Sources confirm that not only has FOX officially passed on renewing Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles, it’s even dead as far as Warner Brothers is concerned and they are no longer shopping it to other networks.
While this is hardly a surprise and some web sites have been reporting this cancellation for literally months now, given FOX’s surprise (to us and pretty much everyone but Joss Whedon’s Biggest Fan) renewal of Dollhouse on Friday, some might have still been hopeful.
I’m sure the fandoms will be in a tizzy over this, especially with the Dollhouse renewal, but it is what it is. By the way, the notion from some of the fans that we were ever out to get TSCC or Dollhouse, or any other show (OK, Bill might have it in for CW’s Privileged, but that’s another story) was always ludicrous. We thought it would be canceled, and it was, but we thought Dollhouse would be canceled and it wasn’t. And we’re not at all unhappy Dollhouse will be back. Confused perhaps, but not unhappy. We’d have been thrilled if TSCC pulled off the miracle too. But it didn’t.
To quote Dr. McCoy, “It’s dead, Jim.”
Update 5/18/09: Josh Friedman on the cancellation.
Damn.
I’ve been sanguine about this since the series finale, but then I saw JWEggers trailer and let my hopes rise. And now they’re once again dashed against the rocks of dismal ratings! Stupid people who don’t watch good TV!
These guys keep hijacking CHUCK and DOLLHOUSE threads and they get their own to bitch about how stupid FOX is or how stupid Friedman is/was, and they’re no where to be found.
Nick, in fairness, the post has been up for about 2 minutes. i’m confident they will find it sooner or later!
robert do you have the site all button upped because well tscc i think were the fans crashing it the most or as the poll showed cheatin in the polls
@Nick C,
Wow, I hope everyone’s as sympathetic when a show *you* enjoy is cancelled. For the record, I’m happy about CHUCK and DOLLHOUSE, but I enjoyed T:SCC and wish it had been renewed also.
If this is true, I’m completely crushed.
-Lost
@Travis: I would not look for any polls on our site in the next week, or perhaps ever. Perhaps homage to Summer Glau in haiku though…
Robert, that may be… but I’m disappointed that you couldn’t find some sexy picture of Summer and had to go with Cromartie. Shame on you.
MockingbirdGirl, I didn’t mean it as an afront to any fan of the show. However here they get a thread all to themselves to bitch about whose fault it was. That is all I’m saying. That or plan some amazing Save Our Show campaign.
I know what they should do: Let Warner know that they’ll all go and see TERMINATOR 4 on Friday to show their support for the franchise. When TERMINATOR 4 makes money it’s because of them!
Just make sure they send in their ticket receipts!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I HATE FOX. THOSE MOTHERUCKERS!!! AAARGHHH!!!
Will do robert.All i know is im just happy i have a site that reports the good and the bad news concerning shows.
Goodbye Fox
Hagi, you might have a campaign there if you can convince every Nielsen owner who happens to watch AMERICAN IDOL to boycott with you!
Not really a surprise.
TSCC HAD its second chance, which Dollhouse is now getting. The show tanked and despite quite a few entertaining moments, there is no sense (business or otherwise) to keep it around.
IMO, it did go out with a bang though. I thoroughly enjoyed the finale.
I am pretty sure Dollhouse renewal was a huge surprise to most Whedon fans..maybe a bigger surprise than to others.
slightly disappointed tscc is canceled , next season could have been interesting.
wow the guy in the pic kills shows
on Life—– cancelled
on this show—- cancelled
he seems to be a great actor
If this is true, I’m boycotting Fox… Seriously… one star to all the other crappy shows…
@MNIS: Deadwood – cancelled
MNIS, lets not forget he was on DEADWOOD (way prematurely canceled) and that surfer show on HBO that lasted only one season…
Easy now! Garret Dillahunt will…be back. Besides, he was on Damages for four episodes in season one and it had a season two.
The 4400 as well.
the folks on terminator wiki still refuse to believe that cancellation is a possibility. it’s like trying to flip a light switch with a freight train.
Ausiello is reporting it now as well.
Notty22 gives out a shout out to all the Jamerons, Cameron is now dead forever. She will never say “please explain” again. Jameron was a insult to Terminator.
I know this has been said before but notty22 is a idiot.Its “Thank you for explanining” moron.
With TVBTN, EW, Ausiello and Hollywood Reporter all calling it Cancelled, I think we can assume the info is correct. Levin Rambin aka Reilly has tweeted that it is offcial on her twitter. The first known admission from a cast memeber and can you believe the TSCC Fanboys over at Terminator Wiki are calling her a “non-credible” source LOL
The wiki members are going to crucify every source , one after another. Now the official cancellation is not official enough. When they do get a fox web posting, they will claim thats not the official department to make that call. Then when JF states the Fox official notice from the official department is official. They will claim that unofficially the show might still come back. And whoever disagrees is trolling and looking for web hits.
Just watch Terminator: Salvation
bah, I’ve been reporting it since March. Fans are fans. Friedman killed the show, but the Brand is about to become much more healthy. So the fans may get to rejoice about other projects later.
It started off fairly well, Fox did give it a second chance when things went south, I think there’s little to criticize here as far as Fox is concerned. I’m disappointed the show deteriorated in the second season: had they continued in the same vein as the first, I would have loved it to continue.
What I’m bracing myself for is that for some reason, looking at the forums, the fans are blaming Dollhouse and the Dollhouse fanbase for this, which is… bizarre.
squiggleslash, they should be upset with Friedman and only Friedman.
Robert,
TVBTN now holds the number 4 spot on Google for the term “Terminator Cancelled”. You also have a site pic and site link. EXCELLENT.
I have held the number one spot for that search term for 7 weeks straight, but I expect you to knock me off in a couple of hours. I originally posted this story on March 27 aboutt he same time as Nick C.
We need a trusted Digg poster to submit it.
~Lanie~
If THIS is true, FOX just lost my viewership for a LONG TIME. And this is coming from a dedicated viewer of 24 too. I’ve watched Dollhouse ONLY because its on after TSCC. Unfortunately, Dollhouse isn’t even HALF as good a show as TSCC and ITS getting RENEWED for another season?! UNBELIEVABLE!!! I like a lot of Joss Whedon’s previous shows, but Dollhouse has got to be one of, if not THE WEAKEST show he has ever written. Evidently Fox values T&A over intelligent storylines. And Dollhouse’s numbers were lower than TSCC! The math doesn’t even add up here. And with the resurrected Terminator movie franchise launching in a few of days too, TSCC STILL gets canceled? WHAT A BUNCH OF IDIOTS! This TOTALLY sounds like internal politics to me. It’s the only LOGICAL explantion BYE BYE FOX! It’s been REAL…
By “sources” you mean Ausiello. Glau will rise again, heretic.
Name your “sources” or it didn’t happen.
And don’t say Ausiello, as he is just trying to drum up hits on his site.
@Kirk Anos
The math adds real well
Dollhouse makes money because it is inhouse and therefore dirt cheap to produce. TSCC loses money and always has since day one because of the extremely high production cost over at WB.
DH has financial stability and TSCC is a stable loss. Simple math really.
Ratings matter, but the bottom line is THE BOTTOM line.
Nick C,
Do you know if Fox is bringing back “Secret Millionaire”? Seems like it did well in ratings.
What are the chances of Warner Bros. TV doing another Terminator TV series in the near future?
“To quote Dr. McCoy, “It’s dead, Jim.””
To quote JJ Abrams: That’s another timeline!
How the hell did Dollhouse gets renewed and TSSC doesn’t? Fox, not fair at all!! I agree with Kirk! Stupid move…
I must admit I was holding out hope, since Dollhouse was mostly terrible and got renewed. How sad that Dollhouse is getting more episodes than Firefly. The universe has no justice.
TSCC, I will miss you. One of the very few shows with good serial story-telling started on network tv in recent years.
How can they cancel this when a new Terminator movie is about to be released worldwide?!
That just great.
And I always thought Fox abhorred communism.
My source was not Ausiello, though any of that is irrelevant to the show’s fate.
Lanie, we’re #4 by virtue of how Organic Google slots “Google News”, where somehow we were first with the story. We would be #4 anyway I suppose but with a different post, and without the picture. I am not sure they will bump the Google News listing up higher in organic search.
It’s probably just because I’m old, but I’ve never really paid any attention to deliberately trying to draw Digg links. We’re fine if people Digg our posts and a prominent Digg would of course create a huge spike, but we’ve really never been too interested in focusing on acquiring traffic that way. I know a lot of sites are, and we might be dumb for not giving that any focus, but we don’t.
Nick C – completely agree.
I’m fairly unhappy with this, but not with Fox. I cannot tell you how much I enjoyed the first season. I raved about it to everyone I knew. I really would like to know what the hell happened.
The whole thing was like one of those Internet trolls where someone posts to a forum saying something like “I found some helpful information _here_”, and you click on the link, and it’s a picture of… goatse, tubgirl, etc. This time the switcheroo was with a TV show.
I’m not angry with Josh. I don’t think he ever intended for this, I just don’t think he was the right person to do this. However unlikely, I hope Josh Friedman gets another chance in the future, because as long as he learns from this mistake, then I genuinely think he can do a good job. He proved that with the first season. But he has to be aware of what he did wrong.
Unconfirmed source at Fox claiming SCC renewed for 13 episodes on Friday nights.
http://twitter.com/savethescc/status/1831422336
Sorry to anyone who lost a show they really loved, but on my side of this, at least Brian Austin Green would definitely be able to join Body Politic if it actually gets picked up. Which I’m doubting a lot now but still hoping for.
if any of you guys wasnt some hardcore entertainment, check out the terminator wiki chatbox! it’s so fun I may puke!
Just a question.
What sources comfirm this?
I’m a devoted fan of the show and a skeptical.
And I still have hope.
I wonder what they’ll run with Dollhouse…
Somebody over at FOX/WB must have jerked Levin Rambin’s chains, she has amended her twitter to say, “She knows nothing official” and the official annoucement comes tomorrow.
I don’t get why FOX has to cancel all the good shows. I am surprised the Simpsons and Family Guy are still on. They keep stupid crap like Prison Break and American Idol on, but when a good show comes along, boom gone.
between imdb and the wiki site terminator fans should have there own sitcom.
it’s the right decision. ratings didn’t support a renewal.
No!!!! fans will save the show now, fox sucks they cancel everything good
No one to blame but the writers, and possibly the casting for John Connor.
Why do you take such a successful concept and put a terminator in relationship counciling or stocking shelves at a youth shelter, or whatever other moronic storylines were used this season. As a male in the target demographic, I don’t care about that. I want the terminators to throw a knife and pin someone to a tree trunk, then say ’stick around’. How hard is it to channel Arnold Schwartzenegger?
The writers wasted a perfectly good concept. Kill young John Connor, use whoever mid-20’s Connor was, then see how much action you can pack into a reduced cost 13-episode third season. It is not rocket science. Make it a monster robot of the week show. I would pay to watch Lena Headey, Summer Glau, Brian Austin Green or Garret Dillahunt. Just do it right.
I KNEW this would be confirmed the minute my machine went down due to a power outage in my building all frickin’ DAY!
Same with the Chuck renewal! Both the same day I’m down all day! AAARGGGGHHH!
Summer Glau finally expresses her real opinion of Josh Friedman:
http://www.thinkhero.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/102011lg745e574kd5.jpg
First of all, why not use terminated instead of canceled?
Second of all, why not reveal your WB source? That one surprises me most.
After all of our efforts to save it, I’m just heartbroken.:(
@Scott
Analyze the ratings for Idol or Family Guy, and then compare them to TSCC. TV is a business, quality of show doesn’t matter.
Back to the cancellation, this is the least surprised i’ve ever been. Lol. I feel like Grey’s Anatomy had a better shot at being cancelled than TSCC did at coming back.
Very sad I won’t get to see Summer as a terminator again. I agree Friedman killed the show, he was lucky to get the back 9 order for the 2nd season and he still Fu*ked up! Friedman thinks he’s a genius but really is an idiot just like Tim Kring who also Fu*ked up Heroes (that show is so bad, it should have been axed last yr but luckily the 18-49 demo ratings saved his ass).
Friedman did give us a good season 2 finale but hate the cliffhanger as I won’t get to see what happens next.
Anyway I have far better shows to watch who have genius creators such as LOST.
I never got into this show, but with a new film this summer, I am sure that the franchise will go on.
……..Even Marc Cherry is a genius (creator of Desperate Housewives)
Geez, I’m the biggest fan of SCC, but to think that this site had it in for the show is insane. The ratings absolutely blew, there was no doubt it was going to be cancelled. I’ve been preparing for this for months now, it’s no surprise at all.
I’m heartbroken that we’re never going to see Cameron again, she was my favourite. But who knows if I’d ever get to see her again anyway (I’m not talking about Allison). Oh well, another show bites the dust. I’ll miss you, SCC.
Leven’s probably out of the loop and read the same reports we had. L-e-v-e-n, Lanie. It also depends if she is even under contract still, a gag order may not exist.
There’s still that empty slot on Fridays with Dollhouse again, probably for one of the new reality shows. THR thinks Fox is moving Human Target to a more lucrative night and time. Try not to bring that up over there on the Wiki…
Here’s to Summer and to bigger and better things.
The Wiki’s insane at the moment. And someone appears to be playing a practical joke
http://twitter.com/skynextpodcast/status/1831397852
The above Tweet is doing the rounds and it looks to me like more people there are convinced the above is true than that the show’s been canceled.
After some of the things FOX renewed this season, would anybody have been surprised if this, too, was one of them?
Even though I consider some of said things a waste of resources and upfront time, I look on the bright side. The “Terminator” fanboydom — who have been cursing out this site here, there and everywhere for months now — can now go cry that a) TVBTN got something correct, and b) another show got picked up instead, while I get to look forward to another year of Joss’ Biggest Fan posts. AND there’s always the possibility the network will pull a “Tru Calling” on Miss Dushku for the second time. It’s a win/win/win.
I truly cannot believe in this!
I know a lot of fans of the show in Europe where I am, of course this does not matter to Fox as long as they only care about the audience in the US, however this show really has a fanbase a bit all over the world (as well as Terminator – the movies)
Really disappointed…
The part that shocks me the most is the absolute surprise some of the fans are extolling and going chaotic over. They act like several websites didn’t report this months ago. This is not new information, it is only a confirmation of a long time known fact.
This site, TVBTN reported it on March 05 and had one of my favorite comebacks for the hecklers
“Knight Rider will be canceled. So will Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles. That’s as easy to predict as predicting that the Detroit Lions weren’t going to go to the Super Bowl once they were 0-10.”
Robert was wrong in one way, The Detroit Lions will be back next season ! LOL
Locutus – if by “Warner source” you mean person who told TBTN that Warner isn’t going to sell the show to anyone else, then that might well be Josh Friedman, as he said the same thing yesterday.
Link: http://terminatorwiki.fox.com/thread/2839280/Ashley+Edward+Miller+and+Josh+Friedman+on+savethescc.com+chat+%3F!?offset=60&maxResults=20
If you mean “person who told TBTN that Fox canceled the show”, well, I don’t see anything above implying it’s some guy at Warner, but I may have missed something.
If this is true, SkyNet (read Google) taking over the world will be well deserved.
NOOOOOOO!!!
Lanie Grace – well, sure, some websites reported it a few months ago, but, well, the problem was that one or two went further, and claimed to have absolute proof that the show had been canceled and it turned out they were talking complete rubbish. Like one awful site I read, I forget the name, that claimed that the site’s author had gone to the Warner set, and been told the reason the T:SCC sets had been torn down was because the show had been canceled.
Unfortunately, the fact that one or two websites posted these claims, were hyped, and were subsequently discredited, meant that many T:SCC fans were convinced that ALL the reports that T:SCC was likely to encounter problems being renewed were bogus.
I may be pissed at the flaming I’ve had from them over the last forty eight hours, but I’d be the first to admit that T:SCC fans have been played to a degree I haven’t seen science fiction fans played. They’ve been stuck between blogs ridiculing them and the T:SCC producers themselves who must have known this was coming but fanned the fires anyway.
What ever happened to great scifi. At least they could do is wait until after the opening of Terminator Salvation. Fox might be surprised how many fans truly love the whole franchise and how many fans it will garnish. And who gives a flip about Dollhouse or Prison Break?!?
OK, well just move Summer Glau to Dollhouse, so we can watch her kick ass there.
A lot of people give a “flip” about Dollhouse and Prison Break. Every show has its fans. Don’t blame Dollhouse for this. I really enjoyed T:SCC, but it wasn’t going to make it. Dollhouse is owned by 20th Century, which definitely improved its chances for a comeback.
If anyone, blame WB for not shopping it around to others.
Yeah, on the bright side it does less of notty/Lanie Grace. Friedman screwed up big, but to suggest the producer wanted the show to fail and everyone to be fired is just troll mongering. Then suggesting that his motive was to kill Cameron because she was too popular was just nuts. If Lanie was a Summer fan she’d pick up on the comments from the actress herself. Cameron would have returned, Friedman wasn’t destroying the character to destroy the show’s chances.
@Tyler, “If anyone, blame WB for not shopping it around to others.”
I’m sure they shopped it, but not surprised it didn’t make the trade news.
Prison Break? That was cancelled too months ago, wasn’t it?
Fox can go fuck themselves.
DOUCHE BAGS! Fox is so stupid
I’m mad they cancelled Firefly!!
Oh look the foul mouthed children showed up.
@squiggleslash
The sets were indeed tore down and removed when I went there and I was indeed told by a TSCC insider it was because the series was cancelled and now apparently that was correct. I was later told by a WB employee the same thing. The infamous April fools video was filmed in early February BTW.
After my post hit about 100K hits in less than two days, I was contacted by Ausiello’s staff who asked for my source at WB. The source didn’t mind being given up to EW and when EW verified the sets were down and the source was VERY reliable, they ran with the story using almost the same intro I did, citing the very exact same source and using the same quotes.
Yes, the TSCC Fans were played by FOX/WB for a couple of reasons. They had three un-aired episodes left and a big budget movie to protect.
As time goes on you are going to learn the Friedman, Ashley Miller and the cast played all of you.
It wasn’t personal, it was just business.
Well, Summer may have believed Friedman if he told her Cameron would return, but odds are she’d have spent most of season 3 being Allison, only to get “killed” yet again in the finale to come back as Cameron – just so Friedman could sideline her for another season just to concentrate on his precious “Crazy Sarah”.
The reason we’re hearing this news now is that the T-4 premiere has been done. They don’t need to wait for after the opening weekend to announce. They’ve got their initial PR, so they’re announcing on a Sunday when nobody will even notice – except the fans of course. Then Fox will say nothing about it tomorrow during their upfronts.
They played it well, even got all the actors and staff to lie for them.
Squiggleslash: In defense of Lanie, my guess is those sets WERE torn down at that point. Ausiello said he’d been told they’d been “moved” – but he quipped something about hopefully not to the landfill. My opinion: yes, to the landfill. So she probably was right. Not that it mattered at all whether the sets were up or down because as everybody pointed out, all the sets used so far were basically dumped in the finale anyway.
OK, so now we know WB did not (successfully, anyway) shop the show anywhere else. I would STILL like to find out if WB still WANTS a Terminator series on TV and whether they are interested in a reboot.
As a big TSCC fan, I feel obligated to post but I don’t have much to say. I’m just sad. Well I guess I’m also proud of what everyone affiliated with the show produced. The passion the “crazy” TSCC fans showed validated the fact that their work resonated with people. Unfortunately, it didn’t resonate with enough people to justify its continuation when weighed against production costs. Such is life. Congrats to the cast and crew for an awesome show that meant a lot to a few.
This is extremely saddening, I was so curious to see where Season 3 would lead us, it had such a great set up for it.
Just boggles the mind with all the publicity this show will get from the movie that they wouldn’t give it another year. Who knows how many more viewers they would get from it?
Nick C shut your damn mouth. I’m so sick of you thinking you actually know something. Same thing with that hack Hack.
Congrats guys, you and this site played your part pushing bad PR to anyone who would listen about TSCC. Gotta love how you want to have sex with a show like Chuck, but will do whatever you can to drive Terminator into the ground.
As far as I’m concerned, this site’s just a second-rate opinion machine. I won’t be back, only possibly to point out how wrong you always are.
Stupid Fox. Terminator was the best. Especially 2nd Season and the Finalle was breathless. Even the dollhouse finalle wasnt that great compared to Terminator. Honestly If I had to choose between one or another I would have choose Terminator. Bad choice fox. Not saying I dont like Echo in Dollhouse but Cameron from Terminator was doing a wayyyyyy better job acting her role.
Announcing T:SCC cancellation by FOX on Monday probably isn’t something WB wants to see given the opening of the T4 movie this weekend. The cynical side of me says that the save T:SCC effort was manipulated as PR for the movie. I expect that they won’t even announce T:SCC cancellation on Monday when they announce the Fall schedule if they can avoid it. Instead T:SCC just won’t be on the schedule and they will say that they are looking into the possibility of bringing the show back in late Fall/Spring. Supposedly, WB subsidized the second season as PR in the first place.
i would trade doll house for sarah connor any day.
screw you fox. you seriously don’t know what you are doing.
i would trade dollhouse for sarah connor any day. seriously fox doesn’t know what they are doing. beyond the animated shows i no longer have a reason to watch the channel anymore. i tried dollhouse, but it was dreck, and now they spend sarah connors money on it? sorry, i’m not going to watch.
Well screw fox, from now on, its abc all the way!!! From this day on, no more fox shows, screw fox news, screw the 24 finale, i’ll jus illegaly download it.
Jericho – CANCELED. Invasion – CANCELED. Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles – CANCELED.
Television networks today are going for the lowest common denominator – which is the meth addict who didn’t finish high school. Anything that requires an IQ above room temperature to understand gets canceled, because there aren’t enough people left in the USA who “get it.” That’s why the next big show is going to be the NFL with guns – they’ll called “Shootball” – 6 points for crossing the goal, and the extra point for converting the quarterback into chunky salsa. Tweakers and video zombies will love it….
I cant believe FOX kept Dollhouse not TSCC…I like Joss Whedon,but Dollhouse really sucks.I think most of people prefer TSCC than Dollhouse.
@Dan
All TVBTN did was report the numbers, it’s ludicrous to think they had it out for TSCC. I can’t find anywhere on this site that it was campaigned against or called bad. Predictions were made on the numbers.
Besides you have BSG:The Plan and Caprica to look forward to, that should make you feel better. Lighten up!
Last I left Caprica, we had the Emo Princess Avatar downloaded into a Cylon body calling her friend on the cellphone saying she needed help. Presumebly the next episode will be “Emo Princess Cylon goes to the Mall” because all her old shoes no longer fit!
Who needs that silly Cam-bot anyway, we have Zoe Graystone now!
Time to pay my respects.
I won’t make this long. Things like this have been said countless times on this blog. I’m just one more person who can say that TSCC was more than just a TV show. But that doesn’t matter now, because it’s over. As sappy as it sounds, it’ll always hold a special place in my heart. I’ll stop there, cause I feel a tear coming on (hoo boy…)
And I want to defend Josh. Though he wasn’t perfect by any means, he did bring us this show and some of the best episodes of the series were written by him. He even created Cameron specifically for Summer. Smart man, hm? And btw to another previous comment, I think Thomas was perfect as John.
This chapter of my life has ended, but I’ll keep on reading. Terminator has always been a significant part of my life ever since I was 6. I’m 18 now. Salvation is just around the corner, and of course I’m excited for it. But I’ll always look back on TSCC with a smile on my face.
I just hope and pray that Summer will be in T5&T6 as she’s said
she’s been approached for. Would certainly make for a nice little treat in my books… Okay, it would freakin’ rule.
Lanie Grace? I’m sorry, I don’t talk to people who think they are news reporters.
I nominate Dan’s prior comment as the comment of the day.
Pure genius there. And by genius I mean laughably pathetic.
Crap, I mean Dan’s 2nd to prior comment (9:21pm). See, when he said he was LEAVING I figured he’d actually LEAVE so my comment would be accurate. My bad…
Tao,
Given that DH got higher ratings than TSCC when they both aired on Friday’s I think it’s safe to say that most people do not in fact prefer TSCC to DH.
I even campaigned for TSCC on my facebook page.
About all this trashing of season 2 – IMHO John Henry’s storyline represented the best SCI-FI on televsion – the scenes literally gave me goosebumps. I also ate up Shirlly Manson’s role. Yes, some of John’s girlfriend stuff was painful, but only because I so loved this show.
I really enjoyed when some webpost filled me in all the apparent Christian references which had flown right over my head, but that still did not stop me from digging a wild story with a compelling soundtrack, beautiful actors, computers searching for their souls and making me wonder about mine, I am very very very sad to see this show go.
Someone has to stick a needle in the patient and bring it back. The story line was excellent and I loved the way the story went. I thought it may conflict with T4 and I truly believe that it was bought to be killed. It was terminated by the machines.
I SAY FNISH THE STORY IN A BOOK!
People! Some compassion please for those who lost a loved one today! For you see, the fans of TSCC are all going through the five stages of grief. Some are at different stages than others…
1.) Denial – “NO! It’s not official yet! I have a rumor from so and so that says it’s still has a chance! Not until XXX network says so officially!”
2.) Anger – “Those Mother F-ing people at XXX network! They cancel all the good shows and just leave on the crap! I dont’ care if the other crap had better ratings, my show was the best!!! I’ll never watch XXX network again!!!”
3.) Bargaining – “If we just send X number of Item X, they’ll know we mean business and will bring back our show! Who’s with me!” (Us Chuck fans seems to jump right to this stage with the Subway thing for some reason)
4.) Depression – “Dammit! Now I have nothing to watch on X-day… *sniff* I guess I’ll just stop watching TV all together and go read a book or do something outside!”
5.) Acceptance – “Sigh… I guess it really is cancelled. All right, XXX network, what have you got for me this season? I have another hour to kill…”
And yes, I know this, because I too have been through these stages. And while I was not attached to TSCC like some of you were (I watched it, but I wasn’t a huge fan), I can sympathize.
I’m with Rob. I’m still pissed at Fox for cancelling Firefly.
IT’S NOT OVER UNTIL IT’S OVER!!! IM WAITING FOR THE FINAL WORD FROM FOX,I SICK AND TIRED OF ALL OUF YOU BLOGGERS WHO ARE JUST TRYING TO BEAT THE OTHER TO THE PUNCH POSTING THAT TSCC WAS CANCELLED,OOH YOUR POSTING IT ON YOUR BIG BAD BLOG,GUESS WHAT,EVERYOBODY AND THEIR LOOSER MOTHERS ARE!!!SO WHY DON’T YOU JUST SHUP UP AND WAIT FOR THE OFFICIAL WORD,CAN YOU DO THAT???
YOU ALSO SAID THAT DOLLHOUSE WAS DEAD AND BURRIED,GUESS WHAT?IT’S NOT,SO STOP PREDICTING CRAP ALREADY!!!
…and Jodie is currently experiencing the Anger stage, apparently.
Jodie77, We’ve seen this movie before. For many folks, even after it’s over, it’s not over.
@Catacang
Wha? Engrish really isn’t your first language, is it?
This blog is like a text-based reality show. There are a number of contestants (TV shows), all struggling for the prize (renewal). There are beloved contestants and hated contestant. There is controversy and surprising twists. There is elation and bitter disappointment. And there is a rabid fanbase supporting each contestant. Behold! The Internet-based reality show, Nielsen Idol!
At the rate predictions are going so far this year, nothing’s over until Fox says it. I’m reading conflicting reports tonight, so we’ll find out tomorrow.
I love TSCC and the second season was great. A couple of down episodes here and there, but overall it was one of only 4 shows I made time for last year along with Mad Men, Lost, and the Office. In my opinion it’s every bit as good as those shows even if it didn’t find the audience something like Lost did. Firefly’s 14 episodes might be the best collection for any show I’ve ever seen and nobody watched that either. Heck, I didn’t watch it until it aired in reruns on Universal’s HD network a few years ago.
And I’ll give more support to Josh Friedman. Whatever some other people say, I thought he did a great job and put out a high quality show. I wasn’t interested in TSCC until I actually saw it, and I probably wouldn’t have been interested in the new movie if TSCC hadn’t rekindled my interest in the franchise. Whatever Friedman works on next, I’ll be watching it.
Once all shows have finished their Spring run, will there be a comprehensive list of every TV series that shows how the fate of each show compares to its renew/cancel index average?
Caven, I will definitely do a Renew/Cancel recap, likely by late this week.
I’m in total denial, but I don’t care. lol Until it’s officially posted on TheFutonCritic.com, I’m still going to hold out hope.
Good-bye Fox!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FOX IS DEAD TO ME! DEAD!
WTF!@!@! This is HORRIBLE HORRIBLE news that I am not willing to accept!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!
If this is true, I will never watch FOX again and I will make it a point to pirate everything they make!
Fox execs freaking sicken me. This is a catastrophe of epic proportions!
Gtg remove everything Fox from my DVR!
FUCK YOU FOX!!!
This comes as a big disappointment to me… very sad. DAMN IT!!
I’m in the denial stage.
I loved T:SCC, but it’s like this: no one watched it.
Anyone remember Key West? The Adventures of Brisco County, Jr.? Yeah, that’s right, no one watched them either.
Oh god, a very long shot but Summer Glau in dollhouse, just go for it please.
“I loved T:SCC, but it’s like this: no one watched it.”
Unfortunately, what people watch is no reflection on how good a show is. People watch Dancing with the Stars, even though it is stupid.
I’m just sad. Very sad. And i’m happy for other fans (Chuck, Dollhouse, FNL,…). But i can’t help it. F*** You FOX and F*** You Nielsen and F*** You Warner !
Sorry this story ” We are the only who understand the quality of a show while all the rest of pupulation is so stupid to watch terrible reality shows ” is becoming a little be boring …ask yourself why people in the demo of TSCC preferred to whatch anything else ( even stupid reality shows) but TSCC …maybe because TSCC was a bad show ?
I do not get completely the logic behind American TV biz , but the showrunner able to screw up a show based on a franchise with a HUGE potential like TERMINATOR should change type of job .
nope im waiting for the official fox scedule…im in denial i still think theres a chance…and if its cancelled..fuck you fox im never watching you again *spits at fox people*
History shows that 98% of all shows based on movies fail within the first two years – or less – some don’t even get past 13 weeks!
Hmm, I’m afraid to visit the TSCC wiki today. It’s probably total madness in there. Plus, I’m very likely targeted as a “Dollhouse sympathizer” or something in that direction. Been already receiving flak over the weekend for being happy about the DH renewal.
And I guess now TSCC fans have officially earned the title of “crazies”, following Jericho and Moonlight. I was hoping this wouldn’t happen. And the way things were during and after season 1, it probably wouldn’t. But many of those awesome people from back then simply disappeared over the course of season 2 (they very likely didn’t like the show anymore and just dropped it) and the new world order at the wiki was much less pleasant.
Oh well. I knew last week already and made peace with the fact that TSCC is not coming back, so I’m not at all bummed about it. Sad that my currently favorite show is gone, yes, but not totally bummed about it. As said, I had time to prepare for this, because I already accepted days ago we’d be canceled.
I would say for the TSCC fans “let them release their anger” if it weren’t for one thing: if they weren’t targeting Dollhouse fans. I won’t try to fight them in this (I very much doubt I’d have much success), but I won’t be giving them any support in any other matter either – I’ll probably be even further branded as “traitor to TSCC” because of that, but oh well. I’d rather distance myself from them and keep my sanity than to be seen as part of the “crazies.”
An addednum just to clarify: I’m not calling _all_ TSCC fans crazies – there are still great people among them. Just the Dollhouse bashers are the crazies. And I will reserve my right to call them that because I do *not* support their actions.
To whomever read this rather long post, thank you for your attention.
I’ll never understand why Dollhouse fans and TSCC fans had to be ennemies, anyway, so long to this great show, I’m already in Summer Glau withdrawal, that hurts
Ok so it’s cancelled, where does that leave us fans? Do we get a made for FX movie, an animated feature, a crappy comic…Fox you do realize that the finale was the biggest cliffhanger I’ve EVER seen?
I need closure, and I don’t see Salvation giving it to me. So unless Brian Austin Greene shows up a the end of Salvation fighting Shirley Manson, ur gonna have to to something here.
How about a straight to DVD final two hour closure? I’d make tons of money for all the fans who have to see the ending, there’s ur cash cow.
Lanie Grace:
“The part that shocks me the most is the absolute surprise some of the fans are extolling and going chaotic over. They act like several websites didn’t report this months ago. This is not new information, it is only a confirmation of a long time known fact.”
And may sites had the “fact” that Dollhouse was canceled. It doesn’t matter what random sites on the net write, only one source matters – and they hadn’t spoken.
Maz, don’t worry about Summer, she’s signed up for a movie. Ok, it’s different than watching her every week, but I’m at least very happy she has a job. This reminds me…
Nick C, sorry to bother you with this again, but do you now have the title (and potentially other info too) about Summer’s movie?
RSH – yes, we knew the sets were torn down. What Lanie did was take this nugget of truth and some rather obvious speculation and claimed that she’d been told the show had, actually, been canceled and that that was why the sets had been torn down.
The available evidence today is that while it was exceedingly unlikely that Fox had Warner had come to any final agreement at that point, and reports since then have talked about Warner shopping the show to other networks, neither of which fit with the original story. Indeed, the story about Warner shopping the show to other networks was told by none other than Lanie Grace herself, leading to the somewhat bizarre picture of Warner tearing down sets, not because T:SCC isn’t going to be made any more, but in a fit of pique because they’re annoyed at Fox, knowing they’re going to have to make them again if their negotiations work out with SyFy.
I don’t blame T:SCC fans for being pissed at her. Hell, I’m pissed at her, I was taken in initially too. But I saw the writing on the wall. What Grace did was clever. She looked at the same figures you and I did, saw T:SCC was almost certain to be canceled, knew it had a large fan base, and reported one fact (that the sets had been torn down) combined with speculation depicted as fact (that she’d been told it was because T:SCC is canceled.)
Like I said, T:SCC fans were played on all sides, which is probably why TBTN is getting such hate coverage on the Wiki at the moment despite the fact it’s been extremely coldly subjective throughout.
I’m from England and I watch a lot of US shows. I’m always disappointed with the studios because they seem to cancel good shows and still air reality TV shows that are so unappealing (apart from Project Runway hehe).
I have to admit that out of the three shows (TSCC, Chuck, Dollhouse), I was prepared for all three shows to get canceled. Really glad about Chuck and Dollhouse (although its not my favourite Whedon show – Firefly should have gotten a second season -fume-)
I’m hoping that they’ll do a 2hr ending of TSCC like someone above suggested (to lazily to scroll up and see who), because that was a great ending, and with time the cast and writers could have only improved on the show.
As for some TSCC fans getting heated up, they should aim their annoyance, anger and hurt towards the people who really deserve it, not other fans but the people/person who decided to axe the show in the first place.
I’m just happy that some of the shows I watch are getting picked up again.
Just wanted to drop by to relay my condolences to the TSCC fans. I never watched the show, but I know how it is to have a show you love yanked out from under you (“Pushing Daises,” sigh).
Watched TSCC but I dont care that its cancelled – overall it was a mess that never figured itself out. Plus there was way too much time travel and useless sub plots. Im hoping a series about events after T4 Salvation is developed to get ready for T5. If they do I hope they severely restrict time travel and make it about beating the crap out of SKYNET. Such a series would be better suited for cable.
@Dick Necker
No, it isn’t. Thank you for noticing.
Im sorry for TSCC, but it was obvious; this year was a bloodbath for my shows : TSCC, Eli Stone, Dirty Sexy Money, the only good news is chuck and i can enjoy Castle; but with all this reality crap show, next year i will not start watching new shows i dont wanna be disappointed..its time to buy some books
NNOOOOO
I saw this coming, but really, im gutted.
I was reading a site i go on about tv shows and stuff, and the people there have no idea what they are talking about, they are saying Dollhouse slaughters TSCC in DVR numbers and while they were both on Dollhouse got millions more viewers than TSCC,
lol. If only they knew that Dollhouse all-time series low was the latest episode they aired and was lower than TSCC all-time low.
O well, guess Dexter/Caprica/True Blood/Stargate Universe/Lost will keep me going lol, no BSG either
The loopy renewal train had to stop at sanity station sometime.
I was bummed about Life, but TSCC being canceled is definately the biggest disappointment of this TV season. It was one of a handful of shows I was sure not to miss an episode. Not trying to alientate fans of the following shows, but how does Fox justify Lie to Me or Dollhouse pickups? I know it’s a matter of taste but to me, the wrong shows are getting the ax.
I help out hope until the very end.
Especially with Dollhouse’s renewal (which pisses me off!)
I hold grudges. I hope Dollhouse’s numbers plummet.
Oh wait – they can’t!
NO DAMN IT NOOOOOO!!!!!
Allara – in three or four years time, there’ll be no science fiction on TV, because T:SCC fans successfully attacked Dollhouse fans, then the two ganged up to attack Chuck, then the three ganged up to attack Fringe, then the four ganged up to attack {whatever’s left.}
Knock it off if you don’t want network TV to be a reality show wasteland. As it is, we lost the Sci-Fi channel to pro-wrestling and alligator movies a long time ago. It can only get worse if T:SCC fans set the bar even lower than that set by Firefly fans many years ago.
squiggleslash, excellent point about the “Lanie Grace” site. But you forgot all the other mistakes she made, such as insisting that the Nielsen ratings included airings of TSCC in the UK and worldwide!
Also, anyone who checks the Wayback Machine will find that “her” website was started in 2007 by a guy called “Dan” talking about how he’d just got a mail order bride from the Philippines called “Lanie”
So I suspect calling Lanie “Her” might be incorrect…
squiggleslash, what the hell are you talking about? Dollhouse fans attacked TSCC first claiming it was ruining their ratings and asking FOX for a ‘better’ lead-in, just to finish far lower than TSCC with their new lead-in. Dollhouse is a pathetic excuse for a show, Whedon sold out absolutely everything for a few more episodes, and it makes me sick to my stomach that a great show like TSCC is being pushed under the bus. Devastating….
Come on David Jones this is actually gossip that really does not change anything … Actually she was not wrong …TSCC was cancelled !!
JJ – how does Dollhouse fans bemoaning the fact that Dollhouse had been paired with a show that had lousy ratings consistute Dollhouse fans attacking Fox for showing T:SCC, or worse, attacking T:SCC fans?
I must have missed that thread where Dollhouse fans were encouraging each other to, say, post negative reviews of T:SCC on Amazon.com, etc.
T:SCC has been canceled. Your choices right now are to attack an unrelated science fiction show in a fit of pique because some people pointed out the obvious: the pairing of T:SCC with Dollhouse was one factor that hurt the latter’s ratings, and continue this attack until all the networks swear off science fiction for good, or to behave like a rational adult.
Your choice.
DH, it was very likely that TSCC would be cancelled, anyone could run with this, make up some “inside information” and present it as fact and then claim to be right when it happened.
“She” also posted the “leaked” script for the season finale, but quickly took that down when the actual episode was nothing like that.
“She” guessed right, and is now using that to claim insider knowledge, hoping everyone forgets all the mistakes “she” made.
Well…and result is ? TSCC is out , finished , dead , andato …are you seriously trying to tell me that Lanie Grace is the reason for this ??? Seriously ????
There was no support even form the cast of TSCC …. I have seen the last video posted form Dekker …what a crap !!!
@JJ: Ah, the classic “He did it first!” tactic. But you see, that does not give you the right to act the same way or even worse. Because what’s coming from some TSCC fans *is* worse. A lot worse. I’ve been at the Dollhouse wiki since DH started. And I can tell you the cries for a different lead-in were very few and quickly blew over. But doesn’t matter anyway, because you should be the mature one and not childishly hang on to that and use it as excuse to act even more childish and arrogant. What some TSCC folks are doing now is a lot worse: like what squiggleslash mentioned – downrating Dollhouse at Amazon… I mean, WTF??? How exactly does that help TSCC? It merely furthers the TSCC-fans = crazies mantra. And hurts sci-fi in general.
UH, where did I say “she” was responsible for the show being cancelled?
UH, what are you on about? Straw-man anyone? Either that or what you’re saying makes no sense.
Fact is, there were tons of mistakes in Lanie’s first article. She corrected some after I pointed them out, but some still remained – like her claim that the ratings included worldwide viewing. Yeah TSCC really got canceled. But that does not give any credibility to Lanie. She blew that by posting that fake leaked review.
That’s my point David Jones … what is the reason to spit out shit on this person ( better ? ) now that TSCC is gone and for A LOT of other reasons (and the first reason, you like it or not, is that JF made a lost of shit on this show )
Gusar …the internet is full of people claiming a lot of things and so ? what ? Once we arrive to the point that Lanie grace is not a good insider ? What does it change for you TSCC fans ? And the reason for personal attacks ? ( she is not a girl , she was a ordered bride and so on …) Sorry guys this is pathetic and the reason why you lost a lot of support from the rest of fandom….
So I didn’t say “she” was responsible? But your point still stands?
UH – Try reading the thread. We were talking about the various reasons why T:SCC seems to have some hard core fans who are a little bit nutty right now. By posting at least three bogus articles (the original “canceled” thing, the follow up claims of WB shopping around, and the final “Finale script”) she caused a spectacular amount of ill-will.
Frankly, she’s the most successful troll since Goatse.
that sucks
was hoping for another rabbit out of the hat network miracle
al la chuck dollhouse etc
but i knew of all of those
this show would have been the one with the worst prospects to live
i disagree with others that the story was dead or that it was killed on purpose by the producer-or that it conflicts with terminator canon
one thing about scifi-canon can be changed and altered as NOTHING is set in reality
too bad i liked the ending
made me want to see more and where they could take it
that said me being a fan and all
the numbers didnt work for renewel
too bad
just another show i was invested in and got canceled
arrgh
Lanie Grace:
“The part that shocks me the most is the absolute surprise some of the fans are extolling and going chaotic over. They act like several websites didn’t report this months ago. This is not new information, it is only a confirmation of a long time known fact.”
And may sites had the “fact” that Dollhouse was canacled. It doesn’t matter what random sites on the net write, only one source matters – and they hadn’t spoken to the public.
“The sets were indeed tore down and removed ”
Which sets? Seems to me most were random towns. Was it Scottish terminators house?
“It wasn’t personal, it was just business.”
And that’s why people hate them.
“Besides you have BSG:The Plan and Caprica to look forward to”
Caprica is nothing to look forward to
Richard Steven Hack:
“I would STILL like to find out if WB still WANTS a Terminator series on TV and whether they are interested in a reboot.”
I wonder if its a format that could work. Long before TSCC was even shooting, I remember mentioning the upcomming series to different people, and NOT ONE thought this was a good idea. All were “oh that’s going to be crap”. Perhaps Robot of the week was for the seventies.
Vince :
“People! Some compassion please for those who lost a loved one today! ”
Sure. While I could have wished for a different type of show, i have no need to put it or its fans down. What is real in relation to tv are the emotions which are born in people, and a modicum of respect should be shown for that.
Wooow replace the ONLY show worth watching on Fridays with Dullhouse and Human Douchebag???
FOX = DEAD.
FOX, have you completely lost your mind…Dollhouse & NOT TERMINATOR???!!! I’ve officially lost all respect for television.
Someone at fox must have a huge hardon for eliza ducheku, because if anything that show got lower rating that terminator. This is such an outrage! The only other reason is i guess they agreed to make season two on a shoestring budget, but there will never be a season three (unless they completely overhaul the show); the show is just not good! I tried so hard to like dullhouse but i just could never stay awake for a full episode; maybe fox is trying to compete with ambien and lunesta–if this is the case good move.
garret dillahunt’s twitter confirms it, as well. RIP Sarah Connor. A noble effort.
Anyone who thinks calling the show “Dullhouse” is witty… it’s not. It only makes you sound like a fool. Harsh, yes, but what I first intended to write was a lot harsher.
@PhiloBeddo: Got a link? Not that I don’t believe you, I’d just like a link to Garret’s twitter.
Where are your sources from Robert??
I like the Sarah Connor Chronicles enough to focus on figuring out a way to get the show back on a Summer schedule and a Fall schedule. Notice that I said “a” schedule not the schedule. I don’t care whether it is FOX or some other network.
Can’t somebody here report the details on how the show was shopped around? I need that info for an article I may write. Thanks if anyone can help.
Amen to the person who mentioned “Crazy Sarah” stories. Enough of those.
Science fiction? Give up on that. I like some science fiction and have read it since I was a child but I am rational enough to notice that the rest of the world hates science fiction. Lost has succeeded because Joe Sixpack doesn’t know it is science fiction. JJ Abrams figured that out after Alias. Don’t get the label “science fiction” hung around your neck or you’re dead. I never ever told my friends that the Sarah Connor Chronicles was science fiction because I cared enough about the show to try to help it out. Action, soap opera, mystery, detective, cop show, I don’t care what label they slap on the show as long as it is not “science fiction.” The people here who said science fiction is dying on television are exactly right.
Again, I am not interested in attacking anyone or being attacked. I am focused on resurrecting SCC for purely personal reasons: I want to know what happens to Savannah Weaver next. I want to know if Ms. Weaver returns to April 2009 and point blank asks Ellison if they can make it as a couple married or otherwise. He’s a born-again Christian and she’s a mass murderess, a T-1001, a sex-changer, a man-hater, and, by the way, also happened to have Ellison’s death certificate already made out until John-Henry discovered it and asked her not to kill Ellison (the closest thing John-Henry has to a father). If that were not enough, Ms. Weaver also happens to love her human daughter (unlike that b*tch Sarah Connor who hates her machine daughter) and gives several indications of falling in love with Ellison. [one producer of the show even acknowledged that the Ellison and Weaver act like a quarreling couple]. I want to know what Agent Aldridge does next. Will he destroy his FBI career like Ellison? Will somebody on this show simply go over to Cyberdyne and kill Skynet? Will Judgment Day be permanently stopped and we find Young John stranded in one timeline?
I really don’t care about the post-Apocalyptic future beyond being sure that Cameron gets built. In the real world, I hope to avoid nukes and the poisoning of the planet. Did anyone notice the pool of toxic waste that killed the cattle in one episode before the Kaliba predator drone came up out of it? A mini-flying sub. Do they even have that in the Terminator movies? I doubt it. SCC is better than the Terminator movies. That’s my opinion and I’m sure I’m alone in that opinion.
Anyway, you guys and gals can give up on the show if you want but I’m buying News Corp stock in order to squeeze the FOX network until they fire the decision maker at FOX who axed the show. Money talks! If they didn’t pay attention to the campaigns to appeal to advertisers and sponsors of the show, then they will have no choice but to listen when they are escorted out of the building by security with their belongings in a cardboard box.
Some of us SCC fans were prepared for this and had a Phase II battle plan in place!
@ Toni Roman
Toni seems to have reached the bargaining phase
In all seriousness, though, as much as I HATE to see unresolved storylines on a show I watch, when you factor in the cost of the show PLUS rebuilding the sets, the fact that the actors are probably out looking for new work, etc… It’s just not coming back in TV form. Maybe another forum, but not TV.
And yes, it sad. And yes millions of people loved the show. Unfortunately there were many more millions who do not care.
As for being upset at Dollhouse fans? I don’t see how that helps anyone other than giving people an outlet for their anger. DH fans have nothing to do with the decision. That’s like hating the kid down the street whose parents bought him the new toy you wanted. It just eats you up inside and you’re not upsetting him any.
http://gopetition.co.uk/petitions/the-sarah-connor-chronicles.html
What about Prison Break? LOL/COL
“Long before TSCC was even shooting, I remember mentioning the upcomming series to different people, and NOT ONE thought this was a good idea. All were “oh that’s going to be crap”.”
Actually that was Thomas Dekker’s reaction – and probably mine, too, I don’t remember. It was a natural reaction because movie franchises tend not to well on TV. And a lot of people did not like the pilot Friedman did. I cut it some slack because he had to bring non-Terminator fans up to speed and that was hard to do in an hour. It was episode two where the show started looking good.
I DO remember however, upon hearing that Summer Glau was being cast as the female “good” Terminator thinking instantly: “Hah! The kid’s gonna get it on with the Terminator!”
EVERYBODY knew that was in the cards!
And then Friedman did nothing with it but string the shippers along until that pathetic joke of a “sex scene” in the finale. For that scene alone the writers should be banned from ever working in Hollywood again and Friedman should be banned from ever producing again.
And that’s WHY I downloaded the original pilot that was leaked on the Net long before the show aired – because I had to see how that was going to go. Then I discovered the show had real potential in episode two. Sadly after season one that potential was never realized.
The fans come in bitching about the predictions that the show was in danger of being canceled – while THEY were the ones who cheered Friedman’s crap on and helped drive the show into the toilet. They bear a small amount of responsibility for the failure of their own show because they didn’t know what a decent Terminator series could have have been.
I got no sympathy for them because they had no willingness to try to understand what I was saying about the show’s problems all season long. Instead they preferred to insult me.
Fine – screw ‘em. Show’s dead as a doornail now – isn’t even being shopped by WB anywhere.
But I’d STILL like to know if WB plans a reboot somehow.
I’ve been inspired to write a Wordpress plugin that filters out Juvenile comments.
TSCC had shippers? Like John/robot shippers?
0_0
I’ve never watched this show, but it has a loyal fan base and I feel bad for everyone who was still hoping for a renewal. Sorry guys!
Jon L: That was a joke right? You didn’t know that?
No Lol. I saw a few S1 episodes last year but other than that I never really watched. Human-terminator shipping is…. different.
Jon L
The moment you get over the surprise and wonderment that it had viewers to begin with, you cannot be amazed by anything else.
FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!! Fucking FOX!!!!!
Jon L: Oh, yeah, definitely the “Jameron shippers” – and to some degree I was one as I indicated above – were a very big deal for TSCC. Friedman knew it was going to be a big deal, that’s WHY he cast Summer Glau.
He telegraphed it by adding a scene to the pilot where the interest by John and the flirting by Cameron (the famous potato chip scene at the gas station) started. That scene was added to the original pilot which did not have it.
There were two deliberate “seduction” scenes where Cameron tried to interest John – one in season one in “Vic’s Chip”, the other in season two in “Mr. Ferguson is Ill Today.”
They made a huge deal about showing a few seconds of an upcoming episode at WonderCon where John Connor is lying on top of Cameron with their faces almost touching as if intending to or breaking from a kiss – then that turned into the most god-awful scene of the entire series in the finale. That was a major middle finger at the Jameron shippers – quite deliberate on Friedman’s part, there’s no doubt about that.
None of it made sense based on the notion that Cameron was just a dumb reprogrammed Terminator bodyguard which was the official line. It only made sense based on a theory I had about her behavior – which they didn’t pursue at all, which policy ended up making everything she did basically ridiculous. Despite having publicly said that he wasn’t interested in treating Cameron like a human, Friedman ended up doing exactly that, demonstrating that he didn’t have a clue how to develop the character in an interesting way other than the dull cliche of “robot learns to be human”, which as I say he explicitly disavowed earlier on.
Ashley Edward Miller has now made it official on his twitter site, unless now he becomes a “Non Credible Source”…..
Talk about admitting he played the TSCC Fans, the next two tweets are
“Meanwhile, now is probably a good time to tell you that while TSCC may be gone from the lineup, Zack and I aren’t…”
“In about 45 minutes, I’ll need to roll my lazy ass outta here to my new office at Fringe…”
Like AEM had that lined up and already working there without knowing TSCC was terminal. I don’t know what will be worse, the reaction to the “Official” announcement or the realization that the fanbase was played by entire the TSCC production tean from FOX/WB all the way down to the parking valet.
Dollhouse is a piece of cr@p!
The reason they kept it is because it’s really just a commercial to peddle clothing an goods.
I used to leave it on with the sound off after watching ttsc.
Fox can kiss my azz.
TV SUX ANYMORE
Ratings do not include recordings. We always have to set up stuff to record (we can record 4 channels at once here) to make sure we don’t miss episodes. Those recordings never get tallied. This is the same thing that happened to Jerico.
At least with Jerico they had the decency to bring it back to tie up some loose ends. Fox needs to do the same or no one will ever trust them with a serial story in future series.
Leave it to Fox to promote a stupid looking show called “Glee” and cancel an awesome show in Terminator. What the hell happend to this country?
Jeff Bower, DVR viewing does get tallied by Nielsen…if you’re a Nielsen home. Since you’re not, none of your viewing gets tallied.
What a shame. Again nothing to watch on tv.
I am just repeating what the folks at CBS told me. I would think that Nielson had that figured out but the PTB at CBS said that the recordings were not tallied and considered inconsequential because the commercials were most likely skipped and did not add commercial value to the airtime.
Jeff Bower, Nielsen go to a lot of trouble to produce Live, Live+3, Live +7 etc to include recordings and the words of the Fox people saying DVR helped the decision to renew Dollhouse show that they are counted (if you are a Nielsen household) and they do matter.
Democracy doesnt work. People should be told what to watch. Dollhouse, a tits and ass show, gets renewed, but Chronicles, an awesome sci fi show with thought put into it gets dumped.
I feel sorry for the crew members, they deserved better. **** it, see you next spring tvbythenumbers!
Good. I’m glad. I would hate to think that I was part of the problem. I wish the folks at CBS were thinking that way – but then, perhaps they were when they brought it back to clean up the mess they left by cancelling it mid thread.
Thanks for clarifying it guys. I am still very disheartened that story lines that make you think are cancelled and Family Guy spin-offs and Glee Club dribble are cranked up.
I wish they would just embrace the idea of putting good television on the air and if something does not do well in a slot, move it to another slot. I see so many times (perhaps not in this case, I would have to look) that a good show that does well is moved to a slot where it is bookended with dribble and put against a show that breaks records – then cancelled because of the numbers rather than putting it where it WILL do well.
Heck, with the number of DVRs in the country and the sales of downloads, put it on in the middle of the night and let me record it.
Oh well, it would be a better world if (insert your name here) ran it, right?
So let me get this straight… Fox is renewing “dollhouse” and even more shocking renewing “til death”?… Instead of “tscc”? Wtf is wrong with fox!
its articles very excellent, but I yet never been to the movies terminator the Sarah Connor.
DollHouse sucks. Chuck isn’t that great. SCC was one of my favorite shows. Thumbs down, FOX!!!
Some of you guys take TV waaay too personally. And ALL of you swearing off Fox will be crawling back next year and you all know it.
RIP TSCC, moving on.
Oh man, I’m something else…I saw this title and I thought
someone actually died, LOL.
They will all be back once they reach stage 5
It’ll take some longer than others, but they will all get there. This is why we have people who ranted and raved about Firefly back to rant and rave about Dollhouse and/or TSCC
That sucks, that last show of the season had me looking forward to the new season.
Fox is stupid
I hate dollhouse, so this is a disappointing thing to read. I wish they could have at least wrapped the series up for the fans.
I am a fan of Chuck, Dollhouse, and TSCC. I was really suprised to see Dollhouse renewed. I really liked the last 2 episodes of dollhouse especially “Omega”. Not as good as the finale for TSCC but hey it happens. Fox is doing what’s best for them and you can’t be mad at them for that. It would be great to see TSCC catch on elsewhere but if not I will just have to settle for watching Summer Glau and BAG on DVD. Oh yeah and not all Hardcore TSCC fans are crazy. Some of us know when its canceled its canceled.
Josh Friedman on the cancellation: Click
When DollHouse Premires,everyone switch to a different channel. Let the ratings drop.
So….it’s fault of all that millions of stupid freaks who never understood the good vision he has of TSCC …. what a crap
This guy fooled all of you for minths guys 
*months*
Bring back “Terminator: The Sarah Conor Chronicles” — don’t leave us hanging. Close out the a final episodes.
It gets very frustrating that you get hook and suddenly it just get cancelled without a final episodes. Its not fair to your viewers.
I guess Brian Austin Green might have to result to appearing on the new 90210 after all.
Holy shit, Fox is without a doubt the shitiest network of them all. How stupid and incredible it is they canceled TSCC. Dollhouse sucks quite frankly, no other good SciFi series around at the moment to quench my SciFi cravings! AAAaarrgg!!
WAIT A MINUTE !!! Is Halcyon the same Halcyon Company owner of the rights of P.K. Dick works ???????
Seriously if it wasn’t Dollhouse it would have been another show taking the empty space. I’ve watched Dollhouse, but so far, it has not tripped my trigger and I love Joss’s work usually. Now put Summer as a main character and then that would get me watching. It must be about the money, because I would expect the Salvation flick to generate interest in the show. I think we are still seeing the effects of that writers strike killing off decent shows prematurely even when they did come back.
AARGH!!!!!!!! Let’s boycott FOX. How many fabulous shows must they cancel? Firefly and Terminator TSCC rocked!
Too bad to hear that WB won’t even try to ship it. Was really looking forward to the possibilities season 3 could have brought. Maybe there will be a book series/graphic novel series afterwards to continue it.
I feel your pain fellow fans.
Terminator was a show I enjoyed but it was also not done as well as it should’ve been. I understand the show was called the sarah conner chronicles but nearly every darn week there was little action and 85 % of the shows seemed filler. For a show like Terminator to succeed on network TV they needed it to be almost like 24. Non stop, head rushing action for 8-9 out of 10 of the shows. I mean, they are suppose to be running for their lives and trying to change the world(the future) and yet they spent most of their time doing right the opposite.
That’s just my opinion but I think if the show would’ve had more action and more forward movement to the story it would’ve taken off better than it did.
@ Toni: What science fiction do you like to read?
I wish someone would try a limited series of Isaac Asimov’s “Foundation” – say, 22 episodes – so that we could have some of the best science fiction that television has ever seen…
…or else WB could do a new Terminator series – but pay the big bucks to James Cameron as the executive producer / lead director…
…this may have to be the way television has to do things these days to get the big ratings – big events is something that a cable network just can’t do, since they just can’t match broadcast’s bigger, universal reach.
Oh, Christ, Zack and Ashley are going to Fringe?
There goes Fringe – unless Abrams gets the lid on those guys. They can do good dialog and situations, but don’t let them actually think up any episodes pertaining to the overall mythology.
And I say that despite Zack having used my name in one episode of TSCC. While I appreciate that, these guys didn’t do TSCC any favors. Although I don’t know how much of that was Friedman overseeing.
What The F!@!@ Stupid Fox Retards I Can’t Beleive The Best TV Show With A following And They Pull The PLug Thats is really Smart !!!!!!!!!!
Friedman: “And certainly there are those who did not like what we did and had their own vision for what a Terminator TV show should be. It’s easy to look at low ratings or cancellation as “failure” and for those who believe we’ve gone about this all wrong I’m sure today’s news will only serve to confirm a world view that I would never try to change.”
Well, at least he acknowledges that there WERE serious critics of the show who were nonetheless fans in that we watched it the entire two seasons – in my case even BEFORE the seasons started – and were serious that we wanted the show to be a hit and establish a high water mark for sci-fi on broadcast TV for the next decade and hoped that he would pay attention to the criticisms AND the falling ratings and improve the show before it was too late.
But no, he didn’t listen and no, he didn’t do it right. And he still doesn’t acknowledge. No surprise there, people don’t like admitting mistakes. Yes, it was a “failure”. The show should have been at the very least successful enough to go more than one and a half seasons, and it should have been enough of a hit to take on the Monday night slots and hang on for five seasons or more.
UH: Yes, they own the Dick works (uh, maybe I should rephrase that, the Phillip K. Dick works) rights and are developing some of his stories.
Tim: You hit the nail on the head. The show really should have been more like 24 while not leaving out the central component of the franchise: the exploration of the possible relationships between humans and AIs.
That is precisely the show I would produce if I were the show runner. Halcyon, if WB still wants a Terminator show, call me. I’ll show you how it’s done!
The stupidest thing about it is that they left season 2 at such a cliff hanger and they could do sooooo much with that show, and now they just killed it. FOX, I have to say, is one of the stupidest networks. They have cancelled sooooo many shows. I bet more people were watching TSCC than DOLLHOUSE, and yet they want to gamble on dollhouse more. Wow, I’m suprised people even watch FOX anymore.
I’m kind of surprised that you disliked Dollhouse. I enjoyed the end of season one for TSCC, but really thought that show lost its way. It didn’t seem to know what kind of show it wanted to be. Everyone was time travelling and then there were “dream” sequences and it just got boring. Dollhouse, on the other hand, offers us a nice idea of substance and provacative story telling. Not a great first season, but better than either season of TSCC. Also, Whedon does have a pretty good track record.
WTF….
With that cliff Hanger they END IT!!!!
Why do we watch TV… AT LEAST END THE FUCKING STORY!!!
The SUMMER is PRIME TIME for a mini series ending…
For FUCKS Sack… if fans are loyal enough to watch at least don’t be DICKS and FUCK US ALL!!!!!!!
Fox sux…big time. The only serie that I watch there and it´s canceled
I should point out to people complaining about the TSCC cliff-hanger – it really wasn’t that much of a cliff hanger. Friedman wrote it so you could take it either way – as a season finale or a series finale, while still leaving open various questions. You could take it as John Connor goes to the future to make his mark, Sarah goes off to live a normal life, John Henry and Weaver go off to make deals with Connor to defeat Skynet in the future, and Cameron gets replaced by Allison in John’s life. That’s a complete tie up.
Of course, stuff would happen in the future of that ending. The problem is it wouldn’t have much to do with Terminator canon.
I personally wouldn’t mind if a Terminator TV series set in the post-T-2 world ended up after five seasons with the whole thing still unresolved, i.e., they still haven’t guaranteed there will be no Judgment Day. They just all ride off into the sunset still wondering, although they’ve managed to stop whatever specific plot they knew about during those five seasons – and John and Cameron have hooked up. Albeit temporarily since T-3 and T-4 are canon, so eventually it would be clear Cameron would have gone away to be replaced by Kate Brewster. In my concept for the character, she could walk away at any time and become a character in her own series.
More importantly, it doesn’t matter to the network or the studio whether it ends on a cliff hanger or a full tie up. So that doesn’t enter into their calculations. They probably prefer a tie up so they don’t get so much dislike, maybe, but it’s not an economic consideration.
At least Fox ran out the episodes. That wouldn’t have even happened except for WB paying them to do that.
The Wikipedia entry for Sarah Connor Chronicles actually lists the source for this info.
http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/05/bubble-show-upd.html
Overall, the Season 2 finale was excellent and I am happy with that as a series finale. The only other show I consider worthwhile is Sons of Anarchy.
I’m baffled by the huge outpouring of sadness about TSCC when ratings suggest next to no-one was watching it! Of course it absolutely sucks when a show you love gets cancelled, but pulling in a season average of 4.6 on FOX doesn’t suggest a big enough dedicated fanbase to me.
I hope they will not screw up also the job of Phillip Kindred Dick
It would be really a shame
Jen – I’m surprised there’s a big fanbase given the show really started to go downhill in the second season, but the fanbase is definitely there and was obviously very dedicated. In the end, shows can have large uninterested audiences or small dedicated audiences. T:SCC was an extreme example of the latter, though there have been many examples of that over the years. Firefly would be another example, plus that one whose name I forget that CBS (?) renewed after canceling and had to cancel again.
That’s one of the tragedies of television, that it’s very easy to make shows that a dedicated minority fall in love with, and nobody else likes.
While I’m unhappy TSCC won’t be back I can’t say I was surprised as I watched it go down the tubes the entire season with bad writing and even worse numbers. I still think there’s something hinky going on with the renewal of DH however only time will tell what that is.
“Democracy doesnt work. People should be told what to watch. Dollhouse, a tits and ass show, gets renewed, but Chronicles, an awesome sci fi show with thought put into it gets dumped.”
It’s not democracy that’s the problem, it’s ruthless materialism. The two have very little to do with each other.
RSH, I am becoming more receptive to your criticisms directed towards Friedman, especially due to his defeatist attitude in light of FOX’s cancellation. However, I think you were wrong to constantly root for the show to fail because of Friedman himself and I think the fans as well as the characters and the story itself deserve a proper conclusion.
ps. SCREW FOX and Kevin Reilly is a pathetic loser!
tbh i think the last few episodes before the finale killed the show they were beyond boring and very difficult to watch. Terminator had just managed to find its footing the last 2 episodes and they stopped it at a bad place. Hopefully after the terimnator movie hits the screens it will be back after everyone is screaming at fox for it.
How does FOX choose what it keeps and drops, are these people even taking surveys on what people watch?
The way I see it, if any show has been on at least 13 episodes or more, they should have a finale episode to wrap every loose end up. So people won’t have millions of questions unanswered. Like why didn’t anyone knew who John was and where did Mrs. Weaver go? Look at the F/X Network. Dirt and the Riches had two seasons and cancelled. It’s like they don’t care about the fans. If I was doing a show and they said it is going not to be renewed I would ask for at least one last episode on air to say hey thanks and have the finale word on what happens.
I also like to add that if it didn’t change days and times, it might have stayed on. I noticed that some shows that do switch times and days get screwed over and get bad ratings because people are not able to watch the new time. I remember a show on Travel Channel called Stranded with Cash Peters. They switched it like 3 different times. I thought it was cancelled then I saw it on Saturday night then it was finally cancelled.
Summer Glau is my favorite actress, and it seems that I fall in love with every one of Josh Whedon’s ideas. I have been a FOX fanatic since I was a child, however I think that has now changed. What is the point of tuning in to watch your favorite shows if they are going to be constantly canceled? Dollhouse will not even be worth watching, because it will just get canceled next season. I think I’ll switch to the CW. At lease there good shows last for more than three years.
Crap it! I love that show and always will. I just wish It could be picked up. CW please!
TSCC was the best show since Firefly. It’ll probably be years before we get anything as good as that again. Why would networks waste money on quality. Brainless reality shows matter more to the average tv-viewer than exciting, intelligent stories. If I were a smart network executive, I’d fill all the evening slots with half-naked people, either running around in circles screaming like maniacs, or describing how they dislike each other. I’m sure those shows would do well.
There is definitely a problem with Tv these days. First they play roulette with shows. Anyone notice they would stop one show for a few weeks or months, play the other one for a few weeks, and then switch back. (Prison Break, Fringe, TSCC. On the WB, Reaper took forever to come back) That cannot in anyway help ratings or building dedicated followers.
And I am trying very hard not to bash FOX here, but they are notorious for cancelling good shows. Brimstone, Firefly, Family Guy briefly,.. and so on and so on. And I agree you should have enough decency to give a show a “finale” episode. Also it seems Summer Glau just can’t get her hands on a show that will last. Definitely enjoy watching her. I don’t blame Dollhouse. I actually watch Dollhouse and feel it is a very good show. Yeah they use T&A to draw a certain fan base in, but it is a really good show dealing with deep philosophical questions of “what makes a person who they are?” using criminals as slaves and immortality. As usual Joss Whedon has a good show laced with comedy and interesting characters.
Speaking of which I thought TSCC was doing fine. The use of Cameron’s character was very interesting. Especially the scene in the season 2 opener (I believe) where she told John he loves her. Very convincing and very conniving. Was that really her telling him that or was that the program doing whatever was necessary to get John to trust her. I digress though. For if it is true, which it APPEARS it is, TSCC is cancelled and FOX won’t care. As already stated, another good show gone for good. RIP.
Max: “However, I think you were wrong to constantly root for the show to fail because of Friedman himself and I think the fans as well as the characters and the story itself deserve a proper conclusion.”
I never rooted for the show to fail. I criticized it so it would get better and NOT fail. What irritated me was Friedman’s (and to some degree the writers, as well as many fans) blase dismissal that there was anything wrong with the show even as the ratings continued to tank.
However, once the finale was over, the show couldn’t be worked with, so at that point I was pretty much both confident that the show would be canceled and also partly relieved because I really didn’t want to have to go through another season of Friedman’s crap only to go through this whole process of arguing that the show was doomed all over again.
I agree that the show deserved a better conclusion. It deserved a better whole season 2! However that’s not going to happen. The only way a Terminator show can work now is a total reboot.
Los: “Especially the scene in the season 2 opener (I believe) where she told John he loves her. Very convincing and very conniving. Was that really her telling him that or was that the program doing whatever was necessary to get John to trust her.”
Josh Friedman pretty much made it clear that she was faking it with the love proclamation. And you can tell Connor thought so too, because initially when she was telling him she was fixed, he was buying it, but when she went the other route, he immediately got mad and pulled the chip out. Watch his face in that scene at that moment. He wasn’t happy about it but he was mad she would try to play him like that. He was no dummy in that scene. His later re-activation of her was precisely the same sort of strategic decision that was portrayed in a deleted scene of T-2, where Hamilton’s Sarah wanted to destroy “Uncle Bob’s” chip and Furlong’s John prevented her.
The problem is there was zero evidence that Cameron had any emotional responses in her and therefore had no ability to “love” him. Summer Glau always stopped short of saying Cameron did, just that Cameron was so programmed to be “dedicated” to him that it was the equivalent.
But the problem with all that is it made the scenes of her deliberately trying to seduce him, in “Vic’s Chip” in season one and “Mr. Ferguson” in season 2, nonsense – unless you bought my theory of her motivations. But my theory was ignored all season and pretty much deliberately revoked in the last episodes. But if you accepted that she was just another dumb reprogrammed Terminator sent to protect him, a lot of her actions in that regard made no sense. They only made sense if she was an entirely independent AI who had come back for her own purposes. But Friedman never made a move with that concept, despite the story telling potential.
And then he botched hell out of the final scene between them. That bedroom scene was one of the worst scenes ever in the entire series. There’s no way to read it except as a middle finger given to the Jameron shippers.
Am I the only one who liked the final bedroom scene between Cameron and John? I thought it was a great way to push the central issue – that Cameron’s a robot, and John’s natural anthropomorphic tendencies need to be kept in check. The fact Jameron shippers weren’t going to like it was a bonus, not in any mean way, but because this was an answer to them. “I know you want there to be something between these two, and yes, John loves Cameron, and Cameron probably on some level has an attachment to John, but…”
Friedman actually conceded to the Jamerons in the end, admitting John leaped into the future because he loved her. Summer also said “Jameron Forever!” in her thank you to the fans. To me personally it is obvious that John loves Cameron, and I also think she cares for him. I think she left because she felt she was a liability to him and because she thoguht she could do more good by giving her chip to JH. The “I’m sorry, John” message shows she wasn’t just going through the motions of her programming, as there would be no need to leave the message in the first place if she cared only for her mission and not for John himself.
I’m still hella pissed about this and I want to see more!!!!! Damn it…
Well I guess if the show had been called the Obama chronicles they would have renewed it!!!!!!
Squiggleslash: It wasn’t an answer. It was a middle finger because it was done so badly as to be unwatchable. Remember the WonderCon clip – that was specifically put there to get the Jamerons all het up. And then they do that idiotic scene, which was almost totally irrelevant to everything. I mean, really, prove she wasn’t radioactive? C’mon!
Max: Summer was always partial to the Jameron thing, although she always kept it ambiguous as per the writers. But she’s a romantic clearly, so obviously she liked the idea of a John-Cameron pairing. Not to mention it was a great role for an actress.
The problem with the relationship is that it continually bounced between simplistic “robot learns to love” crap or being ambiguous about Cameron’s motivations.
Whereas they could have take the correct tack and directly pursued a more sophisticated, complicated relationship where Cameron had no feelings but needed John for her own reasons and was prepared to provide John with what he needed as a human male who probably would never develop any other normal relationship due to his unique circumstances (leaving T-3 and T-4 out of it where he does – he wouldn’t know that at the time the TSCC show was set).
It would have allowed for both of them to acknowledge and accept each other’s unique characters and form a bond that was rational for the machine and emotional for the human. And it wouldn’t have precluded even a physical relationship, which could have been hinted at existing in the future (once again glossing over T-3 canon – or maybe not). And that would have pushed the envelope in exploring the possible relationships between humans and AIs.
Make no mistake, the notion of a human “marrying” a robot AI is a serious issue which will come up in the next fifty years. It’s already been discussed seriously in years past. A futurist wrote a book about it and he got tons of interviews from the media all over the world.
This would have enabled a more complex exploration of the relationship between humans and AIs, which is the central core concept of the franchise.
The problem with Cameron leaving because she thought she was a liability – along with the hideously bad plot device of putting a bomb in her head – is that it again reduces her to a dumb reprogrammed bodyguard, much like Arnold in T-3 who nearly had to lobotomize himself to prevent him from being controlled by the bad Terminator. It makes the character less interesting and reduces the story telling potential.
Cameron should have been a fully independent AI who not only doesn’t obey orders in the present from John or Sarah (which was established in episode 2 of season 1) but in fact didn’t take orders from future John either (although he might not have known that.) The fake script that Lanie Grace wrote about had that very concept in there, in that the Cameron in that script had gone behind John’s back to make a deal with the T-1000’s and when discovered came back in time to escape.
My concept after I saw episode 2 of season 1 was that Cameron was an independent AI who determined that she could not survive in the future regardless of whether the humans or Skynet won the war. As John Henry said about his “brother”, she wanted to survive. So she came back in time to the one place where she could escape, and needed to hook up with Connor because he was the only one who would know and accept her for what she is. Then she could forge a bond with him as long as she needed him (until she was able to deal with human society in the present on her own) and would aid him in stopping Skynet because by doing so she would insure she would not have to deal with Skynet in the future.
This concept would have allowed for all sorts of options in character development far greater than representing her as just a dedicated bodyguard, which in the end really is all she was, regardless of the writers’ dialog in various episodes. The writers made considerable effort to keep her motivations ambiguous, but in the end – and the fans interpretations pretty much prove this – she was reduced to being just another “robot learning to be human” without any real motivations or consciousness of her own.
Not to mention that the entire “glitch” thing not being resolved all season meant that, just like all the other characters except Weaver, Cameron was basically “cursed” by Friedman with damaging characterization, a fundamental un-fixable flaw equivalent to Sarah’s mental instability.
And that was part of the entire season being devoted to sidelining the entire Connor camp in favor of Weaver and John Henry, meaning that the entire franchise concept of the Connors being the heroes was dumped in favor of an “AI vs AI” concept.
That’s fine if it was another show, but it’s not Terminator. Terminator is about humans vs machines, not machines vs machines. The “good Terminators” are there to explore alternatives to antagonism between humans and AIs, not to replace humans as the heroes of the story. They can be one of the heroes of the story, not all of it. But in TSCC the Connors behaved like incompetent idiots all season and in the end, instead of stopping Skynet, they discover nothing they have ever done was relevant at all because Skynet already existed and they were in fact trying to destroy the enemy of Skynet!
You can’t turn the franchise upside down any more effectively than that.
Face it – Friedman either never understood Terminator or even more likely he did and didn’t care that he was overturning it because of his own hubris that he could do a better job than James Cameron.
Friedman saw this show as his ticket to “sci-fi cred” that he didn’t get with his unused “War of the Worlds” script. But he wasn’t up to it. Instead he tanked a spin-off from THE franchise most likely to succeed in current broadcast TV.
Monumental fail.
I posted a lot about this on my blog, but Warner did the right thing. They killed a show before it tarnished the TERMINATOR TV Brand too much. Now they can at least do another show with perhaps the right people attached.
Richard Steven Hack says:
“Make no mistake, the notion of a human ‘marrying’ a robot AI is a serious issue which will come up in the next fifty years.”
Speaking as someone who did a couple years toward an AI Ph.D. several years back, you’re deranged.
@Boris
The same thing was said 50 years ago by many people with Ph.D. about same sex marraiges also.
To state something that is posiible as absolutely impossible, is a guaranteed fault.
Ah, Boris is back!
I know about AI research as well, although I don’t have academic credit in it.
Besides which, it’s irrelevant as to the state of AI capability whether or not a human might actually want to marry one. Hell, humans have wanted to marry blow up sex dolls! LOL!
Anybody who’d want to marry Paris Hilton would marry a robot! LOL!
Richard Steven Hack says:
“Besides which, it’s irrelevant as to the state of AI capability whether or not a human might actually want to marry one.”
In that case, what do the “next 50 years” have to do with anything?
Let’s put it this way – David Levy has much more credibility on the topic than one Boris Who-The-Hell-Is-This-Troll.
Will you one day marry a robot?
http://blogs.zdnet.com/emergingtech/?p=715
And from another article on the subject:
Although roboticist Ronald Arkin at the Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta does not think human-robot marriages will be legal anywhere by 2050, “anything’s possible. And just because it’s not legal doesn’t mean people won’t try it,” he told LiveScience.
“Humans are very unusual creatures,” Arkin said. “If you ask me if every human will want to marry a robot, my answer is probably not. But will there be a subset of people? There are people ready right now to marry sex toys.”
Ronald Arkin also believes Aliens put our DNA on the planet, and that Bigfoot is real.
I have no idea if any of that is true, but it sounds as good as anyone making absurd claims about people wanting to marry robots. We still don’t even have flying cars!
Turning to the chorus does not answer my question.
1. “Make no mistake, the notion of a human ‘marrying’ a robot AI is a serious issue which will come up in the next fifty years.”
2. “[I]t’s irrelevant as to the state of AI capability whether or not a human might actually want to marry one.”
3. “Let’s put it this way – David Levy has much more credibility on the topic than one Boris Who-The-Hell-Is-This-Troll.”
Let me get this straight: The *actual* existence of the marriageable robot AIs, which you asserted are a “serious issue,” proves to be “irrelevant,” and my then asking what the “next 50 years” dramatic phrasing was all about in the first place yields nothing but an attempt to brand me as a “troll”? You’re a regular Ptolemy.
Look, stupids, I’m not wasting any more time discussing AI on this blog. That’s not what Robert and Bill host this blog for.
You want a clue, go get one somewhere else. Running your mouth doesn’t establish anything but that you’re a troll with a specific problem with me. And I couldn’t care less about some random clown on a blog.
Richard Steven Hack says:
“Look, stupids, I’m not wasting any more time discussing AI on this blog. That’s not what Robert and Bill host this blog for.”
No, I don’t suppose that’s what it’s “for.” Neither do I suppose that the site is operated in order to solicit opinions on the window of opportunity that (trans-?) humankind has until local perversion laws become completely anachronistic.
Then again, I’m not trying to elevate myself to the clergy.
Lanie, marriage is a sacred institution between one man and one fembot!!!
Industry buzz is that Lena Headey was so jealous of Summer Glau’s fanbase and better written dialogue that she whined & bitched till they cut Cameron down to a shadow of her Season I self. Also, they had to hide cue cards all over the set because Lena couldn’t be bothered with memorization & rehearsal.
This is completely insane. Dollhouse is not an attractive show at all, poor writing and acting. Atleast the Sarah Connor Chronicles had actors that could act and partial story lines that were great television. Fox network is going downhill.
I’m glad Dollhouse got another season. Joss’s style takes the first season to introduce the characters, and it’s the second season that really grabs ahold of you. This was true with “Buffy the Vampire Slayer”, “Angel”, “Firefly”, and now “Dollhouse”. Firefly did not make it past the first season, and ended up having a film “Serinity” made. I had to watch the film and the entire first season at least twice before I began to see what it was really about. No doubt Joss sold Dollhouse on that fact, along with the success of Buffy and Angel. Something tells me that Dollhouse will end up being a multi season show, especially with all the great talent involved with it.
TSCC, is another story. it already had two seasons, and was falling into a rutt until just the last few episodes of season 2. Too little too late. I first liked the show, then was getting bored with it, especially it’s lack of continuity, and then I started to like it again. If Firely’s “Wash” could come over to Dollhouse, maybe Summer Glau from TSCC (and also from Firefly) could also. New dolls all the time right?
i like the show, despite the turn season 2 took, but if anything i have learned not to get too involved with a show, a fanatic. unless you’re really certain that it has a good audience and a decent shelf life you may only be setting yourself up later on
i learned that it’s time i get a different hobby
Dollhouse will get the ax after 4-5 episodes next year. Sad but I think Josh has a tough time introducing his shows. I think he should give them mindless whiz-bang/T&A for the first 3 episode, THEN introduce the deeper threads.
As for Chuck… who cares?
Rick Keller says:
“Joss’s style takes the first season to introduce the characters, and it’s the second season that really grabs ahold of you.”
Just like the Spanish flu!
Dollhouse sucks. Seriously.
Anyway, fine. Cancel Terminator. Now let’s see how many millions they lose with Salvation. It’s already showing with pathetic ticket sales. I was dying to see it until now. I don’t want anyone to even tell me about it now. Screw it. I’m done with Terminator anything. Fox can kiss my butt and so can Warner Brothers. Let them explain to stockholders why they can’t turn a profit on something that should have brought in HUNDREDS of millions.
It’s interesting that there are still rumors coming out from the studios about how T:SCC “might be” renewed. Over the past few days there’s been talk of there being some significant politics that was involved in T:SCC’s cancellation.
Now, it doesn’t make sense to me that that’s why Fox might have canceled the show (Fox canceled it for fairly obvious “Costs too much for such a low audience” reasons), but it might explain the cryptic “It’s never going to appear anywhere but Fox” from JF just before the cancellation. As I see it, there are three options:
1. Nobody at WB felt it was likely to work on any other network, not even SyFy, so didn’t bother. That seems implausible to me, though still possible.
2. WB did shop it around to other networks who all turned it down. This still seems the most likely explanation, though it doesn’t explain the “politics” rumors, and it leaves us with a bunch of new questions such as “JF had to have known (rather than strongly suspected) on Saturday before the up-fronts when he made the “anywhere but Fox comments” that T:SCC was canceled, so why did everyone act as if it was news on Monday?”
3. WB didn’t want to continue with the series, but would have been contractually obliged to pick it up if Fox wanted it, hence JF’s comments. This does explain the politics rumors, because now there’s a context for WB doing nothing to save the show. The politics would have had to be within WB itself. They might have been anything from “We need Josh out of here!” to “The Terminator movie crew feel T:SCC is a liability and they want the show ended before the following Terminator movie”.
I’m suspicious of the “it was politics that sunk it” rumors, it’s just as easily T:SCC fans trying to find explanations for something they find inexplicable. But, on the other hand, you have to wonder if anyone at WB was, actually, wondering about the wisdom of continuing to make an increasingly unpopular show, and even subsidizing it, in an attempt to get people to watch the movies. They’d have had to be insane not to have doubts, especially once the 2009 half-season started. And, as such, I think that (3) is far, far, far, more likely than (1), and I think it’s entirely possible (especially as Lanie Grace has said the opposite) that WB never shopped the series to other networks, contrary to received wisdom.
i have ben a fan of tscc since 2007 i have ben attached to it not just the show but all the movies and to see the show get canceld it makes me very sad
oh for anyone out there i really wonder if cameron is dead or not it bugs me by that last episode
i know sqigtlesash guy it does suck alot
they still have terminator salvation for hope of terminator fans it might be a good thing to cancel the show cause people will pay atention to salvation more then the show
its weird why did they say it was season 3 of terminator chronicles and what they change it to season 2
I “used to go to the moviews” every Friday and I changed (much to the dismay of some friends) explaining that I had to stay home to watch The Sarah Connor Chronicles tv show. Sure I could have watched it the next day on HULU, but it just wouldn’t be the same… you HAD to see it live! Neeless to say I was a Termintor fan and that may have been the reason I watched it the first time. But it was smart, suspensful, well acted (!) and well written and I couldn’t wait for it to come on Friday night! How could you cancel this show when there are so-o-o-o many dumb tv shows out there? Is Fox saying we can’t like a good drama that makes you think over some of the mindless dribble shown on TV. Thank heavens 24, Lost, NCIS and shows like the Mentalist. I’m a HUGE fan of bones! Sure Fox has animation domination….which I always watch, but what’s up with cancelling a excellent SCI Fi drama? Bring it back!!!!… or send it to a network who can appreciate it!!!!
squiggleslash says:
May 23rd, 2009 at 5:17 am
“1. Nobody at WB felt it was likely to work on any other network, not even SyFy, so didn’t bother. That seems implausible to me, though still possible.”
I believe Nick C indicated that SyFy execs had expressed an interest prior to and provided that the show ratings didn’t drop further – which they then did.
“2. WB did shop it around to other networks who all turned it down.”
I think WB didn’t do a “formal shop” but sent out feelers and got no responses. But I have no inside info on that.
“JF had to have known (rather than strongly suspected) on Saturday before the up-fronts when he made the “anywhere but Fox comments” that T:SCC was canceled, so why did everyone act as if it was news on Monday?”
I think Friedman and the executive producers at WB and Halcyon knew, but both wanted to keep the lid on until the T-4 premiere was over, which is why the news was released on a weekend when the wider audience for T-4 wouldn’t notice.
“3. WB didn’t want to continue with the series, but would have been contractually obliged to pick it up if Fox wanted it…”
I suppose it’s possible that Fox, when the show was broached to it initially, may have had some sort of “exclusivity” clause in the contract preventing WB from shopping it to another network down the road. I don’t know if that’s ever done, and I have no inside info on whether it was done here.
“The politics would have had to be within WB itself. They might have been anything from “We need Josh out of here!” to “The Terminator movie crew feel T:SCC is a liability and they want the show ended before the following Terminator movie”.”
I think it came down to WB and Halcyon deciding that the show was both a money loser and potentially damaging to and (excessively) divergent from the franchise. WB and Halcyon always kept a firewall between TSCC and T-4. Friedman and McG were kept at arm’s length. And the movies are worth way more than the TV series, so when push came to shove, WB and Halcyon pulled the plug on it to favor the movie side.
“I’m suspicious of the “it was politics that sunk it” rumors, it’s just as easily T:SCC fans trying to find explanations for something they find inexplicable.”
I agree. I haven’t read any of these rumors yet, so I don’t know how detailed they are.
“But, on the other hand, you have to wonder if anyone at WB was, actually, wondering about the wisdom of continuing to make an increasingly unpopular show, and even subsidizing it, in an attempt to get people to watch the movies.”
This has been my position all along. WB clearly wanted a Terminator TV show that would make money and generate new franchise fans in advance of the movie. TSCC did neither. They paid Fox to keep the show on the air past the first 13 episodes in the hope the back nine would pan out. Then Friedman screwed them with three of the lamest episodes yet, which killed the back nine until the last three or four episodes picked up the pace.
“I think it’s entirely possible (especially as Lanie Grace has said the opposite) that WB never shopped the series to other networks, contrary to received wisdom.”
Well, again, I tend to believe Nick C when he says SyFy expressed an interest, Whether that was due to a WB feeler or a more formal offer I don’t know.
The main thing is that I believe WB DID want A Terminator show on the air, and I suspect they STILL want one. They just don’t want TSCC because it didn’t measure up.
BTW, Friedman tweeted last week that he had to turn in the keys for his leased car that they gave him! LOL!
I’d say he’s definitely on the outs with WB and Halcyon. Good riddance.
Damn, I hate doll house, I watched Terminator Sarah Connor Chronicles every week. FOX SUCKS!!
When did “dribble” become such a pervasive mondegreen for “drivel”?
For those diehards, Josh Friedman just gave an interview to IO9 and stated categorically that the show is OVER. There will be no pickups, no moving to another network. He said he and producer James Middleton went looking for a network to pick it up before the show was canceled – and there were no takers. Not SyFy, not CW.
He goes into a discussion about how the show was so dark, it was hard to sell. But I like his last line best: “But what do I know? My show got canceled.”
Right, Josh.
Someone at Fox needs to be Terminated for cancelling this awesome show!
It figures…a show that makes you THINK has been canceled. And for what? So we can watch more stupid stuff? Has anyone ever seen a movie called “Idiocracy”? Ah, the dumbing down of America progresses…