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| Total Viewers (million) | 9.40 | 7.10 | 4.21 | 3.99 | 1.19 |
| Rating/Share: Adults 18-49 | 2.1/7 | 2.4/7 | 1.7/5 | 1.1/4 | 0.5/1 |
More thinking on whether FOX might pull TSCC earlier than planned.
UPDATE: Dollhouse averaged 4.72 million and a 2.0/6 (rating share) among 18-49 year olds in its serues premiere. Things weren’t as pretty for Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles: 3.71 million and a 1.4/5 with the 18-49 crowd. I will update with all the rest of the night’s info shortly.
Update #2: now updated with half hourly data.
Update #3: Dollhouse performed well with MEN according to FOX:
At 9p, the series premiere of DOLLHOUSE increased to a 2.0/6 among Adults 18-49, ranking No. 2 in its time period among Adults 18-49 and Adults 18-34 and No. 1 among Male demos. DOLLHOUSE built upon its 8p lead-in by +54% among Adults 18-49 (2.0/6 vs. 1.3/5), by +55% among Adults 18-34 (1.7/6 vs. 1.1/4) and by +27% among Total Viewers (4.7 vs. 3.7 Mil.) while delivering FOX’s highest rated Friday series premiere in over four years (since 1/14/05, Jonny Zero) among Adults 18-49 and Adults 18-34.
The series debut of DOLLHOUSE also out-delivered FOX’s prior season average in the Friday 9p hour by +25% among Adults 18-49 (2.0/6 vs. 1.6/5) and by +21% among Adults 18-34 (1.7/6 vs. 1.4/5). Finally, DOLLHOUSE was the highest rated Friday FOX entertainment telecast of the broadcast season among Adults 18-49.
Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles also fared better w/men:
The Friday time period premiere of TERMINATOR: THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES opened the night with a 1.3/5 at 8p, ranking No. 3 in its hour among Adults 18-49 and Adults 18-34 and No. 1 among Men 18-49/18-34.
CBS won the night in total viewers, but a very strong performance from 20/20 led ABC to a demographic victory among 18-49 year olds.
I think Dollhouse did about how most people expected it to, the best news to offer is that more tuned in for it than TSCC and on average they stuck around (there was no drop off in the second half hour). The news for TSCC isn’t as good. 
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Happy Valentine’s Day! We haven’t seen any numbers yet, and for Friday and Saturday data, like most everyone else, we’re at the mercy of the Internet. But I’ll be scouring it so you don’t have to and hopefully by 9am PT or so we’ll see some information. I know there are at least five of you who are interested in seeing how Dollhouse and Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles did. I will update this post with the info and all the rest of the Friday night data as well (there are more than a few fans of Ghost Whisperer, Flashpoint and Numb3rs around).
While we’re waiting — a couple of things. While like most of the reviewers, I didn’t think Dollhouse’s premiere was a fantastic episode. But I also didn’t think it was very hard to follow. Not sure it’s for the masses, but it hardly seemed over anyone’s head. It’s not like accidentally not watching the last 15 minutes of last week’s Damages and then watching the next episode. That can produce a lot of, “Wait! What!?!?!?!” I didn’t have that experience with Dollhouse at all.
The eye candy actually did work for me, and I’m not talking about Eliza Dushku. Notably, I thought they had both Dushku and Summer Glau way more glammed up for the promotional hosting spots than the episodes — but they certainly both looked gorgeous. I’m talking about Dollhouse just being eye candy in general. It looked absolutely great in high definition on the big screen.
It has been interesting reading some of the takes on the internets about last night’s TSCC.
Full details:
| Time | Net | Show | Viewers (Millons) | 18-49 Rating/Share |
| 8:00 | CBS | Ghost Whisperer | 10.16 | 2.2/8 |
| ABC | Wife Swap | 4.33 | 1.4/5 | |
| NBC | Howie Do It | 4.08 | 1.2/4 | |
| FOX | Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles | 3.90 | 1.4/5 | |
| CW | Everybody Hates Chris | 1.36 | 0.5/2 | |
| 8:30 | CBS | Ghost Whisperer | 10.53 | 2.5/8 |
| ABC | Wife Swap | 4.21 | 1.5/5 | |
| NBC | Howie Do It | 3.78 | 1.1/4 | |
| FOX | Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles | 3.52 | 1.3/4 | |
| CW | The Game | 1.53 | 0.6/2 | |
| 9:00 | CBS | Flashpoint | 8.70 | 1.8/6 |
| ABC | Supernanny | 5.62 | 2.0/6 | |
| FOX | Dollhouse | 4.73 | 2.0/6 | |
| NBC | Friday Night Lights | 3.50 | 1.1/4 | |
| CW | 13: Fear is Real | 1.00 | 0.4/1 | |
| 9:30 | CBS | Flashpoint | 9.02 | 1.9/6 |
| ABC | Supernanny | 6.58 | 2.4/7 | |
| FOX | Dollhouse | 4.70 | 2.0/6 | |
| NBC | Friday Night Lights | 3.42 | 1.1/3 | |
| CW | 13: Fear is Real | 0.89 | 0.3/1 | |
| 10:00 | ABC | 20/20 | 10.86 | 3.4/10 |
| CBS | Numb3rs | 9.05 | 2.0/6 | |
| NBC | Dateline | 4.10 | 1.0/3 | |
| 10:30 | ABC | 20/20 | 11.00 | 3.5/11 |
| CBS | Numb3rs | 8.95 | 2.0/6 | |
| NBC | Dateline | 5.08 | 1.3/4 |
Shows are sorted by viewers in each time slot.
Nielsen TV Ratings: ©2009 The Nielsen Company. All Rights Reserved. Source Marc Berman/Mediaweek.
Definitions:
Fast Affiliate Ratings: These first national ratings, including demographics, are available at approximately 11 AM (ET) the day after telecast, and are released to subscribing customers daily. These data, from the National People Meter sample, are strictly time-period information, based on the normal broadcast network feed, and include all programming on the affiliated stations, sometimes including network programming, sometimes not. The figures may include stations that did not air the entire network feed, as well as local news breaks or cutaways for local coverage or other programming. Fast Affiliate ratings are not as useful for live programs and are likely to differ significantly from the final results, because the data reflect normal broadcast feed patterns. For example, with a World Series game, Fast Affiliate Ratings would include whatever aired from 8-11PM on affiliates in the Pacific Time Zone, following the live football game, but not game coverage that begins at 5PM PT. The same would be true of Presidential debates as well as live award shows and breaking news reports.
Rating: Estimated percentage of the universe of TV households (or other specified group) tuned to a program in the average minute. Ratings are expressed as a percent.
Share (of Audience): The percent of households (or persons) using television who are tuned to a specific program, station or network in a specific area at a specific time. (See also, Rating, which represents tuning or viewing as a percent of the entire population being measured.)
Time Shifted Viewing – Program ratings for national sources are produced in three streams of data – Live, Live+Same Day (Live+SD) and Live+7 Day. Time shifted figures account for incremental viewing that takes place with DVRs which are currently in approximately 24.4% of all U.S. TV households. Live+Same Day (Live+SD) include viewing during the same broadcast day as the original telecast, with a cut-off of 3:00AM local time when meters transmit daily viewing to Nielsen for processing. Live+7 Day ratings include incremental viewing that takes place during the 7 days following a telecast.
For more information see Numbers 101.
Did much better in the demo than I was guessing, but worse in viewers. But will this finally put all speculation that TSCC will be back to rest? (Answer: No.)
I really disliked Dollhouse. I’m counting on a drop, I doubt it will be around for long. Terminator’s numbers… wow. HORRIBLE.
TSCC 3,71 million viewers? It’s really bad, really really bad, and I’m really sad…
Not as bad as i though for dollhouse in the demo. Lower in the viewers than I expected though.
Awful for TSCC. Why is this show still on the air?
Maybe it won’t put the speculation to rest, but TSCC is dead. 99.9%…
wow both shows pretty much flopped.
i was expecting better from terminator. and i was expecting dollhouse to have more viewers although its demo numbers were inline with what i had guessed
The half hours would be interesting to see for Dollhouse. I wonder if people were as turned off as the [non-fanboy] reviews make it seem.
Why 20/20 was so high last night? I think this is the first time in YEARS that CBS is second on Friday against regular programming.
So I guess we can now confirm that TTSCC is in its final season. We can also confirm that Dollhouse will have to do better to get a next season and for me personally I can also confirm the feeling i’ve had for a while that the serialized drama/action shows I really like are becoming more and more sparse.
I mean, several years ago we started with 24, The Unit, TTSCC, BSG, Heroes, LOST, PB, etc… How many new shows of the same quality (remember, talking about my own experience) have been launched in the last two years? Perhaps a few (Mentalist, Burn Notice) but they are less serialized and more “mainstream”.
Are the golden ages of serialized top quality action/drama shows over?
Dollhouse sucked
Just like all his other works , the only Plus point is that he has this Overly Enthusiast Teens fan base who hype him and his shows to death
is this a valentine’s fools?
Julia
9:00
Fox – Dollhouse (premiere)
Viewers: 4.73 million (#3), A18-49: 2.0/ 6 (#1t)
9:30
Fox – Dollhouse (premiere)
Viewers: 4.70 million (#3), A18-49: 2.0/ 6 (#2)
source: pifeedback.com
Wow, what a downer. Don’t really know what else to say.
Obviously TSCC must improve to be kept around or it’s toast. If DOLLHOUSE keeps those numbers it will make FOX have a tough decision. That 2.0 is right where things “get interesting,” for them.
In TSCC’s favor is that while overall numbers are extremely low, their demo score matches both COPS, ARE YOU SMARTER THAN A FIFTH GRADER, and only .1 behind the HOUSE repeat.
I wouldn’t be shocked if FOX releases a PR that DOLLHOUSE had the highest demo for a FOX Friday in X time. DOLLHOUSE also used the Remote Free TV plan, so it should be interesting to see the C3 numbers on the show.
Ohh and not to forget the FANS who will start blaming FOX, economy , recession , madonna blah blah blah … lets get ready for the Whiners now
Wow, I’m really shocked. I thought Dollhouse would have a better start, not that I watched it though. I didn’t find the idea interesting. I’m more surprised that Terminator didn’t at least get it’s regular audience of about 5 million. It got that when Dancing With The Friggin’ Stars was on at the same time in the fall. I thought there was at least a die hard bunch of viewers for that show.
Goodbye Summer. Sad
Dollhouse was gone before it even aired. There’s no way FOX it’s gonna keep it
But, Nick, those other shows you mentioned that TSCC matches cost nothing compared to the cost of a scripted show. So I wouldn’t call that being in its favor. It’s more, even these cheap shows can get that demo, so bye-bye TSCC.
Ouch!!!!!!!!! For Fox, i think that cable has now managed to take over Fridays with their shows on friday doing well. Bad numbers for TSCC but for Dollhouse it might just be able to climb onto the fence 2.0 18-49 isn’t that bad for friday and it only had to have like 4.72 mil, whereas GW needs like 10-11 mil for a 2.6, it did okay. Seems D may have a better 18-49 audience nicht. But still i think they’re both screwed
Jimmy, I think TSCC is still on the air because it’s a great show and Fox wants to give it as much of a chance as possible. Sadly, I don’t think it’s going to have a third season if that 18-49 demo doesn’t pick up. All is not lost, though. There are always the DVR numbers and DVD purchases to take into consideration. I’m holding out hope. This is my favorite show on television, so I’m obligated to be hopeful.
Nick C, sadly I see ZERO chance for a recovery for TSCC. Serialized shows picking up viewers is a rare to impossible feat. Unrealistic fans who will cling to any hope possible will obsess for weeks over the LIVE+7 numbers, but it won’t matter.
I really enjoyed last night’s TSCC (much more than Dollhouse, actually) but none of that will make a bit of difference.
btw, the post has been updated with all the half hourly data…
Flashpoint third in demos? It seems Flashpoint is not the salvation of CBS was excpecting for
@alana
you must be joking right? SCCC is practically canceled
I Cant’t believe that people watch Supernanny instead Dollhouse. These people onlu like realities and crime shows. Shame!
Wow, FNL took a beating last night.
DVRs will help the ratings grow! And DVDs! And Fridays suck too much for anything to succeed! That stupid, generic Flashpoint is a rerun next week so more people will watch Dollhouse then! Next week’s episode is supposed to be even better, so even more people will watch it then! Joss’s shows always start slow and then get better, and people will realize that! If only FOX had let Joss do whatever he wanted to do, this show would be a huge hit! It didn’t get enough advertising! The advertising it got was cheesy and made the show look slutty! If only Joss hadn’t done the show with FOX, this would be as popular as CSI! The critics who don’t like the show are wrong; this was the best pilot ever! I bet the show does really well with people who earn $100,000 or more! FOX said they’d air all 13 episodes, so there’s plenty of time for the show’s ratings to improve! The show had 100,000 more viewers than America’s Most Wanted had last week, so that’s great for FOX! The show would’ve done better if it wasn’t aired on Friday the 13th, because everyone knows that’s unlucky! The show would’ve done better if Friday the 13th wasn’t such a hit at the box office last night! This show was the greatest thing since sliced bread!
Oh how i missed those Moonlight fans
lol @ Joss’s Biggest Fan
I watched Supernnany, it was about an abusive father who hated their daughters.
cool, what was on 20/20?
I wish I watched Supernanny instead of Dollhouse, actually. Lol. and wow@ Terminator actually losing viewers for the second half. Really bad.
“The critics who don’t like the show are wrong; this was the best pilot ever!”
This is my favorite part of Joss’s Biggest Fan’s post.
It was a Diane Sawyer special. America’s Children Living in Poverty in Appalachia.
really? 3.5 in the demo for that!?!? I figured it must have been another appearance by octo-mom.
Hahaha no but I saw a promo of Supernanny and 20/20 on Greys so maybe that explain the spike in the ratings.
Julia, TSCC at least this season costs FOX nearly nothing. It’s their least expensive scripted show from what I hear. Its numbers are on par for what they get on Friday Nights at 8/7. No it wasn’t good, but it’s not nearly as bad as some are reacting. I don’t see the show getting worse, in fact I think it can only get better. We’ll see if it can grow some next Friday. Any growth would be good.
DOLLHOUSE on the other hand won a half hour of its time slot in the demo. 20/20 won’t continue to be that successful. So the people tuning in early on ABC for the Diane Sawyer special won’t be around next week.
So FOX should be happy with their 3rd place finish (it’s better than their 4th place finishes in the past). On normal ABC Fridays they have a chance with a little growth to claim 2nd place which is their goal. They just need TSCC to improve for that to be a possibility and DOLLHOUSE to hold strong.
Too bad. I like T:SCC and thought Dollhouse was pretty great. Guess I’ll be viewing Dollhouse as the next Firefly now.
“And Fridays suck too much for anything to succeed!”
Oh really ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friday_night_death_slot#Exceptions_to_the_rule
if they want to save dollhouse i think they should immediately replace TSCC with Prison Break that will at least give it a somewhat better lead in
Considering the low number of viewers, Dollhouse has a good demo rating. If it could keep that, it could stay. Unfortunately viewing usually goes down after the premiere.
On the whole, I liked it. Very slow start with lots of exposition, but the second part of the episode delivered. I’m definitely looking forward to more.
Glad to see that Dollhouse had passable premiere ratings. Joss Whedon shows are typically not that great for the first few episodes, but, in my opinion, get better when the longer term story arcs and character development gets going. Just needs to keep people interested long enough to hit its stride.
I love that there is a wikipedia entry for the friday night death slot, but if you’re going to put Ghost Whisperer in the same league as Dallas, how can Family Matters and Boy Meets World be left off the ABC list!
Everyone wants to attribute this to DVR, DVD, etc. But like everything else, it’s CABLE! Last night at 9pm SEVENTY-SEVEN PERCENT of the 18-49 year olds who were watching TV were NOT watching any of the stuff listed above.
Things might pick up for TSCC. Friday was the night before valentine’s day and most high schools had dances, thus depleting young adult viewership. Also, friday the 13th came out in theaters, further depleting the young adult audience. More people are going to watch TSCC next week while they’re waiting for Dollhouse.
Robert, I’m going to guess that
A. TSCC viewers were out busy on Friday the 13th.
B. TSCC viewers forgot it was airing a new episode tonight.
C. TSCC viewers were stuck in traffic.
D. TSCC viewers all had medical emergencies.
E. TSCC viewers all lived in areas with an unexpected blackout of their FOX stations.
For whatever reason TSCC numbers were at an extreme low. I don’t see them getting worse, and if they do the remaining episodes may not see the light of day. I’d be shocked if it can’t improve to a 1.4 or 1.5 next week. Can it get to the 2.0 needed to guarantee renewal? I doubt it. Can it get to a 1.7 or 1.8 where it gets on a bubble? Possible.
DOLLHOUSE I think is actually safe. It did better in viewers and demo from my expectations (and I had the power of seeing FOX marketing numbers for expectations) and if it can hold them (and Whedon shows usually hold their own from the numbers I’ve looked at) then that show may have a shot for a 2nd season.
FOX wants to average a 2.0 for the night, and the 1.7 isn’t too far off.
“if they want to save dollhouse i think they should immediately replace TSCC with Prison Break that will at least give it a somewhat better lead in”
“Yeah!” – Because Prison Break’s numbers didn’t drop as soon as TSCC left it to go on hiatus. *rolls eyes*
While Prison Break’s dead, Terminator’s gasping in a hospital somewhere (possibly with a gunshot wound in the leg?). “Let’s replace the nearly dead patient with a corpse! People will watch Dollhouse then…”
There’s that Joss Whedon magic at work. I give it 8 episodes.
LOL
I think FOX didn’t renew TSCC because of its numbers or its ‘acclaim’ but for the fact that programming two action sci-fi (kinda) shows together on one night looked good for audience transition, it was to help Dollhouse not TSCC: look at its numbers you’d have to be mad to pick up a serialized drama because of low numbers that may improve or look better on friday. As for Prison Break i don’t think it would have much better chance at better numbers than TSCC.
A lot depends, I think, on whether Fox is being honest about being willing to let Dollhouse have time and room to grow. Whedon (unlike some people I am not on a first name basis with him) is good at building a show, and the genre audience is going to make DVDs profitable on this one.
Middling-rated critical darlings that do well on DVD have a place in the television world. Friday nights is an excellent place for them. Fox must have figured out, by now, that they left money on the table with Firefly – the DVD sales on that alone must make them weep about their failure to get a second season to sell. If they’ve half a brain – and they’re saying they do – they’ll wait to see if this can develop the same way. My guess is that it can, because Whedon is a proven talent in that department.
FOX should really try Dollhouse on another night. It has potential to succeed.
“if they want to save dollhouse i think they should immediately replace TSCC with Prison Break that will at least give it a somewhat better lead in”
“Yeah!” – Because Prison Break’s numbers didn’t drop as soon as TSCC left it to go on hiatus. *rolls eyes*
While Prison Break’s dead, Terminator’s gasping in a hospital somewhere (possibly with a gunshot wound in the leg?). “Let’s replace the nearly dead patient with a corpse! People will watch Dollhouse then…”
nevertheless Prison Break did consistentantly outperform TSCC and the spinoff is still in development (episode 23 /24 are a backdoor spinoff)
Anyone who doesn’t think DOLLHOUSE did well last night has their eyes shut. It won the 9/8 to 9:30/8:30 time slot in the demo. FOX hasn’t want a time slot on a Friday since probably THE X FILES was airing on Fridays.
FOX may be looking at a quick replacement for its lead in though. TSCC must improve fast, because those numbers aren’t good.
Yes but it lost to Supernanny.
I watched Dollhouse on Hulu, and the critics were way too harsh on it.(It’s a victim of its own expectations: Not every episode Joss writes is going to be a home run; it was unfair of critics to expect one) It was one of the prettier shows on, that’s for sure.(second only to the now canceled Pushing Daisies, and Lost)
I’m not sure Dushku has the talent to carry the premise, which is surprisingly under realized.(Could an operation like this really turn a profit?) Also, Echo needs to develop her own non-imprinted personality, or the show just won’t be compelling in the long run. We need to care about her.
It was extremely disappointing though compared to Whedon’s other work.(Except Angel; that was not a good show)
I was kind of thinking this might happen. 4.73 million viewers and a 2.0/6 in the demos. But the real good news is it Flashpoint in the demo and that’s no small task considering that was a new episode!
TSCC is holding back Dollhouse!
Dollhouse didn’t as good as I was expecting, but it did okay, especially in the demos. It tied in first place with Supernanny in the first half-hour and was second in the second half-hour. Not bad.
The numbers for Dollhouse are interesting.
The total viewers are pretty horrible but all things considered that’s not a bad demo number, its not great either but it works for the time being. Having said that I would hate to be in Fox’s shoes if Dollhouse stays where it is demo wise come the end of the season because that’s going to be a tough call to make. Having said that after watching the pilot I suspect they’ll be a drop next week because this wasn’t an especially good, I have to come back next week start. Whether it gets better as the run goes on may be irrelevant because once you’ve lost the viewers its going to be hard to get them back.
I was a bit disappointed in the total viewers though!
When you think about it, Joss Whedon is in a no-lose situation. If the show is a success, he will get all the credit. If the show fails, FOX gets all the blame.
Must be nice to be a so-called genius.
I’m happy TSCC is getting cancelled… finally! I hope it’s get’s canned as soon as possible though, so we can get back Prison Break as soon as possible.
As for Dollhouse, it did much lower then I expected, but I think it’s will improve…
It will improve…***
They should use a House repeat as the lead-in to Dollhouse
Dollhouse only lost 3,000 from start to finish, Terminator was a bad lead in, Fox should have given it’s premiere the Idol treatment, then tested the water on fridays.
The show had better ratings than the CW! And probably everything on cable! I’m going to tell five friends about the show, and they’ll all tell five friends about the show, and next week the ratings are going to be through the roof! FOX won’t dare cancel this show, because there’s nothing worse than getting Joss fans angry! We will get together with the Moonlight fans and the Jericho fans and send FOX bloody dolls with nuts! That’ll show ‘em! Eliza Dushku is an instant frontrunner for an Emmy, so FOX won’t dare cancel the show because they like to win awards! The Nielsen people are biased against sci-fi! And the sample size for Nielsen isn’t big enough! I should be a Nielsen person because I’ve already watched the episode five times! The small number of viewers shouldn’t matter because the ones who do watch care about it more!! This show is like Charlie’s Angels, only classier and thought-provoking! In these dark economic times, this is the show we need! We have more in the demo than Don’t Forget the Lyrics from two weeks ago, and almost as many viewers! On Friday, February 15, 2008, a House rerun had 7.5 million viewers and a 2.9 in the demo, and if you think about how much broadcast ratings have declined since then, this was practically the same thing! This is the best thing since the invention of fire!
T:SCC was really good last night. It’s to bad it had crappy numbers. The show deserves better ratings than that.
And, Dollhouse was pretty good for a pilot episode. The numbers may get slightly higher in the next couple weeks. I’ll be interested to see the DVR number when they come out.
Cool, not quite. It beat Supernanny. People tuned in about 15 to 10 minutes early for 20/20 boosting the 2nd half hour of SUPERNANNY.
I’m positive that when the C3 numbers come in that DOLLHOUSE will be the winner of the half hour time slot (not tied) and possibly tied for the 2nd half hour if not the winner. SUPERNANNY does horribly with C3 ratings (they’re generally lower than their L+SD) as watchers of that show seem to change channels during commercials.
If DOLLHOUSE follows the FRINGE example its C3 numbers should be a boost. The 60 second breaks usually keep people watching the commercials.
30,000, Paul. Very good hold, not disputing that, but just correcting your math.
“When you think about it, Joss Whedon is in a no-lose situation. If the show is a success, he will get all the credit. If the show fails, FOX gets all the blame.
Must be nice to be a so-called genius.”
Ditto
to me at this point “C3″ is mostly a red herring. I do agree Dollhouse will have the highest commercial viewing at 9p but because more people watched those commercials LIVE than watched them on the other shows. the additional few days of commercial viewership via DVR will be relatively meaningless compared to how well those commercials did in LIVE viewing.
I hated Dollhouse and don’t see it picking up viewership for its second episode. It seems that opinions are on it are very mixed, with not that many people falling into the “love it” camp. The hardcore Whedon fans tuned in last night along with curious people like me. Not everyone’s going to want to come back. I know I don’t. With great word of mouth, it might improve next week. With not great reviews, it doesn’t seem likely.
Total viewership was lower than I’d guessed but the demo was a bit higher. Also, too bad SCC fared so poorly.
Robert, but it’s possible that DOLLHOUSE will be the highest rated show on Friday night on the C3 list (not counting the hour FOX doesn’t air). I’m not sure that is a “red herring,” but a sign that FOX would be extremely happy. If it can keep that up it’s most certainly renewed.
Which isn’t what I was expecting.
DING DONG, Who’s there, a cancellation for temanator and Dollhouse!
LOL!!!!
FNL really took a beating as well.
Nick, it’s a red herring in the sense that C3 vs. C is meaningless here. there’s not going to be much difference between live commercial viewing and C3. “C” is all that mattered. Dollhouse will lead in C, so of course it will lead in C3 too. To bring the extra days of DVR viewing into that equation, I believe is a red herring.
I don’t think last night was a bad outcome at all for Dollhouse. The next couple of weeks will tell the tale though.
Dollhouse was Bad
after hearing so much about so called Genius Joss Whedon i gave Dollhouse a shot but boy oh boy that was awful
Boring
TSCC – Stick a fork in it, its done. Dull episode and hour of having a bullet removed, the suicidal girl and a building getting blown up. Though I did make it thru to the end. I will watch all the episodes but now its more like, hurry up and get it overwith.
Dollhouse – Stopped watching after 10 minutes – bored to tears.
Also FNL is dead.
13 Fear is Fake? Why in heavens name is that still on?
The Whedon creation connection is the only reason everyone likens Dollhouse to Firefly, right? Because for someone who has never watched any of these shows (me), it sounds like a rehashing of Dark Angel and I see it’s fate more along those lines too. Minus the semi-successful first season.
Tahmoh Penikett can come over to NCIS any time he is good and ready.
So Dollhouse did get you to at least tune in, eh, Joe Blow? Just couldn’t keep you.
Beating Flashpoint in the demos is no small task folks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Speaking of A, B, C, D and E, when “Dollhouse” is cancelled, how many things are the Whedonites going to use in their blame campaign for why yet another show from their golden boy failed?
A. FOX aired two episodes out of order.
B. It was preempted on a major holiday/for a major sports game/for one week during a sweeps period.
C. Joe Blow is too stupid to understand anything besides Jo Frost.
D. “Tru Calling” sucked so bad, it turned viewers away from everything Eliza Dushku is in.
E. It’s Obama’s fault. He didn’t promote it during his State of the Union address and wasted all that time talking about unimportant crap.
Hey Robert,
Why dont you think fox put Dollhouse on in behind IDOL for it’s premiere…this way it would at least get a built in audience before they pushed it off to friday night slot.
what were the 18-34 demo numbers like for last night? i bet dollhouse did pretty well in that demo too
Robert, I know you have trouble believing there are idiots who DVR and don’t fast forward, but that appears to be the case with FRINGE. It improves on its “C” rating so I figure DOLLHOUSE will too. No, it isn’t by much but its more than other programs. The Remote Free seems to work for that.
I agree about the next few weeks telling the fate of DOLLHOUSE. The question is, will FOX renew the 2nd most watched show on Friday in C3 ratings or the 3rd most? It likely will pass GHOST WHISPERER for last night, but I doubt it for the upcoming weeks. So is that good enough? I think it might be. Like I said, not what I was expecting.
TSCC on the other hand is in big trouble. It could get canceled before finishing its run. I’m positive the numbers are below the contract number guarantees for WB for the price they paid. FOX may move PB up sooner.
I think the fact that Dollhouse didn’t lose any viewers in the demo is key
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i Think dollhouse would loose more viewers in the coming week because of the lack-luster pilot
the pilot was really weak i tuned out after 20 mins and i wont be coming back next week
“Beating Flashpoint in the demos is no small task folks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
you gotta be kidding me. 1.8 is piss easy to beat, probably even a house repeat could do it.
Riff, only problem is that those numbers are good enough to renew without thinking twice for FOX. The C3 numbers will most likely have DOLLHOUSE winning the evening (not counting 20/20). Even with a decent drop off, DOLLHOUSE could likely finish every week from here on out in 2nd or 3rd for the night. Those are good enough numbers to keep around.
shawn, my understanding is that they decided to go promo heavy vs airing after Idol and if it did well, then another episode later may air after Idol for a special one time shot. The pilot just wasn’t strong enough, but one of the later episodes they think might be perfect for it.
Oh Joss whedon make sure to use more CREATIVE EXCUSES for the show’s failure ( Once again)
and make sure to scream until they make a feature film out of This one too Just to see it Tumble to the ground and be declared the Biggest flop ( Once again)
I hope TSCC gets a lot of DVR numbers. Even if it doesn’t save it, I just want people to see the show.
jesus_stick, you’re not thinking your argument through. A repeat of FLASHPOINT did a 2.2 just last week. Going up against DOLLHOUSE it dropped to a 1.8. So DOLLHOUSE affected the demo of FLASHPOINT. The repeat of HOUSE just two weeks ago btw pulled a 1.5 I think.
Nick, I am just not fascinated with relative ranking changes due to C3 because on an absolute basis, there’s just not very much difference in Fringe’s LIVE COMMERCIAL VIEWING and Fringe’s LIVE PLUS THREE DAYS WORTH OF DVR COMMERCIAL VIEWING.
Is there a difference between NOT MUCH DIFFERENCE and NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL? Yes, but it is not much difference
I honestly didn’t expect TSCC to dip below a 1.5 rating w/18-49. If its 18-49 ratings don’t go up next week it will be interesting to see whether FOX lets it run its course. It also has to look out for Dollhouse. Perhaps reruns of House and/or Lie To Me (or even FRINGE!!) would be better lead-ins for Dollhouse. I won’t be surprised if Fox does some maneuvering even before next Friday’s episode but I won’t be surprised it it waits another week either.
LOST, you must not be looking at the demo numbers. DOLLHOUSE wasn’t a failure. Neither was SERENITY btw. Universal made enough that they considered a sequel.
BTW, when will we get the DVR numbers?
Robert, I hear ya, but compared to OTHER shows FRINGE is more than “not much difference,” that is my point, and the main thing is C3 is what matters.
Ugh! Dollhouse CAN succeed but FOX wont let it like always…
Rachel, LIVE+7 data for last night’s shows will hopefully be available two weeks from next Tuesday.
Well, CRAP. Happy effing Valentine’s Day fanboys
Terminator’s numbers suck and Dollhoue itself sucked.
What a disappointment … all that excitement last night for nothing.
Wow the FOX duo did so much worse than I expected. I thought 5-7 mill but Dollhouse only got 4.72. The numbers for CBS, ABC, NBC, and CW were on average.
Two weeks from next Tuesday??! Dang… =\
I love Joss Whedon’s shows but I can’t not hate “Joss’s Biggest Fan”. People like you are the reason Joss’s fan base is so hated.
Can someone explain me what “C3″ is?
5 people watching commercials via DVR instead of 1 person isn’t that meaningful to me. To the degree that “remote free” is effective, the OVERWHELMING majority of its effectiveness is because more people watch the commercials LIVE.
anecdotally, for me, instead of being remote free, Fringe and Dollhouse are the most-friendly remote control shows there are. They tell me EXACTLY how many times I need to press the 30 second skip button! Fringe used to go with some pods that weren’t 30 second increments in length (like Fringe will be back in 70 seconds!) and then I’d have to watch at least 10 seconds of a commercial, but they have stopped that. So for me, remote-free = remote FRIENDLY!
Yeah, some Valentine’s Day this is shaping up to be… Single and now my favorite show is basically dead? Sucks.
Dissapointed to see the numbers for both TSCC and Dollhouse.
Why do people openly chear for Sci-fi shows to fail?
Maybe you hate T:SCC,Dollhouse,Heroes…etc, but the better these shows do, the more likely the networks are to green-light other sci-fi dramas that may end up becoming your new favorite show.
Ricardo C3 is the measurement standard advertising is sold on. It measures COMMERCIAL VIEWING instead of program viewing. C3= live commercial viewing plus 3 days of commercial viewing via DVR.
OMG terminator is gone. im really surprised i thought it might have hit 5 million at least so im just shocked by this number. the episode wasnt the best so i dont know really why im so shocked.
Dollhouse is really surprisingly 2. only 4.70 million? i was expecting 7 million and kinda the same demo as it got. i wasnt blown away by it. the first 10 minutes were ok but then it just got really boring really quickly. i blame the writing. Eliza is a good actress. she had nothing to work with on this dull show.
looks like by the end of the year all my fav shows will be axed.
Ricardo, Joss’s Biggest Fan is being sarcastic.
Thecolours — why anybody roots for ANY show to fail is a mystery. But there are haters for all shows and all genres. People also root against American Idol and Dancing With the Stars, Grey’s Anatomy, Desperate Housewives, Gossip Girl, Chuck, etc., etc.
Friday was the next to the last new “Monk” ever. I know it isn’t a big demo draw but surely a lot of people were watching that. I did and I would have watched “Flashpoint” otherwise. Next week will be the actual final episode so that time slot (8 central for me) will probably have a boost for USA.
Maybe FOX should have tried “Dollhouse” in the “Fringe” spot, if “Fringe” is going to be in repeats soon anyway. Just give people a taste of what it is like. FOX moves shows around so often; what’s one more move. Viewers there almost expect it. How many times have “House” and “Bones” moved? People will follow good shows.
(I also bet a lot of people were taking their Valentines out for dinner on Friday.)
“Serenity’s international box office results were mixed, with strong openings in the UK, Portugal and Russia, but poor results in Spain, Australia, France and Italy. Universal International Pictures canceled the film’s theatrical release in at least seven countries, planning to release it directly to DVD instead. The box office income outside the United States was $13.3 million, with a worldwide total of $38.8 million,[75] slightly less than the film’s $39 million budget, which does not include the promotion and advertising costs.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serenity_(film)
The collection couldn’t even surpass the film’s $39 million budget
Catherine, Fringe isn’t going to be in repeats. It won’t be airing for the next several weeks due to 2 hour Idol episodes.
(quote) “Oh how i missed those Moonlight fans” (unquote)
Hey! Robert (whoever Robert you are)
After 15 minutes of “Dollhouse”, I clicked over to MOONLIGHT on Sci-Fi.
We’re are still out here.
I think my prediction of the over/ under of 200 comments might come true. lol
Thecolours, maybe those people honest to God do not like ScFi and don’t want more SciFi shows to be picked up? Have you considered that? A lot of people hope for reality shows to fail on that same principle.
It’s just a guess, but it seemed the premise of your question was that everyone liked SciFi shows just not these ones.
And mine of the 300!
*insert sparta pun*
i added this to the post, but FOX PR actually sent out some data today and the show did well with male viewers:
At 9p, the series premiere of DOLLHOUSE increased to a 2.0/6 among Adults 18-49, ranking No. 2 in its time period among Adults 18-49 and Adults 18-34 and No. 1 among Male demos. DOLLHOUSE built upon its 8p lead-in by +54% among Adults 18-49 (2.0/6 vs. 1.3/5), by +55% among Adults 18-34 (1.7/6 vs. 1.1/4) and by +27% among Total Viewers (4.7 vs. 3.7 Mil.) while delivering FOX’s highest rated Friday series premiere in over four years (since 1/14/05, Jonny Zero) among Adults 18-49 and Adults 18-34.
The series debut of DOLLHOUSE also out-delivered FOX’s prior season average in the Friday 9p hour by +25% among Adults 18-49 (2.0/6 vs. 1.6/5) and by +21% among Adults 18-34 (1.7/6 vs. 1.4/5). Finally, DOLLHOUSE was the highest rated Friday FOX entertainment telecast of the broadcast season among Adults 18-49.
(I should note that the victory w/M18-34 excludes Univision)
I’d like to hear your opinions about my slightly offtopic post at the beginning of the comments:
Several years ago we started with 24, The Unit, TSCC, BSG, Heroes, LOST, PB, etc… How many new action/drama shows of the same quality have been launched in the last two years? Perhaps a few (Mentalist, Burn Notice) but they are less serialized and more “mainstream”.
Are the golden ages of serialized top quality action/drama shows over?
Anything said about TSCC?
actually yes, Rachel. it also fared better with men:
The Friday time period premiere of TERMINATOR: THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES opened the night with a 1.3/5 at 8p, ranking No. 3 in its hour among Adults 18-49 and Adults 18-34 and No. 1 among Men 18-49/18-34.
Are the golden ages of serialized top quality action/drama shows over?
Yes.
Oh, that’s cool how it ranked #1 with men. If only that could help it…
Julia, I don’t know… Unfortunately some people are like him. Even if he is joking, it’s annoying.
Robert, thanks. Will you post those numbers in here?
Jean, as mass market proposition I suspect the answer to your question is mostly yes, the golden age is over. There is still a lot of content around, it’s just most of it is on cable, playing to smaller audiences. But demo wise, Grey’s, DH, LOST and even Heroes are still performing fairly well.
Man that’s bad. The Sarah Connor Chronicles deserves so much better. And last night’s episode was great in every friggin’ respect.
I think I’m going to cry now.
i loved his Firefly…. but hated Buffy and angel
i had so much expectation with Dollhouse , but sadly it was a Flop and Boring at Bits
He took so many years just to come up with this ?
Ricardo, unfortunately we never see the C3 numbers in any way that makes regular posting of that information viable. The 18-49 PROGRAM rankings live+SD are still a very good proxy for measuring shows’ success though. though that data does not perfectly correlate with the commercial viewing, it’s almost always close enough to figure out the lay of the land.
LOST, congratulations for looking up the BO on SERENITY. It doesn’t change that it was a financial success. Universal tried a viral marketing campaign for the movie on the internet. It wasn’t an expensive marketing campaign (in comparison to other movies of the same budget). With video sales the movie has been in the black for some time now. It was one of the top selling HD-DVDs and sold well with its recent release on Blu Ray.
A sequel is definitely something Universal has considered and may well consider again. The fact that they thought about it shows that SERENITY wasn’t a flop.
Hey JJ. Im glad you post here. I love your shows!
anyway, I agree. Firefly was enjoyable, but I dislike all other Whedon shows(incl Dollhouse). I guess im not into his style..
Robert, maybe I can find a way for you to be able to get those numbers.
These are WAY too many comments for shows that won’t return next year.
Uhh, what happened to Flashpoint and Numb3rs this week–they’re way down from two weeks ago when both had original episodes? I would personally say lack of promotion. I have only seen Survivor promos this week, but no Flashpoint and Numb3rs reminders tucked in between the Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday procedurals.
jesus_stick, if that was JJ then I’m James Cameron. JJ and Joss are incredibly close friends, and Joss’ brother Zack writes for JJ’s BAD ROBOT company.
@Nick c
Can you post the Dvd sales figure ? and also the exact marketing and advertising expenses for both theatrical and dvd release ?
Shane, they’re down because of TSCC and DOLLHOUSE. Obviously DOLLHOUSE hurt CBS the most. Also I think too many people are looking at the “overall,” viewer numbers and not looking at the demo (the important number). DOLLHOUSE beat FLASHPOINT in the demo. If DOLLHOUSE continues this well it will be back next season. TSCC might not even be back in two weeks.
LOST, no I can’t. DVD sales were rumored to be in the $35M range. Marketing for DVDs is incredibly low. I heard they spent around $10M for SERENITY’s theatrical marketing. Universal has re-released the DVD in a special COLLECTORS EDITION.
Any word on the FNL front and whether DTV is going to pick up a good portion of the bill again?
“jesus_stick, if that was JJ then I’m James Cameron. J”
of course, lol, i was only kidding.
If Terminator does get pulled then when will we see the rest of the eps? Just on the DVD? Speaking of which I really hope they rewrite the final ep to add some closure, or maybe even make a bonus ep for the DVD. Though that wouldn’t be likely, would it?
Also, declaring Dollhouse because of its win in the demos! Now if it only could those viewers. Also, it’s worth noting that Dollhouse did not lose any of its 18-49 demographic viewers from 9:30-10 pm.
http://www.tvweek.com/news/2009/02/viewers_give_warm_welcome_to_w.php
TV Week says
“”Dollhouse” also nearly doubled the ratings Fox averaged last spring with the Friday premiere of short-lived scripted drama “Canterbury’s Law,” which bowed to a 1.1/3. The early numbers seem to indicate that if Fox wants to program scripted series on Friday, genre fare such as “Dollhouse” is a much better option than a standard procedural.”
“I think I’m going to cry now.”
Me too. My favourite show is TSCC, and I want to 3rd season. But I have to understand that numbers are really crap. I think that was kiss of death. Now I hope but I know: TSCC will be die…
Bill:
I’m happy TSCC is getting cancelled… finally! I hope it’s get’s canned as soon as possible though, so we can get back Prison Break as soon as possible.
TSCC is dying but the PB is dead, and will be dead.
However, Terminator is toast!
http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2009/02/dollhouse-attra.html
Entertainment Weekly had this to say:
“Chronicles will remain as Dollhouse’s lead-in until Fox runs out of episodes; later, the Terminator franchise will be replaced by Prison Break for its final six episodes.”
actually Prison Break has been given 8 episodes not 6 the last 2 are a backdoor pilot for the Jodi Lyn O’Keefe spinoff
idizzle, My point is, I don’t understand why Sci-fi fans openly chear for Sci-fi shows to fail. Keep chearing for all the shows to fail, just don’t be suprised when all the sci-fi shows get cancelled one after the other. They way things are shpaing up, two years from now, we’ll be lucky if there’s any Sci-fi shows left on the major networks.
Y, that is old news. Even before the ratings came out, We’ve known that Prison Break was going to take over for T:SCC.
I’m a major Whedon fan (loved Firefly, Angel, Buffy) and I really disliked the aired pilot. Whedon made a big mistake not holding his ground on the original pilot; it was genuinely good and would probably have been a great first experience for new Whedon-watchers. What they got instead was ‘Ghost’, a rushed, formulaic and awkward mess that, frankly, was a disappointment in pretty much every way.
People who said the pilot sucked… think of how much better it could have been: That was ‘Echo’, the original pilot. They’ve shot themselves in the foot here… I’m just hoping the show survives until it can recover.
That Dollhouse number is exactly what I predicted. Lets be honest,that was an Awful number for a premiere. The shows fate is sealed as it has no chance of being picked up next year.
chuck
Ok, Thecolours, that I can agree with, but unless there already is some investment in a show that’s perceived as competeting, I really don’t think that (SciFi fans willing a SciFi show to fail) is what is happening here.
Guessing that generally holding out for an actually good SciFi show and being underwhelmed by what’s on right now, while not actively hoping for failure, is still allowed.
Well, T:SCC was No. 1 among Men 18-49/18-34. So, that’s good. But, you kinda exepct that from Termiantor given it’s competition.
TSCC was great up until the blonde girl came into the picture. I think it’s just gotten really downtrodden script-wise lately, compared to it’s first season. I also think theyre taking to too long to go back to the Cameron/John ‘love’ issue that was hinted at earlier on. I mean, the episode where the Terminator was sent back in time too far and waited for years all the while building a financial empire before an assassination attempt was a FANTASTIC episode…but last night’s was too blah for me. It had no guts like some of them did before. I’d really like to see some of that again. It’s too bad the ratings sucked, but it’s all about keeping your audience…when it comes down to it, it’s good acting/action and hard-hitting scripts. At least in TSCC’s case. Gotta keep it frantic. It’s fuckin Terminator.
FOX needs to be patient with Dollhouse and just see how things play out before they bring the game shows back.
Smackdown dominates the male demos under 50 every Friday so this could affect the performances big time every week.
I would still look at that Prison Break spin-off as an entry leading into Dollhouse next season.
Looks like Jason’s record breaking $19 million opening night affected things big time.
OK, dumb question that has nothing to do with FOX: Were GW, Flashpoint, and Numb3rs new episodes or repeats? That’s quite a dip in total viewers for Flashpoint, and a small dip in Numb3rs, for new eps.
Just when I thought CBS had found the magic 10 million viewer combo for Friday nights….
the CBS lineup was entirely new episodes.
Thanks, Mr. Seidman. Bummer that Flashpoint could not hover a little closer to 10 million for them, then. Here’s hoping it avoids the CBS cancellation routine!
As for TSCC: I agree, it’s done. That may not be fair, but it’s reality. The fate of Dollhouse may depend on if it can continue to keep up with Supernanny in the demos
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Oh, and when I look a few weeks back, when Flashpoint last has a new episode for sure, it won the 18-49 demo with a 2.4 rating. If Dollhouse somehow makes a dent in the CBS lineup, like it seems it may have done last night…then this will get REALLY interesting
Raphaela: I regularly watch Supernanny, ER, Ugly Betty, Two and a Half Men (reluctantly – my wife loves it), all three L&O’s, Extreme Makeover: Home Edition, and a couple of British comedies broadcast on my local PBS station (one of which is the source of my avatar) – and the occasional football game and Deal or No Deal…
…so where you got the notion that you have, I haven’t a clue…
…it was quite noticeable that Supernanny went up in the second half hour, as did Flashpoint, in both demos and gross viewers – and more than the other nets’ offerings went down. Any ideas where those viewers came from – was it cable losing viewers, or new viewers coming in to the mix?
Terminator’s numbers are so depressing. And I don’t think last night’s episode helped any. The star of the show (Cameron!) barely even made an appearance, and she wasn’t even in the previews for next week. It seems the writers are deliberately shooting themselves in the feet.
Well FRIDAY THE 13TH killed at the Box Office earning in one day what all the experts thought it would make for the entire weekend. That could have hurt the TSCC audience. Maybe.
We’ll see next week. DOLLHOUSE on the other hand is a hit for FOX. FOX people seem excited about the numbers.
LOST – Yes – Serenity made back just under budget in first run theatrical. Its DVD sales, however, have been consistently good – sufficiently so that Universal released a special edition, and used it as one of their first HD-DVD titles out. (Though they held off on a quick release when they switched to Blu-Ray).
The film was not a poor investment for Universal by any measure. Nor was the TV series for Fox, given that Newscorp rakes in the money on the DVDs. The issue is that the normal TV and theatrical model isn’t always the right one. Look at something like Repo: The Genetic Opera – a movie that was basically not even released in theaters, making less than $200k of its $8 million budget. But it’s a successfully groomed cult film that’s going to quickly turn a profit on DVD.
I’d worry for Dollhouse, but Fox as a company has started to understand this, at least with F/X, where they’ve happily nurtured the ratings-challenged Damages with the expectation that critically acclaimed television is going to sell on DVD.
Mr. Seidman, how much of an effect do you think TSCC having the No. 1 rating among Men 18-49/18-3 will have on Fox’s decision to continue or cancel the show? I understand that the overall 1.3/5 is poor, but isn’t being #1 in the male demo the most important aspect? Thank you for any answer.
TSCC’s number brings much sadness, although it was expected. The demo for dollhouse is the only positive for it
I watched Dollhouse yesterday . I’m with mixed feelings. It wasn’t something realy unique and unforgetable but it was interesting. I remember when i watched the first ep from Fringe i thought it was a big Crap but know i am watching every week.
It was the first Dollhouse ep and i know previous Joss works .. no matter how silly it looks at first he gets it to work .So we will see..
P.s ratings are tricky things no point to discuss so soon .
Wow what a shock.
By that I mean of course, I’m not in the least bit surprised.
I thought about watching Dollhouse then I remembered how much I dislike everything Joss Whedon has ever done. I don’t get why people love him so much.
People will still watch serial TV shows, they just won’t watch BAD serial TV shows.
ok dollhouse wasn’t so bad for a friday, it could have been better but one thing i can be sure of dollhouse is the most original show in television, there is nothing like it
Alana, at the levels of last night, I don’t believe the male demo wins will bolster the prospects for TSCC, but it’s at least in the category of better than nothing, and better for PR spin.
Obviously the boards have a passion for Sarah Connor and Dollhouse, but my passion is Friday Night Lights. Even though DirectTV is ready to renew and pick up part of the bill, these ratings are beneath what NBC was hoping for. Sadly, the series has never been better creatively. The only reality check here for FOX and NBC: exactly what programming would do better? Problem: cheaper programming might do just as good. NBC could re-air Bravo’s Real Housewives show for pennies on the dollar and probably approximate these ratings. What a sad day for television that wonderfully produced sci-fi and intelligently written young adult drama is shunned by the TV audience.
I was thinking about watchinh Dollhouse but now i am not going to bother. Woohoo Ghost whisperer did well AGAIN! An up on the other half hour of it.
Rob R, I too am an FNL fan. Is DirectTV really talking renewal? I watched the whole season on The 101 and loved it. These NBC ratings are abysmal, though. I wonder if NBC, with the DirecTV funding in play, could still turn a profit airing FNL as a “summer series,” in the vast wasteland of reruns? Or on USA or on Bravo? In any case, Kyle Chandler and Connie Britton are wonderful, and I would love to see more of them as the Taylors.
So, if WB sweeten the deal for Fox for the back 9, and the ratings continue to drop, would Fox really pull T:SCC? The whole point of WB sweeting the deal was for early promotion for Terminator Salvation. Would WB really let Fox cancel the T:SCC prematurely? Wouldn’t that defeat the purpose of ordering the back 9 in the first place, if your just going to cancel it anyways?
So, does anyone think T:SCC will be pulled before May?
Ouch, there is nothing else to say… Really worse that what I expected. Specially for TSCC
thecolours: Warners did sweeten the deal, but the contract had stipulations. Those stipulations were demo minimums. Since the show is below the demo minimum then FOX can say “seeya.”
Jordan, if next Friday is 1.3 again… Hell yeah.
Why all the hate on Joss Whedon fans in the comments? I know fanboys can be annoying but these anti-fanboys are just as bad. Oh look, you’re so clever, you can make fun of fanatics; they’re not an easy target or anything. Grow up.
You’re extreme enthusiasm for hating fanboys is the same exact annoying quality you profess to hate in fanboys.
Thecolours said: “My point is, I don’t understand why Sci-fi fans openly chear for Sci-fi shows to fail.”
Joss Whedon fans, Trekkies, and assorted Galacticamaniacs – you’re not going to like what I am going to say – I’m not certain that there has been more than three or four good science fiction television program broadcast in the United States – ever (the only one I can think of as being a certainty is “Doctor Who”, and possibly a good case could be made to me concerning “The Time Tunnel” and “Quantum Leap”)…
…and I’m not even certain that I would count Star Trek and its kin, Battlestar Galactica, and Dollhouse as sci-fi shows at all – remember where Star Trek came from (Roddenberry’s “Wagon Train” To The Stars)…
…and let me get Lucas fans wound up, too – imo, Star Wars is no more sci-fi than Whedon’s shredder’s output.
Dollhouse wasn’t my cup of tea, on any level – sort of like the film “Solaris” was for me (the original story was written by a very good sci-fi writer whom I like, Stanislaw Lem – which goes to prove that even the best writers deliver manure sometimes).
To sum up: Give me a science fiction show to cheer, a good one, and I will dress up in a miniskirt and falsies. If there isn’t one, I don’t have time to waste cursing the bad ones, and making Joss Whedon voodoo dolls – I’ll find something else to watch – or else I’ll read a Nero Wolfe mystery, or listen to one, or watch an episode from the Timothy Hutton version on DVD.
And in case anyone is wondering how I could watch both Supernanny and Dollhouse, it’s simple – I have two TV’s
Well, bang bang good bye TSCC I will miss you, especially Summer
At least Dollhouse has potable demos
Uhm.. Theoacme Star Wars is by definition a sci-fi show: to say one of the corner stone of sci-fi shows ‘Star Trek’ is not a sci-fi is just pure ignorance. As sci-fi is basically often the fictional speculation of future technoloygy or science. So BSG and SW and ST are definitly sci-fi, as much as Doctor Who. And no offence but to say otherwise is just ‘bogus’
And i know that and i don’t even watch ST or BSG
I like Dollhouse. Not as good with the ratings as i thought though.
I liked the people who thought Dollhouse would get 6-10 million, what were they smoking?
The loss of T:tSCC hits my heart hard. But,given that as a devoted fan I was disappointed in last night’s episode until Shirley kicked ass, I can’t say it’s unfair. I want more action – more John Connor – and less visions.
Still…it’s a sad loss. A wonderful cast that I can’t easily imagine doing anything else…
I’m resigned to its fate, now. lost Pushing Daisies already…
ROOT FOR CHUCK!!!
If I lose Buymore time, I may die.
dollhouse…was more disappointing than rewarding, for me. I want a Dr. Horrible series.
I don’t know what makes a more stunning headline, the anemic premieres of Terminator and Dollhouse, the burgeoning resurgence of another ABC reality program, Supernanny, or the smackdown delivered by 20/20.
I actually saw the 20/20 investigation into poverty in Appalachia. It was one of the most powerful pieces of newsreporting I’ve ever seen. I certainly hope they do a followup. I’m sure there are Americans across the country that want to know where is the little girl that was raped by her relative and what happened to the feuding families, where is the homeless boy that was living in a truck, and what’s happening to deal with the epidemic of drug use in that area, along with the other cases they were investigating last night. Absolutely chilling and sad to see the plight we’ve allowed our own people to fall into.
wow. I’m expecting a drop for Dollhouse next week…
TSCC…somehow I thought this would happen. I thought it might get better numbers than it did when it was on Mondays, due to less competition. However, the fact is people just don’t watch TV on Fridays, and in the end it got hurt by the move. As far as I’m concerned, it’s fate is now sealed.
oh and Jordan, TSCC is going off air in April, it was already decided. It will be replaced by Prison Break in that timeslot.
Matt2, SUPERNANNY received a boost from people tuning in early for 20/20 and we won’t be seeing that continue. So 20/20 and SUPERNANNY should drop next week along with DOLLHOUSE’s drop. The question is will DOLLHOUSE continue to beat FLASHPOINT? If it does, it’s a keeper.
AAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Yeah, this has definitely been a depressing day. I slept through all of the afternoon after seeing this (though that could be contributed to the fact that I was up til 6 am last night). I really liked last night’s ep too. Definitely coulda used more Cameron, but I liked how it actually really focused on Sarah for once, in a good way… I loved seeing Kyle there. Being a longtime fan of the franchise, that was awesome. Love how they snuck dialogue from the movies in there. And the guy who played Kyle really did an excellent job at capturing the character the way Michael Biehn did.
I will watch the next 8 weeks of “THE SARAH CHRONILCLES…” -I am split on DOLLHOUSE – 1st hals was lame and the second half was interesting…it just felt you came in the middle of something that you know nothing about… IF DOLLHOUSE improves and stays on the air then great -if not…right now that’s fine…I will watch both shows for 8 weeks – once their gone…I always have “24″ on Mondays and the New Terminator Movie in May…
SARAH is not going anywhere for this season – FOX 9has their money and they will play out 8 weeks then PB for 4-6 weeks…I think DOLLHOUSE will play out for 13 – then FOX will make their final calls…I admit for ALL 3 it looks like SKYNET is taking over everywhere!
@ Deadpool:
When Terminator/SCC when on hiatus in December, FOX continued to air Prison Break during Christmas week when everyone was out shopping and attending holiday office parties. Therefore PB’s ratings dropped that week, BUT Prison Break was #1 in DVR viewership Christmas week.
Okay – I just came from “TV WEEK” web site- they say the DOLLHOUSE numbers are off to a fair start…and beat it’s previous GAME SHOW -”LYRICS”…and did strong with men -once people watch their DVR’s from missing the shows because of FRIDAY the 13th movie outings…it may have life – the game is not over yet…
Yes, RG, that’s what has been posted here.
RG, TSCC is dead if it repeats a 1.3 in the demo. FOX does have their money, and they have a contract to saying they won’t get 1.3s. FOX will use it or get more money.
Wait, so the contract has a limit to the demo numbers that TSSC can get or else it’s axed?
@ Nick C (and Matt2), regarding Supernanny: Its second half may have been boosted by 20/20 early viewers. But its first half still tied Dollhouse in the demos and bested Dollhouse in total viewers. So those two shows were pretty competitive, ratings-wise.
The most stunning thing to me in these results was the dip in Flashpoint ratings. It scored better when it was a repeat last week?!? Somehow, I think viewers must have thought last night was a repeat. Was there some last minute switching going on there? I guess we’ll know more when Flashpoint and Dollhouse have both aired more new episodes head-to-head in the time slot.
I won’t be sad to see TSCC go, the premise has completely played itself out and they’ve messed up most of the characters. They’ll let it play to the bitter end though, given the financial considerations. I’m sure they also want more time to promote the finish of Prison Break in order to gain awareness for the spinoff. A schedule pull and replacement would probably hurt the PB spinoff.
The DH numbers didn’t look that good. I feel like they would have some margin for normal viewer shedding if they debuted higher. As it looks right now, they might survive if they hold these numbers, but there’s really no room to slip. The show itself wasn’t horrible… but it is alarming that no one “loved” it, even hardcore Whedonites. I agree with one review that DH does smell a little like My Own Worst Enemy, but hopefully it’ll pick up and have a better fate.
High point of the evening… those Summer and Eliza promos!
clutz, but where it counts in C3, DOLLHOUSE will likely win out over SUPERNANNY and possibly even GHOST WHISPERER. Finishing 1st among scripted shows or 2nd is a success no matter how people spin it.
I’m pretty happy with the success. It means that Friday isn’t a place to put shows to die. FOX hasn’t promoted a Friday night show like they did for DOLLHOUSE in likely ever. DOLLHOUSE was heavily promoted last week. Just think if they had promoted a universally acclaimed show for that time slot?
FOX should be happy. BONES has shown it can compete on Thursday, and DOLLHOUSE may compete on Fridays.
Nick C, regarding that “JJ and Joss are incredibly close friends”: Have you ever seen JJ talk about Joss?
http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1648674096/bctid1668060859
Doesn’t sound “incredibly close” to me.
But I do agree on most of the other points you’re making, the numbers for Dollhouse are actually quite solid and look promising. Next week will be interesting to watch, since there’s no Friday 13th AND no new Flashpoint. I actually do see the possibility for the numbers to go up a notch, and even the most negative reviews (not to mention the network and the studio and the creators…) agreed that the second episode is very great TV and better than the pilot. If it can hold its audience on that high a note, it should be safe.
I also like the idea of a Dollhouse-”event” behind Idol. The Whedon-penned sixth episode is the one kicking off the serialized second half of the season, basically being a new pilot. It is scheduled to air on Mar 20 (the day of the BSG-finale, which will draw from Dollhouse-number inevitably, since it starts at 8pm), so pulling the sixth episode away from the competing BSG and onto that week’s Idol would seem like a clever move.
blah blah blah ….I am still on tv !!!!!! you cant terminate me!!!
Machines have tried for years……. you dont know anything
you said fox would terminate me last year , but here i am still on tv !!!!!!
hahahahahahahahahahahah see you next week and the week after blah blah blah
Wow I hope Castle and The Unusuals do better than this. I know they’re not on Friday’s but they’re both mid-season shows.
Um Nick theres the kep word ‘FOX SHOULD be happy’: we can say it did okay in the demos, it meant friday isn’t completely dead. But there are more things to consider:
1) for one this is a premiere so i bet next weaks numbers will be a bottum 4mil and a 1.8demo.
2) Secondly we don’t know the behind the scenes knowledge of costs: so for all we know FOX may see these numbers as a failure.
3) Plus i bet Dollhouse is more expensive than a reality show and to FOX in a time of recession and higher costs and generally cheap non-scripted show is better than like just a 25% better performing scripted show.
4) Friday is a not a death place for shows but its because the networks (albeit CBS) are scared to approach Friday is strong programming or at least cheap scripted.
The amount of grammar mistakes in that last post is numerous: too much to even correct.
@John Conner: It’s Connor.
@Nick C, you state, “1st among scripted shows or 2nd is a success no matter how people spin it.” Tell that to Moonlight fans, please
. CBS did the “spinning” on that one.
Dollhouse performed well in the key demographics, by Friday night standards. Its limited commercial interruptions will make another interesting study for “Remote Free TV.” I watch with interest the effect that Dollhouse will have on Flashpoint. If, with new scripted competition in play, Flashpoint cannot get back up to its 2.4/7 in the 18-49 demographic, then CBS may prematurely drop another show for less-than-perfect numbers.
As for FNL, I am anxious to hear the DirecTV/NBC decision as to what to do there. With a shared price tag, maybe someone (other than NBC broadcast) can give us another 13 episodes. But it’s doubtful at this point. If FNL is done, I at least hope the awards snobs will finally recognize Britton and Chandler for three seasons of fantastic chemistry, genuine love, fear, and hope.
FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS is a great show. It’s a shame the ratings are so low. I’d hate to lose this show too considering my other favorite show, PRISON BREAK, is ending soon. And a new favorite of mine, LIFE ON MARS, doesn’t look too promising either. What then will I watch? There won’t be anything worth while left on the schedule. Stupid reality/competition shows??? I think not! Where are all the great scripted shows??? *sobs*
Aww I really Liked dollhouse, I was very captivated. I wish it would have done better in ratings…And terminator is sooo goood I’m very sad they got horrible ratings…I really want these shows to do well. What are people doing on a friday night at 8pm anyway? everyone needs to watch TSCC and DOLLHOUSE and Ghost whipserer back and forth!!!
OK, I know I’m really late to the party, but…
Dollhouse did worse than I expected in total viewers, but around what I expected for the demo. Even though I thought the show was pretty good, I expect it to drop next week. I don’t think it disappointed the fans, but I don’t think it will keep all the curious onlookers.
TSCC is gone. Depending on what else FOX has going, it might finish out the season, but it will definitely not have another season.
The drop for Flashpoint seems odd. Before it went to repeats, it was going up each week. This week, it got a lower demo than it got last week with a rerun. Did people not realize it was new?
Holly, there was something of a last minute flip-flop with Flashpoint where Fri Feb 6 was originally going to be a new episode and Fri the 13th was going to be a rerun, and then they changed it to the other way around. I suppose it’s possible this change benefited the repeat on 2/6 and hurt the new episode on 2/13.
wiesengrund, JJ has always been a fan of Joss’ writing. They are however friends and close in the business. Many of JJ’s writers got their starts under Joss. He mentions Drew for instance (Goddard) and the movie he is doing with Joss. JJ wanted in. JJ thinks Joss is a genius compared to him (and he is probably right). That doesn’t mean they don’t have a close business relationship. They don’t work together technically, but they work together. All I was implying in my statement to the fake JJ, is that JJ loves Joss’ work (is jealous of it in fact) and has a close relationship with him for this business.
Fin, well you see FOX isn’t CBS. FOX doesn’t have two shows getting 10M+ viewers and decent demos (for a Friday). FOX also isn’t dealing with Silver. So there is definitely a difference between MOONLIGHT and DOLLHOUSE.
Going over your points:
1. That should be good enough. That likely means a 2.0 in C3 terms. Which is where they want to be. As long as it can hold that or even build on it, they’ll be happy.
2. Costs aren’t as extremely high as some might think. The most expensive thing they did was the set. It’s less expensive than most FOX shows. I think only TIL DEATH and TSCC are cheaper.
3. The game shows are most definitely cheaper. However FOX is excited that they now have a strong Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday. Thursday is the best it has been since THE SIMPSONS aired on Thursdays. Their Saturday lineup is something they’re happy with as well. So Friday is their “dead night,” and they very much want to create a healthy Friday. DOLLHOUSE numbers are their best sign of life on a Friday in ages. There is a reason they are willing to let DOLLHOUSE play out. They really want a decent Friday.
4. Networks are scared of Friday. It’s that simple. So for FOX to be aggressive on Friday (all that promotion was aggressive) I don’t see them just laying down and letting it die. That is why TSCC is in trouble.
Holly, the FLASHPOINT drop was similar to the GHOST WHISPERER drop. It was slightly affected by FOX. CBS has had no real scripted competition on Friday. NBC may air shows on Friday but they don’t promote them at all. CBS airs shows on Friday and promotes them. FOX came along and promoted the hell out of their Friday Night Lineup. Some people who watched FLASHPOINT likely tuned in to DOLLHOUSE. Will they continue to do so? Who knows.
I foresee a slight drop in viewership for DOLLHOUSE. However, the people who watched seem to have stuck around for it. It kept its numbers rather strongly.
It should be interesting to see how the media affects viewership. If there is a large drop it will likely be because people heard the show did poorly in ratings (I’ve seen those incorrect reports) and is likely not to make it. Viewers don’t like investing into TV shows that they hear will get canceled.
If Whedon and Dushku fans stick to it, the show should be fine. I don’t see worse than a 4M 1.7 from the show. That should be enough to keep FOX ok with it, and give it a chance to grow.
Dollhouse, I liked it. Not a Wheedon fan but good concept uniquely packaged (as opposed to just packaged), visually appealing, camera work very good, story line moderately cool, good casting (Harry Lennix/Boyd is a great anchor for the show) and little competition on Fri nights. Concepts turnover quickly and once audiences’ curiosity is satisfied it’s hard to keep their attention. I see two seasons but we’ll see what Whedon’s got up his sleeve to keep the show to watchable. Maybe they’ll eventually move the time slot. I’ll be watching, by the way, Friday Night Lights started great but descended into a constant parade of misery (either kill them all or let them hit the lotto for Christ’s sake!).
DirectTV apparently wants to produce a fourth season of FNL anyway, and NBC is amenable to airing it since they outlay so little initial expense that they would even pull a profit with 2 million viewers. One has to assume most of the show’s missing viewers went over to see it on DirectTV, and that number of viewers was good enough for them.
Nick, I think you place too much importance on the media’s reporting of ratings. I don’t know a single person in real life (outside of my classroom) who pays the slightest attention to ratings. Hell, I try to engage people in discussion since it’s something I love to talk about and they just don’t care at all.
Julia, to ratings no. To media outlets saying a show isn’t likely to “make it,” or “soon to be canceled,” yes I think they care. Numbers? I don’t think they care.
DOLLHOUSE would have been a much better premise if there was better casting choice: Tahmoh Penikett is great on BSG, but he is just no handsome pretty boy for a future romantic lead. Dollhouse needed a sort of ‘Angel’ for Echo ala Buffy’s Angel. It was one of the big reasons why so many people people became enamored with the show. Joss should have known better and made better casting choices, because lets face it the supposed OTP of a show makes half of nearly every show, because people like to ship and be shippers.
Basically Tahmoh is a good actor, but not most people’s dreamy cup of tea. And even worse for the show, was Joss tried to put in too much silliness and “Buffy-speak” shoe-horned comedy (as spoken by Topher in particular) – where this show has a darker and more mature vibe. It’s not about a bunch of high-schoolers, so I think it was inappropriate that Joss has made Topher to be so flippant and talk like a teenager. Don’t get me wrong, a little sprinkling of comic relief in a smart way now and then is needed. However, the heavy-handed way that Joss introduced it, threw me off and out of the moment and the vibe of the whole show.
It’s like this show has gone through certain concepts that isn’t right for it. Fox wanted the show more mature and a bit darker in tone and I applaud that fully. However, we still get promos that are silly with people speaking like valley teens and excerpts like “zombie slaves” – basically, not taking itself serious enough for the rest of the atmosphere. Given the circumstances, premise, most of the characters, the ages, etc – this show should be more La Femme Nikita and less Buffy 2.0 in regards to certain aspects.
I was very disappointed in the contrasting elements. When the show started to get a real hook in, then there was silliness to make it all seem like a joke. So. Not. Cool.
Also? Echo needs to have more of a defining original personality in-between mind wipes. Something so that the viewers can see the world through her eyes and care about her. I imagine this will happen tiny bits at a time, but a little more needs to happen soon, so that people can stay in touch with the character and not have another reason to give up on the show and tune out prematurely.
Terminator is a much better show in the consistency vibe and the last ep was a very good one with the iconic Kyle Reese character appearing with Sarah. But Fox has done a horrendous job of promoting it until the last minute.
I reaaaaally want to like DOLLHOUSE, I just hope Joss gets his creative sh*t together and makes up his mind on the vibe of the show. I hope it hits its stride soon.
if dollhouse has a stronger lead in it will do much better.
tscc is a great show but i think it is dead now. fox messed it up. tscc is a 9pm show and it performed well on mondays at 9pm last season, the move to 8pm lost it about 3m viewers and the move to fridays at 8pm seems to have lost it another 1.5m-2m viewers.
SShephard, you’re the first person I’ve heard say there was anything “silly,” or “funny,” in that show. If anything people complain that there is no humor.
I also don’t see how a show with only one episode aired can be less consistent than any show that has aired multiple episodes. There is nothing to compare it with. I have seen other episodes, so I know it gets better.
Still if anything the pilot was far from having any humor, and the worst aspect imho was Dushku freaking out as the Negotiator.
Now that I have seen it, I guess I understand a little better why FOX did it. But it still makes very little sense to me that they premiered on a Friday any show they actually want to stick around. I can understand airing it there permanently, hoping it will thrive amongst lowered expectations, but to actually premiere it there seems to be cutting off your nose to spite MY face. Of all the places to try and get a nice sampling for your first episode, 9 pm on Friday ranks just below using a laptop to show it to show it to random people you run into on the street.
Yes, they spun the ratings nicely in their press release, but those are numbers you want to settle for after you lose all the people who tuned in for the first episode and decided it wasn’t their cup of hemlock. In my mind, however, those are not the numbers that you want out of the premiere of a show that was supposedly highly anticipated. They are not the numbers you want to be the bar from which you start falling.
BUT IT WAS FREAKING FRIDAY, SO WHAT THE HECK DID THEY EXPECT?????
Still don’t see why they wouldn’t air the damn premiere after Idol and THEN move it to Fridays. Not sure what the number would have been, but you would have at least gotten double that size to sample the damn thing. Probably triple. And, who knows, maybe a lot more than that. Obviously it’s not a show that will sustain those numbers, but we are talking about ONE airing, getting the biggest damn sample size you can trick into watching, then moving it to the Friday dumping grounds and letting it sink or swim.
But, hey, we are talking about network execs. It’s not like you actually have to be able to do your job well to rise to the top in that business. And now that I’ve seen the premiere, it’s not hard to imagine that Whedon had to rewrite the pilot with a network monkey sitting on his back the whole time. That thing had suit-speak all through it. And that is what I really don’t get. Either force him to rework it to your dim-witted specifications and give him a decent premiere time slot, or else let him do whatever the hell he wants and dump him in the Friday wastelands to die.
But, being FOX, and being brainless, they did both. Which is guarenteed to sink your ship before it even leaves the dry dock.
Personally, I think Dollhouse gets its 13 weeks (maybe), and we never hear from it again. Next week’s numbers will be more telling, but if they drop at all, then this show is not long for this world. They will have to hold steady at these levels, at worst, else Joss can move on to Dr. Horrible Part Deux.
As for the show itself? Meh! I’m probably more of a Joss-fanatic than most people, seeing as I think that Buffy, Angel and especially Firefly are three of the greatest shows in televsion history, so it is not a good sign that even I thought Dollhouse was b-o-r-i-n-g and, dare I say, more than a little silly (“What have we done?). In fact, seeing that it was bad enough that I felt compelled to actually spell out boring, that doesn’t bode well for continued watching by anyone who is not a certified Joss-o-phile.
So, no, I cannot imagine the show I watched on Friday is going to draw in anyone but people who are there soley for the Whedon (unless there are a few extremely obsessive/compulsive Tru Calling fans left alive somewhere in this world). I also cannot imagine anyone who just happened to watch it will be back again next Friday, unless of course they just happened to watch it because they are usually passed out in front of the tube ever Friday night at nine and cannot change the channel. Let’s just hope they pass out with the televsion tuned to FOX.
I’ll be back, but I’d be back to watch Whedon reinterpret the phone book, at least I will for thirteen weeks. So I don’t count, not in the least, and I know it. I represent no demo in which any network would be remotely interested.
I hear it gets better, which is good, but again that just brings me back to why FOX would foist this lousy pilot on us, knowing that first impressions are so vital on television.
Anyway, can’t wait for Doctor Horrible II. I imagine we have 12 more weeks until Whedon starts writing it.
First of all I really liked Dollhouse, however the opening scene at the party was kind of interesting but is it going anywhere? I like Eliza Dushku alot and think she is a very good actress. So far I like all the characters on the show and that is saying alot to me.
Now TSCC I like/hate, It goes too slow and explains little. I think the casting of Kyle was way off. He looks like he is fresh out of high school. That peach fuzz didn’t help either! The guy in the movie was much better. I love the girl with the red hair and that part of the story but Sara and John are just not that interesting. They slow down the show, more of Summer Glau would be better. All she does lately is stand around and say a few words. A whole episode of watching Sara get a bullet out of her leg? Come on! And I still don’t like Lena Heady as Sara, with skinny arms like that how can you expect me to believe the things she does. She is not interesting to look at, she has one emotion which is more like a robot that the Terminator. I think plastic surgery into a new actress is in store for her.
So in conclusion Dollhouse is perfect don’t mess with it, TSCC needs major over hauling or dump it.
Like anyone is going to listen to me. (Ha)
This is for Schmokey: First of all Fridays is not that bad a night, Look at the CBS shows, they are doing just fine, especially Ghost Whisperer. So it just matters if a show can connect with people. Dollhouse was not booring at all to me. Did you not watch Eliza Dushku act? She portrayed 4 different characters! And each one was flawless.
They were distinct characters and I was involved with each one and cared for each one. Eliza has a great range of emotions on her face that a lot of actors don’t show. Just watch her face, how can you not fall in love with her? That alone should carry this show. That’s why I liked Tru Calling so much. The guy (I don’t remember his name) who gives Echo her treatments is pretty cool to watch too. I think he did a good job explaining things without sounding too cartoonish. If you don’t have a lot of action in a show then you better have good dialog and interesting characters to speak it, and this show has that.
@art
She has the range of emotions, but she can’t become different people. That is the trademark of people that have a long career has supporting roles. That they can deliver that one character they do all the time very well,and what most of the nominated for the supporting category in the Emmys have in common. They do the same character over and over, and if they land on an hit show they get the nod. That makes a technically competent actor, a great actor has you make a double take, and have a moment of discomfort when you first see them in a new role, because that is someone that you don’t recognize.
Yeah, I agree Nick C, JJ admires Joss’ work, and some of his writers come from the Whedonverse. He would want to work with him. However, that’s not “incredibly close friends” to me, or even a close business relationship, since they have never worked together. That’s JJ being a fanboy. Maybe if I read an interview where Joss says something similar about JJ, I would see it different.
Anyway. I’m excited to see the second DOLLHOUSE episode, and looking at the fact that there will be only a Flashpoint re-run next week, the numbers could actually be stable.
wiesengrund, just because you have a problem with it doesn’t make it not true. Back when Drew wanted to sell his movie script and was having trouble it was Joss that hooked him up with JJ. JJ picked it up and the movie did ok. Now Drew and Joss are doing a movie. Zack works for JJ. They’re friends. They email each other, etc. “close,” might have been a poor choice of words, but they’re friends. I’ve heard both speak highly of the other and not in work related terms.
Nick, do you know people inside Fox? If so, what is Kevin Reilly thinking? Isn’t it ultimately his decision on whether or not to renew the show for a 2nd season? What does he think about the demos?
223 comments for this post? I swear before it said 224 (though now it will considering I’m posting again). You’re preventing these comments from reaching their true potential of 300! Noooooo!
@ Deadpool,
You said: “Yeah – Because Prison Break’s numbers didn’t drop as soon as TSCC left to go on hiatus”.
FOX aired a new PB episode on Christmas week and like “tvlover” said, many people were out at parties, shopping, etc. HOWEVER, PB had the most DVR viewers!
Here’s the link:
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/01/15/prison-break-has-most-dvr-viewers-greatest-share-of-viewing-by-dvr/10892
When do the final numbers get released?
Joseph normally they would be available from Nielsen (though not necessarily to us) by today (Monday). And normally they would be available to us no later than tomorrow (Tuesday), but due to the President’s Day holiday today, I’m not sure it won’t be later.
I guess all the marketing and hype for this Dollhouse show amounted to zilch for FOX. Oh well. Still trying understand what Nielsen family demos and tv viewing habits looks like. Hmmm. I guess American Idol, CSI, and Mentalist are the only shows these people watch.
Lynne, it did better than any new FOX show has done on a Friday since 2005 I think. That isn’t a waste of promotion. Remember FOX has treated Friday like the plague. It won’t be easy to make Friday a viewed night. People have the idea that Friday shows (except for CBS) are put there to die or just aren’t good. FOX has a hard road for them because they put game shows and reality shows on for so long people lost respect for FOX Friday nights.
Nick, do you know people inside Fox? If so, what is Kevin Reilly thinking? Isn’t it ultimately his decision on whether or not to renew the show for a 2nd season? What does he think about the demos?
Y, since Kevin mentioned what numbers he was looking for, I know he has to be satisfied with Friday’s results. They exceeded the pessimistic peoples expectations and didn’t meet the optimistic peoples expectations (all people within FOX) so I’m sure he’s satisfied. This coming Friday will be the important date. DOLLHOUSE drops like a rock to TSCC numbers and you’ve got a cancellation waiting to happen. If it dips down to say a 1.7 then it should be ok. If it hangs tough in a 1.9 or even keeps its 2.0 it’s renewal is probable.
I love The Dollhouse so far. Fran Kranz (who also does amazing character videos on showbizzle.com) is so awesome! He’s everywhere I guess! How do you SAY showbizzle?
I really, really like Dollhouse, the idea was great… and has all mistery and melancholy I love in a tvserie…