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| Rating/Share: Adults 18-49 | 3.1/8 | 1.9/5 | 1.6/4 | 1.5/4 | 1.3/4 | 1.3/4 |
| Rating/Share: Adults 18-34 | 3.3/10 | 1.3/4 | 1.1/3 | 1.8/5 | 1.5/4 | 0.9/3 |
| Total Viewers (million) | 6.89 | 8.11 | 5.43 | 3.24 | 3.46 | 6.02 |
Update: The presidential address was seen by 31.8 32.1 million across 10 networks in the final numbers.
Update: September 10, 2009 9:32a PDT, updated with some notes from FOX.
FOX easily won the night dominating the adults 18-49 and adults 18-34 demos.
From 8pm-9pm the president averaged 21.2 million just on ABC (adults 18-49 rating/share =1.8/5, 7.4 million total viewers), CBS (1.2/4, 5.63 million) and NBC (1.9/6.8.16 million).
People want to jump the gun on declaring So You Think You Can Dance in the fall a mistake and a loser. For now, FOX laughs at you and will take its 2.7/8 adults 18-49 rating and 3.0/9 with adults 18-34 and not worry that there were only 6.465 million viewers. Leave Marc Berman to complain about that while FOX smiles at its year over year improvements even if it wasn’t as strong as the summer version of the show.
From FOX:
The Fall season premiere of SO YOU THINK YOU CAN DANCE posted a 2.7/8 among Adults 18-49 and grew over FOX’s regular Fall’08 average in the Wednesday 8p hour by +26% among Adults 18-34 (2.9/9 vs. 2.3/8). SO YOU THINK YOU CAN DANCE won the 8p hour among Adults 18-49, Adults 18-34/25-54, Teens and virtually all key demos and showed growth in its second half hour among Adults 18-49 (+8%, 2.8/8 vs. 2.6/8), Adults 18-34 (+15%, 3.1/9 vs. 2.7/9), Teens (+13%, 1.8/6 vs. 1.6/6) and Total Viewers (+5%, 6.6 vs. 6.3 Mil.)
And I’m sure someone will declare the premiere of Glee a failure because it only got 7.136 million viewers, but with a 3.3/9 adults 18-49 rating and a 3.6/10 with adults 18-34, FOX will no doubt be dubbing this “Fall’s new hit” before I even hit the “publish” button. Glee destroyed America’s Got Talent in the demos. Though AGT had more viewers (9.69M) its 2.1/5 adults 18-49 rating and 1.5/4 adults 18-34 rating were relatively paltry. With adults 18-34 Glee won by more than 100% over AGT!
From FOX:
The season premiere of GLEE outperformed its series preview following American Idol on 5/19/09 by +9% in Adults 18-34 (3.6/10 vs. 3.3/10) and +26% in Women 18-34 (5.3/14 vs. 4.2/12). GLEE built upon its lead-in by +22% among Adults 18-49 (3.3/9 vs. 2.7/8), +24% among Adults 18-34 (3.6/10 vs. 2.9/9), +18% in Teens (2.0/7 vs. 1.7/6) and +12% in Total Viewers (7.3 vs. 6.5 Mil)
Reports are that Glee rose to a 3.5 w/adults 18-49 in the final numbers, making it FOX’s best scripted premiere in 3 years.
Things weren’t so great for America’s Next Top Model at 9pm with a 1.5/4 rating with adults 18-49 and a 1.8/5 rating with adults 18-34 and 3.24 million viewers between 8p-10pm for its 13th and height-challenged installment. But it still delivered the best Wednesday for the CW since March 4 with its sweet-spot target of women 18-34. Here’s what the CW had to say about the performance:
The premiere of the 13th edition (yes, 13!!) of TOP MODEL delivered the network’s best Wednesday since March 4 in women 18-34 (2.7/8), adults 18-34 (1.7/5), women 18-49 (2.2/6), adults 18-49 (1.5/4) and total viewers (3.2mil).
TOP MODEL continues to hold up, maintaining 90% of last’s fall’s premiere delivery among the show’s core women 18-34 audience (in case your curious, it held 91% of its year ago premiere in total viewers).
Despite facing the hyped-up premiere of Glee at 9pm, TOP MODEL posted growth in the second hour, building 8% among women 18-34, 13% among adults 18-34, 20% in women 18-49, 14% in adults 18-49 and 13% in total viewers.
The CW ranked second on Wednesday with women 18-34 (2.7/8), adults 18-34 (1.7/5), females 12-34 (2.5/8) and persons 12-34 (1.6/5).
At 9pm ABC’s Wipeout was far off normal levels with a 1.7/4 with adults 18-49 and 5.03 million viewers. Primetime: Crime fared worse at 10pm (1.3/4, 3.84M).
CBS repeats landed it tied for last with adults 18-49 and last with adults 18-34 with a repeats of Criminal Minds (1.4/4, 6.21M) and CSI: NY (1.3/3, 6.23M).
Please keep in mind that preliminary numbers for live events (like a live presidential address) are very subject to change. Full viewership numbers for the speech, including cable networks will be available this afternoon. In the meanwhile you can check out the combined viewership numbers for President Obama’s recent press conferences.
Nielsen TV Ratings: ©2009 The Nielsen Company. All Rights Reserved.
Definitions:
Fast Affiliate Ratings: These first national ratings, including demographics, are available at approximately 11 AM (ET) the day after telecast, and are released to subscribing customers daily. These data, from the National People Meter sample, are strictly time-period information, based on the normal broadcast network feed, and include all programming on the affiliated stations, sometimes including network programming, sometimes not. The figures may include stations that did not air the entire network feed, as well as local news breaks or cutaways for local coverage or other programming. Fast Affiliate ratings are not as useful for live programs and are likely to differ significantly from the final results, because the data reflect normal broadcast feed patterns. For example, with a World Series game, Fast Affiliate Ratings would include whatever aired from 8-11PM on affiliates in the Pacific Time Zone, following the live football game, but not game coverage that begins at 5PM PT. The same would be true of Presidential debates as well as live award shows and breaking news reports.
Rating: Estimated percentage of the universe of TV households (or other specified group) tuned to a program in the average minute. Ratings are expressed as a percent.
Share (of Audience): The percent of households (or persons) using television who are tuned to a specific program, station or network in a specific area at a specific time. (See also, Rating, which represents tuning or viewing as a percent of the entire population being measured.)
Time Shifted Viewing – Program ratings for national sources are produced in three streams of data – Live, Live+Same Day (Live+SD) and Live+7 Day. Time shifted figures account for incremental viewing that takes place with DVRs which are currently in approximately 24.4% of all U.S. TV households. Live+Same Day (Live+SD) include viewing during the same broadcast day as the original telecast, with a cut-off of 3:00AM local time when meters transmit daily viewing to Nielsen for processing. Live+7 Day ratings include incremental viewing that takes place during the 7 days following a telecast.
For more information see Numbers 101.
SYTYCD may wind up a loser this fall, but only time will tell. We have no idea, yet, the impact of being on against the POTUS speech had on it. But given the stronger competition and short wait time for this fall season… it would be folly to expect SYTYCD to match summer levels.
And, really, we won’t know if there’s been true damage to the franchise until NEXT SUMMER’S premiere.
Oh dear for ANTM, but it still delivers good figures for CW. At least it’s still holding on for their target demos.
Wow, I guess Fox really hurt “Talent” last night (the show is getting a little tiring now, let’s just get a winner already!)
Glee did really well….but I doubt they’ll be able to maintain those types of numbers.
For ANTM, down 10% in viewers and women 18-34 from last season’s premiere isn’t doomsday. Season to season dips like that aren’t surprising. Big dips and *any* increases for broadcast shows are the big news.
I guess this is the new reality of television, 7.1 millions for a new show premiere is normal… Still, strong demos for the show, stronger than SYTYCD.
Glee did well but the real test will be the next two weeks when it faces tougher competition, I reckon FOX will be patient with it but they have two midseason dramas that could get the post SYTYCD/Idol slot.
ANTM was lower than last year but considering it was up against two shows that are in its audience, it fared alright.
I think the shocking thing is that ANTM is barely doing better than 90210 or MP in W18-34. I’m sure that ANTM will be able to hold this number better than either of those shows, but still. This is supposed to be their big show.
I think Obama’s address, the early start to Fox’s season, and a confusing marketing strategy by Fox labeling last night’s episode the season premiere after showing a “preview” back in May and a Director’s Cut and Tweetpeat last week all could have contributed to Glee being lower-rated than it could have been otherwise. Even still, excellent demo numbers with a weakened SYTYCD as a lead-in.
Chief? It was FOX’s best scripted fall premiere in two years. while the president’s speech likely played some role, one could (and I would!) argue that what you say was a “confusing” marketing strategy was not confusing, but rather quite effective. I’m not really sure how you could reach any other conclusion, but reasonable people can disagree.
Robert, I think you read my post as more negative than it really was. The numbers were excellent no doubt. My point is that they *could* have been even better if just a few things had been done differently on Fox’s part.
I do think the marketing strategy was confusing because I’ve been having to explain to other forum members at a message board that I’m the administrator at all week long that Wednesday night was finally the night where a new episode of Glee would air. Of course that’s just anecdotal and maybe you’re right and they did it the best way they could. All I know is that it was confusing for at least some people out there.
Again, not trying to seem negative. A 3.3 or 3.4 demo for an early September premiere is excellent by anyone’s standards. And Glee is a show that I expect to maintain a steady number all season-long if not grow slightly.
Can glee hold, or god forbid in these days of TV build? My guess is that it holds well settling in at a consistent 3.0 by the fourth ep. My reasoning; critics have given it mixed reviews and shows that are critical darlings in recent years do poorly. So thank goodness Glee dodged that bullet.
Glad to see Glee doing well, nobody really listens to total viewers anymore and Glee is getting more people talking about it than any other new show at the moment. Brilliant episode as well, really hope this continues to be the success story it deserves.
Chief, my point is that the ratings might have been WORSE if FOX didn’t premiere it last May after AI, etc., etc. I think that case is just as easy to make — easier, honestly, but we can agree to disagree about that!
so cw really going to sink this year!!how dissapointing!!!!
top model was great yesterday.
George, compared to last season ANTM’s only down 10%! Why is that surprising to people?
HI, sorry to bother can sobody please explain to me the 18-49 ratings and what all of the other ratings mean, thank you
I wonder how long before the cable news networks give us their numbers for Obama’s speech.
I think those demo numbers are excellent for a fall premiere. Sure the 7.1m is kind of on the low end of expectations, but I’m sure FOX is very happy with those demo numbers. I watched the show live, DVR’d it and watched it on FOX’s website all last night lol and I got many of my friends to watch it with me, they all thought it was hilarious and entertaining as well, I think Glee will be fine and be renewed.
Marylander, cable news numbers are out typically late afternoon Eastern time if the recent history is any indication.
Maxi, Here are three places with lots of initial information about TV ratings:
http://tvbythenumbers.com/demystifying-the-s
http://tvbythenumbers.com/numbers-102
http://tvbythenumbers.com/helpfaq
Criminal Minds should be doing better.
Rhi, others, the average viewership numbers matter little to the advertising potential for the show, it’s unlikely they matter much to Fox. They care about the age/gender demo ratings. We haven’t seen any gender data yet today, but Glee’s 18-49 and 18-34 ratings had to please Fox.
I agree. A 10% drop season to season is nothing to cry about. Especially for a show in it’s 13 cycle. If Smallville, Gossip Girl, One Tree Hill, and Supernatural maintain the same type of drops then CW will be happy. The real concern is how poorly the new shows are doing. 90210 and Melrose Place bombed and if The Beautiful life and Vampire Diaries do poorly then the newer shows on the network will all suck ratings wise. With the older shows in their last season or two the CW needs those newer shows to start doing better so they don’t have a situation where they have to keep the older shows even through it’s time to move on. You can argue that they are already at the point with Smallville and One Tree Hill but the lack of good younger shows forces CWto keep the aging shows.
we have seen the age/gender data…Glee= 4.6/11 w/women 18-49, and a 5.3/15 with women 18-34. destroying the competition. With women 18-34, ANTM was next best at 9pm-10p with a 2.8/8.
It arrived just as I typed my earlier comment! Damn email client delay!
@Chief
I know what you mean. I almost didn’t plan to watch it because I thought they would be replaying the pilot, which I had already seen. It wasn’t until I read the blurb about it on global’s website that I realized it was a complete new episode.
I’m glad that thew showed it when they did, after American idol. I think that worked really well. But maybe if they had said ALL NEW GLEE, rather than SEASON PREMIERE or something, which just makes me think they are re-airing what they aired earlier.
That was the only confusion I had. I thought they would be reairing the pilot as the first episode.
I can’t believe that people wanted to spend their evening listening to a liar spew a pack of lies by way of a teleprompter. Buckets of shoes should have been made available for throwing at that pompous liar.
Whether you consider Obama a liar or a hero, it’s sad that a policy speech on the single largest item in the US economy is blown off. Health care represents 1/6th of our economy and everyone at some time needs it. Not even a war or taxes has that much broad impact. I’m not saying (by any means!) I agree with the direction – but since this impacts me and everyone I know – it is the *only* speech I’ve listened to or watched from start to finish.
Does anyone know if they are going to show a repeat of Glee? I forgot to record it.
^^@MarsPolarLander
I take it you didn’t vote for him?
what episode of glee aired last night? was that the episode from the preview, or it’s totally different? I’m kindda confused about this?
T, it was a brand-new episode.
Robert, coughseewhatimeancough
An encore of Glee airs on Friday night at 9pm, at least it does on my affiliate.
It was a new episode, with new songs.
Since the cable news comments are open, it would be really nice if all the political tripe could remain over there. Spare those of us here for the ratings having to read it.
Robert, you said that Glee had the best fall premiere in two years for Fox. Remind me, what did Fringe premiere to? I thought it was in the same range before it moved post-House.
I don’t think Glee can hold that up when the Fall competition starts, but I think SYTYCD will be ok. Glee is a good show, but I don’t get the hype and don’t really care if it stays or goes.
“I can’t believe that people wanted to spend their evening listening to a liar spew a pack of lies by way of a teleprompter. Buckets of shoes should have been made available for throwing at that pompous liar.”
Wow! You have issues and factcheck.org has already shown that a ton of Republicans were lying about what was in the bill.
I think Fringe had a 3.2 in 18-49
Sorry for a double post. Bust doesn’t Glee go up against the new NCIS and DWTS on Tuesday?
NVM, I have my days confused, lol. Not sure what Glee goes up against on Wednesday. Don’t know why I was thinking it’s a Tuesday show, when it came on yesterday.
Thanks, Chad.
I’m really looking forward to see the vampire diaries numbers tomorrow… My guess is it will probably not beat Supernatural…
It all depends on the marketing campaign the CW did… but if they only advertise it on the CW network… well don’t expect it to go over 2.5 million.
Julia, Fringe did 9.13 millions and 3.2 in the demos.
It all depends on the marketing campaign the CW did…
Maybe I’m wrong, but it seems to me that CW put all its advertising dollars in Melrose Place. Which is why I don’t really get why people think Vampire Diaries is going to be CW’s new hit, unless the fact that it has vampire in the title means it doesn’t need advertising.
I don’t get any sense that CW is looking for Vampire Diaries to do better than, say, 90210.
Oh, I don’t mean CW themselves. I mean fans of CW.
“Maybe I’m wrong, but it seems to me that CW put all its advertising dollars in Melrose Place.”
That’s because they’re trying to get the generation that never watched this show to watch it. They’re hoping that the huge vampire thing with young girls will pay off with them telling other kids about it.
VD just doesn’t need much promotion, because it wouldn’t help it anymore. But they have been promoting in heavily though.
“I don’t get any sense that CW is looking for Vampire Diaries to do better than, say, 90210.”
How could they not? It’s on their syfy night. They could get the syfy fans(I won’t be watching this) and the young girls to both watch this. This should rate higher than 90210 and MP.
VA, how could they not expect Vampire Diaries — a show aimed at young women just like 90210 NOT to perform worse than Smallville? If a “Vampire Halo” turns it into a hit, they will be delighted, no doubt, but I don’t think they are expecting it to outperform 90210…and just because you do, won’t likely change their minds. But again, if it gets 3.8 million viewers and better demos, particularly with W18-34, they will be delighted.
You will not have to wait long though tonight’s results will be somewhat skewed by lack of competition on FOX and ABC. The real test will be in two weeks.
I wouldn’t expect it to hold its numbers, because Flash Forward will probably kill any syfy fan that even attempts to watch it. I would give it a try, but I’ll be watching the NFL and College football game tonight, so my night is a wrap.
I see it doing very close to 3 mil, or slightly over 3 mil for the debut.
Since when are vampires sci-fi?
I never said that vampires were syfy, but it’s on their “syfy” night. And syfy fans have always liked vampire shows and movies, so it could get some of those fans that don’t watch football and won’t have anything to watch now that Smallville is on Friday.
Sports, anime, and syfy(just like typing it take way) are all I really watch. I was a huge Moonlight fan(never bitter or even posted about the show) and Buffy is a show that I still watch.
“Since when are vampires sci-fi?”
Stargate Atlantis had space vampires. Firefly had space zombies…
There’s way, way more chance I would give “The Wraith Diaries” a look. And sure, they sucked the life force out of people, but they weren’t in any way comparable to your run-of-the-mill Louisiana style vampires.
I appreciate the age/gender breakdown on Glee above. That makes their premier look even better to me. Clearly the target demo for this show isn’t men 35-54, or whatever … they got the folks they wanted. And word of mouth among mothers looking for shows they can watch with their daughters, college and high school girls who find ” their ” show they can glom onto, I think will make Glee a solid hit. I was just in the public library yesterday and two different women were checking out the DVD of High School Musical. Disney and Nickelodeon are setting them up, and the network that can knock ‘em down in prime-time will be poised well for the future.(I think ABC saw themselves as doing that three or four years ago, but that ship has sailed in my opinion … well, let’s just say ABC officially now has reasons to sweat out their reputation as the major network with a lock on the female 18-35 demo.
I find it odd that Wipeout does so poorly at 9 PM. I guess it really is a family show
Thanks Robert, always helpful! I’m the same anonymous that couldn’t load the page. Now it works!
You are perfect! 
Those numbers for Glee are good… for now. Can they keep it up?
ANTM did ok but far from spectacular.
ANTM did good in the demos. We have to wait to see if the other the shows fail.
Oh look at Fox taken it in the pants from NBC.
What was the last Fox show to debut with a 3.5?
I can’t find an exact number, but it looks like Standoff premiered big before quickly dying.
I’m a sci-fi fan, and a supernatural genre fan and I won’t be watching Vampire Diaries. Its a teen soap with vampires. It’s not going to get your typically male sci-fi/comic/supernatural fan.
The only way i’ll watch Vampire Diaries is if Buffy and Faith show up and kill them all in the first episode. That’s a show i’d watch.
Update: Glee went from a 3.3 to a 3.5 in the 18-49 demo.
http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/09/foxs-glee-starts-solid.html
Wipeout was so boring last night, with the Australia version. Maybe that can explain the low numbers.
Sharon, which pants might those be? The ones that crushed NBC in the important 18-49 and 18-34 demo ratings? Or perhaps you were referring to the nearly meaningless average viewership number?
TVGuy, Thanks for the update.
Robert might want to add a line to the post with the final number for Glee, but we typically don’t go back and update the fast affiliate numbers that get published early, because it’s not worth the effort. We do publish all the final numbers for the prior week every Tuesday.
Well, if Melrose place was the new superstar show for the CW… They are definitively doomed…
Robert did add a line about the final demo number for Glee. Well before TVGuy posted it.
Julia that was added ~11:30am, but I did just kind of sneak it in there without any pomp or changing of the headline, so i can’t fault anyone for not noticing,
Once I read the initial post (if then
) I never go back!
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Glee was awesome last night. You can immideatly tell that Ryan Murphy is involved… its kinda like Popular set to music.
I watched Top Model and Glee last night!
Glee is hilariously funny! I found myself cracking up multiple times. Its one of my new favorite shows!
I’ll be watching Vampire Diaries for the cheese factor. I’ll probably be imagining Sookie by the time it’s half done though.
Now, Louisiana Style Vampires are fun to watch.
Drew, I am shocked, shocked to hear you will be watching a show about Vampires!
I actually used to hate vampire shows until True Blood. I’m much more of a sports/science fan (and 30 Rock). True Blood’s an anomaly in my TV history.
“Sharon, which pants might those be? The ones that crushed NBC in the important 18-49 and 18-34 demo ratings? Or perhaps you were referring to the nearly meaningless average viewership number?”
Bill, that made me bust out laughing. Well played, my friend. Well played.
“Community is like a non musical more realistic version of Glee”
Umm…what? How in the world is Community ANYTHING like Glee? Unless you are saying that they are alike in the fact that there are no minotaurs in either of them (at least for now), I’m not following your logic.
Too soon for “So You Think…” I didn’t even watch it and i’m a fan—
…and I see the MONTHLY episodes of the Obama Tales are still on…it must be a TV show – there is so much fiction and drama on that program…I checked it out though – I think this is episode 8? Does anyone know when it will be on DVD…I missed the first few episodes – I’m a little lost…
and is it January yet? _ I’m ready for Jack Bauer – maybe he can deal with Health Care agents…his way…(hehe)
Drew, your name links to The Blue Whale Pub. Now, I admit I never really watched much Moonlight past the first episode or two, so I don’t know if The Blue Whale Pub is actually NOT a Moonlight fansite, and just has a lot of Moonlight fans who are on the forums, but the only thing I know about it is that it’s where a lot of Moonlight drama has gone down. But you didn’t like vampires until True Blood?
nkinsey, I can see the comparison. They are both about awkward students, though Community strikes me as far more realistic and not as far into caricatures as Glee. (Though Community’s characters are all caricatures pretty much.)
Its hard to know what to make of last nights numbers because of all the outside issues surrounding them but however you slice them Fox will be happy, very happy in fact whether they can maintain those kind of numbers (or in the case of Dance grow) over the coming weeks against a ‘normal’ night should be fun to see.
Not until True Blood. The Blue Whale Pub is a sci-fi forum that happens to have a large Moonlight forum but a much larger TB community. I caught Moonlight on Sci Fi and kinda liked it, but True Blood’s the first show I’ve really been drawn into. (And my favorite characters on TB, Sookie and Sam, are both human).
True Blood is a disease, you start watching this show and you get hooked. I’ve bought the 1 season this summer, watching it on my computer, people coming were all asking me to watch it with me. And once they got the first episode, they all watched the whole season in 2-3 days… I tell you, this show is a freaking disease, worst than this H1N1 thing… I don’t think Vampire hippie diaries will get a mile around true blood quality. I’ll still watch though, cause there’s nothing else to watch ^^
If your interested:
Leverage
- 3.367 million viewers
- 2.2/3 HH
- 1.0/3 A18-49
Dark Blue
- 2.020 million viewers
- 1.4/2 HH
- 0.6/2 A18-49
From Travis at PIFeedback.
@RJ: ouch for Dark Blue…
I want tables back!
I want tables back more!
Real World, Top Chef and Ghost Hunters all > Leverage w/18-49 (and WAY > Dark Blue)
Top Chef (75 minutes)
- 2.792 million viewers
- 1.9/3 HH
- 1.4/4 A18-49
Real World Cancun
- 2.049 million viewers
- 1.4/2 HH
- 1.2/3 A18-49
Ghost Hunters (9pm)
- 2.633 million viewers
- 1.6/3 HH
- 1.1/3 A18-49
And once they got the first episode, they all watched the whole season in 2-3 days… I tell you, this show is a freaking disease, worst than this H1N1 thing…
I guess I am immune as is my friend. We both tried really hard to watch the first season. Got through three episodes before giving up. I know, I know, it supposedly gets better by the end of the first season, but it’s not worth the effort to me.
i will try Vamp Diares and a Csi reun
Hey, different strokes for different folks. It’s almost like a different show from episode 5 on. It gets much more serious and the sex goes quite a bit down.
are we going to have bad fall season where nobody is going to watch anything
@ Julia. If you didn’t get hooked up on the first episode, then the show is not for you…
The only explanation is… you’re definitively not from this planet!!! ^^
Julia-
You aren’t missing a lot if you didn’t get into it after those episodes. I actually stuck it out for the full season of TB, and I just don’t get why it’s so huge. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not HORRIBLE. It just didn’t grab me. That’s how I was with Lost and Heroes. I actually thought I would get sucked into those shows, gave each about 4-5 eps, and they didn’t grab me; so I stopped watching them. Both were well done, just not for me.
And I thought Community was more about the people in charge than the students. And I guess setting-wise, the shows are similar. But in no way are they similar themes.
I love Joel McHale, but if he starts singing “It’s Over Now”, I might have to weep softly….
And I thought Community was more about the people in charge than the students.
I think of the regular cast only one person is faculty. (Unfortunately, I don’t think John Oliver is not a regular because he wouldn’t give up TDS.)
i can lots of stuff pulled this year
see
Ken Jeong and John Oliver are supposed to be the authority people on Community I think.
Re: Glee
Somewhere, Dawn Ostroff must be so jealous.
Just as what I was thinking. GLEE would do just okay on total viewers but excellent on the demos. I think it could pretty much hold on to its numbers 7-8 total viewers and 3.00-3.50 demo. I guess after next week’s episode, we could probably hear full season renewal news.
I guess after next week’s episode, we could probably hear full season renewal news.
I don’t think Fox would jump the gun that fast. It won’t even be up against its full competition for two more weeks. After that, maybe we’ll see a back nine pick up. But I’m guessing we won’t until at least mid-October.
^ Oops wrong choice of word, I mean full season pickup(back nine episodes) not renewal for season 2 LOL. Well, FOX really love this show, for them to air the pilot early and the heavy promotion they did for GLEE, I wouldn’t be surprised if they’ll give the back nine immediately.
I knew you meant back-nine, but I still don’t think Fox will do it until they at least see how it fares against all its competition. No matter how much they love it.
^ Point taken. Maybe, I just got too excited.
By the way, I’ve read the mention of Standoff’s premiere in 2006 on Fox got a 4.7 but that was after the season premiere of House that got 7.1 (19 million viewers) which was really impressive because it premiered around this time too.
Here was the source for the Standoff premiere ratings
http://www.medialifemagazine.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=273&num=7102
Wow seeing that article made me realize the ratings today are really low
Glee was great. I think it will probably maintain most of its audience as it goes on, but it faces its actual competition in a few weeks, so that will be the real test.
Wipeout was probably low due to a combination of a few factors: Actual competition from Glee, it wasn’t on at its normal time because Obama talked about 10 or 15 minutes too long (also will screw up DVR numbers…I didn’t see the whole thing because it cut off way too early), and because they dumped the host Jill this week and replaced her with an Australian blonde (this week was the Australian edition…strange), though it’s just temporary.
Also, I find it hilarious that 3.2 million is the best ratings that the CW has had since March. A good half of cable channels have more or even double that number for their shows. But that’s the CW for you.
A good half of cable channels
You don’t know how many cable channels there are, do you? I don’t think even all of the top 20 cable nets get that many viewers.
nick may be clueless about cable network viewership, but we are not,
Last week one cable network averaged more than 3.2 million in prime time, ESPN, and only because they had a pre-season NFL game.
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/09/09/nfl-preseason-nascar-boosts-espn-on-top-weeks-primetime-cable-viewership/26594
Some weeks not a single cable network will average 3.2 million viewers in prime-time, and it’s unusual to have more than a handful at the most on a given week.
Needless to say, no cable network, ever to my knowledge, has averaged more than *twice* 3.2 million viewers in primetime.
As for individual cable shows, 3.2 million average viewers would put a show somewhat below #20 for last week, which would probably be typical on any given week.
Yeah, I figured he was referring to actually having a show that gets more than 3.2 mil viewers, not the network average.
I couldnt stand more than a few minutes of watching Nancy “Botox” Pelosi hovering over Obama like some kind of Borg drone with that robotic expression she usually has on her face – even smiles seem forces.
Of course the main reason I changed the channel was simply to avoid watching Comrade Obama trying to woo the crowd with soaring rhetoric. Talk about overexposure. He is like a school boy pleading “please like my plan, pleaseeeeeee pretty please? Aint I great?”
cancel the obama show
Ok, so apparently a few of you missed my last section of my post about Glee/Community:
“And I guess setting-wise, the shows are similar. But in no way are they similar themes.”
The shows are not similar, except for where they take place. That’s it. Their themes are TOTALLY different. Saying they are similar would be like saying The Office and Mad Men are similar because they take place in an office (well, mostly). Or if you want to stick with classrooms, Community would be considered nearly identical to Saved by the Bell.
Julia, you are one of the smarter people on this site, but I think the two shows are rediculously different.
How did the Real World Cancun The S#!T They Should’ve Shown special do on Wednesday 11PM after the Cancun finale?
nkinsey, just saw this. All I said is I can see the comparison. Since they are both new shows this season that take place in classrooms and are comedies (Glee is supposed to be funny, right?) comparing them seems pretty likely, in fact.