Live + Same Day Cable News Daily Ratings for September 3, 2009
P2+ Total Day
FNC – 1,405,000 viewers
CNN – 672,000 viewers
MSNBC –423,000 viewers
CNBC – 192,000 viewers
HLN – 316,000 viewers
P2+ Prime Time
FNC – 2,682,000viewers
CNN— 1,202,000 viewers
MSNBC –958,000 viewers
CNBC – 138,000 viewers
HLN – 549,000viewers
25-54 Total Day
FNC –380,000 viewers
CNN –204,000 viewers
MSNBC –142,000 viewers
CNBC – 65,000 viewers
HLN- 149,000 viewers
25-54 Prime Time
FNC – 658,000 viewers
CNN – 308,000 viewers
MSNBC –270,000 viewers
CNBC – a scratch w/ 53,000 viewers
HLN – 181,000 viewers
35-64 Total Day
FNC – 646,000 viewers
CNN – 307,000 viewers
MSNBC – 216,000 viewers
CNBC – 107,000 viewers
HLN – 178,000 viewers
35-64 Prime Time
FNC –1,142,000 viewers
CNN – 518,000 viewers
MSNBC –459,000 viewers
CNBC –88,000 viewers
HLN –255,000 viewers
Morning programs (6:00AM-9:00AM) P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
FOX & Friends- 1,004,000 viewers (344,000) (608,000)
American Morning- 418,000 viewers (200,000) (252,000)
Morning Joe- 357,000 viewers (122,000) (207,000)
Squawk Box- 171,000 viewers (73,000) (114,000)
Morning Express w/ Meade- 301,000 viewers (244,000) (249,000)
5PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
Glenn Beck– 2,865,000 viewers (664,000) (1,254,000)
Situation Room—608,000 viewers (120,000) (220,000)
Hardball w/ Chris Matthews—570,000 viewers (145,000) (315,000)
Fast Money—209,000 viewers (60,000) (103,000)
Prime News–243,000 viewers (95,000) (112,000)
6PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
Special Report with Bret Baier– 2,159,000 viewers (496,000) (974,000)
Situation Room—533,000 viewers (113,000) (194,000)
Ed Show—590,000 viewers (192,000) (324,000)
Mad Money—186,000 viewers (64,000) (116,000)
Prime News — 282,000 viewers (114,000) (146,000)
7PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
The Fox Report w/ Shep –1,881,000 viewers (507,000) (842,000)
Lou Dobbs Tonight—521,000 viewers (124,000) (196,000)
Hardball w/ C. Matthews—673,000 viewers (203,000) (338,000)
Kudlow Report —137,000 viewers (54,000) (81,000)
Issues– 414,000 viewers (131,000) (211,000)
8PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
The O’Reilly Factor – 3,068,000 viewers (684,000) (1,216,000)
Campbell Brown – 723,000 viewers (143,000) (246,000)
Countdown w/ K. Olbermann – 1,242,000 viewers (345,000) (586,000)
CNBC Reports– a scratch w/78,000 viewers (a scratch w/ 28,000) (55,000)
Nancy Grace – 744,000 viewers (207,000) (326,000)
9 PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
Hannity –2,699,000 viewers (710,000) (1,173,000)
Larry King Live —1,265,000 viewers (323,000) (529,000)
Rachel Maddow Show —990,000 viewers (253,000) (494,000)
Big Mac: Inside McDonalds – 207,000 viewers (65,000) (126,000)
Issues- 474,000 viewers (150,000) (220,000)
10 PM P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
On The Record w/ Greta Van Susteren —2,266,000 viewers (568,000) (1,024,000)
Anderson Cooper 360 —1,618,000 viewers (458,000) (777,000)
Countdown w/ K. Olbermann – 643,000 viewers (211,000) (298,000)
Money Chase: Inside HBS – 128,000 viewers (65,000) (83,000)
Nancy Grace –461,000 viewers (192,000) (230,000)
11 PM P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
The O’Reilly Factor —1,439,000 viewers (434,000) (732,000)
Anderson Cooper 360 —1,683,000 viewers (598,000) (878,000)
Rachel Maddow Show —694,000 viewers (248,000) (320,000)
Mad Money – a scratch w/ 97,000 viewers (a scratch w/ 26,000) (a scratch w/ 50,000)
Showbiz Tonight– 417,000 viewers (219,000) (216,000)
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P2+ = viewers over the age of 2
(25-54) = Adults 25-54 viewing
(35-64) = Adults 35-64 viewing
Prime Time = 8-11pm
LIVE+SD: The number that watched a program either while it was broadcast OR watched via DVR on the same day [through 3AM the next day] the program was broadcast. For more information see Numbers 101.
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Nielsen Cable Network Coverage Estimates (as of October, 2008)
CNN/HLN: 98.63 million HHs
CNBC: 97.13 million HHs
FNC: 94.82 million HHs
MSNBC: 93.00 million HHs
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What happened to all the comments?
it looks like people in America like investigative reporting… in this day and age it isn’t really that difficult to do but why aren’t the major news networks cashing in on the story of the day – that Van Jones is a racist radical and that is acceptable to the white house – It’s amazing what our country has voted into office – an uninformed electorate is an enslaved society.
Well said Brett!
brett, the only think that would have been more amazing that Obama being elected was if the McCain/Palin team had been. We would be in the middle of a full-blown Great Depression 2.
I wonder what Cooper had on yesterday. Those are pretty amazing ratings.
Charlie says:
September 4th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
What happened to all the comments?
Charlie. Didn’t you get the notice? All posts contradicting President Obama are being collected and FWD’ed to the White House. Buy a gun! Turn on Fox News and don’t change the channel.
Or we would be in recovery
Go FoxNews.
Go Glenn Beck
Go Hannity
Go O’Reilly
Go Greta, because you guys are the voice of tomorrow’s generations….
LOL, there is no conspiracy with the comments.
“All the comments” are where they were before. On the posts they were actually made on. We do separate posts for each day of ratings. These are the ratings for September 3. “All the comments” are on the Sept 1, Sept 2, etc. They don’t carry over to the new day’s post.
Omegaparticle– a second great depression will look like a picnic to what is going to happen to this country when Obama’s deficit spending catches up to us. Doesn’t the debt bother any of you liberals? What do you think the result is going to be– China will own us. The only good thing about that is at least Obama won’t be controlling our lives.
Forgot to mention, if anyone on Fox got Cooper’s “amazing ratings” they would be replaced.
Actually China won’t own us because they rely on us for over 50% of their exports meaning that if we collapse, so do they. And besides, if it comes to it, the US can collect debt from other countries and we’d have a surplus. The thing you should be worried about is the printing of money by the Federal Reserve and as history shows, that means trouble.
My Democratic brothers and sisters need to wake up. These are not liberals in the Presidency, these are radical leftists. These people don’t represent the ideals of Kennedy. Have you seen Cuba or Venezuela lately? That is our future if the radical Communist agenda is successful. The American Communist’s want complete power and control over everything. Control of the automotive industry, control over pay, control of the financial system, control over education, control of the media, control of health care, control over your family, control over your religion, control of the environment to the detriment of the people (see the farmers in California). Under this totalitarian sytem, civil liberties and freedom will disappear. Watch Glen Beck, he is the most effective questionner in the media, trying to understand what is going on. Question politicians of all parties and vote them out if they don’t support your ideals.
“Glen Beck, he is the most effective questionner in the media”
Thanks Troy! That made my day. It may be hours before I stop laughing.
He’s Howard Beale if anything.
Yeah, watch Glenn Beck make a fool of himself. LOL Nice place to get your news though really. The man can’t even spell:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-D_S7WOnjg
Beck or whatever his real name is couldn’t even stand up to the Henfest that is the ladies of The View. When did the radical right lose the abiltiy to hide what a bunch or whiny wimps they are revealing themselves to be?
Has Glenn Beck cried today?
Before all the Beck and Hannity kool-aid drinkers here get excited over these ratings,Take in mind that out of 300,000,000 million americans,only 1%=3,000,000.
Only 1% of America is watching Fox cable news.Now add on ABC,NBC,CBS,CNN,MSNBC,HLN,
AT AN AVERAGE OF 10,000,000 VIEWERS COMBINED-The real people of America are watching these channels.Keep staying in the minority of the right wingers ,and not central
America.
Left-wingers are human scum. Soulless cockroaches.
Laura, All the “real people”–what does that mean? What is a fake person?? Keep on trying to avoid the fact that fox is killing all other cable news programs and their ratings are increasing. More and more fake people are wising up to the socialist Obama. By the way apparently there are more fake people than you think– more people disapprove of Obama than approve now. I guess the number of fake people is increasing.Also according to you only 4 percent of Americans are watching TV of any kind. Pretty weak posting, Laura.
All day parts, all days FNC wins. Could it be Americans are tired of the same old crap and finally getting the news and commentary they believe in? Odorman sure doesn’t have anything positive to say and Grace and crime get old. Odorman spends 60 minutes ranting about FNC, what great advertisment for them, no wonder he is getting trounced in his time slot and reruns.
I’ve said enough about the liar that Beck is and that Van Jones isn’t the Josep Menegele of Obama administration. So I’ll join teriyaki in laughter at him and those that follow his ignorant, factually inacurrate excuse for a show.
Sharon, bet V Jones is gone form within the ranks of O’s admin within 2 weeks… Calling Repubs A** Holes may be right, but not “politically correct” and being a 9/11 truther won’t help him either. And beck brought it all up, accurately I might add. Didn’t hear a word about it on Odorman did you?
Anderson Cooper was broadcasting the Michael Jackson burial live from CA. That is the reason for his ratings.
TO: Sharon, please name one, only one lie, that you mention Glenn Beck has made.
If you can name one lie, then I will never post here again. But if you can’t name just one lie, then you will try to pull your head out of the sand and learn something…good luck.
Bravo for Glenn Beck. I heard he is the reason the Obama health care takeover plan will fail. I read all his books and he shows tangible facts not empty especulation. Anderson Pooper will be history, he can only get a million an a half for covering the funeral of a pedofile?
We had this discussion. He claimed that Van Jones was a conviceted felon. But that will be debatable with conformist cattle such as yourself. Here’s another lie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsBvEnaXtgo
If you really want to learn something then stop watching him.
It’s not true Sharon. It’s Barbara Walters who lied and Whoopi Goldberg should refer to Waters as “You’re a Lying Sack of Dog Mess.” Beck demanded for “a damn appology.”
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/05/21/glenn_beck_wants_a_damn_apology_from_walters_view.html
Please find anoter one.
Beck has passion–has anybody seen that on CNN or NBC–CNBC?? To watch other news is a total bore. They must really hate that they are getting beat so bad in the ratings. And I saw that CNN s saying they are #1 watched news cable channel! Somebody needs to send them this website.
Help
By the Way we are not in the minorty
Consevatives 40%
Moderates 35%
Liberal 25%
Gallup Poll
I wonder whos in the majority here
Sharon, the Van Jones story, or lack there of, is an indicator of why Fox News continues to steam roll their “competition.”
Personally, I don’t really care if he is a self-proclaimed communist – many elitist intellectuals are. I think it has something to do with their inability to use “down to earth” reason and hubris. Example: the reason communism failed in X is because they did it wrong, I would do this way.” In short, they tend to forget about human nature while they are building their castles in the sky.
Additionally, Van Jones’ derogatory comments don’t miff me. It comes with the territory of being a prideful elitist. Moreover, sometimes Homer is found nodding. I think that all of us have probably said really moronic things in the past.
However, being a member of the 911 “Truthers” is really too much and too extreme. It not only demonstrates that he is an extremist, but connotes that he has a malevolent attitude towards politics and policies in general. Being a “truther” is the thing that is going to have Van Jones removed from his position. I am somewhat surprised the administration has not already dismissed him. That being said, I expect him to be gone before congress convenes on Tuesday because he is a liability that will distract from Obama’s joint address to congress.
As for the news agency numbers, I think that the Van Jones scandal is an example of why FNC is killing in the ratings. As of yesterday (at least), it was only FNC that was reporting it. At the very best, the other cable news networks ignoring the story equates to intellectual dishonesty and/or a sloppy attitude towards doing their, um, job.
They steam roll because they are the only ones with a conservative viewpoint on the news. They’ve capitalized on an audience that no one else would. Not because they’re “blowing the lid off” of major stories. I certainly wouldn’t go as far as to say that communism has truly failed since China seems to be pretty successfull right now. The truthers are probably too extreme for some because no one from the right would want to acknowledge the governments involvment or lack of action towards what happend on that day. I’ll admit that Jones has said some very derogatory things. I also put into consideration his background, and how he was treated in his life because of his race. I find the hostility he had towards the government for a time to be natural. How are elitist intelluctuals automatically communists?
By the way, I don’t think I’ve seen Fox news report anything about Lynn Jenkins using the term “The Great White Hope” and then pathetically trying back pedal by saying that she didn’t know what it meant. That’s a pretty derogatory statement.
So Sharon is saying the Bush Administration let 9/11 happen or caused it to happen. So do you admit to being a truther. I guess Clinton’s admin is part of the conspiracy too since they had bin Laden in their crosshairs and let him get away.
The usual liberal twisting of what is said. No one said all intellectuals( please note the spelling Sharon) are communists. Regina said many are. Try to show some integrity in your posts.
How about some examples of how Van Jonesd was treated in his life and what has his background got to do with being a racist, communist radical. Please start making some sense in what you say!!
So you are in favor of Communism?? Have you considered a move to China. Of course you won’t be able to take part in the application of free speech as you are now but hey please feel free to make the move and take Van with you.
Sharon,
Did you actually just use China as a successful communist country. The only reason China is successful at any level is because they have adopted a capitalist economic model. The fact that you just seemed to agree with the 9/11 truthers “The truthers are probably too extreme for some because no one from the right would want to acknowledge the governments involvment or lack of action towards what happend on that day.”, has just proven what a fool you really are.
Ooh are we getting a little angry now DB? That thing with Clinton never happend actually, at least not in the way you read about it in a fairytale book. Stop watching path to 9/11, you’ve done enough to rot your brain with Fox. The “enemy” of Beck also stated clearly that he’s never let his belief in 9/11 influence decisions he’s made.
Don’t talk about twisting facts when you said I was in favor of communism. I pointed out that not all forms of it are unsuccessfull, not that I was in favor of it. I also didn’t say that all intellectuals are communists. I asked why she thought that any of them could be communist. As for background, he grew up in south during the 1970’s, when there was still alot of hate towards African-Americans, and he was arrested for demonstrating at trial against a group of white men who brutally beat a black man because they felt the had the right to do so as officers.
Van Jones won’t go anywhere. I love the fact the we won’t get removed and it will enrage people like you that he will have a say in our governement, no matter what you and Beck try to do.
Poor Sharon. I was raised in the South in the 70’s and the African Americans were treated better here than in the north despite what the liberal media portrayed. Can you give specific examples of him being mistreated in the South or are you saying all blacks were mistreated??
He did not demonstrate at a trial — he was arrested during a riot after the trial,where police officers were found innocent. It was recognized they protected the public from a maniac in a car on crack.
Poor DB, just keep telling yourself all of those things.
Oh Sharon, that last post –just too clever. I guess as usual you have nothing to back up what you said about Jones being mistreated in the South.
notice that all repups are fat and have mean faces they are commies get power by uesing fear the dont want to pay taxes are lazy and hate blacks look at the people that watch fox fat ugly and from the south teeparty fat mean and loud sore loosers go dems go dems tell them what it means to be a christian and be kinde repups are the gop grand old perverbs
You would never believe a word I saw no matter what DB. Research his early life. If you listened to any of his speeches, not just the sound bites that Glenn selects, you would know exactly what he is saying and what he’s trying to get across. What bothers as well is that Beck or any of the far right would never ahd gone after anyone like him if he was a republican. Case in point Lynn Jenkins.
*say, excuse me
Hey Sharon your an IDIOT!!! Republicans don’t have that point of view you IDIOT!!! The Marxist Communist and socialist are all in the Democrat party. I think The Great one Obama is going to destroy the democrat party. UnFricken believable!!! MARXIST=DEMOCRAT=TERRORIST All the same
You are the idiot Shane. I didn’t say that republicans were communists. You’re party already is destroyed though by people like Palin, Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, and Malkin among others. They’ve alienated moderates and kept more and more of them away from the right.
“You are the idiot Shane. I didn’t say that republicans were communists. You’re party already is destroyed though by people like Palin, Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, and Malkin among others. They’ve alienated moderates and kept more and more of them away from the right.”
Are you really that far detached from reality? Why is Nancy Pelosi’s approval ratings incredibly low? Why is a democratic controled congress’s ratings dropping daily? Why has Obama’s numbers plummeted? All the while republican numbers are on the rise.
Democrats with all this healthcare debacle is driving independents and even their own party away. All you have to do is look up numbers and you can see that for yourself, but you don’t seem to want to look up anythng to prove anything one way or another. You like to accuse others of not knowing the facts, not looking them up etc. but your the one that is wrong on almost everything, and the more you try to argue the more laughable you’ve became. Virtually nothing of what you’ve said is true Sharon.
You were referring to Van Jones a communist. Come on Sharon don’t play dumb. I don’t think she’s playing she just IS! CLUELESS!!! MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same. Van should get the Axe any time now. NEXT! Cass Sunstein a Communist. And then Mark Lloyd Socialist. We need to get the IST out of the Whitehouse. We will do the Vetting for the Great Messiah Obama. This is fun isn’t it Sharon? I think we only have about 20 more to get rid of. Could be here awhile. LOL!!
Hey Charlie 29% OH MYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!
Olbermann is a joke…He never has anyone on who even slightly disagrees with his views. I don’t agree with Maddow on anything, but at least she has an opposing view now and then. I can’t wait for the Republican Convention in 2012 to see how Olbermann squirms out of not attending…
Look at the polls for how many people are now confused because of the healthcare “debacle” that the republicans made seem controversial, when it is not. If polls shave dropped it’s because of how people like you and your supposedley “patriotic” party exploit and distort things. While your parties numbers continue to drop everytime one of oyur speakers opens there mouth. When you look at the polls of Americans after they’ve been shown what Obama’s plan details then you’ll see that they start to agree with what he has proposed. Do not debate with me about truth Charlie.
No need to debate you on truth as you seem oblivious to it, and have no intrest in learning or hearing the truth. Again another post from you with nothing but falsehoods.
As far as things seeming controversial. Why don’t you look at what is in the 7 or 8 different versions currently floating around in the House and Senate. There are some down right controversial things in them.
Obama has no plan first of all. He hasn’t came up with anything to give to congress. All the different bills floating around (3 or 4 different ones in the House and Senate each) have came out of committees. Not from Obama. So how can anybody be shown whats in “Obama’s plan”, when there is no set plan, and he hasn’t came up with one of his own first of all?
See what I mean? Nothing but downright wrong statements from you. Actually its lies and BS. I don’t think you’ve posted one true statement on here.
Damn, forgot to add, please show me the polls you speak of because I can’t find them. So eithe show them to me or admit that its just some crap you’ve made up. Which I already proved above anyways, I just want to read why you can’t show me the polls and numbers that you speak of.
Sharon,
I said that are many elitist intellectuals who are communist due to various reason. Here are a few: I attended university (ies), I happen to have read many books, journals, columns, editorials, etc. by those who perceive themselves as elite intellectuals and noticed their communist tendencies or sympathies, and long ago I deduced the general lack of uproar over grave ethical abuses by communist nations by said group. For example, although Stalin killed millions more than Hitler, the former is never mentioned. Really, I thought it was common knowledge that there are many communist elitist intellectuals…goes to show you never can tell. Additionally, you should note that I always said, elitist intellectuals, not intellectuals – there is a difference!
Dave already beat me to the punch about China and its economic system. However, let me add another: communist nations all fail when it comes to respecting human dignity. There are grave ethical abuses in communist nations. The Communist Manifesto may look great on paper, but it cannot be actualized. One of the problems (which is connected with human nature) is power. Unlike other metaphysical realities such as the true, the good, and justice, power is much more grounded in the actual and thus can be said to have finite qualities with regard to people. For example, what is true is true. You may say something that is true and I may say something that is true, but neither truth is negated or diminished by the other. With power, however, this is not the case. If you have power over me, my power is diminished – it may not be gone, but you still hold more power than I. Hence, in communist countries there is the obvious problem that those in charge hold an exorbitant amount of power over the populous. Due to the lust for power and other human failings, ethics are eroded and blatantly destroyed in communist countries by the government system.
I hope for your sake that the Obama administration dismisses Van Jones before Tuesday. As I said before, he is a liability. They will lose a lot of credence if he stays. In addition to this, they will also be viewed as condoning Jones’ sentiments (because they did not fire him – and it would imply they knew before). If Jones is still there by Tuesday, I can say without any reserve that the administration “acted stupidly” and “could have calibrated” their appointment of czars better and with more wisdom.
You apparently watch Fox News – which needless to say breaks pattern from what you said about it being merely conservatives who view it. I rarely watch news on TV. I also do not listen to the radio. I prefer to read the news (call me old fashion). My daily routine of news is: Yahoo! News, The Wall Street Journal, Drudge Report, Breitbart, Real Clear Politics, and here (
). By the end of the week I have also visited (not just links) The New York Times, The New York Post, The Washington Post, The Washington Times, Huffington, BBC, Telegraph (UK), Newsvine, Rasmussen, and my local newspaper’s site Oh and if you are wondering why I knew about the lack of coverage on Jones, it is because of my thorough check of news each day online.
And as for the health care debacle LOL. Try doing a demographic search of all countries. After that look into A) how many millions of baby boomers there are (Hint: it will exceed the population of entire nations that have socialize medicine) B) how there is a shortage of health care providers (this has been common knowledge for years.). Once you have done that I suggest looking into economics (HC being 1/6th the economy). Then use your common sense. What big government entity (outside of the system itself) is not full of bureaucracy and always on the verge of bankruptcy? I understand why the elderly were pouring into those meetings, and to suggest it is the big bad Republicans is funny. And no I do not have health insurance. I am one of those annoying people who does not have it because I don’t need it at this point in my life. So yes, I can say for sure, I am one of the millions uninsured. I also don’t want their option, and the president comparing the government plan to the USPS still has me laughing… but like I said, sometimes Homer is found nodding. Although perhaps in this case it was more narcolepsy than a doze. I mean, is he that clueless about the post office. I hope not.
Helga…….sticks and stones……
I wish FOX would give Charles Krauthammer his own show. I wish the webmaster would put the latest posts at the top.
The polls speak loud and clear. Way to go America…..the message is clear….we are tired of listening to the “mainstream” liberal media and we want to quit hearing how conservatives are war mongers, wealthy, elitist, destroyers of the planet, bible thumping, gun toting, redneck and racist. Nothing could be further from the truth. The truth….America is filled with people who love their freedom to pursue life, liberty and happiness(sound familiar).
I personally want reap the rewards of my own hard work, not live off of the work of others. I don’t want to worry about political correctness, I prefer to work on my moral correctness. I live within my means, and our government needs to do the same. I want a less government, more free enterprise. I love this country’s diversity, but I want immigrants to come here legally. I want to speak out on issues I care about and not be accused of being a radical or extremist. Am I wrong for wanting the things that made this country great, a country that people flocked to because it had these simple beliefs? I am conservative, I am middle/working class, I am a wife and mother, and I love my country. I am tired of being persecuted by the mainstream media and so are so many others!
Regina:
How refreshing reading a post that is thoughtful, logical, informed, AND polite.
Keep ‘em coming.
NorCalMom It’s ok now we took the fourth estate away from the leftist in the old news media. We have the power now and they can’t stop us. The old leftist news media is going out of business. Think of it like this. A guy in is apartment in L.A. took the reins of power away from the old media and they all laughed at him and called him names. It was like they were so drunk with power they didn’t even notice how their lock on the media was being eroded day by day. That guy in his apartment in L.A. that almost single handedly destroy President Clinton was MATT DRUDGE. His website gets 8 billion hits a year 8,000,000,000. The old leftist media is OVER!!!!! Free at last free at last thank god oh mighty free at last. Isn’t free speech GREAT??? MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same.
You went to school? Good for you, why I think that might be a turning stone for you and the right, and you can read. Oh wow, go get a f****** medal if you’re so proud of yourself. How many “elitists” do you think are actually communist outside of whatever the hell you read about poltical figures years ago. Thank you though for assuming that so many liberal are communist all because of Stalin. I’m half German, I might be a f****** nazi!
As for ethical and inhumane treatment, look at how we people we thought were terrorists since 9/11. We stepped on many rights and practiced torture to the point that even Colin Powell said on larry King that he believed we were less safe during the last eight years. He also said that he felt much more comfortable under the Obama admin.
I’m not saying, nor did I say in any post that, I believed in communism, but I wouldn’t dismiss it as a total failure, at least not every version of it. The capitalism no doubt benefited the Chinese, I wouldn’t dispute that, but clearly they did something with there system that made them more successfull than us. Since they practically own us now. They are the one system that I doubt will eventually fail though.
Van Jones will not be removed from his position. He was put there to aid the environment and that’s what he will do. Not express his beliefs about 9/11 or communism, I claim he made almost two decades ago mind you. The reason you barley see any story about him is because there is hardly a story there, and frankly, I think there are important topics that could be covered other than teh skeletons in the closet of a public figure.
I’m well aware of the baby boomers. I happen to be one. The issue is that we have a health care system that not enough individuals in this country can afford. No one should die because they cannot afford health care, and no one should go broke because they get sick. I don’t doubt there are problems with proposed bills in the house and senate right now but none are as controversial as having death panels or forced abortions or whatever kind of crap is put out to the public.
As for polls, Survey USA states that 77% of Americans find the public option to be important CNN 55%, Kaiser 59%, CBS 66%. Another poll showed almost 70% of Americans are now confused about health care issues thanks to the townhall “protesters.”
Sharon, if you check the internals of those polls you will find they poll 12 % more Democrats or run polls of only Dems and Reps leaving independents out. Here is the fallacy of your statement. If those numbers were correct, why are the dems themselves not willing or able to pass a plan with a public option? The only two polls I trust are Gallup and Rassmussen. Gallap polls all voters while Rassmussen Likely voters. One leans slightly left the other right. If you average the two you will find there is no support for apublic option. Do you relaize tahat the protestors are the elderly. Your base? They do fear the 500 billion in cuts. By the way, polls are not stagnant. To read them right you must look att he trend and it says that there has been a negative trend for quite some time. How can republicans be first told they are disappearing shrinking party and then blamed for the lack of support when the numbers from the left and right have been what one would expect. It is the indepenednets on the issue that have been making the difference!
Van Jones stepped down.
Please show me those internals. They will pass a bill that has some form of the public option, they won’t risk losing there base to satisfy a few republicans. If anything, the reason why they wouldn’t pass it is because there trying to rush it through too fast. The negative trend comes from the town hallers who are protesting based what they’ve been told is controversial when it is in fact not as controversial as it’s being depicted. I think it is also some dissatisfaction with how it’s played out in the media and that little is getting done because of it. As far just personal relationships with friends, family and people I know and talk to who consider themselves to be conservative, most of them feel ashamed to have people like Palin and Beck “represent” there party and are disgusted by the antics at townhalls, even from people who are of my age group.
VAN JONES IS GONE!!!!!! What now Sharon?
WHOS NEXT?!?!?
Even with his resignation, there will be another czar to take his place and do the job that he was suppose to. This resignation is his chioce not the choice of the administration. It’s just too bad that Bush’s boys didn’t think of doing this. It would’ve strengthened the country rather leave it in the weak state it’s in now. Glenn will still attack him, and Van Jones will still do his part for this country. If anything he might be more of threat to Beck now that he’s not in the public light and doesn’t have to worry about being attacked by a “recovering” alchoholic, drug-addict and biggot piece of s*** that Beck is. Those are things that Van Jones will never have on his resume. Beck might’ve “gotten rid” of someone who would’ve made a difference, but he’ll do nothing to affect the adminsitrations policies to change this country.
No ones next Charlie. Go f** drag a kid and have a beer with Warren Jeffs.
Ummm Van Jones is the definition of Biggot. Please show me where Beck is a drug addict or a biggot? Van Jones’ political career is done. There may be another Green Jobs Czar, but you can bet your last dollar they won’t be anything like Van Jones.
Nothing but pure lies and hatred from you Sharon.
If you really a devoted listener wathcer follower whatever the hell you want to call yourself, then you’d know he admitted it on air. He still is apparently. Van Jones will still be there and he will still piss people like you off who don’t belive in a freedom of religion or ideas.
You got back from beating that f** quick buddy.
Sharon: “No ones next Charlie. Go f** drag a kid and have a beer with Warren Jeffs.”
Wow I honestly cannot believe you just said that. You have absolutely no credit with anybody here on this site now after that. Your true colors finely come through.
I don’t even know who Warren Jeffs is, but I just looked him up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Jeffs Again your true colors have finely came out.
Really think Nobody is next? The Science Czar, FCC Diversity Czar to name two right off the top of my head. They have to go. I’m sure there are others. You are seeing that America will not stand idly by and let these people run the show.
Nothing but pure hatred and lies from you and now everybody sees your true colors Sharon.
I was using terms I thought you would be familliar with. I’m not homophobic moron. Don’t call me a liar when you just said you had no idea who Jeffs was. You follow him every day and then say, if I’m more like him then I know in my heart it will make me a better person. Don’t try to deny that. This is the part where you try to distort anything I just said, which is what your hero does. Be real proud of yourself. No one else is going Charlie, and if they get replaced by someone just like Van Jones I will laugh my ass at you.
Sharon, I feal for you girl. Stop drinking the cool-aid! Jones himself says he is a communist but you care to defend soomone the administration dumped on a Saturday night on a long weekend? Congress tried to pass a bill in two weeks but it was stalled by moderate Dems. You have control of all branches of government and yet you still balme the Republicans? Do you know how silly you sound? Moderate Dems do not like the bill because the majority of Americans are opposed to it. Even liberal polls of CNN and CBS acknowledge this much. Of course, they teach you to say that it’s because of the racist as I have been called. I, Unfortunately, am a Puerto Rican former Democrat who loves his country too much to see it taken by the far Left. Enough is enough already! Let’s BE INTELLECTUALLY HONEST. Bush was a bum and so is Obama!
I won’t call you a liar, you are so much worse than that but I am not a person that cares to engange in spewing BS hatred and filth online. I’m about done responding to you because you have resorted to these type posts. Your no longer even trying to discuss the topics at hand, you have gone to spewing pure hatred. Nobody will ever take you seriously on here again. That is if they don’t shut the comments section down because of people like you on here throwing around racial and sexual slurs, on top of your ingnorance to facts, and lack of understand to whats going on in the goverment.
So what if Van Jones gets replaced by somebody just like him. I guess I give Obama more credit than you as I know he won’t make the same mistake again. If Obama should be so dumb, then he’ll be on his way out also not to mention the replacement. There are several other Czars that must me removed from power also, I can’t wait to see WHOS NEXT!!!!
Jones not knowing what he was igning is BS. Check out the rap album he made with a group of others. http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/09/unreal-van-jones-even-released-war.html He is like Rev. Wright. This is Obama. America wake up.
He admitted that almost 20 years ago and later said that it would not affect his decisions and he appologized for his statements. Why did he have to step down after appologizing for those things? Apparently you don’t have to that if you’re on the right though. If he were a republican than this never would have come up as an issue for Glenn. And since most liberals seem to equal marxsist’s and communists according to the logic of some, I guess it wouldn’t have been an issue for them either. They can get the bill through with some kind of public option with the moderate democrats despite what’s been reported. I don’t agree with everything that Obama’s done so far, but I think it is way to early to call him bum, and certainly to early to equate him to Bush.
No one would be next. The only government you will ever understand is what a guy like Jeffs and other right-wing lying biggots tell you should be a government. The kind of government that got us into a recession. I do feel bad for referring to the durogatory term because it probably gave you and your buddies a good idea for a game next weekend didn’t it? Obama will be president and no one else will be on there way out on account of stupid excuse for humans like you and Beck. There’s nothing you can do to stop it Charlie.
You obviously don’t watch Beck. He called out bush because he was fiscally irresponsible. He ran a debt 500 billion and everyone, Beck, me the country gave Obama a chance. Now he has runned up a debt to 4 trillion and an unnecessary control of healthcare to add another 1.6 trillion. It does nothing to curb the cost in ten years and will balloon and destroy the private sector to get single payer. THESE ARE IRREFUTSABLE FACTS BY his OWN CBO. You want to talk about Beck a political commentator. I want to talk about czars who are unelected and do not go through a confirmation hearing. One holds an opinion I can leave ort take, the other has power because he has the president’s ear and influences policy. Listen to all his audio and tell me that he has given up his communistic view?
Wright, Ayers, Van Jones all hold the same philosophy. Waje up. Stop drinking the cool-aid.
Theres nothing I can do to stop what? Now even your hatred your trying to dish out here is becoming incoherent and hard to understand. Why don’t you just stop?
Your wrong on EVERYTHING that you’ve said here. Why do you feel that now you only need to spew pure lies and hatred, trying to slander me. All your doing is killing any credibillity you may have had. Just stop, enter a new name and email address and start over atleast or something.
Sharon, when one is afraid to listen to the opposing view, that is when you shut yourself from reason. Olberman’s ratings drop because over time people can see he spews BS. Beck actually might knock O’Reilley who has held number 1 for 8 years straight. You can take or leave what he says, but he makes a vehement case. It’s just an opinion. No more and no less than what you get from the MSM. The difference is which one is making common sense? This is where FOX’s ratings are going up.
I’m not drinking any cool-aid. I’m assuming that Beck made that statement when he was on CNN. I doub that he’d be able to do that on Fox. I said that I don’t agree with everything that Obama’s done. At the same time, I have issues with Republicans who didn’t offer much of a plan to help. They just criticized the president everytime he opened his mouth. If there were proposals that didn’t involve things like lower-taxes and no oversight, things that got us into this mess, then please show them to me. Even if Van Jones hadn’t entirley given up all of his communist beliefs, he stated that he would set aside personal beliefs to do a job I think he would’ve been successfull at if actually given a chance but now won’t for reasons I’ve gone into enough.
No I won’t stop Charlie, and if you read my post you would’ve seen that I meant there’s nothing you can do to stop Obama and his policies no matter how hard you try.
Look at Beck’s ratings when he was on CNN. He wasn’t doing very well. While Olbermanns numbers maybe down slightly with in the past year or so, look at what he averaged a few years ago compared to now. They’ve increased greatly.
Sharon, you are more fearful of a political commentator rather than someone in power influencing policy. Beck made the comment against Bush on CNN, on his radio show and numerous time son Fox. Beck is a Libertarian (like an Independent by the way). The problem with Obama and why his numbers are crashing is because his rhetoric IS NOT matching his policies. The mess you talk about is a talking point. Bush inhereteded a recession after the tech bubble crash. Bill Clinton and a Republican Congress balanced the budget (kudos to both parties here). Aside from that, this country has had a debt as long as its history. Obama is a big government tax and spend liberal. He is NOT fiscally conservative. Rassmussen points this out. People are finding him to be very liberal after sounding and running as amoderate.
Jose, don’t loose any sleep debating wiht Sharon. You can see above what type of person she is.
The MSM’s ratings went crashing down when they lost legitimacy in actively trying to destroy Clinton. The moderate Dems like myself and the older Dems (like the ones in these town halls who were voting more for Hillary), noticed the cruelty of the media and its bias. It was too blatant not to ignore.
I got hooked to Fox when I saw Hillary go on there as did Obama. O’Reilly is number 1 for a reason. Hannity is very partisan but at least you know what you get. Greta is a sweet heart and Cavuto is fiscally conservative. Beck is hard hitting but gets one to at least question things and not be a sheep. You can either accept his point of view or not. He is interesting to follow and he is right about Van Jones otherwise the administration would not have cut him loose.
I know what a libertarian is. We had a surplus at the end of the Clinton years and with a few years of Bush we were in a defeciet. Obama doesn’t have to be a fiscal conservative to balance the budget. He ran as a democrat who wanted change, something that won’t happen overnight and will take alot of time. Any economist will tell you that this is going to take a while to get out of. I’m not fearful, just angry that people like Beck influence so many and causes the kinds of displays of inhumanity that you see from town hallers and birthers among others.
The administration did not need to cut Van Jones lose. For Becks questioning, do you mean like looking at artwork displayed at NBC’s headquarters and then making the assumption that they therfore are communist.
@Sharon
I’m curious, What is your purpose here ?. Why do spend so much time trying to tell others what you are so intent upon. Sharon is a Jewish name and I find it interesting that lately the Jewish people are not at all pleased with the current administration in the U.S. Just thought I ask for more clarification along your current post upon this site. Be careful, I will assay your furthur responses. You seem a bit out of sync.
Beck denounced birthers! What makes townhallers terrible? The surplus in the Clinton years is because he said “the age of big government is over.” It is a phrase Dick Morris coined, a Republican advisor, because he shifted to the center after seeing his rating plummet to address gays in the military. The problem with Obama’s change is that no one knew exactly what change is. Once policy is crafted, people say “that’s not the change I want!” Obama’s adminsitration knew this. It is why he tried to push it through in two weeks by setting deadlines. Clintonw as a Rhodes scholar and graduated from teh London school of economics. Obama has no legislative experience and has never runned a business. He blindly buys what his advisors want – for me his inexperience hurts him, not the color of his skin.
Sharon, what is you infatuation with Beck? Let it go. He has good ratings because obviously he hits a cord with people. He made a point and he won. Van ones is a communist. The Rockerfellers hired a communist artist to decorate the lobby. As a New Yorker, I know this. People were upset by it. There are hard Left communists who are in the democrat party. There has been for years. Does this surprise you? As a registered democrat, I do not have anything in common with them. I am Catholic and believe in free market principles. However, I am socially liberal.
Sharon just said “They just criticized the president everytime he opened his mouth”
Wow, oddly enough, that sounds so familiar……hmmmmm, oh yes, I seem to remember that Bush was treated that way for 8 years by the mainstream media. Funny how the pot calls the kettle black. Bush had his flaws, but at least he was a proud and patriotic American who never cowered down to dictators or apologized for US citizens and our core beliefs. President Obama wants Americans to be apologetic and humble to other countries and world powers, which will only strengthen our enemies resolve to destroy us. Right now is the wrong time for an American President to act submissive and apologetic…..we need strong leadership, not charisma and smooth talk.
NorCalmom, I agree. I witnessed 9/11 and there are people out there who DEFINITELY do not like us!
Sharon, please stop. Do you realize how foolish you sound? I am one that, you, without even knowing anything about me, would call a bigot/racist/ignorant/plain ol’ mean person (because I’m white and conservative), while my other friends (dems & Repubs), will say that I am a bleeding heart liberal. My point is that you have made such ignorant broad brush statements about conservatives, that you’ve made yourself look like a giant hypocrit! I’m starting to believe that is why so many Americans are fed up with the democratic, soon to be communist, party.
He has good ratings only cause he’s on Fox with an audience that will unfortunatley take him seriously, not cause he’s hit a “cord.” If he had, he would’ve done that somewhere other than Fox. Who did the Rockefellers hire to decorate it? And that certainly doesn’t make it the evil communist worshipping buiding that he described. So, instead of the “inexperienced” Obama you would’ve rather had Sarah Palin who went to three community colleges and couldn’t name newspaper she had read. Oh and I think people knew what change was after the last eight years.
@NorCalMom
Yeah Bush was so patriotic he was a draft-dodger. And got people killed and totured cause Cheney told him to. Real good ol American wasn’t he?
@Smolenski
Sorry for being in the minority here.
Sharon, whether he’s on Fox or not, he’s still beating the other cable news networks–by a lot! Leave it alone.
And by the way Sharon, you do need to be fiscally conservative when you’re balancing a budget, know why? Because it’s my money, not the governments! A simple little fact that is conveniently overlooked by liberals.
Sharon, do you have facts about these torture tactics. And I’m curious….if you were to be taken as a POW, would you prefer to be a POW of Al Queda/Afghanistan or the USA? Be truthful.
Sharon,
Sarah Palin would kick your a** in a debate. Just as she did to Jo Biden.
Hey Sharon Those pieces of “ARTWORK” as you call them are what Glenn Beck said they were. One of them has Karl Marx Lennon Mussolini Hammer and sickle. All of these are at NBC headquarters makes sense. You know where they film NBC news outside in Rockefeller plaza. And one of them is on the property of the U.N. The TRUTH will set you free. MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same. Don’t you just love free speech!!!! LOL!!!! Go GLENN GO! About 39 Czars to go. We get to do the vetting. USA USA USA!
Ok, there is no denying FNC is a media powerhouse. Good for them. However, if you want to watch the actual news with actual journalists, watch MSNBC or CNN.
By the way, Glen must be a Terrorist or marxist because he’s IN ROCKAFELLER CENTER AS WELL!!!!!
And the MSM is a cross section of Americans? And you are definitely showing your lack of history. The point Beck was making that the Progressives were infiltrated with communists. How long have you been a Liberal? The right have their crazies and we have ours. Let’s be honest, OK? Based on your points, you sound young. Sarah Palin was inexperienced and so IS Obama. Except one is president and the other is not. Who cares that Obama went to an Ivey leaugue school. Bush graduated from Yale. Did that help the country?
Will, are you serious? I’ve never seen an anchor that is conservative leaning, other than Scarborough in the am. Fox has a ton of democrats and liberals on their talk shows!
Will, the MSM is no longer legitimate. The ratings show this.
Fox’s rating have climbed because of the disenfranshised Democrats and moderates who have fled from the MSM politics of omission trying to pass themsleves off as objective. The Van Jones story is a perfect example.
Well put Will well put
@Shane
Glenn works at the very same building dumb ass
@Susan
Look at his ratings when he was on other networks, he wasn’t beating anything until he came to Fox. They’ve proven the torture tactics, heard of Abu Grhaib or Gitmo. They’ve got testimony from people who were tortured and abused. That’s an incredibly stupid question of where would you rather be. No one should have to be in either camp honey. Sarah would just nod and wink at me in a debate and then exploit 9/11 and wonder where the hell her script went.
The slandering of the town halls is another.
It is always interesting to me Will and Sharon how Obama could do no wrong. Repeat after me. Van Jones said he was a communist. Beck exposed this. The MSM ignored it. Jones stepped down. Beck and Fox won! You can only bring up the past when the facts hurts too much.
I challenge you to watch FNC and fact check each major story that is played during the day just to see how often they are lying to you. I have done this with both MSNBC and CNN. I am not trying to instigate a fight on who is right or wrong, I would much rather start a Healthy debate on who lies and who does not in the MSM. By the way guys and gals, I myself voted for McCain and am heavily conservative and even I can’t stand Beck or O’rielly on Fox Noise.
Bush was only went to Yale because of his dad, Jose. And ratings don’t equal legitmacy, if they did Fox would be nowhere. Rockelfeller is still not the evil communist building people think that it is. It never has been.
They didn’t win a thing Jose.
Obama can to do wrong and the FIRST people to call him on it are at MSNBC!! They just tend to not lie about his mistakes, or call for terrorist attacks on U.S. soil like cluster fox does on a daily basis!
Sorry to say Sharon, but I would rather Americans not experience another 9/11 because we are too afraid to take the necessary measures to stop the terrorist groups who COME AFTER US and bring destruction to OUR SOIL. We need not apologize for doing what any other nation would do when provoked or threatened. In fact, I think we do not go far enough……I am tired of our sissy senators and representatives, and the cowards who lead them! Americans, good, decent Americans are tired of sitting back quietly and letting our country slide into government control and socialist agendas. The right has been complacent for some time, but not any more! You can call conservatives whatever you want because we are done apologizing and we are tired of being accused of racism, being homophobes and war mongers, selfish rich white folk and whatever else the left comes up with to make conservatism look bad! Done listening….now, we get our heads out of the sand and stand up for our beliefs….no more liberal agendas!!
Will, you don’t watch FOX if you think that Beck and O’Reilly is their hard news line up. They are jsut political commentators like Hannity and Greta and Geraldo. Chris Wallace, Bret Baeir, and Cavuto represent their hard news. Fact check them. There is no objective media anymore. It’s a myth due to the politics of omission. EVERYONE sways their media coverage. It still doesn’t take away from the FACT that Van Jones is a communist guys! Chris Mattews, Anderson Cooper, and Olberman don’t have a degree in jounalism.
Sharon, and Obama went to Harvard and Columbia because he was black. Doesn’t this argument sound as dumb as the one you just made? Rockerfeller is not a communist building and that was not Beck’s point. The artwork was commissioned by a marxist but Rokerfeller is not one. But the Progressives were infiltrated by the hard Left. There are Marxists in the democrat party just like there is a fringe group of racists on the far Right.
Tell you what Norm, tell that to the families who have lost a father, a brother, or a sister to someone preaching your reteric (sic) about five years ago to Iraq instead of where the real terrorists are in Afghanistan and see how long you last without getting slapped.
I graduated from a very liberal school and my thesis advisor was an open marxist. A very nice guy but I did noit agree with his view. Obama reminds me of him. They believe in very big government and control of the private sector by government to “spread the wealth” and craete equality. I do not hold this view. Americans are catching on to this fact. Obama is not a moderate, he never was. This is why teh company he keeps is important and is revealing. The Hard Left is controlling policy and people are wondering why Obama is not the centrist he porported to be on the campaign trail?
I salute Fox news for it’s achievements in cable news programming. It seems that Fox allows, and often invites, guests with liberals views to speak on their programs. I have tuned into CNN, MSNBC and other networks to see what kind of news coverage and talk show guests are allowed, but have seen very few conservatives being given airtime. Be wary of the FCC czar who will try to restrict future programming that does not cater to the liberals agenda.
Keith Olbermann graduated from Cornell Ag. University with a suma cum lade with a masters in journalism. Look it up. BTW I did watch FNC during the “hard news” hours and found myself being lied to on a regular basis.
“I didn’t vote for him, but he’s my president, and I hope he does a good job.” John Wayne on Kennedy election.
We took the rein of power away from you leftist. The fourth estate is run by us now. Hey did the New York Times say the words VAN JONES yet? LOL!!!! LET THE VETTING CONTINUE! Sharon isn’t this fun?
As along time MSM viewer I have switched to Fox because of the politics played with teh news. Fox has its share but you at least know up front they tend to be conservative. They would air stuff the MSM avoids and paint in a different light. They are just suave about it but now most people see through this. The MSM has lost the confidence of the people to keep this administration in check.
I am one of those families, Will.
And you, Will?
Ok shane, your giving us real conservatives a bad name. Go to your corner now like the voices in your head are telling you to do.
I lost my dad in an IED attack. I hate this war.
I used to watch Olberman. He graduated from Cornell in 1979 with a B.S. in communications arts – not in journalism! He was heavily disliked at ESPN because he is a hothead. He worked at FOX Sports where he was disliked as well. MSNBC tolerates him because they have no one else and he is their equivalent of Hannity except that he does not get his ratings.
Hate to tell you this…but Comm. Arts IS journalism.
Will, my boy, B.S. communications arts is not a masters in journalism as you falsely stated. Look it up.
I did hosey, and M.S. in Comm. Arts is a journalism degree.
Again B.S. in communications is NOT THE SAME thing as a masters in journalism. O’Reilly earned a M.A. in Broadcast Journalism from Boston University. O’Reilly also earned a Master of Public Administration from Harvard University’s John F. Kennedy School of Government. This is why he always gets the better of him. To be fair, Hannity is an intellectual lightweight, but he appeals to populist sentiments. Hannity dropped out of New York University and Adelphi University.
I was wrong Jose, I apologize.
I wish 9/11 never happened, but it did. I wish the Iraq war had not taken our beautiful family and friends from us, but sadly, it has. I fear for this country more than ever before. I fear that our government will take us into such deep debt that we cannot sustain any type of economy. I fear that our 1st and 2nd amendment rights will be infringed on and, ultimately, lost. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Socialism has never been successful, yet liberals and MSM seem to disregard all that we have learned from the past. I can’t stand the thought that more than 200 years of work and sacrifice to build the greatest nation on earth is now threatened by the elitist liberal agenda.
Bet you were not expecting that. And I do mean it sincerely.
No problem. I’m still a democrat, just not an Obama lover. If he goes centrist like Bill, maybe I’ll feel differently about him. Time will tell. Off to bed, take care.
Night all! It’s been…….educational.
Your first and second amendment rights were gone when President Bush signed the military commisions act, so don’t give me that crap. By the way tell me what you think the definition of socialism is and then maybe I will accept your argument. I am sorry for your loss in your family, I understand all too well the pain this causes, but please remember, that loss will never be in vain so long as we are willing to fight for our freedoms.
I’m a Republican, and even I think Bill is wrong more often than he is correct. If he was centrist I would watch him, but he is extreme right. Keith Olbermann may be extreme left, but at least he does his research on his stories before he broadcasts them.
Our first and second amendment right were gone when Bush was president? WillY put the crack pipe down. You know what’s funny Willy? We took the fourth estate away from you leftist and you didn’t even do anything about it. Did the New York Times say those 2 words VAN JONES yet? We set the agenda now so sit down and shut up willy. Isn’t free speech great!!! USA USA USA!!! MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same.
Look guys these nuts are arguing about getting a degree from one of the leftist Universities. “WOW my degree is better than your degree” “No it isn’t”. “Yes it is.” VAN JONES has a degree from Yale. LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Great Messiah Obama has a Degree along with his wife. Stupid is as stupid does. You tools! IMPEACHMENT Is right around the corner. MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same.
Glenn works at the very same building dumb ass. WHAT??? Hey Stupids Sharon and Willy. Glenn Beck is the one revealing that it’s there right? The fools at NBC NEWS won’t even talk about it. Hey you leftist just get out of the way we’re going to clean the place up ok. It’s fun being in charge of the fourth estate it’s like I have power all of sudden. I think I will use my newly gotten power to VET all the Czars. Next on our list and we do have a list is CASS SUNSTEIN. Let the Googleing begin. LOL! This power thing can go to your head. Don’t you guys just love free speech? MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same.
Careful Shane, your really going the way of Sharon. I can’t believe people actually seemed to take her seriously after some of the things she said above.
Well I see we all had while I was sleeping.
@Shane
There was nothing pointing out in building. And don’t call Will and I stupid when you’ve just been repeating the same phrase about free speech and the marxist eaquals whatever over and over again. If you are so patriotic then go join up with military and serve your country. You won’t though pussy.
@Susan
There’s no reason to step on any persons to rights to fight someone. Maybe we wouldn’t have been attacked if something had been done earlier. Yes Clinton tried and failed for 8 years to capture Bin Laden, but Bush didn’t do a thing to take his threat seriously and then sat in a class room wihtout a clue as to what was going on. Colin Powell himself thought we were less safe during the Bush years partly because of thos tactics. We have every reason to appologize for things we’ve done. Republicans refusal to appologize for those things only shows there arrogance even more.
@Julio
Oh you’re saying he got in simply because he was black, that’s a load of bulls***. There’s a huge difference between those two things Julio. Bush had every privilege in the world and Obama certainly didn’t.
Hey Sharon, just another one of your admirers here. Just catching up on the posts since I went to bed. Charlie is right you have gone even deeper off the deep end. Its funny that your spelling gets even worse as you get angrier.
Bottom line is Van Jones resigned thanks to the Fox News Network and mainly Glenn Beck. The MSM had zero coverage of this story so it is entirely the power of Fox that saved us from this guy. The best part now is that several of our Congressmen and Senators are calling for hearings on the appointment of Czars in general. They are concerned with the lack of vetting and possibly the constitutionality of these types of appointments. So maybe they will all go but if not then Cass, Eric Holdren and Mark Lloyd ( not a Czar but the most dangerous of them all) will go especially if Glenn Beck goes after them.
Will, go to olbermannwatch.com if you want to see just how many lies and distortions Olbermann tells in one night. I will have admit that watching Olbermann can be fun– fun watching a egotistical jealous windbag go crazy because even Beck beats him in the ratings (about 2.5 to 1) at his 5 o’clock time.
Imagine what Beck could do if they move him to prime time!!! Times are achanging!!!
Last thing–I hope Sharon isn’t a secretary because if so she is soon going to join Van in the unemployment line.
I love how she is now calling Jose, “Julio” in her last post. VERY classy Sharon!
Beck couldn’t touch Olbermann when he competed with him on CNN, we’ve already covered this DB. The only reason Beck still has a job is because of Fox. MSM didn’t cover Jones because there were more important things to cover than him. You were not saved from anything you scared little bitch. These hearings will produce nothing. What amazes me is my computer reeks of S*** every time I read one of your posts. Point out all of the lies that Olbermann says by the way. Be thankful for how conservatives are being recieved right now. It won’t last for as long as you’d like them to. I can’t wait to hear about how many more advertisers Beck loses. Now go fact check and then beat off to Anne Coulters voice. You wanna talk about hate then.
Sharon, I hate to stoop to your level of name calling and four letter words but I have to ask you to explain one thing in your post. How can I beat off if I am a bitch?? You really have hit rock bottom.
I hope your prediction of the hearings producing nothing is as good as your prediction of Van Jones not resigning.
Now go practice your typing and get a dictionary for your spelling.
Also try living in the present–all of Fox beats Olbermann and the rest of MSNBC by a mile. That is a fact!!
Sharon please stop with the personal attacks and vulgarn comments. Your points will be better heard if you are more reasonable and not so emotional.
I am democrat who is not happy with the current administration. I hated the Bush administration, but we are getting the same thing over again with Obama just with different objectives (health care, taxes, massive pork spending rather than war and same pork spending). I used to watch CNN but I find that Fox News at least tries to be more objective and present arguments more rationally which is why I switched over.
I went out and mowed the yard after my last post and in thinking about the question I asked Sharon, I feel that was inappropriate. My only excuse and it is not a good one is that her postings are so ridiculous that I just wanted her to see how silly her posts are becoming. I apologize to everyone who reads this site. I will not stoop to that level again. It was probably stuff like that that had the comments for this site stopped a while ago. I am grateful that they have restarted the comments and I don’t want to be even a small part of getting them stopped. I stick to the rest of the post but wish I had not asked the question.
Oh my predcition will be correct. You know what might be more ridiculous then my errors in typing? The fact that Glenn Beck, in his new book “Common Sense” (LOL) considers himself to be the Thomas Paine of his generation and actually seeks inspiration from him. Clearly he has no idea what paine stood for. Paine would’ve kicked the s*** out of anyone as short-sighted as Beck for believing that we are soleley a christian nation, when we are made up of many beliefs and ideologies. He would likley note how much Beck distorts facts and ideas of religion to better his precious ratings, which by the way, do not equal a networks legitimacy.
The shallow excuse for a showman commentator that Beck is is worse then whatever insult I can use to describe you, or whatever term you might use to attack me. Beck uses words like intellectuals and elitists and equates them to terrorists without realizing that some of those same intellectual thinking people inspired those who founded this country over 200 years ago. I country that he s**** on and makes look worse with each statement he makes and each viewer he influences. He even has the audacity to claim to be a decendant of Paine and then bring an actor on his show to play the role and attack Obama. I wonder if Beck ever had the time to read Paines “The Age of Reason.”
Paine once said that “All institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other human inventions set-up to terrify and enslave mankind and monopolize power and profit.” How’s that for common sense? Maybe you should email Beck and ask him about that.
It is an absoloute disgrace that Beck uses someone who was a true patriot like Paine to attack Americans and develop self-promotion. Don’t ever talk to me again about fact checking when your hero Beck clearly didn’t do his research before writing his book.
That is a fact DB!
I’m not going to respond to Sharon’s latest ridiculous post!!
I’m not going to respond to Sharon’s latest ridiculous post!!
I’m not going to respond to Sharon’s latest ridiculous post!!
I’m not going to respond to Sharon’s latest ridiculous post!!
Its like counting to ten– I feel better now.
PS. She is still the worst speller in the world.
Beck is attacking Americans now? You keep getting more and more laughable. You haven’t posted one true fact Sharon yet say that we don’t know what we are talking about.
You are obviously now terrified of Glenn Beck. Look what he did, he made you look like a fool claiming that Van Jones would never resign or be fired. Yet Glenn Beck did just that. Now it seems you are scaref of who is next on his list.
Keep telling yourself that while you’re doing whatever it is to yourself when you watch Beck or listen to Coultergiest DB. I’m angry at Beck, not terrified, angry that someone like him has influence over those like yourself, and that he clearly doesn’t know the history of this country. I just posted a true fact about your icon a moment ago. Here’s another one, no one will be next on his list Charlie.
norcalmon names can hurt you you must be on of them that can relate communists play on fear and the stupid by that garbage the repups fit that bill they are truely the facist here it is not about us the people it is about geting the white house back repups claim to be the good once they dont care they where and still are the john birch society shame on them go dems go dems
Hey Sharon we run the fourth estate now. So sit down and shut up!!! Don’t you just love free speech. MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same.
No shane I won’t. You do not run anything. Now go do what I advised DB to do and put yourself to good use.
shane2813 listen to yourself you sound like the marxist the terrorist and very very brainwashed and dumb just like a fox fan fat ugly and stupid
To all debating which cable news network is doing best, clearly Fox News is winning … you just have to look at the numbers to understand that. What is more important, however, is the underlying reason for its chart topping numbers. The answer lies in the concentration of liberal v. conservative networks. It is rather obvious that conservative news is concentrated in one – and only one – network, that being Fox News. The liberal media outlets – MSNBC, CNN, HLN and CNBC – are not concentrated. Instead, you have multiple entities competing for liberal viewership. If you add up the numbers from all, or even the top three, liberal news networks you will derive a far more accurate accounting of where the country stands.
As for the networks themselves, they all mislead and they all spin stories in a manner that furthers the owner’s political tendencies (except for PBS, but they are consistently a scratch). In my opinion, the degree to which they lie about/spin the news depends on which party is in office. The best solution is to expose yourself to both and make your own determination. If you are unsure about what to believe, use an independent website to check truthfulness. I can’t stress how important this is and an age when we have complete control over which outlets/commentators we are exposed to.
To illustrate my point, a study was recently conducted which tracked liberals and conservatives to see what type of news outlet they would engage when given a completely free and open choice. The results showed that people tend to only read the news that they already agree with.
This is a dangerous situation.
If people only read/watch news outlets that only reinforce their views, minds will continue to close and the country will continue down a path of polarization. In this modern time, people must be responsible for finding news that is fair, accurate and accountable. Do not rely on Olberman, Matthews, Maddow, Hannity, van Susteran, Dobbs and certainly not Beck (sorry, he is in a league of his own) to formulate your own personal opinion. They all have a mortgage to pay and a boss to please. Be your own boss when it comes to news.
But we got rid of Van Jones LOL!!!! Isn’t this fun guys? Did you get the list? Isn’t free speech great? USA USA USA!!! MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same.
amen to that.
Thank you for the complement Helga. MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same.
If folks want to see just how ridiculous Sharon’s thoughts are look at her post of sept 6, 10.01 am. She says Beck equates some of today’s intellectuals and elitists to terrorists. She then says these are the same intellectuals and elitists who inspired the people who founded this country over 200 years ago. Please someone explain to me how people living today can inspire people dead for 180 years. Great logic there Sharon.
Coultergeist DB?? Thanks for the compliment.
Alt –how do you explain that Fox’s ratings are going up and all the liberal networks are trending down–even the news shows of the major networks. Need a little help– the country is a center right country and Fox is the closest thing to center right there is on TV.
So you have no problem with being a terrorist Shane? just cause you can spell USA repeatedley does not make you a true American or any better than those supposed terrorists you attack.
@ATL
Thank you for putting things in a nice perspective.
On no now we have Helga– can’t spell and doesn’t use punctuation!!! I have a headache trying to make sense of what she said.
Oh and thank you for stating that Beck is not someone to rely on.
@DB-Fox is not in the center. We’ve been through this. And it was that very thought process of intellectuals like Thomas Paine you moron.
Hey DB I’ll be your translator. I’ve been doing this for many years. MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same. Ask Van Jones LOL!!!!
DB,
First of all, your posts are overly aggressive and need a touch of civility. You and everyone else have said some ridiculous things on this page and I am in no way looking to get involved in that mess. But, the answer to your question is rather simple and is what many experts and scholars call “the unsatisfied shopper theory.” Basically, when a a new political party takes office, the luster from the campaign slowly wears off because of broken promises, partisan compromises, etc. When this occurs, people search for a news outlet that supports or reveals that situation. Here, the democrats have taken the reigns and the luster from their various campaigns has begun to fade. Go back 8 and 12 years and you will see the same uptick in the liberal news outlets. I’m out for the day. Take care all.
Shane, I don’t think Helga or Sharon will ever make any sense but it is fun watching them try.
Sharon,Fox is closest thing to the center of any cable news network–just because you don’t think it is Sharon doesn’t make it so. Please stop saying “we have been thru this”. Just because you expressed an opinion on something doesn’t mean the discussion is over.
You didn’t say “the process” inspired them, you said today’s intellectuals inspired those poor dead people. Please read over your stuff before posting. By the way, you knowing what an intellectual process is, is laughable.
Correction: the last line of my last post should not read “liberal news outlets” only, but simply “opposing news outlets.”
What’s laughable is your support of a guy like Beck who does not know a thing about this countries history. ATL put it very well that each network spins things, guess which way Fox spins. If you knew how to inpertret that statement you would’ve understood it was the thought-process of those same people. Have you not yet pleasured yourself to the likes of Coultergeist?
Oh so sorry Alt– I know you aren’t used to folks questioning your bloviating but it is going to happen.
I don’t think it is the unhappy shopper theory in this case. I believe it is the “oh my gosh we elected a socialist” theory. No one knew much about Obama but voted for him because they wanted change. The Ameican people are now seeing what kind of change is coming if he is not stopped. They are finding that the liberal networks are not keeping an eye on the government like they should do no matter who is president. The have discovered that the only network that is “looking out for us” is Fox. You can oversimplify this and quote unkown experts and scholars all you want but this is a unique situation in our country’s history and you should not minimize it.
By the way if you think I need more civility you should read good old Sharon but wait she didn’t actually have the nerve to disagree with you. Is civility the same as agreement in your mind??
Cause there was nothing to disagree with what ATL said honey. Don’t ever talk to me about nerve you little bi****.
ALT “Go back 8 and 12 years and you will see the same uptick in the opposing news outlets????” Are you CRAZY!!!! The only news outlet on TV with a uptick is FOX NEWS you fool! The rest of the old leftist media are going out of business. The big O on FOX has been number 1 for 8 years. NBC is going out of business. Come on ALT wake up? MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same. Ask Van Jones.
And Fox is losing adverstisers which will impact them pretty soon Shane.
I agree with Alt’s statement. There is too much partisan bickering here. However, a caveat is honest journalism is truly dead. The truth lies somewhere between FOX and the MSM. That is why it is important to entertain both sides and to shut your ears from the other perspective is to be an idealogue. To think CNN is honest defies logic. Engaged readers on the internet, open-minded ones, can find truth but need to search long and hard where the traditional media has failed us.
The MSM for 8 long years lied about Bush. Now you find the same thing from teh other side. This is why there is a growing number of independents in the country.
DB you make my point repups are stupid if they can read my english you belong to the few that watch the crying glenn beck a true fear mongering man you ever hear how he puts things first he says and then he is not saying lost 56 of his sponcers he is not that good my point only the stupid can believe what he is saying the 22% of the repup party good look with him as long as he speaks the better for the dems so it goes for the rest of that lot the 40million a year talk sow host that drive the country appart but that is what you want you dont care you sore looser
Helga, Obama is not God and neither is Beck. Slow down girl! Beck has a point of view. He happens to be right about Van Jones otherwise why resign? Obama is NOT fiscally conservative and there are extremist in both parties. I, for one, am glad they are rooted out.
Jose, I don’t totally agree with all of your statements but they are logically put and I can understand where you are coming from. I still say though that the best place to go from a cable news standpoint to find out what is going on in our government is Fox. The best example right now is the Van Jones situation. None of the other networks and few of the newspapers investigated him or some of the other Czars such as Sunstein, Holdren and the guy at the Fcc, Mark Lloyd. I think Fox appears more right than they actually are because the others have drifted so left. I also agree that you shouldn’t take anyone just at their word. It was easy to check on what Beck said about Jones however, almost all of what he said could be backed up by videos found on the internet.
I will also say that Obama scares me more than any president we have had for the last 50 years and that is why I believe it is all the more dangerous that the MSM is not questioning some of the things he does. It is not good for the MSM to be in the tank for any president but the behavior of the MSM with this president has put this country in grave danger. If it weren’t for Fox many would not believe this or at least be questioning what is going on.
One more thing I would like to add about Fox is they have more opposing view points on their shows than any other show. Beck had on Acorn, O’Reilly quite often has on Mark Lamont Hill and Sean has on Beckel. More righties than lefties admittedly but you can see all the lefties you want on CNN and especially MSNBC.
Thanks for your logical and understandable post. Just happen to not fully agree with all you said as I am sure you will disagree with some I have said. That is what it is all about.
jose obama is your president i am only a visitor in the usa i see crazy things happening here it is unsetteling i hear the same in russa and it sounds just like the stuff coming from fox and the repups trust me i have seen it all
It just amazes me how Democrats do not want to admit there is a hard Left, some communists and socialists, in their party. To think there isn’t is to be blind. As a former Democrat this is what disgusts me. The MSM has become irrelevant to say Van Jones is unimportant, Rev. Wright is unimportant, Ayers in unimportant, Van Jones is unimportant, increasing the size of government and spending is not important. Creating a huge debt than what we inherited from Bush is unimportant. WAKE UP AMERICA. Obama’s policies are hard Left too. Let’ stop pretending already!
DB, as a Democrat I am with you. Right now Fox IS doing better because they are holding him accountable. There are times, though, some Fox reporting is eschewed but if you watch long enough you know that is their stance; one can accept it or leave it. The MSM tries to pass what they say as honest objective reporting and this is where they are losing legitimacy. And you are right, Fox does better to allow for dissident views which the MSM only practices on “soft issues.” On important ones, they load their side. What scares me too is what you said. When one party controls all three branches of government, power corrupts and the hard Left has hijacked my party. I do not agree with everything Beck says, but I applaud his stance on Jones. Beck simply asks us to question; that to me is good reporting. What is wrong with that? We must have intellectual honesty.
I appreciate your civility.
“more righties than lefties” I’m glad you’re being honest. I think the reason they appear more to the right isn’t because of how they go after things but because of what you said more righties than lefties. Look at the Ed Sholtz show on MSM, he brought on a pretty diverse group the other day to discuss Obama’s plan to adress the nations students.
Van Jones was not an ex-con, Beck was wrong on that. I don’t agree with every statement Van Jones made but I don’t think he should’ve been removed and I don’t believe that beliefs he held about 9/11 or whatever level of a communist he might have been would’ve affected his environmental position. What scares you about Obama so much? I don’t agree with eveything the man does but I wouldn’t say there’s a reason to be frightened of him. MSM has questioned he and his parties stance on health care as well as the democratic parties overall lack of back bone on the town halls as well as the rights extremism.
Helga, with all due respect, if you have not lived here and educated here, American politics is complex. To comment on a slither of reality is to miss the combative views that make America great. Obama is my president, but I did not vote for him, nor do I think he is the best thing since slice bread as he has been marketed to be. Bush was bad, but Obama is no better. Obama won by less than 2% more of the electrate than Bush did. He does not have a mandate to turn this country upside down.
And he won’t Jose.
Sharon, what about Beck that bothers you so much? That what he says hurts Obama? There are far lefts and far right in both parties? Is this new to you? Ed Shultz does not have a journalism degree no more than Beck does. THEY ARE POLITICAL PUNDITS! Take it or leave what they say. Don’t take all this tuff so personally. However, Beck IS right. Jones is radical and is a self proclaimed communist. What is wrong in admitting this? Who cares whether we want to call him an ex-con or not. The bigger picture with Beck is to question your government and I am all for that. It was good for Bush to keep him in check and it is good for Obama. Let’s be fair and honest and stay away from the partisan diatribes.
Sharon, we DON’T know but it is important to stay informed as best we could. I am willing to see if Obama becomes a centrist like Bill and be fairly successful or not. If he caters to the hard left (he is leaving others write his bills the country does not want), then he believes as they do. As of now, when Obama tried to back out of the public option, the hard left and the MSM cornered him back into it.
MSNBC has essentially no righties. Fox is much more balanced and no one on Fox is as corrupt and unfair as Keith Olbermann and his sister Rachel Maddow. On olbermannnwaatch.com they showed a discussion between Olbermann and Howard Dean as they discussed how horrible it is to call Obama a fascist. They are right that our Presidents deserve more respect than that. However, interspersed throughut the converstation, the web site showed videos of Olbermann on his past shows calling Bush a fascist over and over. Olbermann is one of the main causes of the interactions between conservatives and liberals to reach such a low level. He is probably the biggest hypocrite on TV and tells more falsehoods than anyone else. Watch O”Reilly at 8 then watch the Olbermann show the next nite and watch how he twists O’Reilly words. Good for O’Reilly for mentioning Olbermann’s name one time in the almost nine years he has been on the air. I think I will be as happy to see him go as I was Van Jones.
Shane,
You are correct to an extent – I don’t need to be called a fool, though. You have to put it in context, however. Fox, being the newest member of the cable news network and the only which offers (mainly) conservative commentary was due to grow at a faster rate than any of the other networks. The relative data is there, however. I’m sure you can find it in the archives of this site in fact.
Jose,
Exactly.
Dearest DB,
While I disagree with your wording, the “oh my gosh we elected a socialist theory” would fall within the “unsatisfied shopper theory.” It may be an outlying element of the theory, but it certainly falls within it. With that, I’m not sure what you’re getting riled up about.
And you are correct, the liberal networks do not cover the President adequately. Nor did Fox News when Bush was in power. This was the point of my first post. And again, please see my first post and you will see I don’t trust any of the big cable news networks.
And no, civility does not equate to agreement in my mind, it means that you should treat those who voluntarily choose to engage in a debate with you in a courteous, respectful and polite manner. Is that so much to ask? If Sharon has been rude or uncivil towards you, I think you can address that yourself. I’m happy that Sharon and others have have acknowledged my post, but I don’t completely agree with EITHER of your views and I’m definitely not taking a side if that is the reason for your sudden and unsolicited hostility. If you don’t believe me, go back and read my post. I have not once expressed my political views or tendencies.
I posted only to make an observation that the ratings are skewed because of the market concentration in conservative news outlets. I didn’t say that there are actually more liberals or anything of the sort. In fact, I would agree that the country is generally center right. All I have done is expressed a viewpoint about the metrics used to calculate the ratings and about news agencies generally. Additionally, I expressed my view that we should all take it upon ourselves to ensure that the news we imbibe is accurate.
Oh, and lastly dearest DB (does that stand for… nevermind), the only people bloviating are you and the commentators you worship. Try thinking for yourself.
Everyone, HAVE A GREAT LABOR DAY WEEKEND.
DB, GOD BLESS your confused, angry little soul.
Everything said about Van Jones was true EVERYTHING! We used his own words to destroy him. It was simple really. We have many more to come stay tuned. It’s like shooting fish in a barrel. MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same. Ask Marxist VAN. LOL!!! EASY!
“Who cares whether we want to call him an ex-con or not” are you f****** kidding me with that statement. I’ve already stated what bothers me about Beck and that’s only been furthered by him actually trying to use Thomas Paine as an “inspiration.” At least Ed was willing to hold a fair debate unlike Beck who just lectures the hell out of his audience, and if not lies to them, he certainly doesn’t fact check much of anything. I would certainly find Olbermann to be much more credible at questioning the government given he is an actual journalist and holds much more of an education than Beck and can produce sources and facts for his stories and comments.
Sharon, why the hostility? Beck is a pundit like Shultz. Both come form talk radio. Whether Van Jones is an ex-con or not misses the larger point. Van Jones uses caustic, inflammatory speech. HE IS RADICAL. If he weren’t don’t you think the administration would have stuck up for him? “Whites polluting poor minorities,” a truther (he rapped about this in his Ella sponsored song), his tone of sticking it to whitey, admitting he is a communist. I am having a hard time understanding why you defend this guy. The only reason I can think of is that you do not like how it reflects on Obama.
Chris Mattews, Anderson Cooper, and Olberman don’t have a degree in jounalism.
Olberman is NOT a journalist. He holds a B.S. in communications which is NOT THE SAME thing as a masters in journalism. O’Reilly earned a M.A. in Broadcast Journalism from Boston University. O’Reilly also earned a Master of Public Administration from Harvard University’s John F. Kennedy School of Government. This is why he always gets the better of him. To be fair, Hannity is an intellectual lightweight, but he appeals to populist sentiments. Hannity dropped out of New York University and Adelphi University. Beck’s education is sparsed.
With all this said, there is no objective media anymore. It’s a myth due to the politics of omission. EVERYONE sways their media coverage. It still doesn’t take away from the FACT that Van Jones is a communist!
Jose have you heard about Cass Sunstein and Mark Lloyd? Communist and Socialist. Hey Sharon we’re going to get all the IST out of the White House ok. LOL!! This is fun!!! MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same. PROOF VAN JONES.
Oh Alt you just fell off the civility wagon.
Shane, I have. This is what disgusts me about the MSM. They stay away from the fact that Obama is basically rewarding the hard Left that got him elected by giving them positions to “influence” policy. Other presidents had zcars, Bush had 8 I think, but I am not in favor of them no matter who is president. THE FACT IS they are radical and should be “disinfected by sunlight” which should be the media’s job. Though I do not agree with everything Beck says, I am thankful he is doing this service for the country.
Your scaring me Jose, I am starting to agree with you more and more. I watch Fox most of the time but also MSNBC– you know the old saying ” keep your friends close and your enemies closer”– want to know what they are up to. My main agreement with you here is that Hannity is a lightwt. I don’t know Beck’s educational background but I will tell you why I admire him. First, he is a recovering alcoholic. Having a family member in the same category I know how difficult this is and to see where Beck has taken himself is quite a tribute to his character. Also I see his passion and how much he cares about this country is again, something I admire. He takes a lot of flack because of the way he presents things but he does his homework and 99 percent of the time can back up what he says. Finally we would not be aware of Van Jones and some of these other dangerous czars if it weren’t for him. That is the definition of investigative journalism. I don’t see this in anyone at MSNBC– they are a useless waste of airspace.
Sharon,
I don’t know if it wise it to respond to you after reading the posts after I left here. However, I shall “test the waters.”
First of all, thank you for attacking me based off my education and knowledge on topics. I am not jesting, but mean it. Thank you for the compliment.
I never said or implied that politician are elitist intellectuals (or communists). In fact, I would argue that most politicians don’t qualify as intellectuals. They are politicians. They are lawyers. They probably are not sitting up at night reading Plato’s Republic (although perhaps they should) and writing extensively on it. Where you will generally find these people is in the education industry and, to an extent, medical fields.
Additionally, I never said anything about liberals. I don’t think being a liberal (in the modern sense of the word) qualifies or acquaints the person to being an intellectual. I think it is both insulting to intellectuals and liberals to use such truncations. Furthermore, I would never and have never said that liberals are communists.
Moreover, I don’t think communists are intellectuals per se either. Some of them are State side and in other non communistic countries, but if you actually look at communist leaders in communist nations you would be hard pressed to find a philosopher king. Personally, I can’t think of one.
As for ethics, did you seriously equate the vast ethical abuses in communist nations to a few miscarriages down at Gitmo? You know, before those memos came out I thought a lot more people were water boarded, but how many were there, three or four (I can’t recall the number now). I was surprised it was so few considering how well known it is. Additionally, the second hand smoke thing I just thought was funny. I have a feeling why they did it: those being interrogated are smokers and were not allowed to light up. I get it. I am a smoker. It would be annoying to not be allowed a cigarette when you can smell it and when you having a bad crazing. But torture? No. I also might add, who is paying for their habit? They are not. So I assume America et the international Red Cross is paying for the cartons. Sleep derivation is the big one for me because I love to sleep. However, I am reluctant to call it torture for various reasons. As for threatening to haul over family members: well it is a threat and a pretty idle one at that (and now they know it too). Torture? No. Oh and stress positions. Perhaps I should sue pilates and yoka for inducing torture on the masses all for the sake of losing some weight. My point is that nobody was worked to death on a marginal diet, no one was strung up by a piano string for hours at a time, no one was ruthlessly beaten, no one was burned or had their nails removed, and no one saw their loved ones being slowly killed by some thugs. All of the above (and more) have been done to those dissenting from the government in communist counties. Hence, in good conscious, I cannot equate the grave ethical abuses done in those nations to what happened at Gitmo. One more thing, though, if they are moved to super-max prisons across the US, their life will be that more hellish. Prisoners have their own sense of ethics and justice: these people would be dead within a month. Hence, they would have to be placed in isolation for the duration of their life – something that would be far more tasking than water boarding (of a few) or sleep deprivation for some days. The other option, and the one they will probably do is create a Gitmo here. YAY. Maybe it should be called G2. But you know if I was one of those prisoners, I would prefer the climate of Cuba and the new facilities over some prison that shut down due the recession in say Michigan.
China: They are the one system that I doubt will eventually fail though. Actually, China is a ticking time bomb. They will fail and it will be horrible (for them and us) when they do. For instance, there is so much pollution in their cities that is projected that in around twenty years there will be something akin to an epidemic of people dying. Additionally due to the one child policy the boy/girl ratio is c. 7 to 1 now. Wise Mother Nature always had it that there were more girls than boys for obvious reasons. The funny thing about the latter stat is that the Chinese government is showing some concern over it. For instance, they are now allowing special people to have two kids with their approval. Unfortunately, these younger people are generally not taking the government up on its option; from what I gathered, they are used to the system of one child per family and don’t want to be imposed upon. All I have to say is just deserts. By their own sword they are being destroyed – ironic. One could write a great novel about this whole debacle.
@ Jim S thank you so much for your kind words.
No you won’t Shane. Go do what I advised you to do earlier.
Excuse me for my mistake about Olbermann, He’s still more of a reporter and questioner then Beck or O’reilly ever will be. Van Jones also stated repeatedley that his beliefs would not have affected his decisions with the envrionment and with creating new jobs. Something this country needs right now. in addition to that he also had issues with the statement onvolving the truthers that he signed. I doubt that Beck would’ve “reported” any of this Just because a person might hold a certain belief does not mean that they will execute it and force it upon others. If he actually had a criminal record then I would’ve been more concerned and probably would’ve been less in favor of him. What bothered me with that statement was that it was done to make Jones look worse than could’ve made him.
As far as I can see, Beck means well. He shows he loves his country. I can’t fault him for that. Olbermann and Schultz come off as arrogant, bombastic, and snobbish. It is why their ratings suffer even among democrats. I surely stopped watching the day Olbermann scolded Bush. Way over the top. I dislike Bush for many reasons I wont get into but he took criticism on the shin. Obama gets way too much pampering from the MSM. This is dangerous especially when I know how the hard Left is driving this administration. I am willing to give Obama the benefit of the doubt, but it appears that he caves to his hard Left. I ask, what does this say? Is he the moderate he was said to be or is he really radical too? IT IS A FAIR QUESTION to ask given the countless associations.
I doubt that China will fail Regina partly since we depend on them too much. I’ve seen a person get waterboarded in front of me before, it is torture. And research some of the other things that they have done. If it were not for Obama we would likley be close to China’s inhumane pratices now.
Friends Close and enemies closer-I wish that life was really that black and white DB.
Sharon, they are all pundits! Do you understand this? Say I agree that he is not an ex-con. Does that take away that he is a professed communist whose words in interviews, books, and rap song speaks to the very same radicalism we are concerned about? Are you doing your research? Forget about Beck’s for a second. Do your own work. Beck at least made it an important issue.
Beck comes off as a complete clown and a raving lunatic from what I’ve seen. Believe it or not, there was actually a time a few years ago when I watched him frequently because I did like how much of a centerist he seemed to be. It was after the midterms in 06 that he just started going off the deep end for me. I don’t know about all of the pampering but they’ve questioned Obama a great deal on health care latley as well as the economy. Even Olbermann has done segments about both of these things.
During the Anita Hill hearings after a series of implausible witnesses all of whom were black Yale law school graduates, Juan Williams wrote in the Washington Post that he could now understand the wisdom of the saying that Yale law school had ruined more good black minds than crack. I have found that to be an accurate observation and have always been grateful to Juan for having brought that to my attention.
Obama’s communist “green czar” lays out why this is so:
“I had a professor who encouraged me to apply to Harvard and Yale [for law school], which was almost unheard of for students coming from the kind of public schools that I was coming from in the rural South. I was accepted to both places, and decided to go to Yale because Yale didn’t have any grades and was smaller than Harvard. I figured, once I enroll I’m guaranteed to graduate, so I can just go and be a radical hellraiser student, and they can’t do anything about it. Which is pretty much what happened.”
Sharon, Juan works for NPR as a Fox contributer and Van Jones’ own words “so I can just go and be a radical hellraiser student, and they can’t do anything about it. Which is pretty much what happened.” I say NOT THIS TIME.
Olbermann says he wants Obama to act “more like Bush” Is this sane? Olbermann wants Obama to be as partisan as he is? I am not that far Left. If it was wrong for Bush, it is definitely wrong for obama. Let’s be intellectually honest. Whatever you think of Beck’s antics, the fact is HE IS RIGHT about Jones. I do not practice the politics of personal destruction.
I know they are pundits. I never said that him not being an ex-con wouldn’t take away from his beliefs, but he did state that he could put them aside to do his job. Beck never reported this that I know of. I also don’t see Beck questioning recent comments that the right has made. Like what I’ve mentioned a few times about Lynn Jenkins.
He was still wrong about aspects of Jones’s life. I’m not arguing about what his beliefs were.
Beck is a Libertarian and is conservative. So what? He is right about Jones. Beacuse he tends to be partisan, does it make his overall point invalid? I can take anyone’s comment and discredit them all day long. Van Jones is bad news and he is not the only one holding a zcar position who is radical in thought.
Sharon, read this college interview http://www.collagefoundation.org/people/people-vanjones.html
There are plecty more stuff out there. Please don’t tell me you think this guy is as great as Wright or Ayers.
We need to make a pool about how many Czars will be destroyed. I’ll take a guess about 20-25 and how many people in the Great Messiah’s White House will be Destroyed. That could be much more. We still need to get to the bottom of the Terrorist from Libya being released. What did the President know and when did he know it. Did The Great Obama help get the Terrorist released? For OIL!!! OH MYYYYYYYYYYYY!!! MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same.
Why didn’t he mention those things about Jenkins or how certain townhallers have gotten treated by republicans, which I find to be more frightening then Jones’s beliefs. Michael Steele case in point. Beck still distorted things about Jones no matter how right he might have been about his beliefs. If Olbermann is presumably as partisan as Beck is, are his points just as valid as Becks?
Yes, in part. I treat them the same. Does that surprise you? But Beck is right on this one. If he is wrong on some of it is not the point. The fact that he had us questioning is a good thing. We can come up with our own assumptions. I for one think that OVERALL Van Jones is bad news. I am not into killing the messenger so I stop listening to the message. When someone tells me not to pay attention to such and such, it peaks my interest. We have to stop the petty partisan bickering. The real truth lies somewhere in the middle.
Politics and how its covered is all about splitting hairs. Let’s be frank and give credit where credit is due.
You use the word Townhallers as defined by the MSM – “crazy white racists from the far right.” There are many democrats who are a part of the tea party like my dad and myself. There are many centrists and independents. Obama’s numbers sinking quickly was done by a poor concerted effort form the MSM to make these protests a partisan issue and marginalize the opposition. Most of us are seriously concerned about our deficits and freedoms. Is this such a partisan idea?
Sharon:
Just curious, who did you see water-boarded? Were you down at Gitmo or was it at some party with a mini pool of beer? I never said anything about that practice, save I was surprised about the number of those it was done to. But you should know, Navy Seals and other elite forces in the military go through far worse.
As for China, there is no way we can prevent internal combustion. Their viability is within. I am not so arrogant to say we can save them or prevent it. Sure, we can beef up their economy, and they can have people working until they are 80 or 90, but the fact of the matter is within a few decades that will not be enough. It has to do with number
. They cannot sustain themselves regardless of us due to the truncated sex ratio of those born and in their twenties. ‘Tis just facts. Oh wait, no. They could do a Sabine women thing and go conquer a nation to get all the girls…but that would go over like a led balloon, and probably would not be enough at that. What I hope will happen is the system will fail before this catastrophe and the new government will appeal to the masses to have as many kids as they can or else there will be in mass chaos (and serious ethical impediments on females). But maybe that is just wishful thinking.
Olbermann is not partisan. He is a mean spirted unhappy man. He is crushed by the fact he is getting killed by all of Fox. He can’t stand it. He has the same four people on his show everynite and you can predict what his stories will be. Something derogatory about Beck and O’Reilly, something negative about Palin, something negative about Michele Bachman and then some twisted logic about how his ratings make him number one. Same thing every nite.
Poor Sharon– she doesn’t understand much of what is going on. The point was just because someone is partisan it doesn’t mean a point make by them is not valid especially when backed up by facts, videos etc. It doesn’t mean however that being patisan automatically means your point is valid. Its ok, I will do my best to help you keep up with the conversation. ( To Alt– I know this isn’t civil but her lack of depth and understanding and her lack of civility just bring out the uncivil DB). By the way Alt I was surprised and how quickly you turned uncivil. Reading your posts I figured it would take two or three posts disagreeing with you before you fell into the usual liberal name calling and personal attacks. I know your kind buddy– you think you needed to come in here and set all us stupid folks straight and when you were not greeted as the intellectual saviour of us all you got pissed. I love this posting stuff. You far left liberals are so easy.
Db , allow me to disagree. Olbermann is VERY partisan. It is why his ratings are low. The moderates don’t turn in to watch as they would for O’Reilly who tries to keep it fair. O’Reilly likes to play devils advocate sometimes which is much appreciated. Olbermann too on a personal level is not liked by many. He was hated over at ESPN and Fox Sports because HE IS EGOTISTICAL and can’t admit to being wrong.
jose obama 53 macain 47 =6% =7 millon i can count can you that is the brainwash you get from fox news nice try bush/kerry bush 150.000 more bush/gore bush 537 more i know my usa history and studied usa politics
Helga, 3.6% more than Bush. Bush 49.4 versus Kerry 48.7. Remind me what your point is again? I watch all news but favor Fox bevcause they are keeping the current administarion honest. How long have you “studying” politics? My point is still the same. Obama does not have arun away mandate to overturn this country on its head. No president, left or right has that mandate.
Ratings are low? His ratings have improved over the past few years and he averages over a million viewers. That’s not quite what O’reilly has but they certainly are not low.
DB-He might be partisan but what he’s said about those you just mentioned are true. Olbermann backs up his points with facts DB like what you suggested, he’s done this quite a few times believe it or not, Beck was lucky with Jones. I didn’t mean that the point wasn’t entirley valid I meant that he would rarley if ever attack republican like Michell Bachman who encourages people to slit there wrists as a form of protest and Lynn Jenkins who is apparently in search of the great white hope. Did you go do what I asked of you yet?
Sharon, wow, you really love Olbermann! If you trust his data as fact you are misinformed. All these guys are partisan hacks. Olbermann is one of the worst. He does not have a degree in journalism – but offers partisan parsed facts much like Hannity. I take Beck and O’reilly any day.
The only thing Olbermann is qualified to speak about is the score of the football game. It’s hilarious how he makes up his own ratings and declares himself #1.
Not even the football score! He was hated over at ESPN and they couldn’t even wait to get rid of him.
He fits right in at the ultra-liberal MSNBC…What excuse will Olbermann use to get out of attending the Republican convention in 2012. He’s a big talker when he has no one to talk back.
every one is talking about the dear leader glen beck he is a mormon maby many wives i am not saying he has but can you be shure can you trust an ex trinker be carefull repups you trusted an ex trinker once before see where that got you
Sorry we republicans dont have the morals of liberals like…Bill Clinton.
Beck doesn’t even have a degree Jose and Hannity’s a drop out so it shows what the hell you value when you get your news. And since Beck managed to prove that a Yale graduate and the author of two best-selling book was a communist, why did he need to lie about Van Jones’s criminal record? Was that necissary to prove his point? No it wasn’t. He did it to attack his character. That was his only intention, to discredit someone.
No, instead you take an interest in young boys like Mark Foley.
Helga, with all due respect, your comment is incomprehensible, and above all, childish. I won’t even entertain your comment about Beck because, honestly, it’s made up slander. I don’t agree with everything he says, but man, where have all my serious democrats gone? My party has become a party of kids and partisans!
Sharon, baby girl, relax! If you read my earlier posts you will see I made the points you did. Olberman is no better! However, you tend to think then that he was wrong about Jones. Repeat after me, it’s ok. Jones himself admits to being a radical and a communist. Why is this so hard for you?
I dont agree with Foley, but dont make it sound like they were underage. Just ease your tensions – have a drink, light a CIGAR, and think about the warm memories of the legacy of Bill Clinton…
Beck’s education versus Van Jones who said “I had a professor who encouraged me to apply to Harvard and Yale [for law school], which was almost unheard of for students coming from the kind of public schools that I was coming from in the rural South. I was accepted to both places, and decided to go to Yale because Yale didn’t have any grades and was smaller than Harvard. I figured, once I enroll I’m guaranteed to graduate, so I can just go and be a radical hellraiser student, and they can’t do anything about it. Which is pretty much what happened.”
Sharon did you get the list? MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same PROOF VAN JONES AND ELF.
jose bush second term had politicall capitol to spend remember he told you he had a mandate with 150.000more votes then kerry my point you said obama won with 2% it does not matter to me what you believe about obama all i know is if you give him a chance it will be ok no shoe will be tossed at him usa has done a good thing by voting him in you just dont want to see it the greatest country in the world is willing to let some of its people get hungry and die because they are poor or cant pay a doctor not in any wester nation will this happen
Helga is your middle name Sharon?
Helga, you as a foreigner do not understand our traditions. We are a compassionate nation. There is more freedom and opportunity here than anywhere in the world. I was off by 1.6% and so what’s your point again? Obama seems to be allowing the hard Left run my party. You do not understand our health care system. At any point you can go to the ER if you don’t have health insurance, even illegal immigrants (I do not agree with this). Though you think that the rest of the world is better at feeding the poor and taking care of their health. This is simply BULL. I lived abraod and, please, what a crock. This is why most Americans are smart to know that we don’t need an overhaul of our health care. I am not a socialist or believe in statism. Please study more American history.
I didn’t have an issue with him being a communist, or the fact that those of all things those were the skeltons in his closet, and I said that I didn’t agree with everything that he has said in his life. But, I don’t believe that some beliefs he’s held would’ve affected what he was assigned to do. I don’t think that he was that much of a liability to Obama adminsitration, and I think he would’ve done good things for this country despite what Beck feared.
jose you see that is exactly how beck starts a slander first he makes a comment than he says i am not saying that is what i said i figure it will get to you no lie he is a MORMON check it out
Sharon, if this is so why did the adminsitration cut him off?
helga, read better. He is of Mormon background when he married his wife. You do not do much research. Secondly, my objection is that you said he had multiple wives. Was this your attempt at humor? Honestly. Overall point, HE WAS RIGHT about Van Jones whether you like him or not. God what is up with my democrats!
When the Republicans had to defend the indefensible they shrank as a party. Demorcats stand to do the same. Most Americans are moderates.
They got pressured and endured too much controversey. It wasn’t because of how he would’ve done his job. I’m sure he’ll resurface somewhere and do the best he can for this country no matter who attempts to diminish his character.
Hey Jose elaborate please. Your wrong Jose most Americans are conservative 4:02 pm ?
Sharon. Here is the difference between me and you as a democrat. Our far left has radicals, socialist, marxists and the far Right has religious zealots and racists. I will call a spade a spade. Van Jones was a self avowed marxist and to say he would have done his job free of this bias is ludicrous. He implies that it is his life’s ambition. Just listen to all his statements from his own mouth. As a liberal in college I was always told, as many are to this day, that to change the system , you have to be part of the system. In eseence, what radicalism is. The problem is, what are we becoming? It is the theme Beck asks us to think about. To this extent I agree whole-heartedly with him.
jose social security medicare medicade postoffice state parks voting rites for all schip wick wellfare unimployment cobra food stamps healthcare as it is now all startet by dems
Shane, I agree. 40% conservative 20% liberals. There are more conserrvatives in all 50 states. As far as party identification goes liberals used to have an 8%-11% edge over Republicans but it’s around 2$ on Real Clear Politics. Conservatives can also mean moderate democrats as well. i.e. I am fiscally conservative but more socially liberal. My point is this country is slightly right of center. More moderate than extreme. I amprobably what you would call a blue dog democrat. I am of the JFK kind not the Ted Kennedy type.
helga, and they are all bankrupt. They are riddled with fraud. Fix what we have. Why create a bigger government takeover. Some radicals’ tactics is to allow the current government runned system to fail and burden the private sector. This way they can get at single payer. As a long time democrat, I have known this to be the strategy for YEARS! I believe in free market principles.
jose you are no dem no dem would defend glenn beck the MORMON beck talks about being a mormon while he cries
Jose If JFK was alive today he would be a Republican. What has happen in the Democrat party started after him with George Mcgovern 1972. I remember seeing the riots in Chicago on TV in 68. This is the democrat party today MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same VAN JONES ELF get it. I hope so.
I won’t resort to which-hunt conditions that Beck has. That’s all he did. I don’t doubt radicalism, but it comes with much more hate from the right as opposed to the left. If you listened to his statements he said that he wanted to change the system not radicalize it. If he was executing those beliefs in his position then there would’ve been reason to remove him. There was no reason to remove him now. Beck didn’t do anything but weaken a country in my opinion.
helga, why I got sick of Obama and his believers. Anytime anyone disagree with his stance, he or she is called racist. A little background. I am Puerto Rican background raised in New York. I grew up on welfare and attended Amherst College. I am also a devout Catholic, believe in pro-life and free market principles because socialism does not work! The BIG tent party has become narrow with Obama and the hard Left saying that if you do not fall in line, then you are not a democrat, or worse, you must be racist! I am tired of this and moderates and Republicans are tired of being called all racists. Let’s grow up. My view on affirmative action – it should be applied for all those who are poor, including whites. We need to get past skin color thing.
jose other countrys dont claim they are the greatest
Sharon you can’t be real no way. What party are you in? I think she’s one of those fellow travelers.
Shane, you are RIGHT. This ain’t my grandaddy’s party!
Sharon. I get it. You do not like Beck. Fine! What he siad was fairly truthful. Jones is radical. Jones himself said that he wanted to take power away from the white polluters who were killing our minorities. White kids were sicker and more unloved because they shot people in masse compared to balck kids who wouldn’t shoot up an entire school. Are you reading and listening to his own words. I hate to belabor the point but you are not being intellectually honest. If we call out the extremists in our party, then mayebe the right can get back to calling out theirs. We have 9/11 truthers and birthers. See a bad pattern?
Helga other country can’t claim they are the greatest because we are. Where are you from? The United States of America is the greatest country that has ever been on this earth. Why do you think so many people die trying to get here? I can’t believe I have to explain this to you???
jose i dont care what you believe but i think you are misinformend i lived in st.croix for 7 years know where you come from
I’m real Shane. My party, despite its faults and road bumps will be successfull and will help change this country for the better.
helga, yes they do! And is national pride such a bad thing? Why do you think we have the olympics? Competition and respecting success is American and not that foreign of an idea. All countries have had their share of indisgressions. But I believe my country has done more good than bad.
Jose the black kids burn down the whole freckin city ok DAMN!!!!! This is INSANE!!!! Debating the words of a lunatic. MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same.
He said that regretted signing that statement adn keep in mind there are many versions of the 9/11 truthers. And he is not the only politcian to to put a foot in there mouth and then later appologize for his statement. At least he try to pathetically back pedal away from it like others have. He would’ve done great things for this country despite what others might think of him.
*he didn’t
helga, you resorting to “you must be misinformed.” I am not afraid to say the democrat party is leaning hard Left and Obama is over reaching. How is this misinformed. All credible polls reveal this. Bush did the same thing when he had control with his party. The Dems are repeating the same mistake.
shane 2813 no need to explain any thing to me the things you are writing are very funny ha ha keep on believing the things you say and soon you will be working for fox news
Sharon. You seem to know this guy really well? The proof is in the pudding. There are many who beleiev in green jobs. Let someone else confiirmed by a congressional committee carry the torch. What makes him so special. He was caustic and a divider.
helga simply childish. May I ask how old you are and what do you do for a living?
Jose Sharon has been brainwashed. She’s one of those burned out hippies. You need help Sharon. MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same.
There was no reason to get rid of him. Obama wanted a more diverse staff there was nothing wrong with his policy and what he would’ve done Jose. Shane, don’t talk to me about brainwashing when you repeat a bunch of words in caps locks over and over again.
If Bush or any Republican had a hater no matter what postion held, I would want that person GONE. It’s like saying, I know he is a sexist or KKK member, but it’s ok for him to be in a postion of government power. NO! There are others who can advance what he believed. The administration understands this. This is why they parted ways.
It’s all true. MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same Proof VAN JONES and ELF. I could list a whole bunch of others but not now. Here’s a couple CASS SUNSTEIN and MARK Lloyd more CZARS. Communist and Socialist. Ok?
Shane, I agree with those two names. These quasi positions of power are to placate the hard Left. I don’t like them anywhere near our government. I want real reform, not overhaul!
It’s not quite the same thing as the KKK Jose. Maybe Obama was more impressed by other things he’s done in his life aside from being a communist. Like the fact that he ws an attorney or the things that he did for human rights as opposed to what he said about being a communist. You really would let those statements over shadow everything else that he’s done in his life? I wouldn’t agree with Shane, since that way of thinking is no different than the witch hunting during the McCarthy years.
Jose we need to get the IST out of the white house. MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same. Here’s some more. The Weather Underground and The Black Panthers OK.
Sharon, I respectfully disagree. It’s a slippery slope argument. He is not the end all to push for green jobs. I believe from his own words that he is to punish whitey to help minorities. His own words. This hurts retaining moderates in our party. To pretend it doesn’t exist is dangerous politically. I for one like to look at the world in a post-racial way. Too many of the 60’s radical, us versus them, will continue to set back race relations in this country. We must practive in principle what we preach. We cannot defend the indefensible and expect the other side not to be upset.
I’m not a believer in the us vs. them mentality either. It’s a mentality that the right uses to rile up it’s base as does the left at times unfortunatley. The whole idea of looking at world as black and white with good guys and bad guys as though it’s some old piece of meldramatic literature or a John Wayne movie is just way of thinking that I believe we need to evolve from because it will only hold us back from growing and progressing. I don’t agree with everything Van Jones did, but I still do not think he was a bad choice because of past affiliations and current personal beliefs. There were many other thins the man did in his life aside from holding some form of a communist belief.
After Sharon’s racial and sexual slurs earlier why is anybody even still talking to her? She showed her true colors. If she was on here praising Glenn Beck I’d still disown her as being on the same side with what she has said.
I respect your staunch stance and honesty, though I disagree. Our polarized politics has really hurt our country from both sides of the aisle. It think it was smart to let him go. I am a centrist and want bipartisanship. I do not believe that we can all agree on everything, but we should repsect and be civil and agree on something. Talking heads in the media to me are just that, talking heads that carry the party line. In the end you vote as you see appropriate. I want meaningful reform, but I do not believe it must come at the destruction of the ‘other” because in the end, we are no better than what we destroyed. What we must do as a nation is build consensus. I’m sure Van Jones did good things in his life, but I seriously disagree with was he has chosen to make public. What’s in his heart is hard to tell. I don’t know enough to trust him. All in all, his remarks are hateful and I understand the outrage. For this reason, it was right for him to step down. Our country is bigger tha a czar, a politician, or television or radio pundit, or even our president. It’s about the future of my son and grandson. Take care and thanks for the discussion though we don’t totally agree.
Sharon reminds me of the old burned out leftist that did to many drugs and their brains are fried. Jose you mentioned JFK. A Communist murdered JFK LEE HARVEY OSWALD. And yet Oliver Stone makes a movie trying to say he didn’t. WHY? Oliver Stone is a Communist and he couldn’t have one of his own being resposible for Murdering JFK. And the leftist press went along with him. A arab murdered Bobby Kennedy and the press tried to say it wasn’t him Sirhan Sirhan. And now the old media is dying and they wonder why? Well I’ll tell you why THE TRUTH!!! The old media destroyed itself from within. Death by a 1000 cuts. You lie to people so many times and eventually they don’t believe you. We are the new media now. The old leftist media is dead. We the people did all the work on Van Jones. What did the old media do? NOTHING!!! It’s over go away you useless dinosaurs. MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST. All the same. Michael Moore Oliver Stone. Both Communist.
Just because I used those terms does not make me a racist or a homophobe Charlie.
@Shane
Show me proof that they are comunists. Watch JFK and research the Kennedy assassination yourself sometime by the way.
@Jose
I will still never see a reason for him to have stepped down, though I can see the outrage as well. I am a firm believer in having more than just one shot or one chance in life. Chances I still feel that Van Jones should’ve had with hsi position. I don’t doubt that beneath the statements there was also an intelligent person with great ideas that could’ve accomplished so much. Maybe ideas that were outside the box and that is why he was picked, not because of communism. Talking heads may be talking heads, but you cannot deny the influence they have on others. Thanks for talking as well Jose, good luck with everything…wish your family the best.
Shane, I am familiar with that point with the Kennedy’s. I was a big fan of theirs in their attempt to bring the country together. There were elements from the the Left and Right who wanted to destroy them. I am not a conspiracy theory holder but who is to blame? If you ask me – a divided nation. Our politics in the last 20 years has grown to be so partisan that the center cannot hold. This is sad if you ask me. I am willing to say I respected Reagan as much as I respected Kennedy. I give credit to both Clinton and the Republican controlled Congress to give us a surplus. Were they perfect. NO! Did I agree with everything? NO! But we must applaud cooperation and respect the public’s voice. Not demonize them as teabggers or left-wing loons. By the same token, we cannot create boogey men and slander each other’s party by pointing out the extreme elements that consists of their group. We all have them. We must give a stronger voice to the moderates of both parties and not be afraid to call a spade a spade within our own party rather than allow for the oppposing party to make political hay out of it. Each party must keep their extreme in check which we do not do. I for one am not afraid to call it out in my party as I hope you do with yours.
Sharon go away you nut.
At the same time you need to be careful who we call spades and who we invesitgate, and not let fear consume our thoughts.
I’m not goin away Shane.
Jose you missed my point. The old leftist media covered for them. Look at the end results we in up with people like Sharon. Look at the propaganda coming from the NEA for Obama with our tax dollars. The New York Times didn’t mention Van Jones’s name until 2:31 am this morning. The old leftist media is dead. The TRUTH killed them. MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same.
Sharon did you look up Oliver Stone and Michael Moore. They are at the Venice film festival. Look at their new movies ok. Let me know what you think. MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same. Both Communist.
Wow I missed alot while I was gone. Jose you had a post a while back where you disagreed with me and stated Olbermann is partisan. You are correct and I should have said that Olbermann is not only partisan but also a mean spirited etc. I was just trying to say he is even worse than partisan but didn’t say it very well.
I admire your persistence in trying to have a logical discussion with Sharon, keep up the good fight. I am tired of her stuff.
I do think Olbermann is the worst thing on TV. As I said I do think Hannity is light wt. but not as mean spirited as Olbermann. Beck and O’reilly are the class of the lot. I believe Greta Van Susteren may the fairest and smartest of the bunch but she is on too late for me to see her very much. Maybe someone else can comment on her.
I also agree with your statement in a later post about both parties need to keep control of the radicals in their parties. I do believe thanks to the MSM that the far left loons have the louder voice at this time and more of a danger than the far right. It would be nice if neither radical branch was given much voice.
Holy crap shane, you are the definition of idiot. The military commisions act removed the great writ of haebius corpus, the foundation of freedom. It ensures all but one of our bill of rights. Go put the pipe down shaneY and polish your gun.
Hey DB is it? You do know that olbermann watch is a website dedicated to a single news anchor who just barely clears a 1 on ratings right? What does that say about them?
Sharon, calm down a little. You cannot reason with idiots like shaneY. I don’t think the Democrats are marxist shaneY, but I don’t like all this deficit spending either. Now here is a whole new can of worms for later…healthcare. ANNNND GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’m a right of center libertarian just like Beck. Probably why I like his show so much. Just like him, I wouldn’t claim either of the mainstream parties since they’re equally responsible for destroying America. Just so happens the Democrats are the ones currently at bat.
I am pro capitalism because I have worked hard for a living since I was 14 years old and earned what I have. It’s not my responsibility to support crack addicts, lazy people and illegal aliens. Everyone living in this country has an opportunity to make something of their lives. Redistribution of wealth is not only unconstitutional, it’s immoral. I’ll be damned if I will stand around and watch my country be taken oven by a band of left wing radicals or right wing nut jobs without a fight. Thank God for Glenn Beck and every patriot out there willing to lay it on the line to save our once great republic.
This capitalist republic was founded on religious principles which are being trampled by both the current and late administrations. They all swore to uphold and defend the Constitution yet they pass legislation that contradicts it, nearly on a daily basis. Obama ran on a centrist policy yet his true colors are shining through now that he got his foot in the door. Most people never change. Look at Obama in his teen years throughout college and the organizations and people he associated with. Most were left wing radicals and progressive organizations. People like Van Jones is exactly who Obama associates with and gets his values from.
Adios Van Jones! It’s his God given right to be a communist just like it’s mine to be a capitalist. However, America is a capitalist society. He can take his racist ideals to China and help the government oppress their people. I’m sure they’ll welcome him with open arms. I wish they’d stop trying to change America. Our country’s fundamentals are just fine. We just need an administration willing to actually uphold them.
Although there is some merit to the argument that the liberal media is saturated and Fox News is the only cable news channel representing conservatives, I still think people are going to watch what they feel is the closest to fair journalism. Personally I have given up on MSNBC, CNN and CNBC to broadcast anything close to balanced news. It’s pro Obama all the way regardless how wrong he is on everything. I personally can’t stand to watch O’Reilly or Hannity either one. O’Reilly is a hateful, condescending old prick and Hannity is just a right wing propagandist in my opinion. They were both Bush/Cheney cheerleaders while that administration was ruining the country.
Glenn, Bret and Greta are the only ones I can stomach on Fox News.
Steps down off soapbox and puts on flame suit…
My favorite quote. So true, and soon to pass…
“The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.” -Thomas Jefferson
Oh btw Sharon, ACORN called and said you could go home now…
dj109, I can definatly support your position on some views, but to say we are going to have a communist style redistribution of wealth is a little on the nutters side. No bill or law has been proposed to the congress even remotely suggesting that.
Glen Beck is a racist and a coward and to call him a patriot is to slander the real patriots who have died for our freedoms.
dj109, Corprate lobbying group Americans for Prosperity called, you can shut up now.
As a conservative who listens to Boortz and Rush and detests MSNBC (in its entirety), even I have reached the conclusion that all this hate preached by Sharon, Will and Shane will get the country NO WHERE! Come on people, argue over issues, not semantics.
Just a few thoughts: all you have to do is look at how MSNBC, CNN and the rest portrayed people who attended the tea parties (each networks anchors offered disgusting sexual comments about the attendees, which proves beyond a reasonable doubt they should call themselves ‘journalists’.) I also think “so-called journalist’ calling people ‘mobs’ who passionately disagree with their representatives does not advance the professional reputation. The Constitution allows for the freedom to assemble and freedom of speech. These people have every right to be there, and if they want to be angry, the can be….provided they are not violent. For the Congressmen and Senators who were too afraid to meet with angry voters face to face…shame on you….what cowards you are!
For the liberals here, please remember that you are not the only ones to enjoy these rights…you assembled frequently to protests the Irag war and against Bush. Please allow conservatives the same right. And please don’t call them un-American…it is wrong now as it was wrong when conservatives called you un-American when you protested the Irag war.
Stop crucifying Bush, Cheney, Obama, Holder, Hannity, Olbermann and all the others. If you don’t like them, don’t watch them. Not a difficult concept. Stop destroying people….you might not like Palin, but you have no right to try to destroy someone’s character and family. For the conservatives, same rule applies. If someone did that to you what they did to Palin, filed lawsuit after lawsuit against you and raked your family through the mud, what would you do? Olbermann is a delusional liar dating a woman half his age that is only sleeping with him so she could get into the MSM. There, both sides have dirt…let it go.
I thought Bush made mistakes, but he did not destroy this country as liberals like to state (history will make the final judgment.) As far as taking away rights during the Bush years, can you name one U.S. citizen unfairly arrested, tried, convicted and sent to prison under the Patriot Act? I sure didn’t hear about it if really happened. As far a torture goes…if your child was kidnapped and buried alive with two days of air, food and water…but you didn’t know where she was buried, and the police have the kidnapper in custody, would you really be ok with the police just asking the kidnapper where did bury your child? If no, would you support doing whatever it took to find the location of your child? If you say that’s not a fair argument, your right, it wouldn’t be fair….but I would bail this guy out of jail, and immediately kidnap him and personally do whatever it took to get this ba***rd to talk, without any hesitation.
Obama and the democrats are destroying this country (my opinion only) simply because the are trying to make sure they never lose the House, Senate and White House again. They are putting their desire to maintain political power ahead of the best interests of the country. That is what makes them so dangerous. Let’s put what is best for the country first, over any party affiliation or label. Please stop arguing over petty things….Beck isn’t worth such hatred, neither is Olbermann, it only consumes you and the people you love. Let’s have debate, but leave the hatred out of it.
Take care!
Hey Willy Van Jones gone and many more Obama Czars to go. Are you going to help us Vet the rest of the Czars Willy? The old leftist media is dead Willy. They can’t cover for the Great Messiah Obama anymore It’s over. Willy did you get the List? MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same. Proof Michael Moore and Oliver stone Communist. The Black Panthers And ELF Terrorist All Democrats. FACT!
shaneY, I know you havent had your crack today, but it’s ok. The itch will go away eventually. Luke, you are right, hate belongs nowhere in this, so I will keep it simple.
#1 No president before Bush has ever had so much executive power in office
#2 Obama will lose the majorities in both houses if he does not get his crap together on healthcare.
#3 Take a look at how many freedoms you have now compared to when Bush was in office, specifically look up the military commissions act.
#4 Most importantly, do not forget that this is teh 1N73RW385 (interwebs).
Lastly, torture does not work, ask John McCain about it. We prosecuted Japanese and Germans alike in WWII for waterboarding and even hanged some for it. Keep that in mind. By the way, you did pose a good argument, thanks for making me think!
We don’t need your help to destroy all these Marxist Communist and Socialist Czars. The new media is doing the Vetting now Willy. LMAO!!!! Poor leftist don’t control the press anymore. What will you do? Isn’t free speech great Willy? USA USA USA!!! MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same. Ask Van Jones Michael Moore and Oliver Stone. This is easy!!!!!!!!!
wow almost 300 comments! America really gets going when it comes to news.
Hey little Willy who is the greatest country of all time? MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same Ask Fidel and Hugo.
Well guess what? We have another Czar. His name is Ron Bloom and he is the new manufacturing Czar. He is another Harvard grad and was one of the leaders of the United Steel Workers Union. This guy is a Labor Zionist who’s founder was a SOCIALIST. I can’t believe these NUTS in the White house. MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same ask RON BLOOM SOCIALIST UN FRICKEN BELIEVABLE!!!!!
@ Sharon:
When someone refers to “calling a spade a spade”, they are talking about a shovel, not a person.
shaneY you don’t even know what socialism is.
Yes I do SOCIALIST=LOOSER. See that was easy. MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same ask Little Willy.
Speaking of healthcare, there was one thing I forgot to ask in regards to Becks statements. What exactly is this lottery system in Canada that he spoke of during his rant to a caller? A friend of mine lives in Canada and has never heard of this “system” and has doesn’t have any complaints about health care in his country.
Socialism is the government stealing wealth from the people that actually work for it and giving it, (without exception) to all the deadbeats who would rather sit on their lazy asses, pop out 20 kids and collect a government check. The kind of socialism Obama is shooting for anyway. IMO, the 40 million people that don’t have health insurance should drive to Canada or immigrate to the UK and get their free bs healthcare. America was founded as a capitalist society and if you can’t deal with it, hit the road Jack. Why should I be forced to pay for somebody’s insurance because they’re too lazy to work? I’m sick of politicians and idiotic citizens trying to convert this country into something different then what the founding fathers intended. If you don’t like Capitalism, take your ass to a communist/socialist country and live off that government because us real Americans don’t want you here!
The lottery system is where there aren’t enough doctors in a specific area to take care of all the deadbeats. So, that area takes the names of all the sick people waiting for their free healthcare and basically draws names once a month. If you get drawn, you win. They call you to let you know that you actually get to see a doctor that month and get your free healthcare. The rest of the sick folks are just shi+ out of luck. Wonderful system , huh?
Another word for the lottery is rationing. When you take an already overwhelmed healthcare system and add 40 million deadbeats to it, the ratio of doctors to patients increases so that there are either ridiculous waits or rationing. Why do you think the working class in America is so against Obama socializing healthcare? As it stands now, I can go to pretty much any doctor I want to and be seen in a reasonable amount of time. If the messiah gets his free for all healthcare plan passed, I may not be able to do that anymore since all the deadbeats will be clogging the waiting rooms to get their free healthcare. Basically it’s the liberals way of sticking it to the working class of America.
Let’s look at the governments record at running businesses.
Post Office – BANKRUPT
Social Security – BANKRUPT
Medicare – BANKRUPT
Medicaid – BANKRUPT
Amtrak – BANKRUPT
I just love hearing anyone try to make an argument that the government will actually get healthcare right. They will screw it up and bankrupt it just like every single business the government takes control over. I will personally bet anyone here anything they want to bet, that if they actually pass this steaming pile of shi+ healthcare bill, it will be bankrupt within 5 years. Who’s taking???
dj109 How dare you say those mean things about the government. Your just doing that because you hate Obama. Your a racist. So you take all that back or I will call you a racist again. We all know “YOU PEOPLE” hate the Great Messiah Obama because he doesn’t look like you. dj109 take it back or else!!! LOL!!! How’s that Sharon and little Willy. Is there anyone in this Fricken nutjob of a white house that isn’t a Communist isn’t a Marxist or isn’t a Socialist??? Can someone name me one? MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same
Deadbeats as in people who don’t make enough to afford it? No one should die because they can’t afford it no matter what you might think of them. My friend has had no complaints over this “system” and doesn’t like the way that the media has spun or minsrepresented their health care program. It was a few months ago that we spoke but he has no complaints about the system that they’ve used. The only ones who are really complaining were doctors who were pissed that they weren’t making as much as they would here.
Helga,
You may have studied U.S. history, but you sure didn’t study english grammar.
Got punctuation?
Ed
Look, I’m not saying anyone should die because they can’t afford healthcare. Deadbeats and illegals on the verge of death always have the emergency room. That’s where they all go anyway. I’m talking about healthcare as a whole. I don’t want free healthcare. I’d rather pay for it out of my own pocket before I’d trust the government to take care of it. Let rationing happen in this country and you will start seeing really bad things happen. Nobody is debating that we don’t need health reform. We definitely do. What we don’t need is the socialized mess the messiah is trying to push upon this country.
Will is starting to fade the way of Sharon. Redistribution of wealth? Have you listened to anything Obama has said? So what there haven’t been any bills yet? He has stated many times about something concerning “redistributing” the wealth.
Glenn Beck is a racist? Thats pretty far fetched claim. How is he a racist? What has he said? NOTHING.
I am a Democrat and still believe in Democrat values. People forget but democrats use to stand for government that worked for the little guy. It seems now that these posers in office are socialist. Business’s are socialist in nature because they do not want competition they frown on new and up in coming companies and want the whole pie to them selves. That is why every one from GE to Goldman, Pharma, and companies of the like are supporting this man because he is cementing their place in the U.S. economy. You can point to past presidencies that have done the same but never to this magnitude. On top of that sorry if I hold this president more accountable to his promises than past since his whole champaign was ran on change and he was voted into office by an overwhelming majority .
Glenn is the man because he tells it like it is whether your a democrat or republican all the people who hate him and talk bad about him are either elitist or ill informed.
I hope alot of folks watched Glenn tonite. If only all commentary shows could be this informative. Glenn had a room full of small business owners who quite clearly outlined how and why the government is ruining the economy by destroying small businesses that are responsible for most of the jobs in our economy. This is how TV should work– get the facts from the folks who know the facts not some silly journalist or talking head.
This is the exact opposite of Olbermann who relies on columnists from liberal papers( Eugene Robinson) or professors in their ivory towers( Turley from Georgetown). No one who has operated in the real world or created anything in the economy.
It should be no surprise why Glenn is having ratings at 5pm that any 8pm show would be proud of .
Sharon strikes again. Deadbeat is someone who sits on their front porch all day, never looks for a job and wouldn’t take one if offered. These people were created by the welfare system and the numbers have increased tremendously since Lyndon Johnson was president.
Will, olbermannwatch delivers a couple of valuable services. You are right he doesn’t get much audience but someone has to let the dozens of people who watch him know what a nut bag he is. Also the site is hilarious– besides shining a light on his hypocrisy and out and out lies ( says he is number 1 rated show), they even make fun of his ankles.
One person on their posted a line that I will never forget. The post before this person’s made reference to Olbermann as a man. This guy says” Olbermann is a man?? next thing you will be trying tell me is Maddow is a woman!! ” Too good.
“Glenn is the man because he tells it like it is whether your a democrat or republican all the people who hate him and talk bad about him are either elitist or ill informed.”
Precisely. I’d say 90% are the ill informed Obama nut huggers that have to defy all logic and reasoning to support his bs. Yay, go Obama!! We’re all right behind you. Spend us into a quadrillion dollar deficit to pay for all your ridiculous unconstitutional programs even though we as a country are bankrupt. Oh, and you better push them through as fast as humanly possible because you won’t win another term. Hurry, hurry, hurry!! Get us our free shi+ before a fiscally conservative president gets into office.
I believe the quotation given about not working, not eating, was mis-attributed to Thomas Jefferson. It has made the blogs and e-mail rounds that way, but has been discredited in the various myth-busting sites.
However, before the left side of this debate jumps all over it, the message itself is true. First,in Thessalonians 3:10 (KJV) “For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.”
And, now that those same left-leaners are ready to pounce upon the Bible or what they perceive as a Bible toter, realize this: Prior to 1964 the public school system taught in U.S. History that Captain John Smith told his colonists “If you don’t work you don’t eat.” I know because I was taught that as a student.
This represents one of the best examples I can find of how our value system has been eroded. John Smith and the colonists have been transformed from heroes to villains. You will no longer find this anecdote in the history books. What has replaced this encouragement of a good work ethic in our current value system? Entitlement. The Great Society. The Bible cannot be mentioned in public schools now without repercussion, much less the admonition from the Apostle Paul. What has replaced this source of moral code building blocks? Something called “Character Education”, which is a sorry and poorly administered substitute.
No decent person would hesitate to willingly give to help the less fortunate among us. However, to be robbed of honest earnings, forced to contribute against your will to unworthy recipients is inherently evil. We reward desired behavior. Who is being rewarded in our society and what behavior are we encouraging?
What I don’t understand is why anyone that isn’t a member of our so called “Government” (and I use term LOOSELY) cares about politics. Our “National Vote” is submitted to an electoral college so we have a 50/50 shot at winning a vote and that doesn’t always mean the representative will vote the way we “voted” him to. So basically I feel that letting citizens vote is just a way to make us “feel” like we actually influence the people who tell us what we can or cannot do for the next 4+ years (Anyone remember the Patriot Act) when we actually have no impact on our own national government at all.
Socialism refers to various theories of economic organization advocating state, worker or public ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources, and a society characterized by equal access to resources for all individuals with an egalitarian method of compensation. Contrary to popular belief, socialism is not a political system; it is an economic system distinct from capitalism. This is what socialism means. Take note shaneY. Now even an idiot like you can actually understand what the word means!
Yes, cause 1,242,000 viewers for Keith is only a few dozen. The only time I have ever seen him speak of ratings was when he mentioned he was the #1 rated cable news show NOT on FNC. Once again, olbermannwatch wrong.
BTW in cable news, pulling down 1,242,000 viewers is absolutely phenomenal. Think about how many people don’t even have cable.
Lastly, shaneY all you do is repeat the same thing over and over again. Think of something new, and maybe the rest of us will pay attention. shaneY=Retard=broken record. There, now even you can understand that!
Gosh Will, you must not watch Olbermann much. First of all 1.2 million is a very good day for him. Second the quote you make about being number 1 except for Fox was followed by the statement that since Fox wasn’t news ( like he is, ha ha) he is the number one show in cable news. Poor delusional Keith. Third, he mentions his ratings quite often and twist and turns to some how make his ratings look better. Olbermann watch was not wrong– I said he said he was no. 1 not Olbermann watch.
If pulling down 1.2 million in prime time is phenomenol then pulling down 2.8 million at 5pm must be a miracle. Glenn does that Will!!
Keith has only dropped below 1,000,000 viewers in the past two months (Aug he had one showing at 997,462). Glen’s 2.8 means very little since he has a whopping 8 advertisers. He is going to be cancelled soon simply because he can’t sell ad space. 55:40 of show with 4:10 of ads is NOT a good ratio. Especially considering Keith has 44:10 of show and 15:40 of ad time. Poor lonesome roads beck is running out of time. Sad for you.
Oh, and Faux News isn’t news. Their a joke. CNN is news, MSNBC is Democratic talking points, and Faux is RNC all the time. BTW my local news sells more ads on 30 minutes then lonesome roads beck does in an hour. How sad.
Keith has only dropped below 1,000,000 viewers in the past two months (Aug he had one showing at 997,462). Glen’s 2.8 means very little since he has a whopping 8 advertisers. He is going to be cancelled soon simply because he can’t sell ad space. 55:40 of show with 4:10 of ads is NOT a good ratio. Especially considering Keith has 44:10 of show and 15:40 of ad time. Poor lonesome roads beck is running out of time. Sad for you.
Correction, has only dropped below 1,000,000 viewers once in the past two months.
One more thing…. 10 PM P2+ (25-54) (35-64) Countdown w/ K. Olbermann – 643,000 viewers (211,000) (298,000) Second showing plus first of 1,242,000 viewers=1,885,000 viewers. not to mention online showings on MSNBC.com. I’ll go conservative and say another 200,000. Plus showings in the next day (two others before 8 am) we’ll say 300,000 for 2 am and a scratch at 4 am with 80,000. So total at 2,465,000 for the same show. This is a conservative estimate. Not bad for old Keithy is it?
Hey Little Willy the leftist news media has given us the fourth estate. The New York Times Didn’t mention the name Van Jones until 2:31 am in the morning after he was axed. We the people run the news media now so sit down and shut up little willy. Isn’t free speech great Itty bitty willy. Now let’s open that can of worms Czar Cass Sunstein Communist. Hey Willy another IST isn’t it great? MARXIST=DEMOCRAT=TERRORIST All the same ask Michael Moore and Oliver Stone. USA USA USA!!!
Now Will is trying to say that What Olberman’s ratings are with a half dozen showings of the same show is good? Keep in mind that Beck does more than his estimate with ONE show at 5PM! Its getting alittle silly Will.
Hey Charlie 2pm here on the west coast. Could you imagine if Glenn was on at 5pm pst. When the FOX morning show on at 3am pst beats the prime time shows on MSNBC it’s time for a change. Like I’ve been saying for years you in the leftist media CHANGE OR DIE!!!! They won’t change so we know they will DIE! Old leftist news media your services are no longer needed. Isn’t free speech great??? USA USA USA!!! MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST. All the same right VAN? LOL!
I like Mr. Ed!
Beck, O’Reilly, Hannity never claimed to be news shows only Keith did, so he could feed his ego. Pls. try to read the posts Will and understand the sentences. You are starting to sound like Sharon.
We will see about Beck–almost all experts say the advertisers will be back for Glenn because of his ratings. Lets see do I want to reach 400,000 people with Chris Mathews or 2.8 million with Beck. Its all about the money.
I see many in Congress are questioning the constitutionality of Czars. Also stories on Holdren and Sunstein– a couple of real loons. One calls for involuntary sterlization( put chemicals in the water) and the other thinks animals should be able to sue people. Obama is proving to being close to incompetent. Great campaigner but lousy at governing.
You gotta love the spin here. We don’t have to accept that O’Reilly is drawing more viewers than Olbermann because O’Reilly isn’t a news show (and Olbermann is??). We don’t have to worry that our democracy will become a thing of the past because socialism is an economic system, not a political one. Beck has no credibility because he is losing advertising support, despite the fact that he garners a majority of available viewers. Bush was a terrorist. Democrats are Marxist terrorists. Obama is a fascist. And 3.5 million is the same as 1.2 million, if not less. Come on, people.
The Nielsons are fact. The numbers are what they are. Most of the people who get their news from television watch NBC, Fox News, and the morning shows on ABC and NBC. The fact remains that if you wanted to get the biggest news story of the weekend, the ONLY place you could get it was FOX News. If you got your news elsewhere, you heard about it only after it was all over. Of course, that is why major news-worthy resignations occur over the weekend, and a holiday weekend at that, in the middle of the night. Under the radar — almost. Thank the powers that be for the FOX News radar.
As for Mr. Jones, good riddance. If not for Fox News, we would be only hearing what the administration is SAYING it will do. FNC is our only credible means of seeing what the administration is DOING.
You hit the nail on the head, Blaffie. Only in the far left liberal mind can 1.2 million ( on a good day) be more than 3.5 million or even 2.8 million. I guess that is why they don’t worry about the deficit spending that this administration is doing. In a couple of years they will just say a trillion is less than a million. Problem solved.
Hardbull is a good show.I have a lot of sympathy for Chris Matthews,especially on a day when The Community-Organizer-In-Chief speaks and he also does a gun story during thr same program. We know about the afflication Chris has when Obama speaks and his morbid fear of guns. You sure have to give him a lot of credit for being able to sit there that long with a tingle running up one leg and with wet pants too!
Well said Blaffie. Looks like maybe Sharon and Will are throwing in the towel.
GP36–I love it –well said.
Beck had an interesting take this morning regarding the Jones resignation. By resigning, he went under even the FNC radar. Now we have no idea what advice he is offering and how. I guess you gotta keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
All I can say is “Thank God for Fox News”.
We the people wouldn’t know anything if it weren’t for them.
Other news outlets never reported on Van Jones or much of anything else for that matter.
As far as the subject of healthe care goes, it has far more to do with than just healthcare.
All I can say is “Thank God for Fox News”.
We the people wouldn’t know anything if it weren’t for them.
Other news outlets never reported on Van Jones or much of anything else for that matter.
It’s surprising That A monster TV screen isn’t essential in order to put on MSNBC’s Herr Über Mann and his enormous ego. It would be very difficult to find someone more “enamoured” with oneself. Well maybe Rachel Maddow or Bill Maher!
Or maybe we couldn’t give a f*** about what you morons think any more. Go ahead, follow Beck if it makes you feel like a true “American.” Be proud that he diminished the character of a man whose job it was to create new jobs an help the environment. I liked what Blaffle said though about Van Jones, oh no maybe he’ll secretley try to indoctrinate the children like Obama, did u guys watch that speech by the way? As this country steadily turns around and Obama’s czars remain in power, I will be laughing my ass off at the group that follows Fox noise and engages in McCarthy era witch-hunts against those that they fear, All the while being ignornant enough to believe that anyone who opposes them is there enemy.
Have fun kids.
Sharon, do you have a real job or are you a government employee/welfare recipient? You have been running your mouth on this site for a long time over the past couple of days. You keep running around in circles with the ocassional back pedaling thrown in for good measure just to cover your backside. Although a lot of what Van Jones said in the past didn’t really relate to the job he was “handpicked” to do, it should worry you that someone with those beliefs could be so close to the President. Obama said it himself….”judge me by the people I surround myself with.” Enough said.
Did watch the speech Sharon. Good speech and good message for the kids. It was the Dept of Education putting out a curiculum to go along with the speech that bothered most of us. Writing letters on how to help the president?? How about letters on how to help the country or how the country inspires you –not how the pres inspires you. Its not all about Obama. In any event once they took back the illegal curiculum(it is against the law for the Dept of Ed to write a curiculum) everything was ok. The text of the speech was great.
By the way do you use the*** with your cuss words because you don’t know how to spell them, because you don’t know how to spell many other words. Its Blaffie not Blaffle.
How did Beck diminish what little character Jones had? He said he was a communist, which Jones admitted to and showed videos of crude and racial remarks he actually said. He showed the actual signed petition for the truthers. I am sorry but Van Jones had no character to diminish.
Sharon… what f*cking planet are you from?! I thought I’ve seen the the most stupid and ignorant people in my lifetime at one time or another… now I know where they all originated from!
All the facts for everything you’ve been defending here are readily available to anyone who chooses to seek them out in all forms of print and recorded media. But like so many other people that have elected to suck the sweat off of Obama’s testicles, you choose not to accept the truth, period. It’s people like you and your “leiutenant’s” on this thread, running around with blinders on and drowning in the troft of Kool-Aid that will diminsh the greatness of what this country once was.
You only accept what the “left” media spoon feeds you, not the true facts of Obama and the rest of his nutjobs life history. What is MOST ALARMING to me and others is the fact that so many in the US blindly elected someone into office with no credible background be it in the marketplace or politics. And I know what you’re going to say and sorry dear, but srving one term as a state official and only half a term in the US senate does not qualify. Yes dear… he only served a half a term, the rest of the time he was out campaigning for the presidency.
I pose this question to you and your fellow supporters on this thread… see if you can guess the correct person it is describing….
The nation was in shambles. A previous ruler had led the country into an unnecessary war, the economy was failing, and a sense of depression filled the air. Then, a new leader emerged. He was a powerful speaker, offering hope, change, and a fix to the economy. He wrote two books about his experiences and used his literary work to propel him to success. He was an open christian with some muslim friends. He called for unity and considered himself an advocate of peace. Some of his political opponents cast him as naive and inexperienced. He also had alot of radical ties, but the media, and ultimately the voters, were willing to overlook that.
Who is he?
Based on your limited intelligence as portrayed here by you, I know you’ll get it wrong. Do us all a favor and go to sleep… we’ll leave a wakeup call for you for 2012.
Regarding the president’s speech: It was appropriate and needed. As initially planned however, the whole “package” was nothing like this, as you well know. It is NOT appropriate for ANY president (or his staff) to ask school children to sing the praises of any individual in government, to write about what they can do to help HIM, to be made to respond as did the 11 year old girl at that infamous town hall meeting. (“Why do so many people pick on you?”) Had FNC not brought attention to this indoctrination package, we would have had an American president basically saying to school children “Ask not what your President can do for you; rather, ask what you can do for your President.” A subtle, but extremely critical, difference that proponents of an entitlement society cannot or will not recognize. Once again the administration was able to do what it is extremely adept at doing: throw out some outlandish scheme to see how it plays in Peoria, then having the President draw it back in when it doesn’t play well. Oh, those rambunctious staffers! When will they ever learn!
Once again, leave it to FNC to keep such rotten tomatoes from sticking when they hit the wall.
Regarding Van Jones, such people are enemies of democracy. Do not be delusional in thinking they are merely against capitalism. Van Jones is able to call a large portion of our government a-holes without being thrown into jail. Any true American would defend his right to do that. He is free to sign a petition blaming George Bush for 9-11. He is free to be a Communist. We are NOT a country that condones McCarthyism, so he was not jailed for that. He is NOT free, however, to be put into a position with the power and inclination to subvert the very freedoms he and we enjoy.
“Your freedom to swing your fist ends at my nose.”
My eyes are wide open Mike, go back to swallowing Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, and Coultergeist’s cum while gladly bending over infront of Warren Jeffs. I imagine you must be parched and dry at this point. Your party already diminished this country far enough thank you. I accepted the facts about Van Jones past, not what was distorted by Beck. He said so many times that his beliefs would not have effected how we would’ve, and apparently still will do his job. He’s not the only political figure who has had a questionable history. In addition it shows how little people thought of the rigth if they were willing to elect someone who had those ties.
I was more that willing to Vote for McCain in the last election until he picked the hopeless excuse for running mate that Sarah Palin was. That choice is what brought the experience part into play. When McCain ran on a position of having more experience than the other guy and then picked someone with less experience and less education whose beliefs were close to what conservative radicalism is, that’s when he lost credibility with Americans. Hence people trusted Obama more and soon will again despite how he is treated by the right.
Wow Sharon… you have some anger management issues. Do you need a hug, hmmm? Speaking about credibility, I think you have lost all of yours with your stupid rantings over the last 4 days. Just go to sleep like Mike suggested. You might feel better in 2012.
Sharon is just one of those people that get off on going aound the net to forums, sites, comment sections etc. purposely and only to make people mad and then engage in poo throwing contests.
If you just ignore her she’ll go away.
I’m beginning to see why comment posting was disabled for this particular forum up until recently. You’ve lost your argument the moment you resort to diatribes, personal attacks, verbal abuse, and foul language.
Perhaps a course in logical argument is in order…
But somehow, Sharon’s description of Coulter’s ejaculation is simultaneously disturbing and intriguing…
yeah I’d definitley watch that online somewhere lmao
GOODNIGHT Sharon!!!! My goodness you are so far gone……….Please listen to Russ and Mike and the others who have ask you to at least make some logical point. By the way I don’t believe Sharon watches FOX, she just reads about it in places such HuffPO, I watch Glenn Beck and when you read and watch sections of Glenn’s show on the lib sites you see how they change, leave out, and distort what has been said. Sharon has repeated several times “What about Lynn Jenkins ?” Never heard of her until Sharon threw the name out there, a R Rep from Kansas who said something about “Great White Hope” for 2010 then according to the libs she laughed at a town haller because her little boy does not have health insurance, and ofcourse Sharon still believes Dan Rather told the truth about Bush being AWOL. Sharon do you really believe what Lynn Jenkins has said is worse than what the many Democrats have said in the town hall meetings? I watched the video and I did not hear her laugh at the town haller!!!!
I’m with Blaffie and Charlie! LMAO!!
It’s too bad that Axelrod and Emanuel changed the original format of Obama’s school talk session, under pressure. The original lesson plan was going to ask children to “write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president.” With the devastating loss of an excellent csar/adviser like Van Jones, he could use the help from students. It’s obvious that the Liberal Democrats can’t provide it. Maybe he can entice Michael Moore onto the Whitehouse Staff. He hates Capitalism and almost everything else about the U,S,, so he would fit right in and make a good csar.
@Janet: Nor did I hear Jenkins laugh AT anyone. I saw and heard her laugh, however. Nervously. Just as a lot of our representatives have done at these meetings — Democrat AND Republican. All of them deserve a lot of credit for conducting these meetings and subjecting themselves to the slings and arrows, unlike those who ducked out in some way. As for the “Great White Hope” comment, it was not a good expression to use (even though “white polluters” is no better). She wanted to convey that we are in need of a charismatic leader who is not so socialistic. In fact, a great black hope would be even better. I wonder which Crayola crayon will be renamed first — change “black” to “coal”, and “white” to “blank”. Don’t laugh. The word “gay” was highjacked long ago. We are far too sensitive.
For all the idiots that twist themselves into pretzels trying to rationalize why Fox blows everyones ratings away.
Its really quite simple.
Its human nature to gravitate to things which we agree with.
Just go to dailykos and see how many rightwing people post there.
Go to townhall and see how many leftwing people post there.
They’re both, for the most part echo-chambers.
The American people, for the most part trust Fox news and those who say they’re not fair and balanced only prove that they don’t really watch it.
Sorry to pop your bubble but the numbers quoted above are weekly combined averages. (BTW comparing cable to broadcast is apples to oranges)
As of September 7, 2009
CBS Prime time News 5 million viewers per day
NBC Prime time news 4 million viewers per day
FAUX Prime time news 1.2 million. viewers per day
ABC Prime time news 1.03 million viewers per day
CNN averaged 598,000 viewers per day
MSNBC – 392,000 viewers per day.
looks like the majority are looking for that *fair and balanced* elsewhere.
sorry guys, the south will NOT rise again, you’ll have to keep using those robes for choir practice not clan meetings.
Your comparing free TV to cable?
Is that what your trying to sell here?
Good try.
Spin it anyway you like.
The fact is people are flocking to FNC and leaving the dinosaurs in droves and the numbers bear that out.
When O’Reilly on cable has more viewers then Katy Couric you guys have problems.
Put another way, how many cable shows are in the top 20? Answer: Zero
Top 40: Zero
But you want to compare FNC to free tv news.
Typical misleading lib.
Hows that hopey changy thing working out with your boy Obama?
I guess you think his poll numbers are going down because he’s not as leftwing as the country.
The mainstream media reminds me of the domestic car companies’ position 15 years ago. They are ignoring the customer and are trying to sell what nobody’s buying. And we know what’s happened to the domestic automakers, don’t we?