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	<title>Comments on: Update: NBC Considers Throwing in the Towel</title>
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		<title>By: Shaun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree I would like NBC to run it more like a business for profit is an intriguing idea but will we end up with more reality shows.  They seemed to be the most popular and your niche audience would have mostly Scifi and BBC America to watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree I would like NBC to run it more like a business for profit is an intriguing idea but will we end up with more reality shows.  They seemed to be the most popular and your niche audience would have mostly Scifi and BBC America to watch.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Cowan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Cowan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still reeling from the cancellation of my VERY FAVORITE SHOW Boston Legal last night. I sure do wish you guys would pick it up! I never watch anything on NBC now, so having my favorite program there would certainly give me a reason to tune in more frequently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still reeling from the cancellation of my VERY FAVORITE SHOW Boston Legal last night. I sure do wish you guys would pick it up! I never watch anything on NBC now, so having my favorite program there would certainly give me a reason to tune in more frequently.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not have any media training, I don&#039;t work for a network, and I don&#039;t study these numbers more than looking at the USA Today top 20 listings.  With that said, I might be dumbing this down, but the problem with all of this is THE SHOWS.  NBC does a good show with a handful of their shows, but outside of the usual suspects, every other show is completely designed to reel in a certain demo (i.e. Lipstick Jungle), capitalize on a trend (&quot;retro is in&quot; = Knight Rider), or piecing together popular formulas from other shows (&quot;House&quot; + &quot;CSI = &quot;Life&quot;).  This kind of applies to all the networks, too, as nobody seems to be able to create solid new shows.  Most of the new inventions are just disasters, and that is completely reflective of the decision makers at these networks and the politics involved.  &quot;My Own Worst Enemy&quot; starring Christian Slater (are you kidding me?  Being &quot;retro&quot; doesn&#039;t guaranteed success unless you are on a VH1 reality show) was dead before the first show.  And did anyone watch the new Knight Rider?  I downloaded the first episode on iTunes for free, and stopped watching 20 minutes in knowing the show was already done.  It&#039;s not hard to identify a bad show, but for some reason it is impossible for these networks to build a good one.  How about you recruit some real good young writers with good ideas and let them work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not have any media training, I don&#8217;t work for a network, and I don&#8217;t study these numbers more than looking at the USA Today top 20 listings.  With that said, I might be dumbing this down, but the problem with all of this is THE SHOWS.  NBC does a good show with a handful of their shows, but outside of the usual suspects, every other show is completely designed to reel in a certain demo (i.e. Lipstick Jungle), capitalize on a trend (&#8221;retro is in&#8221; = Knight Rider), or piecing together popular formulas from other shows (&#8221;House&#8221; + &#8220;CSI = &#8220;Life&#8221;).  This kind of applies to all the networks, too, as nobody seems to be able to create solid new shows.  Most of the new inventions are just disasters, and that is completely reflective of the decision makers at these networks and the politics involved.  &#8220;My Own Worst Enemy&#8221; starring Christian Slater (are you kidding me?  Being &#8220;retro&#8221; doesn&#8217;t guaranteed success unless you are on a VH1 reality show) was dead before the first show.  And did anyone watch the new Knight Rider?  I downloaded the first episode on iTunes for free, and stopped watching 20 minutes in knowing the show was already done.  It&#8217;s not hard to identify a bad show, but for some reason it is impossible for these networks to build a good one.  How about you recruit some real good young writers with good ideas and let them work?</p>
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		<title>By: Theoacme</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theoacme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just thought of an idea for NBC to put something meaningful on Saturday nights that they can do relatively cheaply, mostly with what they have on hand now:

1)  Move Notre Dame football to Saturday night (perhaps start at 7:30 pm ET / 6:30 CT.  They may have to have a reasonable source for a potentially good second game for West Coast affiliates, but they can&#039;t do worse than they&#039;re doing now there.  (Of course SNL would be affected, but would the affiliates mind if their news starts late, if they have a better leadin than they have now?)

2)  They have the NHL contract - expand it to a new &quot;Hockey Night in America&quot;, after football season, and have the NHL do it on a cost share basis - and push it hard.

3)  They have the Olympics rights - does that include the rights to previous Olympic performances?  They do have Al Michaels and a pretty good sports organization - how about a &quot;Wide World of Sports&quot; format - but airing classic Olympic moments (for instance, USA vs Russia at Lake Placid, or Torvill and Dean in Sarajevo?) 

4)  Or, they could just air &quot;The Apprentice - NBC&quot; - where real NBC executives are fired live each week by Donald Trump, with a new assistant - Garry Marshall (as he was in Murphy Brown - his &quot;crap slot&quot; tirade was priceless) :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just thought of an idea for NBC to put something meaningful on Saturday nights that they can do relatively cheaply, mostly with what they have on hand now:</p>
<p>1)  Move Notre Dame football to Saturday night (perhaps start at 7:30 pm ET / 6:30 CT.  They may have to have a reasonable source for a potentially good second game for West Coast affiliates, but they can&#8217;t do worse than they&#8217;re doing now there.  (Of course SNL would be affected, but would the affiliates mind if their news starts late, if they have a better leadin than they have now?)</p>
<p>2)  They have the NHL contract &#8211; expand it to a new &#8220;Hockey Night in America&#8221;, after football season, and have the NHL do it on a cost share basis &#8211; and push it hard.</p>
<p>3)  They have the Olympics rights &#8211; does that include the rights to previous Olympic performances?  They do have Al Michaels and a pretty good sports organization &#8211; how about a &#8220;Wide World of Sports&#8221; format &#8211; but airing classic Olympic moments (for instance, USA vs Russia at Lake Placid, or Torvill and Dean in Sarajevo?) </p>
<p>4)  Or, they could just air &#8220;The Apprentice &#8211; NBC&#8221; &#8211; where real NBC executives are fired live each week by Donald Trump, with a new assistant &#8211; Garry Marshall (as he was in Murphy Brown &#8211; his &#8220;crap slot&#8221; tirade was priceless) <img src='http://tvbythenumbers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: clutz12001</title>
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		<dc:creator>clutz12001</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 03:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh, I guess &quot;visionary&quot; is in the eye of the beholder.  This satellite-to-broadcast sharing agreement somewhat falls into that category, IMHO, as it&#039;s not some parent-company working with brother-sister broadcast and cable schedules.  It&#039;s not like other corporate sponsorships, as most corporations don&#039;t offer an exclusive television channel to their clients.  Maybe not visionary, but different.  Neither term equals success.  Visionaries fail plenty of times before they get anything right.  

Funny thing for me is that I do love FNL.  It&#039;s the only scripted NBC programming I watch at all anymore.  I DVR its first-runs on DirecTV.  If it doesn&#039;t last, though, I won&#039;t be surprised - heck, most of the original team has graduated or is graduating this season anyway ;) .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, I guess &#8220;visionary&#8221; is in the eye of the beholder.  This satellite-to-broadcast sharing agreement somewhat falls into that category, IMHO, as it&#8217;s not some parent-company working with brother-sister broadcast and cable schedules.  It&#8217;s not like other corporate sponsorships, as most corporations don&#8217;t offer an exclusive television channel to their clients.  Maybe not visionary, but different.  Neither term equals success.  Visionaries fail plenty of times before they get anything right.  </p>
<p>Funny thing for me is that I do love FNL.  It&#8217;s the only scripted NBC programming I watch at all anymore.  I DVR its first-runs on DirecTV.  If it doesn&#8217;t last, though, I won&#8217;t be surprised &#8211; heck, most of the original team has graduated or is graduating this season anyway <img src='http://tvbythenumbers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  .</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 02:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;d probably cut The Biggest Loser and The Apprentice back to an hour (the only reason they&#039;re 2 hours is for filler), take out Dateline and move a couple shows to Sundays and they really don&#039;t lose too much.  NBC is playing it safe and cheap, and I don&#039;t blame them for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;d probably cut The Biggest Loser and The Apprentice back to an hour (the only reason they&#8217;re 2 hours is for filler), take out Dateline and move a couple shows to Sundays and they really don&#8217;t lose too much.  NBC is playing it safe and cheap, and I don&#8217;t blame them for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Seidman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Seidman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 02:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clutz, I&#039;m with Julia.  I wouldn&#039;t call the DTV deal visionary (I&#039;m not sure I&#039;d call it desperate either, but more desperate than visionary).  The TAMi cross-platform measurement is pure PR -- I&#039;m glad it does it anyway, but I wouldn&#039;t call it visionary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clutz, I&#8217;m with Julia.  I wouldn&#8217;t call the DTV deal visionary (I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;d call it desperate either, but more desperate than visionary).  The TAMi cross-platform measurement is pure PR &#8212; I&#8217;m glad it does it anyway, but I wouldn&#8217;t call it visionary.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 02:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So...

Monday: Chuck + Heroes (Something&#039;s getting canceled there and I don&#039;t think it&#039;s the wrong one.)
Tuesdays: Biggest Loser.  (Hey America, would you all be ok if this was only an hour and we could put something else on?  Thanks.)
Wednesdays: Law and Order SVU + New show.
Thursdays: Comedy.  (Hopefully for 2 hours still.)
Friday: Deal or No Deal? Apprentice? What else do you put Friday?  A show you know will flop?
Sunday: Football.  Not just during the fall.  We&#039;re minutes away from the announcement that NBC will air old Football games on Sunday in the Spring.

R.I.P NBC: 1941 - 2009</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So&#8230;</p>
<p>Monday: Chuck + Heroes (Something&#8217;s getting canceled there and I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s the wrong one.)<br />
Tuesdays: Biggest Loser.  (Hey America, would you all be ok if this was only an hour and we could put something else on?  Thanks.)<br />
Wednesdays: Law and Order SVU + New show.<br />
Thursdays: Comedy.  (Hopefully for 2 hours still.)<br />
Friday: Deal or No Deal? Apprentice? What else do you put Friday?  A show you know will flop?<br />
Sunday: Football.  Not just during the fall.  We&#8217;re minutes away from the announcement that NBC will air old Football games on Sunday in the Spring.</p>
<p>R.I.P NBC: 1941 &#8211; 2009</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 01:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clutz, I wouldn&#039;t call the DirecTV deal or the cross-platform metrics visionary. Networks have gotten companies to sponsor shows since the beginning of TV. Arranging it so NBC will be showing reruns isn&#039;t exactly a brilliant idea, even if no one watched the first runs. (Which just goes to show you that it was a failure.) And the metrics are merely NBC trying desperately to find some way to make it look like they are successful. And failing at that as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clutz, I wouldn&#8217;t call the DirecTV deal or the cross-platform metrics visionary. Networks have gotten companies to sponsor shows since the beginning of TV. Arranging it so NBC will be showing reruns isn&#8217;t exactly a brilliant idea, even if no one watched the first runs. (Which just goes to show you that it was a failure.) And the metrics are merely NBC trying desperately to find some way to make it look like they are successful. And failing at that as well.</p>
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		<title>By: clutz12001</title>
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		<dc:creator>clutz12001</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 01:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know that I&#039;d read this as Zucker throwing in the towel.  I do say that the vision is not particularly clear, though!  

NBC does have a couple real &quot;visionary&quot; things going on - the FNL deal, and the cross-platform Nielsen metrics are a couple of things no one else is doing.  But just because you&#039;re the first to try it does not make you the successful one!  

I really held out hope for NBC with all the Olympics promotions for new shows.  Bummer that it didn&#039;t work for them much.  NBC can also claim to be the one network that held pace with cable in the 2008 Emmy Awards - thanks to 30 Rock!  Then again, awards don&#039;t necessarily mean advertising $$$. 

I wish NBC the best of luck.  I don&#039;t watch any of their network programming, but I do check out Sci-Fi and USA Network on occasion.  I&#039;d watch UHD a lot if I could afford the upgrade :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know that I&#8217;d read this as Zucker throwing in the towel.  I do say that the vision is not particularly clear, though!  </p>
<p>NBC does have a couple real &#8220;visionary&#8221; things going on &#8211; the FNL deal, and the cross-platform Nielsen metrics are a couple of things no one else is doing.  But just because you&#8217;re the first to try it does not make you the successful one!  </p>
<p>I really held out hope for NBC with all the Olympics promotions for new shows.  Bummer that it didn&#8217;t work for them much.  NBC can also claim to be the one network that held pace with cable in the 2008 Emmy Awards &#8211; thanks to 30 Rock!  Then again, awards don&#8217;t necessarily mean advertising $$$. </p>
<p>I wish NBC the best of luck.  I don&#8217;t watch any of their network programming, but I do check out Sci-Fi and USA Network on occasion.  I&#8217;d watch UHD a lot if I could afford the upgrade <img src='http://tvbythenumbers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: cool</title>
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		<dc:creator>cool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 01:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that NBC is just going in the easy way.. so what, Tuesdays are going to be only Biggest Loser or Sundays only with the Apprentice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that NBC is just going in the easy way.. so what, Tuesdays are going to be only Biggest Loser or Sundays only with the Apprentice?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 00:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow -- the NY Times is reporting that NBC will give Jay Leno the 10 pm time slot, 5 nights a week. 

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/09/business/media/09leno.html?_r=1&amp;hp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow &#8212; the NY Times is reporting that NBC will give Jay Leno the 10 pm time slot, 5 nights a week. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/09/business/media/09leno.html?_r=1&amp;hp" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/09/business/media/09leno.html?_r=1&amp;hp</a></p>
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		<title>By: LouisC</title>
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		<dc:creator>LouisC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 00:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently, NBC liked my suggestion.

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/CA6620935.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently, NBC liked my suggestion.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.broadcastingcable.com/CA6620935.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.broadcastingcable.com/CA6620935.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Teresa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teresa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 00:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>question.. do i have my networks mixed up or did NBC say something about extended seasons back in May?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>question.. do i have my networks mixed up or did NBC say something about extended seasons back in May?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Gorman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Gorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 00:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JT, the TV business is cyclical indeed as you wrote. You might enjoy this post:

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/06/14/looking-back-at-the-eras-of-network-television/4110

But to rise from the bottom, you need someone with some vision and some good ideas. It doesn&#039;t seem to me that Zucker or Silverman are those people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JT, the TV business is cyclical indeed as you wrote. You might enjoy this post:</p>
<p><a href="http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/06/14/looking-back-at-the-eras-of-network-television/4110" rel="nofollow">http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/06/14/looking-back-at-the-eras-of-network-television/4110</a></p>
<p>But to rise from the bottom, you need someone with some vision and some good ideas. It doesn&#8217;t seem to me that Zucker or Silverman are those people.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 00:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest news is the cleaning house they did with all the people whose job it is to nurture the different programming (drama, comedy, etc).  I hear they&#039;re going to try and lure Seinfeld back to help with comedy programming.  Something Jerry has hinted interest in.  He&#039;s made quite a few comments in the last few years about how a Network should use someone who understand comedy to program their comedy shows and not someone who understands demo viewing numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest news is the cleaning house they did with all the people whose job it is to nurture the different programming (drama, comedy, etc).  I hear they&#8217;re going to try and lure Seinfeld back to help with comedy programming.  Something Jerry has hinted interest in.  He&#8217;s made quite a few comments in the last few years about how a Network should use someone who understand comedy to program their comedy shows and not someone who understands demo viewing numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: JT</title>
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		<dc:creator>JT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 00:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t be surprised to see NBC dump Saturday nights.  Really that&#039;s not a big deal, but if they get rid of Fridays, that&#039;s another story.  Anyway, I know we all love to bash how bad NBC is doing these days, but we have to remember that this is a cyclical industry and networks can quickly fade into oblivion and right back out.  Some past examples where nobody expected much before striking gold:  

1994-95    

NBC, having recenty lost Cheers and Cosby, quickly returns to the top with the addition of Friends and ER.  Added to the enourmous hit that was Seinfeld, NBC dominated TV for the remainder of the 1990&#039;s before starting its slow descent into oblivion.

2000-01    

CBS rises from the ashes with demo monsters Survivor and CSI.  Nearly a decade later, they are still reeling in the rewards with one of their strongest schedules ever.

2002-03 

Fox scores its first top 10 show ever with a little show called American Idol.  Combined with a strong staple of shows like House, Bones, 24, and the animated shows, they are unbeatable in the demo.
   
2004-05 

ABC surprises the industry with three enormous hits (Lost, Housewives, Grey&#039;s and Dancing) in less than one year.  Although they have no new hits in recent years, these shows are still strong enough to keep them competitive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised to see NBC dump Saturday nights.  Really that&#8217;s not a big deal, but if they get rid of Fridays, that&#8217;s another story.  Anyway, I know we all love to bash how bad NBC is doing these days, but we have to remember that this is a cyclical industry and networks can quickly fade into oblivion and right back out.  Some past examples where nobody expected much before striking gold:  </p>
<p>1994-95    </p>
<p>NBC, having recenty lost Cheers and Cosby, quickly returns to the top with the addition of Friends and ER.  Added to the enourmous hit that was Seinfeld, NBC dominated TV for the remainder of the 1990&#8217;s before starting its slow descent into oblivion.</p>
<p>2000-01    </p>
<p>CBS rises from the ashes with demo monsters Survivor and CSI.  Nearly a decade later, they are still reeling in the rewards with one of their strongest schedules ever.</p>
<p>2002-03 </p>
<p>Fox scores its first top 10 show ever with a little show called American Idol.  Combined with a strong staple of shows like House, Bones, 24, and the animated shows, they are unbeatable in the demo.</p>
<p>2004-05 </p>
<p>ABC surprises the industry with three enormous hits (Lost, Housewives, Grey&#8217;s and Dancing) in less than one year.  Although they have no new hits in recent years, these shows are still strong enough to keep them competitive.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert there&#039;s another thing you forgot to mention. Not only are NBC cancelling ER, but they are pushing their late night moneymaker, namely Jay Leno, out of the door. Getting rid of the few successful assets that you have is a terrible idea.

When buying a property the three most important words are location, location, location. If you&#039;re running a network the three most importan words are programming, programming, programming. This is the real reason why NBC is in the mess that it&#039;s in. Maybe it&#039;s time for Zucker and Silverman to go?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert there&#8217;s another thing you forgot to mention. Not only are NBC cancelling ER, but they are pushing their late night moneymaker, namely Jay Leno, out of the door. Getting rid of the few successful assets that you have is a terrible idea.</p>
<p>When buying a property the three most important words are location, location, location. If you&#8217;re running a network the three most importan words are programming, programming, programming. This is the real reason why NBC is in the mess that it&#8217;s in. Maybe it&#8217;s time for Zucker and Silverman to go?</p>
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		<title>By: RJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>RJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didnt NBC want to do year round programming?  Yeah, that worked so well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didnt NBC want to do year round programming?  Yeah, that worked so well.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well it looks like throwing in the towel to me! If NBC had some signatures shows Zucker wouldn&#039;t be talking like this. If they could just find one or two shows to turn it around they would be competitive again. ABC had some programming serendipity a few years back where, Lost and Desperate Housewives became big hits for them and then the midseason replacement Grey&#039;s Anatomy became another unexpected success. What NBC really needs is enough shows where they can control a night or be competitive on one. The problem is twofold however, firstly they don&#039;t seem to be commissioning the right shows and secondly they have nowhere to place them so they stand a chance of building an audience.

This feels to me that it has more to do with programming and is down to the recession affecting parent company General Electric. If NBC doesn&#039;t get more profitable soon maybe GE will sell it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well it looks like throwing in the towel to me! If NBC had some signatures shows Zucker wouldn&#8217;t be talking like this. If they could just find one or two shows to turn it around they would be competitive again. ABC had some programming serendipity a few years back where, Lost and Desperate Housewives became big hits for them and then the midseason replacement Grey&#8217;s Anatomy became another unexpected success. What NBC really needs is enough shows where they can control a night or be competitive on one. The problem is twofold however, firstly they don&#8217;t seem to be commissioning the right shows and secondly they have nowhere to place them so they stand a chance of building an audience.</p>
<p>This feels to me that it has more to do with programming and is down to the recession affecting parent company General Electric. If NBC doesn&#8217;t get more profitable soon maybe GE will sell it?</p>
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		<title>By: cool</title>
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		<dc:creator>cool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Outlander, CBS has Showtime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outlander, CBS has Showtime.</p>
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		<title>By: Doghouse Reilly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doghouse Reilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn&#039;t it last season that NBC announced it was drastically altering the way it programmed its 8-9PM hour? Did that ever amount to anything?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t it last season that NBC announced it was drastically altering the way it programmed its 8-9PM hour? Did that ever amount to anything?</p>
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		<title>By: LouisC</title>
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		<dc:creator>LouisC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My suggestion is that NBC strip something like The Tonight Show across the board and on Friday and Saturday nights in primetime. It’s cheap and more entertaining than a test pattern. And they might even have an experienced host available in May. And he does get ratings. Sometimes better than NBC&#039;s current primetime ratings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My suggestion is that NBC strip something like The Tonight Show across the board and on Friday and Saturday nights in primetime. It’s cheap and more entertaining than a test pattern. And they might even have an experienced host available in May. And he does get ratings. Sometimes better than NBC&#8217;s current primetime ratings.</p>
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		<title>By: Outlander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Outlander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>128boy:

Fox spends no money on Cops and America&#039;s Most Wanted.  I&#039;m pretty sure the government subsidizes AMW and Cops is the most cheaply-produced show on Earth.  For its minimal investment, Fox gets about a 4.0 rating and a 1.8 in the 18-49 demo, and syndication rights for Cops.  

NBC&#039;s problem is that its programming is awful.  If anything, their cable networks (USA, SCIFI) have better original programming than they do.  Interestingly, NBC has the largest collection of cable channels of any of the big broadcast stations:  NBC, USA, CNBC, MSNBC, SCIFI, Telemundo, and a piece of A&amp;E, History, Oxygen, The Weather Channel, and a bunch of lesser channels.  The next-closest would be Fox, which has Fox, Fox Sports, Fox News, Fox Business, Fox Reality, and FX.  ABC has the Disney Channel, ABC Family, and ESPN.  CBS I don&#039;t think has anything.  Kinda makes you wonder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>128boy:</p>
<p>Fox spends no money on Cops and America&#8217;s Most Wanted.  I&#8217;m pretty sure the government subsidizes AMW and Cops is the most cheaply-produced show on Earth.  For its minimal investment, Fox gets about a 4.0 rating and a 1.8 in the 18-49 demo, and syndication rights for Cops.  </p>
<p>NBC&#8217;s problem is that its programming is awful.  If anything, their cable networks (USA, SCIFI) have better original programming than they do.  Interestingly, NBC has the largest collection of cable channels of any of the big broadcast stations:  NBC, USA, CNBC, MSNBC, SCIFI, Telemundo, and a piece of A&amp;E, History, Oxygen, The Weather Channel, and a bunch of lesser channels.  The next-closest would be Fox, which has Fox, Fox Sports, Fox News, Fox Business, Fox Reality, and FX.  ABC has the Disney Channel, ABC Family, and ESPN.  CBS I don&#8217;t think has anything.  Kinda makes you wonder.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NBC- ?

For NBC it should be Law &amp; Order and ER.</description>
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<p>For NBC it should be Law &amp; Order and ER.</p>
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