When the cancellation of ABC Family’s Kyle XY was announced there was an unusual outpouring of fan antipathy towards ABC Family. Not just the fairly standard “save our show” pleadings that we typically see, but plenty of “ABC Family rot in hell, you will rue the day you cancelled Kyle XY” sorts of comments.
Even the recent reposting of an ABC Family press release on the premiere of their new show 10 Things I Hate About You, brought out the “ABC Family is doomed” commenters, complete with lots of numbers being thrown around about how the network’s ratings were headed downwards.
In fact, that couldn’t be further from the truth. ABC Family’s June 2009 primetime viewership is up in almost every demographic category we see for cable networks vs. their June 2008 ratings.
As they say, reports of ABC Family’s death are greatly exaggerated, and it seems like they’re doing just fine without Kyle XY.
| Primetime | June 2009 vs. June 2008 |
| All viewers | 11% |
| P6-11 | 9% |
| P9-14 | 11% |
| W18-34 | 9% |
| W18-49 | 9% |
| W25-54 | 10% |
| P18-49 | 12% |
| P6-8 | 10% |
| W6-8 | 9% |
| P9-11 | 8% |
| W9-11 | -2% |
| P12-14 | 15% |
| W12-14 | 20% |
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P6-11: people ages 6-11, W6-8: women 6-8, etc. All numbers Live+Same Day.
Update: Live+7 prior to 6/15/09. Live+7 Blended with Live+SD from 06/15/2009 to date.
Nielsen TV Ratings: ©2009 The Nielsen Company. All Rights Reserved.
All cause of Greek. HaHa
This is the kind of post that asks for flaming.
BTW, I love Greek and hope ABC Family keeps it.
LOL, Craig. In terms of the measurements above you could perhaps ascribe a big chunk of the increases Y/Y to The Secret Life of the American Teenager airing a single time this June and not at all last June. It actually aired twice in June this year, but the numbers above are only through 6/28 so would exclude the 6/29 airing.
Also, at least for 2009 numbers, the numbers are not live+SD, but a blend of Live+7 where available and Live+SD where they weren’t.
Did Kyle XY show episodes last June? I’m not a fan of the show, but comparing the changes that occured when a show wasn’t airing doesn’t mean it’s cancellation has any impact on the numbers. Now if the numbers go up compared to last year’s timeslot, then this post makes sense.
Sorry, but Kyle XY did not have new episodes last June.
See:
http://www.epguides.com/KyleXY
My goodness Mr. Gorman! What have we (Kyle XY fans) done to make you title an article like that? I understand that you have to keep on the good side of networks to have access to information for articles. That title sounds exactly like something the “spin doctors” at ABC Family would write. It was very nice of you to publish their rhetoric on the internet. Too bad they don’t feel the need to give you something to print along the lines of “We at ABC Family are so sorry for the way we disrespected Kyle XY fans worldwide”. That would be refreshing. But I won’t hold my breath waiting for something like that from ABCF. Hopefully, none of my fellow Kyle XY fans will blast you for the title of this article. Like I said, you probably have to keep on the good side of the networks to have access to information. It’s just part of your job.
So, ABCF had a good month of June? I wonder where those numbers come from? ABCF or Nielsen? Stephen McPherson, head of ABC, stated he believed the Nielsen ratings were “flawed” (his word, not mine). I’m sure some of those numbers are from the big return premiere of Secret Life which is still doing well even with a drop of viewers this season. ABCF premiered some of their new shows directly behind SL which accounted for big premieres for them as well. Of course, that didn’t work so well for Sophie and Roommates and only time will tell about the new shows.
As for the numbers we quote in our comments…..we get them from this site. And we are grateful that you do provide them to us. Please continue to do so.
ABC Family is doing just fine without us? One can only imagine how much BETTER they would be doing WITH us.
Feeling ornery today Bill?
Does look like someone wants to start a fight.
I’m sorry you feel this way. It’s dissapoited that the network canceled the most rated show in it’s history. Not much happy with the shows they replaced. I’m not telling anyone to go to hell or anything in that nature but I’m not happy with the way ABC Family did to our beloved show. I will say that.
This show has brought so much warmhearted entertainment and valuble morals. That’s what family veiwing is all about. Please understand. We just want this show back on the air.
The fact that Kyle XY didn’t have episodes last June does not change the fact that ABC Family is up June/June from last year. The legions of Kyle XY fans (at least the commenters on our site) that hoped to cause ABCF’s demise by abandoning the network presumably have done so, yet their ratings have gone up! Although Robert’s note on Secret Life timing is a possible factor. I also have May and April Y/Y numbers which are post-Kyle XY and will get them up if I have time today.
Holly, indeed I was gone for a few days and suffered through a bad connection/computer and all those Kyle XY comments on the press release caused me to want to put some numbers out there.
Robert is correct on the DVR component of the numbers, I have corrected the legend above.
We get Google alerts every time the show is mentioned on the internet. We can’t help but comment on anything related to a show that we loved so much. I do realize that sometimes information in some of the comments are not accurate but, except for this site, it is hard to find ratings info on the internet that is accurate. It is hard to tell what is true and what is just wishful thinking by us Kyle XY fans. I have seen some wildly exaggerated ratings for many of ABCF shows, including Kyle XY, on the internet. That is why I was so glad to find this site that seemed impartial in their reporting of ratings. I don’t know what has happened that has made you, Mr. Gorman, so angry with us Kyle XY fans. I am sorry if we have seemed rude in our comments. I don’t believe they were aimed at you, just ABCF We are all very passionate about a show that we feel met an untimely and very unsatisfying conclusion. That’s not a bad thing is it? I will take passion over apathy any day.
Kyle XY fans shouldn’t feel singled out. Mr. Gorman takes a dim view of all fans.
We can’t help but comment on anything related to a show…
Really? An obsessive compulsion that affects dozens of people who’s only connection is a TV show?
Hey….maybe show used subliminal messages…
OK, now I’m feeling ornery
Now, here’s a textbook case of creative statistics, lol. I could have saved you the trouble of running the numbers. Kyle XY fans never really watched much on ABC Family other than the show, lol. I haven’t watched anything on that station since Kyle went off the air. Programming didn’t even figure out that showing reruns of Kyle XY would at least keep us in touch with their network.
Kyle XY fans fit the demographics of the “renewed” SciFi (or siffy) network much better. We like Eureka and Warehouse 13 – lighthearted science fiction – as much as we liked Kyle XY.
NBC Universal should start talks with ABC Studios about bringing Kyle XY to SciFi.
Kyle XY fans shouldn’t feel singled out. Mr. Gorman takes a dim view of all fans.
Thanks Sukitawdry. That is good to know.
I was just thrown by previous articles on this site that seemed to support us Kyle XY fans. Maybe they weren’t written by someone else.
OK, now I’m feeling ornery
and when did Holly and Mr. Gorman become an item? lol
Oops. I meant they WERE written by someone else.
Hey Holly, how the heck did you get italics to work here? I obviously don’t know how.
Karen, use <> instead of [ ] on your tags. I will correct your earlier comment.
Just because the numbers at ABC Family are “up” or at least not down does not mean that Kyle XY fans boycotting the channel has NOT had a negative impact. The piece we can not see is what those numbers COULD have been if, for instance, like NYC says, ABCF would have ran at least reruns, or even brought the show back for a “finale” movie. I too, never watched anything on that channel except Kyle XY. I too watch other shows, like Warehouse 13, that are “lighthearted science fiction”. Kyle XY was different. There is not a loyal fan out there that would tell you otherwise. A great show with a terrible ending. A network that doesn’t care one way or another about the actual fan but “cares” about the numbers? Does not make a lot of sense to me.
Clearly those fans cannot take it as well as they dish it. Were they all in that W 9-11 demo?
I still have no idea why ABC Family doesnt cancel Greek. Its numbers are awful, and its dumb. So is Kyle XY, but thats a different story.
Thanks Mr. Gorman. Typing errors drive me nuts.
“and when did Holly and Mr. Gorman become an item? lol”
Karen, it’s long been known that Holly is Gorman’s sock puppet.
Suki, were I to have a sock puppet, it would agree with me far more often than Holly, and would never correct me!
I thought I was Robert’s sock puppet. I get so confused….
That was kinda nasty…on par for ABCF thinking. It’s a little too soon one way or the other to say how the network’s doing. Last winter they bragged about profits, but not this time. April and May weren’t that impressive and if I remember correctly this site reported their April profits were down 11% from April of last year. Regardless, this isn’t a family channel anymore and as a parent I wouldn’t let my kids watch it even if they wanted to, which they don’t. The treatment Kyle XY and its fans got was the worst I’ve seen from a network.
I don’t follow ABC Family, so can someone explain to me what happened vis-a-vis Kyle XY? Based on a quick Google search, it seems to me that they simply chose not to renew it for a fourth season. That obviously stinks for the fans, but I don’t see what was different from any other “on the bubble” series not getting picked up. Honestly, getting three seasons is a fairer shake than most shows get.
Kyle XY wasn’t on the bubble…ABCF cancelled it because they wanted to go with a young female demographic. They put it on a 10 month hiatus, didn’t promote it so alot of fans didn’t know it was back on last January and a couple of episodes into the third season they cancelled it. They warned no one, even their own writers, so when the show ended it was on a cliffhanger. The cliffhanger was so huge it blew the whole thing wide open…I felt like I had been sucker punched. It was the worse way to end a series I’ve ever seen. Their treatment of the fans was and continues to be disrespectful.
Thank you for this article on Kyle XY and the many fans who are striving for its return. Sure it appears negative but our goal has been to continually keep this show relevant and talked about in the media and blogs. So in that sense we continue to accomplish our mission. Any publicity is good publicity when it comes to this show. I look forward to your continued coverage of our attempts to bring back life to Kyle XY.
Your right Patrick O. Three seasons is more than a lot of shows get. We all knew it wouldn’t last forever but we did hope for a few more seasons. After all, in those three seasons we only got 43 episodes. I think 3 seasons on network TV is over twice that number. The writers told us they had something like 6 more seasons plotted out. They had no idea the end was coming so soon so they could not write a proper finale. The lack of closure and a huge cliffhanger is what has upset fans so much. Although, leaving fans hanging is quickly becoming the norm in TV these days.
As for the cancellation, Lori is right. ABCF decided to focus their original programming on a more narrow demographic. Kyle XY had a broad demographic fan base. Harder to sell to advertisers I’m told. Also, shows like Greek and Lincoln Heights are much cheaper to produce than a SciFi show like Kyle XY. Those are the reasons that ABCF chose to cancel Kyle XY. They decided to keep the other shows rather than Kyle XY despite it being their #2 rated original program with a constant 1.3 million or better viewer numbers. No show that has taken Kyle XY’s place, so far, has been able to maintain constant viewer numbers greater than 1 million.
Kyle XY’s cancellation made sense. Kyle XY’s 3rd season was lower rated than the second half of the second season, which was lower rated than the first half of the second season, which was lower rated than the first season. And the 3rd season had the best lead-in any ABC Family series has ever had. There’s nothing particularly shocking about dropping in the ratings after a good first season (though that first season was all of 10 episodes), but when Kyle XY was cancelled, it was ABC Family’s lowest rated veteran series, even though Greek and Lincoln Heights lacked big lead-ins last fall.
Reading stuff like “Kyle XY fans didn’t watch anything else on ABC Family” makes me laugh. If that happened to be true, it would be a bad thing, not something meant to be trumpeted.
Greek’s ratings were bad this spring. They’ll get two episodes airing after Secret Life, then they’ll be on their own. If the ratings get better, they’ll get a pickup. Otherwise, they’ll be cancelled, too. That’s how things go, so Kyle XY’s hardly different from other ABC Family shows in that regard.
I cannot wait for the sequel of this when TVBTN makes the following post sometime this fall 2009
“TSCC Fans: FOX’s Grindhouse Friday’s Doing Just Fine Without You”
I can imagine the moaning and groaning going on over at Terminator Wiki when that hits as they are convinced that TVBTN had a hand in “The Robot Show” getting canned.
Warm regards to all “The Robot Show” fanboys,
~Lanie~
Ratings have nothing to do with Kyle XY’s non-renewal. If ABC Family had wanted good ratings for the show, they would have followed the model used by USA Network for Monk: promote regularly, show rerun marathons, and maintain a constant schedule. ABC Family mismanaged Kyle XY and really jerked the fans around. It’s their network and they want viewers who are teenage girls. Anne Sweeney said in an interview that they’re now making shows that “reflect” their intended audience. Apparently, they want teenage girls who sleep around. You’d think more guys would be watching that network, huh?
It was really appalling that they ended the season on a cliffhanger, one that would open up a whole new venue for Kyle XY. The least they could have done was to edit that last episode. Even a Quantum Leap-style ending would have been better than the cliffhanger.
Again, the original post is meaningless. Kyle XY wasn’t on in either June 2008 or June 2009. ABC Famly targeted new viewers with sensationalist new shows and that’s who’s watching. They’ve also lost a substantial number of former viewers, but their loss is USA and SciFi’s gain.
The other programs on ABCF are awful beyond all reason and for those of us with children they are inappropriate. I would block the channel on the stupidity factor alone. Actually, when Kyle XY started out I watched it on ABC on Friday nights. Had they not pulled it from the Friday night lineup I would have never watch anything on ABCF. When Kyle XY was on ABCF and ABC it won BOTH timeslots. When it was pulled from the ABC lineup, it received the jeers of the week from tv guide. Anybody without cable was shut down immediately from watching it. You must understand the cancellation and the manner in which it was cancelled reflected a long line of mistreatment from the network. Most tv programming is stupid (reality shows), tasteless or the same old junk. If networks treat fans so badly watch them at all?
@NYC said
It was really appalling that they ended the season on a cliffhanger, one that would open up a whole new venue for Kyle XY. The least they could have done was to edit that last episode. Even a Quantum Leap-style ending would have been better than the cliffhanger.
It’s like this whole conversation is Deja Vu right after the Fox upfronts on May 18th!
~Lanie~
I am disappointed that “Kyle XY” ended after only three seasons, but on the other hand, “The Middleman” only got one short season, and was 10 times better than “Kyle” (and many, many octillion times better than “Secret Life,” but I digress.) I’d rather “The Middleman” had a chance to air some more episodes but the true purpose of television networks is to make money, not to entertain you. They must entertain the greatest possible number of people to make money, so that is all that matters in the end. “Secret Life” may be monumentally stupid and offensive, but it meets and exceeds the most important criterion the network will judge it on. If you get to watch a program you enjoy, for a short period of time, that’s just a bonus. Take it for what it is.
At least “Greek” is still on for now. That show is really good.
I’m just here to say, I’m 53 and I still miss Kyle Xy. I want to see it back. I just watched and episode the other day from my dvr,In fact the last one.There’s so much more this show has to ofter. please bring back this series or a movie. oh ,by the way,I still refuse to watch anything on abc family
I am very upset about this article because YOU ARE SADLY MISTAKEN THAT ABC FAMILY IS BETTER OFF WITHOUT KYLE XY….WHICH IS SO NOT TRUE!!!!!! I AM ALSO UPSET THAT YOU DARED TO “ATTACK” US FANS THIS WAY,WE’VE TRIED SO HARD TO BRING OUR SHOW BACK….TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH ABC FAMILY IS BETTER OFF WITHOUT SL(Secret Life),GREEK,AND OTHER SHOWS…..BUT NOT WITHOUT KYLE XY!!!!! *SEVERAL MAD FACES*. Kyle xy,24,and NCIS,are my favorite shows….
@Megan Lane
I am sure Bill can speak for himself, but I would like to point out that the article says “ABC Doing Fine Without Kyle XYZ whatever…not that ABC is doing better.
There is a difference and where is this oh so viscious attack on the fans???
~Lanie~
Have you considered that a counter-protest ABCF viewathon by the pro-belly button contingent may have masked any Kyle XY fan boycotting?
From Mediaweek:
“The week’s most dramatic surge was authored by ABC Family, which claimed fourth place in prime with an average delivery of 1.82 million viewers, up 54 percent from the prior week’s 1.17 million viewers (11th place). ABC Family also went on a tear among the major demos, taking third among 18-49 with 865,000 viewers (as previously noted), while laying claim to fourth place among 18-34s (451,000) and sixth among adults 25-54 (760,000).”
I think ABC Family is just fine without KYLE XY.
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In an effort to be a kinder, gentler LG please don’t read if you have an undeniable resistence to reality.
@RJ
I agree and I would love to hear an intelligent answer on, that if cancelling Kyle XY was such a bad move, then why did the ratings go up?
Maybe, in the same manner as FOX, ABC Family knew more about their business than a bunch of “dedicated” fans?
Kyle XY had ran its course…. abc family is doing much better without it…. 10 thigns I hate about you is a ratings hit apparently…..
tisk tisk lanie, the fans always know better…
@Jamie: ABCF thought Roommates was a ratings hit after it’s big premiere too. It didn’t last a month. Based on past hit shows on ABC Family, the forums for those shows were very busy on the ABCF site. The forums for the two latest shows, Make It Or Break It and 10 Things are very, very quiet by comparison. Only a few hundred posts on both of them. Since the younger demographic, which is a very computer savvy demo, is the target for these shows, it would seem that the forums would be much busier. SL’s forum is incredibly busy. I know that isn’t scientific but merely an observation. I just think it doesn’t bode well for the new shows if indeed they are reaching the targeted viewer.
Do we have this weeks numbers for 10 Things? Did they go up?
Did someone really just type ” *SEVERAL MAD FACES* ” and expect to be taken seriously?
i have not missed abc family(why call it family) I do miss kyle xy but i can live without it…. Just like i can live without trash like secret life of a slutty teenager….
Still waiting for an intelligent answer on
If cancelling Kyle XY was such a bad move then why did the ratings increase?
~Lanie~
@Karen: Do we have numbers for the second episode, which airs tonight? Umm… no.
The ratings were in a press release. Do you believe every press release that a network puts out? If so, then the networks absolutely LOVE people like you LG. Or are you an ABCF employee? That would explain a lot.
@Holly. Oops again. You see Holly, I don’t have a clue what comes on ABCF or when and, frankly, I don’t care.
Good catch……….especially for a sock puppet.
Karen, as far as press release ratings truthfulness, is nearly inconceivable to me that a network would knowingly put incorrect ratings numbers in a press release (they are *way* to easily checked), so you can pretty much trust that every number quoted came from Nielsen Media. If you’re a Nielsen conspiracy theorist, I concede that’s small consolation.
As for glowing descriptions and comparisons to being better than sliced bread in the same press releases, of course, your mileage may vary.
For most fans, it truly does not matter if ABC Family does well or not. They are completely off our radar for the most part. I don’t watch them because there is simply nothing worthwhile to watch. It’s not surprising, however, that we are so emotional about the cancellation of the show. And those feelings make it a lot easier to not even be remotely curious about their new shows.
1. ABC Family channel was all but invisible before Kyle XY. I vaguely remember they had nothing but reruns of America’s Funniest Home Videos and The 700 Club for the most part. I became a regular ABCF viewer after Kyle XY debuted. So did most of the rest of us. I started watching some of their other new shows that came along, and their 25 Days of Christmas.
2. The viewer #s for the show in the 3rd season were solid enough considering that ABCF did NOT promote the show at all, for a very long time, and many casual fans were not even aware it had returned and potential new fans didn’t know it existed. It was already decided to dump the show and the fans.
3. ABCF blamed the cancellation on the ratings, i.e., fans. In truth, the blame is on their shoulders. Add to that the fact that they never even gave us an official announcement. We heard about the cancellation third hand from another source, and then it was confirmed shortly thereafter by a cast member. Then the blame and the spin began.
4. We are upset becoz we feel we were loyal to the network and then treated extremely poorly. This may have been acceptable behavior by networks in the past, but not anymore.
But this is all OLD news. We have moved on, but we will comment when we feel we need to. The bottom line? Fans don’t care one way or the other what happens to ABCF.
My thought is that even if ABC Family is happy with the numbers, no matter what business you are in, the more customers you can get, the better. I’d come back to ABCF in a heartbeat if they had something to offer me, for example Kyle XY. It is the greatest compliment that we are still being noticed. Thank you Bill Gordon, for keeping our cause in the limelight. It is not a mean spirited boycott, we are hoping to show ABCF (with ratings) what we really want to see.
I don’t comment much to articles, but I would like to say that I fit ABC Family’s new demo. Yet I don’t watch them anymore. I was never into anything of there’s besides the occasionally tv movies. other than that Kyle XY was the only show I really watched on TV (oh and I watched T:TSCCS
). It had good morals and a great storyline, awesome actors and many twists. I just don’t agree with how they ended teh show that made their network on my list. None of their other shows ever seemed great. Evern though they were pushed down my throat at school (Channel One which we must watch had commericals for SL & 10 Things, the whole class pratically vommited). I will always love Kyle XY, and if it is ever picked up again, heck even by ABC Family, I would watch it. ABC Family is doing okay without Kyle XY, better? Nope, nobody at my school ever talks about their shows. In my view ABC Family went from promoting a show like Kyle CRAZY! To one promo in Janurary that is was going to be comming back.
-Kattie (a 15 year old, devoted Kyle XY fan)
ABCF is running movies like Harry Potter to make up the difference. What is probably in danger is their original programming.
Did Greek ever got decent ratings? Because what they have now is pathetic.
…oh, God, we could have something on ABC Family to replace Kyle XY – a remake of “Grumpier Old Men”…
…but who in the TVBTN universe would be Jack Lemmon, and who would be Walter Matthau (Bill, Robert – paper-rock-scissors for first choice)…
…not to mention Ann-Margaret and Sophia Loren (Holly, Julia, your turn)…
…wait a minute – this would be way too good for ABC Family – NBC and ABC both could use this new show far more to replace Kings / Eli Stone
As for doing fine, it all depends on whether their costs went up more than their income or not – which we’ll never see (until we get a Nick quality mole into every cable network in America, or else if they had a better year than Exxon)
In response to Miss Lanie Grace- I never seen anyone take trolling to an art form in the way you do sister. I cannot believe I am going to admit it, but I enjoy your bantering back and forth with people. The answer to your question is simple, there is no smart answer to why the ABCF ratings improved other than ABCF made the correct move by canceling K-XY. Nobody is going to admit it.
I love to hate the way you make those little facts so annoying.
Well I for one quit watching after KyleXY went off the air, didn’t even finish the last season actually. After the cancellation of Wildfire, plus being antagonized by the quick endings for Three Moons Over Milford and Falcon Beach, I decided enough was enough. Why get into these shows if they will just be canceled over and over again? I loved Greek, and I mean loved it, but it wasn’t enough to keep me watching a network that has zero respect for it’s audience. I would disagree that losing KyleXY didn’t hurt ABCfamily. They lost a lot of long term viewers. People like myself and many others who watched religiously for years and would have kept watching as our favorite shows ran their course. They may have grabbed a surge of viewers in the interim, but where will those viewers be in a year? ABC Family has put itself into the boat that most stations are in today. They have to spend their time looking for the latest fad, trying to boost ratings with stunts, trying to lure their core audience back and spinning the numbers when all else fails. I don’t know anyone who still watches, literally. One of my friends tried to keep going with Greek (she hates The Secret Life) but it just wasn’t eoungh to keep her tuning in to the channel. She’s the only one who kept on. So while it may appear that ABC Family is motoring along just fine, in the long run much like the CW, I believe they will suffer. Trying to base your core audience on surges in viewership is a fine idea on paper, but in practice it’s not sustainable because those viewers will inevitably go looking for their rush somewhere else. Why do the big nets still have so many viewers? Why does the CW and ABC Family pale in comparison when you look at the numbers? Simple. The big nets know that the loyalty of the viewer is what matters most. It’s why Jericho got a reprieve (although it turned out the execs were right, the show shouldn’t have gone on) and it’s why shows on the big nets tend to run so long. If your loyal to your viewers, they will be loyal to you. Make them think that they don’t matter, and they will move on. Just ask Dawn Ostroff.
The fact that Mr. Gorman would entitle this article as he did means that someone is taking note of our campaign to get Kyle back on the air.If ABC Family is doing as well as it proclaims, why would that particular network feel compelled to have someone write an article such as this? Perhaps, the writer is non partisan, but the fact that all of those “statistics” were included means to ensure what exactly?
Viewers of the network assuredly watch the programs on there because they enjoy them, and they already more then likely belong to the demographic pandered to by the Family.
Those of us who no longer watch because of loss of interest due to the Kyle cancelation don’t care about those statistics because they do not represent us.
Enough of the denial that there are people out here in the real world who do care that Kyle XY has been canceled and will continue to campaign for its reprisal on another network.To denigrate that effort is unfair.
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why would that particular network feel compelled to have someone write an article such as this?
I seriously do not think that any ABCF CEO or Director picked up the phone and “ordered” a pro ABC and/or Anti-Kyle XY post from TVBTN ROFL
Is it possible this is original thought on Bill Gorman’s part?
~Lanie~
I know my patronage (or lack thereof) of ABCF makes little difference on the station’s ratings; still, I, for one, have determined to never support or watch ABCF in the future. And I can feel utterly satisfied knowing that they have lost at least one loyal viewer.
I do believe the popularity of Kyle XY drove much traffic to the station and, unfortunately, despite the network’s contempt for its loyal audience, many of those viewers may remain loyal.
The ratings may not yet reflect the loss of viewership due to Kyle XY fans upset over their treatment by the network but, hopefully, in time, viewership – and ratings – will drop as fans of other shows are treated much in the same despicable manner; dont’ worry, it will most certainly happen again.
Anyway, I began watching ABCF with Kyle XY, then expanded to watching other shows on the channel. Now, I have cancelled my season passes to all ABCF shows (for fear history will repeat itself – with television networks, it always does) and do not intend to tune in to the station ever again; not even to see what is scheduled.
Again the fact that ABC Family is obviously “doing fine” without Kyle XY fans just isn’t the point. We would have liked to have seen ABCF realize quickly that a good portion of their fans were unhappy and did something to correct that. But fans are really not what make a network the money it needs. Advertisers do and if indeed it was difficult to pin down what to sell to the Kyle XY fans (huge demographic) I guess I understand why they continue to ignore us. Numbers up or down still do not tell the story of what impact the boycott has had. The very fact that this article was written on the heels of another article that mentions Kyle XY FOUR MONTHS after the shows last airing tells me that indeed the boycott, the campaign, IS working. We ARE making an impact.
In the first place, ABC Family is only doing better w/o Kyle XY is because the network lacked the show’s advertisements. It is like the network did that intentionally. Therefore, no one knows about the show and then comes the cancellation of the show and probably most people wouldn’t know except for the fans. The show would be at great stakes if there was more promotion. I still believe that ABC Family would have higher ratings because a lot of the fans talk about the show on its own forum on ABC Family website. However, these days the network has been targeting teens mostly about sex. For example, watch an episode of Secret Life, any episode, and you can spot how many times the cast members said “sex”. I’m not bashing on the show, but it’s true that they implied the word “sex” in almost every episode. That is just promoting more about sex. Kyle XY, on the other hand, does not promote a lot of teen drama, which is why the show deserves more credit. If Kyle XY is more renown to the public, then maybe, possibly there would be more ratings for ABC Family than ever.
There shouldn’t be a comparison between June 2009 and June 2008 ratings. Kyle XY Season 2 ended in March of 2008, as well as Season 3, too, but in 2009. I believe fans wouldn’t be flaming at ABC Family anymore. Making threats and flames at ABC Family is very juvenile. We, Kyle XY fans know better not to sink that low. Instead, fans would retaliate back by writing sincere letters about the show to ABC Family. At the same time, this article was somewhat helpful, yet unnecessary. The fans wouldn’t need to know about this. All they want is their show to come back. I want it back, too. It’s just as simple as that.
Whatever. It’s not like your opinion really means anything to me. Plus, maybe people who haven’t heard much about the campaign or the show will read this and get interested. And I’m sure that most of the people who read this just thought, “Whoa, what’s this guy’s problem?”. I know that’s what I thought.
Have you ever even seen the show? If not, then I hope you’ll check out the fourth season after we save it.
Thanks for the laugh and for drawing attention to such a wonderful show.
Anyone who’s interested in helping us save our show, go to KyleXY.net or SaveKyleXY.com!
It seems to me that a large portion of the viewing audience totally does not understand the reason any show is made, simple really, to make money. Yes they make them entertaining to get you to watch and view the commercials, no other reason.
The best method to insure the survival of any show is to watch it live and but the products advertised. Anything less equals cancellation.
@Lauren Richards
I predict that your Kyle XY Season 4 will have a TSCC Season 3 lead in.
(I can hardly wait for someone to point out they are on different networks and TSCC S3 is a myth)
~Lanie~
I’m in agreement that I don’t care what fate befalls ABC Family. If their overall ratings increase then good for them but I’ve yet to see an original program of theirs that has received the ratings (over three years) that Kyle XY had. All I see are drops in ratings on all their new shows which then lead to cancellation. Kyle XY was different as I believe the writers’ strike affected its viewership, along with the long waits in between seasons. I’ve heard many people, both personally and online who thought Kyle XY was canceled midway through the second season because they just never heard about it afterward. Whose fault is that? The studio of course for a lack of promotion and because they had already begun a vendetta against the show to fit into their new sex-obsessed demographic. Even with all this against Kyle XY, it returned to over a million years, a testament that it had a loyal fan base waiting for it to return, a fan base always ready to continue to spotlight this show, much like it has been mentioned in this article. So thank you Mr. Gorman for rallying the troops and keeping Kyle XY in the public eye.
Whatever is said doesnt matter. Kyle XY is the past, and ABC Family is looking towards the future.
Or to put it another way:
Whatever ABC Family says doesn’t matter. ABC Family is the past and Kyle XY fans are looking towards the future………and another network.
“I like this show, therefore most of the people who watch shows on the network that airs it watch them because of it, and since the show got canceled, the network will lose most of it’s viewers.”
Kyle XY fans, your logic is flawless.
If ABCF is doing fine without the Kyle XY fans, let them. Its actually good that ABCF is sending out these signals to us. We can at least focus our attention towards the other networks and stop hoping about ABCF picking up the show again. Once again, thank you for saving a lot of our time
why would that particular network feel compelled to have someone write an article such as this?
Its actually good that ABCF is sending out these signals to us.
You know Bill, selling out is bad enough, but selling out to ABC Family? That’s just sad. At least tell me the deal is with Disney and they gave you some really cool swag or lots of $$$ in exchange.
Most Kyle XY fans tuned into ABC Family to watch Kyle XY and Kyle XY only. After the show was over, most changed the channel. I didn’t even know the channel existed until I caught the Pilot of Kyle XY on ABC and heard the announcer say that the show aired on ABC Family. It was only then that I began watching their channel, and that was only to see Kyle XY. Therefore, the numbers provided do not support the argument. The claim is that ABC Family is doing just fine without the Kyle XY fans. However, Kyle XY did not air episodes in June 2008. The data from June 2008 was compared to that of June 2009, and the particular group of fans that the argument is being made against isn’t represented in either set of data. So how does this demonstrate that ABCF is doing just fine without us? Both sets of data are numbers “without you [the Kyle XY fans].”
Another thing I’d like to point out – if ABC Family is doing just fine without us, then how come they are not representing at the San Diego Comic-Con this year? Without Kyle XY they have nothing to take to the convention. Comic-Con is a big deal to entertainment and yet ABCF will not take part in it. That doesn’t sound like they’re doing “just fine” to me.
But all of this is beside the point. It’s not about the ABCF “burning in hell” and failing. The point is that Kyle XY and the Kyle XY fans put ABC Family on the map but the network just dumped the show and it’s fans. It wasn’t because of ratings, because if that were the case then Greek would have been canceled due to the fact that their ratings were lower than Kyle’s. If ABCF wanted higher ratings for Kyle XY, they could have achieved that with some promotion. However, they didn’t promote the show and thus it is evident that they wanted the show to tank to begin with. But it didn’t. It still pulled good numbers for a cable network, especially with no promotion. So the bottom line is that we’re upset that we did not get a proper ending for the show when we were always loyal to the network.
@Bill (if you’re still reading this thread…)
I’ve seen variations on this claim:
Most Kyle XY fans tuned into ABC Family to watch Kyle XY and Kyle XY only.
on a lot of these “I hate network X because they canceled my show” posts. I know we don’t get information to prove or disprove this, but do the networks?
Holly, that’s a good question that I have no answer for. Whether there is some way that information could come from Nielsen or through some sort of other polling capability it does seem like something that network programmers would find interesting.
“Another thing I’d like to point out – if ABC Family is doing just fine without us, then how come they are not representing at the San Diego Comic-Con this year?”
Maybe because they dont have those type of shows anymore? Thats like saying, why isnt Lifetime or Disney Channel at Comic-Con.
“Maybe because they dont have those type of shows anymore? Thats like saying, why isnt Lifetime or Disney Channel at Comic-Con.”
My point is that they have been to Comic-Con before, but now they will not take part in it. That’s losing exposure and promotion. Lifetime was never a part of Comic-Con in the first place. So they aren’t losing anything. (Disney is actually representing).
What I don’t like, is that my viewership as well as my potential value as an “advertising target demographic” is discounted by all the networks and sites like this because I may not be in a certain age bracket. While a female, I’m over the 18-24 age bracket, so I suddenly don’t count to ABC Family. I guess they have a right to choose to whom they wish to offer their “product.” And I know Kyle XY’s ratings were down after having a year and a half off and little advertising when it aired finally earlier this year. But I’ve got money and the household to buy the products advertised on the tube, so don’t think I should be discounted as a valuable demographic because I’m over 24, or even when I get over 50.
@ILJR Quoting
My point is that they have been to Comic-Con before, but now they will not take part in it. That’s losing exposure and promotion. Lifetime was never a part of Comic-Con in the first place. So they aren’t losing anything. (Disney is actually representing).
Maybe in the same manner they determined they didn’t need Kyle XY, maybe the “San Diego Comic Con” is not that critical to the overall success. I seriously doubt if you took every single patron of the SDCC and polled them, more than a very few will be ABCF viewers.
Why splurge the money, I am sure that was the question that was answered by the non participation this year. If you haven’t noticed this is a down economy and expenses that are excess are being cut in many corporations.
This is more than likely why Kyle XY and ABCF participation in Comic Con were cut.
~Lanie~
I recall a couple new shows ABC Family tried to shove down everyone’s throats after “Kyle XY” went off the air that crashed and burned miserably *cough cough* “Sophie” & “Roommates” *cough cough*. I heard that “10 Things I Hate About You” only debuted with 1.6 million viewers, when “Kyle XY” had 2.6 million viewers for its premiere on ABC Family in addition to the 5.2 million that tuned in when the pilot was on ABC. In all likelihood, the viewers will just go down for “10 Things” and none of the network’s other new shows look like anything to get too excited about. I think it was mean of you to rub the ratings in our faces, and I hope you’re wrong and “Kyle XY” gets the fourth season it deserves. “Kyle XY” was the only “family” show ABC Family produced. It was a high-quality series with gripping plots and a family that truly cared about each other. I miss it very much and hope that ABC Family will change its mind and renew it or allow another network to pick it up. Until “Kyle” is rescued, I will continue to boycott ABC Family.
Kyle XY is gone, and will never be back. Just move on. Shows get cancelled. Its the circle of life on television. This is like Jericho and Moonlight fans “boycotting” CBS. Look at CBS, they went UP in viewership this year! CBS is just fine without them!
Almost all fanatic fans think their shows cancellation will lead to the “death” of the hosting network.
Everyone of them claim to boycott, everyone of them claim it was a stupid move and everyone them fade away a couple of months after the final episode has aired.
Heard any noise from The Robot Show lately or any of the shows cancelled last year???
Kyle XY and the corresponding fanboys will fade in the same manner and if they are lucky in about 15 years Kyle XY will appear on Nick at Night
~Lanie~
Lanie: Good points. You know, I haven’t even re-watched any TSCC in the last few months since the show went away. I’ve been too busy downloading Burn Notice and True Blood.
And while I’m missing Summer Glau, Gabrielle Anwar has captivated my attention. She kicks ass almost as well, if not as gracefully, as Summer. LOL!
I agree with Karen and Cometcobalt. First, what have we Kyle XY fans done for you to put that as the title of this article? Second, you dont know what the ratings WOULD be if Kyle XY was back, so you technickly cant say the cancelation didn’t have a NEGATIVE impact on the networks ratings. If we were given another season, or even a movie finale, or a few more episodes to conclude the series, we would atleast have something to do with ABCfamily. But, the fact that they obviously have no respect for the fans or the show, really doesn’t help.
What a lot of people don’t get is that Kyle XY fans are True fans. We’ve made youtube videos, flyers, postcards, sending sour patch kids, paper mache and clay tubs, letters,forwarding e-mails, forum recruiting, facebook and myspace groups, posters, sending tea bags(and attempting to send bananas;)), made websites, etc, etc. Heck, we’re on the verge of being up there with Star Wars and Star Trek fans with our loyalty and dedication. Give us some credit and on the plus side, at least we don’t use our forces for evil (I’d be scared!).
Lanie Grace: Everyone of them claim to boycott, everyone of them claim it was a stupid move and everyone them fade away a couple of months after the final episode has aired.
If everyone of them “fade away a couple of months after the final episode” then why are you spending all of your time commenting on this? Get a life! If we want to campaign, why the hell should you care? How does it affect you? If you want to think we’re wasting our time with this campaign, then that’s fine. But why waste your own time trying to stop us?
Yes, Kyle XY fans are “true fans” as opposed to the fans of dozens of other canceled shows who prove that they are “untrue fans” by…paying for sky-writing and billboards, sending loads of crap to networks to irritate the mail room workers, sending letters and postcards, making saveshowX websites, waxing poetic about their show on discussion websites (whether or not the site is dedicated to their show), writing livejournal and myspace posts about the deep, eternal significance of their show, starting online petitions, boycotting the network that dared to cancel their show, posting on every article and blog post remotely related to the evil network that dared to cancel their show and annoy the heck out of everyone else….you know, the basics
Haha not that I was a fan of Kyle X but I feel how you feel, Kyle fans. This website is like a website where they torture fans of canceled shows. (Ex: Daisies).
Look at the numbers! Kyle XY had 1.42 million viewers for the 2nd episode of season three (down from 1.5 million for season premiere; and down 33% from season 2 premiere). Thats with the lead in of The Secret Life! Usually when you have a larger lead in your suppose to INCREASE or at least hold 10%-15% of your season two premiere. Kyle XY was slipping, so ABC Family cut its loses as the production costs were probably rising with slipping ratings. Simple as that!
^Another reason ABC Family most likely cut it was because Lincoln Heights season three premiere pulled in 1.66 million viewers. Thats an INCREASE from its past episodes, and a record for the show. Thus ABC Family renewed it for a 4th and 5th season. You renew a series when it grows, and cancel a series when it falls. Easy as that!^
I’m aghast at the elitist attitude of some of the posters in here who feel they have nothing better to do than try to dissuade fans of any show to try and get their favorite shows back. The past has shown us that there have been successful campaigns to bring back canceled programs, ie Jericho and Futurama. Did these pessimistic people also try and dampen their resolve? If they did then it failed. Fans of Kyle XY will continue to strive to bring back the show, with or without ABCF, preferably without seeing how their programming is no longer about family entertainment.
@Lauren Richards and Dan
I am not trying to disuade anyone from saving “their” show. More power to you. I hope you succeed. But don’t fault me for finding amusement in the spectacle you create in the process.
All “Fanboys” consider themselves the one true bunch of fans. I swear, I could literally just change Kyle XY to TSCC and the post would be inter-changeable in past post here and elsewhere.
The words of Josh Friedman, Executive Producer of TSCC in response to that shows Fanboys drive to Save TSCC is very applicable here also. He said and I quote “It is time to move on, let it go”
Not even devine intervention by Starbuck will bring Kyle XY back.
Kyle has been Terminated.
~Lanie~
I understand where you Kyle XY fans are because I tried to help save ABC’s Pushing Daisies. The truth is, there is almost NO CHANCE of it getting renewed.
No chance?
People said their was no chance when we won that save the show poll…
We proved them wrong.
Any rabid bunch of people can win polls. Fans of Sharon Corr, the violinist of the Irish family rock group The Corrs, are voting dozens of times a day in the TwitterWall contests to make sure she wins every one she appears in – and I help.
Says nothing about making her new solo album number one when it comes out.
Ditto on fan campaigns to save shows. Ninety nine percent of the time they DO NOT WORK!
As they say, if you want to play the odds, you have to know the odds.
It’s clear that some posters don’t get at all what happened with Kyle XY. This was not a case of a show on the bubble getting cancelled and now fans are in a twit. This show was likely “cancelled” last summer. They waited to officially do it once the third season started..I would assume due to contractual obligations and sponsorship. They did not promote the show at all and many fans did not know it was on. I smelled a rat last fall when there was still no info on when the third season was to start. Why promote a show you’ve already decided to cancel? Third season ratings are irrelevant because the network already decided to ditch it. Of course ratings would be lower and ABCF knew it. Everybody gets disappointed when the shows they like get cancelled, but this situation was different. There was a real dishonesty and disrespect shown by ABCF. Even some entertainment bloggers commented on it. I wished they hadn’t shown the third season at all since it ended on such a huge cliffhanger…I wouldn’t be half as mad. If you guys want to rationalize crappy behavior by network execs go ahead… but I won’t.
Lori
There was a real dishonesty and disrespect shown by ABCF
This is the thinking I don’t understand. The show is provided as entertainment and you pay how much to watch it? You have how much financial interest in this? You DVR it how many times?
If it was so apparent cancellation was last summer and I have indeed found many articles from highly respected blogs saying so as far back as October 2008, then why all the “Shock”.
KYLE XY was cancelled for the same reasons 99% of all shows are cancelled.
Low viewership and no profits
I know, it’s an insult, ABCF didn’t consult the fanatical fanbase. Go figure.
~Lanie~
Let’s keep this topic going. I just love reading the snobbish attitude of some of the people that post here trying to belittle the fans and always wanting to get in the last word. Quite humorous actually. We’ll continue doing what we can to try and keep Kyle XY alive, whether it be on television or not.
Kaylie, indeed, let’s keep it going! Keep hope alive, keep hope alive!
Everyone needs a hobby!
LMAO & ROFL
SEO or search engine optimization is my specialty so I know what I am talking about here.
All of you fanboys constant fighting here have made TVBTN the Google Authority on Kyle XY being cancelled
TVBTN ranks Page 1 Position 1 for the search term Kyle XY Cancelled
Out ranking the big boys like
TV.com
Zap2it
Scifi
Yahoo
IGN
and even ABCF !
Way to go
~Lanie~
This article made me lol. The comments made me lmfao. Why are the most outspoken fanboys/girls always the least stable… It’s dead and done. None of it will change. Move on.
ABCfamily ratings going up this year doesn’t mean that they are fine without Kyle XY…They can do much better with it.
By the way Mr. Gorman, by saying that… you’re throwing our efforts against the wall. That’s not very nice of you. Most of us have jobs and lives to attend to and we dedicate a part of our precious time to get this show back. So the last thing we want to hear is that we are wasting our time…
Anyway, since ABC Family has decided to continue desrespecting us by all means necessary, we’ve decided to focus on geting SciFi network to pick up Kyle XY. At least, they know how to end their shows properly.