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		<title>By: Tivo Lost Nearly 1 Million Subscribers This Year; Forecasts Next Quarter Loss &#171; TechPulse 360</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/25/tivo-loses-163000-subscribers-in-october-08-quarter/8737#comment-37206</link>
		<dc:creator>Tivo Lost Nearly 1 Million Subscribers This Year; Forecasts Next Quarter Loss &#171; TechPulse 360</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 03:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] business is over. For the most recent quarter, it sold fewer than 500 TiVo DVRs a day,&#8221; writes Bill Gorman of TV by the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] business is over. For the most recent quarter, it sold fewer than 500 TiVo DVRs a day,&#8221; writes Bill Gorman of TV by the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: WizReport &#187; TiVo Subscriber Numbers Keep Tanking</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/25/tivo-loses-163000-subscribers-in-october-08-quarter/8737#comment-37202</link>
		<dc:creator>WizReport &#187; TiVo Subscriber Numbers Keep Tanking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 03:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has a comprehensive and pretty (well, pretty if you&#8217;re not a TiVo employee or shareholder)  chart. Bill Gorman over there writes: TiVo may have a valuable intellectual property portfolio, but its [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has a comprehensive and pretty (well, pretty if you&#8217;re not a TiVo employee or shareholder)  chart. Bill Gorman over there writes: TiVo may have a valuable intellectual property portfolio, but its [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TiVo Subscriber Numbers Keep Tanking &#171; NewTeeVee</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/25/tivo-loses-163000-subscribers-in-october-08-quarter/8737#comment-37170</link>
		<dc:creator>TiVo Subscriber Numbers Keep Tanking &#171; NewTeeVee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has a comprehensive and pretty (well, pretty if you&#8217;re not a TiVo employee or shareholder)  chart. Bill Gorman over there writes: TiVo may have a valuable intellectual property portfolio, but its [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has a comprehensive and pretty (well, pretty if you&#8217;re not a TiVo employee or shareholder)  chart. Bill Gorman over there writes: TiVo may have a valuable intellectual property portfolio, but its [...]</p>
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