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	<title>Comments on: Wednesday Ratings: Talent Tops  Dance, But Fox Wins Night</title>
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		<title>By: Capnbob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Capnbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 09:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do people call shows like Wipeout, ISAJGS or Talent (or even Idol) reality TV when these are all competitions - straight continuations of the game/quiz/talent shows of the past. To me, reality TV is a different genre, as exemplified by Real World XYZ, Jon &amp; Kate (and 90% of TLC), Idiot Housewives of Wherever, all the celebrity &quot;following&quot; shows (Osbornes, Hogans, Simmons&#039; etc.). I&#039;ll admit there is a crossover where the talent shows spend more time focusing on the background or current lives of their contestants (e.g. UK Big Brother with its saturation coverage), but still - reality filler to a televised competition. By this definition, there is hardly any &quot;Reality&quot; on the broadcast nets.
No one calls Documentaries (an endangered species on US TV - if you discount those based on the flapping heads of puffed up &quot;anchors&quot;) Reality TV - even if they are the closest thing short of the PBS Newshour to actual reality on the boob tube.

Overall, I guess my point is that making a virtual dichotomy out of &quot;Scripted vs. Reality&quot; is pointless and counter-productive in understanding the trends in programming and viewership.

PS I love all kinds of scripted shows but also Wipeout - ironically, when they hit the balls/mud/water - that is pretty real (give or take the sound-effects) unlike most so called &quot;Reality TV&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do people call shows like Wipeout, ISAJGS or Talent (or even Idol) reality TV when these are all competitions &#8211; straight continuations of the game/quiz/talent shows of the past. To me, reality TV is a different genre, as exemplified by Real World XYZ, Jon &amp; Kate (and 90% of TLC), Idiot Housewives of Wherever, all the celebrity &#8220;following&#8221; shows (Osbornes, Hogans, Simmons&#8217; etc.). I&#8217;ll admit there is a crossover where the talent shows spend more time focusing on the background or current lives of their contestants (e.g. UK Big Brother with its saturation coverage), but still &#8211; reality filler to a televised competition. By this definition, there is hardly any &#8220;Reality&#8221; on the broadcast nets.<br />
No one calls Documentaries (an endangered species on US TV &#8211; if you discount those based on the flapping heads of puffed up &#8220;anchors&#8221;) Reality TV &#8211; even if they are the closest thing short of the PBS Newshour to actual reality on the boob tube.</p>
<p>Overall, I guess my point is that making a virtual dichotomy out of &#8220;Scripted vs. Reality&#8221; is pointless and counter-productive in understanding the trends in programming and viewership.</p>
<p>PS I love all kinds of scripted shows but also Wipeout &#8211; ironically, when they hit the balls/mud/water &#8211; that is pretty real (give or take the sound-effects) unlike most so called &#8220;Reality TV&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Vinny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vinny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RJ dont you think it nwould work out way better like this. 

ABC on Wednesday night. 

8 pm I survived a Japenese game show (N) 

9 pm Wipeout (N) even though it is going against (america&#039;s got talent it will stilld o good.)

10 pm Primetime Specials (N) it probably, and hoepfully gain wiews, with wipeout being its lead in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RJ dont you think it nwould work out way better like this. </p>
<p>ABC on Wednesday night. </p>
<p>8 pm I survived a Japenese game show (N) </p>
<p>9 pm Wipeout (N) even though it is going against (america&#8217;s got talent it will stilld o good.)</p>
<p>10 pm Primetime Specials (N) it probably, and hoepfully gain wiews, with wipeout being its lead in.</p>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watched &quot;I Survived a Japanese Game Show&quot; with my wife on DVR last night. It&#039;s pretty much awesome, and filled with win. Love it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watched &#8220;I Survived a Japanese Game Show&#8221; with my wife on DVR last night. It&#8217;s pretty much awesome, and filled with win. Love it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mumbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mumbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still don&#039;t get why NBC insists on keeping America&#039;s Got Talent as a one-hour show rather than a two-hour show.

&quot;Wait, wait, then Conan won&#039;t be able to make jokes about us being fourth anymore!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still don&#8217;t get why NBC insists on keeping America&#8217;s Got Talent as a one-hour show rather than a two-hour show.</p>
<p>&#8220;Wait, wait, then Conan won&#8217;t be able to make jokes about us being fourth anymore!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: RJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>RJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 21:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should be this for ABC:
8:00 - Wipeout (R)
9:00 - Wipeout (N)
10:00 - Primetime (N)

Sure the 8pm hour will be weaker, but the 9pm hour will increase, thus helping 10pm increase.  With Wipeout at 8pm, its only helping 8pm.

R=Repeat
N=New</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be this for ABC:<br />
8:00 &#8211; Wipeout (R)<br />
9:00 &#8211; Wipeout (N)<br />
10:00 &#8211; Primetime (N)</p>
<p>Sure the 8pm hour will be weaker, but the 9pm hour will increase, thus helping 10pm increase.  With Wipeout at 8pm, its only helping 8pm.</p>
<p>R=Repeat<br />
N=New</p>
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		<title>By: R.G</title>
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		<dc:creator>R.G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wipeout is a good show. I&#039;m glad it garnered a small amount of viewership this week with their Couples special.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wipeout is a good show. I&#8217;m glad it garnered a small amount of viewership this week with their Couples special.</p>
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		<title>By: Visan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Visan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ouch! The Philanthropists&#039; ratings are painful!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch! The Philanthropists&#8217; ratings are painful!</p>
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		<title>By: Master Moron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Master Moron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last night&#039;s episode of The Philanthropist was kind of boring compared to the first two.  I think Never Campbell was the problem.  Her character is incredibly dull.  I expect the ratings will sink lower next week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last night&#8217;s episode of The Philanthropist was kind of boring compared to the first two.  I think Never Campbell was the problem.  Her character is incredibly dull.  I expect the ratings will sink lower next week.</p>
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		<title>By: Royal H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Royal H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried to watch Wipeout.  It&#039;s okay, but mostly it makes me miss American Gladiators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried to watch Wipeout.  It&#8217;s okay, but mostly it makes me miss American Gladiators.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reality TV wins big.  Good thing I&#039;m not trying to break in as a narrative TV writer... AW, CRAP!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reality TV wins big.  Good thing I&#8217;m not trying to break in as a narrative TV writer&#8230; AW, CRAP!</p>
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		<title>By: J. Norman</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Norman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wipeout is a pretty entertaining show. The commentators help to make it even more entertaining. I&#039;ve followed Japanese Game Show since it started. It is mildly entertaining. I kind of channel surf between the actual games. The behind the scenes interviews are a snooze and only one or 2 of the contestants are interesting. Judge Bob is the best part of the show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wipeout is a pretty entertaining show. The commentators help to make it even more entertaining. I&#8217;ve followed Japanese Game Show since it started. It is mildly entertaining. I kind of channel surf between the actual games. The behind the scenes interviews are a snooze and only one or 2 of the contestants are interesting. Judge Bob is the best part of the show.</p>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ABCHasProblems, i dont see ur logic why ABC should do that. the ratings for Wipeout will probably decrease if it was on at 9. 

And Primetime: Crime is better than the Philanthropist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ABCHasProblems, i dont see ur logic why ABC should do that. the ratings for Wipeout will probably decrease if it was on at 9. </p>
<p>And Primetime: Crime is better than the Philanthropist.</p>
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		<title>By: ABCHasProblems</title>
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		<dc:creator>ABCHasProblems</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ABC should move Wipeout to 9:00 and JGS to 8:00 solely because of ratings. Wipeout is a very competitive show (an ideal fall show for ABC) and would perform well @ 9:00. I think JGS would get similar numbers @ 8:00 to what its already receiving @ 9:00. I&#039;m very surprised that Primetime: Crime won the 10:00 hour, on the other hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ABC should move Wipeout to 9:00 and JGS to 8:00 solely because of ratings. Wipeout is a very competitive show (an ideal fall show for ABC) and would perform well @ 9:00. I think JGS would get similar numbers @ 8:00 to what its already receiving @ 9:00. I&#8217;m very surprised that Primetime: Crime won the 10:00 hour, on the other hand.</p>
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		<title>By: gmyers</title>
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		<dc:creator>gmyers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wipeout couples was great. They were lucky in that they got that moose pair which made for some funny jokes and really entertaining commentary from the Johns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wipeout couples was great. They were lucky in that they got that moose pair which made for some funny jokes and really entertaining commentary from the Johns.</p>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow ABC is having a pretty good week. came in 1st on monday, and 2nd on tuesday and wednesday. wipeout beat so you think you can dance in viewers but they do that every week :) but so you think you can dance did way better than Talent in viewers 18-34.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow ABC is having a pretty good week. came in 1st on monday, and 2nd on tuesday and wednesday. wipeout beat so you think you can dance in viewers but they do that every week <img src='http://tvbythenumbers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  but so you think you can dance did way better than Talent in viewers 18-34.</p>
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		<title>By: The1337</title>
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		<dc:creator>The1337</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wipeout Couples got .2 more for 18-49 than last week. I watched it and it wasn&#039;t that much different than usual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wipeout Couples got .2 more for 18-49 than last week. I watched it and it wasn&#8217;t that much different than usual.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing good on last night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing good on last night.</p>
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