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| Rating/Share: Adults 18-49 | 2.0/7 | 1.2/4 | 1.2/4 | 1.0/4 | 0.7/2 |
| Total Viewers (million) | 9.17 | 5.02 | 4.36 | 2.89 | 1.73 |
1:00p PDT: Now updated with show data table below…
10:15 AM PDT: I still haven’t seen the overnight report, but James Hibberd reports Dollhouse was seen by 2.8 million viewers and earned a 1.0 preliminary adults 18-49 rating. There was apparently some overrun from Prison Break which might impact Dollhouse’s numbers (possibly for the better) when it’s factored out. Prison Break drew 3 million and a .9 adults 18-49 rating. For now, it looks like “Gossi” in the comments called it right!
9:15 AM PDT: Nielsen has apparently not quite gotten all the way back on track and we hear the numbers will be out later today. I predict CBS wins the night, that Ghost Whisperer has the night’s best numbers and that Dollhouse finale gets the same 1.1 adults 18-49 rating it got last week.
You might see the data before it gets posted here, if so, please post links in the comments so others can see it too. I will update this post with Friday night’s info when I can.
You can compare with previous Friday overnight reports.
Full details:
| Time | Net | Show | 18-49 Rating/Share | Viewers (Millons) |
| 8:00 | CBS | Ghost Whisperer | 2.2/8 | 9.35 |
| ABC | Happy Feet (8p-10p) | 1.3/5 | 5.05 | |
| FOX | Prison Break | 0.9/4 | 3.03 | |
| NBC | Howie Do It (8p-9p) | 0.8/3 | 2.50 | |
| CW | Everybody Hates Chris | 0.7/3 | 1.83 | |
| 8:30 | CW | The Game | 0.9/3 | 2.05 |
| 9:00 | CBS | Flashpoint | 1.8/6 | 8.64 |
| NBC | Dateline | 1.3/5 | 4.68 | |
| FOX | Dollhouse | 1.0/4 | 2.75 | |
| CW | America’s Next Top Model (R) | 0.6/2 | 1.52 | |
| 10:00 | CBS | Numb3rs | 2.0/7 | 9.52 |
| NBC | Dateline | 1.7/6 | 5.91 | |
| ABC | 20/20 | 1.2/4 | 4.97 |
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Shows are sorted by 18-49 rating in each time slot.
Nielsen TV Ratings: ©2009 The Nielsen Company. All Rights Reserved. Source Marc Berman/Mediaweek.
Definitions:
Fast Affiliate Ratings: These first national ratings, including demographics, are available at approximately 11 AM (ET) the day after telecast, and are released to subscribing customers daily. These data, from the National People Meter sample, are strictly time-period information, based on the normal broadcast network feed, and include all programming on the affiliated stations, sometimes including network programming, sometimes not. The figures may include stations that did not air the entire network feed, as well as local news breaks or cutaways for local coverage or other programming. Fast Affiliate ratings are not as useful for live programs and are likely to differ significantly from the final results, because the data reflect normal broadcast feed patterns. For example, with a World Series game, Fast Affiliate Ratings would include whatever aired from 8-11PM on affiliates in the Pacific Time Zone, following the live football game, but not game coverage that begins at 5PM PT. The same would be true of Presidential debates as well as live award shows and breaking news reports.
Rating: Estimated percentage of the universe of TV households (or other specified group) tuned to a program in the average minute. Ratings are expressed as a percent.
Share (of Audience): The percent of households (or persons) using television who are tuned to a specific program, station or network in a specific area at a specific time. (See also, Rating, which represents tuning or viewing as a percent of the entire population being measured.)
Time Shifted Viewing – Program ratings for national sources are produced in three streams of data – Live, Live+Same Day (Live+SD) and Live+7 Day. Time shifted figures account for incremental viewing that takes place with DVRs which are currently in approximately 24.4% of all U.S. TV households. Live+Same Day (Live+SD) include viewing during the same broadcast day as the original telecast, with a cut-off of 3:00AM local time when meters transmit daily viewing to Nielsen for processing. Live+7 Day ratings include incremental viewing that takes place during the 7 days following a telecast.
For more information see Numbers 101.
Didn’t Dollhouse get 1.1 last week?
Hahahaha!
“You can compare with previous Friday overnight reports.” compare what?
I think that Dollhouse finale will have 1.3 or 1.4…
Julia, yes, fixed. Dario, you can compare your 1.3 or 1.4 prediction!
Im seeing 1.4/5 and 3.49 mil
What’s with all the delays?
Putting “Dollhouse” on Friday night was just plain stupid. You’d think after what happened to “Dark Angel” FOX would’ve learned that people go out on Friday nights to see sci-fi/action MOVIES (e.g., Wolverine, Star Trek, etc.), not SHOWS. Every other network knows that. Why are you so incredibly stupid, FOX?
I’m thinking 1.0/4 in 18-49. It won’t have scored well.
Remi, more info here:
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/05/07/nielsen-ratings-snafu-what-happened/18219
Though Nielsen did seem to get all caught up with Thursday numbers coming when they normally should’ve yesterday.
why did you post if you have no numbers?? this is just evil to dollhouse’s fan.
I posted to let people know the ratings were delayed.
Not so much, the post entitled “Say goodbye” was much more evil
Maz, maybe you and Lisa can go start a site called TheTruthisEvil.com
’say good bye’ is not evil.
its like: I jenny, say goodbye to your car.. i brought that to the garage, but it will be back in 2 days!
so the rating are delayed, we won’t see that until tomorow or what?
Did anyone think Everybody Hates Chris is definitely over now after the way it ended.
Is it for the same reason as reaper, less women watching?
Robert, considering that we’ve yet to see any series finale episode get an appreciable bump, save Battlestar Galactica, I doubt we’ll see another bump here. If anything, I expect the numbers to go down more. Yes, that’s because of Star Trek, which looks like it’s on the way to as big a weekend globally as Wolverine. What’s the difference? Star Trek would probably draw away more of Dollhouse’s target audience.
Wolverine’s a comic, Star Trek is SCI-FI, a lot of you are thinking I’m nuts for making that comparison. Wolverine had a leaked work print and a lot of bad buzz leading up to it’s release along with negative reviews (it’s getting 37% at Rottentomatoes.com). Star Trek has the opposite, great buzz and lots of positive reviews. The SCI-FI crowd’s more enthusiastic about it and I think they’ll skip Dollhouse to go see it. Wolverine’s also getting good takes so far for its second week. It’s officially summer movie season and you’ve got 2 big films out. Barring a miracle I don’t see how Dollhouse performs better.
I think it’s clear that the ratings are delayed because Dollhouse’s finale numbers were AWESOME but the Nielsen people wanted to double check them!
I predict 1.2 at best with a 3.2 mill. id be surprised if it was higher. I hope its lower lol
I think the thing I will miss most after Dollhouse is canceled is Joss’s Biggest Fan’s posts.
If the series finale is *worse* than last week; it deserves to crunched into a fine power and sprinkled over Robert’s Weetabix.
1.4/5 and 3.49 mil i posted earlier, those are the numbers i read on a different site.
@ Matt , why do you hope for lower ? , Why do you want any show to get cancelled
? , does anyone force you to watch ?
http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/05/dollhouse-finale-ratings.html#more
Uh, Rick, I think those are from an earlier Friday Ratings post. This Friday’s ratings haven’t been released yet.
Thanks for the link Ded. I’ll repeat it for Robert. THRFeed says preliminary data is 2.8 million, 1.0 18-49 rating, could be slightly higher because Prison Break is 3 million and 0.9 rating. At best he says 1.1 is the maximum.
So it MAY have equaled last week’s or gone down slightly.
I didnt check the date of the post, that may be the case, sorry….:}
HEY ROB! I predicted in the Goodbye To Dollhouse Thread (AND HERE!) that it would do equal to 1.2 or worse? Where’s my shout-out for being right man?!
The finale was so confusing last night, I wouldn’t be surpised if there was a huge drop off at 9:30.
Ok, so who here still thinks Dollhouse has a better chance at renewal than TSCC does??? At least the TSCC season finale had 3.6 million viewers and a 1.3 rating, as I recall, plus an 80% DVR increase.
Better? Not me. Their chances are equally zero.
Hehehe Bill, on this site I’ll take that comment as advantage TSCC.
TVnerdguy, Dollhouse does still have a better chance than TSCC. Not much of a better chance, but a better chance.
Nah, they’re both toast.
2.8 mill and 1.0. yep that will do nicely lol. BYE SHITHOUSE!!
Urgh. Have there been *any* new shows this year that haven’t turned out to be complete and utter ratings disasters? (Other than Fringe). I can’t think of a single one off the top of my head which hasn’t started out strong and then plummeted, or started out weak and still plummeted.
Anyone know when the season 1 DVD will be out? not that ill buy it but ill download episode 13. i wouldnt waste my money on the boxset.
I’d been pretty anti-Dollhouse but after checking out it’s last few episodes this morning on iTunes I have to admit it was improving. Had it been that good in the beginning I might have kept watching.
As for it going up or down in the ratings I don’t think it means anything. Every show goes up and down based on random events. But no one notices when, for example, NCIS goes from 3.4 to 3.3 in a week because it just doesn’t matter. Dollhouse’s numbers are just so low that it makes the drop stand out more.
@John, according to Amazon, the show will be out on dvd and blu-ray July 28th.
Why does every thread have to turn into a Dollhouse vs. T:SCC pissing contest? Both got lousy ratings, and all things being equal *both* will likely end up being cancelled. That being said, I give T:SCC a slight edge for renewal by virtue of (1) the franchise name, and (2) the fact that it’s been broadcast overseas, which means it brings in more than just advertiser and DVD-generated income. Either way, we’ll know soon.
So does this officially put Dollhouse under TSCC. Or you’re still going to say it has that 0.05% chance of renewal, compared with TSCC’s 0.0%?
Even if they averaged out the same, I’d pick TSCC over DH just due to the potential the series has with movie buzz. Dollhouse has no chance at growing an audience. Of course, that’s if I had to renew one.
I’m just disappointed still in Virtuality, and Fox is going with restarting a failed project known as Human Target.
Shelly, off the top of my head I think only The Mentalist and Fringe have been rating winners.
Thanks for that Shelly
I wish I would’ve been able to watch it last night. Having to go to prom instead sucks. :/
Shelly and Kyle, On top of that, 11th Hour did OK (not great, but not a disaster). Lie to Me and Castle have struggled but have been trending up week-to-week. Gary Unmarried never did well, but I think it was around what CBS was expecting, or at least willing to accept.
From Hibberd:
Otherwise: CBS won the night, with Ghost Whisper (9.4 million, 2.2) a bit softer than usual, followed by on par episodes of Flashpoint (8.6 million, 1.8) and Numbers (9.5 million, 2.0). ABC and NBC aired movies, repeats and news.
Sometime later today, assuming I ever see numbers for all the shows, I’ll update the post with a full show data table.
Hey Rob, Bill, THRFeed now has numbers up for the CBS shows as well. Ghost Whisperer getting 9.4 million and a 2.2 18-49 rating, Flashpoint with 8.6 million/1.8 rating, Numbers with 9.5 million/2.0 rating. ABC and NBC had movies, repeats, or news programming.
So outside of CBS, Prison Break and Dollhouse actually had LESS competition and still performed worse than last week. If TSCC’s chances are zero, Dollhouse’s chances are in the negatives. At least TSCC stopped hemorrhaging viewership and rebounded a little. The ratings are so poor it doesn’t matter, I know, I know. Don’t jump on me TVBTN trolls.
Oops. Guess I was a little late. But where’s my mention for predicting Dollhouse would fall again along with Gossi?! HUH?!
I’M WAITING!!!!!!!!!!
“But where’s my mention for predicting Dollhouse would fall again…?”
Dude, EVERYONE predicted that!
Yeah, well, GOSSI got his name in the post, dangit! Why’s he so special?!
Godfather, as Tony Reali frequently reminds Tim Cowlishaw on AROUND THE HORN, “Self promotion is the mating call of the mute button!”
Gossi didn’t predict directionally. He predicted a 1.0 specifically.
PB is terrible had to stop watching it it was so boring bad.
Ah- HAH! Finally a response! Let the debate begin!
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Or not. I just wanted to see how many whining/moaning/bitching posts it would take before I got a response from you. Only 3, I’m impressed sir.
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And by the way, I think Reali said that to Woody once as well. That’s the most arbitrary sports show to watch, period. It’s a ton of fun.
Dollhouse has the cancellation buzz with it all the time. obviously people arent going to get invested in a show that will be axed.
Id love to see how american Idol would do on a friday night. Pity FOX wouldnt move it there for one week.
I doubt anyone will agree, but I personally think Dollhouse and TSCC should be picked up for at least 13 shows each simply because 1. Dollhouse wasn’t really given much of a chance to grow with it starting on Friday, and 2. TSCC has the movies to maybe give it a bumb up. Just find a place that isn’t Friday, where it isn’t on opposite some giant ratings hog like DWTS was on Mondays. I’m not a fan of Dollhouse at all but I don’t think a Friday debut was much to start with.
GW and FlashPoint are really good but true Prison Break is not even the same entertaining show anymore.Had to tune out it was so dumb and horrid acting!
The_GodfatherSJP just accept it, GOSSI is special.
I for one already ordered my copy of Dollhouse. I certainly don’t expect to see Dollhouse or TSCC back next season. I will miss Dollhouse a bit more because I think it had great potential but I would have also loved to see how things turned out on Terminator.
I think this is my first post here, but I’ve become addicted to this site.
No “Star Trek hurt Dollhouse, FOX is sooo stupid” comments? wow..
cool, There are two close to the top (well, they’re longer than that, but blame Star Trek).
Cool, I think that’s because outside of CBS every network ran re-runs and news in the 10PM hour. Simply put there’s wasn’t a lot of competition out there. And you can actually make that argument if you want, Dollhouse dropped about 250,000 viewers and 0.2 in the overall demos (I KNOW, it’s the 18-49 year olds that matter). Prison Break dipped too, though not as much. Both shows got beat by ABC’s Happy Feet (yes, a movie). Actually, HitFix is reporting the overall numbers as 2.76 million and a 1.7 rating overall (I know you guys don’t use that site but they do have the raw numbers for a lot of shows up so I thought you might want to take a look).
Cool, by the way, I was one of the guys saying Star Trek would hurt, but mainly along the lines of preventing any chance Dollhouse had of obtaining a 1.5 in the 18-49 demo.
Oh you’re right Holly
@Holly and Kyle, yes, like any other genre, not all dramedies have been hits. But some of the most successful shows in the past few years (like Ally McBeal and Gilmore Girls) have been dramedies.
no word on the rest yet? how do u guys have the dollhouse ratings but the rest?
Just the overall ratings are available at Hitfix. There’s no demographic breakdown.
When do DVR numbers come out? I’m curious to see what they look like.
Sayonara Dollhouse!
Godfather, households != overall “demos.”
@shelly, Who was talking about dramadies? You asked if there were any shows this year that weren’t ratings disasters, and I answered by listing a few…
@Joshua, The DVR numbers from last night will be out two weeks from this coming Tuesday.
Oops. Sorry Julia. Guess I just should have said household ratings then. Guess this is ratings screwup number 2 you’ve corrected me on
Joshua K., Bill posts the DVR numbers two weeks after the Friday shows. I’m waiting for them as well.
I have watched every dollhouse it really doesn’t have ‘it’ whatever it is so with a low finale like that its gone. Numb3rs was quite the cliffhanger really didn’t expect that to end like it did. On another note Star trek is a really good flick, much better than wolverine, much much better, I hope it spawns a new series in the next few years.
*wonders if the Nielsen folks are using an abacus coordinated with the Mayan calendar to figure out ratings*
Oh crap ! Dollhouse is my favourite show right now. What can i say ? Please FOX, please, pretty please give us a 2nd season !
Those are embarrassing numbers for Dollhouse. It will take a miracle for that show to be renewed.
I wonder why CBS was up last week but down again this week. And I wonder if they really will bring Flashpoint back.
Oops, sorry Holly, I posted my comment in the wrong discussion thread! *hides*
Julia, I’m wondering about Flashpoint too. I think it would have been better to keep it as a summer show. It’s cheap enough not to need really high ratings, but it was doing better in the summer than in the regular season….
Besides, rumor has it that CBS’s pilots have turned out well, so they could be willing to sacrifice Flashpoint (or move it to summer) to give one more of those pilots a chance. (Pure speculation on my part there).
Forgot to add, didn’t The Mentalist premiere last season? I could’ve sworn it did.
When does Fox announce its fall schedule?
lets see how Mental will do in Dollhouse’s timeslot
The Mentalist premiered this fall. FOX will announce their schedule at their upfront on May 18th.
Holly and Julia, I think Flashpoint is worth wondering about. It makes sense as a summer series, or other off-sweeps “filler” maybe? Aren’t most Canadian series only 13 episodes per season? If so, this type of Canadian co-production isn’t meant to run a full 22-24 episodes per season anyway.
Oh, and I think every network will be down for last night (versus last Friday) not only because of Star Trek at the movies, but because of hockey playoffs. Go Pens
Yeah, clutz, I’m pretty sure it would have to be held for midseason if they did want to bring it back during regular season. I think they’ll do something similar to this season. They weren’t planning (at least not publicly) to air Flashpoint on Fridays during the regular season until that other show whose name completely escapes me flopped. So they’ll put something else there this fall and see how it does. If it’s successful, Flashpoint will air in the summer.
Thanks, Holly.
Fox is waiting till the 18th? I wonder why they’re waiting that long. Other than deciding which of next year’s pilots to pick up, I don’t imagine it’s hard to figure out right now which current shows will and won’t be back.
Shelly, that’s the normal schedule that all the networks use for upfronts. Fox is actually the first of the regularly scheduled upfronts. (NBC started going a few weeks early last year for some reason.) ABC seems to make official announcements earlier than that, but everything will be final for all the nets by each one’s upfronts.
Oh, I know, Julia. I was just being snarky about the sad state of some of Fox’s current shows, but it didn’t come across too well in my comment.
I don’t know what to say about Dollhouse and TSCC anymore. I really liked TSCC last season when it felt like the show had a particular storyline and direction, but this season didn’t really seem to go anywhere so I stopped watching. Too bad but just as well since it looks like both these shows will be cancelled.
Having watched his from the first episode I came away with one piece of information: Eliza Dushku, who I think is a very good actress, doesn’t have what it takes to carry a series. Sarah Michelle Geller carried Buffy, Eliza Dushku is better in an ensemble, which I think Joss figured out about half way through the series.
I think the last night’s episode of PB was very good. I can’t imagine better end for an episode than this. But on the other side I’m sad that next week it will be all over.
Robert, Berman has the overnight report up at his site.
thanks Michael, I’ll get the show data table up shortly.
done…
Wow, The Game did very well last night. Especially how it grew out of EHC in the demo. Too bad it is most likely getting cancelled.
Julia, it’s nice to know you’d miss my posts! I have been expanding my television viewing in recent weeks, though! I’ve been getting into shows like Cupid, Harper’s Island, and Parks & Recreation! They’re not as good as something made by Joss, of course, but they have their strengths that I’m sure the American public’s seeing for themselves even as we speak! And someone just recently got me hooked on this show called Chuck, which maybe you’ve heard something about?!
I’m still confident FOX will order a second season of Dollhouse! I have a few ideas to get the ratings for Dollhouse to rise, and I’m in the process of implementing them now! For starters, I’ve contacted the heads of all the movie studios in hopes that they will stop premiering movies on Fridays! Who knows what Dollhouse’s ratings would be like if it didn’t have to go up against movie juggernauts such as Friday the 13th, Star Trek, Watchmen, and Hannah Montana: The Movie?! Also, I’ve contacted several important politicians in hopes of passing a law to prevent anything from Canada coming to the US! Why should Dollhouse have to compete against Canadian imports such as Flashpoint? Of course, exceptions will be made for Canadian Dollhouse star Tahmoh Penikett as well as any Canadians willing to pledge allegiance to Joss! I have also been thinking about tracking down the people who are being tracked by Nielsen! I’ll go to their homes, sit them down in their chair, and force them to watch Dollhouse! I’m coming for you Nielsen people!!!!
Dollhouse is the best show in the history of mankind!
JBF, just wait for the fall pilots to leak over the summer. We’ll find you a new Dollhouse. Don’t worry.
How about Masterwork, Julia? That hasn’t been filmed yet, it’s on FOX, it’s a Da Vinci Code ripoff. Good enough?
Sorry Dollhouse fans… Julia, i have to say any show with new eps will do good in the summer. What else is on? Plus, ratings dont matter much then. Flashpoint is in a good spot where it’s at, plus it’s cheap.
OMG poor dollhouse
Can Eliza Dushku begging on Twitter overcome a 1.0 adults 18-49 rating? No, it can’t. But I don’t blame her for trying:
http://twitter.com/ElizaPatricia/status/1748862563
P.S. Joss’s Biggest Fan, I’ll miss you too. If Sci Fi picks up the 12/13 episodes of Dollhouse to run in syndication at some point, I promise I’ll post those numbers for you!
While the door was left open for a season two if renewed (which it won’t) the writers of Dollhouse kinda wrapped up the basic premise of the show in the season final Friday night. Im sure they know its not coming back. In time Dollhouse will be discovered as a very ballsy piece of television with a unique concept that underneath is quite dark. This will be made into a feature film one day. I have no doubt about that. Its good sci-fi.
chuck
Well of course the ratings are going to be low. I mean come on, last Friday was the premiere of X-men Origins, and this week was Star Trek. Many people go out on Fridays to watch them (especially now that it is movie season) I mean come on next week Terminator: Salvation hits the big screen. Does FOX even take that into consideration on how these big block buster movies effect tv ratings?
There is nothing wrong with Dollhouse, it is an awesome show that ended its season wonderfully and leaving the viewer wanting more. It should get its second season to prove that it could be up there with Buffy, and Firefly.
TT, new episodes in summer doesn’t mean good ratings. HUT levels are down in the summer. There are just less people watching. But since Flashpoint is cheap it would make sense to put it in the summer. CBS at least wants to attempt to find a show that gets over 2.0 in Flashpoint’s spot. But I don’t think they outright cancel it.
Mary, Dollhouse has been dropping since its first ep. i dont think it ever stabilized, but i could be wrong. It’s numbers arent steady, if it hit it’s average 1.4/1.5 last night things would look better. Hopefully fox says, “what the hell!” and brings TSCC and Dollhouse both back but i’m not holding my breath. Network execs know Fridays arent great for scripted shows and they dont scrutinize them the same they would shows that run Mon-Thurs, but Dollhouse has been dropping badly and there hasnt been middle ground for a while. Just be hopeful that come 5/18 Fox renews it but be prepared to hear it’s been canceled.
worst season finale ever ………. what a crappy show (dollhouse) ………even average shows produce better finales than this ……. hope this show never returns …….. complete garbage ……
To the person above who said they wrapped up the main plot points ‘cos they knew they were cancelled – the episode which just aired was shot in January. Before Dollhouse started airing.
Thing are a lot worst for Dollhouse than Terminator.
Terminator has better ratings.
Terminator is a better show.
Terminator has a movie to improve the ratings.
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Only a blind can’t see that
I think the Canadian net (CTV?) already renewed Flashpoint, so the risk is really low for CBS right now. They could buy in for the 3rd season for a mid-season. Then, if they don’t need it for spring (based on how the new shows perform and what mid-season pilots they have), they can air it during the summer.
Flashpoint was actually doing better in the summer after CSI reruns than it is doing now, so chances are it could be more profitable for CBS during the summer than during the regular season. The could use it and Bridge (another Canadian drama they picked up) to start scheduling year-round.
ivanja next week isnt the real finale of Prison Break
the real finale the final break airs in the UK may 26 and will go straight to DVD in the US in late July
its more of a stand alone storyline which is why FOX wont air it
Prison Break: The Final Break
Starring: Wentworth Miller
Sarah Wayne Callies
Jodi Lyn O’Keefe
Robert Knepper
Synopsis: The federal government can’t touch Michael Scofield, so they’re going after the woman he loves. When Sara is arrested for murder, only Michael can rescue her — and their unborn child — from an impenetrable women’s prison. With a price on Sara’s head and time running out, Michael must rely on his deadliest enemies Gretchen & T-Bag (Jodi Lyn O’Keefe, Robert Knepper) to help attempt the most daring breakout ever.
I think it’s over for dollhouse. Too bad, pretty inventive SciFi compared to the utter crap that is “Star Trek” re-imagined at the theater (Can I get my money back? Talk about plot holes) But, it is what it is. Good idea that just never had a chance to develop. I agree with some of the above – Dushku is good at what she does, but this role wasn’t really her. It would have taken a much different actress. Oddly, I think if her role were handled by a different actress.. likely the girl who played another Doll, this show could have went a totally different direction.
I did predict a 1.0 for it, and the main reason why was STAR TREK. I think the episode will see a boost in online viewing this week if not DVR.
Still it was expected but that doesn’t make it a good thing at all.
It still won’t even match TSCC’s finale DVR numbers. Wait and see.
R.I.P. Dollhouse.
Holly: just to let you know, CTV in Canada, confirmed earlier this week that season 3 of Flashpoint will be part of its 2010 lineup. If CBS decides to pass on it for next season, fans can pick it up through feeds available from Canada.
Dollhouse’s problem was clearly that other entertainment options kept existing.
I’ve watched all year long and I have not been rewarded. Let’s get Dichem into a good show stat.
Does anyone have the 18-34W numbers for The Game? The show did well it seems. I am trying to understand how the net can cancel it.
Happy Feet beat Prison Break. Sort of sums up the current state of network TV.
the game actually has more viewers than dawn’s favourite 90210 this week!!!
*looks at Dollhouse number*
Last nail, meet coffin.
WOW !! just, i didnt think it would go as low as the shows on The CW !!
I think this really does show how much better TSCC was going despite the time slot and day.
Come on TSCC !!! You can do it !!!! haha
On a side note, i thought the finale to Dollhouse was a let-down, i think Joss should cut his losses, this is no firefly by any means !
Also, how many excuses do people have ?!
TSCC is a poor lead-in for Dollhouse, thats why it has low viewing figures (even though when on its own, or with Prison Break those numbers were worse!!)
Star Trek was out that weekend
Wolverine was out that weekend
There was some really great adverts on another channel at that time lol.
Come on people, face the facts, Dollhouse has been loosing more and more viewers per week, can you imagine the numbers if it was a 22 episode season!
I think both shows are toast but I can’t imagine why anyone would think TSCC has a better chance of being renewed by FOX as opposed to DH. It’s not an in-house show and the ratings have been worse according to the latest renew/cancel index posted on this site.
So, both shows are canceled, TSCC is just a little more canceled than DH is…
Julia and Holly what would work at the time slot after Ghost Whisperer? THe last three shows, Close to HOme, Moonlight and THe Ex List failed to make the demo that Cbs wants. I really like Flashpoint but usually have to tape it because we are not home.
Not surprised, this episode was awful.
Hookedonmick, since CTV produces Flashpoint on a different schedule than the US TV schedule it can’t be aired in the fall anyway. CBS can at least attempt to find something that hits the right demos while still having the option of replacing it with Flashpoint in the spring.
So Flashpoint will either be renewed with Cbs as a mid placement or summer show?
What i dont get is, why is Ghost Whisperer getting so many views!!??
Both Dollhouse and TSCC are FAR better shows, in terms of on-going story, characters, action, drama, everything.
I rarely get into a show i like and stop watching it, even when its bad i stick it out, Ghost Whisperer is one of the first shows that have gotten so bad i have stopped watching altogether.
Every episode is a totally different story, there is barely no character development anymore or barely any on-going story, all it is now is a mystery, they try and do a twist (every episode around the same time), then a bunch of people argue, someone almost dies, everyone lives, JLH cries. Yep, thats summed up this season of GW ! haha.
Dollhouse and TSCC deserved far better ratings than the competition, (although Dollhouse still has some bad episodes, they are not quite GW bad).
Really, Fox should take note of just how many people want Firefly back (including me), that there are still thousands/millions of people on websites, Forums, Podcasts, everywhere who love that show and want it back. If they listened to just how much acclaim that show gets/got, they would be smart to bring it back, or maybe another network would be smart enough to pick it up?
So Flashpoint will either be renewed with Cbs as a mid placement or summer show?
It’s cheap enough that CBS would be stupid not to.
Andy, they are far better shows to YOU. Some people in the USA like hockey more than football, but that doesn’t mean more people like hockey than football in the USA. More people like football.
More people like Ghost Whisperer.
Robert, by looking at the ratings ye thats true, i just get annoyed when (in my opinion) better quality shows dont get the recognition/ratings they deserve but the lower quality shows (in my opinion! lol) do.
I guess May 18th will tell all, Are they going to announce a Dollhouse pick-up on the 18th aswell or at a later date ?
Andy, I think everyone feels that way about different shows. I don’t watch GW at all, either. Otoh, given all the problems introduced in season 2, I think TSCC got the ratings it deserved. A large bulk of the season was horribly boring and by the time they got back on track and stopped ruining the characters, it was just too late.
@ John, ye i agree they had some boring episodes, i think that may have been because the writers planned for a 13 ep season which all of a sudden got extended to 22, with not much notice (in the middle of making the 13 ep story arc) they sort of slowed the storyline right down. I think if they had all of that story unfold in 13 episodes it would have been another amazing season.
If it gets a season 3, i think they would have learned from their mistakes as they did towards the end of season 2, atleast the season didnt get worse and worse but instead picked up towards the end and went out with fans wanting more.
I was also listening to a podcast interview with ‘Brian Austin Green’ who said his “friends” over at Fox told him there is a 50/50 chance of TSCC being renewed, depending on how the Pilots do. The fact he didnt even know yet shows that Fox are atleast giving the decision time and thought, which even if cancelled i am glad they did not just cut off.
Andy, yes I think if they had taken the best bits and compressed it into a 13 episode season it would have helped greatly.
Dollhouse really improved as the season went on, but it’s not really a show you can just jump right into.
If there’s a miracle renewal of a show this year, it’ll be Dollhouse, but it will be a serious miracle.
I wish they were airing the 13th episode, though.
@andy
They did listen and made a movie. It flopped.
While Serenity wasnt a huge success, what did they expect ?
With little to none advertising, a very small budget etc. It still made about $40 million and that is just with fans, almost everyone i know hadnt even heard of it, yet it managed to still make that.
Making a movie is so different from making a Tv show, they cannot expect the fans of a single tv show which went on for 14 episodes to make a profit of over $100 million, the fact it made $40 million on the budget/advertising it had was amazing i think.
Jinxy, the movie didn’t flop. The viral marketing campaign flopped and if memory serves cost someone at Universal their job. SERENITY like FIREFLY has been a financial success for the respective studios UNIVERSAL and FOX. SERENITY made its money on DVD and continues to sell well on DVD and BD. It has been reissued multiple times (meaning new prints) and it was even entirely redone as a Special Edition. FIREFLY is still one of the top 5 selling TV series of all time on DVD. That’s a huge statement. One of the other top 5 shows: FAMILY GUY was renewed by FOX and did well.
I think FOX would consider bringing FIREFLY back if Mutant Enemy ever seriously pursued it and had the stars to do it with. The 4 major stars look like they might be available next season.
Is it just me or did The Game beat a brand new episode of 90210 this past Tuesday night?
What would this website do without Chuck, TSCC, and Dollhouse?
TS, like any other season – end up talking about another set of shows that don’t get renewed. You think there weren’t discussions last year like this? lol
TS, the same thing we did this year without Moonlight and Jericho
And next fall there will be shows to replace Dirty Sexy Money, Eli Stone and Pushing Daisies. Of that, I am certain.
“Terminator has better ratings.
Terminator is a better show.
Terminator has a movie to improve the ratings.”
None of that is true.
Dollhouse had better ratings than TSCC on Fridays up until the end. Only in the finale does it match TSCC’s 1.0 rating which occurred earlier.
Dollhouse could be considered the better show because it had a fresh premise and livelier characters – despite Eliza’s issues with her “core” character. Personally I still prefer the season one Terminator over Dollhouse, however.
The movie will have zero effect on TSCC. As I’ve said repeatedly, while WB might want a show on TV to help promote the movies, the show has to MAKE MONEY. TSCC didn’t. It COST WB money.
Andywhitto; “i think that may have been because the writers planned for a 13 ep season which all of a sudden got extended to 22,”
No – Josh intended a 22 ep season, they simply weren’t sure they were going to get it until the Friday before they were going to wrap. They had plenty of time after that to get the back nine episodes done. What did Josh do? Write THREE of the most boring episodes ever back to back for the first three of the back nine even AFTER FOX TOLD HIM NOT TO DO IT!
“they sort of slowed the storyline right down. I think if they had all of that story unfold in 13 episodes it would have been another amazing season.”
Friedman – and all his excusers including Summer and BAG – has said that he intended a slow pace the entire time. He ARGUED for a slow pace at WonderCon. He’s an idiot.
“If it gets a season 3, i think they would have learned from their mistakes as they did towards the end of season 2, atleast the season didnt get worse and worse but instead picked up towards the end and went out with fans wanting more.”
It did get worse and worse toward the end. The only thing it did right near the end was PICK UP THE DAMN PACE! The rest of what was done was basically crap, other than finally resolving the whole Riley-Jesse thing which they should have done back in November.
“I was also listening to a podcast interview with ‘Brian Austin Green’ who said his “friends” over at Fox told him there is a 50/50 chance of TSCC being renewed, depending on how the Pilots do. The fact he didnt even know yet shows that Fox are atleast giving the decision time and thought, which even if cancelled i am glad they did not just cut off.”
No, it shows BAG doesn’t know what he’s talking about since he’s relying on “friends” who obviously also don’t know what they’re talking about. There’s no possible way Fox can justify bringing back TSCC and Dollhouse even if they had NO pilots!
Look, anybody connected with a company who talks to the public doesn’t badmouth the company. Summer and BAG and Dekker are going to say nice things about the show and Friedman right up until their job is confirmed over. I can’t wait until the REAL “post-mortems” start coming out over time.
Summer and Bag – just like all the fans – are saying that Friedman’s way of doing things was just fine.
Yeah – except the show tanked like a lead ball in the ratings. And what’s Friedman’s BS about that? “I’m ratings challenged”.
Pathetic.
Get it through your heads. Season two of TSCC had MAJOR PROBLEMS! While there was a lot that was good about it, the problems overshadowed the good stuff and sunk the series. It’s that simple. The focus, the pacing, the bad characterization, all the stuff I’ve listed over and over again here and elsewhere, sank it. There’s just no other explanation for why a guaranteed hit from a major movie franchise sank like a rock. Nobody can pin the blame on anybody but Josh Friedman.
The same applies to Dollhouse. While the show had a lot of good in it, there were issues with the casting, the acting, the sequence of the shows, confusion about the core mythology, and other matters that just meant it couldn’t “click” with its audience. That and a bad night to debut on.
Both shows are done for. Some sort of Terminator show could still be done if WB wants to pursue that for its original PR reasons, but it would require a total reboot. Fox has no reason to pursue Dollhouse at all, so that show is totally over.
“I can’t imagine why anyone would think TSCC has a better chance of being renewed by FOX as opposed to DH.”
Because Dollhouse just crashed, week after week. It never shown any sign of recovering where it premiered at. TSCC was always low, but it recovered what it lost. When both were on the air, DH just barely edged out TSCC. After PB returned, DH still kept falling.
I also don’t see possibility of DH gaining back an audience where as the other has a movie franchise.
But I’m sure your opinion is shared with the writers here, those guys are still upset with the surprise back nine order.
Ah Chad is back and still obsessed with TSCC not coming back. While you can provide many links where it was predicted that TSCC wouldn’t be renewed, you can provide no link to “back nine surprise”.
I can’t believe I just saw a “bring back Firefly” comment. How long has that show been dead?
Oh, and Chad, both shows are effed. Neither one is coming back. 100% lock. There’s no point arguing about it, or even taking the time to think up reasons why TSCC would come back before Dollhouse.
Chad, you know it’s funny because I don’t recall TSCC ever reaching 8 million viewers this season.
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It most certainly NEVER recovered what it lost.
Dollhouse flops. Bring back terminator… have they officially canceled that show
I agree, that comment of Chad’s about TSCC “recovering” is just bizarre. It “recovered” from its low of 1.0 but up to WHAT? Dollhouse beat it in Friday ratings the entire time except for the last couple episodes of DH.
TSCC is done for. As Nick C says, Summer Glau is just waiting for confirmation before accepting a movie role – and I know that’s true because Summer said it herself in an interview at FedCon last week – and Nick says that’s a done deal which should be reported this coming week.
So TSCC is canceled. It’s about as obvious as it gets without a formal announcement.
TSCC saw an uptick in its final few episodes and its finale did better than Dollhouse did that night. Dollhouse on the other hand dropped steadily, even for its finale.
Forget Terminator and Dollhouse, what about Do Not Disturb! It was doing better than BOTH those shows before it was yanked with no good reason! It could of been the next Friends, but NOOOO, FOX had to cancel it without even giving it a chance! Look at Seinfeld! In it’s first season, it was ranked 687 out of 425. That’s right, its ratings were so bad that shows that weren’t even on the air got better ratings. But they took a chance and renewed it, something these short-sighted suits failed to do with the wonderfully funny Do Not Disturb. I’m sure someone is going to get fired for that decision when CBS realizes what a goldmine it is and picks it up for next season!
/sarcasm
Holly, LOL! Nice work!
Richard certainly lives up to his last name….hack.
Personal attacks? Really Dan?
DULL House? Looks like the final nail in the coffin of the latest Whedon bomb. Time for him to retire.
Some mention the problem with Dull House was airing on Fridays. Well, it doesnt hurt Ghost Whisperer any. Bottom line is Dull House was just plain dull and the acting stiff. TSCC is dead too – at least that one lasted 2 schizophrenic seasons. Biggest problem with that one was too much time travel creating more temporal paradoxes than a barrel full of those little plastic monkeys inside the Monkeys in a Barrel game. Turning Sarah Conner into dark haired crazy soccer mom wasnt such a bright idea either.
FIREFLY come back? Its deader than a doornail; despite what Whedon-bots thinks. SERENITY did Bomb – it almost broke even at the theaters – but after considering promotional and distribution costs, even the DVDs didnt make it worthwhile to bother even thinking about another movie let alone another movie. It has the same chance of coming back as JERICHO or MOONLIGHT or MY MOTHER THE CAR does – zero. Ok, maybe not zero but 0.000000001889% chance.
“V” is supposedly coming back as a reboot after a 24 year hiatus – but thats neither here not there.
I saw a few posts that Flashpoint got renewed for a 3rd season, but I have yet to see any information on that.
Good job The Game on your season high!
Joe Blow = Hate Bot
Nick C, I’m not sure where you got your Top 5 TV on DVD rank for FIREFLY? Here’s all I can find on Amazon. Seriously, I’d love to know your source there. Plenty of discussion boards have noted that we have no definitive source for DVD sales ranks. Everything’s subjective that I can find – either one source (like Amazon) or a list compiled by taking surveys (non-Nielsen). If you can list your source, please do so. Until then, here’s what Amazon says about Firefly:
Amazon.com Sales Rank: #179 in Movies & TV (See Bestsellers in Movies & TV)
Popular in these categories: (What’s this?)
#1 in Movies & TV > Television > Science Fiction & Fantasy > Firefly
#7 in Movies & TV > Television > Fox TV
#11 in Movies & TV > Science Fiction & Fantasy > Science Fiction > Series & Sequels
And here’s the Serenity (Wide Screen DVD, probably the most popular version) notes:
Amazon.com Sales Rank: #581 in Movies & TV (See Bestsellers in Movies & TV)
Popular in these categories: (What’s this?)
#3 in Movies & TV > Animation > Science Fiction
#4 in Movies & TV > Science Fiction & Fantasy > Science Fiction > Futuristic
#6 in Movies & TV > Science Fiction & Fantasy > Science Fiction > Space Adventure
The collectors’ edition of Serenity was also in the 500’s in overall. Not bad. JERICHO only holds in the 2,000’s in Movies and TV overall, so Serenity and Firefly are definitely outselling my beloved Jericho
“agree, that comment of Chad’s about TSCC “recovering” is just bizarre. It “recovered” from its low of 1.0 but up to WHAT?”
TSCC recovered to where it premiered at on Friday in viewers, minus a 0.1 tick in some damn demo. Dollhouse went from the 4+ million range to 2.75 for the finale.
There’s nothing’s bizarre at all. I didn’t say it recovered the 18 million from the series premiere, nor did I say it’ll be renewed based on that. DH sunk, every week, including a series low on the finale.
“Ah Chad is back and still obsessed with TSCC not coming back.”
And you, Robert, are still obsessed with dropping titles in your Chuck articles for hits and shock value. Going as far as taking swipes at the TSCC fans for noticing your motives.
You keep making claims it’s nothing about bias, hits, or piling on the negative press. Curiously you never included the first 13 episodes of TSCC in your updated Fox Renew/Cancel Index, hiding a little footnote instead.
So, will you be disappointed if Chuck is renewed? Like I’m really buying into those Chuck support articles every day.
i think what Chad was trying to say is that TSCCs numbers held pretty steady at 1.3 in the rating share and only dipped below 3M viewers once. even then it was at 2.96M. It averaged a 3.5/3.6M viewers an ep on Friday, down only .4/.3 points from it’s 3.9M Friday debut. i dont know the Dollhouse numbers off hand but i know that it took a dive towards the end and never leveled again.
Nick C, do you have an idea of what kind of numbers Fox expected for their TSCC/Dollhouse lineup and PB/Dollhouse lineup?
Chad, what part of “viewer numbers don’t mean squat with respect to renewal” don’t you get?
And as far as recovering what it premiered at on Fridays in viewers, that wasn’t exactly stellar, even for Fridays.
Face facts, the show tanked horribly from season one, and continued to tank all through season two, barely recovering from truly horrible numbers for the last few episodes when they finally picked up the pace from what was a glacier to perhaps molasses.
The first 13 episodes being included in the Renew/Cancel wouldn’t have helped TSCC in the slightest. The ratings were bad for most of season two. Mondays and Fridays.
Finally, it’s irrelevant to compare TSCC with Dollhouse since the two shows are completely different other than being in the same genre, and one had 31 episodes to develop while the other had 12. You TSCC fans bitch about how season one only had nine episodes – well, Dollhouse only had three more to work with to develop an audience – and that after debuting on a bad night for such things.
As others have pointed out, TSCC season one had two things going for it: 1) it was up against repeats most of the time due to the writer’s strike, and 2) it was a new show with plenty of hype based on a very successful franchise. This means the show had a much better chance of survival than Dollhouse ever did.
And it PISSED ALL THAT AWAY in season two in one of the biggest tanks a show could make. As I and others have repeatedly said, how the HELL do you screw up TERMINATOR, for Christ’s sakes!?
Ask Friedman. He can tell you chapter and verse – and is happy to do so, since he continues to think he’s God’s gift to the franchise.
TT: Fine. Now compare 3.5 million viewers with Ghost Whisperer.
Who cares how TSCC compared with Dollhouse? It wasn’t competing against Dollhouse!
This is crap coming from TSCC fans who want to blame Dollhouse for the crappy performance of TSCC. It’s pathetic nonsense.
Odd thing about Dollhouse was up until about 3 weeks ago I found the show to be boring as crap, and I hated the detective character, his story always slowed down or had nothing to do w/ whatever the plot of the week was for Echo. But then Joss figured out the problem, that the audience needs someone to root for and started to write the show based on the detective, then something strange happened I actualy looked forward to next weeks show, now it is over and I will miss it, I will be buying it on DVD hoping that the original pilot and the lost episode are of the same quality as the last 4 episodes, if you want to hook someone on the show tell them that it is about this detective dude searching for the dollhouse and show them episode 2, 4, parts of 6 then 9-12 and they may give a crap about the show and hopes it continues.
If Fox could forgive Joss and give him another 13 to do a show based around the detective and the other charaters, (less Eliza sadly) and air it on Tue after Fringe or Idole(dream world I know), it could work.
I would also lose my job as programer at Fox but this would be my schedule
Sun:Simpsons hour/American Dad/(new space comedy from Always Sunny in Philly writers)/T:SCC(change name to Terminator: Fight for The Future
Mon:Bones/Lie to Me
Tue:(fall)Fringe(13 ep)/Dollhouse(13 ep)
(Spring)AI/Glee(13 ep)
(late spring)AI/Fringe(7ep)
Wed:(fall)Family Guy/Cleveland Show/Kingof Hill(final episodes)/til Death
(spring)Family Guy Cleveland Show/AI results/til Death
Thur:Bones/New Drama(Mentalist)
Fri: Smarter than 5th Grader/Hells Kitchen
Yes, I know it doesn’t help even .000000001 bit on its chances of renewal but, still its interesting that right up to the end Dollhouse at least beat whatever lead in show it was paired with in the all important 18-49 age demo rating.
At this point the only real hope die hard fans(with realistic views of its renewal) of the show is that Josh Whedon still has stories he was working on that will be adapted to comics form in the future. Photo covers with either new or unrealessed pictures of Eliza & cast would sell well I suspect.
i wasnt blaming any show for TSCCs performance. i just saw how you all jumped all over Chad where i saw where he was coming from and tried to explain my understanding of what he was saying. If i were to blame any show it’d be Ghostwhisper, not the show following it on the same channel. Ghostwhisper is the bread winner for that hour and it’s likely to stay that way until it dies or something else comes out. Not a real shock there…
But i’m curious to know what numbers Fox expected for their shows that night? They tested the waters before their ’sci fi throwback’ night with reruns of Cops and House to see what demos they pulled, so i’m guess their expectatiosn were low. 1.0-1.3 low, i doubt it. That’s why i’m hoping Nick C can help me out…
Goodbye Dollhouse. It sucked
Goodbye Prison Break. It was great…Time to End.
Pete, you would definitely lose your job, because you forgot House!
lol pete. you would put dollhouse on the schedule instead of house?
excuse me while I go laugh myself into oblivion
Chad, anything that TSCC “recovered” on Friday was the difference between terminally ill and fatally wounded – either way, TSCC is dead when it comes to looking at the ratings and the show is going down as the lowest scripted series on FOX this season, according to the Renew/Cancel index.
Richard is right in that the series had a lot going for it and the show runner just pissed it all away. Terminator is not only a great genre universe but it’s not exactly rocket science either. All the building blocks to lay out a great TV series are really quite simple and Friedman just tossed them out of the pram.
Looks like it’s bye bye dollhouse
At least i still have fringe in terms of sci-fi shows to be addicted to on FOX
I am happy with how Dollhouse ended.
The part that amazes me the most about the TSCC Fanboys is that they all chant in harmony that “FOX won’t announce anything till May 18th” true I guess, but I wonder if anyone really thinks that the FOX executives wake up on Monday May 18th, flip a coin and decide that very day that TSCC lives or dies.
FOX has known the final numbers since the day after the SERIES Finale on April 10th, but the decision was made even before then.
This is the hardest part for all the TSCC Fandom to grasp, all 3.0 million of them to understand,
The reason TSCC isn’t coming back isn’t because of the Friday Time Slot, Dollhouse or the massive DVR viewing, it is because ONLY A VERY NARROW FAN BASE WATCHED IT!
Not enough people liked it, not enough people tuned in, not enough people, get the point! Not enough people!
I was curious to see how Dollhouse did as a finale and to read the various comments, but I had to post a “global” response to Lanie Grace’s post.
So she said that the show was canceled after asking a source on the WB backlot; Ok, I said to myself, maybe it is canceled, or maybe the sets were moved. Friedman and Miller deny that sets are being destroyed ergo the show has not been canceled; of course, they could be towing the corporate line and trying to avoid a terrible rating for the finale.
But when Ms. Grace posted the finale script from a supposedly close source, it was later deleted from her website after the finale was completely different. Instead of hiding somewhere, she is still posting as if she has influence on what the perception should be of the show’s failures.
Is the show coming back? Pretty unlikely unless some company wants to loose money on some chance of the ratings improving. I did not like the terrible arc of four episodes surrounding the winter finale and that lies solely on Friedman. But people who have been proven “wrong” should get out of the “lead pipe locks” business.
I’m just going to call Nick C out on the FIREFLY DVD thing he posted – it’s not one of the top 5 selling DVDs of all time. At all. I worked on SERENITY for Universal, and as part of that we got the DVD sales deets for FIREFLY as part of the rights pickup – it’s a few years ago now, but it had shipped 500,000 units.
Comparison – “Beverly Hills Chihuahua” is just about to pass 3 million units on DVD. I’m not kidding.
WOW Josh Whedon should never be allowed to work on a TV series again.
Steve T, Joss Whedon. With an s.
Considering he’s created 4 TV series and 2 of them went into syndication, I’m willing to bet 20th Century Fox want him to create something new ASAP. 90% of shows fails to make it out the first year, so JosS is well ahead of the batting average.
First of all, Nielsen just announced that from now on they are going to get their numbers exclusively from online polls. So with that said TSCC must be renewed. That’s not even including DVR numbers, international audience, Lena Headley blow up dolls, etc.
What most people don’t know is that Doll House is HUGE in Mexico. I mean HUUUGE! Most people who are not in the biz or don’t have connections really don’t understand how vital the peso is in getting a show renewed.
Joe Blow whats with all the hate for My Mother the Car? I hear the CW is doing a remake with Rosie O’Donnell.
Flashpoint is performing reasonably well. It gets decent ratings (especially for a Friday night time slot) at a reduced price.Why mess with a good thing just cus it’s a Canadian co-production…
Ok, here’s what I am wondering about that Firefly comeback: If this is such a goldmine in DVD sales and making FOX and Universal ridiculously rich since 2002, then why is neither of those studios producing yearly direct to DVD movies already?
I’m beginning to think that the procedural nature of Ghost Whisperer is key to its success on Fridays – it allows people to miss an episode due to movies, social commitments, etc and then pick it back up again the next week.
Also @Gossi, I believe it was “top 5 TV DVDs of all time” as opposed to the larger “top 5 DVDs of all time.” I find the former believable.
Ok, why are some people here so dead-set against TSCC ?!
I mean, if you didnt care about the show stop going on about why it should be cancelled!
People go on as though TSCC’s boring eps were the worst possible episodes known to man, they arent. There was a few filler eps, but if you go back and look at it, there were alot of fantastic episodes.
Those people saying it didnt pick up towards the end are wrong, it did, the last 5 episodes were great and exciting, perhaps the reason you didnt like them is because you dont actually like TSCC (which explains the huge esseys of why it “deserves” to be cancelled.
We will all know by 18th, but put it this way, TSCC worst episodes are still alot better than Dollhouse’s worst, and i dont think TSCC EVER got as low as 2.75 million views did it ? (or may have gotten close once or twice but always picked back up to over 3 million, which Dollhouse just seemed to be going down each week and not actually sustaining an audience).
I also do think the movie may spark interest in the series, when people see T4, they will prob want something to fill in the time between that and the next movie and will be looking toward TSCC to see what its like.
Anyway, if TSCC is so doomed, so hated, so dead-certain cancelled, why are we still talking about if it will return or not and if it is hated by everyone, why is there so many people arguing for it here and not exactly alot of people arguing for Dollhouse return ? hhmmmmm..
andywhitto, you’re absolutely right. People here are just mad that TSCC has a loyal following of people who refuse to accept this site’s views on the show and its prospects as fact.
Too bad, so sad!
I must agree that TSCC seems to have a large fan following and may be a factor in which show to pick-up, i do not understand this websites logic however that Dollhouse is more likely to get picked up and TSCC is cancelled for certain, when Dollhouse has performed worse than TSCC on many occasions and seems to have little critical acclaim, even with fans.
I believe both shows will be cancelled, but TSCC had a better run than Dollhouse.
There is a large overlap in the viewership of DOLLHOUSE and T:SCC. The fact that fans of one find it necessary to diss the other is really just sad. News flash: If you’re a fan of DOLLHOUSE, you should be trying to *persuade* fans of T:SCC who aren’t watching to stream the episodes at Fox.com or download them from iTunes, not trashing them because they happen to enjoy something else. This constant sniping is the last refuge of pathetic nerds.
Has any body considered how Chuck feels?
Chuck feels renewed.
@ClareC
What large fan base? That is the problem. TSCC had an average of around 3.0 million viewers every week at the series ending. In USD$ 3 million is a lot, but in terms of viewers on a broadcast network, it’s pathetic.
It was the lack of a fanbase that killed this show. The 100 or so fanatical active TSCC fans over at T-Wiki that voted 600 times each or created dozens of Digg accounts to make anything pro TSCC go popular, really didn’t effect anything.
They didn’t fool anyone either.
Robert said it well in response to a comment in an earlier post on TSCC, (paraphrase) “Well adjusted people see that the numbers aren’t there and say Oh well, but some seem to attach their self worth to a show and well…. ”
I wonder which group this applies to?
@Lanie, TSCC was getting over 6-8 million before it moved to Fridays, Maybe Dollhouse will have a better chance on a different day, but atleast TSCC held its audience over 3 million (for most of the time) on friday nights.
3 million isnt pathetic, tell that to the CW lol, 3 million is just low for a great show like TSCC, thats why its considered low, because it deserves more, if some reality show that was **** was getting that noone would care because the show was ****, but people seem to notice TSCC alot!
Wait… hasnt Lanie Grace been proven a liar… Yup, thought so. Go back to fabricating stories on your inferior website. Do us all a favor. And if you want to use numbers Lanie, USE the CORRECT ones. TSCC averaged 3.55M on it’s Friday run. Stop pulling numbers and scoops out your *ss.
Lol @ Lanie, the lying liar. Once you get the reputation, it’s hard to lose it.
And why are TSCC fans and Dollhouse fans against each other? Duh, when you’re running from a bear (cancellation), you don’t necessary have to outrun the bear. You just need to outrun your companions.
I like the Summer Glau Chronicles as much as the next guy. But realistically, I’m betting in this case, the bear will eat (already ate) both.
andywhitto says on May 10th, 2009 at 6:44 am: “Ok, why are some people here so dead-set against TSCC ?! I mean, if you didnt care about the show stop going on about why it should be cancelled!”
TSCC is almost certain to be non-renewed, but pretend for a moment that it had a chance…
Any renewed show occupies valuable broadcast real estate. People who believe in the promise (or at least hope) of something new want that space freed for a new series.
Rabid TV show fans are the enemies of creativity. They want the same characters on the the same sets in similar (but slightly different) situations, and they want those characters to remain relatively unchanged. You can’t even cut their hair for Christ’s sake!
That all makes sense, because rabid TV show fans are the most boring people on Earth. They probably eat the same thing for breakfast every day.
And please spare me stories of “Jericho success.” Fans were NOT the reason that it was renewed for a limited run, but fans did provide cover for renewing it. That scenario will probably happen again on another network eventually, so those who claim Jericho’s failure following renewal doomed fan campaigns are wrong. A fan campaign didn’t save it in the first place, and a fan campaign will likely provide cover in a similar circumstance elsewhere.
Yikes. Here I was thinking Star Trek wouldn’t have a too detrimental effect on the ratings. I suppose I was wrong. Well, bye bye Dollhouse. I was nice while it lasted I suppose. And hopefully this serves as a lesson to Fox about Friday nights.
Well, both shows from Fox seem to be doomed. Which is a shame especially for Terminator. Lots of people are in denial thinking that the show has any shot at getting renewed, myself included at times through wishful thinking.
Why is it always blame-a-movie? Is it not at all possible that people aren’t liking the show?
I wonder if it’s canceled!?! lol
andywhitto, TSCC was most certainly NOT getting 6-8 million viewers on Monday this season, not even close. The show grabbed 6.3 million for the S2 premiere but every episode after that was much lower, ranging from 5.8 down to a low of 4.5. This is cancelation territory for FOX and is WHY the show was moved to Friday. I think by the time they moved it to Friday, FOX had already internally figured there would be no order for S3.
Also, what’s “boring” is subjective but I don’t think DOllhouse ever fell to the depths that TSCC did this season, particularly during those first 3-5 episodes when the show came back on Friday. I was literally falling asleep watching episodes 15 and 16.
Chris the TV Sage; Yeah, the blame-a-movie thing is trite and tired, honestly. One of the aspects of being a successful or stable show is being able to stand up to and withstand competition. If a show can only grab viewers when there are no entertainment alternatives available then it isn’t very successful is it?
@andywhitto: “People go on as though TSCC’s boring eps were the worst possible episodes known to man, they arent. There was a few filler eps, but if you go back and look at it, there were alot of fantastic episodes.”
Name them, please. I gave the series chance after chance. Watched every episode, even though all my friends gave up way sooner. I saw every episode from the first season to the season 2 finale, and the ONLY two good episodes were the first one and the last one. That is it.
I couldn’t get anyone to watch the show with me because when it wasn’t being boring, it was frakking stupid. Dream sequences with metallic cactuses hugging young boys sexually DO not make for good television.
Wow Lanie Grace you are just pathetic!
I supposed the 10 200 registered members on the TSCC wiki are all 100 people registering over and over again? Wow… and you run a site? With articles? Wow…
Nobody else has been watching Kill Bill? Because Jane – v – Chuck fans reminds me of Uma versus Lucy Lui and her Tokyo gang. Sarah Connor and Dollhouse fans – call your mothers.
@ John T, i meant season 1 it was getting 6-8 million per episode, not this season.
@ Cap’n Jack, no there were many great episodes, not just the first and last in season 2, ill name a few in season 2:
“Allison From Palmdale” one of my fav eps (ep4), we discover the human Cameron is based on, was some of the best acting i have ever seen and set up the season with us knowing something is off with Cameron etc.
“The Mousetrap”, another exciting episode in which Charleys wife is kidnapped, later then dies, another great performance from the cast.
“Mr. Ferguson is Ill Today”, a very well edited/directed episode in which a story unfolds from each characters perspective, yet another exciting ride in which Cromartie is killed at the end.
As for when it came back only the last episode was great, no the last 6 were great!
“Ourselves Alone” is where Riley figures out why she was brought back in time, what her purpose is – to die. A really memorable episode and ultimately lead to an amazing “bitch fight” between Jesse and Riley, in which really either could die since Riley held her own, but ultimately was killed. Another interesting note, cameron put small explosive near her chip incase she turns again and gives John the trigger!
“Today is the Day” – a fantastic 2-parter in which we learn of Jesse’s past, we see her mission of the submarine (which is commanded by metal!), we learn why Jesse is the way she is and why she will do anything to stop them. This is an example of fantastic writing, they took a character we didnt like/hated and within an episode made us understand her and actually feel sorry for her! But the Conners find out everything, did Derek kill her ? What was that liquid-terminator talking about “join us?”. Just a another exciting/interesting episode.
“To the Lighthouse” – The Conners leave their house, its time to move. We meet Charley again, Derek and Cameron are attacked followed by the Conners, we later find the boat gone meaning they got away, but looking down at the sea Charley gave his life so John could escape. John-Henry is compromised, there is someone out there trying to destroy him (is this a Resistance fighter or sky net?..)
“Adam Raised a Cain” – second to last ep, where Savana is kidnapped..by the Conners as someone sent a Terminator to kill her. I guess Catherine Weaver is not all buddy-buddy with Skynet ? In the fire-fight Derek is shot by the Terminator, this was a real death, not a slow-motion “omg” everyone starts crying because that is not real, you push on and thats what they did. They meet up with Ellison to give Sevana back, only to be ambushed by police, Sarah is arrested, then comes a very creepy/hearty song by John-henry & Sevana, over Dereks burriel, in the same graveyard as his brother.
and as for the last ep, you already know about that. So there you go, there were the last 6 great eps, yes there were a few fillers before them but really, they wernt that bad!
I agree that they should not do that in a series like this as the story needs to push on, this is no GW where there is a mystery every week, this show is better than that and IF it gets picked-up id prefer a 14 ep run rather than 22, as i believe series which have seasons of 12-14 episodes have many more high-quality episodes as there is no room for fillers!
I see Lanie chose to ignore my post and used a reply from Robert as a retort.
You know what, “Robert said it well in response to a comment in an earlier post on TSCC,”
“Separately, I just watched the finale of TSCC. I won’t make any commentary on the episode other than to say that “leaked script” (that was subsequently pulled down) was a total fraud. The only things it seems to have gotten right were the bits that were in the video clip montage of the last few episodes that came out a month ago.” http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/10/say-goodbye-to-terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles/16514#comment-70750
Please, stop acting like you’re an authority on the matter.
I just want to know what is cancelled and what is renewed, either way, i hope both shows are renewed but im sick of the waiting and wondering whether my show will be picked up. I cant say a proper goodbye to it because it hasnt officially been cancelled yet lol.
Apparently, it is now official: Fringe is a much better show than Dollhouse. Before you tear me apart, here’s why I think Fringe is better. The reason is because the mission on Fringe is more clearly defined on Fringe than Dollhouse. For example, on Dollhouse you don’t really have a side top root for. How can you really root for each character if you’re not emotionally invested in that personality? Secondly, Dollhouse is harder to sustain as a premise because there’s no real mythology to connect the stories. Or if there is one, it’s just the organization Dollhouse and isn’t as interesting as say, parallel universe on Fringe. You see, on Fringe the audience knows where this is all heading because the show has an established mythology, a war between parallel universes. Also, We know more about the characters in Fringe than in Dollhouse and as result, the audience cares about them more. For example, we know Olivia’s past with Cortexiphan and her past drug trials. Whereas, in Dollhouse we didn’t learn that much about Caroline or the others. Fringe’s stand alone episodes, however bad they compared to the mythology episodes are much more creepier than the stand alones of Dollhouse. I’m sorry, but I just think that Dollhouse’s stand alones are too much like Ghost Whisperer which is a bad show. We also know a lot about Walter’s past including his involvement with William Bell. That’s more than we know about topher, the eccentric for Dollhouse. And yes, I did change my name.
The series finale disappointed me when Ballard went to work with them. This organization has been erasing people’s minds. That violates their constitutional rights. So, an FBI agent or even Harry Lennix’s character has no business assisting in something that is wrong an unconstitutional. It doesn’t make a difference if they’ve agreed to it. Yeah, I know you’ll just bring up Fringe and Walter and what he did and you would be right. There’s no excuse for Walter experimenting on children or adults. That makes or in Walter’s case, made him just as bad as the other side. Although he has since seemingly made amends. But, Bell probably hasn’t.
If DVR ratings take two weeks to show up, that means they should be out by the time Fox has their upfronts. I’ll keep my fingers crossed that they are good.
@FringeFan I love Fringe and Dollhouse both (for very different reasons), but using real-world morality and rationale on fictional characters is kind of moot. Yes, erasing people’s minds may be immoral and illegal (although, I challenge you to find a law against it…), but using real-world ethics is precluded by the fact that neither of these shows is about the real-world.
Re: your first post, I personally enjoy shows and movies that are far more complicated than the simple “right vs. wrong” division. Although you suggest that Fringe isn’t in this category, I disagree due to the multiple occasions where a character has pointed out that they don’t know what they’re doing or whose side people are on. If Walter & Co. was experimenting on children in an effort to prep them to be our saviors in an upcoming war, you have to ask yourself if they are the “bad guys” or if they’re the good guys going about things in a scurrilous way. Although neither Dollhouse nor Fringe is ENTIRELY upfront about who is good/bad and why they are, Dollhouse is a bit more explicit about it. Fringe has us believing that Walter and his ex-posse are CLEARLY bad, but all those vague hints (if you spot them and believe the people dropping them) have you questioning everyone’s ultimate alignment.
All in all, I have become attached to both shows and although I can certainly see why people my not attach to the Dollhouse characters, I find that I have. This primarily stemmed from catching glimpses of their histories and feeling empathy for the tough spots most of them found themselves in that would lead them to sign such a contract.
Also, Amy Acker is wonderful. Can she please be in more shows now? Kthnxbye.
The Seventh Day of Chuck just had a pineapple event. That should make some of you happy.
Wow, it’s finally to see thaty someone on this board actually likes both shows. It’s amazing how so many people on this board hate Fringe that’s refreshing to see him enjoy it as much as I do. And I wasn’t Walter was good. My point was Walter maybe decent now, but at one time he might have been bad. But, at least there you know some of his background.
It’s finally nice to see someone on this board who likes both series!
just tried to get Fringe online but there are hardly any downloads (legal downloads that is….lol), makes me think its not that popular online or atleast outside of US since most people download TV Shows because we are so slow at getting them over here haha.
I’m another person who has watched every episode of T:SCC Seasons and while I wanted to like it and see it return to what it did right in S1, it just didn’t happen for me. A scene here, a couple of bits there, there were (usually brief) times where I enjoyed it again, but for the most part S2 was quite disappointing. I was certain that it was going to be canceled after it was pulled from Monday nights and thought that they might use their second chance on Fridays to come back stronger. Instead, I found the initial Friday episodes sooooo slow. I know that Lena Headley can act, but by then I felt like the Season had focused far too much on her. Those initial Friday episodes made the imbalance between her screen time and that of the rest of the cast’s painful for me.
Also, Fox’s advertising focused on Summer Glau and she was pretty much nowhere to be found. Whether or not you agree with that advertising approach, I felt like the content of those initial Friday episodes were guaranteed to turn off whatever new audience might have been tuning in to see Summer. When the show was so close to cancelation and so much was at stake then it could have either increased the action, increased Summer, increased all that made it appealing in S1… or it could have done the opposite, which is what it did imo. I’m sad for losing what it COULD have been, but it’s hard for me to mourn losing that which it was.
@ FringeFan: Are fans of both Fringe and Dollhouse that rare?
I honestly don’t know, just wondering. I actually think that there are some definite similarities between them. Both shows contain a lot of unanswered questions, have moral ambiguity amongst at least some of the primary characters and both ask what are to me important questions that most network shows don’t often deal with these days. Also, i thought that both started weak and quite improved as they progressed. The cause for Dollhouse’s weak initial episodes is well-known. I wanted to like Fringe, but was ready to give up on it. Fortunately for me, I had nothing else to watch on Tuesdays and since I was home anyway I kept turning Fringe on out of habit. After one episode I was struck that it had suddenly, unexpectedly improved and found that it remained so from then on.
I wouldn’t classify either as significantly better than the other though. I guess that for people who need things to be “clearly defined” then Fringe is better, though Dollhouse became more clearly defined by the end of it’s run. I guess for people who need to “root” for characters and become “emotionally invested” in them then Fringe is better at that. However, I’m not one of those people that needs that. For example, despite the fact that I enjoyed watching Buffy there was essentially no character on that show that I liked or became invested in. Pretty much every show has characters that are likable and for whom it is easy to root for, I like the fact that in DH we don’t have that. Or if we do want to root for a character then we have to be prepared to accept the good with the bad, that there are significant barriers to being too “emotionally invested” in anyone. The fact that DH made it more difficult to easily root for anyone might have doomed it to cancelation, but it made the show quite a bit more interesting for me.
If we get a 2nd Season (despite the unlikelihood of that happening) then we’ll get a better sense of what the relationship between Ballard and the DH would be. But I would say that his working for them was by far his wisest course of action. If he hadn’t gone to work for them then they might killed him and even if they didn’t, what would he have gone back to? Look at how the FBI regards him? We know that the NSA definitely IS aware of the DH’s existence, but they have a different agenda. And just because he is working for them now, doesn’t mean that he doesn’t have plans to turn the tables on them at some future point. Working for them gives him access, lets him find out more information and allows him to wait for the perfect moment, if he does have his own agenda (which I would guess that he does).
In contrast, you are right that it seems like Walter has done some very questionable things in the past. Also, look at the FBI in Fringe. How many agents have been revealed to be working for ZFT? And it’s obvious that Peter has done some ambiguous things in his past and I have heard a couple of rumours that he has additional darker secrets that will be coming out. I think that we could, at least for now, clearly count Olivia, Astrid, Rachel, Charlie and probably Broyles as “good” people (though it seems like Broyles knows more than he is letting on based on some of his conversations with Nina). That’s more than DH, but it’s not a lot and obviously a good number of the characters in Fringe are depicted more much in greys then then are in black and white.
1 word. 4 letters.
H-U-L-U
Prior to Hulu, watching Friday night shows was a nailbiter. If you loved the show, you HAD to watch it, or DVR it, which not everybody had. Now… why waste a Friday night when I could just wait till morning to watch it on Hulu, for free, with almost no commercials?
On a Monday, or Tuesday night… there’s not much to do BUT watch House or Fringe. Hulu has killed the weekend TV industry. ALL shows on weekends across the board on all networks have flopped as Hulu becomes more popular (at least the shows that are on Hulu.)
Hulu views should be included on these statistics. Then they will be more accurate
Fringe is quite often on The Most Popular list on Hulu. So, you’re wrong about it not being popular. Now, actual viewing figures I don’t know about because they don’t publish them. If they do, it’s in an area where I can’t see it.
Not that anyone cares, especially the Whedon-ites, but I finally watched SERENITY and found the dialog flat and the attempts at comedy mostly unsuccessful. I couldn’t watch it all. It was every bit the mediocre Star Wars clone – right down to a Harrision Ford look-a-like. Sorry fans, but I just don’t get the whole Firefly – Serenity thing. I can think of a dozen sci-fi films in the same budget range that are more effective. But for that matter – I don’t get the whole Buffy thing, either. It’s not great television.
Say what you want about Dollhouse. Curse Firefly as a Star Wars clone. But don’t you dare call Buffy mediocre television.
“gossi says:
May 10th, 2009 at 3:29 am
I’m just going to call Nick C out on the FIREFLY DVD thing he posted – it’s not one of the top 5 selling DVDs of all time. At all. I worked on SERENITY for Universal, and as part of that we got the DVD sales deets for FIREFLY as part of the rights pickup – it’s a few years ago now, but it had shipped 500,000 units.
Comparison – “Beverly Hills Chihuahua” is just about to pass 3 million units on DVD. I’m not kidding.”
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gossi, “Beverly Hills Chihuahua” is not a TV series. Nick C was specifically talking about television series on DVD. Here’s exactly what he said.
“FIREFLY is still one of the top 5 selling TV series of all time on DVD.”
Yeah don’t ever call Buffy mediocre television because it wasn’t!
SERENITY was an attempt to tie-up several of the loose plot threads from Firefly. As such, it is supposed to be watched last.
For anyone who hasn’t yet watched Firefly I might recommend starting at the beginning.
FringeFan,
No Thoughts or Responses?
Actually, I watched Serenity first, and then watched Firefly. I had no trouble with the continuity pretty much because I researched what Firefly was about before I saw the movie. (I’m not a guy bothered by “spoilers”.)
What Serenity did was get me interested in both Firefly and Summer Glau. That was a “twofer” win!
Fringefan: I liked both Fringe and Dollhouse – but not equally. Fringe is significantly better.
Why Dollhouse has sinked in the last episodes ? I don’t understand. The awful ratings for Prison Break there are also very impresive, this show used to be one of Fox hits and now has 0.9 demo.
What happen with Fox on Friday ?
hulu shouldnt be included, since hulu is insignificant. theres an article on this very website that explains why hulu &itunes is not yet revelant.
Ye, Buffy was one of the best shows on TV, dealt with alot of real-world problems, people just laugh at it because of its name, they dont realise that its actually a really well written/acted show. Its like what people do with “Battlestar
Galactica”, trying to get people to watch just for the name of the series is so hard!
“First of all, Nielsen just announced that from now on they are going to get their numbers exclusively from online polls.”
Where exactly did you hear this, Big in Mehico? I can’t find this anywhere.
This is really exciting news, if it’s true!
Randy, I think you need to adjust your sarcasm meter.
That’s because Prison Break sucks; if Terminator was still there, then maybe…
I basically do agree with AO that both shows started out poorly.
AO said, “I think that we could, at least for now, clearly count Olivia, Astrid, Rachel, Charlie and probably Broyles as “good” people (though it seems like Broyles knows more than he is letting on based on some of his conversations with Nina). That’s more than DH, but it’s not a lot and obviously a good number of the characters in Fringe are depicted more much in greys then then are in black and white.”
The FX show Damages is a lot like that, too!
I do believe that TSCC would have gotten better ratings if it had been aired at 9pm in the Dollhouse timeslot. I don’t necessarily believe that the ratings would have been good enough for renewal since even though I watched & liked TSCC it had some severe problems in the 2nd season. I don’t think that a TV series where violence is a huge element of storyline is going to do well being aired in an 8pm timeslot. A lot of the blame for the problems with both TSCC and Dollhouse I put on their creators.
With TSCC, the pace of the 2nd season, taking most of the focus off of Cameron (The Terminator), bad addition of characters such as Riley, Jesse, Catherine Weaver, excessive time travel confusion and alternate timeline mess, and way too much focus on Sarah Connor that’s on Friedman. What I’ll never understand is why he changed the show so dramatically the 2nd season after it did well in the 1st season.
With Dollhouse, Joss Whedon needed to have refined his concept of the show in my opinion, to have made people in the Dollhouse at least rootable like on La Femme Nikita. Eliza Dushku can’t carry a show on her own and it needed to have been an ensemble from the get-go with less focus on her charcter and more on the other characters. To me the other characters that were dolls were all way more interesting than the Echo character. Alan Tudyk was more dynamic in 2 episodes than Tahmoh Penniket in 12 of them. There was some bad casting on the show with actors who weren’t strong enough for their roles. Pimping out the dolls on a bunch of the shows was a huge turn-off for women viewers. Concepts such as date rape and being raped while drugged and unaware of it never were explorer. Unlike on La Femme Nikita, where they were fighting terrorists and protecting the world, the sole purpose on Dollhouse seemed to be just for the money. It seemed like when the show did come up with an interesting concept that they just dropped it – like being able to live for a while in a doll after dying.
Since the demo ratings equate to ad dollars, that’s the bottom line. Regardless of whether or not I personally love a show, if the ratings stink, it will end up getting cancelled since the networks are businesses that put on shows in order to make a profit.
What does surprise me is that network picked up Dollhouse’s pilot in the state that it was in without major retooling of the show’s premise and concept.
Well said Robert.
One of the reasons I think people like Ghost Whisperer is because it’s down to earth. Back in the 90s, being “cutting edge” on American TV was cool, and being cutting edge meant using a lot of sex and violence in TV shows. And while it was cool back then, every single show thinks they have to use those things over and over and over nowadays to be “cutting edge” and it just becomes repetitive. I enjoy a little bit of Entourage and Californication a little once in a while, but I think the appeal of Ghost Whisperer is that while it does have some sex and violence, it doesn’t overdo it, and it stays grounded, and that’s what people need in this world I think. Why do we need so much scandalized crap on serialized dramas and reality shows when we see that in the news every single day or even in our daily lives?
I think Ghost Whisperer only has appeal for people who despite the crap in this world still have a conscience and a soul, and that’s an achievement in itself in the world we’re living in.
@Genaro
I will not make any responses about post on my sites here, this is TBTN.
I am not acting like an authority, I just have the ability to read the numbers as posted by Robert. You just don’t like the reality of the situation and it is obvious which one of the groups you are in.
Okay, I will spot you the 3.55 million instead of the 3.0 million, that’s still pathetic in broadcast TV terms.
Not enough TSCC viewers is why the show died. No other reason.
Same for DH.
Fridays, DVR, TBTN or phases of the moon didn’t kill it.
Lack of interest did.
Isabel,
There are a couple of sentences that you write in which, due to your sentence construction, I am uncertain as to what you are attempting to say. But I do have the impression that I pity you.
I think that most people have their emotional needs met in their real lives and they form their moral compasses somewhere other than Television. I guess that if TV is all that you have in your life then it would make sense for you to gravitate towards programs that can meet the needs that you have no other way to fill, but if that is the case then I sincerely hope that you do not represent the norm for the sake of our society. Whether you do or do not, then I quite hope that you might give some thought to spending time with real people who actually do have “souls” and “consciences” rather than trying to find that traits in fictional personalities.
Personally, I particularly enjoy watching shows in which there is no character that has any emotional resonance for me, as it makes it quite easy to view the program and each character’s actions without bias and as purely an intellectual exercise. I look to programs that have a noteworthy element to them, whether that is an interesting story, talented acting or some other compelling aspect. I will just as easily watch a G-Rated movie as an R-rated one, all that matters to me is how much I think that I might get out of a program.
If nothing else, I hope that you can understand that not everyone views TV and it’s purpose in the same way as you seem to do.
Thanks for the suggestion Fringefan.
Okay, I will spot you the 3.55 million instead of the 3.0 million, that’s still pathetic in broadcast TV terms.
Not enough TSCC viewers is why the show died. No other reason.
Same for DH.
Fridays, DVR, TBTN or phases of the moon didn’t kill it.
Lack of interest did.
I completely agree with Lanie Grace about the above.
TSCC Season 3 Here We Go!
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it’s pathetic but so is making up stories/scoops and posting them on your site just to generate traffic. now that’s pathetic… talking about you Lanie.
Actually, I stated that I didn’t think the show would come back and I’m ok with that; I’m not voting on websites, sending letters to the respective companies, Et cetera. It didn’t generate enough ratings wise and I blame that not on a narrow fan-base but because of the direction of Friedman.
The problem I have is that, without equivocation, you rely on “sources” indicating that it’s going to be canceled and yet those “sources” have proven to be inconclusive at best. Simply put, you have just as much of a vested interest in the outcome of the show. Hence you continue to say “SERIES finale” and “end of the series.”
“I will not make any responses about post on my sites here, this is TBTN.” Ok, but don’t you think you should have response to that on your website then? Is it not an issue that besmirches your reputation?
Aww Lanie and Robert agree. How cute! And shockingly surprising! They have so much in common, hopelessly pretending to be journalists and all…
I hope TSCC proves you wrong in the face.
Lanie and Robert are two different things. Lanie is a Web site promoter, Robert is a TV numbers guy.
Lanie is trying to generate buzz for her clients. Robert is trying to run a facts-based Web site (although I’m sure he loves the Chuck buzz here!)
TSCC is dead regardless of what either one of them says or does. This was pretty obvious as the move to Fridays was an attempt to save the show, not kill it. Once it kept failing on Fridays, it was a foregone conclusion it was done for. Nothing the last few episodes did could have saved it, barring a jump in viewers and demo to something like 6 million and a 3.0. And the last episodes really weren’t any better than the rest of the season except for the pacing. Same massive plot holes, same bad characterization, same lack of realism.
A week from today, TSCC and Dollhouse will be officially dead. Let the brickbats fall on the heads of Josh Friedman (and Joss Whedon to a much lesser degree for Dollhouse), not Robert or Lanie.
What world are you living in to think moving a show to Friday is an attempt to save a show. Friday and Saturday are considered death nights on the major networks often times shows go there to die not to survive. Every once in a while a network gets lucky but often times shows run their course and disappear to be replaced by the next death night victim.
Kind of ironic talking about realism with SciFi shows.
@ Brian D
Using your own logic in this case, if FOX moved TSCC to Fridays to die that means they gave up on it, i.e., cancelled it back in December 2008.
That’s what I have been saying all along and I do appreciate the TerminatorWiki validation and your support.
I don’t view it as an automatic cancellation as they’re at least giving it a chance to go down fighting but the chance is rather slim when your moved to one of those nights that your going to survive. We’ve seen this over the years only a few shows have survived the move or on those nights in general. I think Flashpoint could be considered an exception to the rule as it started out on Friday did fine was given a life to thrive on Thursday but didn’t really take advantage of it and ended up back on Friday again with similar if not better numbers then Thursday.
Wednesdays and Saturdays will now be officially boring without Fringe (at least until September) and Dollhouse (Forever) on this site!
Lanie Grace, in what way has the TerminatorWiki validated you? I just checked and that wiki currently has 10235 registered members, and yet you claim that TSCC has no more than 100 online fans. What validation are you talking about? Also, does anything you write ever make sense?
@Wess
Have someone read my comment to you very slowly, I said 100 or so ACTIVE members…
Yes there are 10K+ members, but it is the same 100 or so that are active.
That was my point and since numbers obviously confuse you, I see why you are having an issue digesting the data here on TBTN.
~Lanie~