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| Total Viewers (million) | 13.13 | 9.82 | 9.55 | 7.29 | 4.25 | 1.15 |
| Rating/Share: Adults 18-49 | 4.6/12 | 3.6/9 | 2.7/7 | 2.8/7 | 1.7/4 | 0.5/1 |
| Rating/Share: Adults 18-34 | 4.1/11 | 3.4/10 | 1.8/5 | 2.3/6 | 1.9/5 | 0.6/2 |
FOX won the night with the House & 24 combo, followed by reality-fueled ABC and a CBS lineup made up entirely of reruns. NBC was fourth overall, though it was 3rd in the 18-49 demo.
NOOOOO NBC, please don’t cancel Chuck. It’s the only show I watch on NBC! Actually, I watched Heroes too, but honestly (semi-spoiler warning, look away now) when I saw Parkman’s drawing on the floor at the end of the show I thought, please, please, let every character on the show be there when that happens.” I don’t know why I’m still watching. Maybe I’m just grouchy because when I think about which two shows of the NBC Monday night lineup NBC will likely keep. Is it too early to start the hand-wringing over Chuck’s fate? Perhaps, but sadly I doubt it. I really enjoyed last night’s episode from the very opening scene with young Morgan sporting an ALF t-shirt.
House and 24 led the night for FOX. And 24 easily bested Heroes in the 18-49 demo, and trailed Heroes by only a tenth of a ratings point with adults 18-34. Heroes slipped under 7 million and had its lowest 18-49 rating for the series.
CBS ran a repeat lineup, with The New Adventures of Old Christine (also a repeat) making a brief appearance in her old time slot before Rule of Engagement returns next week. Mondays are kinder to christine.
A two hour The Bachelor: The Women Tell All, followed by the season finale of True Beauty. I know some think True Beauty won’t be back, but when I look at the demo numbers I’m just not as sure.
CW’s Monday night lineup was still in repeats.
Full details:
| Time | Net | Show | Viewers (Millons) | 18-49 Rating/Share | 18-34 Rating/Share |
| 8:00 | FOX | House | 14.64 | 5.4/14 | 5.1/15 |
| ABC | The Bachelor: The Women Tell All | 10.73 | 3.5/9 | 3.3/10 | |
| CBS | The Big Bang Theory (R) | 8.40 | 2.7/7 | 1.8/6 | |
| NBC | Chuck | 6.47 | 2.2/6 | 1.8/5 | |
| CW | Gossip Girl (R) | 1.05 | 0.4/1 | 0.5/2 | |
| 8:30 | CBS | How I Met Your Mother (R) | 7.57 | 2.8/7 | 2.2/6 |
| 9:00 | CBS | Two and a Half Men (R) | 12.05 | 3.9/9 | 2.2/6 |
| FOX | 24 | 11.61 | 3.8/9 | 3.1/6 | |
| ABC | The Bachelor: The Women Tell All | 11.20 | 4.1/10 | 4.0/10 | |
| NBC | Heroes | 6.92 | 3.4/8 | 3.2/9 | |
| CW | One Tree Hill (R) | 1.26 | 0.5/1 | 0.7/2 | |
| 9:30 | CBS | The New Adventures of Old Christine (R) | 9.30 | 2.6/6 | 1.5/4 |
| 10:00 | CBS | CSI: Miami (R) | 10.00 | 2.3/6 | 1.5/4 |
| NBC | Medium | 8.48 | 2.7/7 | 1.7/5 | |
| ABC | True Beauty | 7.54 | 3.2/9 | 3.0/8 |
Shows are sorted by viewers in each time slot.
Nielsen TV Ratings: ©2009 The Nielsen Company.
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heroes lost a huge chunk of audience. i wouldnt be surprised if it wasnt back next fall.
Bad news for Chuck, if NBC cancel this I will cancel them!
Heroes is falliong flat:| If NBC cancel this I will cancel Medium!
LMAO at True Beauty beating Heroes.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Heroes not below a seven
So sad: hopefully not below a 3.0 next week.
Josh, the younger demos for Heroes are still good. Its Chuck you should be worried about.
Ouch, I think those are the worst Heroes ratings to date…too bad, despite what you think I thought it was a solid episode.
I agree that Chuck was amazing last night! It was quite possibly the best episode to date.
I’ve decided to stop hand-wringing over Chuck and just enjoy it while it lasts. Besides, I’d rather have it end after two good seasons, then go through a decline in quality.
I hope Chuck stops the bleeding next week, but with CBS comedies coming back and Bachelor finale, I’m getting kind of worried. At least it kept the same demo it got last week.
Robert, is a 2.2 for Chuck enough for a renewal for next season?
Jon, definitely the worst 18-49 ratings ever for a new Heroes, and I’d imagine series lows for viewers and 18-34 too.
bad news for heroes and chuck
Heroes volume 4 just aired in the UK: and the 2nd episode i thought was awesome!!! Please god i hope it bounces back: i’ve seen so many cancellations this year.
I don’t know what I’ll do without Chuck
Its the only show I watch on NBC… Hopefully this is one of the shows like the office, if it does get cancelled and is brought to cable for repeats the ratings sore, and NBC reconsiders bringing it back, like they did with the office!
VYuci, if the decisions are made purely based on the ratings numbers, no, I don’t think 2.2 is good enough. I may be leading the charge to get rid of the more expensive, bloated (but much higher rated even with series lows) Heroes instead.
next weeke there will be new episodes of HIMYM and TBBT so more bad news for Chuck…. i loved episode but this ratings just took it away from me… it’s not that much down from last week so mayby ther’s still hope…
Its so annoying when a show as bad as Two And A Half men beats Heroes (yes down but i’d watch even the worst episodes over Two and a half men any day).
Well Heroes is done. NBC might give them a 13 episode order next season just for the demo. But they shouldn’t.
Medium deserves a better lead in.
I’m worried about Chuck since it gets half the demo as Heroes… But it’s probably also way cheaper to produce.
ABC’s “The Bachelor: The Women Tell All,” is also a factor in NBC’s hit. This season’s Bachelor was biggest view season in its run. Wait until “Dancing With the Stars” return…that is going to hurt NBC. Heroes and Medium still have the fans and as long as they can get decent ratings in the younger demos they should still do well.
Chuck is crashing and burning and that show is likely to go before Heroes does.
Yeah, definitely a series low for ‘Heroes’ in viewers.
According to Josh Schwartz, Chuck producer, NBC has been very supportive of Chuck without saying they will be back next season, so fingers crossed.
Personally i think they should move Chuck and/Or Heroes to a Wednesday or Thursday
Hey, look on the bright side: if Chuck gets cancelled, Yvonne Strahovski (and Zach Levi –who um, I guess, had to take up only projects *cough*Chipmunks*cough* that do not conflict with Chuck’s filming schedule) will be released from their contracts and will be able to do bigger and better things.
I think Heroes hit about 4.46mil in the 18-49, about 65.5% of its overall audience.
Chuck hit about 2.88mil in the 18-49, about 44.5% of its overall audience.
Just hope Heroes DVD buys do okay: not as good as before but hopefully a bit better.
I dont think The Bachelor is the one to blame with Heroes going downhill. They share different audience.
Call me a heaters, but i hope NBC destroy (Z)eroes.
Chuck is great, I would hate to see it go, but the trend does not look good. 24 has really picked up the intensity again this year. I cannot understand the fascination with the baaachelor, ABC looks to only hope that the reality crap they put out can continue to attract a decent audience. Other than DH and greys, that’s what they seem to migrate to as a programming strategy.
“Its so annoying when a show as bad as Two And A Half men beats Heroes (yes down but i’d watch even the worst episodes over Two and a half men any day).”
The Bachelor: WTA is the overall winner in that hour at least in the young demos. 2 1/2, Heroes, 24, are in a horse race.
You got to keep in mind that CBS ALWAYS appealed to older demos. No matter how much they try to go after younger demos (and they do get them make no mistake).
Look at how the shows do well in the 18-49 and 18-34 demos before you make comments. Is Heroes hurting…Yes but I don’t see the show canceled this season. Chuck is likely to go look at the young demos their.
NBC used to have a Monday, Tuesday and Thursday night. Now it only has Tuesday & Thursday as Monday has thoroughly collapsed. Maybe bring Leno on for the whole night and call it Leno Mondays?
@Grace,
How can you get better than Chuck? Maybe “Chuck 2″
24 finally beated the bachelor in the viewers. Ouch for Heroes, this is bad… House is still kicking asses pretty hard. both in viewers and demos. Well good for FOX hope the eight season of 24 will be there last. Would hate to see 24 stopped after the 11 hour because of a lack of viewers…
I smell a “Save Heroes” campaign approaching. If it falls below 3 in demos this show is done
“Well good for FOX hope the eight season of 24 will be there last. Would hate to see 24 stopped after the 11 hour because of a lack of viewers…”
The plan is to have the eighth season of 24 be the last season before they try their hand of putting 24 on the Big Screen.
Don, Howard Gordon himself said he was misquoted on that. Kiefer wants to make the best 24 season on tv and he himself has said that is not been done yet.
In fact some of the producers are negotiating there deals to go on for 2 more years.
Chuck was GREAT last night. Probably my favorite episode yet! I hate to see this ratings drop. :*( It’s SUCH a tough night now. It’s like EVERY popular show is against eachother on Monday. I guess we can say so long to Chuck and Heroes. I won’t be sad about Heroes, but Chuck is gonna be a heartbreaker.
I prefer a campaign ‘Save the good TV, Cancel Heroes’:P
I hope NBC is wise enough to give the fans a Chuck finale, of some kind, IF it is not renewed. From my understanding, this season’s filming has already finished.
cool: I agree. Well, I used to watch Heroes, but c’mon…
the show has been given so many chances to correct itself, it’s almost ridiculous. It’s actually getting worse! Heroes sort of “deserves” to be cancelled for that, in my opinion.
Is that actually Stephen King eleven posts above?
The final conclusion seems to be that network TV can’t support two action shows on at the same time – see the Flashpoint audience going to Dollhouse (and probably right back next week), and the Heroes audience going to 24.
So the real determiner of Heroes’ return is… Fox’s scheduling for Fall. If they move Fringe there, put a fork in bringing Heroes back.
I LOVE HEREOS BUT LAST NIGHT EP WAS VERY BORING
i think chuck looks ok, NBC has nothing this year, and with ER leaving, they need to keep something! They cant have 10 new dramas! i think Chuck stays, but barely.
Well, perhaps I misspoke: NBC will definitely bring Heroes back, but whether they should or not depends on Fox.
Great next week there’s a 24 special: owe!!!!! Hope Heroes bounces back.
Why does no one ever discuss how well Medium is doing? That show has held up exceptionally well despite being pushed around by NBC for years. I don’t know why the refuse to give it a proper full season (starting in fall not winter). It’s one of the strongest performers on the network. It built massively on the lame lead-in Heroes gave it. The demo numbers are not as strong but those ratings are nothing to sneeze at.
I’d be sad if Chuck was canceled but I can barely stand Heroes anymore. At this point I sort of want it canceled so that I can finally stop suffering every Monday at 9:00.
Do you know when the renew index will be up Robert?? Would be interesting to see Chuck and Heroes numbers.
yes i miss the renew / cancel index
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Fin, Chuck and Heroes won’t include these numbers, though Chuck should be hurting from last week. Heroes will still be in the green when it falls into what logically seem like cancel levels to me.
Heroes will be back for one finale season, but that will be it. Hopefully Chuck is cheap and will live on.
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This is concerning for us Chuck fans, that being said NBC are surely aware of the fact that it’s up against House and although these numbers aren’t great, they are ok considering the stiff competition both Chuck and Heroes are up against. If NBC cut Chuck and not Heroes there will be no justice in that. Heroes isn’t exactly doing MUCH better then Chuck and considering it’s gone way down hill, they would be silly to keep Heroes and not Chuck. I think they are holding their own in a very competitive time slot and I don’t think any other shows put there would perform any better, let alone a pilot show. And as someone said, NBC loves Chuck, I don’t think the situation is as dyer as we may think.
Networks need to deal with the fact that they just aren’t getting as high numbers as they used to. And if they aren’t happy with Chuck on a Monday, then move it, give it a shot on another night, don’t give up on a great show. We lose too many of those, I’m still morning Pushing Daisies, I can’t lose another amazing show!
A new Renew/Cancel index will hopefully be up tonight or early tomorrow. However, it will only include recent airings through Sunday (it will include airings from Monday 2/16, but not last night).
Chuck is probably gone (god i hope i’m wrong) and only miracle can save it considering that probably next week’s ratings will go down even more…
What NBC should do if their new sitcom with Amy Phoeler fails is cancel My Name is Earl(talk about stale show) and move Chuck to Thursdays
I agree with Pete,
Give ‘Medium’ some credit! Solid ratings when NBC shoves the show to the side and barely promotes it.
Robert, do you have the half hour breakdowns for Chuck?
If Chuck was ever freaking promoted. The only promotion I see for the episode is right after a new one ends. Then nothing til right before the next episode. Chuck should be moved to USA.
Psych
Monk
Chuck
Burn Notice
That would be solid. Repeats of it on all the time, heavy promotion.
Do we have to have all the chuck and heroes comments? i doubt NBC will lose either. the ratings are ok for both shows just about. like the comment above said. talk about a good show like medium. the only good show NBC has.
Wow, Heroes is really losing it’s live audience. Under 7 million viewers is horrible. But that’s what they deserve for insulting the intelligence of the audience week after week. NBC should have gotten rid of Tim Kring before he had a chance to ruin that show.
I still expect Heroes to be back next year.
As bad as the total viewers numbers are the demo performance is still strong enough (particularly compared to the rest of the NBC line-up) to get it another year. A budget cut along with the change of executive producers currently happening probably gives NBC enough wiggle room to bring it back next year. However if I were involved in the show I’d be looking at wrapping it in Season 4.
Chuck I’m less convinced on. Whilst I’m not a massive fan of the show I still think NBC should consider bringing it back next year in Knight Rider’s current slot or as part of their Thursday Night comedy block but won’t be holding my breath on that as I thought they should have moved it mid-season if they were serious about keeping it around – there’s no way it was going to get improved numbers against House every week. Although with AI returning I don’t know where they would have put it…
Elsewhere House is still pulling scary demos and the CBS comedies are still repeating surprisingly well.
“If Chuck was ever freaking promoted. The only promotion I see for the episode is right after a new one ends. Then nothing til right before the next episode. Chuck should be moved to USA.”
Are people still making the (false) Chuck was/is never promoted argument?
Although I agree that Chuck is a nice fit on USA.
Are people still making the (false) Chuck was/is never promoted argument?
People will make that argument for every show with lousy ratings. It’s particularly amusing when it goes “Chuck is never promoted, whawhawha, but Chuck is the only show I watch on NBC.”
heroes won’t be back next fall for sure
I make sure to record medium cause its one of the few shows i enjoy watching ….Nbc has never gave it a “wow we have a great show” status but i do believe its time nbc does!!
NBC with Medium is like CW with supernatural. They don’t promote the show, they don’t talk about it. They do nothing to help it. But the show is doing well. They prefer to waste money on dead shows…
VYuci, Chuck was remarkably consistent. both half hours track very closely with the hourly averages and the demos were exactly the same both half hours.
“Do we have to have all the chuck and heroes comments?”
This is the interesting part John. Chuck and Heroes cause these are the shows being talked about due to the ratings. The Bachelor was also talked about during this time and I am sure we are going to talk about Chuck and Heroes once DTWS returns.
CBS and ABC to quote Tom B….”You Are Safe.”
We like talking about the shows that might not make it, and right now CBS and ABC have solid lineups.
Wow, how much more expensive is Heroes then Chuck? I really hope chuck has another season, but if it doesnt its not the end of the world… another show will take its place!
Heroes will almost certainly be back as Bryan Fuller signed a big deal with Universal in part to rescue the show. Fuller has already talked about his season 4 ideas. I’m not saying that NBC won’t give up on Heroes if the ratings fall further, but it’s unlikely.
Bryan Fuller signed a deal with NBC but it wasn’t exclusive to Heroes. If he creates a show they like, that works in his deal as well. So he very well could leave the show.
CHUCK will be renewed or move to the CW. Schwartz has an agreement from Dawn to protect his baby.
HEROES on the other hand, is on the bubble. It’s too expensive. It needs to cut costs in half, and frankly a show that gets that bad rarely gets better. So it’s a bad gamble. Shows that bad generally lose 20% of the audience after a season, so the show down in the 5s, and 2s in demos for that price is well absurd.
Julia gave me an idea. When the season is over, what about making a renew/cancel index with just the last 5 or 10 episodes instead of the whole season. It would show how shows that have fallen (Like Heroes, Ugly Betty, Samantha Who? ect) are doing without their earlier higher ratings holding the average up.
I think it would be pretty interesting so see the differences.
Matt, I’d love to do shorter term Indexes, and I will do them for a the most bubbly of the bubble shows come April. But since we do not get individual 18-49 weekly numbers for shows (only their season averages) it’s a lot more work.
I’m sorry but the ratings for Chuck and Heroes don’t make sense at all.
You have a show in Chuck, that is dripping in nerdvana, and a “comic book” show following it. Heroes gains less that 50 K from it’s opening, but it’s share of 18-34 year olds jumps that much?
NBC has to be sick to their stomach the way they let Heroes get ruined. Averaged nearly 13 million people, had a sophomore slump and then didn’t come back after the writers strike…absolutely sunk that show.
Something that is not NBC related, it looks like testing Old Christine behind 2.5 Men did not work. It was slightly up in viewers, but the same in the demo.
had better viewers than Worst Week though Julia. That’s a plus. I’d try Gary unmarried there personally.
Yikes, I had the wrong 18-34 numbers in for 2.5 Men. Fixed. I wouldn’t draw anything from a repeat of Christine coming out of a repeat of 2.5 Men, but some would argue even the repeat of OC should’ve pulled a 2.9 or 3.0 in adults 18-49.
They’ll likely move Medium to Sunday nights following football season. That won’t affect it terribly, since it is effectively on a post-football schedule, anyway. I’m guessing that’s a better return for NBC than Heroes is.
That said, NBC HAS to get Chuck and Heroes off of Mondays. Wednesday nights will be the best bet if ABC runs Lost again next year in the same format. NBC doesn’t have to win the slots, just come in 2nd. Chuck and Heroes would easily beat CBS’ current Wednesday lineup, and ABC would need a killer lead-in to Lost (assuming Lost stays at 9PM ET) to help build the Lost audience. Fox is the only network NBC would lose to in that scenario, and maybe not even the entire year.
I’d have Medium be a 22 episode season. This whole midseason thing they did never made sense to me.
Nick C, I hope that you’re right.
I think Chuck will be renewed if it could get its demos to hover 2.5. Otherwise, NBC will move it to USA, move it mid-season, or cancel it.
Next week will be interesting – no House (2 hours of 24), Bachelor finale, and new BBT/HIMYM. How will this effect Chuck’s ratings? I could see it improving regardless of a new BBT/HIMYM.
In December, Chuck was able to earned its highest ratings of the season (at that time) up against a new BBT/HIMYM — improving on its previous week’s performance up against CBS repeats.
Jimmy, it’s not good for Worst Week, but it’s not good for Old Christine either. If it had had a better showing with a repeat, considering CBS’s usual success with repeats, I would guess CBS might be thinking of keeping it another season and moving it back to Mondays. (And giving up on Wednesdays maybe?) As is, I would say they will not be doing that. Christine is either canceled or staying on Wednesday.
Heroes will come back for one more season. I think NBC will air all of the episodes in a row, probably 13 or so. Chuck will continue to slip and will not be renewed. Bringing back Heroes makes sense because the DVD sales can overcome any slight losses in the ratings…and by calling the next season, “the final season”, they’ll be able to keep people sticking around since it’s only a commitment of one more year, which as we all know, worked like a charm for ER.
Perhaps, the smartest move would be to give Conan O’Brien a 10 PM variety show and move Leno to 9 PM…Jimmy Fallon would then inherit the Tonight Show after having the summer to hone his gig…Late Night With Carson Daly? Last Call With Dave Attell?
Variety shows dont work.
A few weeks ago I thought Chuck was safe, now I’m not so sure. In fact, I think it’s gone. I’m going to go cry somewhere.
Medium is doing well, but lets not forget it has been going up against repeats of CSI: Miami for the past 2 weeks.
Heroes will stick around for another (possibly shortened) season if its demo stays above the 3.0. If not, NBC should just dump it. The show will not gain any new viewer or win the old ones back. The likely trend is it will continue to lose viewers.
Nick how do you know that Josh has a deal to protect Chuck? Not saying your a liar just wondering where lol
I really hope Chucks ratings can pick up fast. Chuck is a way better show than any of the CBS comedies (I use to watch), and The Bachelor. Anyways, I have my fingers crossed for a ratings climb and a 3rd season.
Personally I am disheartned to hear about Chuck. It is currently my favorite television show. I come on here (first time posting please go easy) to see how it’s doing because I am concerned about it coming back for a season 3. The majority of boards I’ve been to seem to be just as passionate about the show but unfortunately it doesn’t seem to be reflective in the rating and not sure why.
But I can’t say that it’s because of no promotion like some people point out. Maybe it’s the case and maybe it’s not. This is the only NBC show I watch regularly (I buy law and order and the office on itunes or catch them on hulu) so I wouldn’t know if they were promoting it regularly or not.
I just think its a great show and hope it comes back for a season 3. I’m not sure if all the debby downers on the different boards I’ve visited contribute to the gloom and doom outlook for it or if it really is as bad as some people think. Well that’s just my 2 cents.
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The only reason Heroes will get another season is the demo over 3.0. Unless it continues to implode. I dont discount the possibility they will only order 13 more episodes to wrap up the series for the Spring 2010 and that will be it.
“24″ keep chugging along. It will be back. Though this season seems more like a collection of multi episode story arcs of Terrorist Plot, Kidnap First Husband, Kindap Woman, Whitehouse Hostage Crisis. Come on, send Jack back to stop the Lincoln assassination and see what happens when he gets back to the present he has to take on President Adolph Hitler Jr. “24″ is getting too boring and predictable it needs something to spice it up.
They need to put Chuck on Thursday’s night lineup in the place of Kath & Kim. Problem solved.
“Chuck and Heroes would easily beat CBS’ current Wednesday lineup”
Never in total viewers and Chuck would have to really pick up the demo pace, because I cannot see a show like Heroes make any considerable dent in Criminal Minds.
Supposing (as it seems you do) everyone else sticks to their guns and it’s Criminal Minds, Lost and AI against Heroes, in what category exactly do you think NBC would come in second?
Average Joe,
24 has already been guaranteed a season 8; which will begin shooting soon. I do agree with you on 24 – after 6 seasons, it’s getting a little tired and predictable. Although they tried to changed it up by destroying CTU and having it take place in D.C., the basic scenarios do take place over and over.
Sad day for Heroes, I love the show.. Watch for viewership to increase around ep. 20.
>Supposing (as it seems you do) everyone else sticks to their guns and it’s Criminal Minds, Lost and AI against Heroes, in what category exactly do you think NBC would come in second?
Criminal Minds’ audience is a much older one, and it’s the 18-49 demo that will set the advertising dollars. The two shows are close on that score and Heroes beats it easily in the 18-34 demo.
Bear in mind, this also assumes that Chuck and Heroes start in September and NBC doesn’t do what they do now by taking them off the air for two months. ABC will have all-new programming on Wednesdays unless Lost goes to a full-year schedule, and American Idol won’t premiere until January. For at least the fall, NBC would place no worse than 2nd from 8-10PM and might even win those two hours. Once Idol comes back, the battle will be for second.
At the absolute MINIMUM, Chuck and Heroes have a better shot on Wednesdays than they do on Mondays. Hell, they’re getting beat by reruns on CBS right now.
>They need to put Chuck on Thursday’s night lineup in the place of Kath & Kim. Problem solved.
Almost. You would need to lose a second comedy from Thursday. My Name is Earl would be the likeliest candidate of the other 3 shows. But now you’d have a one-hour comedy/action/drama paired with 2 half-hour sitcoms, something NBC hasn’t done since the mid-80’s. Not that it’s a bad idea, but that might be too daring for NBC’s tastes. That would also assume you dump Heroes or run it with Medium on Sundays after football.
Actually, that could work. Good idea. Of course, this assumes NBC doesn’t want to premiere any other sitcoms next year.
It’s disheartening to see Chuck at this level in the ratings, but I’m not too worried just yet. I’ve noticed that Chuck usually dips in the ratings after breaks, both in season 1 and 2. So hopefully the next couple of episodes it will start creeping up higher.
Personally I think if John is willing to lower to the price a little bit, and NBC gives rights to air Chuck on cable (TBS, or USA) and a little bit of promotion, ratings, would sore. I know I said this before, but this is true. Look at “The Office” canceled after six episodes, comes to cable and cable ratings are through the roof, next thing you know, NBC gives it another shot, and its like their most successful show on TV now. Which btw, I have to say that “The Office” pretty much making Scranton, PA one of the most popular cities in the US now, is awesome, since I live their.
CBS will likely move either BBT or HIMYM to the 8pm Wednesday time-slot next season to provide a lead-in for a new comedy. Worst Week and Gary Unmarried will get canned while Old Christine will move to mid-season or another network. Next season, CBS will be more competitive on Wednesday.
Josh schwatz just said (i think its on Kristin at E) that NBC is telling him Chuck is all but safe
David, sadly the key word there is BUT.
Even thought you can’t really judge a re-run of Old Christine like you can a real episode, I think it did fairly well. Better than Worst Week and possibly the airings of Gary Unmarried in that time-slot, I think CBS will have to consider putting Old Christine back on Mondays – they know that it would work – but will they? I guess we’ll find out.
Overall, highest total viewers and demos for the entire season, so can’t really complain.
VYuci, I agree with you. Episode 2.02 and 2.03 garnered the lowest ratings for Chuck (5.9 and 6.0 million viewers respectively) before it begin steadily creeping back up. By its fall finale, Chuck was up to 7.56 million viewers. A similar trend also occurred during season one.
Next Week, will not be a good week for any struggling show. new HIMYM/BBT and also 24 has 2 hour special.
so most shows will go down.
Ryan, considering House is far stronger than 24, wouldn’t going up against 24 be better for Chuck?
WHOOO go christine CBS look christine wooks in that slot put it there
Dave, Christine did better than Gary (which aired repeats behind 2 1/2 twice) in total viewers, but worse in the 18-49 demo.
I agree, Chuck ratings may go up. I think new CBS comedies has minimal effect on Chuck’s performance –Chuck put up one of its best numbers of the season back in Nov/Dec going up against new BBT/HIMYM.
DDK: please tell me you didn’t just type the words “Jimmy Fallon would then inherit the Tonight Show “.
(I cut ‘n pasted, so the heresy remians yours.
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Julia, 24 is an entirely different show than House and even so, it is not stronger by a whole margin. In fact with DVR numbers etc, 24 almost matches House
Justin: the Office was never cancelled and it didn’t start on cable until its third or fourth season.
Sorry to double post but David, do you have the link to the interview please?
I believe Chuck’s ratings may actually go up with 24 airing against chuck rather than House. House has better viewership and demo numbers than 24 so that may help out Chuck a bit.
The problem for Chuck is the demos. It’s viewership numbers are at season average, but the demo numbers have taken a beating. Some blame could go to House and The Bachelor affecting Chuck’s demos.
Holly: Thanks a lot for that info! I’m going to go and look up whether Two and a Half Men’s ratings were higher on those nights compared to last night and see if Men provided a stronger lead-in for Gary in those airings compared to last night.
I don’t know if David was referring to this article about Chuck’s renewal:
Being Nielsen-box challenged, how would I let NBC know in a powerful way that canceling Chuck would be an egregious error? I have considered buying NBC and guaranteeing this, but I am pretty sure they would laugh at my offer of five bucks and a Princess Leia Pez dispenser.
—Kellin, Harrisonburg, Va.
With rapier wit like that, I’m surprised you’ve had any trouble communicating to the mandarins at NBC. But relax. Per a spokesman, “We’re not canceling Chuck.”
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/ask_the_answer_bitch/b79896_did_paris_really_snatch_30_swag_bags.html
Here’s a question, can NBC bring Chuck and Heroes back? I mean logistically speaking is that going to be possible? When you factor in shows they’re likely to bring back, the fact they’re losing the 10PM hour to make way for Leno during the week and new shows debuting is NBC going to actually have space for both shows next year? Unless they air them on Fridays…
ummm I watch chuck and 24….but if you put them side by side I think Ill watch 24. The thing people dont understand is that watching 24 is more of an investment than watching say chuck. If you miss an episode of 24 your basically screwed because you cant pick it back up until you find the episode on the net.
On the other hand with chuck you have everything wrapped up in the hour. Seriously I love chuck but I know fulcrom will be their next week and so will the (will they/wont they) tention they have going between chuck and sarah.
That being said I doont see how 24’s numbers will improve or get worse. I bet you can look at the numbers for episode 3 and the 2nd to last episode and it will be no more than one standard deviation apart.
NBC could possibly bring back both shows, but definitely not both on Mondays. NBC has to do some massive restructuring on Monday nights. I think if Heroes stays above 3.0 in the demo, it will be back for only 13 episodes. Chuck, on the other hand, if it is able to bump its demo to 2.5 or so, it could be back for a full season or just back in the winter.
Start preparing your eulogy for Heroes. It can’t be a cheap show to produce and it’s falling really fast. Their decision not to return after the writer’s strike and instead leave viewers with a gigantic 10-month gap between seasons was the fatal blow. That’s when I, and most people I know, stopped watching.
I never watched Chuck so I won’t really miss it, but clearly NBC needs some more 1-hour shows of quality that aren’t a Law & Order franchise.
Sitcoms are all I really watch on NBC anymore these days.
Also, I never liked Christine on Wednesdays anyway. I say take it back to Mondays against my favorite new show of 08-09, “Worst Week”.
LOL the reason no one watches Heroes anymore is because it’s one of the worst shows on tv. NBC put Chuck and Heroes out of their misery already. House rules mondays bitches!!!!!!!!!!
The best news for fans of Chuck and Heroes is that NBC is in total free-fall now. They simply cannot cancel everything. It is in their vested interest to keep the shows they believe creatively can be saved and/or have their costs cut. Just like NBC saved Friday Night Lights (and could still again), they probably see something salvageable in both shows. But please dont say they havent promoted these shows. I have never watched either show but feel like I have with the constant promotions, especially in front of 95 million Super Bowl viewers. Its own football-themed show, Friday Night Lights, received zero promotion during the Super Bowl.
i dont even watch heroes anymore. They seemed to have changed the characters we liked and they did a 180 degree spin.
None of the characters i liked in the begining are even recognizable. i dont like them anymore.
As for Chuck it one of NBC’s best shows i hope it dosent get sucked under the wake of Heroes as that show sinks…
Seems any of the Good shows that are worthy of an audence- The networks dont know what to do with them- Even some of the old time faves are getting tiresome.
The unit is great example- i liked that show-and i could see in my mind how a network suit said how can we get more women to watch and had the units wives become defacto unit members..and the stories went as well…
sigh…
chalk up another i dont watch anymore.
HEROES just costs too much to get these ratings… if it falls below a 3.0 in the demos, I can’t see NBC bringing it back.
the E-Online post is a bit misleading. I am not worried at all about NBC cancelling Chuck this season, so from a certain slant, “don’t worry, we’re not cancelling it” is completely true. But that’s different from whether it will be renewed for season three.
Yeah that E!Online article is probably referring to this season. NBC won’t cancel Chuck this season. Next season, however, could be a different matter. If NBC does bring back Chuck, it has to be on a different night. Just way too much competition on Monday
Oh no, hopefully Heroes stays safe! Hoping for a big boost in viewers come Episode 20 when Bryan Fuller comes back. I think the latest episode was the weakest out of the 4 of this volume, but it was ok.
Does anybody agree that Heroes is treading water at the moment?
People –
Yes, NBC needs to move Heroes and/or Chuck off of Mondays. But where would they put it? NBC is now in the same pickle Fox is in with scheduling low-raters like Prison Break & Dollhouse. As far as NBC is concerned:
Tuesday is scheduled.
Thursday is mostly scheduled; this close to syndication, a Universal show (Earl) stays vs. a non-Universal show (Chuck), at least for next year.
Sunday (in Fall) is scheduled.
Friday & Saturday don’t get the viewers to warrant those programming costs.
Which leaves Monday & Wednesday. Sure, Chuck & Heroes would do better on Wednesday (at least if/until Lost shows up). But is it worth harming their (probably) L&O and (definitely) L&O:SVU numbers by sacrificing them on Mondays to improve Heroes up until midseason?
No, the best outcome is to bring Heroes back for a final season on Mondays, with a reduced budget and a smaller cast. Remember that NBC has a huge awkward break in the middle of the year due to the Olympics; introduce your show-ending villain in an end of November cliffhanger and hope people come back in March.
Or they could just cancel it. But what do you program Mondays at 9pm with? ABC has women locked up, CBS has comedies, Fox has action, CW (probably still) has young women. What does that leave NBC with?
P.S. Please don’t suggest NBC start a Friday action block. Just don’t.
I don’t get it. Chuck is a great show. Why is it not catching on. Somebody move it to CBS please.
I still think NBC need to look at moving Heroes to 8PM next year and using it as a lead-in because whilst its total viewers are horrible the demo numbers are still strong enough for something to benefit from running after it. If Fox doesn’t keep House on Monday’s next season NBC should just make the switch with Heroes and launch a new show at 9 or maybe bump Medium up to a 9PM slot on Monday’s, although I doubt they’ll do that.
As far as Chuck goes, as much as I’d like to see it move to the Thursday Night comedy line-up logistically I can’t see it happening unless they make some major creative changes and make it a 30-minute show rather than an hour. Outside of that I’m not sure where they’d put it that wasn’t Monday at 8 or Friday nights.
Tom, the last thing Heroes needs is to have any momentum a final season might have be split in two during the Olympics. Heroes should have one final half-season of all new episodes, either this fall, or next spring AFTER the Olympics.
If I knew that Heroes was airing 13 FINAL amazing, killer episodes, I would watch it.
I’m not sure a reduced budget would work for a show whose entire premise is about people with extraordinary superpowers. It’s bad enough with a high budget. Cheap, shlocky “The CW” style special effects would be pretty bad.
Instead of watching it die a slow death and be nothing like the great show it was during season 1, they should bring it full circle and set an end date, like LOST. I’ve said for along time that Heroes should be like Prison Break and Lost and have a set end date, preferably in a March-May block next Spring.
“Are people still making the (false) Chuck was/is never promoted argument? ”
Alex…you got to understand something. If a show is doing bad in the ratings, internet fans will ALWAYS blame the network for not advertising it enough-no matter how much they spent advertising it. Chuck has been advertised a lot. Chuck is like on my top 3 shows, I love it, my dad loves it…but if it can’t draw an audience, then speaking from buisness executive and not my fanboy side…Chuck isn’t profitable and shouldn’t stick.
But from a fanboy side….DON’T CANCEL CHUCK NBC!
Yes! I hope that pile of standalone crap that is Chuck will get axed! Hopefully Baldwin can go on to do better projects. Heroes is painfully bad tv since season 1. If they have to keep one keep Heroes. On it’s worst it’s still 10 times better than Crap..I mean Chuck.
WOW! Looks like the Chuck fans have been bitten by the Moonlight fans.
Well, geting 9 million on a repeat, i think Old Christine is sticking around for another year on CBS!
Final numbers are out and it looks like Heroes just barely nudge past 7 mil viewers.
Chuck
- 6.592 million viewers
- 4.0/6 HH
- 2.3/6 A18-49
Heroes
- 7.073 million viewers
- 4.4/7 HH
- 3.4/8 A18-49
Medium
- 8.429 million viewers
- 5.4/9 HH
- 2.6/7 A18-49
i think CBS should move “Old Christine” back on it’s original time. Moving it on Wednesday is obviously a bad idea.
and if NBC want higher numbers for Chuck and Heroes and i think they should change the schedule around
Tony, I sense that you’re a bitter Firefly fan. Do you also wish T:SCC would be canned too because of Summer Glau?
Your statement about Chuck being stand-alone is wrong. There is a mythology behind the show, which about half their episodes is focused on. I can understand why you think Chuck is so poor in quality if you had just watch the stand-alone episodes. Some of their stand-alone episode can be a little dull; such as the 3D episode.
Thankfully, the rest of season will focus on Fulcrum story-line.
Chuck was AWESOME last night! NBC please don’t cancel Chuck!!!
24 is GREAT this season. Never been better.
chuck
Chuck Rocks..
It is not looking good for the chuckster, I am just going to enjoy it while it last.
Just want to add, this website is awesome. I found this media numbers site from, looking for “chuck” numbers.
Now a question…
Did Obama kill Chuck, or NBC by promoting the 3D ep. during the Superbowl?
i cant believe old christine did so well for a rerun. its did better than any first run episodes on wednesday this season. and even for a rerun, it was still the highest rated sitcom on Cbs second only to 2 and a half men. 9:30 was its time slot last year, so why dont they keep it their, Rules of enagagment isnt nearly as good. stick them on wednesdays.
I think you are exactly right, Robert. I think financially it would save them oodles of money to cancel Heroes with its bajillion/episode budget over Chuck; which despite its amazing quality, costs quite a bit less than Heroes. My hope is they move Chuck to a more compatible night (Wednesday, maybe?) for next year. We’ll see.
I’m so glad my favorite show is House! There aren’t much shows who have this high ratings in it’s fifth season. Totally deserved, best writing ánd acting on television!
I’m a little sad ’bout Chuck though.. it’s such a cute show, I don’t understand why people aren’t watching it
Heroes needs to get out of the monday slot FAST! NBC will renew it for next season for sure, its 18-49 ratings will save it even though it just hit series low. Too bad to, I loved last night’s episode to with BRYAN FULLER putting some life into the series again.
@Agent StraHOTski: Where did you find those final numbers?
Bryan Fuller has had very little to no effect on what we’re seeing from Heroes right now. I believe his first official episode back with the show is Episode 20 and whilst he has had some say in shaping the final episodes of Volume 4 this is still mainly Loeb/Alexander/Kring at work.
That E-online post is from about a month ago, by that time, Everyone knows that Season 2 is going to finish, I’m not saying he was, but I’d say that he might have been referring to next season. Especially since everyone knows NBC ordered an entire season 2.
By the way, Chris, I didnt know that about the office: I was told that it was canceled after 6 episodes than cable ratings got NBC to change their minds, thats why their was only 6 episodes. My Bad!
I just lost Pushing Daisies this season. I can’t lose Chuck too!!! It’s such an awesome show. I hate that there’s even a question of whether it’ll be back for another season.
CBS should move Old Christine back to this spot permanently. A repeat got 2 million more viewers than an original does on Wednesday! And I don’t think there’s any question that this show is far better than Rules of Engagement.
“Chuck” is a Nielsen dud? Oh, well. Who cares. Here’s my advice to Josh Schwartz and Chris Fedak. If you want to have shows that, like, actually do well, try coming up with a more creative show title than “Chuck.” Did they really think that would inspire anybody to watch the thing? Even piss poor shows like “Grey’s Anatomy” and “The Moment of Truth” got the title thing right.
P.S. Anybody who is still arguing that CBS might renew “Worst Week” should go stick their head in the microwave and give themself a tan (or whatever “wacky” things Sam accidentally did while slipping on banana peels and breaking stuff every worst week the world had to suffer through that wretched show). Aside from not even airing one episode, CBS shut off all on-air promotion for it in January. The series finale didn’t even have a promo run during “Two and a Half Men.” You know, the show that aired before it?
I enjoy Heroes but Monday’s episode was flat. It was called Cold Wars… a good name since it was as exciting as a stalemate. Nothing happened. The only vibrant and dynamic character on Heroes now is Sylar… and he wan’t in it at all. Everyone else is predictable… especially after this episode. The only other wild card – Bennet – is now safely explained. I put the blame squarely on Tim Kring and the writers. Heroes has some of the best actors on TV. Especially Quinto and Coleman. There is no reason for Heroes become a melodramatic soap opera full of contrived plots.
Personally I hope Heroes is cancelled so that Quinto can move on. He IS a movie star. He looks like a leading man and has tons of talent and charisma. He can do action, comedy and romance. I can barely wait for Star Trek to come out. I hope he begins working on another movie soon!
Wow, it’s easy to overlook, but that Monday at 9 pm EST is a really competitive timeslot. Amazing that 3 really diverse shows do so well in total viewers and demos.
Oh, I concur, go Chuck!
Re: Posts mentioning ‘Lost’.
Setting an end date does not save a show. ‘Lost’ is not good because it has an end date; it is good because it is actually a good show. You cannot just throw an end date on ‘Heroes’ and expect that that will make things okay. Viewers are not just going to come back because they know that something is ending. Maybe for an episode or two, but the writing will ultimately have to prove itself to regain fans.
‘Heroes’ cannot move to Wednesdays at 9:00. That is the ultimate ‘Heroes’ killer. It is dying anyway, but this death is slow (in relative terms). Seeing as ‘Heroes’ was created because NBC wanted a serialized drama after noticing how successful ‘Lost’ was for ABC, there is likely no greater audience overlap among ‘Heroes’ watchers than with ‘Lost’. And no one is going to choose ‘Heroes’ over ‘Lost’. The ratings for ‘Lost’ will not change against ‘Heroes’, but a dent will be put in those of ‘Heroes’. Not to mention the competition of ‘American Idol’, its lead-out and ‘Criminal Minds’.
Shame for Heroes! 6 million thats just unacceptable! Ugly Betty didnt hit the mark yet.
True Beauty has a good demo numbers but I don’t want to see a 2nd season.
yeah, im actually wondering what were some of you thinking, suggesting to put heroes against lost…
im sure that the very few viewers heroes has left are from the same audience that watches lost. and i think they wouldnt hesitate to choose lost over heroes if they were up against eachother.
im never reading this page again on tueday. so boring with all the chuck and heroes comments.
@thedemonhog: Actually, i watch both Heroes and Lost. And if Heroes ever moved to Wednesday, I would actually watch Heroes over Lost.
House FTW !!
The sad thing about CHUCK is that NBC promoted the heck out of the worst episode of the series (3D), which was followed by a week off due to the president speaking, which was then followed up by two brilliant episodes that lost ratings. It is like CHUCK can’t catch a break. And now NBC has decided to skip another week in two weeks so that the show can lead new episodes of HEROES. Every time the show takes a time off, outside of the 3D episode, the show drops in ratings and then builds up three weeks later. NBC seems to have no understanding of the CHUCK audience.
You are the only one, Hudson.
hERO’S SHOULD HAVE BEEN CANCELLED LAST YEAR! “24″ GETS BETTER AND BETTER. GO FOX!
So thedemonhog, it’s just coincidence that Lost got way better once they set the end date? In season 3, Lost started to flounder and wander. All those storylines with Anna Maria and Nikki/Pablo and the African priest, it was losing focus. Then, they made the agreement with ABC to end in 2010, and since then the show has been incredible.
So yes, it has to be a good show anyway, but if certain shows get set an ending date, it creates for a far more concise and dynamic storyline. A set end date CAN totally change a show’s direction.
I LOVE CHUCK!!!! Tonight’s episode (March 1) was so good! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don’t cancel Chuck! It’s the ONLY show I still watch that’s NEW.