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| Rating/Share: Adults 18-49 | 3.3/10 | 3.3/10 | 2.9/8 | 1.7/5 | 1.4/4 | 0.8/2 |
| Rating/Share: Adults 18-34 | 3.3/11 | 2.0/6 | 2.3/7 | 2.0/6 | 1.1/4 | 0.8/2 |
| Total Viewers (million) | 8.02 | 12.72 | 8.23 | 4.17 | 4.74 | 2.05 |
The Southland premiere drew a 3.2 rating with adults 18-49 and 9.72 million viewers, Parks and Recreation premiered to a 3.0 rating with adults 18-49 and 6.77 million viewers while the Harper’s Island premiere pulled a 2.7 rating with adults 18-49 and 10.49 million viewers.
[now updated with data tables below].
NBC went from worst on Wednesday night to first on Thursday night (at least in terms of the demos, which, are more important than the total viewers), so that at least has to be considered a success for NBC. Sure, ABC ran repeats from 9p-11p, but Southland increased from half hour to half hour, which is usually a good sign. Harper’s Island decreased from the first half hour to the second, which usually isn’t a good sign.
CSI didn’t have one of its better nights, even though Grey’s Anatomy was a rerun. But at least an aging Survivor is still going strong. Meanwhile, Samantha Who? probably now has removed all doubt (if there was any left) about it being lead-in and time slot dependent. It hardly did better than In the Motherhood.
Next week Two weeks from now should tell more of the tale for Southland and Harper’s Island since Private Practice won’t be a repeat at 10p.
For reference you can check out past Thursday night fast affiliate ratings reports here.
Full details:
| Time | Net | Show | 18-49 Rating/Share | 18-34 Rating/Share | Viewers (Millons) |
| 8:00 | CBS | Survivor: Tocantins | 3.5/11 | 2.1/7 | 11.32 |
| NBC | The Office | 3.3/11 | 3.5/13 | 7.20 | |
| FOX | Bones | 2.5/8 | 1.8/6 | 8.88 | |
| UNI | Cuidado con el Ángel | 1.7/5 | 2.0/7 | 4.19 | |
| ABC | In the Motherhood | 1.3/4 | 1.1/4 | 4.57 | |
| CW | Smallville (Repeat) | 0.7/2 | 0.8/3 | 2.03 | |
| 8:30 | NBC | Parks and Recreation (premiere) | 3.0/9 | 3.2/11 | 6.77 |
| ABC | Samantha Who? | 1.4/4 | 1.2/4 | 4.87 | |
| 9:00 | NBC | The Office | 3.9/11 | 4.3/14 | 7.94 |
| CBS | CSI | 3.7/10 | 2.2/7 | 16.36 | |
| FOX | Hell’s Kitchen | 3.3/9 | 2.7/8 | 7.59 | |
| UNI | Mañana Es Para Siempre | 2.1/6 | 2.3/7 | 4.75 | |
| ABC | Grey’s Anatomy (R) | 1.4/4 | 1.2/4 | 5.15 | |
| CW | Supernatural (R) | 0.8/2 | 0.8/2 | 2.06 | |
| 9:30 | NBC | 30 Rock | 3.1/9 | 3.2/10 | 6.75 |
| 10:00 | NBC | Southland (premiere) | 3.2/9 | 2.6/9 | 9.72 |
| CBS | Harper’s Island (premiere) | 2.7/8 | 1.6/5 | 10.49 | |
| UNI | Rosa de Guadalupe | 1.5/4 | 1.7/5 | 3.56 | |
| ABC | Private Practice (R) | 1.3/4 | 1.0/3 | 4.34 | |
| Half hour data for Southland | |||||
| 10:00 | NBC | Southland (premiere) | 3.1/9 | 2.6/8 | 9.45 |
| 10:30 | NBC | Southland (premiere) | 3.3/10 | 2.6/9 | 9.99 |
| Half hour data for Harper’s Island | |||||
| 10:00 | CBS | Harper’s Island (premiere) | 2.8/8 | 1.6/5 | 11.09 |
| 10:30 | CBS | Harper’s Island (premiere) | 2.5/8 | 1.6/5 | 9.89 |
Shows are sorted from highest 18-49 rating to lowest in each time slot.
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Definitions:
Fast Affiliate Ratings: These first national ratings, including demographics, are available at approximately 11 AM (ET) the day after telecast, and are released to subscribing customers daily. These data, from the National People Meter sample, are strictly time-period information, based on the normal broadcast network feed, and include all programming on the affiliated stations, sometimes including network programming, sometimes not. The figures may include stations that did not air the entire network feed, as well as local news breaks or cutaways for local coverage or other programming. Fast Affiliate ratings are not as useful for live programs and are likely to differ significantly from the final results, because the data reflect normal broadcast feed patterns. For example, with a World Series game, Fast Affiliate Ratings would include whatever aired from 8-11PM on affiliates in the Pacific Time Zone, following the live football game, but not game coverage that begins at 5PM PT. The same would be true of Presidential debates as well as live award shows and breaking news reports.
Rating: Estimated percentage of the universe of TV households (or other specified group) tuned to a program in the average minute. Ratings are expressed as a percent.
Share (of Audience): The percent of households (or persons) using television who are tuned to a specific program, station or network in a specific area at a specific time. (See also, Rating, which represents tuning or viewing as a percent of the entire population being measured.)
Time Shifted Viewing – Program ratings for national sources are produced in three streams of data – Live, Live+Same Day (Live+SD) and Live+7 Day. Time shifted figures account for incremental viewing that takes place with DVRs which are currently in approximately 24.4% of all U.S. TV households. Live+Same Day (Live+SD) include viewing during the same broadcast day as the original telecast, with a cut-off of 3:00AM local time when meters transmit daily viewing to Nielsen for processing. Live+7 Day ratings include incremental viewing that takes place during the 7 days following a telecast.
For more information see Numbers 101 and Numbers 102.
i was pretty spot on with my predictions
not bad for Southland considering that the premiere was available onDemand and online for about a week.
well i said anything below a three would be a failure for HI.
Nice increase for Southland. Could this mean it may actually have a shot of increasing next week?
That’s about what I thought.
Well, I guess that’s one less slot for Chuck. (Sorry, but somebody had to say it.)
Pretty expected numbers.
the thing is this fall, they were planning to put Kings where Southland is. I can’t help but think Kings would have done a lot better in that slot.
Good premiere from southland. i don’t expected so many viewers.
by better I mean better than it did on Sundays, not better than Southland did.
Good for Southland, should be interesting to see if it’s able to increase its viewers next week… I think it can.
Harper’s Island is a mini series anyway buti was hoping it would succeed so we could have more similar formatted limited series (NBC is already big on Day 1)
i havent seen Harper’s yet so wont comment on quality but i hated Southland and Parks was very so so good lead performance but that was about it
southland was really good..especially the last half..very compelling TV
with a fresh episode next week, expect big increases especially thos interested in Harpers were ultimately turned off
I’m not surprised by HI. I watched a few mins of it during commerical breaks of Southland (which was awesome – great character development) and it was cheezy.
Southland will fall harder than XFL did next week.
I liked all three new shows…however I think I would choose Harper’s Island over Southland (but with a PVR you don’t have to choose
And this coming from a hater of all things CBS…
And I loved Parks & Recreation!
Heather, I wouldn’t speak too soon. This will be the highest numbers that Southland ever receives, I predict a sharp nosedive next week.
If that doesn’t happen, THEN you can start saying Southland will be taking a spot that could go to Chuck next season. Not before then though.
Southland was great so im happy too see it had pretty good ratings
why does everyone think southland will fall next week?
with gains like that over the half hour….wouldnt u think twice
NBC: #1 in the demo, #3 in viewers. I called it.
Great start for SouthLAnd and they deserved it b/c this is NBC’s first long-term drama in a while. What I mean by long-term is the fact that it’ll be around at least 5 seasons or more. It helps not going against other CBS procedurals. I saw SouthLAnd twice one online and the other On Demand so this was a pretty solid for the start. Should be able to hang around 8-9 million viewers every week.
Bad start for P&R as I thought it would start higher than that in viewers. The show was awful but I like the three leading ladies Amy, Rashida, and that other chick.
Harper’s Island got an old skewing start but CSI: will give it a cushin through May but after that it looks dead. The show itself didn’t pickup until the last five minutes and looks really good last week but most of the episode was awful.
Poor Sam who. this must mean its a goner. too bad 2 as its getting better with each ep. Southland did ok. nothing special though considering all the promotion,
are you sure bones numbers are correct, they seem very low, especialy since the early report said bones was ‘hot on the heals of survivor’?
In the other post, I guessed 10 mill/3.2 for Southland, 12.5/2.7 for Harper’s. Pretty close, except for total Harper’s audience. And definitely lucky guesses!
Chief, I hope you’re right!
i think southland will survive this season, im not so sure about P e R.
Great start for Southland. Parks and Recreation is just another example in how the casual audience wants their multi-cams back on Thursday Nights.
Data tables for the rest of the night added…
I really liked P&R. Not to be all retentionista, but it did retain a good chunk of the viewers from The Office, right?
Jack S
regarind SW? despite the ratings the cast seems pretty confident about a season 3 and talk about it like its a done deal and considering the other ABC comedies are doing much better (and are still falling) + Samantha Who? already has 5 episodes filmed for next season im quite confident it will be back
Max, I wasn’t aware at the time of my post that Southland had actually grown from 10 to 10:30. Color me surprised.
NBC has to be pretty pleased with those numbers for Southland. Probably about as good as they could have realistically expected it to be.
Heather…your worry levels should be a little higher than I told you. Sorry!
Sammy, I am sure about the Bones numbers.
I watched both premiers of P&R and Southland last night. I enjoyed the first 10 minutes of P&R, but then it kind of went downhill from there and then picked up by the end. So I’m probably going to check it out next week. Southland was ok, nothing amazing but nothing horrible either.
So I’m happy with both those numbers the two received.
robert, ok thanks, im officialy dissapointed with those numbers then lol.
I was genuinely amazed by how good the Southland pilot was. I really liked it and I’m glad it had some moderate ratings success but I suspect the real test is how its going to hold up against Private Practice when that’s back to airing original episodes. I’m hoping it does well and its interesting to see that in the demo at least it increased as much as (the horrifically bad) Harpers Island dropped from half hour to half hour.
Also holy crap – an NBC premiere beat a CBS one!
On the subject of Harpers Island it’s a good concept – a closed ended thirteen episode murder mystery but the execution was terrible. I am however slightly hopeful that it holds up relatively well because it is a concept I’d like to see the US nets utilise more but unfortunately things don’t look good.
Parks I think NBC can chalk up as a win at this point as well. Pretty much identical numbers to 30 Rock with a weaker Office lead-in although if memory serves its lower than the numbers Kath & Kim debuted with, in the 18-49 at least. That’s good though and whilst its not perfect I like it more than I like the average episode of The Office. Speaking of The Office it won the night in both demos at 9. I think NBC have got to be pretty happy with how the past two Thursdays have gone for them.
One final note – what’s going on with CSI? It got the exact same 18-49 this week as it did against the ER finale last week and the 18-34 is down vs. last weeks ER finale. Am I ‘miss-remembering’ or doesn’t CSI usually top 4 in the 18-49?
Hmm, only NBC comedies got 3.0+’s in 18-34. Though I’m surprised that nothing pulled a 4.0 in 18-49. What were people doing instead?
Chief, way to get my hopes up and crush them again, lol. (Well, not really. I’ve been in a perpetual state of worry for like, 8 weeks now. I’m getting used to it.) :p
Wow, NBC in the first spot. Didn’t expect this. Southland did a lot better than I though. Harper’s did a little less than I expected.
With the half hour break down, I’d say southland will get the same numbers next week. Harper will probably go down a little.
Ha ha, supernatural repeats did better than Smallville repeats.
Yea another cop drama.
oh btw can someone tell me whether the blonde guy in the pic is the guy from the O.C, it looks like him to me?
for Chuck fans this isnt good just pray that that southland will do bad cause it is the show that might replace chuck and chuck is beast
Wow, In the Motherhood is a sure goner. But maybe Sam Who will get a chance. They both should because they’re easy and cheap to produce and ABC isn’t exactly a ‘’successful” network, they can’t afford to lose any shows.
Sammy01, yes it’s Ben McKenzie from The OC.
I pegged Harper’s Island exactly, but was too high with NBC predictions. But the night was noticably down across the board.
CSI? Survivor? No rebound from last weeks lows? Bones at Lie To Me levels? The Office down 15% from it’s last new episode?
Maybe it just took a month for Daylight Savings to finally reach its full effect.
Considering that everything is relative, i’d say that NBC has it’s two most promising shows on it’s hands in two seasons.
I think the rally cry from us chuck fans will now be turned up a notch now with this news of the ratings for southland.
Chief thanks, guess i could have looked it up but you saved me the time lol
Robert > Next week Private Practice will be a repeat…
Real test for Southland 4/23 when GA and PP are back with new episodes. P&R will take a hit next week with only MNIE as a lead in.
SouthLAnd did very well for NBC and hopefully the numbers will hold and be back next season as this is the type of show that NBC needs right now. Harper’s Island did okay but while I think it will play out its run, I not sure it will remain on Thursdays.
Parks and Recreation did okay but I have a feeling it will back next season.
too early to tell.. i hope for the fans of Southland that it would do better next week or not drop audience, because 9.72 isn’t a a stable audience pitting up with repeats.. but none the less it’s far more than I expected.
I’m a Chuck fan, and no I don’t wish Southland to fail.. I hope that this wouldn’t affect Chuck’s chances.
good numbers for parks and recreation altho im expecting a huge drop next week as the show was horrible, i dvr’ed and turned it off after 10 mins
30 rock as always was excellent and nice to see that reflected in the numbers
You know, the longer I lurk around here, the more it seems that 90% of the posts can be pigeonholed into three different catagories:
1. “Look how badly show X that I hate did—Hahahahaha—that show sucks, people who like that show suck, and I am a genius.”
2. “My favorite show is getting bad ratings—-I hate the world; I hate all of you; I will never watch network X again, and I am a genius.”
3. “Look how accurate my prediction was (note: prediction may or may not have really been accurate, and was likely preceded by nine inaccurate predictions, and will likely be followed by nine more inaccurate predictions), and I am a genius.”
There is also a fourth subset that does not even remotely seem to understand this site is about television ratings, and those people use the comments section as if this were a fan site for their favorite show, dissecting plot lines and commenting on each week’s episode as if anyone were actually listening, but those people appear to be random and seem mainly to be having converstations with themselves.
Otherwise, Bob and Bill, I really enjoy the site. It’s very accessible and well organized. Kudos to you dudes.
Oh, and I am a genius.
“for Chuck fans this isnt good just pray that that southland will do bad cause it is the show that might replace chuck and chuck is beast”
Jeez, Chuck fans are pathetic. Southland was ACTUALLY good!
I can’t call that a success for Southland, all the advertising they did and they got roughly 10 million and a 3.3 (I am not a believer in the Nielsen ratings but since its all we got I will say 10 million). It had absolutely had no competition, it was not going against any fox show, and it was going against another pilot show and a repeat of a show that is not doing that well and all they got was 3.3? It will go down next week, it always does after a pilot.
I haven’t watched Southland yet. I’m hoping it’s more like The Shield and less like your average network cop show.
I’m really rooting for Harpers Island. I think it’s a great concept and, well, it’s different than the usual on network TV. I’m thinking though it will drop slightly over the next 5 weeks and fall off the map after the weeks following the CSI finale.
Do you guys think that a sub 3.5 premiere for any scripted show is really that good?
“can’t call that a success for Southland, all the advertising they did and they got roughly 10 million and a 3.3 (I am not a believer in the Nielsen ratings but since its all we got I will say 10 million).”
Uh, I’d say for a show that had it’s Pilot online for just about two weeks before the premiere and it still got 10 mill is pretty damn good.
“I’m not surprised by HI. I watched a few mins of it during commerical breaks of Southland (which was awesome – great character development) and it was cheezy”
You can’t watch bits of Harpers Island and decide if you like it or not. If you don’t start from the first minute, none of it will make since. Of course it seemed cheezy to you, you most likely missed all the good parts.
I wonder what will happen at 10pm once Private Practice has new episodes.
Schmoker, you mean 90% of the comments, not 90% of the posts!
I generally agree with your classifications and though it is frustrating I have surrendered to the fact that the first two types you list, and the last are likely inevitable and can’t be stopped.
I don’t really agree about the predicting/collar-popping — we generally don’t see much of that and to the degree you’re seeing it today, that is probably our fault since i just yesterday had a post specifically for the purposes of readers posting their predictions. If you look through the comments you will see that there were several who were not geniuses.
I’m somewhat surprised at how much HI skewed older. I can understand why WAT, for example, skews older. But I didn’t expect it from HI.
SOUTHLAND performed extremely well. This is NBC. A 3.2 at NBC is gold for them right now. It’s sad it won’t last. Next week it should be ok. However in two weeks it’s up against the full Thursday Night line up. At that point it will likely be in the under 2.5 range. Which still makes it a moderate success… for NBC.
PARKS & RECREATION on the other hand lost a large amount of OFFICE viewers but picked up a large amount of new viewers (specifically in the 18-34 crowd). I don’t see the show pulling a 3.0 next week. I think it might be lucky to pull a 2.7 next week. IMHO I think that show will drop down to near MNIE numbers.
RJ I have seen the whole pilot and would say that describing Harper’s Island as cheesy is pretty accurate. I don’t however think cheesy in and of itself a negative – if it were being played more for laughs or with some sense of knowing then I think it would work much better the problem is that I think I was supposed to be taking it seriously. And that I couldn’t do.
Having said that I’m not sure I’m really the intended market for Harper’s Island – for starters I think I’m the wrong sex (and not to mention in the wrong country). Like I said though I like the general concept of the show just not the execution and unless those numbers improve I can’t see CBS (or anyone else) giving a concept like this a serious try again anytime soon. And that’s a shame,
I will however say that I think the big story of last nights numbers isn’t solid(ish) debuts for Southland and Parks but CSI.
Andrea, for NBC, yes it is. Also we’re entering a day where 3.0s are good premiers based on time slot and network. Which is sad. It’s not because TV is dying, but because the networks are losing their audience because they honestly can’t appeal to them.
Cheif why do you think Southland will fall next week, when most people on the forum seem to think it was good? I personally don’t think it will fall very far from last night, only to like a 3.0 in the demo and like bottum/ middle 9millions. Personally the only shows to fall next week seem to be P&R and Harper’s Island.
WOW. Harper’s Island did terrible.
Uh, I’d say for a show that had it’s Pilot online for just about two weeks before the premiere and it still got 10 mill is pretty damn good
I dont think watching online has much effect on the ratings because these ratings are from Nielsen who have roughly 10,000 to 20,000 boxes depending who you talk to, but I will say 20,000. Heroes is their highest online viewer and for 2 weeks they average 3 million online viewers. Let’s say 3 million watched online, how many of those 3 million do you think have a Nielsen box? Odds are pretty slim.
Well my predictions were bad. I’ll attribute my bad P&R prediction to the office doing worse than usual. Hasn’t new episodes been getting in the 4.x range recently? I’m convinced NBC didn’t do a good enough job making sure people knew the 8 o’clock office was new.
My bad SouthLAnd prediction: I just didn’t think NBC had the promotional power to launch a new show that high, even though it was still only a moderate success. I expect it to go down in the coming weeks.
Harpers Island: I was close.
Shmoker, totaly agree with you… And I’ll had
5. Those guys talk to themselves AND don’t hear a freanking word of people telling them to stop talking about there episode of the week…
Steve, I’d see southland IS a success, considering how bad every new NBC shows did this season. Also looking at how bad pretty much every NBC show is doing right now… I’d say this is good numbers. And they must be happy. Finishing first after what… 4-5 months in a row finishing last of the big four (I think we can’t even talk about 4 anymore… Maybe the “big 2″
CSI’s demo numbers are down even though Grey’s is in repeats, I do think they will evenly matched in viewers when it returns to originals. While I don’t think the show is in any danger, I do wonder whether it will wound down now that CBS has a hit in The Mentalist and if Laurence Fishburne doesn’t renew his contract at the end of next season. I still like the show but it is no longer the big hitter it once was.
Yay! Glad Southland did well.
To those saying Southland and Parks didn’t have all that great numbers: that’s kinda true. The numbers were low, and i was certainly expecting higher. However NBC was a competitive 2nd in the 8pm hour, was first at 9, and then Southland won 10pm.
Even Parks got really good share. So *perhaps* (although it is by no means a guarrantee) these numbers could go up if any viewers come back to Thursdays. Seriously, where did the 18-49s go last night?
SouthLAnd is the one show that really has a chance to grow week to week very easily. Its going to stay around 8-9 million viewers by it being a procedural.
I would suggest NBC to start building around SouthLAnd from here on out.
Fin, my prediction of Southland dropping next week was based off my faulty assumption that viewers had tuned out along the hour. Since that was off, I’m not going to venture any sort of “official” prediction by me.
However, it WILL be going against a new Private Practice next week and I’m not aware of a single NBC premiere this season that had a larger audience in its second week than in its premiere.
A story that’s developing that is flying under the radar right now is the degradation of CSI’s ratings lately. It’s down to 24-like demo numbers. Not bad by any means, but this show was the most-watched scripted show on TV not that long ago. I’m a little stunned this week especially by the numbers it received.
As of now, Southland is a success, but let’s keep in mind that this is a pilot, and we shouldn’t speak too soon, as it might take a sharp dive next week. I didn’t really like Southland, and Parks and Recreation could use some serious improvement. I’m expecting drops in both next week. Harper’s Island was mediocre, but since it’s a show with a definite conclusion, I’m sure that will entice people to go to it because it isn’t a long term commitment like some other shows. And since it’s CBS, and everything does relatively decent on CBS, I’m expecting some constant numbers around 8 or 9 million until the end of the series. I don’t really know though, because these things are pretty unpredictable a good portion of the time and I’m wrong about half of the time.
Samuel, I will agree for NBC this would be a success, but just considering you could not throw a rock without hitting a Southland ad and the competition it was going up against I personally thought it would do better on its premier. It will drop next week but how much will be interesting. I cant believe I am saying this but NBC did the right thing with a new show, it put it in a low competitive time slot with a lead in (at least in the demos)and is giving it a chance to keep viewers and possibly gain and didn’t put it against the giants without a lead in and see if it would sink or swim (unlike they did with a show that I will not name)
Nick C,
My Own Worst Enemy premiered only a bit lower, 3.0/7.27 mil, and was gone in 13 eps.
Private Practice returns in two weeks, not next week so SouthLAnd will have some exposure.
Oops, my mistake Cool. Thanks for the correction.
Chief I agree the CSI drop or lack of rebound from last weeks ER finale effected episode is eyebrow raising.
I wonder is CSI just suffering the Grissom effect? By that I mean has part of the audience just decided to follow Grissom out of the door?
Let’s see how Southland does without such heavy promotion. My guess it falls down to a 2.9 within 2 weeks and loses at least a million viewers.
Andrea My Own Worst Enemy also dropped (heavily from what I remember) after is pilot. Assuming Southland doesn’t follow the same path it’ll be fine.
Had Enemy stayed at a 3.0 or not too far below it would still be on the air now.
Alex: Assuming Southland doesn’t follow the same path it’ll be fine.
We’ll just have to play the waiting game.
I stopped watching CSI when Grissom left.. it’s not the same.
TBH CSI with Laurence Fishburne is actually working quite well although the episode before last left a lot to be desired but I agree that some people have stopped watching because of William Peterson/Gil Grissom I think it was the right time for him to leave because he was barely in some episodes in Season 8 and took a leave of absense during Season 7 although I think those episodes with Liev Schrieber were very good.
I do wonder what the future holds for the franchise because I think Caruso is unlikely to leave CSI: Miami, I think Gary Sinise could leave CSI:NY as he’s planning to return to Steppenwolf although I don’t think that will happen for a while.
“Even Parks got really good share. So *perhaps* (although it is by no means a guarrantee) these numbers could go up if any viewers come back to Thursdays. Seriously, where did the 18-49s go last night?”
Well, it was a Jewish holiday, but I doubt that would make such an impact in the ratings for 18-49s.
NBC really should develop more shows like SouthLAnd and they can get back on track here in this next decade but the stupidness at the top has to stop.
Just amazes me how CSI did not fall off after Grissom left. Looks like this show will be around longer than ER but with CBS in such debt right now, making all of these show cuts. I doubt it a little bit.
Fin, you can’t guarantee that most psople think it’s is good. Some, like me, could be thinking it is a piece of crap that makes The Unusuals look good, but holding their tongue because this is not the place for that kind of comment.
I can’t believe CBS limited Eleventh Hour to 18 episodes so they could replace it with Harper’s Isand. What a dud. I tried to watch it but only made it through the first half hour. I just didn’t like it at all. I wish I had watched Southland instead – it has to be better than Harper’s Island. I will definitely try Southland next week (and read up on it in the meantime).
Let’s just make a hypothetical assumption about Southland, just for argument sake. Let’s say that it grows next week, which based on last nights’ numbers is a very strong possibility. Furthermore, let’s assume that it becomes a bona fide hit and grows to a 4.5 to 5.0 by the end of the season.
While possible, I doubt that will happen, but I’d actually like that to happen just to see what NBC would do. Now that they’re committed to Leno at 10pm in the fall, they would be forced to move Southland to another night since The Office is pretty much anchored in at 9pm. You think they’d rethink their Leno strategy? My guess is no, they wouldn’t because they are stupid, and as a result they would risk killing a hit series. I’m sure NBC would only dream at the chance….LOL
JT: Let’s just make a hypothetical assumption about Southland, just for argument sake. Let’s say that it grows next week, which based on last nights’ numbers is a very strong possibility.
Based on what?
Andrea, increasing at the half hour is a good sign, and does imply that the audience liked it and the WOM will be good. An increase next week would not be even slightly surprising, except to the delusional Chuck fans who just want everything to fail.
I think JT is basing it on the growth in the 2nd half hour.
Could be. Also could be the those who didn’t care for HI tuned into SL at the half hour.
“I’m convinced NBC didn’t do a good enough job making sure people knew the 8 o’clock office was new.”
I think the public not realizing the 8p The Office was new had less to do with NBC failing to advertise it (the promoted P&R at *:30 “following a new The Office” a bunch) and more to do with there aren’t a lot of people watching NBC other days. NBC lost to CW Wednesday, for Pete’s sakes!
“Just amazes me how CSI did not fall off after Grissom left. Looks like this show will be around longer than ER but with CBS in such debt right now, making all of these show cuts. I doubt it a little bit.”
It just pulled a 3.7 two weeks in a row. That’s a drop. Not an ‘oh my God cancel it drop’ but a drop none the less.
And JT if Southland were to become a 4.0+ hit moving it wouldn’t be a huge issue. If they absolutely want to keep it at 10 they can move it to Sunday but in theory you slot it in somewhere at nine it gets a bigger number still.
i did not know manana es para siempre had better rating han cuidado con el angel….
CSI was gradully weined off Grissom it wasn’t a sudden thing so I understand it holding steady.
Cool,
How do you sell ABC with the numbers they delivered last night and most?
“Hmm, only NBC comedies got 3.0+’s in 18-34. Though I’m surprised that nothing pulled a 4.0 in 18-49. What were people doing instead?”
J, I’m not sure. Wednesday’s numbers were similar where at 8:00, Lie to Me had low demographic numbers in the 2.5 range, but it still was the top in its own timeslot. I’m thinking with the start of the baseball season, a lot of people are tuning to their local sports network to watch baseball every day? Not sure if that’s a reason… but at least with me personally, as a baseball fan, I am listening to the radio for baseball games when they’re on rather than watching TV since between the two options, I want to hear/watch a baseball game live since it’s easier to watch TV shows online for a missed episode.
HI was good, but it can still be bether… to bad its a mini… bye bye chuck….
Why are some of the posters here so disrespectful. It doesn’t make your argument any stronger when you insult other people. It’s only an indication of what type of person you are.
I really don’t know boomdizzle2 , but I found interesting that repeats of Supernatural beat Smallville for second week in a row.
Parks was terrible terrible terrible. A bad spoof of The Office. I DVRed last night and won’t be making it a season pass.
Its too bad NBC can’t give Leno Thursdays off in the Fall and keep this lineup together…anyone have a guess where SL might end up in the fall? Oh yeah, I had already caught SL on hulu, so i watched Harpers Island at 10…it was such a cool throwback concept i was hoping all the rumors weren’t true, but that show was a fuckin mess, terrible. P & R is just too close to the office, but its better than K & K, so at least now i have something to watch at 8:30.
I think that Samantha Who? is not to be blamed.
It’s been shelved and treated as a Z-list show, even though its ratings where good enough (and sometimes even great) and got some raves from critics.
If ABC is looking to blame someone, they should blame themselves, because the “lead-in dependent” excuses, are just plain stupid.
Posters here are about as divided on Parks as the critics were and for the same reason. ( I think I’ll try to watch it next week to give a more informed opinion. ) Poehler can probably carry a show for a while if the writing improves ( hearsay is the writing was mediocre.) She and her partner Tina Fye are very popular with big market 18-49 and will get gold standard promotion. I’m just glad GA and PP can’t just coast anymore. Maybe they’ll panic and jump the shark …
Southland was great. I hate to admit that Ben McKenzie is a great actor. I actually felt his anguish and pain and I am now able to respect the lives of the police officers even more.
Well, maybe the Southland cops will move in to save the intersect after (another) hostage situation at the Buy More? What would that garner ratings wise?
Crossover potential anyone?
Without Grissom or Taylor Swift, CSI is a deception.
With the possible Katherine Heigl departure, do you think Grey’s Anatomy can beat again CBS for its season final (during May Sweeps) ?
I loved Harper’s Island!
Hope it survives!
Alex: “And JT if Southland were to become a 4.0+ hit moving it wouldn’t be a huge issue. If they absolutely want to keep it at 10 they can move it to Sunday but in theory you slot it in somewhere at nine it gets a bigger number still.”
I disagree 100% that it wouldn’t be a huge issue. You think just like the idiot network executives. It is presumptous to assume that moving a show from 10 to 9 will automatically increase the audience, and your theory doesn’t consider the fact that competition at 9pm is usually much stiffer. If I were a network exec, any new show that could get a 4.0 in the demo would be left in place.
wow, NBC took #1, that’s surprising. Office didn’t do as well as usual
I bet ABC is jealous of NBC today. Southland’s numbers, while not spectacular, are much better than any of the garbage ABC has had on this fall.
I really enjoyed Southland. I hope NBC doesn’t pull it. I wish they’d keep Life around too.
Southland was ok. I hope they keep that and Chuck.
@JT
“I bet ABC is jealous of NBC today. Southland’s numbers, while not spectacular, are much better than any of the garbage ABC has had on this fall.”
Yes, JT, but NBC is also the network that launched Kings. That sort of balances things out. LOL
Harper’s: somebody already said it, more of a soap than a whodunnit; belongs on the CW.
P&R: true, too close to the office, but Poehler’s take on the character might draw a different demo. curious to see what it does with MNIE as a lead-in
SouthLAnd: although it’s not really innovative, it does push the envelope when it comes to what’s on on network tv at the moment. i think we’ll be hearing loads more of how it’s ‘the shield’ of network tv. it’s definitely going to give PP a run for it’s money
I find some of the comments here so sadly negative. I watched Harper’s Island and actually liked it. I had to give it a chance since one of my favorite actors–Jim Beaver–is in it. He plays Sheriff Mills.
Harpers island has my interested perked, the first death was incredibly lame, the first half hour didn’t do much to correct it but the second half of the show got better. I’ll definitely keep watching unless the plot becomes uninteresting. For me this is really one of the first shows im watching on cbs in a few years… If i watch TV at all, i typically leave abc on for Thursday nights.
Will also be interesting to see how ugly betty fares after its break. I can see it pulling in like numbers or really falling due to the time off air. Given how competitive 8pm has become on all the major networks and a new comedy to compete with.
HI: I’m surprised so many older people were interested in a show about 20-somethings. Or do they just watch CBS regardless of what’s on?
Harpers was OK its kinda cheesy though..didnt watch southland, Who needs another cop drama? Not me…
Does anyone happen to have broadcast finals info for NBC’s comedy block?
I can’t believe people STILL buy into that Survivor crap. Enough already! Let’s bring some creativity back to television. We need more shows like Lost. If everyone is out of work, why not have shows that you have to spend the rest of the week thinking about. I know it sure helped me the last couple months.
Cool, I agree with you. And look a the last new Supernatural episode. It had like -.1 in the 18-34, and the same in the 18.49
SN is really pulling solid numbers. I wonder if the CW will be able to bring soething that will pull numbers like this when SN is gonna finish after next year.
Smallville is probably not gonna be around much longer… I guess.
Harper’s was low. Shame. It was actually pretty decent. About as good as you can expect the pilot to be for a show that has to introduce 25 characters in one week. Look for the quality to improve drastically now that that’s out of the way.
I’d love to see higher numbers for Bones. I remember the numbers for Bones being fine before Fox started jerking it around and not airing it for like a month. I realize the numbers are probably still good, but I think they’re down a bit from norms.
Binda said:
“If everyone is out of work, why not have shows that you have to spend the rest of the week thinking about.”
Clearly you’ve never watched a season of Survivor. I spend all week strategizing in my head, much like the players do.
southland was awesome, i hope it suceeds in the ratings, it reminds me of an updated version of hill street blues, the acting and storylines are top rate, finally a cop show worth watching!!!
NBC wins its second Thursday in a row. Not bad for being labeled as the dying network.
it’s so weird a few years ago shows bring in under 10 million viewers would be considered failures and get cancelled. Now we call them hits with modest ratings
@me, the times, they are-a-changin’…
Nick C or Robert,
Would either of you postulate that perhaps the broadcast nets’ inability to deliver the same content – i.e., airing a show in the vein of the Sopranos unedited during primetime – is a large part of the reason viewers are defecting to cable?
bones are loosing a bit since last week
Harper`Island was a piece of crap – though I think the idea of a one season mystery is cool…this show was too much soap opera – it was like watching Falcon Crest or Knot’s Landing from yesteryear- there was no “Grit” like 24 or Lost…I hope the idea is a success…but I won’t be watching…
Loved CSI – another stand out episode and next weeks episode looks fun…it looks like CSI will “bodly go where no man has gone before”
I’m predicting that Southland will drop slightly this coming week, but the real test will come when Grey’s Anatomy and Private Practice are back with new episodes in two weeks. The premiere ratings for Southland were ok, but the fact that they really didn’t have any competition in the hour has to worry the higher ups about it’s future potential. Some may say that the ratings are good because it was available online and ondemand, but I don’t see that as a big factor as most “normal” TV viewers don’t watch a lot of TV on their PCs yet. Time will tell, but if Southland drops like a rock when Private Practice comes back it’s gone.
@R.G.
I felt the very same thing about HI. I’ll probably watch for another week or two to see if it can become more about the mystery rather than being another prime time soap. Like you, I think the concept of a limited run mystery is pretty intriguing.
Parks was a major letdown. The writing is not as good as “The Office”, the storylines are bland, and the male characters are all weak. I have to agree with a lot of the critics – there’s not one male character that stands out. NBC will have to seriously consider some casting changes in the summer if Parks is to have a chance. Look for them to add an attractive, likeable male lead character.
really i just started to watch when Grissom left the show
I don’t understand this: Samantha Who? is one of the better comedy shows, why are the ratings so bad?
The storylines are always creative, funny and sometimes serious. It’s not like 30 Rock (i love 30 Rock by the way) where everyone acts crazy.
ABC should put Samantha Who? to its original timeslot and day!!!
Parks and Recreation was just awful…I couldn’t stand it one bit, it was like a half-assed version of The Office and honestly I think a drunk toddler could have done a better job.
Just watched P&R. About the only positive thing I can say is that it’s not Kath & Kim. It will be interesting to see how it does after Earl next week.
128, the finals were all the same in the demo, except the first Office which was up a tick to 3.4.
“NBC will have to seriously consider some casting changes in the summer if Parks is to have a chance. Look for them to add an attractive, likeable male lead character.”
Hmm? They’ve got Paul Schneider, who is the spitting image of Ben Silverman. Are you suggesting that Ben isn’t attractive and likable? And male?
I hope Southland maintains in ratings!
This will be the 3rd good show in NBC that I’m watching, the other twos are Heroes and Friday Night Lights.
128 it might just be me but if I’m CBS then I want NCIS to lead into the NCIS spin-off, which means that either NCIS needs to move or The Mentalist needs to move next year. I think its easier to move The Mentalist because I don’t see where CBS has two-hours free next year for NCIS and its spin-off to go anywhere but Tuesday.
At the same time though I don’t know if I want to move The Mentalist to 10 next year although from what I remember it fared very well when it aired Sunday at 10 as a one-off so actually it might not be out of the question to put it at 10 on Thursday, Sunday or even Tuesday and see what happens. If it doesn’t work you can always shift it around again midseason.
For the record though this is part of the reason why I think the CBS up fronts are going to be much more interesting than people expect. There’s a lot of potentially big decisions for CBS to make next year in terms of what they pick up and where they’re going to put it more so than any of the other nets.
Parks and Recreation will dive down in the ratings quickly. Its like a bad version of the office…with Poheler hamming it up to the camera that makes more of a parody from SNL than an actual show. Nothing about paid city workers sluffing off is going to sit well with viewers in this economy.
Southland has already exploited just about every cliche in the first episode, I see it going down, like My Own Worst Enemy, except it will have double the lifespan 8 episodes.
Southland feels produced, staged, acted, and exploited. The promotions for these two shows has been huge…..only to create an exceptions gap. Which I obviously had.
Basically I am saying Parks and Southland will in now way get picked up for a new run.