Comments on: Dollhouse Foreclosure Likely http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221 Nielsen TV Show Ratings, Data and More Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:03:04 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Brent http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-74748 Brent Tue, 21 Apr 2009 01:29:32 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-74748 Come on! They can't cancel TSCC without John getting some Metal love. Come on! They can’t cancel TSCC without John getting some Metal love.

]]> By: Robert Seidman http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-72712 Robert Seidman Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:48:35 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-72712 Jay is huffing on the Hulu crackpipe. Here's the problem with that: TSCC doesn't get even 250,000 additional viewers with Hulu/FOX.com, and FOX makes MUCH LESS money on the online eyeballs than the TV eyeballs. FOX definitely sees those numbers and knows what they are, and if a couple million were watching TSCC that way, it would probably make a big difference. But at less than 250K/episode, there's not a chance of it making any difference to the renewal decision. It's not fair to think FOX doesn't factor those numbers, which it definitely sees even if we don't, into its thinking. TSCC's popularity in terms of Torrent downloads is meaningless to FOX renewing it. While there are those who ascribe to the theory that Torrent downloads indicate DVD popularity (I don't have any opinion on that), since Warner Brothers already knows how the season one DVD performed, its DVD sales (which apparently were not great -- not awful, but not great enough for Warner Bros to give the show away to FOX) are probably a better indicator of future DVD sales for WB than torrent downloads. Jay is huffing on the Hulu crackpipe. Here’s the problem with that: TSCC doesn’t get even 250,000 additional viewers with Hulu/FOX.com, and FOX makes MUCH LESS money on the online eyeballs than the TV eyeballs. FOX definitely sees those numbers and knows what they are, and if a couple million were watching TSCC that way, it would probably make a big difference. But at less than 250K/episode, there’s not a chance of it making any difference to the renewal decision. It’s not fair to think FOX doesn’t factor those numbers, which it definitely sees even if we don’t, into its thinking.

TSCC’s popularity in terms of Torrent downloads is meaningless to FOX renewing it. While there are those who ascribe to the theory that Torrent downloads indicate DVD popularity (I don’t have any opinion on that), since Warner Brothers already knows how the season one DVD performed, its DVD sales (which apparently were not great — not awful, but not great enough for Warner Bros to give the show away to FOX) are probably a better indicator of future DVD sales for WB than torrent downloads.

]]> By: Alex http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-72711 Alex Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:46:47 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-72711 Robert I still like the idea that Fox was throwing around of linking Remote Free to event television, I think that's probably the best way forward for the concept if they want to keep it. But even then it probably wouldn't be a big success or anything. Robert I still like the idea that Fox was throwing around of linking Remote Free to event television, I think that’s probably the best way forward for the concept if they want to keep it. But even then it probably wouldn’t be a big success or anything.

]]> By: Jay http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-72707 Jay Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:38:45 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-72707 The Sarah Connor Chronicles might be getting a raw deal because of its popularity on modern mediums like Torrent sites and Hulu, and not with traditional Nielsen audiences. The last two episodes were fantastic and while I feel the finale was a satisfying end to the series, I am left wanting more. The Sarah Connor Chronicles might be getting a raw deal because of its popularity on modern mediums like Torrent sites and Hulu, and not with traditional Nielsen audiences.

The last two episodes were fantastic and while I feel the finale was a satisfying end to the series, I am left wanting more.

]]> By: Robert Seidman http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-72093 Robert Seidman Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:51:38 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-72093 I'd be surprised if Remote Free stuck around, too. While I wish there was a way FOX could continue the experiment somehow, I suspect it won't make a comeback until the broader advertising sales market has made a comeback. I’d be surprised if Remote Free stuck around, too. While I wish there was a way FOX could continue the experiment somehow, I suspect it won’t make a comeback until the broader advertising sales market has made a comeback.

]]> By: Nick C http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-72087 Nick C Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:48:36 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-72087 er REMOTE FREE TV not replay, my brain is overworked. er REMOTE FREE TV not replay, my brain is overworked.

]]> By: Nick C http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-72086 Nick C Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:48:09 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-72086 Interesting, on Friday FOX Studios released the DVD info for DOLLHOUSE, and it says "The Complete First Season," vs. "The Complete Series." Now sure they could edit it by the time it goes into production, but the current artwork says it's Season One. The point is FOX is still considering it enough to release that with that heading. I hear now the future of DOLLHOUSE is tied to the future of REPLAY TV. Which is likely why Joss is doubtful of the return of the show. Interesting, on Friday FOX Studios released the DVD info for DOLLHOUSE, and it says “The Complete First Season,” vs. “The Complete Series.”

Now sure they could edit it by the time it goes into production, but the current artwork says it’s Season One. The point is FOX is still considering it enough to release that with that heading. I hear now the future of DOLLHOUSE is tied to the future of REPLAY TV. Which is likely why Joss is doubtful of the return of the show.

]]> By: Norzemen http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-71674 Norzemen Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:52:04 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-71674 Curious of all the shows I DVR and actually watch, TSCC and Dollhouse, they are the ones that look to be canceled. The other shows I DVR, 24, I watch, but it's ludicrous. And house I used to DVR but ended up deleting it before I watched it. The other shows I actually watched on TV are long gone. Firefly, Dresden Files and Deadwood. Not to worry though. I'm switching all my entertainment gear to get everything over the net. Ill watch what I want when I want and will purge reality TV from my life FOREVER. Curious of all the shows I DVR and actually watch, TSCC and Dollhouse, they are the ones that look to be canceled. The other shows I DVR, 24, I watch, but it’s ludicrous. And house I used to DVR but ended up deleting it before I watched it.

The other shows I actually watched on TV are long gone. Firefly, Dresden Files and Deadwood. Not to worry though. I’m switching all my entertainment gear to get everything over the net. Ill watch what I want when I want and will purge reality TV from my life FOREVER.

]]> By: Jono http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-71435 Jono Mon, 13 Apr 2009 11:36:35 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-71435 You've got Dollhouse showing 13 episodes, but I'm sure I remember reading that one of the 13 they ordered was the pilot reshoot and that they were only airing 12? Perhaps I misunderstood. Anyway, I love TSCC and I hope it has a miracle, but lets be honest... that was an awesome finale cos it was so out there, but I can't see them holding a show together on the plot line I see laid out for it. So perhaps cancellation will be a blessing in (really heavy) disguise. You’ve got Dollhouse showing 13 episodes, but I’m sure I remember reading that one of the 13 they ordered was the pilot reshoot and that they were only airing 12? Perhaps I misunderstood.

Anyway, I love TSCC and I hope it has a miracle, but lets be honest… that was an awesome finale cos it was so out there, but I can’t see them holding a show together on the plot line I see laid out for it. So perhaps cancellation will be a blessing in (really heavy) disguise.

]]> By: Johnny http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-71094 Johnny Sat, 11 Apr 2009 23:24:25 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-71094 The cancelation of dollhouse would be a big mistake. I know the show isn't for everyone but it does have a good story line and depth to it. Its exciting to see Eliza back on screen and Im still not over the cancelation of Tru Calling. Seems like people dont like Eliza or something cause so far she has had no luck in tv shows. As for terminator im 50/50 on that show, was great the first season but second season was getting very boring and I think some feel the same way. But i still love to watch it and will keep watching it till it ends. If you want to save certain shows maybe start a chain email with the viewing dates n times to everyone you know including grandparents to watch them and try to get the ratings up before the season ends. Maybe then that will bring enough viewers not to cancel that show. Just a thought The cancelation of dollhouse would be a big mistake. I know the show isn’t for everyone but it does have a good story line and depth to it. Its exciting to see Eliza back on screen and Im still not over the cancelation of Tru Calling. Seems like people dont like Eliza or something cause so far she has had no luck in tv shows.
As for terminator im 50/50 on that show, was great the first season but second season was getting very boring and I think some feel the same way. But i still love to watch it and will keep watching it till it ends.

If you want to save certain shows maybe start a chain email with the viewing dates n times to everyone you know including grandparents to watch them and try to get the ratings up before the season ends. Maybe then that will bring enough viewers not to cancel that show. Just a thought

]]> By: Douglas http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-70860 Douglas Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:05:35 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-70860 If fox decides to terminate the terminator series without at least one more season then I believe that the reputation of fox will be reuined. It will illustrate that fox cares less for its fans and more about a movie promotion. It would be very easy to increase the ratingd just durring the break put the episodes online and on the telivison to give new people a chance to catch up to the new season. Also this is the first show in a while that has an indepth story that has an exstensive amount of possiblities which has not been screwed up. If fox decides to terminate the terminator series without at least one more season then I believe that the reputation of fox will be reuined. It will illustrate that fox cares less for its fans and more about a movie promotion. It would be very easy to increase the ratingd just durring the break put the episodes online and on the telivison to give new people a chance to catch up to the new season.
Also this is the first show in a while that has an indepth story that has an exstensive amount of possiblities which has not been screwed up.

]]> By: sam http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-70762 sam Sat, 11 Apr 2009 04:55:42 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-70762 wheres Osbournes: Reloaded? wheres Osbournes: Reloaded?

]]> By: Meli http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-70743 Meli Sat, 11 Apr 2009 03:59:37 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-70743 And Fox is now standing behind Lie to Me, thinking it's a series that needs a slow build (which it does). I personally think it needs a better time slot--Like 9 PM on Wednesdays instead of 8. Doesn't it make more sense to put on the family-friendly show like American Idol at 8 and the more adult show on at 9? It worked for House, as I recall. And Fox is now standing behind Lie to Me, thinking it’s a series that needs a slow build (which it does). I personally think it needs a better time slot–Like 9 PM on Wednesdays instead of 8. Doesn’t it make more sense to put on the family-friendly show like American Idol at 8 and the more adult show on at 9? It worked for House, as I recall.

]]> By: Dan http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-70377 Dan Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:49:20 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-70377 Terminator series finale airs tonight Dollhouse series finale airs May 8 Prison Break series finale airs May 15 King of the Hill ends TBA Everything else is safe..... Terminator series finale airs tonight
Dollhouse series finale airs May 8
Prison Break series finale airs May 15
King of the Hill ends TBA

Everything else is safe…..

]]> By: Reggie News http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-70320 Reggie News Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:49:52 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-70320 I've been lurking here for awhile and enjoy the logical, rational assessments by some of the more informed contributors. My question is this - at a network, say FOX, what is the actual process for picking shows to live or die? 1 person makes the call, a big meeting in a boardroom, cutthroat hallway politics, extortion sex in the parking garage, feed the numbers into the old Atari Schedulemaster and whatever pops out is gospel? Can anyone comment on who or how will the decision on TSCC and Dollhouse actually get made? I’ve been lurking here for awhile and enjoy the logical, rational assessments by some of the more informed contributors. My question is this – at a network, say FOX, what is the actual process for picking shows to live or die? 1 person makes the call, a big meeting in a boardroom, cutthroat hallway politics, extortion sex in the parking garage, feed the numbers into the old Atari Schedulemaster and whatever pops out is gospel? Can anyone comment on who or how will the decision on TSCC and Dollhouse actually get made?

]]> By: eXecute99 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-70092 eXecute99 Thu, 09 Apr 2009 20:04:24 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-70092 Compared to TSCC, Fringe has the advantage of being led in by American Idol and a much larger ad campaign by Fox. Fringe is being treated like a king, I'm guessing because of the success of Lost and JJ Abrams recent successes. Compared to TSCC, Fringe has the advantage of being led in by American Idol and a much larger ad campaign by Fox. Fringe is being treated like a king, I’m guessing because of the success of Lost and JJ Abrams recent successes.

]]> By: john c http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-69808 john c Thu, 09 Apr 2009 13:30:17 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-69808 this is probably the end of the "Sarah Chronicles" but it could turn into the "John Connor" stories about the war in the future. movies cant have everything this is probably the end of the “Sarah Chronicles” but it could turn into the “John Connor” stories about the war in the future. movies cant have everything

]]> By: Riff Rafferty http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-69782 Riff Rafferty Thu, 09 Apr 2009 10:44:31 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-69782 Harold, you want to know what was missing? Sex. They were a bunch of heifers who were too fat and disgusting to get laid. Then along came a marginally-attractive Aussie who couldn't really act or carry a show, and OMG panty cream city. Religion is a good guess. If the religion is $cientology. Because they were more like a cult. They even had a Jim Jones type ring leader -- "Leeser." Since like most herds, they were unable to think for themselves, they needed to get verification from "Leeser" first to find out if the sky was blue or the grass was green. They were asking "Leeser" for confirmation on whether the "rumors" were true that "Moonlight" was cancelled... a WEEK after the upfronts. The saddest part? "Leeser" solicited donations from them to "save" the show. They sent "Leeser" lots of money. "Leeser" ran off with it, never to be heard from again. Did I say sad? I meant hilarious. Harold, you want to know what was missing? Sex. They were a bunch of heifers who were too fat and disgusting to get laid. Then along came a marginally-attractive Aussie who couldn’t really act or carry a show, and OMG panty cream city.

Religion is a good guess. If the religion is $cientology. Because they were more like a cult. They even had a Jim Jones type ring leader — “Leeser.” Since like most herds, they were unable to think for themselves, they needed to get verification from “Leeser” first to find out if the sky was blue or the grass was green. They were asking “Leeser” for confirmation on whether the “rumors” were true that “Moonlight” was cancelled… a WEEK after the upfronts. The saddest part? “Leeser” solicited donations from them to “save” the show. They sent “Leeser” lots of money. “Leeser” ran off with it, never to be heard from again.

Did I say sad? I meant hilarious.

]]> By: Josh http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-69711 Josh Thu, 09 Apr 2009 04:57:29 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-69711 come on Dollhouse, i just really hope Dollhouse comes back... come on Dollhouse, i just really hope Dollhouse comes back…

]]> By: Richard Steven Hack http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-69692 Richard Steven Hack Thu, 09 Apr 2009 04:09:23 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-69692 It has nothing to do with "bias". It has to do with ratings. How many times do Bill and Robert have to point that out to people? It has nothing to do with “bias”. It has to do with ratings.

How many times do Bill and Robert have to point that out to people?

]]> By: Dan http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-69689 Dan Thu, 09 Apr 2009 04:01:15 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-69689 "4/8 Update: Lots of comments about how April 10 is the TSCC season finale. People who live a reality based life understand it’s also the series finale." How incredibly rude. You just can't make the change without taking a jab at the show can you? No wonder this place is a sham. You can't even keep your bias to yourself. “4/8 Update: Lots of comments about how April 10 is the TSCC season finale. People who live a reality based life understand it’s also the series finale.”

How incredibly rude. You just can’t make the change without taking a jab at the show can you?

No wonder this place is a sham. You can’t even keep your bias to yourself.

]]> By: tvmegafan http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-69597 tvmegafan Thu, 09 Apr 2009 01:07:30 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-69597 I BELIEVE IN DOLLHOUSE, IF FOX IS SMART THEY'LL GIVE IT ANOTHER SEASON AND PUT IT ON A BETTER NIGHT I BELIEVE IN DOLLHOUSE, IF FOX IS SMART THEY’LL GIVE IT ANOTHER SEASON AND PUT IT ON A BETTER NIGHT

]]> By: Bill Gorman http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-69585 Bill Gorman Thu, 09 Apr 2009 00:41:57 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-69585 Dan, and others, I have added an update re: TSCC season/series finale. Dan, and others, I have added an update re: TSCC season/series finale.

]]> By: Dan http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-69582 Dan Thu, 09 Apr 2009 00:39:00 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-69582 "Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles’ series finale is April 10." Wrong, it's the SEASON finale. You need to change that. You are posting inaccurate information. “Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles’ series finale is April 10.”

Wrong, it’s the SEASON finale. You need to change that. You are posting inaccurate information.

]]> By: Richard Steven Hack http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-69532 Richard Steven Hack Wed, 08 Apr 2009 22:47:41 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/07/dollhouse-foreclosure-likely/16221#comment-69532 Nice one, Bill. Uhm, Boris, exactly what content did that post of yours have? I THINK it was a slam at fan-fic, but I'm not sure since it was too arty to parse. I haven't read almost any TSCC fan-fic (other than the porn ones, of course!) but I suspect some of it is better than most of the scripts the writers turned in. Nice one, Bill.

Uhm, Boris, exactly what content did that post of yours have? I THINK it was a slam at fan-fic, but I’m not sure since it was too arty to parse.

I haven’t read almost any TSCC fan-fic (other than the porn ones, of course!) but I suspect some of it is better than most of the scripts the writers turned in.

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