Comments on: Terminator’s Back, But Not For Long

By: djm

djm — Sat, 21 Mar 2009 21:22:05 +0000

bobbie your forgetting that firefly wasent popular until after it was canceled…..
but if that post helps you sleep at night… feel free to believe it

By: Observer

Observer — Sat, 21 Mar 2009 21:07:23 +0000

Yes Jonathan one can perceive an attitude in text form! Don’t try to pretend after you responding like you did wasn’t meant to imply a sense of arrogance! That’s so passive aggresive. You just got thrown under the bus because you were WRONG, and now had to back pedal and act like you weren’t just being pompous!!!

By: Julia

Julia — Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:09:48 +0000

By the way, Jonathan, this thread is from a few weeks ago. The current index has TSCC at .46

By: Julia

Julia — Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:01:27 +0000

No, .50 is grounds for cancelation everywhere.

By: Jonathan

Jonathan — Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:59:10 +0000

But DND and Bones are not on Fridays, so how would they compare.
Perhaps having a .77 on Mondays, was grounds for cancellation but a .50 on Friday, may not be…

By: Julia

Julia — Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:30:09 +0000

Jonathan, everyone else can easily understand the Renew/Cancel index. Why can’t you? The average 18-49 viewership for the whole network (in FOX’s case up until Idol premieres) is the network’s average STD (season to date, not standard deviation).

And, yes, they do keep the different days separate for other shows. If you go to the NBC page and see that Life is only calculated from its Wednesday airings. The reason for this is, particularly in cases like TSCC, the ratings it got in its current timeslot are often more important than the whole season.

With TSCC, when it was airing on Monday it was at .77 on the index. That is definitely grounds for cancelation. No questions asked. But Fridays have lower expectations. If TSCC were able to hold .77 on Fridays, it might be considered a bubble show. If you include its Monday ratings with its Friday ratings you make it seem like it has a chance. It doesn’t.

By: Jonathan

Jonathan — Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:46:13 +0000

I read the post, it’s vague as vague can get. It’s not lazyness, why would I ask if you already wrote it? I ask because it’s not clear in the writing.

You know what this translates to?
“The Renew/Cancel Index is a show’s Season To Date adults 18-49 viewership divided by its networks Season to Date average 18-49 viewership”

It translates to:
Sum / (Sum / Count) ==== Count

Unless you mean something else by “season to date viewership”, I’m assuming you mean the sum of the whole seasons number of viewers per show.

And why count from February, why not the whole season? Does Fox determine cancellation based on half-season averages? Because Before Feb, it was on a different time zone, and had much higher numbers. Did you do the same with Do Not Disturb and Prison Break?

And the Fox ratings you guys post on “Fox” category, is that not 18-49?

Attitude? You can tell my attitude from text? I was just curious as to how you got these odd numbers…

By: Robert Seidman

Robert Seidman — Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:06:05 +0000

Jonathan, dang, you’re too lazy to actually read the post even though it answers your questions and then on top of that you have an attitude about it?

From the post above:

The Renew/Cancel Index is a show’s Season To Date adults 18-49 viewership divided by its networks Season to Date average 18-49 viewership. Note that the Fox average used above is its final Season to Date average prior to American Idol (see below).

You’re citing total numbers. The index only focuses on 18-49. As for TSCC and what numbers were used, also from the post above:

Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles: The numbers above are for only its Friday airings that began on February 13, 2009. FYI, It’s 13 episode 18-49 average on Monday this season was 2.726 million.

By: Jonathan

Jonathan — Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:56:54 +0000

What numbers are you using to calculate these random numbers????

STD as in standard deviation? Up to what date are you averaging?

TSCC average is currently:
5313
STD:
662

What dates are you averaging?

By: Bobbie

Bobbie — Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:15:07 +0000

Trust me, Terminator will not get canceled. The movie will come out soon, and they will probably wait for that. Not to mention, there is 2 million + fans, on a show that last season had only like 5-7 episodes. People are still learning about the show, they barely know it exists yet. Give it time.

Trust me, I watched Terminator & Dollhouse. Terminator just makes dollhouse look like a low budget terrible show. TSCC is going to be more popular than Fringe even. They need to make some improvements first, such as putting more of Cameron (Summer Glau) into the scenes.

I watched all of Fringe as well, and I’ll tell you what, Fringe can get boring, and disgustingly awkward. The main actress is also pretty ugly. And the plots are predictable, with the mad scientist solving everything!

I watch, all the Fox shows, and TSCC is their best show so far. It has action, twisted plots, character dimension, and there’s a movie related to it coming out soon. If they cancel it, it will become a cult hit like Firefly.

By: Byxl

Byxl — Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:22:53 +0000

I think Whedon/Dushku combination would be better with another Slayer spin off. I just don’t see Dollhouse making another season- hence, yet another great Whedon idea is wasted. Still, maybe it’s too early to say.
TSCC should have invested more into Summer Glau character- in my opinion she should have been a central figure of the show, since the rest of the cast and characters, with the exeption of Weaver and Ellison (to some extent), are tottaly boring. Riley and Jesse consumed much of the space reserved for Cameron and failed misserably.
Regarding the cast, I found Brian Austin Green to be a pleasent surprise considering his soap opera roots. Garret Dillehunt was really good and I hope to see more of him in the future.
If both shows are canceled maybe we might see Whedon/Glau combination this fall-which would be a good deal for the most of us watching TSCC and/or Dollhouse.

By: lLauren

lLauren — Sun, 08 Mar 2009 09:09:27 +0000

If Fox cancels another Whedon series after the first season I am done with them. I like House and Bones (a lot, actually) but not enough to keep watching if they jerk us Whedon fans round again.

By: C

Thu, 05 Mar 2009 09:15:32 +0000

I like Terminator!! I watch it every week, haven’t missed an episode. Sure, lately it hasn’t been full of action like everyone would expect but every show goes through the same thing. Look at Lost and Heroes. Dollhouse, I’m getting into it but if it is canceled I wouldn’t miss it. I would miss Terminator terribly and I’m sure I’m not the only one! I also watch Lie to Me and Fringe and I really like both shows!

By: Y

Sun, 01 Mar 2009 22:34:16 +0000

melbye says:
The sad thing about TSCC is that it had a great season 1 and season-premiere but since then it just fell apart with boring storylines(Riley, bleh). As for Dollhouse if that hasn’t been a Whedon-show i would never have watched it. Still better than Fringe though.

Fringe is being mentioned in the news media as being a hit for Fox! Secondly, I’m saying this as a Whedon fan, but recent episodes of Fringe are much more interesting than Dollhouse at this point! Even Whedon probably agrees that Dollhouse isn’t his best work!

By: MrDoubnleB

MrDoubnleB — Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:16:36 +0000

While it’s clear Terminator wasn’t doing terribly well to begin with and lost 1/3 of its 18-49 audience moving to Friday (as expected), cancelling it now would be a mistake.

The next Terminator movie, the first of a second trilogy, is coming this summer with a huge budget, promising buzz and a gerat actor who is developing a habit of resurrecting dead franchises. I’d be surprised if Terminator 4 wasn’t a big hit.

I think Fox should wait, order a third season for the fall with 9 episodes and see if the series can get a free boost from the hit summer movie.

By: pete

pete — Sat, 28 Feb 2009 14:23:47 +0000

I still have a glimmer of hope, Fox needs something on Fridays, and if Terminater stays cheap enouth with Dollhouse picking up viewers I don’t see the harm in trying both for another 13 weeks. The rest of Fox’s schedule will be in great shape.
SUn will stay animated:Simpsons/American Dad/Family Guy/Cleve
Mon: House/New drama
Tue: Lie to Me/Fringe
Wed:5th Grader/til Death/New Drama
Thur:Bones/New Drama
Fri:Term./Dollhouse
Sat: Cops/Americas Most Wanted

By: Mumbo

Mumbo — Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:27:48 +0000

I agree that while Terminator is most definitely gone (did they even intend to make a third season?) Dollhouse could go either way. Fox has promoted it hard, and for Fridays it could be doing worse I guess.

If Dollhouse does go, you know the Whedon fanatics will unleash their hatred on Fox again. Honestly though Dollhouse is definitely not Whedon’s best work…at all. In fact I think it’s pretty bad and would be perfectly fine with it getting canned.

By: Dan

Dan — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:30:40 +0000

Terminator and Dollhouse will both be gone by April. They are merely finishing out their runs of 22 and 13 episodes respectively. Prison Break & King of the Hill will also have there series finales by May. Freshman dramas Fringe & Lie To Me will be renewed. Everyone will just have to put up with Terminator & Dollhouse on fridays for the next 6 weeks.

By: Chad

Chad — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 04:46:04 +0000

I literally struggled to stay awake with last week’s episode of Terminator. Oh, I watched it on Hulu on Saturday, so I almost fell asleep on a rigid computer chair. I can’t believe a show that carries the name Terminator can be such a bore. The episode on the 27th looks like another snooze-fest.

Dollhouse has action in it, but I’m just not liking the premise. I’m betting it’s gone too. The last decent sci-fi show on the networks was canceled too early (Firefly).

By: Dan

Dan — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 02:25:40 +0000

Tom, I think that they would leave Sit Down on maybe 7:30 sundays and burn the rest of Til Death off at 7 too. I highly doubt Dollhouse will be renewed, though since Prison Break is gone FOX has a number of options (House, Bones, Fringe, Lie to Me) for Monday/Tuesday/Wedneday/Thursdays. Plus possibly new comedies and dramas. With the exception of sundays (The Simpsons/American Dad/Family Guy/Cleveland Show) FOX’s schedule for next season is very hard to predict, but I do know those 4 returning dramas will be on it.

By: ruudisss

ruudisss — Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:09:14 +0000

So, now we know that Simpsons will live for at least two more years! Cool!

By: Tom

Tom — Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:50:22 +0000

I would guess, for Fall:
Sundays: Simpsons/Dad/Guy/Cleveland
Monday: Dollhouse (if renewed) or New Drama/Fringe
Tuesday: House/New Drama
Wed: Death/Sit Down/Lie
Thu: Bones/Kitchen
Fri/Sat: Irrelevant reality nonsense.

(If Sit Down is help until 09/10, it will only be a Fall show – the lag on animation production is such that, even if renewed by October, they won’t have additional episodes made by February. Look for this to be paired with Death and keep an Idol slot warm in Fall.)

By: Dan

Dan — Thu, 26 Feb 2009 13:46:06 +0000

Despite whether or not Lie to Me holds up, its doing well enough that it will be back. FOX needs any drama it can get. Since Bones only 1 freshman drama has been renewed for another season (Terminator last year) and that turned out bad. Heres my guess at renewals/cancellations

Renewed: 24, House, Bones, Fringe, Lie to Me, The Simpsons, Family Guy, American Dad, Til Death, American Idol

Cancelled: Do Not Disturb, Prison Break, King of the Hill, Hole in the Wall, Terminator, Dollhouse

Fifth Grader & Lyrics are a toss up, its possible they could be kept maybe for the summer, but there ratings arent that bad to axe them altogether. Sit Down, Shut Up, will likely be kept for the 2009-2010 season and aired in the 7:30 slot, with the Cleveland Show airing at 8:30 or 9:30. But I doubt Sit, Down will live past next year.
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By: johnthemon

johnthemon — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:22:51 +0000

I would put dollhouse on the low point of the bubble, trying to climb up slippery slope of the bubble away from cancellation. I don’t think Fridays get that much leeway.

Wow, Sarah Connor is doing way worse on Fridays…even worse than I expected. Oh well.

Nothing on Fox that I watch is in danger of cancellation, so I can look at this objectively.

I still can’t believe Sony offered Til’ Death cheaper than dirt. They should just come up with a new show to pawn off on Fox.

By: melbye

melbye — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:19:50 +0000

The sad thing about TSCC is that it had a great season 1 and season-premiere but since then it just fell apart with boring storylines(Riley, bleh). As for Dollhouse if that hasn’t been a Whedon-show i would never have watched it. Still better than Fringe though.