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| Total Viewers (million) | 16.75 | 16.40 | 7.78 | 4.86 | 3.07 | 1.09 |
| Rating/Share: Adults 18-49 | 6.2/15 | 4.9/12 | 2.3/6 | 2.1/5 | 1.1/3 | 0.4/1 |
| Rating/Share: Adults 18-34 | 5.4/15 | 3.1/9 | 1.8/5 | 2.4/7 | 1.2/3 | 0.4/1 |
Football ruled the night, with NBC’s Sunday Night Football coverage of the New York Giants vs. the Dallas Cowboys leading NBC to an across the board victory. Kudos to NBC for being able to pull off the post-game interview with Romo, Witten and T.O. The only thing missing was “So Happy Together” playing in the background.
CBS came in second fueled by approximately 30 minutes of football overrun (Steelers/Ravens in most of the country), 60 Minutes, and the Survivor: Gabon finale. Because of the overrun and not thinking I’d get the data any other way, today’s data is half hourly. It is easier to make sense of the CBS data that way, but please keep in mind that due to the nature of how live events (the football games) are measured, both NBC’s and CBS’ numbers will change significantly in the finals.
Not much else to talk about as Fox ran with a night of animation reruns (I’m sure some of you felt like you still didn’t get quite enough King of the Hill), ABC went with reruns of The Santa Clause 2 and Desperate Housewives and CW ran with reruns of Jericho and the movie Spaceballs. Normally I’d say those numbers should absolutely put to rest any notion of a Jericho revival. But we know that’s not going to happen. May the schwartz be with you.
Full details:
| Time | Net | Show | Viewers (Millons) | 18-49 Rating/Share | 18-34 Rating/Share |
| 7:00 | CBS | NFL Overrun | 26.39 | 8.1/23 | 6.4/20 |
| ABC | America’s Funniest Home Videos | 7.16 | 1.8/5 | 1.3/4 | |
| NBC | Football Night in America | 6.26 | 2.2/6 | 1.6/5 | |
| FOX | King of theHill (R) | 4.16 | 1.7/5 | 1.8/6 | |
| CW | Jericho (R) | 0.85 | 0.3/1 | 0.2/1 | |
| 7:30 | CBS | 60 Minutes | 18.82 | 4.6/12 | 2.9/9 |
| NBC | Football Night in America | 10.22 | 3.9/11 | 3.2/10 | |
| ABC | America’s Funniest Home Videos | 8.65 | 2.3/6 | 1.8/6 | |
| FOX | King of theHill (R) | 3.86 | 1.6/4 | 1.7/5 | |
| CW | Jericho (R) | 1.09 | 0.3/1 | 0.4/1 | |
| 8:00 | CBS | 60 Minutes | 18.53 | 4.5/12 | 2.6/8 |
| NBC | Pregame/Game Giants vs. Cowboys | 15.10 | 5.6/14 | 4.8/14 | |
| ABC | Movie: The Santa Clause 2 (R) | 7.37 | 2.3/6 | 2.3/6 | |
| FOX | The Simpsons (R) | 5.69 | 2.5/6 | 2.9/8 | |
| CW | Movie: Spaceballs (R) | 1.02 | 0.4/1 | 0.4/1 | |
| 8:30 | NBC | New York Giants vs. Dallas Cowboys | 20.78 | 7.3/17 | 6.3/17 |
| CBS | Survivor: Gabon (Finale) | 13.72 | 4.3/10 | 2.4/7 | |
| ABC | Movie: The Santa Clause 2 (R) | 8.27 | 2.5/6 | 2.0/6 | |
| FOX | King of theHill (R) | 4.55 | 2.0/5 | 2.2/6 | |
| CW | Movie: Spaceballs (R) | 1.17 | 0.5/1 | 0.5/1 | |
| 9:00 | NBC | New York Giants vs. Dallas Cowboys | 20.93 | 7.6/17 | 6.5/17 |
| CBS | Survivor: Gabon (Finale) | 13.69 | 4.4/10 | 2.5/6 | |
| ABC | Movie: The Santa Clause 2 (R) | 9.38 | 2.9/7 | 2.3/6 | |
| FOX | Family Guy (R) | 5.84 | 2.6/6 | 3.2/8 | |
| CW | Movie: Spaceballs (R) | 1.24 | 0.5/1 | 0.4/1 | |
| 9:30 | NBC | New York Giants vs. Dallas Cowboys | 21.17 | 7.8/17 | 6.9/17 |
| CBS | Survivor: Gabon (Finale) | 13.74 | 4.5/10 | 2.6/7 | |
| ABC | Movie: The Santa Clause 2 (R) | 9.82 | 3.1/7 | 2.4/6 | |
| FOX | American Dad (R) | 5.06 | 2.2/5 | 2.7/7 | |
| CW | Movie: Spaceballs (R) | 1.16 | 0.4/1 | 0.4/1 | |
| 10:00 | NBC | New York Giants vs. Dallas Cowboys | 20.17 | 7.6/18 | 7.0/18 |
| CBS | Survivor: Gabon (Finale) | 13.88 | 4.6/11 | 2.8/7 | |
| ABC | Desperate Housewives (R) | 6.20 | 1.9/4 | 1.5/4 | |
| 10:30 | NBC | New York Giants vs. Dallas Cowboys | 19.36 | 7.3/18 | 6.8/19 |
| CBS | Survivor: Gabon (Finale) | 12.39 | 4.1/10 | 2.4/7 | |
| ABC | Desperate Housewives (R) | 5.38 | 1.7/4 | 1.3/4 |
Shows are sorted by viewers in each time slot.
Nielsen TV Ratings: ©2008 The Nielsen Company. All Rights Reserved.
Definitions:
Fast Affiliate Ratings: These first national ratings, including demographics, are available at approximately 11 AM (ET) the day after telecast, and are released to subscribing customers daily. These data, from the National People Meter sample, are strictly time-period information, based on the normal broadcast network feed, and include all programming on the affiliated stations, sometimes including network programming, sometimes not. The figures may include stations that did not air the entire network feed, as well as local news breaks or cutaways for local coverage or other programming. Fast Affiliate ratings are not as useful for live programs and are likely to differ significantly from the final results, because the data reflect normal broadcast feed patterns. For example, with a World Series game, Fast Affiliate Ratings would include whatever aired from 8-11PM on affiliates in the Pacific Time Zone, following the live football game, but not game coverage that begins at 5PM PT. The same would be true of Presidential debates as well as live award shows and breaking news reports.
Rating: Estimated percentage of the universe of TV households (or other specified group) tuned to a program in the average minute. Ratings are expressed as a percent.
Share (of Audience): The percent of households (or persons) using television who are tuned to a specific program, station or network in a specific area at a specific time. (See also, Rating, which represents tuning or viewing as a percent of the entire population being measured.)
Time Shifted Viewing – Program ratings for national sources are produced in three streams of data – Live, Live+Same Day (Live+SD) and Live+7 Day. Time shifted figures account for incremental viewing that takes place with DVRs which are currently in approximately 24.4% of all U.S. TV households. Live+Same Day (Live+SD) include viewing during the same broadcast day as the original telecast, with a cut-off of 3:00AM local time when meters transmit daily viewing to Nielsen for processing. Live+7 Day ratings include incremental viewing that takes place during the 7 days following a telecast.
For more information see Numbers 101.
December 15th, 2008 at 9:47 am
JERICHO reruns are rapidly heading for extinction – for a 3rd time, 4th if you count getting reruns axed on SCI FI Network. Average was under 1 million. Ive heard several local affiliates have already dumped Jericho and airing syndicated local programming. The key 18-49 demo is imploding even faster. Even reruns of King of the Hill are getting 4 million viewers. I put the odds of CW airing all the Jericho episodes (29 of them) at 1 chance in 666,666,666. Of course the Jericho Rangers will come up with every excuse in the book to explain it all away including gems like “Nielsen isnt counting everyone”, “Ice storms knocked out peoples power” and “Aliens from planet Klaatu are blocking the signals”.
Maybe MOONLIGHT will be next to get a shot at the 7pm timeslot?
December 15th, 2008 at 9:51 am
How sad it is for you to rain on our parade. It saddens me that scripted TV is the latest thing to become a dinosaur. I am 47 years old and JERICHO is SLAM DUNK the show i have ever seen IN MY LIFE.
Lee
December 15th, 2008 at 9:55 am
A couple local notes that may affect ratings just a tic:
Although Steelers/Ravens ran on CBS, the local post-game was on the CW here in Pittsburgh. Jericho was pre-empted to make room for it. That happens a lot in the Burgh; CW and CBS affiliates share news and sports teams. Jericho was also pre-empted New York for the Billy Graham Christmas special. I honestly don’t know how all this affects ratings.
I understand there are several markets that have very limited CW access? Central California, and some areas along Ohio/Indiana border, have a tough time getting the CW. But that’s another story for another time…
That Cowboys/Giants game was a wicked one, and it deserved to win the night!
December 15th, 2008 at 10:08 am
Sadly, that “most of the country” that saw the exciting and controversial end of the Steelers/Ravens game didn’t include the Bay Area, where we saw Oakland calling time outs as the game was ending and they were down by 20+ to NE. I nearly threw something at the TV.
December 15th, 2008 at 10:21 am
^ Yeah, I hear ya. I HATE the raiders. “Commitment to Awfulness”
I live in northern CA and hope they would black out all Raiders game. They are absolutely HORRIBLE!!
December 15th, 2008 at 10:23 am
I’m surprised that “The Santa Clause 2 (R)” did good against heavy competition.
December 15th, 2008 at 10:26 am
When you look at the damn ratings you’ll notice that the NFL is a damn ratings beast and there’s nothing out there that can stop it.
What a great day of football all day yesterday into the drama of the Sunday Night game.
Would somebody please pull the plug on The Can’t Watch Network (The CW). When you air Spaceballs, that’s absolutely pathetic.
December 15th, 2008 at 10:33 am
Obvious Jericho repeats on the CW aren’t a ratings hit. Is anyone really surprised? That ship has all kinds of sailed. Everyone who was a die hard nut sending fan has seen it and everyone else has no reason to take up a cancelled show. Jericho is done. Toast! Not coming back. Ever.
It must however, seeing as how the CW is in cahoots with CBS, be fairley cheap programming not doing much worse than the formerly original programming. So can we stop acting as if this says ANYTHING about Jericho, that we did not know already? Please?
December 15th, 2008 at 10:36 am
Damn it must’ve been horrible to had watch the awful Oakland Raiders who’s commitment to being just as bad as the Lions has them losing to the Patriots by more than 20 points and calling timeouts.
Glad we got the great Steelers/Ravens game, which was great!
Got a question are the Raiders a real football team anymore?
December 15th, 2008 at 10:37 am
So I’m glad to see NBC do so well. (The peacock always seems to have the best shows) but this seemed like a default. What was football up against besides the SUrvivor Finale?
December 15th, 2008 at 10:38 am
Hot Pocket, when The CW looks around and sees it’s up against not only football, but the finale of Survivor (Sugar
) they probably realize that night is a lost cause and just air something cheap.
December 15th, 2008 at 10:56 am
Regardless if Jericho is coming back or not the show is excellent and the reruns are probably cheaper than airing original programming so I see no reason for them pulling them from the slot at least until next season.
I will forever be a Jericho Ranger. Jericho was my favorite show on television and remains so. I’d rather watch repeats of it than new “reality” programming and endless crap game shows. Don’t even get me started on the dubious popularity of comedies like The New Adventures of Old Christine or Kath and Kim (a golden globe nod for K&K? Seriously? JESUS.)
December 15th, 2008 at 11:03 am
Luckily the Denver game ended early so I could see real football! I always get so frustred this time of year being forced to watch Denver or Dallas games instead of the meanful games the national audience watches.
December 15th, 2008 at 11:09 am
The raiders are much worst than the Lions regardless of the records. The Lions have been competitive in almost all their games. The raiders have been abysmal in a good majority of their games. Whoever pays to go the game are either too committed and have a few screws loose.
The raiders are the 1st team in history to lose at least 11 games in 6 consecutive seasons.
Oakland raiders’ new motto: “Commitment to Dreadfulness”
(note I intentionally did not capitalize the ‘r’ in raiders)
December 15th, 2008 at 11:14 am
Most Raider fans who go to the games were on FX’s Sons of Anarchy this past season and based on the people I see in the hell hole, they do have screws loose. Too bad NFL commissioner Roger Godell had to go to the game yesterday instead of Baltimore or Dallas.
Jesse I hope that isn’t the case for The CW b/c if it is, imagine what they’ll put on against the AFC Championship Game and the Super Bowl. Child’s Play or Robocop, terrible MGM movies like that. If they want to play a good MGM movie, just play the Bond franchise and they’ll easily get 2 million viewers out of that.
MyNetworkTV is setting network records with their movies and their programming the right ones like Home Alone getting 3.8 million viewers this past Wednesday or National Lampoon’s Vacation.
December 15th, 2008 at 11:18 am
I think the Raiders’ problems are figurative, and perhaps literal, insanity on the part of Al Davis. In my youth (20-30 years ago), I was a big fan of the younger Davis, but he’s just sad now.
PTI had an item recently about how Davis’ current behavior might or might not tarnish his “legacy”. Tony & Mike agreed that it wouldn’t, but I think that conclusion might only hold for people close to Wilbon’s age [50] and older. Younger people have little or no memory of the AFL Davis, the swashbuckling, in your face winning Davis, they only have known the crazy Davis and that’s how they will remember him.
December 15th, 2008 at 11:22 am
TK and Wilbon are right, at least if the losing ways don’t continue another 10 years. The thing about legacies is they’re very long-lasting.
Barring some fit of true insanity where Davis runs onto the field wearing nothing but his signature Members Only jacket, syringe in hand and injects his players with performance enhancers, 100 years from now, when everyone alive today is dead, his Wikipedia page won’t likely dwell much on the especially poor performance the last six years running.
December 15th, 2008 at 11:25 am
I’d agree, legacy secure for people over 45+history books.
December 15th, 2008 at 11:29 am
I still like the Raiders even though I’m not from the Bay Area, its just great to poke fun at them from time to time.
Its sad to see what the Raiders have become especially Al. Back in the 60s and 70s this was one of the dominate franchises and the kids growing up in this decade have to watch a bad team just like the Lions, but I do see these two franchises dominating or improving in the next decade.
December 15th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
The game between the NYG and Dallas was dull and boring. NYG could not get anything going on offense. The only exciting thing was seeing both Manning and Romo get smashed to a pulp (really… how many times were both quarterbacks hit).
December 15th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
NBC is gonna mis SNF.
December 15th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
The NFL is hard to beat. NBC had better enjoy the rest of the season.
December 15th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
Jericho was preempted in NY and Pittsburgh, which explains the ratings drop. Jericho is a quality show and is better than much of the stuff that the majority of America calls “quality” TV. And in actuality, Jericho is doing better than what was previously in that time slot.
December 15th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
sigmagoose, although this will do little to penetrate the rationality armor of crazy Jericho-ites, if Jericho was pre-empted by those popular NFL games in those two markets then the numbers in our overnight report for Jericho are going to go DOWN when the final numbers come in NOT UP. [Edit: That's because the overnight numbers above count anything that was broadcast on the CW affiliates during that time period, the final numbers will sort out what actually got watched.]
This explanation is meant more for those reading this who are not existing in the “Jericho 4ever” alternate universe.
December 15th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
I lack the stamina to persist with explaining that NFL always inflates, and NEVER deflates the “overnight” ratings, though perhaps we should add it to the boiler plate so we can ignore that sort of thing in perpetuity. But I heard a rumor CBS plans a Jericho sequel called Juneau and is currently working on a deal to lure Sarah Palin that would pay her millions.
Psyche!
Hey, if the “Jericho 4ever” universe can be insane as hell, I should at least be able to get away with a 6th grade level of maturity.
P.S. Reruns of Without a Trace are doing better on Tuesdays at 10pm than Jericho.
December 15th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
SaveJuneau.com is available!
December 15th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
I’m a “Jericho4ever,” Jericho Ranger, nut case… whatever name you choose I’ve been called worse
I don’t believe that repeats on the CW at 1-1.25 million viewers and 0.3-0.4 ratings in the 18-49 demo will be sufficient to bring the show back.
But Joe Cool – “average was under one million” – never a single solitary FACT to prove yourself on that one. On the CW, the average is still hovering just above 1.1 million. Local affiliates that pre-empted Jericho last night did so for very obvious reasons – Stillers and longstanding tradition Billy Graham. They didn’t just “dump it for local syndicated programs.” Stick to the freaking facts, genius.
As for reruns of WAT – that show, despite skewing older, is doing very well in the timeslot that (to quote Matt Roush) “has killed every show since Judging Amy.” Kudos to CBS and WAT for finally getting something that works in that timeslot. Perhaps older, well-established shows have got the edge there. Nothing new seems to stick Tuesdays at 10 on CBS.
Lastly – the NY affiliates, to my knowledge, did not carry football. They carried Billy Graham. In Pittsburgh, the CW may have been inflated by NFL postgame numbers – but we don’t have local people meters here anyway. And we don’ know about Graham’s effect in New York. Hey, that’s a Jericho quote – “we don’t know anything about New York!”
I think it’s fitting that “The Cutting Edge” pulled more viewers on the CW Movie than did Spaceballs. Holiday type fare, with figure skating and all.
December 15th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
clutz, with all the same disclaimers as above re:Jericho, my understanding from the data provided by Nielsen was that Pittsburgh had people meters, do you know something different?
December 15th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
There was a Pittsburgh Post-Gazette TV Q&A discussing the topic. It noted that Local People Meters will be rolled out in Pittsburgh in 2009. Don’t know how that affects the fast national ratings though. I’ll see if I can track down a link to the article. The PG reporter was Rob Owen.
December 15th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Bill, here’s the linkage April 2008
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08095/870271-238.stm
Quote: “It might be of interest to your readers (and you!) that Nielsen plans to bring this same People Meter technology to Pittsburgh next year. When People Meters are implemented, you will have demographics every day rather than waiting for the “sweeps” and that could begin to change the way that local TV stations plan their news and other programs. Just as the networks now have national audience demographics every day, so will your local stations.”"
December 15th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
clutz, what he might be referring to, and I could easily be wrong, is that people meters will soon be measuring *local* shows in Pittsburg instead of the paper diaries that are still used to measure local shows during “sweeps” periods. I know that Nielsen is rolling out that “local” capability across additional markets now.
December 15th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
I may be late for the debate, but the last time I checked, the Raiders have beaten two division leaders this season (Broncos, Jets). In addition, Cincinnati, St. Louis, and Kansas City all have worse records, but they do not get bashed nearly as much as the Raiders do. Just watch ESPN (the sports equivalent of Fox News), and listen to the bias. Oh, and if it wasn’t for Al Davis, the NFL wouldn’t be what it is today: a juggernaut.
On topic, I shutter to think what NBC would be without the NFL. Yet, at the same time, NBC loses millions. With the BCS recently going to cable, I don’t know how long the NFL can stay on broadcast, regardless of it’s draw.
December 15th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Football is so boring. You have to be a little bit brain-damaged to enjoy it.
December 15th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Are the ratings meant to extrapolate for the entire population, about 300m, or less with fewer cities/towns taking part in samples? How much more coverage does the sweeps provide?
December 15th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
Author name calling and tossing insults. Explains a lot, keep the day job.
CW Sunday nights doing far better than a month ago
Funny UHD Management cited ratings and fan demand when it extended Jericho’s schedule two more months.
December 15th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Ben, my understanding is that sweeps provide data from markets outside of the 56 that have people meters 24/7 primarily for local show ratings. The national ratings that Nielsen provides are meant to extrapolate to the entire US population age 2 and above, which Nielsen estimates at 292 million.
Jeremiah, this is my day job! And you’re being sensitive over your identification with a television show? Get a life.
As for doing better than CW Sundays a month ago, talk about leaping over the lowest hurdle ever set for broadcast television. Bravo!
Jericho’s in that timeslot as likely the cheapest airtime that the CW could juggle up from CBS and Warner Brothers to cover themselves for the rest of the season, nothing more. Nothing is expected of it, and it’s delivering!
December 15th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
idizzle, you say people have no reason to take up a cancelled show. Why not? That’s like saying there’s no reason to watch a movie because it will end. Everybody should watch Jericho for themselves before they form an opinion about it. Yes, it will end after many hours of suspense and edge-of-your-seat thrills but I have not seen a better show since Jericho ended. And hey, Joe Cool, why do you hate Jericho so much? Always the same drivel from you…
December 15th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Bill,
From your link: “Of the 210 Designated Market Areas, the 56 markets listed below are measured by meter technology. Depending on the size of the market the technology used is either Local People Meter (LPM) or a combination of set meters and paper diaries.”
Combined with the Post-Gazette info stating that People Meters will come around next year, I interpreted the Pittsburgh situation as set meters and paper diaries until 2009, due to smaller market size? We’re not a huge city, and I’m OK with that
.
December 15th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
As a Jericho fan, I am not shocked by these numbers for Jericho. I mean-who wants to see a show that was canceled after 2 seasons for bad ratings when you could be watching Football or 60 Minutes or King of the Hill reruns? No matter how good it is. The CW simply knew it would bring in enough ratings to get advertisers to pay to come up with original programming. They never meant to revive it, or even finish the first season.
December 15th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
jerichos dead
December 15th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
Didnt Jericho get like 1.12 mill last week? Losing 250K viewers in the 3rd week sounds like a death spiral. Next time this show gets canned (which should be about the time the Superbowl is on), back a truck up on the gravesite.
December 15th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
anyone know the ratings for Dexter?
December 16th, 2008 at 5:07 am
RAFF, I dont hate Jericho. In fact I loved Season 1 – Season 2, not so much due to the bad writing, plot changes and dumping Gerald McRaney. Its just that there are seriously dillusional people still thinking it has a chance for a Season 3. I left Jericho fandom when the core of crazies (maybe 100-200 people) began calling anyone who dared question Jericho’s viablity or the Season 2 changes, a troll, and shouted them down. These days they are literally creating graphs of number of posts on various boards and YouTube views thinking those stats will impress anyone other than themselves. Now they are saying that once the NFL season is over, Jerichos rating will magically climb. Yeah right. King of the Hill manages 4 million for a rerun, Jericho should get at least 2.5-3.0 million (CW’s coverage isnt as high as FOX but its close)
Jericho fandom these days is very cult-like and creepy. Almost Heavens Gate-ish.
December 16th, 2008 at 5:12 am
MBH – Jericho trending down is rather predictable. Its like the sun coming up in the morning. Jericho was a show with alot of promise but decisions by the producers regarding Season 2 alienated much of the Season 1 fan base for various reasons. Season 1 and 2 were really very different shows. The producers couldnt decide if it was more post apocalyptic survival story or a sub-Tom Clancy/”24″ type political thriller involving evil US government officials.
December 16th, 2008 at 5:47 am
Oh, not again. I like sci-fi/genre shows, so I watched a part of Jericho on Sunday . . . I’ve gotta say, I now understand why the show got canceled. It was just about the most boring show I’ve ever seen. I turned it off and went back to watching Animal Planet.
December 16th, 2008 at 6:19 am
My second post was not posted, hmmmmmmmmmmm shades of CBS censoring what we say. Go Rangers !!!!! SEMPER FI
December 16th, 2008 at 6:28 am
Joe Cool – I hereby dub thee Soylent 4.0
How many millions of posts will it take for you to realize that dillusional is not a word? In any case, it’s nice to know you still lurk on UHD and other Jericho boards. It’s fun to see how obsessed you are with pointing out your own delusions regarding Jericho’s fandom. It’s a fandom just like any other fandom. The fandom is hard-core, cultish (as in “cult hit,” “cult classic,” etc…), and a whole lot of fun! Too bad you simply cannot understand the notion that some of us did not interpret JS2 the same negative way that you did. To do so, you must understand that yours is an OPINION, not a FACT
.
December 16th, 2008 at 6:58 am
jerichoguy, I don’t know what happened to your post, but if Robert and Bill were going to censor people for their opinions (abusive behavior, foul language, and spamming aside), they would have started it a long time ago with the cable news threads or the crazed Moonlight fans. More likely your post got caught by the spam filter for some odd reason.
December 16th, 2008 at 7:53 am
jerichoguy, it’s never likely that we are censoring comments, particularly at 6:19am Pacific. As for where your first comment went, I have no idea, it was not in the spam filter.
December 16th, 2008 at 7:53 am
RAFF, I agree actually. What I meant was less individual people should never watch Jericho anymore, it was more that I do not really expect them to flock to a show that’s got the canned sticker in masses and suddenly make it a surprise rerun ratings hit.
December 16th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
There seems to be some misunderstanding on what happened to Jericho last Sunday… So for the record Jericho was preempted in at least two markets New York and Pittsburgh and not for football but for a Billy Graham special was ran in its place.
Those are two HUGE markets that are missing from the Jericho numbers.
And Clutz I believe you are correct we have located the troll Soylent from the CBS board.
Mark
December 16th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Mark, The numbers posted here INCLUDE viewing the pre-empted markets. The overnight numbers show everyone who was watching that network/affiliate during each half-hour. The final numbers (posted later that day or the next on pifeedback, sitcomsonline, and a few other places, and in the weekly numbers on this site) are adjusted to remove the pre-empted markets to show how many people were watching a specific program.
Since Jericho was pre-empted in a couple of markets, the numbers here are actually higher than the final numbers.
December 16th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Jericho was re aired at 11:00 pm so what your saying is that had no effect.
The New York metropolitan area alone accounts for over 20 million people.
December 16th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
everyone, I suggest you ignore all future posts from Mark. I don’t think he intends to be a troll, but he winds up achieving such status nonetheless. I’ll be ignoring future comments except to say that the reairings at 11pm are not included in the numbers either above, or the weekly numbers. They are measured, and both the local affiliate and the CW certainly wind up seeing those numbers, but Nielsen doesn’t include the out of timeslot airings in the normal timeslot tallies. That’s true of any show that is preempted and airs out of it’s time slot and not just Jericho.
The NYC metro area is not 20 million, not according to Nielsen, the US Government or New York or New Jersey. Nielsen pegs it at 7.4 million for the current season
December 16th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City
The New York metropolitan area’s population is also the nation’s highest, estimated at 19,750,000 people over 6,720 square miles (17,400 km2) in three states.[7]
December 16th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
Does a pre-emption make a difference in the final numbers? Yes (more so with a popular show, but still). Would Jericho have gotten more than 900,000 viewers if it weren’t pre-empted? Possibly. Does the pre-emption explain the total 250,000 viewer drop from last week. Seriously doubtful. Does anyone besides Jericho fanatics care? No.
December 16th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
Sorry Robert, I posted before I saw your suggestion.
December 16th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
It’s OK he’s not egregiously a troll, he’s just an irrational fan. and in his defense it’s true the #s I cited measure only television homes, and not people. But the fact is, almost none of the people (relatively speaking) in the New York metro area watch the reruns of Jericho when it’s *not* preempted, so getting worked up by the preemption seems awfully silly.
December 16th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Lets take a show off NYC and Pittsburgh and other football markets and try and spin that away. Not good reporting to omit that little fact Robert, but you are biased but controlled by the click on all things Jericho.
Funny second half hour was 1.09M and trending near last weeks episode. Better than CW last year and 3 weeks ago to I might ad!
Football rules Sundays.
December 16th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
Spin? About Jericho? hahahahaha. that is funny.
December 16th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
Mark – just checked back on this page. I think we’ve got a Scooby Doo episode going on here with Joe Cool – first mask pulled off and there’s Soylent! If we pull the Soylent mask, will we see Nina Tassler or Les Moonves, LOL?!? Actually we won’t se either – the CBS execs probably wouldn’t spout off about how Jericho veered “too politically Left” in Season 2. Maybe we’d see Sean Hannity? Just kidding – I like Hannity
Back on-topic. I do think some major market pre-emptions combined with a big football night on all networks cut into Jericho’s numbers on this particular week. It was a rebroadcast of a canceled (sadly) show, up against major football and holiday fare. And it still did better than Valentine! Let’s see what happens over the next few weeks.
December 16th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Clutz, c’mon. I mean, really, c’mon! Spaceballs did better than Valentine too — so?
What is the next few weeks going to tell you? Even if it’s back up over a million. Even if it’s 1.5 million (which doesn’t seem likely honestly), what’s it going to tell you?
December 16th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
With all due respect, Mr. Seidman, this blog has always been quick to jump on the Jericho Doomsday bandwagon. Sure, low ratings are the main reason it was canceled. Sure, what’s airing on the CW are merely repeats of the canceled show. Still, I get the feeling you are all-too-quick to support the idea that we are seeing doom in ratings this week. This week was a single run where ratings dipped below the 1MM mark for Jericho, mainly in the first half hour. I went and checked the weekly final ratings for previous Jericho episodes – they stayed pretty close to the overnight numbers. So in this case, one ratings dip does not a “downward trend” make. Pre-emptions played a factor. Darn good football on other networks played a factor (post-games, pre-games, yadda yadda yadda). I withold any judgement until I see a few more weeks and a few more numbers.
And yes, I do understand that ratings of a couple million won’t be cause for the CW to pick up new episodes. We’d need to see a solid 3 million viewers, and 18-49 demos that at least crack the 1.0 mark, IMHO, to even consider movie or spinoff options. Jericho fans are just everyday people, building great friendships while sharing a passion for a wonderful scripted drama. So what if we dream big once in a while
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December 16th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Hey I was just writing before I saw your response, Robert!
Spaceballs did OK, but not as good as Cutting Edge (with Jericho’s own D.B. Sweeney).
Already answered your “ratings will tell me what?” question before I even saw it
December 16th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Clutz, with all due respect, you have a screw or few loose. Jericho’s doom is behind it. I don’t read *anything* at all into this week’s ratings versus last week’s, or the week before that. Do I think the preemptions effected this week’s final numbers? Sure. But whether that’s by 50,000 or 200,000…so what? I don’t mean any disrespect, but seriously and literally, so what?
There is no chance, none of 3 million viewers and solid demo numbers for reruns on the CW Sunday nights. If it happened it would certainly be interesting to talk about. But if a million dollars fell out of the sky and rained down on you, that too would be interesting. Neither is happening, so I don’t understand thinking about it. Obsessing over it is as crazy as obsessing over a million dollars falling out of the sky.
December 16th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
I’m not *that* obsessed, sir. I enjoy watching how the repeats are doing. I am a *tiny* bit obsessed with studying trends – I love SPC charts, experimental design and analysis, all sorts of fun with numbers. I guess that means I do have a screw loose, but not the one you are implying. I noted what I believe would be needed, in terms of numbers, happen for any new Jericho development considerations. I did not note that I believe 3MM viewers will actually happen. It would be cool if it did. The million dollars falling out of the sky is a fun dream too, though scientifically impossible. Theoretically, 3MM Jericho viewers would mean “X” number of Nielsen meters/diaries tuned into the show for at least what – 15 minutes? So one of those dreams is statistically a possibility. Not saying I believe it will, just saying it’s scientifically possible!
December 16th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
Funny UHD extended Jericho and CW added it to boost Sunday Ratings which it did.
And we are talking 2 year old reruns. And you are covering it and writing about Jericho!
Thanks Robert
December 16th, 2008 at 11:29 pm
Regardless, JERICHO is doing what The CW wanted it to do – Doing better than the Show it replaced,improved the time-slot over last years and cost next to nothing to do it.
Besides,they’ll do ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING to keep from turning Sunday night back over to the affilates!