Those with any doubt what a good move it was for Fox News to pick up Glenn Beck look no further than the chart below. His average viewership at 5pm exceeded the combined viewership of his three cable news network competitors every night in September. On six nights he had twice the combined viewership.
This chart was a collaboration between two of our readers. Reader Dave created the chart using the data patiently assembled by reader MikeS.
Glenn Beck vs. The Combined Competition TV Ratings, September 2009:
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Nielsen Cable Network Coverage Estimates (as of September, 2009)
CNN/HLN: 99.10 million HHs
CNBC: 96.78 million HHs
FNC: 96.26 million HHs
MSNBC: 92.64 million HHs
Nielsen TV Ratings Data: ©2009 The Nielsen Company. All Rights Reserved.
Love him or hate him, these are amazing numbers for Beck.
Wow what happened that one day around 9/8ish? lol Glenn Almost came close to his competition. Get it together Glenn!
I noticed that too.
On 9/7/2009
Beck = 1,733,00
Competition = 1,519,00
If anyone has a theory on what happened that day, chime in. I’m curious.
Rerun, power outage in Texas, conservatives en-rout to teaparties, ???
oops … lost a couple of zeros there.
Beck = 1,733,000
Competition = 1,519,000
If anything I would almost guess an error in nielsen’s numbers. lol
Its just really odd that one random day like that.
I don’t know why but I want to know this, msnbc had a special on and it was the day the text for obama’s speech to schools was released.
Was that near the time of the “Obama is a racist” debacle?
It was Labour day
I would suspect a special on one of the other news channels, but their numbers did not go up. Beck just went down? Strange?
Was it the first night of Monday Night Football?
Labor Day. Yes, but it is still strange that Beck took a hit and the others did not. Is there something I don’t know regarding conservatives and Labor Day?
No that was 7/28 on Fox and Friends. Not sure when the “boycott” started.
FOUND IT:
I don’t remember this at all but Joe “Pags” Pagliarulo was in for Beck that day
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/show/2009-09-07/
Labour day was on a Wednesday this year?
Charlie … Good call on the Beck stand in.
My calendar says Sept 7th was a Monday. Beck must have taken the Holiday off.
Looks like ‘Pags’ covered him on the radio. Not sure who did the TV show, but probably not Beck.
I am just grateful that there are 300 million Americans and less thasn 4 million watch this (journalistic ? ) travesty at all.
If this is correct, that is a sad commentary on the political IQ’s of that part of the American electorate
The other 296 million Americans are probably still at work like me at 5pm Eastern time. Either that or their watching Sponge Bob
The reason he had low numbers on that day was because they interupted his show to bring the messiahs speech. Its hilarious when fox news does that and there numbers plummet. We want glenn fixed news not obama. Morons.
Wow I was wrong on a few accounts… LOL, its the start of the NHL season, and well games started today at 12pm in Finland, so I been in hockey watching mode all day, beer junk food the whole nine yards.
First I was looking at October not September for the date lol
Secondly I think I do remember his show being a re-broadcast of older segments and such. That explains why I couldn’t remember another person standing in for him on TV.
Napolitano has stood in a few times for him I think on TV. But the last few times he has been off they just showed cobbled together shows from parts of other recent shows.
For a blowhard putz like this achieving relative (cable) success, just shows how nasty some Americans are. Some time in the future historians will point to this type of entertainment as a leading cause of the decline of the U.S.A. I’m embarrassed for my country and my species.
Which brings me to another quesiton: Where has Andrew Napolitano been lately? Anybody seen him on FNC? I like his thoughts and opinions usually.
Poor Little Leftists don’t control the agenda anymore. DRIP DRIP DRIP the worm keeps turning. Now don’t get Paranoid on us. We are watching you. We have cameras everywhere. Just trying to push you Leftists over the edge. Just a little NUDGE. How’s that Hope and Change going? LOL! More tapes tomorrow stay tuned. Has The New York Times said the words Van Jones Acorn or NEA yet? I thought the point of a paper was to report on top stories? I could be wrong? Don’t worry WE THE PEOPLE will give you all the Information you need. Isn’t this fun? FREE AT LAST FREE AT LAST THANK GOD! O MIGHTY FREE AT LAST. You in The Old Fringe Media can just go away we don’t need you anymore. MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same Ask the LIAR obama.
The other 296 million Americans are probably still at work like me at 5pm Eastern time. Either that or their watching Sponge Bob
Just some FYI/Trivia
1.)Nielsen counts the universe of people in homes with TVs aged 2 and up (P2+) and that’s currently 292 million. The universe of people 18+ in homes with TVs is ~226 million and the universe of adults 25-54 in homes with TVs is ~124 million.
2.) The universe of SpongeBob airings is almost entirely repeats, so the results change a lot in weeks where new episodes are released. The repeats have their best showings on the weekends. Though the Monday 9/21 SB did almost hit 3 million from 5p-530p.
3.) the best NCIS repeat on USA at 5pm the week of 9/21-9/27 averaged 2.18 million, though the best NCIS repeat on USA at 8pm (3.703M) beat the best O’Reilly at 8pm (3.536M) that week.
4.) Generally from 5p-6p between 20%-25% of the P2+ audience is watching TV, so shows airing then have an available audience of ~58M-~73M (edit: this is for Monday through Fri — it’s a little higher on Saturdays, and higher still on Sundays. for the week of 9/27, Sunday at 5pm had 33%, while the prior Monday was 23% ).
Robert Seidman,
Most excellent trivia! I wish this community could spend more time discussing things like this, that are ‘on topic’, and less time calling each other names.
Thanks for the info … I learn something every day. BTW, I must confess I’m a closet SB fan.
I wish this community could spend more time discussing things like this, that are ‘on topic’, and less time calling each other names.
Dave, particularly with this subject matter that’s wishful thinking. You’d have better luck convincing a Red Sox fan to wear a Yankees cap. I’m not sure there is any “A” vs. “B” analysis that you could do that would stay purely civil, though. Even Nickelodeon vs. Disney would ultimately devolve into comments like “Hannah Montana sucks!!! iCarly ruuuuuulz!”
MOOOO, MOOOOOOO
Thats the sound of Glenn Beck and Fox news listeners. They have nothing better to do then sit on their twinky filled butts. Come on people do you realize that most intellectuals dont watch the boob tube? We dont buy a book so it shows them dam conservatives who we support even though the books are crap. We actually buy literature when its good literature. As one of the late night comedians said Sarah Palin’s new autobiography—that doesn’t come out until November—is already number one on Amazon. And if you go to the Web site, it says, ‘People who bought this book also bought…no other books in their entire lives.’”
Its a brainwash on a crowd thats combine IQ cant figure out when they are being manipulated. I find it sad that they think they are part of something when they should just put the bells on mooooo for the cows they are.
I like you Scott. Only in this country could you make so much money for crying everyday, The words of Lindsay Graham, one republican who actually denounces Beck and the birthers in this country. Hopefully more will follow suit.
Thanks for the reminder, Scott. I had forgotten to place an order for Sarah Palin’s book. I see Glenn Beck’s is currently at #2; maybe I’ll get it also. And Michelle Malkin’s, #12. All three at affordable prices – not bad at all.
Scott, are you one of those “intellectuals” you mentioned? One would assume that an “intellectual” would know how to write properly – you know, grammar, punctuation, things like that. Let me help you.
First of all, “twinky-filled” is a compound adjective and requires a hyphen. The word “don’t” is a contraction of “do not” and, thus, requires an apostrophe. I believe you were looking for the adjectival form of “combine,” which should have been “combined” when used to modify IQ. Finally, you might want to read up on how to use quotation marks (and I won’t even begin to comment on all the errors with commas!).
But, really… don’t change. It’s much more fun when a liberal like yourself rants about how “stupid” other people are, and proceeds to make himself look like even more of a dope through poor language. Another find example of what our public schools have become through liberal intervention.
I’m not sure these cable numbers mean much. The reality is that most very right wing viewers watch only Fox News to get the news they want to hear. Meanwhile, the rest of American, the mainstream, divide up between CNN MSNBC and — let’s not forget — the regular alphabet channels.
So all it means is that Beck has the right wing market cornered which is around 3 to 4 million viewers per night. Other than that, the rest of America watches all the other channels. In perspective, it means his show is a total failure.
I enjoy reading comments about people’s opinions. It does begin to become tiresome to weed through comments that degrade others for having an opposing opinion. Might I make a suggestion: clearly state your viewpoint. Express your idea with any supporting reasons for it and then aknowledge the strengths of your opponents idea but explain why it is not strong enough. I find myself trying to make sense of our political world. So many people have their own agenda but facts are funny things. I watch Glenn Beck and then watch shows like Keith Olbermann and sprinkle a little CNN and plenty of reading of online articles from multiple sources. I can say I honestly see hipocrosy throughout. It reminds me of a cat and mouse game. Whose team are you on? – attack the other team with extreme prejudice. Where are the reasoned comments that describe your views.
To practice what I preach: I believe that Glen Beck’s numbers must indicate something significant. It is not just the right-wing viewerships that are making them go up. It can’t be that simple or you would have a faithful following of viewers bringing up ratings of other programs for Fox. I find myself watching Glenn Beck and I admit he makes arguments that I find interesting. Do I believe him without question? I do not believe everything but I would imagine that Glenn Beck would say, “Don’t just believe me”. I like his call on all people to get involved, whatever your political affiliation. He has been critical of both Republicans and Democrats. A few comments suggested that perhaps significant viewership is spread across several networks, giving not one of the networks an edge over the single conservative show that competes against them. That is a valid argument but if the numbers in this article are correct, Glenn Beck has a viewership that beats the combined competition. If that is true, the argument that viewership spread across networks accounts for the discrepency is not enough. What does this mean? He is a force to be admired if you agree with him, while you should be concerned if you don’t.
Please find it in your hearts not to criticize my grammar, spelling, intelligence, or any other item that has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. It detracts from reasoned debate, if there is such a thing.
The only reason I watch Beck sometimes is the same reason I watch a car wreck: You can not look away. Beck is good for fun. His brain, other other hand, is fried.
Dave says:
October 3, 2009 at 3:37 am
The only reason I watch Beck sometimes is the same reason I watch a car wreck: You can not look away. Beck is good for fun. His brain, other other hand, is fried.
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I feel the same way about whiny keith olbermann. If he isn’t crying over his jealousy of Fox, he is……hmmm, still whining.
Speaking of losers. G.E. is going to dump NBC. The long ailing network has been a anchor around G.E.’s neck for many years. Universal looks like it’s going too. HEY Rupert go get em. LOL! Poor little Leftists can’t make anything successful. Looks like the Olympic committee must of watched Glenn Becks show about Chicago. MAN! That Glenn Beck sure is powerful!!! Van Jones,Acorn,NEA,Olympics. Who’s next in is sights? He has 5 refounders already. MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same Ask the LIAR obama.
Beck’s funnier than anything sitcom on TV. Want a really good laugh? Talk to his viewers that take him seriously. We don’t need more jails we need more psychiatric hospitals. I’m not surprised at all by his ratings. Shock TV. Pop Culture at it best. All shock, no content. Time magazine even mocked him with that mag cover shot. Everyone is talking about him. Of course his ratings are going to be huge. Anyone remember Jerry Springer? Same thing.
Who cares?
“Come on people do you realize that most intellectuals dont watch the boob tube?”
Hey Scott, do you realize that the NAME of the site you posted to is TV By The Numbers?
I guess you are not all that much of an “intellectual”.
does it come as a big suprise thata concentrated audience of like minded people will gravitate to a show that airs their own points of view? doesn’t to me. because fox is a biaist network, i would be shocked if it did not have a larger viewership. cnn, msnbc, the mainstream networks try, if always ablet to, to make an open observation at hwhat is going on. if they take a liberal slant that is because maybe that point of view is correct at times..that eats at conservatives i know. i; as a progressive, liberal thinking man; actually see some conservatives point of view. i rarely, if ever see a conservative understand or give credit to a liberal idea. it bothers me that so many neo-conservative radical have high-jacked the republican party and make it look subversive to have a differing opionion. i belive liberal ideology opens dorrs while conservatives like to close doors. restict access to those who have little influence and tighten the grip og those who can afford accessability to the halls of government. shocking!
Good points Robert Seidman, thanks.
It would be interesting to know the ratings at 5 P.M. before Glenn Beck started. I remember an article saying that the ratings were up 89%. This means that Fox was probably already getting more viewers then the combined competition. So the question is does the extra 1.3 million viewers that Beck produces bring in enough extra revenues to justify the extra 10 million that it costs Sir Rupert Murdoch. Even with over 50 advertisers refusing to advertise on his show since he called President Obama a racist, my guess would be yes. He has probably added several hundred thousand viewers to the other prime time Fox shows as well as increasing his own time hour.
It seems that MSBC needs to quickly counter-program with an interesting personality at 5 PM.
Jon Martinez says:
October 2, 2009 at 10:31 pm
…. I’m embarrassed for my country and my species.
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GOOD! Hopefully we can add you and people like you to “The Endangered Species” list soon and watch you all fade away from existence, to become extinct like the dinosour! You’re just a perfect example of the success of the brainwashing that the liberals have been doing to you for so many years.
Fact is Jon that YOU and those who think like you are the leading cause of the decline of America!
Honestly, Beck is kind of crazy sometimes, but I actually agree with him on a lot of things. I’ve never watched his show though, just his interview with Katie Couric.
Scott, if you’re going to write–I mean, “type” a comment about the low IQ of conservatives, get someone literate to check it for you.
Alas, you are far below average in grammar, spelling, and punctuation. It makes you the fool when you try for the “imperious” tone in your comments.
Good luck with remedial English.
Glenn Beck is the poster child for the “Don’t do drugs campaign.” The side effects of long term alcohol and drug abuse can be easily seen on this charlatan’s face. He ia an idiot.
Looks like people are getting tired of the comedy news on the other networks. Glenn can get a little doom and gloom at times but at least he gives you the facts, ain’t that right Chris Mathews. If this was wrong you would think the White House would challenge him. He has gave them every opportunity with no response. So Glenn you keep uncovering the crooks and we’ll keep your back.
Beck is a clown, but so is Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann and Rachael Maddow. Beck is no worse than they are.
I barely know who Glenn Beck is, but the comments from leftists in this thread have convinced me: I am going to Amazon to buy his book and I’m adding his show to my Tivo schedule.
Scott,
How dumb can someone be, on amazon.com that doesn’t mean books purchased in your life time, it’s books purchased at the same time. I guess thats just more of that great liberal spinning of the truth again. You said most intellectuals don’t watch t.v, but you’re going to believe what you hear on a late night talk show? That doesn’t sound too intelligent to me getting news from a late night talk show. That is really pathetic whan you have to “self proclaim” yourself as intelligent, that just shows how much of a dumbass you really are. Haha saying you don’t watch t.v then you go quoting what you saw on a t.v late night show. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
Know who isn’t laughing about Beck?
ACORN and Van Jones.
Whether you like him or hate him, hes having political impact. That makes him intriguing and watchable.
Wow…I wonder how many PC’d heads of consumer sales products are continuing to ignore ( at their own peril and stupidity ) advertising on Becks show? And how that “boycott” by the racist tribe leaders of the SLPC is working out? With 3 million viewers to reach out to on a daily basis…I’d think Beck is in the drivers seat now. Drown in your own self pity and spittle you nappy headed idiots.
Broght to you by
Glenn Beck:
Van Jones – Gone
ACORN tapes- Going
9/12 Project – major coup for a TV news show.
The others:
Declining poll numbers for Obama, Democrats, health care bills,
Declining income for all MSM outlets
Even with a lefty boycott, Beck continues to be more effective by himself than the rest of the media.
Not so bad really for “side effects of long term alcohol and drug abuse” and “an idiot.”
or “His brain…is fried.”
or
“a blowhard putz”
or
“(journalistic ? ) travesty”
And so on. Beck’s competition couldn’t even stop a damaged George Bush from getting most of his proposals through a democrat congress.
Beck is often a bit to theatrical for me, but much of what he says is right on the money.
I never watched 5:00 TV until Beck came on. Like most people, I work, and it just wasn’t a time of day I had the idiot-box on. I read most of my news online. However, since finding Beck (and DVRs…what did we do without them?), I find myself glued to the 5:00 hour. And the 6:00 FOX news, too… Surely, I am fairly typical of Beck’s audience.
I believe that if FOX put him on at 3:00 am, his numbers would be no different. His message resonates with a certain population of people; it also seems to terrify a large number of people who want to silence him, if the “intellectual” comments I’ve seen here are representative.
Beck may be “mad, bad, and dangerous to know” like Byron, perhaps. But he attracts people. That dip on 9/8 was almost certainly due to people like me, who tune in and realize it’s NOT Beck himself today and turn off the TV. It’s not the time-block. It’s not the network. IT’s the man.
Bulldawg:
re: “but at least he gives you the facts”
Not according to Glen Beck:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2FK2vchoEo
Check the 4:05 minute mark. He’s a brilliant shock jock but looking to him for facts or journalism is lunacy.
Glenn often challenges his viewers to find out the facts for themselves, to do research.
He puts pieces of information together and asks questions.
He admits when he is wrong about facts.
He begs for answers.
The White House administration is silent except to cherry pick a couple insignificant statements as skewed.
They do not answer easy questions like– who is vetting these special advisors, i.e. csars ?
Beck does not claim to be a Republican or a GOP leader like the Progressive left tries to label him as. He is a Libertarian. He has conservative values. He reveres the core values that established America and he loves his country.
What is wrong with that?
And for those bashing him about being a recovering alcoholic?
Do not forget that our sitting President is an admitted cocaine abuser, dealer, among other drugs. Read Obama’s book . He talks about it.
I just wanted to add a side note;
Glenn Beck is on FOX News Channel.
FNC is a Premium channel. That means it is not included with Basic Cable (or dish either).
Hence, you have to PAY EXTRA to watch Glenn Beck, while you will get CNN (that’s the competition) free with a Basic Cable Package. (And you get CNN at Airports and at Schools etc. etc.)
Yet Beck beats out his competition COMBINED!
That says something quite significant.
jd
Reason for the lower rating on 9-8 is a huge number of Glenn’s viewers were on the road to DC for 9-12!
Everyone listen to “scott” (below). He’s an intellectual and he thinks you’re a moo moo cow.
Scott, you claim to be too smart to bother with the “boob tube” but then reference some unspecified late night comedian to support your “I’m an intellectual therefore better than you” arguement.
LOL
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scott says:
October 2, 2009 at 11:34 pm
MOOOO, MOOOOOOO
Thats the sound of Glenn Beck and Fox news listeners. They have nothing better to do then sit on their twinky filled butts. Come on people do you realize that most intellectuals dont watch the boob tube? We dont buy a book so it shows them dam conservatives who we support even though the books are crap. We actually buy literature when its good literature. As one of the late night comedians said Sarah Palin’s new autobiography—that doesn’t come out until November—is already number one on Amazon. And if you go to the Web site, it says, ‘People who bought this book also bought…no other books in their entire lives.’”
Its a brainwash on a crowd thats combine IQ cant figure out when they are being manipulated. I find it sad that they think they are part of something when they should just put the bells on mooooo for the cows they are.
Let me think, msnbc gives you all the news you can understand.
Their ideas are your ideas.
You love the hate they have for your enemies on fox.
Your still slobbering over your “idol”, as they instruct you to do.
Beck is bad..bash him constantly..make him look unbalanced..yes sir
I always do as you say..
I can understand all of this, because, Obama is a puppet,the czars
are pulling his strings,Obama is pulling msnbc, and they are pulling
your. It all works in the scheme of things.
You do have all the knowledge you need and understand.
Philosopher Jay,
I just wanted to say that I basically agree with your last post! I didn’t think I would ever say that …
Dave M
I don’t understand why advertisers would bow to the left-wing radicals who called for the boycott of the highly rated Beck in the first place. Does Procter & Gamble really want to be the first choice among the shoplifting/food stamp crowd? Does it really benefit Chili’s to have scummy freegans picking through their dumpsters for stale, half-eaten tortillas?
They’d be far better off to appeal to the people who watch Beck and who are actually willing and able to spend money on things like soap and pharmaceuticals (rather than waiting for the government to provide freebies for them).
“scott says: October 2, 2009 at 11:34 pm ‘As one of the late night comedians said Sarah Palin’s new autobiography—that doesn’t come out until November—is already number one on Amazon. And if you go to the Web site, it says, ‘People who bought this book also bought…no other books in their entire lives.’”
Just out of curiosity, I actually WENT to Amazon.com and checked it out:
http://www.amazon.com/Going-Rogue-American-Sarah-Palin/dp/0061939897/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b
Customers Who Bought This Item Also Bought
Page 1 of 16
Yep, SIXTEEN PAGES of books.
So not only is the comedian wrong (and not terribly funny) but YOU are wrong for quoting him/her.
Just goes to show you how removed from reality Liberal opinion is.
As far as Glenn Beck goes, I watch him every day, and am planning on getting a DVR specifically so that I can DVR his program should I have to work late any day. He’s one of the very best opinion journalists out there. That’s why he’s so popular.
Charlie says:
October 2, 2009 at 10:01 pm
FOUND IT:
I don’t remember this at all but Joe “Pags” Pagliarulo was in for Beck that day
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/show/2009-09-07/
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That might explain it: I live in San Antonio, and my tolerance for Pags rarely exceeds five minutes. He usually starts his show every day by using the local news babe as a foil. Obviously clueless (if not liberal at heart), her responses to his queries about statements often begin with, “ohhhhhhhhhh….” But she does make him look smart!
I like Glenn Beck. He is opening up a lot of eyes.
I live in Virginia and Obama won Va… Virginia is very conservative so that means there were a lot of people fooled.
I have lost count of the friends I have that voted for this man and now learning the real truths (issues the MSM did not investigate before the election). They are seriously regretful of their vote.
Glenn’s show is very well researched. He has a good team.
Do not bash this show until you have watched it a few times.
He is silly on the show but to be perfectly honest, some of this revelation is so shocking and sad that a little humor is good.
Can I say just one simple thing here?
Love him or hate him *because* you’ve seen the show. So many people gripe at Limbaugh and call him a fat man. He hasn’t been fat for a decade. Clearly they’re assuming a reputation that isn’t their own.
If you’re gonna hate the show, do it because you’ve actually watched and entire episode, willya?
For all you libs who hate Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, O’Reilly, etc……the reason for it is simple. They’re RIGHT! I dare any of you to listen and do some research. Practically every time their facts on right on mark. THAT’S why there is such hatred from the left and why the dems “boycott” fox news…..when they put them on the spot, and ask for answers, they don’t have a response. OR if they do it will end their careers. If the mainstream media even did 1/10 of their jobs and reported and investigated the whole democrat, liberal, socialist/communist movement it would be the end of them. You know it, we know it, and they know it.
If u rightwingers are the majority and liberals are in the minority why did Obama win 53 percent of the popular vote LOL face the country is getting more liberal and the rightwingg can’t stand it
Reasonable questions for unreasonable times I think the way beck puts it.
Why does obama say I can keep my private plan and tell his supporters he will force americans to single payer?
Why does he say this reform won’t cover illegals then gets proven wrong by language of the bills?
Why did he want the 1000+page bill rushed through so fast before it was read or debated?
Why does obama say this reform will run our personal health care better when social security, run by the same government, is depleted, medicare has been swollen with fraud and abuse for decades, va hospitals misdiagnose vets while paying overseers bonuses, the post office recently had to be bailed out by the government that is printing money around the clock? And HR 3200 or baucus’ bill depends so much on taxes, fines, regulations that hit the already government hobbled free market but has no room for tort reform-howard dean says we couldn’t pass it if we tried to go against the trial lawyers.
Why does so much of what obama says later found to be not true, made up, and why are the lower rated new shows (and tanking newspapers) above NOT reporting on these details?
Are they TRYING to keep us in the dark? Are they THAT enthralled by obama?
When we ask these questions and only get called nazis, racists, sexual perverts, idiots, morons, killers, while the left is applauding dave letterman, polanski, b. frank, ACORN tax cheat tips for underage “performers”, SEIU astroturfed thugs, lawmakers who can’t do math but want to run our lives, don’t blame us when we turn away from you and never believe you.
Maybe because the MSM helped him be portrayed as a centrist. We won’t get fooled again.
“If u rightwingers are the majority and liberals are in the minority why did Obama win 53 percent of the popular vote LOL face the country is getting more liberal and the rightwingg can’t stand it”
Simple, because Democrats pretended to be conservative in 2006 and 2008.
Now that people are finding out they aren’t they are getting upset. (See Tea Parties for a full explaination)
jd
@ CAT7722
That is a very astute observation. Goes all the way back to what my parents taught me, and that’s why all these wanna be Che Guevara’s in this country foam at the mouth about the thing’s he, and others talk about. Simply, “The truth HURTS”! The real truth of the matter is, since the “abortion” of the sex/drugs/rock and roll era, these bottom feeding sycophants have been fed a full and steady diet of radicalism, Marxism, etc. etc.. I consider myself to be about as far right wing as one can get, and believe you me, you don’t want me, or my extensive list of right wing, gun toting, bible thumping friends to get any where near RADICAL. If that happens, you better duck, ’cause the bullets will be a flyin. That is all.
i am a fan. i think Glenn has it right on the money when it comes to the democrataics and their silly behavior. keep up the good work Glenn
frank la may
Obama got elected for several reasons.
First the Marxist Socialist Media pulled out all the stops and burned through its credibility to cast the Bush administration in as negative a light as they possibly could. They succeeded in fooling many people. Goebbels would be proud.
Second, Obama cast himself as a non-leftist Democrat, the same stunt that Bill Clinton pulled in ‘92. The MSM helped him in this effort through its non-coverage of his intimate ties to Marxist terrorists like Ayers and pseudo-christian racist demagogues like Wright.
Third, there was no Ross Perot muddying the waters this time and splitting the non-leftist vote.
The leftists believed, as they always do, that if they can trick the country into putting them in power that they will be able to remake the character of the country in their own diseased image. But because the U.S. is not a Marxist oligarchy, their plans repeatedly fail. They always pretend to be non-leftists. After the election they drop their pretenses of sanity and immediately try to drag the country off a cliff, at which point the people of the US respond by purging them from power. The more intelligent among them understand this fact, which is why they rush so hard and so fast to push their agendas through once they take the reins of power. You can see this today on in their efforts on “health care reform.” They know that if they don’t succeed in wrecking things now, it will be many years before they’ll have another chance.
It is not by accident that almost every Democrat since Harry Truman has been a single term president. The exceptions are Johnson, whose first term was the result of Kennedy’s assassination and whose second term was a catastrophe, and Clinton who cared more about being president than pursuing his political agenda and largely became the centrist he’d initially promoted himself as being. Having Bob Dole as his opponent sealed the deal.
It is my sincerest hope and prayer that what we are seeing how is the high water mark for the left. That they will be henceforth cast into outer darkness, never to trouble the good people of the US again. That their long march through our institutions, such as education and the news media, will be halted and the miscreants purged. That they will be relegated to the status of neo-nazis and the klansmen where they belong.
b.duhe
Liberal idology opens doors?
It kicks open doors and shoves you through it if you want go or not.
And the right closes doors?
All we expect you to do is open your own doors and not fetch the government to come help you do what you can do for yourself.
Enough “doors” all ready.
Republicans like watching a train wreck.
And Lee, reading your first sentence makes you look like an idiot.
I think its funny. Liberals started this country (you know Jefferson who wrote the Declaration of Independence, George Washington-a moderate Federalist, James Madison), and 3 Liberals: Roosevelt, Wilson, and Truman (completed 2nd World War) won wars that actually involved fighting. So you should probably watch your mouth when you say bullets will be a flyin. No one supporting a Big Business over the common people have ever won a revolution.
One of Beck’s competitor’s, Wolf Blitzer, is apparently incredibly stupid. I read today that he was on Jeopardy and at one point in the game was at NEGATIVE $99,700! I am not joking. Can anyone else confirm that this actually happened? It’s so pathetic, that it’s actually difficult to believe.
The fact that some people are actually relying on a man with such a low intelligence level to provide them with vital information is rather frightening.
Which party passed the Patriot Act?
Which party approved warrantless wire tapping on Americans?
Which party renamed torture “enhanced interrogation techniques which violates the Geneva convention?
Which party’s president had a shoe thrown at him by a member of the country we were supposed to be greeted as liberators?
Conservatives today won’t be happy until we’ve sold everything we have to China and have given away all our freedoms to the Government in nightly wrapped phrases like the Patriot Act.
To assume people hate Glen Beck because he is “right” is specious. Maybe people do not care for him because so many are fooled by his hate mongering rhetoric masquerading as morality and common sense. Glen Beck or whatever his real name is is the Jerry Springer of Fox News and the people that watch Springer are one in the same. White trash.
Libs, repeat after me until reality sets in:
“Everyone doesn’t agree with me? I’m in the minority? Oh crap!”
“Everyone doesn’t agree with me? I’m in the minority? Oh crap!”
“Everyone doesn’t agree with me? I’m in the minority? Oh crap!”
“Everyone doesn’t agree with me? I’m in the minority? Oh crap!” “Everyone doesn’t agree with me? I’m in the minority? Oh crap!”
I have Dish network all of last year i could only get cnn but beganing of the year i get Fox and Friend,the only thing i watch on cnn was Glend Beck and Lou Dobb.I found out a week ago that my sister and her family watch Glend every day on Fox, Last year Lindsay Graham pull the Republican party far Left he going to try to go left again.If he doese their will be a 3 party movement that will be a good change of Obama being put back in.
gdb Your the reason Beck wrote the book Arguing with IDIOTS. Poor little Leftist how’s that Hope and Change been going? Did you hear about the new Safe Schools Czar Kevin Pervert Jennings? He’s one of those guys who hangs out with groups like NAMBLA. The National Man Boy Love Association. Isn’t that great The Liar Obama put a PERVERT in charge of our children? Don’t you just feel warm and fuzzy all over? You Leftist getting a tingle up your legs. The Democrats sure have the Pervert and Childmolester votes locked up. MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same Ask the Perverts in the Whitehouse.
GBD, its funny you mention those things, then try to throw Glenn Beck (and vicariously along with him, those who like him) under the bus… or in this case the tanks in Tiananmen Square…
However if you actually knew anything about the man you hate so much you would know that he stood up, still stands up, and likely always will stand up against all you mentioned.
I like how your still showing that dumb video clip of him on the view too. All people have to do is actually watch the video as it is, not how you intend it, and your argument looses all credibility.
How many weeks has it been now, that nobody as actually provided any links to any of his “hate mongering rhetoric?”
Which side really looks the most hateful when it comes to Glenn Beck? Those that like him, or those that try to tear him down? I have rarely-if ever seen anything of his seriously challenged. Usually just nit picking and out of context stuff such as what your doing.
Glenn beck is so wrong, so full of hate, so bad? Really? Nobody’s showed me.
Dear JHazelwood
History Lesson.
This country was started by two groups;
The Religious Right
and
The Gun Nuts.
Neither of which are liberals.
Of course for you to realize that you would have to read the federalist papers and Marxists cannot survive doing so, hence I know you will not.
jd
NEWS FLASH!!! Property for sale in New Orleans. ACORN has gone belly up in the big easy. LMAO!!!!! LOL!!!! OH MYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!! This is FUN WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!! Poor little Leftists. You guys can’t do anything right. Oh that’s right your Leftist. LOL!!! Glenn Beck strikes again. This is fun!!!! MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same. Will obama last 4 years? Not ready for prime time.
For a bunch of “truthers” the neo-cons proclaim to be? Their posts seem to indicate the truth hurts. Seems someone touced a nerve? To argue the falacy that is so often proclaimed here, they must be so touchy because they know they are wrong. BTW that is sarcasm. I’m pointing out the silliness in such an argument.
charlie:
I like how your still showing that dumb video clip of him on the view too. All people have to do is actually watch the video as it is, not how you intend it, and your argument looses all credibility.
The video I keep showing is so silly because os Beck’s own words. Either your deaf or in denial. Which i don’t care. If you can take a man at his own words you perhaps have a comprehension problem. Sorry Charlie.
Shane2813: I can only hope I am the reason Beck writes his comedic books. I’ll take that as a compliment. Alas, methinks the morons that spend their money on them have a part as well.
JHAZELWOOD you stated that Liberals founded this country. Classical Liberals founded this country and they believed in crazy things like liberty, the wisdom of the little people, limited government, free speech etc. Modern progressives besmirch the name liberal and bear absolutely no resemblance to it.
gdb,
just can’t handle it, can you. Waaaaaanh!
Scott wins for the “intelligent” comments of the day. wink wink
No GBD, your trying to spin what he says out of context. Then he even goes on to say that he does check and deal with facts. Most people can clearly see what he says I think.
Gee, Glenn Beck is so “over the top” in his “acting” that I imagine that is the reason people watch… they might get to see him cry or even totally crack up… wouldn’t have to make much of a stretch to flip clear out.
JHazelwood wrote: “Republicans like watching a train wreck”
Nonsense. Republicans are on this train just like everybody else.
Actually, FNC is a free news channel. CNN and Fox Business are premiums. Almost every cable subscriber in the country has FNC.
I find it very interesting how someone can post a video clip claiming it says one thing when it clearly says something quite different? What’s up with that? I realize I have low IQ and all, but I really don’t get how someone can do that and think it’s going to stand as a valid argument?
I guess I’m going to have to go get Glenn’s book.
It really bothers me when I hear people call our President a socialist or a nazi. I suspect they don’t really know what the words mean. Socialism is an economic system, not really a political one. Under socialism the government runs some of the industry. Virtually every civilized country in the world is a mix of socialism and capitalism, with capitalism being the free enterprize system where individuals own business, etc.
The nazi party was socialist. National Socialist Party. The main reason we all think of them as so terrible isn’t because of their economic system, it was because they took over the government with force, made whole groups of people into scapegoats, murdered millions of innocient people, including children, the mentally ill, and just about anyone helpless and unable to defend themself.
Please remember that we are civilized, theoretically decent people who have ideas we want to share. Not a bunch of name-calling idiots. I don’t like Glenn Beck because he is so mean and childish in his delivery. The Acorn story was a fairly big story but could have been applied to any big corporation or group. The other stories Glenn Beck covers to death are really pitiful and most news stories don’t cover them for that very reason.
You conservatives would do well to read more articles, watch more news on different stations, and just actually listen to other people’s ideas once in awhile. Liberals do that. I watch all the news shows almost every night and read every viewpoint I can manage. I still don’t think I know everything. Try a little humbleness.
Dave M, be sure to check walmart for it, it was $10 cheaper there lol
Darla,
I don’t care too much for all the name calling and labels either. I have to ask though … do you really think Beck’s delivery is childish compared to Olbermann and Maddow? Just wondering?
Darla, your right! I need to watch more different news…
I need to watch more Chris Matthews so he can tell me I’m a racist because of the state I live in. Nevermind that my state voted for Obama.
I need to watch more Keith Olbermann, so he can tell me how stupid FNC is, then tell me his worse worser and worst people of the day, so he can also insult me every few minutes also calling me a racist. Not to mention he has all these people who have views different than him on… Oh thats the FNC 8pm show? well nevermind that last point then.
I need to watch more Rachael Maddow because she covers such major stories as some stupid almost extinct bird in some far off corner of the world, that makes no difference to said world, humping some reporter for a couple minutes. All the while she gives the most fake laugh I’ve ever heard. OH or Just before that story. She informed me that some NBA team tried to switch players at the free throw line. Wow the audacity of that! Where was the outrage, the MSM, where is the federal investigation? Nevermind that she likes to call me a racist also, with stories like what I just mentioned. And again her show is full of differing views… oh wait thats that other network, you know the one people actually seriously watch.
CNN? What a joke of a network. All anybody needs to do is look on youtube for their reactions to Chicago loosing out on the Olympics. It was pathetic, like they just got told Santa crashed coming to their house so they weren’t getting crap this year. Absolutely Pathetic.
Or maybe I’ll just catch those when I can to see when they change their ways and stick to a network that doesn’t insult me, doesn’t waste much if any time on really dumb stories, and that is full of opposing views, and views from both sides of major issues.
And Glenn Beck is mean spirited and childish? Silly and theatrical yes, mean and childish-far from it.
Anoth fact that I find interesting is that Glenn Beck has more books released just this year than MSNBC’s primtimers have ever written COMBINED.
jd,
So glad to hear someone mention that FOX is only available to people who purchase premium packages. In Arizona, on Dish Network, FOX is only included in the Gold package, the most expensive cable package (not talking about premium movie channels like HBO and Showtime). If you get the middle quality package, it’s not even in there, only the best package.
I’m not sure but think it is the same for Cox Cable and Direct TV. A friend in Washington state said it is the same there. If it is the case that across the country, on both cable and satellite, FOX is only available on premium packages, then it is amazing that they are competitive with these other stations that are available to any household with the lowest quality package of channels. What would happen if FOX were accessible across the board?
I like Glenn Beck, although I have to steel myself to get through his shows, as he is just too animated for my tastes. Having said that, I am grateful to him.
ct,
You need to check your facts, FNC is premium, it is not even available in the middle range package.
Maybe it is different in different parts of the country. Can you please provide links to program packages that include FOX in regular programming? Where I live, CNN, MSNBC, all of them are part of the cheap package, so everyone has access to them.
I’ve seriously been curious about this for a long time and have never followed up on it.
Yes, I think Glenn Beck is childish and mean. He tends to use very poor logic in his reasoning and ties some very loose strings together to make his points… I don’t really like MSNBC anymore nor CNN, to be honest. They all are very one-sided now. I wish they would just report the news, kind of like the BBC does (usually) without so much opinion.
I was thinking about journalism as a career for awhile, but after really looking at how much every journalist “spins” stories, I decided that I didn’t want to get into that field. I like the truth and there is precious little of it on any of the cable news networks…
However, having said that, I do think that Glenn Beck is brilliant in his spin. He is very good at what he does, which is to convince people that the republican ideas are correct and that President Obama is very bad. I honestly think Obama is the best president we’ve had in my lifetime and I am a rather old white woman with a college education, who is a published author. That doesn’t make me any more smart than anyone else about politics, or anything else, for that matter. It does make me old enough to have seen a lot of crap pass for politics.
I have the ‘basic’ cable package and it includes FNC. I’m in the Milwaukee, WI area. I thought is was included for everyone?. Perhaps Bill or Robert have some statistics from Nielsen.
I’ll see if I can find a link for my cable provider.
Robin, the post lists the coverage estimates (estimates of the number of homes each of the cable news networks is in) at the bottom. I have a fairly high confidence Nielsen gets these numbers pretty accurate based on information from both the cable and satellite companies as well as the networks themselves. Based on the numbers it looks like FNC is available on most of the basic cable packages (not the “broadcast network basic” which usually have all the local networks, PBS, and maybe CSPAN or CNN — and you’ll not CNN’s coverage is slightly higher than the other networks, and that FNC is in more homes than MSNBC)
cj,
well, is it just the regular FOX channel, like CBS and ABC? Everyone has THAT one, it is the cable channel FNC that is premium, at least in parts of the country.
So Darla please tell us why you think Obama is the best president in your lifetime? He’s only been in office what 9 months almost, and he has just recently eased up on the campaigning tour. Other than that and divide the country more than it previously was he hasn’t done much else.
But what you said its no suprise why you dislike somebody that is exposing the wrong doings of your favorite President.
Darla,
Fair enough.
For the record, Beck does not refer to himself as a journalist. He’s up from about being a political commentator. I suspect if folks disagree with a particular viewpoint that is delivered with sarcasm, they say it is childish and mean spirited. If they agree with the viewpoint, that same sarcastic delivery is witty, funny and entertaining.
Robin,
Below is the link to my cable line-up. FNC is in the ’standard’ package along with all the other cable news networks including MSNBC and CNN. There is a really ‘basic’ package that only has local stations and public access. It does not include FNC, but is does not include MSNBC or CNN either. None of the news networks are listed as ‘premium’
http://www.timewarnercable.com/customerservice/clu/Clu.ashx?CLUID=78&Image1=&Zip=
I think that Obama is actually sincere in his desire to help the people of this country. His health care ideas are really all very fair and don’t include any of the silly things FOX News and Sara Palin have stated… I’ve read the bill in the House, it is on line. It said that a living will would be paid by the health care plan (Almost everyone has had one of these, if they had a baby, surgery, or other major illness. All it does is make your wishes clear before the surgery, etc. I have signed them two times, once for a baby and once for my tonsils out when I was 25.) He is trying to make the insurance companies less greedy and give the people of America all health care.
Every other major country in the world has health care for all of their citizens. We are listed as number 29 in mortality, way down the list in infant mortality, and we pay way, way more than the next closest country for our medical care.
It is the insurance companies who are deciding who lives and dies. The president is trying to give people and their doctors the decision making power. I resent it that the Republicans are trying to stop the process because they hate Obama so much and are taking so much money from the insurance industry. This isn’t just an opinion, it is words from their own mouths and information available on line if you check.
I was very proud that we, as a country had grown to the point that a person’s skin color didn’t determine their worth. John MacCain and Sara Palin were simply not as good a ticket. Now, I am a bit ashamed of us as a country because so many people are acting like Glenn Beck, as if they really are truly racist. I don’t use that term lightly because I hate it and all it stands for. But, I “do” think Mr. Beck is a racist.
I also do, very much, think President Obama is doing his level best with terrible odds against him because of all the Republican backlash. I hope for our mutual country that he succeeds with at least some of his wonderful social programs. We need more kindness and helping hands, instead of sneering and greed. I’d bet you agree.
I looked up Dish Network’s programming package and …FNC is included in the regular package:
the Top 100 package is here: http://www.dishnetwork.com/packages/detail.aspx?pack=AT100
the Top 200 package is here:
http://www.dishnetwork.com/packages/detail.aspx?pack=AT200
and the Top 250 package is here:
http://www.dishnetwork.com/packages/detail.aspx?pack=AT250
This is only DISH, but it seems like the different providers like cable and Direct TV would have similar packages.
I am relieved to know that basic cable packages give access to FNC!!! Sorry to have been so wrong. There you go, it is easy to make mistakes and pass on bad information.
Darla,
I thought from your earlier posts you might be a left leaning centrist who wanted to have an intelligent debate. You lost me with the Glenn Beck is a racists comment. MSNBC infers that I’m a racist on a regular basis. It doesn’t matter that some of my best friends are minorities and that I consider myself ‘color blind’. Since I lean to the right … I must be a racist. Sadly, I’m starting to get used to it.
Gee, I didn’t call you a racist. I said that I think Glenn Beck is one. To me, a racist is someone who tries to hold someone back or treat them unfairly because of their ethnic origin, color, whatever. I consider myself to be a progressive moderate. I simply don’t like Glenn Beck. Sorry. I think he distorts the truth terribly.
Unless you are treating people based on their color, I would never consider you to be racist. I see Mr. Beck as someone who projects his own beliefs on others, in this case President Obama, when he said that Obama had a deep-seated hatred of white people, and was a racist.
I base this opinion on his other stated opinions and actions. It seems that everything Obama does or says, in Beck’s opinion, is either rediculously wrong or designed to harm white people somehow… Because of Beck’s relatively powerful position in news reporting or as a commendator, his actions are those of a person who seems racist, in a very sneaky, backhanded manner.
Oh, I just thought of a good example showing how FOX network distorts the truth: They are often complaining about all the “czars” in the Obama administration, implying that these positions are somehow illegal or maybe just in bad judgement and without oversight… Well, the use of czars began before the Reagan Administration, with President Bush having more czars than Obama does now… Also, no one in the administration actually calls them czars. FOX uses the term because it is a loaded term that conveys the feeling of communism, the Russian Revolution, etc. These people are actually advisors appointed by the President with titles like Human Resources Advisor or maybe Educational Funding Advisor. I, for one, am very glad that Obama uses as many advisors as possible before he makes decisions. He is very intelligent and I trust him to be ethical in his actions. I haven’t felt that way about a president since Eisenhower.
Darla,
We’ll just have to agree to disagree. I see no racism what so ever in Glenn where you see it clearly? I’ve just been told way too many times “If you are not for liberal policy X”, or if you agree with Beck, then you hate America and are a racist.
You seem like a very articulate person … I respect that. We just have VERY different views on the role of government in the lives of the American people.
Peace
Peace Dave, dear. That is that hard part about being in a Democracy: We have to not only agree to disagree but staunchly defend the other person’s right to believe as they do…
I love America and I am quite sure that you do also. We just disagree on our Mr. Beck.
Dave, I also think that we “are” the American government. Or, at least that is how it is susposed to be. The government isn’t our enemy, it is put in place by US to keep us militarily safe, to make reasonable laws to protect the public (like don’t murder or rape, etc., or maybe don’t raise interest rates to 30% for no reason, etc.)
I think Republicans tend to think that State’s Rights above Federal Laws should be the ideal. I just think we need some protection from some of the more greedy ummm…bastards out there. That is the role of government, along with maintaining an army, providing highways, disaster relief, etc.
It’s clear… look at the type of people who watch Beck and Fox News… they are clearly uneducated… 5PM? Yea, sorry, at 5PM I’m out working… at a job… like most hard working individuals who contribute to society. Put Beck on at 8PM and I guarentee that he isn’t #1.
Dear Darla,
Please resist the urge to keep explaining yourself. You seem very sweet but all you are doing is proving that you really don’t have a proper understanding of how things work. I too have been around awhile. I have learned that people that exhibit the naive and mistaken notions you do concerning politicians and government are the major reason we are in a world of trouble. You are much too gullible and trusting. There are millions like you that will continue to support program after program that ostensibly will solve this or that problem because some politician you like tells you it will. It won’t but you, and countless others, will continue to support the same “solutions” time after time with more and more of our freedom as a people being stripped away (along with our money) but you won’t realize it until it’s too late for all of us. It’s a shame because it doesn’t have to be that way.
Hey Doug Um…. Van Jones,ACORN,NEA. What part of that don’t you understand? Oh Doug we’re just getting started. Just think of those uneducated people destroying the Democrat Party. DRIP DRIP DRIP The worm keeps turning. LOL!!!! You don’t control the MEDIA anymore. Poor little Leftist Can’t stop free speech anymore. What will you do? We are just trying to push you Leftists over the edge. Just a little NUDGE. Isn’t this fun??? MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same Ask the Perverts in the Democrat party. Hey Whoopi is it still RAPE RAPE?
Will obama make it through 4 years? Things are looking a bit shaky. Can the MOB from Chicago save obama? MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRROIST all the same. Ask the LIAR obama.
Hey, Doug!
If you can tell me what logical fallacy you just committed in your comment you can prove that you’re educated enough to call others uneducated that watch Glen Beck.
Just out of curiosity, how can you know that people that watch Beck are uneducated unless you yourself have watched him? Wouldn’t that make you uneducated? Or are you making that judgement without having watched him and basing your observation on…let me guess, what others have told you? No that couldn’t be because that would be something an uneducated person would do.
I’m really anxious to read your reply unless you start calling me an idiot or whatever…but you wouldn’t do that because only uneducated people resort to insulting people. Oh wait, you already did that when you called people that watch Beck uneducated. So I guess you won’t be able to answer my initial question after all. Never mind.
Darla, you really want to start talking about Obama’s Czars? lol Since you don’t like, listen, or care what Glen Beck says, maybe just do yourself and us a favor and find out what Glen has to tell you about some of Obama’s czars.
I also love when people like Doug try and make about the dumbest argument you can make against Beck and his watchers. If Glenn Beck fans and conservatives are so dumb why does it seem we read more books? What are the top political books out right now? Glenn has more books out this year than MSNBC’s prime time people has had published EVER from the searches I’ve done.
Doug, is your problem genetic or environmental? Just who beats Beck at 8PM Olberman? As to progressives always claiming intellectual superiority “me thinks thou dost protest too much”.
By all the negative comments it’s easy to see that Glenn Beck really bothers the left. I think it’s great. The more you attack the better for the right. Beck’s numbers prove it. Maybe Glenn Beck is the “Hope and Change” Obama has spoken about! Don’t worry, there are many on the right that hate Beck also. It’s seems that the elected class really hates Beck. But the center loves him! And theres more of US than YOU !
WST
Have you heard about the website supposedly watchdogging Beck’s claims. I think it’s from the Obama administration. I heard about it, then went on the site, just briefly.
Unless a great many of Beck’s claims are false, this has got to be one of the stupidest strategic moves I have witnessed in a while. He misstated the name of a Canadian province, that was one error pointed out, and it was trivial, nitpicking, although it is good that someone pointed it out so Beck could clarify.
The problem this creates for the Dems is that if they can’t refute a majority of Beck’s claims (which he usually backs up on the show and presents in context), the intuitive implication will be that (since they are WATCHING) if a claim of Beck’s isn’t challenged, it is probably true. Because their purpose is to challenge untrue claims, and they are WATCHING the show, so if he says it, and it’s not true, they are going to expose it. They had better have a lot of his claims/info to challenge or they will effectively lend credibility to Beck.
If I were the administration, I would want to be able to claim ignorance. Oh, he said that? It isn’t true, but we don’t know about it to refute it! They have taken that away from themselves. How dumb can you get.
P.S. If I’m missing something, eg., misunderstanding the situation (with the professed Beck Watcher website), please let me know. And if you disagree, please tell me why you think this isn’t a strategy error, versus why I think this leaves the dems wide open.
gbd.
You truly show your ignorance when you type. You think it is the Conservatives who are selling everything to China.Thanks to Nobama, China owns us. Do you have a clue what is going on? It is your boy Nobama who continues to borrow the money for all his Liberal projects. So how is that 800 billion Stimulus Package going for ya. All the shovel ready projects? Remember how he said unemployment wouldn’t reach 8% if we passed it? Oops…
I wonder what kind of numbers Beck would get in Prime time. But who do you move? They have such a strong team in each hour.
Darla says:
October 3, 2009 at 8:59 pm
It really bothers me when I hear people call our President a socialist or a nazi. I suspect they don’t really know what the words mean. Socialism is an economic system, not really a political one. Under socialism the government runs some of the industry. Virtually every civilized country in the world is a mix of socialism and capitalism, with capitalism being the free enterprize system where individuals own business, etc.
The nazi party was socialist. National Socialist Party. The main reason we all think of them as so terrible isn’t because of their economic system, it was because they took over the government with force, made whole groups of people into scapegoats, murdered millions of innocient people, including children, the mentally ill, and just about anyone helpless and unable to defend themself.
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Well Darla, at least you got part of that right… they DID murder millions. But the fact is they DIDN’T “take over the governemnt”. Economic hard times due to the restraints imposed from the surrender in WW1 caused them severe hardships and along comes the Nazi party and claims “we’ll fix everything for you”. In the early years it was working for them, that was until they saw what was really going on.
Since you appear to be someone of some level of intellegence, let me see if you can answer correctly to the following quiz, “Name the Leader(s)”;
1) an advocate for strict gun control, desirous of universal health care, and continually extolling the virtues of state control.
2) The nation was in shambles. A previous leader had led the country into an unnecessary war, the economy was failing, and a sense of depression filled the air. Then, a new leader emerged. He was a powerful speaker, offering hope, change, and a fix to the economy. He wrote two books about his experiences and used his literary work to propel him to success. He was an open christian with some muslim friends. He called for unity and considered himself an advocate of peace. Some of his political opponents cast him as naive and inexperienced. He also had alot of radical ties, but the media, and ultimately the voters, were willing to overlook that.
If you answer correctly you win a prize! Or at the very least you’ll convince myself and others here… you’re not a “dumb blond”.
What I’d also like to know from you and others is this; if Fox News, Beck, Hannity and O’Reilly are so insignificant, filled with lies and hatred, inaccurate reporting of the news etc etc etc, and the other self proclaimed media are so “correct and true”, then WHY should any of you care? If something (or someone) truly IS as bad as you and others claim they are, why would you even waste the energy of thought on the matter. Most people just trun away and ignore it.
But after months of visiting this site and seeing the daily attacks on FNC, it just doesn’t make sense. Ask yourself… why would you care or even watch? This “FNC bashing” ONLY became predominate in the past year+ since Obama came into the spotlight. Before that, it was delegated to a SIMPLE ratings war like all media experiences daily.
Nowadays it’s boiled down to you support Obama and the liberals if you watch ANYONE other than FNC, and if you’re a FNC viewer/supporter you are a racist, a Nazi, a fear monger, Obama hater etc. The list has become endless now, they’re running out of descriptions. After viewing ALL media sources for the past 1 1/2 years, I’ve come to the conclusion that FNC is the ONLY source that actually CHALLENGES ANYONE regardless of their political or religious etc affinity. Whereas the other media outlets ONLY favors their own points of view.
Some of the other things you and others have brought up in your posts are just plain ridiculous and it makes my head hurt to read it. Everyone continually bashes FNC and their top figures for everything under the sun, yet I am STILL waiting for FACTUAL PROOF that ANYTHING they report is (in whole) untrue. And for your statements about Czars, you need to look up and reread your (correct) history my dear. It was Nixon who started with the Czar appointments and it was during his term in office that the title was coined. Explain to us please why Obama still has empty seats on his cabinet? Why the duties (in the advisory roles) have moved from the cabinet members which is where the advice is SUPPOSED to come from, to the Czar’s. Originally, the Czar’s position was that of “Oversight” over a particular field, cause, industry etc. Now under Obama, they advise on EVERYTHING and the cabinet members practically do nothing anymore.
Ask anyone from Chicago like me that have lived here all our lives and know what REALLY is going on and we will tell you, It was NOT a good idea or decision we made in November of 2008 and we have to live with it for 3 more years. But… you and others that come here and degrade the FNC viewers etc just only believe what you want to believe. And years from now you’ll all come back on these forums and claim “I never said or supported that, oh no, that wasn’t me”. Just like all the people that voted for Bush a second term.
When Kayne West shrieked “Bush hates White people” most sane people denounced that and saw him as a fool. That anyone could give legitimacy to Beck after whining “Obama hates White people” explains all one needs to know about Fox and where the radical right wing is now. The man is bi-racial. What a joke. Keep Beck on, please! He is doing to the right what the hippies did to the left in the 60’s.
GBD, do you know the reasoning behind what Beck said? Obama said to judge him on his actions, words, the people he surrounded himself with. Well guess what, he has said some racially controversial things, and he has some racially controversial people around him. So Beck is just doing what Obama said.
Kanye West had no reasoning or logic for what he said, so its easy to dismiss him. Glenn Beck has shown us good reasoning and logic for what he has said, not so easy to dismiss.
The left keeps calling BECK a JOKE. But everything the guy touches yields results. ACORN, NEA, Van Jones etc ….not bad for a Joke huh?
Kanye West is alive and , still entitled to his opinion and grabbing microphones from stunned award winners. In off-topic news, Kanye’s “Fame Kills” tour went south and died.
Guys! Guys!
You can’t argue with someone like GBD! Facts, logic, and common sense are meaningless to someone who believes what he believes because he believes it. You’re wasting your time. However, you are supplying information to those of us that actually try to evaluate issues based on knowledge and not emotion. So it’s not an entirely wasted effort.
Charlie:
Do you not realize that no one, NO one, knows another’s intent? Attack like these are empty substantively and are last resorts for those that have no legitimate subject to offer for debate. Just as you can’t prove Obama hates white people, I can’t prove he does. Such remarks are foolish and incendiary and the double standard you apply speaks volumes.
I’m sorry but you seem so angry, perhaps a byproduct of delusion or denial? Your life must be a misery. Turn off the TV. Get outside. Laugh once in a while. The world is not coming to an end. It’s going to be ok contrary to what Fox would have you believe.
AppleStinx:
I think Kanye’s tour should have been cancelled. What he did was deplorable.
Flintsone:
Your SN seems appropriate as you seem to be living in the stone age. I’ve presented facts. That didn’t seem to sink through. Soooo? I offered words from the Becksters own mouth. Like the song says, “Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt.” One can argue with me. I welcome it albeit without emotion and specious childlike rhetoric which seems to be all the radcial right has to offer right now. THAT and fear. Must be a nice world to inahabit constantly worried the sky is falling. I truly feel sorry for you.
Hey gbd the hippies from the 60s are in charge now. What facts have you presented? You are the reason Beck wrote the book (Arguing with IDIOTS). I don’t think you get it yet? IT’S OVER!!!! The Old Leftist Fringe Media can’t spike stories anymore. WE THE PEOPLE are exposing all the fraud in the country. If you don’t get out of our way we will run you over. WE THE PEOPLE have the power now. GET OUT OF OUR WAY!!!! Don’t get PARANOID on us but we have cameras everywhere. We are trying to push you over the edge. Just a little NUDGE. gbd you having fun yet? MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same ask the dying Democrat party.
gbd says:
October 3, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Which party passed the Patriot Act? (The Dems and Repubs 98-1 vote.)
Which party approved warrantless wire tapping on Americans? ( again, dems and repubs. All wiretaps need a warrant, they are just not done in a public court. Also, the warrants are for OVERSEAS calls, which the US government has no need to ensure the rights of foreigners in a foreign country calling the US. Also, warrants are issued for calls to KNOWN terror cells or locations. Their has not been 1, repeat 1 case of abuse of a private US citizen in regards to all aspects of the patriot act in 8 years. So who’s rights are being infringed upon?)
Which party renamed torture “enhanced interrogation techniques which violates the Geneva convention? (And enhanced interrogations, in the 3 cases that they were used, WORKED. Go read the latest memos that have been released. Also, I had to sign an agreement to the Geneva Convention when I was in the Military, go and read the actual Conventions. NOWHERE does it state that illegal enemy combatants receive any rights, other than a drum head trial and immediate execution if found guilty. Study your history and see why white sheets hung from captured German buildings during WW2, and also see what happened if the Allies were attacked from these buildings.)
Which party’s president had a shoe thrown at him by a member of the country we were supposed to be greeted as liberators? (A reporter who is a Shiite, and pro Iranian threw the shoe. Are you really surprised?)
Conservatives today won’t be happy until we’ve sold everything we have to China and have given away all our freedoms to the Government in nightly wrapped phrases like the Patriot Act. (umm, the dems (with super majorities in the house and senate)are in control and its the Obama admin spending you into the poor house. If they were SO upset by Bushes spending, why did they approve money and pending budgets that total more than all previous 43 presidents in 233 years of spending? Also, since 2006 the dems have written all spending bills)
To assume people hate Glen Beck because he is “right” is specious. Maybe people do not care for him because so many are fooled by his hate mongering rhetoric masquerading as morality and common sense (Both you and the White House have never come up with anything that he was wrong about, and I don’t mean nitpicking his use of the wrong Canadian city about overspending on the Olympics. Name 1 main fact he got wrong about Jones, SEIU, ACORN, Sunsteen, Holdren, Obamas associations with Ayers, Ayers Brother, Ayers co-founder of the weather underground, Apollo Alliance, Tides foundation…etc. etc. etc.) . Glen Beck or whatever his real name is is the Jerry Springer of Fox News and the people that watch Springer are one in the same. (ummm, Jerry Springer is a far left dem who brought that crap to the public airwaves. Also, isn’t springers audience mostly black, and didn’t 95% of blacks vote for Obama, and aren’t 80% of blacks registered as dems?) White trash. (yes, you are white trash.) (one other point about Obamas “massive electoral win with 53% of the vote”. Do the math, if only 68% of eligible voters actually voted, and he received 53% of THAT vote, then only 35% of all eligible voters voted for Obama. Not a vast majority of the US electorate. Finally, before you call me an uneducated right wing extremist, I have a PHD in Philosophy, A Masters in History, Military History, and Global Strategic Studies, Two Technical Degrees, one in electronics and computer control systems, one in weapons specialization and computer control systems, a BA in political science, and a BSC in mechanical engineering. Just think, I paid for all this on my own, except for what the Military provided to me. I didn’t need a handout or bailout from the government)
GBD, so now you want to start the insults I see.
“Attack like these are empty substantively and are last resorts for those that have no legitimate subject to offer for debate”
So you then proceed to attack Flinstone and I? And you want to be taken seriously?
Empty Substantively?
His book is full on racially controversial lines. He has made remarks along the lines of “typical white person”. He sat in a church and listened to racist preacher for how many years? He has/had racist czars. He made racially controversial remarks concerning his black friend being arrested by white a white officer. I’m sure there are other things I’m leaving out at the moment.
GBD let me ask you, giving you the benefit of the doubt that your not racist: Would you sit in a church for 20 years that was lead by a racist preacher spewing racsist sermons? Would you have racist people as advisers to you?
I don’t know about you but I tend to shy away from things that I don’t agree with, especially when it comes to such things as race and racism.
GBD,
Wow! Did you forget to take your meds? Tell you what, if you can identify all the logical fallacies you just committed in your tirade I’ll concede you have the werewithal to participate in a “mature” debate. By the way, vitriolic invective is not a legitimate form of argumentation.
I like Charlie.
So now Beck is the leader of the MSM?
No Fred WE are the New Mainstream Media. We still have a few Czars we need to vet. Did you hear about Kevin Pervert Jennings? He’s the new Safe Schools Czar. He’s friends with NAMBLA The National Man Boy Love Assosiation. Isn’t it great? He likes little boys. MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same Ask the Perverts in the Whitehouse.
Shane2813;
Marxist=Democrats=Terrorists? That has to be the funniest thing I’ve ever read here. Thanks for the laugh. How do you sleep at night?
Charlie:
I didn’t start the insults. Apparently your are insulted by logic.
As far as sitting in a Church with the Rev? With what he had to endure as a black youth in the 50’s. He might be a little angry. Doncha think? I’ll forgive him and pray for you.
EH2zed:
There have been several references here that illustrate Beck’s missteps and lies. Even from his own mouth for that matter. That there are those here that do not want or are unable to see them seems to be a dilemma. Your sophomoric diatribe is full of so many contradcitions and errors that you fail to make any point. You contradict yourself. I’m sure a class or three at your local community college if you can get accepted would help with your comprehension and organizational skills. Good Luck with THAT. Since the frothing rabid neo cons here seem so intent on empty debate adn only appear to want to have the last word I’ll allow you what you want. Thanks for playing. Carry on.
My goodness, it seems that we are all a bit testy, doesn’t it.
I can’t remember who corrected me about the Nazi party “forcefully taking over Germany,” but I do, in fact, realize exactly what happened and I stand by my comment. You see, rational people argue and even scream at each other, they don’t hit each other over the head, shoot each other, or destroy property.
In Germany after WWI, yes the country was in very bad shape. They had to pay reparations to the rest of the world, they were starving. I know people who lived there at the time. Hitler was a soldier in WWI and he thought that the High Command had basically sold the country down the river. He used his hatred of both the loss of “face” Germany endured and his almost paranoid hatred of the Jews to create an enemy within the country: Jews, Communists, Homosexuals, anyone who wasn’t aryan. Oddly enough, Hitler was not Aryan nor were most of those Germans, but the people were looking desperately for hope, help, and a way to regain their own self-esteem.
When I say Hitler took over Germany by force, I mean that he started by just calling people names and then his co-horts began actually beating up people who disagreed. Soon they were smashing in windows, killing pets, making people wear arm bands if they were Jews, etc. This is taking over by force.
I hate to see people get so angry and so “led” by anyone who is spewing hate. Unfortunately, I see Glenn Beck as such a person.
I have a degree in psych, I have read literally hundreds of books about Germany, Hitler, and the Third Reich, I am a Christian and believe that we should all act like we are each other’s brothers and sisters no matter what religion we subscribe to or the color of our skin. I have also done a major study of anthropology and realize that we are, in fact, all each other’s rather close relatives. I am a published author and have extensively read regarding propaganda, the media and how people are influenced by media.
All I ask is that you all at least try and listen to other’s opinions. This is a Democracy. That is the American way and I am not in the least simplistic or niave. If anything I am a bit jaded. I’ve seen wonderful people debase themselves, prostitute themselves, and commit crimes so they could feed their children. I’ve seen governments commit crimes against humanity that make any civilized person ill. I am, however, ever open to the concept that we, as a people, might do the right thing. I honestly think Obama is trying. I’ll give him that and that is a lot.
Let’s see…I am trying to remember the last number one book written from a liberal point of view. I really don’t remember one recently, but if there is one,two or more what kind of numbers did it/they put up against Beck, O’Reilly, Malkin, Levin, etc. I guess it was all libs buying their books to make them climb the charts since only liberals read… well only libs other than me. I’ve read em all.
Have you?
All,
Just keep in mind … gbd says he deals only in logic and facts. I implore everyone to check his video ‘fact’ from the View (one of his earlier posts above) and the logic he uses to make his point.
Listen closely to what is said in the video, and who says it. Then read what gbd claims is said and by whom. Fact or spin?
gbd reports … you decide!
GBD,
Do you know what a diatribe is? I don’t think so. Eh27ed presented a reasoned and thoughtful point by point rebuttal to your rather weak arguments. If anyone is engaging in diatribes you are. By the way, do you have some congenital condition that precludes any hope that you might converse without insulting the other party?
I must admit I’m a little hurt. It seems you are ignoring me or haven’t you had time yet to look up the definitions of vitriolic and invective? I know you can’t spot the logical fallacies you committed and continue to commit. You pretty much have to be familiar with logic to spot logical fallacies. Don’t worry about it. Psuedo-intellectuals always have problems with logic…I’m sorry, now you’ll have to spend an hour looking up “psuedo”.
Some of you may have noticed that I am not actually entering into any substantive arguments with GBD or anyone else. I’m just amusing myself with GBD because he’s so easy. I apologize if I’m annoying everyone with my needling him. I also apologize for being a hyupocrite by insulting him. Just don’t tell him I am. I don’t think he’s figured it out yet. I know…I know…I just can’t help myself.
Did the Perverted Whitehouse fire Kevin Pervert Jennings yet? His friends Love to have sex with little boys. Imagine that putting a Pervert in charge of our little kids. He’s the Safe Schools Czar???? Can’t make this stuff up. UNFRECKIN BELIEVABLE!!! He could hang out with David Letterman and Roman Polanski. Just when you thought you’ve seen it all. MARXIST=DEMOCRATS=TERRORIST All the same. The vetting continues.
GBD…
Kanye West didn’t say Bush didn’t like White People… um he said Bush didn’t like Black People.
Numerous people have been asking you to give one example of a Beck Lie…and after reading all your lame rambeling posts you still haven’t given one. The video from the view is a joke because you misrepresent what he said, because you don’t seem to watch or refuse to acknowledge the entire statement he made.
I just think Beck scares the crap out of you because of all he has brought to the table, and the success he has made aginst Acorn, Van Jones etc. I think you also realize he has just touched the tip of the iceberg.
Keep moaning… Beck isn’t going anywhere but up… if FOX was smart he would get a prime time spot!
GBD…
you wrote:There have been several references here that illustrate Beck’s missteps and lies. Even from his own mouth for that matter.
Did you read what you wrote there?? lol… yes I agree there have been several statements from idiots like you that he has lied… just no facts that back those statements up. See … I can accuse you of being a liar… and I am accurate… because you have not proved your case against Beck with one fact… and by making an accusation against someone not based in fact is not only slander it’s a lie. How does it feel to be a worthless liar gbd??
He said that no other President had never been sworn into office without a Bible. He said he ‘checked’.
He either did not check or checked up his arsegraped butt because he’s lying. John Qunicy Adams used a law book. Franklin Pierce didn’t even swear. He affirmed. Teddy Roosevelt used no Bible. Several Presidents kissed a Bible but did not swear on one.
Glenn Beck lied when he said recently that $1.4 million of stimulus momey was used to repair a door at Dyess AFB. The doors repaired were aircraft hangar doors and the cost was not $1.4 million.
The cost was $246000 out of $1.4 million in repairs funding.
Of course, we all know about him being called out as a liar by Whoopi and Barbara Walters.
I only did a few minutes’ reserach, as I said…but it’s quite clear that Beck is exposed as a liar.
My favourite though, is Beck going on about how compassionate he’d become after being failed by the expensive private health system last year when he got his dangling arsegrapes removed, said he was all suicidal…boo hoo…and only a couple of weeks ago screamed like an effete banshee at a woman on his radio show.
Edit: I was having such fun looking at what a liar Glenn Beck is I thought I’d find some more:
In June Beck lied when he said that the US was the ONLY country that had a natural birthright provision. Here is the list of other countries that do:
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/learn/…
Glenn Beck lied when he said that the director of White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, “has proposed forcing abortions and putting sterilants in the drinking water to control population.”
This one is so good I’ll just give you the link:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/…
Hey, if I find any more I’ll let you know. I’ll bet there are PLENTY. I don’t give a (insert your own word here) if the guy is passionate, he has a responsibility to check facts and make sure that the information he is disseminating is not poisoning people’s minds. Look at the goofballs who think he’s a Stay-Puft saint. The guy is a screaming ******* nutcase.
Hey, I think you could teach Beck a few things on how to ‘twist and spin’. He’s an amateur compared to you. Problem is, spin doesn’t go to far in changing the hearts and minds of people …
Hi Darla,
It appears that you have garnered quite a bit of attention, no doubt because of your calm and firm opposition to what is perceived as followers of Beck. Please don’t mislead yourself into believing that those who watch Beck are the the unthinking, illogical, trailer trash, Jerry Springer spinoffs that many on this forum claim.
Personally, I have been e-mailing and calling my representatives, Fox News, ABC, NBC, CBS, and the past and current administrations for almost two years about several issues that deeply concerned me. I was concerned that special interest organizations, specifically ACORN, were the source of deep corruption in our government. I specifically requested that ACORN be investigated as soon as my research told me early last year what they were doing with mortgage lenders and elections. In addition, I requested that funding be cut off as early as July of last year. A more recent concern has been the addition of non-sanctioned officials to the administration who have a background that is clearly not pro-American. The concern is not that “czars” exist, but rather who they are.
The only person who really addressed these concerns was Glenn Beck. Whatever his methods, he has certainly been effective, and for that I and the whole nation should be grateful. Disagree with the histrionics all you will, but thank goodness for the results.
I see that GBD is easing up on insulting everyone and actually giving some evidence to support his positions. That’s how it’s done. GBD has set the stage so that you can pick apart each other’s arguments without picking apart each other. Way to go GBD. As long as you adhere to this formula you’ll garner the respect of the others even if they disagree with you. As for me, I’ll quit picking on you.
Flinstone: You have my sincerest apologies and utmost respect.
GBD,
I asked for no apology but it is warmly and sincerely accepted. I believe YOU have now earned everyone’s respect including my own. I won’t be returning to this forum. So good luck to you GBD it was fun.
Anybody else notice that the two links GBD posted DON’T go where he said?
As far as his other “lies”. So what, he was wrong about money spent on a door? The 1.4 million was given to the place in question, so a mistake yes. Not quite a blatant lie. Also the bible deal? Again so what. Furthermore I watch Glenn everyday on FNC, and haven’t seen or heard any of these reported lies. Maybe I missed them or wasn’t paying attenion. But to miss this many?
As far as him screaming at the far left loon that called his radio show. Did you actually listen to that audio? The woman is not that much unlike GBD and many others. She had NEVER listened to Glenn Beck. She probably got her complaint from some leftiest source. It was very unprofesional of Glenn, he even said that. But look at all these attacks from people like Olberman, GBD, and all the left loons. They try to tear him down. They attack him, nitpick little things he says that aren’t fully true, claiming them to be oh such dangerous hate spreading, fear mongering, ractist lies. Again what about anything he has said about the Czars? I know GBD tried to post a link to something, but Glenn has shown the very words and quotes that Sciencs Czar has made. So again I’m only assuming that was left wing spin.
Why do people even give Glenn any attention if all he does is such BS in their opinions? Maybe its because alot of what Glenn says makes sense, he has good reasoning and logic for what he says, and people want to hear what he says. END OF DISCUSSION!
not literally the end as I expect a full rebuttal from somebody, but its actualyl getting boring to come here and disprove the leftie’s anti Beck and FNC in spin.
Flintstone don’t leave! Your my only out of the closet fan…
Good to see Blaffie still around, always a good voice of reason. I only wish I could state what my thoughts as well as Blaffie.
Dear Blaffie, I wish that the viewers of Glenn Beck were idiots. It is my sincere fear that the viewers are normal, nice people who are being led by a very skilled Pied Piper, in Thomas Paine’s clothing.
I am also concerned about ACORN. I think they were originally a good idea/program, started for the best reasons: helping poor people get housing and registering people to vote. Unfortunately, some of the best of intentions get side tracked and end up with corruption. I think this is what has happened at ACORN. Congress has cut funding and I think that is appropriate.
The czars, in and of themselves, are advisors. I object to the term simply because it is loaded with many bad associations. I hope that President Obama is as smart as he seems and can tell the difference between good and bad advice… Many very good men and women have been led astray by not so good advice from seemingly honest people.
I think Glenn Beck is a “true believer” in the literal sense of the phrase. He would be a devout Catholic, Mormon, Jew, Buddist, whatever he happens to be at the time. He would also be a staunch Republican, Democrat, liberal, conservative, whatever. He has a personality that is prone to hysterics. People tend to be attracted to that kind of person because they are charismatic and quite visable.
Charlie … I’ll step up and be your fan
Hello Charlie,
Good to see you holding down the fort. I’ve been on vacation. We saw several re-enactments at Williamsburg. I was struck by how similar the “revolutionaries” were to our recent town hall participants. For those who have never participated in the goings-on at Old Williamsburg, I highly recommend it. Kinda puts discussions like ours on this forum into perspective.
And you do a great job of communicating your arguments. Keep it up.
Charlie,
All right, I haven’t left just yet. I have to know what exactly do you mean by “out of the closet”? Blaffie knows how to present his thoughts exceedingly well.
Flintstong, LOL I meant your the only one that has ever said “I like Charlie”. Not the way it could have also been taken, sorry for that. “I calibrated my words poorly” (to use a line of Obama’s).
Blaffie, I went to Ghettysburg for part of my vacation this summer. Its been years since I went to Williamsburg. I really want to go back, no real excuse either other than time and money. Its not even that far away.
Dave M, THANKS! lol, starting to get my own fan club going. There is a small joining fee. I’ll let you know what that fee is once I figure up how much screening in my small back porch will cost me. I’m doing it all myself so that’ll save us on the labor. lol
Flintstone, my bad not Flintstong. But you knew who I was aiming that at.
@Darla:
My underlying point was that I was concerned about those issues long before I knew Glenn Beck existed. He joined FNC this Spring, long after my first communications on the subject matter. I believe that there are many Americans like myself who have developed these concerns without having been led by someone like Glenn Beck. He happened to be the one with the most effective response, which certainly helps to explain his popularity (and notoriety).
Charlie,
Yes I did. I also knew what you meant by the “out of the closet”. I couldn’t resist making a cheap joke. This is because I possess an infantile sense of humor. Having said that, I am going to leave this forum happy in the knowledge that Dave M will be heading your fan club. You see,I just plant the seeds and then I move on. I bid you adieu my friends!
Jon Martinez
I’m curious Jon, what is your species? It’s obviously not human…
Dear Blaffie, I appreciate your thoughtful responses. I would like to know what bothered you about ACORN in the beginning, before Beck. I knew little about them until last year and maybe there is much I need to learn.
I think that health care, the war in Afghanistan, and our own economy are the main issues today for the United States. The stuff about ACORN, the czars, Van Jones, etc. are side issues that are important but not nearly as pressing as the other three listed above.
I don’t want Mr. Beck to distract people so much by harping on ACORN or the czars that we loose sight of the economy and health care. To me, both of those issues are no-brainers. Of course everyone should have decent health care and it should be between people and their doctors. I’m not sure what function the insurance companies really provide. In other words, why don’t we just go with a single payer program where we all have our own doctors and the bills get paid through taxes. No waiting lines, no death panels, no bills, just normal taxes……… I know it will never happen, because too many people want to make sure everyone pays their own way. I just really wish all our children, parents, spouses, and even ourselves could breathe a sigh of great relief knowing that we wouldn’t go bankrupt if we have a heart attack, cancer, get into an accident, etc. and end up with thousands of dollars in medical.
I don’t want Glenn Beck throwing a monkey wrench into the works when 4 of the bills have already been written and ready and the Finance Committee is dragging their feet because the handwriting is on the wall: Insurance companies are becoming passe. They will have to say goodbye to their $460 billion in profits that they earn each year by turning down claims and basically sentencing sick people to death or years of pain. So many presidents have tried to pass health care reform. I want this one to succeed for all of us and our children and grandchildren.
Oh, one more thing about health care: My neice is about 55-yrs-old. She has great insurance as her husband works for the federal government (air traffic control). She needs an operation that will total about $300,000. The operation is covered by the insurance just fine, but her co-pay is 20%. That means they will have to come up with $60,000 to pay for the operation. That is more than a bit steep.
Many, many hard-working, honest Americans are in a situation like this. They have done everything right but the insurance companies have raised costs so high (as have the doctors/hospitals) that very few middle class families can afford to pay their bills, even with insurance.
This is the looming disaster. Yes there are 40 million without coverage but most of them can get emergency care free if they really have to.(No preventative care, mind you, but when it becomes an emergency its there.)It is the vast majority of us who have insurance and think we are doing okay until something happens and we end up emptying the savings account to zip paying doctor bills after the insurance has done their part.
Darla, despite what the lefties want you to think virtually NOBODY is saying we don’t need Health Care Reform. Costs prices and availability have to be brought down. But starting down the slippery slope of government options, single payer, socialied medicine is not the answer, and most Americans feel that way according to the polls.
@Darla:
Remember last year when we first started hearing about how some of our financial institutions were getting themselves into difficulty by carrying a high percentage of sub-prime loans? That’s when I started doing some research into why things had changed from when I saved up and put down 20% for my first home. To avoid a long narrative about how I used the congressional record to tell me the story, let me just say it became obvious what drove us into the situation. My best source of information was the record of bills passed and, just as importantly, those not passed. It seemed to start with the Community Re-Investment Act in the late 70’s, followed by legislation in 1993 that essentially allowed loan institutions to loan money to people who added no equity to the financing, and whose income was questionable. Lending institutions were driven into bad decisions by the easy money and pressures from Congress and special interests. The name ACORN popped up. I called a friend who works in community restoration/affordable housing projects and asked if she had done any work with ACORN. I got a resounding NOT ANY MORE, accompanied by anecdotal information. That’s when I started writing my representatives, et al, about them, begging them not to let groups like ACORN and the greedy lending institutions to foreclose property, buy it up for a song, then re-sale it for exorbitant profit. How naive was that? Little did I know then how far the tentacles stretched.
As for health care reform, the major holdup is not right wingers. They have ideas that will work, but the MSM will not broadcast them and the extreme left will not entertain any of the ideas. Besides, the right wing vote isn’t needed to pass legislation. The roadblock is actually a mistrust held by the people based on history. If the administration would listen to the people, the health insurance reform we all want might actually happen.
Darla,
Just a couple of comments.
1) I don’t think one can separate the issue of czars from the ‘important’ issues of the economy, healthcare, etc. The czars (or whatever you want to call them) are helping write legislation and form policy in these important areas … frankly, some of them are down right radical.
2) Having taxes pay for health care might sound good to some on the surface (it doesn’t to me), but I think it would bankrupt this country! When a service becomes ‘free’ to use, it also ALWAYS becomes very wasteful and expensive. People are not forced to make choices, doctors can run as many tests as they want (defensive medicine), there is no incentive for people to shop for the lowest cost alternatives and no incentive for health care providers to offer them. Consumers will want the most expensive procedures, the most expensive medicines, etc. even if there is little additional value. Why not … its ‘free’!
I watched C-SPAN on some of the days the were debating and considering amendments to the health care legislation. It was just infuriating to watch what was going on. Republicans offered amendment after amendment. Obama said the bill would not pay for illegal immigrants … an amendment was offered to make this clear and was DENIED along party lines. Obama said the bill would not use public funds for abortions … an amendment was offered to make this clear, in plain simple English. It was DENIED. Obama said he was for torte reform. An amendment was offered; DENIED! Obama said he wants to foster competition. An amendment was offered to allow competition across state lines; DENIED. This went on for hours. The Democrats became very patronizing and really did not give any amendment serious consideration. Granted, a few of the amendments were out there, but many were very reasonable. It became clear the democrats wanted to leave the language vague; that way they could fight it out in court later.
My guess is the Dems are going to push something through with the nuclear option. They will then say they had no choice because the republicans were only interested in obstruction and defeating the bill.
I’m not saying the Dems are the only ones acting in a partisan fashion … but what I saw was one of the most disappointing displays of partisan politics that I could ever imagine.
You mentioned that ‘crazy talk’ about death panels, etc. above. It doesn’t surprise me when Republicans say these things after trying to clarify the language and having the Democrats constantly vote them down.
still @Darla: Also, THE most important issue is actually campaign reform. Our current system of electioneering and law-making is governed by monetary contributions. All decisions made by our government, including some very important ones like going to war or not, are impacted more by special interests than by “the people”.
Solution: Allow campaign contributions to come only from constituents. Cap the amounts. Or allow campaigns to be paid for only from equitable public funding. Outlaw lobbying. What do you think the chances are of getting ANY of our representatives to do that? There are a few, including a former presidential candidate, who say they are willing to do this.
I would love to see campaign reform. The amount of money spent on these campaigns is criminal, we could pay for 1/2 the health care budget with money spent on lobby/campaigns.
I’ve talked with people from Canada, England, France, and Switzerland about their health care systems. They have some complaints about having to wait for elective surgeries and maybe the usual grouching about the doctor not finding something the should have…but mainly, their systems work pretty darn well. It is sort of like having the whole country on Medicare instead of just retired people.
I think that ACORN is less to blame about the mortgage mess than the banks. The legislation that encouraged banks to loan to the subprime market was good in theory, not so good in fact. It wasn’t ACORN that made that legislation, they just used it. The banks realized that they could write subprime mortgages, then sell the mortgage to Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac and basically whipe the bad mortgage off their books, while pocketing millions of dollars in fees.
The ACORN registeration scam was dirty and unfortunate but no one actually voted illegally because all those Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, and Daniel Boones would have had to show up and give ID to vote. It was fraud against ACORN, not the American people. ACORN had to pay the workers wages who were making up all those fake registerations until they figured it all out. The story was one about fraud against ACORN not corruption within ACORN,
The young people who dressed up like a hooker and her pimp were so very silly looking that I’m surprised anyone believed them in the first place, but they certainly exposed those two women workers as sleezy and dishonest. They were fired as was appropriate. I doubt that is “business as ususal” at ACORN… Maybe we need some more experienced and believable sting operations done by police or detectives to find out the extent of the corruption. I’d like to see it.
What I would really like to know is what you lovely people think about the electoral college? I hate it and think it should just be popular vote. Any thoughts? What has Mr. Beck said about that, if anything?
Darla,
I’m for popular vote. Media can not broadcast any voting tallies, exit polls, or predict winners until all polls are closed. Don’t know what Beck says?
Darla says:
October 4, 2009 at 10:25 pm
What I would really like to know is what you lovely people think about the electoral college? I hate it and think it should just be popular vote. Any thoughts? What has Mr. Beck said about that, if anything?
Darla, the electoral college was instituted for a VERY good reason. It prevented a politician from only campaigning in the most populace states and ignoring the smaller population bases, thereby winning the popular vote. Do you realize that a president would only have to win roughly 7 or 8 states to become president without the electoral college, whereas, with the college a president has to win roughly 25 or 26 states to win an election. One of the key reasons for the electoral college is that the United States of America is a republic and that ALL states shall be treated and represented equally. That is why congress is based on population for each district (write the law) and varies in numbers from state to state, but the Senate is only 2 members from each state. (pay for said law and give each state EQUAL say in the law).
P.S. Glenn Beck agrees with the electoral college for the reasons stated above. Work out the combination’s of population and you will find that a president could be elected by winning with 65% of the vote in as few as 4 states, where he splits or loses by 1% in the remaining 46 states. You really do not want that to happen. The college was specifically designed to prevent such an occurrence.
I personally believe in a popular vote if it is truly secret ballot.
I believe that Glenn Beck called the 2008 election a coup d’etat.
Good night all.
I have not studied this much, but I thought that the number of electoral votes a state get is proportional to its population?
If that is true (and again, I don’t know if it is), then it seems that anything that can happen in popular vote, could also happen in the electoral college?
What bothers me in the electoral college is that (at least in some states) all the electoral votes go to the winner of the state rather than dividing them proportionally according to popular vote.
It seems to me that this will only exacerbate the possibility of a disparate outcome.
Again, I am admittedly very week in this area … I may change my opinion as I become more educated. To those who understand it better, please tell me where I’m wrong. (Hey, that sounds like what Beck says all the time … “tell me where I’m wrong”. Maybe I watch him too much).
@Eh2Zed: Good description. However, it would be interesting to see what the impact of a popular vote would have been on population distribution. It is, of course, under present population distribution, not a good idea. Can you imagine all our elections being determined by California, New York, and Illinois?
Still, the independent spirit in me says a popular vote would be more credible.
Good night again.
I see that I need to read up on the electoral college. Thank you all for your comments and good night.
gbd says:
October 4, 2009 at 2:56 pm
EH2zed:
There have been several references here that illustrate Beck’s missteps and lies (First, Beck has NEVER claimed he is a journalist, he has ALWAYS stated he is a commentator. he has a 3 person research staff, which was expanded to 8 when he started nailing the Obama admin, compared to, oh, lets see, the NYT who have over 200 researchers and fact checkers, or CBS who has over 400. Second, You still haven’t named one instance where he was wrong about the above named people, groups, organizations in my previous response to your warped posting). Even from his own mouth for that matter (He, if you ever actually watched his show even ONCE, states that he sometimes may be off or wrong and insists his viewers go out and find out the truth for themselves and not to take what he says as the gospel truth). That there are those here that do not want or are unable to see them seems to be a dilemma (I ignore Beck when he is wrong on the minor matters, such as confusing Calgary and Vancouver, but, he HASN’T been wrong yet about the MAJOR issues in regards to the Obama admin, and the Obama admin HAS NOT POINTED OUT ANY FALSEHOODS in his major claims about them). Your sophomoric diatribe is full of so many contradcitions and errors that you fail to make any point (It was YOUR sophomoric (or should I say moronic) statements that were full of contradictions and errors without any point but bashing conservatives, but PLEASE, show me in my response where I was wrong? Where?). You contradict yourself (Again, WHERE?). I’m sure a class or three at your local community college if you can get accepted would help with your comprehension and organizational skills ( At the age of 10, my IQ was tested at 167. By age 12 I was writing about Nuclear non-proliferation and the MAD theory of Nuclear Deterrence. By the age of 13, I was reading and comprehending at a PHD level while just finishing high school.At 18, I graduated in the top 2% of my grad class from the University of Alberta with 2 dgrees. At 21, I finished number 3 from Royal Military College when I was in the Military, and I graduated top of my class when I went for my degree in Military History and Global Strategic Studies, Canadian Command College Kingston and West Point). Good Luck with THAT. Since the frothing rabid neo cons (do you even know what neo-con means? From the conservative responses on this site, I think you should be calling these people, true down in the dirt, old school conservatives and constitutionalists. Not neo-cons) here seem so intent on empty debate adn only appear to want to have the last word I’ll allow you what you want (I wouldn’t take away your fun of empty debate, and I will let you have the last word, since they so aptly fit what I would like to express to you.). Thanks for playing. Carry on.
I’d be cautious concerning Darla. She’s not what she purports to be. There is an insidious element to her routine of the little old lady that’s just trying to be reasonable while she twists virtually everything around. She is chock full of misinformation but it’s always only slightly off. She’s playing mind games with people. For example, earlier in the day at one point Darla calls Glen Beck a racist and at another time likens him to a hate spewing Nazi leading people (presumably those who like him) down a path of destruction. When called to task she flutters her eyes and says “I didn’t say you were a racist…” Well, no she didn’t say that a specific person was a racist, she just implied that anyone who listens to Beck, and heaven forbid, agrees with him is a racist and probably a latent Nazi just waiting to be given marching orders by Beck.
She almost had me fooled until I decided to read all her entries today and saw the disengenuous pattern in her philosophy. She denounces hate while saying hateful things. But she says them in such a nice way!
Carry on people but you are wasting your time trying to have a productive discourse with her. She has an agenda and is a lot smarter than she is letting on. No one as educated as she obviously is could constantly misrepresent so many peoples’ views (Beck, O’Reilly, etc.)or historical perspectives unless she deliberately intends to. Somewhere along the line she’d have to get at least one quote, or one position right just by the law of averages! Her response will be either she found my remarks hurtful, or more likely, that I’ve given her more credit than she’s due, or something along those lines. But I’ll bet she’ll just ignore me because it’s the safest thing to do.
Dave M says:
October 4, 2009 at 11:34 pm
I have not studied this much, but I thought that the number of electoral votes a state get is proportional to its population? (Yes this is true)
If that is true (and again, I don’t know if it is), then it seems that anything that can happen in popular vote, could also happen in the electoral college? (False, because it is what is called “first past the post”. Whoever wins the state gets all the college votes, whereas a proportional split of the college vote based on vote percentage would result in the type of problems associated with deciding by the popular vote.)
What bothers me in the electoral college is that (at least in some states) all the electoral votes go to the winner of the state rather than dividing them proportionally according to popular vote. (See above, it has only happened once, and the state removed its delegates and replaced them to continue to follow precedent)
It seems to me that this will only exacerbate the possibility of a disparate outcome. (again, this is why the College Vote process was instituted. It also allows for a change of college vote, if say, vast voter fraud and crimes were committed to get the “winner” elected, and it is discovered before the electoral college votes. Your founding fathers were VERY brilliant men to try and look at almost all contingencies to try and protect the American People from oppression and Dictators; from the founding of your nation to a future they could not even dream of, but they definitely tried their best to protect you.)
Again, I am admittedly very week in this area … I may change my opinion as I become more educated. To those who understand it better, please tell me where I’m wrong. (Hey, that sounds like what Beck says all the time … “tell me where I’m wrong”. Maybe I watch him too much). (Please do read up on it, I have found that most people who “Hate” the electoral college, once they research it, find that it is a very fair and balanced way with some modicum of secure assurances to decide the Presidency. Gees, I think I watch to much FNC, “fair and balanced”)
gbd…
The link you sent from your lefty site didn’t work…. however if you go to the library and take out John Holdrens book Ecoscience: Population Resources, Environment at turn to page 787 you can read his own words which state: “Adding a sterilant to drinking water or staple foods is a suggestion that seems to horrify people more than most proposals for involuntary fertility control. Indeed, this would pose some very difficult political, legal, and social questions, to say nothing of the technical problems. No such sterilant exists today, nor does one appear to be under development. To be acceptable, such a substance would have to meet some rather stiff requirements: it must be uniformly effective, despite widely varying doses received by individuals, and despite varying degrees of fertility and sensitivity among individuals; it must be free of dangerous or unpleasant side effects; and it must have no effect on members of the opposite sex, children, old people, pets, or livestock.”
You do have a Library Card don’t you?? Idiot!
gbd…
Check out page 786 : Involuntary fertility control
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A program of sterilizing women after their second or third child, despite the relatively greater difficulty of the operation than vasectomy, might be easier to implement than trying to sterilize men.
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The development of a long-term sterilizing capsule that could be implanted under the skin and removed when pregnancy is desired opens additional possibilities for coercive fertility control. The capsule could be implanted at puberty and might be removable, with official permission, for a limited number of births.
gbd..
while you are at it check out page 837:
Indeed, it has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Constitution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society.
we should judge Obama by the people he surrounds himself with… Isn’t that what he told us to do??
So was Beck wrong?? These are Holdrens written words! not some analysis by some Liberal think tank!
gbd…
Finally… Beck has exposed so much corruption surrounding this administration that they.. like you.. bring up fringe elements like the Bible issue?? earth shattering gbd… the money for a door?? 246K? must have been a hell of a door! Whoopi/Walters?? c’mon gbd watch the whole tape… and find someone credible… and finally the birthright provision?? I mean really…gbd…Beck is one of many who do believe that Obama IS a citizen. Pretty weak examples… and I just blew you out of the water with the John Holdren claim… you did know that was his name right gbd???
Eh2Zed,
It still does not make sense to me.
If the number of electoral college votes in each state are proportional to that state’s population, I claim the college make the issue worse.
Simple example: Lets say California, New York and Illinois have 50.1% of the US population (whether they do or not isn’t important to the illustration). If this is true, the laws of mathematical proportionality require that those same states also have 50.1% of the electoral college votes (that’s the definition of proportional … I’m a mathematician).
If the election is decided by popular vote, then CA, NY and IL could only elect the president without help of the other states if they go 100% for one candidate (very unlikely). In the case of the electoral college, CA, NY and IL could commit ALL of their electoral votes with much less than 100% of their vote; and still single handedly elect a president? In other words, the most populous states could still elect the president and do with considerably less votes.
This is why I said, it seems to me, that the electoral college just exacerbates the problem. My logic must be wrong somewhere … I’ll have to study up and see where this breaks down?
Wow Dave, I just wanted to point out GBD was wrong. I didn’t want him to feel like I was picking on him. You just went and embarassed his arguments lol
EH2zed:
There have been several references here that illustrate Beck’s missteps and lies (First, Beck has NEVER claimed he is a journalist, he has ALWAYS stated he is a commentator.
I’ll try and put this simply as a person with such a full brain it must be difficult to focus on one thing at a time.
My beef is with people taking this man seriously when he puts his disinfomation out there. He is an infotainer nothing more. Its nice to see you agree with me.
he has a 3 person research staff, which was expanded to 8 when he started nailing the Obama admin, compared to, oh, lets see, the NYT who have over 200 researchers and fact checkers, or CBS who has over 400. Paranoia is not an attractive quality nor does it do much to substantiate your intellectual claims
Second, You still haven’t named one instance where he was wrong about the above named people, groups, organizations in my previous response to your warped posting). I’ve on several occasions. Clearly you’ve a comprehension issues as well. Between that and your paranoia? Seek professional help.
Even from his own mouth for that matter (He, if you ever actually watched his show even ONCE, states that he sometimes may be off or wrong and insists his viewers go out and find out the truth for themselves and not to take what he says as the gospel truth). Gospel, eh? Speaks volumes.
That there are those here that do not want or are unable to see them seems to be a dilemma (I ignore Beck when he is wrong on the minor matters, such as confusing Calgary and Vancouver, but, he HASN’T been wrong yet about the MAJOR issues in regards to the Obama admin, and the Obama admin HAS NOT POINTED OUT ANY FALSEHOODS in his major claims about them). What planet are you from? If you choose to NOT see or hear or read what is here methinks you have issues with denial as well. IF he confuses simple locales it leads to questioning his legitimacy ergo his credibiltily ergo what else is he “confusing?”
Your sophomoric diatribe is full of so many contradcitions and errors that you fail to make any point (It was YOUR sophomoric (or should I say moronic) statements that were full of contradictions and errors without any point but bashing conservatives, but PLEASE, show me in my response where I was wrong? Where?). You contradict yourself (Again, WHERE?). Firstly, you used moronic so before you whine and cry like the Beckster or whatever his real name is, I’m replying in kind. I mentioned Beck is similar to Jerry Springer. Never once did I claim contextually. You started off on the correct tangent and then your argument morphed into their respective political ideologies. I know that may’ve been difficult for you to follow but with your IQ I’m sure you did it with ease!
I’m sure a class or three at your local community college if you can get accepted would help with your comprehension and organizational skills ( At the age of 10, my IQ was tested at 167. By age 12 I was writing about Nuclear non-proliferation and the MAD theory of Nuclear Deterrence. By the age of 13, I was reading and comprehending at a PHD level while just finishing high school.At 18, I graduated in the top 2% of my grad class from the University of Alberta with 2 dgrees. At 21, I finished number 3 from Royal Military College when I was in the Military, and I graduated top of my class when I went for my degree in Military History and Global Strategic Studies, Canadian Command College Kingston and West Point). Good Luck with THAT. Perhaps you’re child prodigy status kept you from proper societal interaction? Perhaps that is why you seem to walking around with a chip on your shoulder the size of the debt the Neo Cons left this Administration? Perhpas this is why you are insecure enough to ramble on and prounounce your intellectual acumen on a freaking TV Ratings site? What’s wrong Mommy and Daddy not give you enough attention? Still craving positive re enforcment? On a Tv ratings web site? Really?
Since the frothing rabid neo cons (do you even know what neo-con means? Neo Conservatives? Not to be confused with true Conservatives. Yes, I am aware of them and Dick Cheney is their fearless leader.
From the conservative responses on this site, I think you should be calling these people, true down in the dirt, old school conservatives and constitutionalists. Not neo-cons) Were they, i would.
here seem so intent on empty debate adn only appear to want to have the last word I’ll allow you what you want (I wouldn’t take away your fun of empty debate, and I will let you have the last word, since they so aptly fit what I would like to express to you.). Thanks for playing. Carry on.
Have a great day Einstein and don’t forget to Smile!
No… GBD isn’t bitter…
Just a few quick comments. Maybe we can’t see Beck’s real lies on serious issues because you or NOBODY else has showed them to us?
Also its funny how you tear into somebody about posting here and debating in this forum etc. etc. yet what are you doing GBD?
As far as all your accomplishments you claim. And this is the best you can do? Arguing with us Beck loving neanderthals on a tv ratings comments section? lol
Charlie? Hope you had a good night. So, my argument was the Beckster doesn’t deal with facts. You cried “No.” I’m paraphrasing there. I provided video. You still cried “No. “I argued that Beckie lies. Again, you said, “No.” Again, paraphrasing. “So, I provided examples and your reply:
“Not quite a blatant lie”
Are you kidding me? That’s it? That’s all you have? You’re intellectually agreeing with me yet you are still arguing with me? That’s the definition of irrational. You dont’ need anyone to humiliate you humiliate yourself before anyone else has the opportunity. I don’t think there is much point of discussing this issue with you since you’ve made your decision and golly gee you’re sticking to it!
And as far as being embarassed by Einstein? Sorry but being shamed by a random poster on a random web site? Really? Not gonna happen.
Have a great day!
Dave:
Yes, I have a library card and no, as much as you would secretly like to, you did not blow me out of the water. A bit Freudian? I’m still awaiting an actual substantative retort.
Have a great Day!
The nature of your last two posts would suggest otherwise about what you think of the reubuttals you received…
Notice how I had a whole paragraph around the one sentence you picked out? Yet you single out the one sentence. But go ahead and proclaim minor mistakes, that I haven’t even seen pointed out anywhere but here so I can’t even verify if this is even a mistake by Beck.
You provided broken links too what I can only assume was yet again wrong info from the leftie anti-Beck spin machine. I noticed you’ve made two posts now and not bothered to fix those?
And yet again your pointing at the video. Anybody that watches the video will see what Glenn says. I’m not even sure how anybody can try to spin that any way at all?
You provided very nitpicky mistakes in wording, broken links to your “claims”, and a video that says nothing like what you claim, as your arguments of Beck’s lies and hate. All of which has been smacked down several times now.
And off all beck’s shows, all he has said about the administration and politicians in general. These are the things you come up with as proof that Beck is a hate mongering, fear spreading, liar liar with his pants on fire.
And you want to insult the rest of us here?
Charlie? You’ve got to be kidding?
“Maybe we can’t see Beck’s real lies on serious issues”
So you are STILL agreeing with me that Beckie lies. It is just that he is allowed “real” lies and now “fake” lies???
Everyone should start their day with a good laugh. I thank you!
GBD provides us with broken links to what we can only assume as leftie spin. Then when told which book, what pages, and even given quotes he claims that he needs a “substantative report”?
Your ship was blown out of the water along time agon GBD, I think you now have some holes in your life raft.
I think you’ve and many others have participated in slinging insults here. To think otherwise would be naieve. OR is that a fake lie? This new differentiation of lies is new to me. Or is Beck only allowed to tell real and fake lies?
Charlie you provide the least amount of date of anyone here. You offer cliches adn backhanded insults and rely on other posters intellect to ride their coat tails.
If anything I’ve said has came across as an insult I am sorry. I didn’t mean anything that way.
But now not once, but twice in a few minutes you have taken small segments of what I’ve said and tried to turn them aroun. No I’m not agreeing with you on anything. Anybody can read that and fully understand that I’m not.
Anybody with reading comprehension can see that I’m not agreeing with you at all. I am saying we can’t see the lies because, there aren’t any, and if there were any like people claim, nobody has shown them to us.
You claim that Beck tells all kinds of lies. Yet can only find some that are lies in your mind.
Your really exposing yourself as not much more than a Troll on here now.
Now we need to provide data? I haven’t seen anybody really provide “data”.
What about your broken links? Still haven’t bothered to fix them or post what you meant so we can see all the Glenn Beck lies for ourselves.
Charlie? You said Beck tells “not quite blatant lies.” I said Beck tells lies. You agreed with me in that he tells lies whether they be “not quite blantant or not.” Then you continue to argue with me about his lying?
And before you accuse people of hurling insults? You call me a Troll? Hypocrisy defined. You accuse me of twisting your words? It’s your logic that is twisted and then when it is pointed out you shoot the messenger.
Just hang on long enough. One of you “fans” will try to insult me and you can agree with them! Or someone will praise you and you can feel validated. I’m looking for neither, particularly on a web site I’m arguing debate.
No I said:
“As far as his other “lies”. So what, he was wrong about money spent on a door? The 1.4 million was given to the place in question, so a mistake yes. Not quite a blatant lie”
I was going to break this down in very basic elementary language for you so you’d understand what I meant, but on 2nd thought I’m not. If you can’t understand what I said thats not really my problem. Much like your doing with Glenn Beck, your now doing with me and my arguments. Actually that makes me feel altitle honored to be attacked the same way as Beck, by the same people that attack Beck!
Yes a troll. I’m guessing you’ll claim I’m calling you some ugly monster that lives under a bridge. However the more modern day acceptance of the word is; somebody that goes online to forums, websites etc. and says things to get people mad, or to get them to respond in ways that make the responder look bad or with things that can be turned against them.
So yes, some of your more recent posts are very troll like. Not an insult, a decription.
Oh and how are you coming with those links that expose what a liar Beck is?
I have provided examples. Only for you to irrationally deny? Why provide more for you dodge? I mean really, what is the point?
I know what a web “troll” is. Apparently it takes one to know one.
Again, one last time. I throw your own twisted words back at your simpleton mind and you accuse me of twisting your words, insult me and then accuse me of insulting you? Seek help.
GBD we’ll take a vote here and see what you provided…
Who thinks GBD’s “evidence” are examples of Glenn Beck’s lying? And to make it fair I think we should only count names of people that are known on these comments. Because anybody could just start inserting names and emails to spam the votes on way or another.
I still don’t see the links to well over half of your arguments either GBD. So that speaks for your evidence.
The only link you’ve posted that works is to the video of Beck saying one thing-CLEARLY, but you saying he says another. I think that speaks for itself.
A popularity contest? An unscientific popularity contest? For real? I don’t care if you have your pals post that you’re most popular. Again, i’m not so insecure that i need to be validated on a random web site.
To give this boards moderators some breathing room, I’ll take the high road and agree that we are stuck in a circular argument going no where and that we should agree to disagree. Since you CLAIM that you don’t hurl insults I’ll be looking for you to extend the moderators the same courtesy but i won’t expect it.
Some people may see what you just typed as a sign of weakness with yoru arguments and facts on Glenn Beck. But I won’t try to claim that it is so don’t worry.
Ok votes off.
Or they might see it as a sign of manning up, taking the first step, and feeling secure enough in my own beliefs to do so. I don’t know and neither do you.
Did any of the loons that call themselves Beck fans watch Beck when he was on that evil liberal news channel?
That’s right. Beck was a CNN employee until Fox snapped him up. I guess that doesn’t matter to his fan base. After all, they’ve been known to quote the Communist newspaper PRAVDA while holding up Communist Russian birther nutjob Oily Taint as a hero.
Pathetic, isn’t it?
For the record – the “liberal MSM” has more than ten times the viewers that Beck has. 25 million plus are NOT watching Beck, while 2 million or so rabid rightwing nutjobs think he’s the god of the airwaves.
It’s telling that so many of his fans think he’s Number One. They’ll buy any lie that’s presented by the rightwing media.
Well thought out post Con-Free. What does Glenn Beck being on CNN before FNC have to do with anything? Yet thats a knock against Beck somehow or even his fans? I don’t follow that logic.
We’ll buy any lie thats presented by right wing media? Nielsen is right wing media? Beck is number one in his time slot, and he beats other’s prime time slots combined too.
Want to talk other outlets he’s number 1 in? Ever looked at book sales? What about the radio? Well you got me there. He’s only 3rd. Right behind Rush with 15+ million, Hannity with 14+ million, Beck is at an oh so distant 3rd (sarcasm) at 9+ million.
By all means be angry at Glenn Beck! We’re a free country, I get agnry at Maddow, Olberman, Matthews among others, however I can actually make sense about why I get mad from watching their shows.
@Con-free: I DO watch Beck more since he moved to FNC this spring. So do a lot of other people. By your logic that makes me a loon as well as a right wing nutjob. (I assume therefore that you personally have either never watched Beck or that you are also a rightwing nutjob loon who thinks Beck is the god of the airwaves.)
Also by your logic:
“For the record – the “liberal MSM” has more than ten times the viewers that Beck has. 25 million plus are NOT watching Beck, …”
If you are watching network news, you are not watching Beck? When he was with HLN, Beck was on at 7 and 9 PM. He is on at 5PM on FNC and again at 2. Network news is on at 6:30. With a flip of the remote, we can get ourselves counted in ALL those broadcasts.
The network news does garner many more viewers than cable news for reasons discussed ad nauseum on this web site. But it is illogical and erroneous to state that viewers watch network news while excluding cable news and vice versa.
Like his methods or not, Beck is performing a vital service for Americans. He says what a lot of them think but would never say. Would you prefer that he be silenced?
Glenn Beck is number one to a tiny portion of this country’s population.
I’m impressed.
That doesn’t change the fact that 25 million news viewers DO NOT WATCH Glenn Beck.
For the record, I encourage people like Glenn to spew their insane rhetoric on the airwaves. I also encourage people to watch Beck and his nutjob cohorts. The Beck fan club makes it easy to keep an eye on the nutty, paranoid haters that so desperately want this country to fail.
Want to know who the enemy is? Just look for the Beck fans.
Con-Free…
If thats the case… why do you even post here? Why does it bother you so much that Beck beats all his cable compeition combined? If 25 Million more people watch the Liberal media than watch Beck… why do you seem so threatened by him. Why if he is such a fraud then why isn’t Van Jones still the Green Jobs Czar? Why isn’t ACORN still doing the Census and receiving Millions of taxpayer dollars?… why is it that the White House is unable to rebuke his arguments??? that should be what scares you..it sure scares me! So according to you if you watch Beck you become a nutty paranoid hater and an enemy of the country??? I would think by outing a self avowed communist truther, and a corrupt tax funded organization like Acorn, and organizing to protest and stop the Socialist agenda of this administration Beck and his followers should be considered Patriots of the highest order. I’m sure you don’t agree…lol… but your fear is showing and you offer nothing to debate or dispute the truthful facts put forth. Your response follows the Rules for Radicals to a T. All you have left is name calling and insults to fall back on because you certainly don’t have a case!
gbd…
You are a hopeless waste of time… you have no defense whatsoever… and…You are the prime example of what arguing with idiots is all about.
Hey Con-free:
I just look for the Obama 08 bumperstickers
That is the sign for “easily fooled”
America, enjoy the fruits of your votes with Obama. Obama is so smart, first in his class of lawyers. What a loser… Can anyone do worse than he has, oh yes his name was Jimmy Carter…
I think his program on Labor Day might have been a rerun from the previous Friday because I did not save it. I have saved all his other programs since 9/3.
JRunnels,
I believe you are right. I know for sure his radio show was hosted by someone else, so it follows that he took the day off from TV too.
@Con-free: I dare say that there are more than 25 million people in this country who have never even heard of Glenn Beck, much less seen his TV show. There are probably even more than that who have never watched Chris Matthews, or Keith Olbermann, or Rachel Maddow, or Jules Prince. What’s the point?
gbd says:
October 5, 2009 at 6:47 am
EH2zed:
There have been several references here that illustrate Beck’s missteps and lies (First, Beck has NEVER claimed he is a journalist, he has ALWAYS stated he is a commentator.
I’ll try and put this simply as a person with such a full brain it must be difficult to focus on one thing at a time.
My beef is with people taking this man seriously when he puts his disinfomation out there. He is an infotainer nothing more. Its nice to see you agree with me. ( You ignore the point that he is NOT a journalist, you claim it is disinformation, but you still provide NO proof that he was wrong about the claims made by him of the Obama admin. As to people believing him, whats wrong with you, if they choose not to believe you , that is their god given right to believe what they like. You have no right to deny them the right to believe what they will. That is one of the protections in your constitution, or do you only allow rights to those you agree with? Did you ever wonder that you might be wrong? Ever?)
he has a 3 person research staff, which was expanded to 8 when he started nailing the Obama admin, compared to, oh, lets see, the NYT who have over 200 researchers and fact checkers, or CBS who has over 400. Paranoia is not an attractive quality nor does it do much to substantiate your intellectual claims( What does this statement have to do with paranoia, other than your own.)
Second, You still haven’t named one instance where he was wrong about the above named people, groups, organizations in my previous response to your warped posting). I’ve on several occasions. Clearly you’ve a comprehension issues as well. Between that and your paranoia? Seek professional help. (Again, you claim you have about the entities I mentioned, but you still haven’t pointed out the lies. As to paranoia, you seem to be exhibiting enough for everyone on this site)
Even from his own mouth for that matter (He, if you ever actually watched his show even ONCE, states that he sometimes may be off or wrong and insists his viewers go out and find out the truth for themselves and not to take what he says as the gospel truth). Gospel, eh? Speaks volumes. (Is this an example of your religious paranoia? Are you afraid some evil christian will convert you?)
That there are those here that do not want or are unable to see them seems to be a dilemma (I ignore Beck when he is wrong on the minor matters, such as confusing Calgary and Vancouver, but, he HASN’T been wrong yet about the MAJOR issues in regards to the Obama admin, and the Obama admin HAS NOT POINTED OUT ANY FALSEHOODS in his major claims about them). What planet are you from? If you choose to NOT see or hear or read what is here methinks you have issues with denial as well. (You exhibit signs of paranoia and denial…hmmmm, you wouldn’t happen to be a little schyzoid, would you?) IF he confuses simple locales it leads to questioning his legitimacy ergo his credibiltily ergo what else is he “confusing?” (Oh, you mean Obama traveling to 57 states? Yeah, I agree with you, he SHOULD have his credibility questioned.)
Your sophomoric diatribe is full of so many contradcitions and errors that you fail to make any point (It was YOUR sophomoric (or should I say moronic) statements that were full of contradictions and errors without any point but bashing conservatives, but PLEASE, show me in my response where I was wrong? Where?). You contradict yourself (Again, WHERE?). Firstly, you used moronic so before you whine and cry like the Beckster or whatever his real name is, I’m replying in kind. I mentioned Beck is similar (You used the term IS Jerry Springer of Cable news, I pointed out what type of moral and political belief someone like Springer believes in to bring that pathetic crap to the public airwaves, and the same for those who watch it. Its not my fault that you don’t like the comparison.) to Jerry Springer. Never once did I claim contextually. You started off on the correct tangent and then your argument morphed into their respective political ideologies. I know that may’ve been difficult for you to follow but with your IQ I’m sure you did it with ease! (Actually, reading your wandering statements, with all the typos and incoherent thought process behind your statements, makes it very difficult to follow what you are trying to blather. But we should continually encourage those of lower intelligence to keep trying to expand their ability. As they say,”You can’t fix stupid”, but you should at least try.)
I’m sure a class or three at your local community college if you can get accepted would help with your comprehension and organizational skills ( At the age of 10, my IQ was tested at 167. By age 12 I was writing about Nuclear non-proliferation and the MAD theory of Nuclear Deterrence. By the age of 13, I was reading and comprehending at a PHD level while just finishing high school.At 18, I graduated in the top 2% of my grad class from the University of Alberta with 2 dgrees. At 21, I finished number 3 from Royal Military College when I was in the Military, and I graduated top of my class when I went for my degree in Military History and Global Strategic Studies, Canadian Command College Kingston and West Point). Good Luck with THAT. Perhaps you’re child prodigy status kept you from proper societal interaction? (Not really, still played team sports, dated girls, fought bullies, and got drunk with my friends on a saturday night or two, just like any other man out there. Well, except for you of course.)Perhaps that is why you seem to walking around with a chip on your shoulder the size of the debt the Neo Cons left this Administration? (Not a chip at all, just the realization from living and traveling in the real world that people like you are blind to truth and like to live in a fantasy land, because reality is to harsh for your Id and ego to deal with.) Perhpas this is why you are insecure enough to ramble on and prounounce your intellectual acumen on a freaking TV Ratings site? ( Why would this bother you? would it be because you are Jealous? or that even on a TV ratings site, I own you like Obama’s ancestors did with their fellow tribesmen? Before selling them to the Portuguese). What’s wrong Mommy and Daddy not give you enough attention? Still craving positive re enforcment? On a Tv ratings web site? Really? (Sounds like someone is a little jealous. Please don’t let the green eyed monster cause you to hate me. Look up the Parable of the Talents from the bible, OK? I used my abilities to improve myself and protect and defend others. In fact I have had more combat time with your countries military when on special and temporary duties, protecting your interests than I have had with my own. Well, Maybe I should add the British Military also.)
Since the frothing rabid neo cons (do you even know what neo-con means? Neo Conservatives (But you still haven’t defined the word neo and its context and connotations to the usage that you used. See, you must be precise in your language usage to be understood clearly with no confusion as to word usage and intent, instead of repeating DNC talking points.)? Not to be confused with true Conservatives. Yes, I am aware of them and Dick Cheney is their fearless leader. (Dick Cheney? Does he frighten you too? I do realize he is a strong and powerful persona, but does he really frighten you on the left, that much? Is it because he reminds you of your father when daddy caught you experimenting with the neighbor boy down the block? We know, it was only a “little harmless experimentation”, and that’s OK. We don’t think you sashay that way really. We must forgive the silly mistakes of little children)
From the conservative responses on this site, I think you should be calling these people, true down in the dirt, old school conservatives and constitutionalists. Not neo-cons) Were they, i would.(So conservatives think like you? Wow, you really are delusional.)
here seem so intent on empty debate adn only appear to want to have the last word I’ll allow you what you want (I wouldn’t take away your fun of empty debate, and I will let you have the last word, since they so aptly fit what I would like to express to you.). Thanks for playing. Carry on.
Have a great day Einstein ( I wish, but thanks for the compliment, he’s one of my heroes. Do you think you could call me Nimitz next time, he’s another one also.) and don’t forget to Smile! (Always, mentally challenged people trying to improve themselves always makes me feel good inside. It lets me know that there is always hope out there for your country.) Again, thanks for playing, carry on.
DaveM, here are some of the reasons in favour of the electoral college,
Prevents an urban-centric victory
Proponents of the Electoral College claim the Electoral College prevents a candidate from winning the Presidency by simply winning in heavily populated urban areas. This means that candidates must make a much wider appeal than they would if they simply had to win the national popular vote.
Maintains the federal character of the nation
The United States of America is a federal coalition which consists of component states. Proponents of the current system argue that the collective opinion of even a small state merits attention at the federal level greater than that given to a small, though numerically-equivalent, portion of a very populous state. The system also allows each state the freedom, within constitutional bounds, to design its own laws on voting and enfranchisement without an undue incentive to maximize the number of votes cast.
For many years early in the nation’s history, up until the Jacksonian Era, many states appointed their electors by a vote of the state legislature, and proponents argue that, in the end, the election of the President must still come down to the decisions of each state, or the federal nature of the United States will give way to a single massive, centralized government.
In his book A More Perfect Constitution, Professor Larry Sabato elaborated on this advantage of the Electoral College, arguing to “mend it, don’t end it,” in part because of its usefulness in forcing candidates to pay attention to lightly populated states and reinforcing the role of the state in federalism.
Enhances status of minority groups
Far from decreasing the power of minority groups by depressing voter turnout, proponents argue that, by making the votes of a given state an all-or-nothing affair, minority groups can provide the critical edge that allows a candidate to win. This encourages candidates to court a wide variety of such minorities and interest groups.
Encourages stability through the two-party system
Many proponents of the Electoral College see its negative effect on third parties as a good thing. They argue that the two party system has provided stability through its ability to change during times of rapid political and cultural change. They believe it protects the most powerful office in the country from control by what these proponents view as regional minorities until they can moderate their views to win broad, long-term support from across the entire nation.
Death or unsuitability of a candidate
The Constitution grants each state the right to appoint electors in a manner chosen by that state. While it is common to think of the electoral votes impersonally, as mere numbers, the Electoral College is in fact made up of real people (usually party regulars of the party whose candidate wins each state) with the capacity to adapt to unusual situations. That capacity might be particularly important if, for example, a candidate were to die or become in some other way unsuitable to serve as President or Vice President. Advocates of the current system argue that these electors could then choose a suitable replacement (who would most likely come from the same party of the candidate who won the election) more competently than could the general voting public. Furthermore, the time period during which such a death or the onset of such an unsuitability might call for such an adaptation extends, under the Electoral College system, from before Election Day (many states cannot change ballots at a late stage) until the day the electors vote (the first Monday after the second Wednesday of December). Thus, until the electors cast their votes, it is not a federal issue, per se, but a state’s rights issue and state laws (should) regulate the situation. In Virginia, for instance, the law clearly states that the electors must vote for the name of the candidate whom they represent on the ballot, and therefore these electors are not able to adapt to unusual situations, unless they are willing to violate the law, and suffer the penalties for so doing.
In the election of 1872, Democratic candidate Horace Greeley did in fact die before the meeting of the Electoral College, resulting in Democratic disarray; the electors who were to have voted for Greeley split their votes across several candidates, including three votes cast for the deceased Greeley. However, President Ulysses S. Grant, the Republican incumbent, had already won an absolute majority of electors. Because it was the death of a losing candidate, there was no pressure to agree on a replacement candidate. There has never been a case of a candidate of the winning party dying.
In the election of 1912, after the Republicans had renominated President Taft and Vice President Sherman, Sherman died shortly before the election, too late to change the names on the ballot, thus causing Sherman to be listed posthumously. That ticket finished third behind the Democrats (Woodrow Wilson) and the Progressives (Theodore Roosevelt), and the 8 electoral votes that Sherman would have received were cast for Nicholas Murray Butler.
Isolation of election problems
Some supporters of the Electoral College note that it isolates the impact of any election fraud, or other such problems, to the state where it occurs. It prevents instances where a party dominant in one state may dishonestly inflate the votes for a candidate and thereby affect the election outcome. For instance, recounts occur only on a state-by-state basis, not nationwide.
Neutralizes turnout disparities between states
There are factors that affect the turnout around the country. Weather can vary greatly across a large nation, rain or winter storms can impact voter participation in affected states. In addition, when a state has another high profile contest, such as a hotly contested Senate or gubernatorial race, turnout in that state can be affected. Because the allocation of electoral votes is independent of each state’s turnout, the Electoral College neutralizes the effect of all such turnout disparities between states.
Maintains separation of powers
The Constitution separated government into three branches that check each other to minimize threats to liberty and encourage deliberation of governmental acts. Under the original framework, only members of the House of Representatives were directly elected by the people, with members of the Senate chosen by state legislatures, the President by the Electoral College, and the judiciary by the President and the Senate. The President was not directly elected in part due to fears that he could assert a national popular mandate that would undermine the legitimacy of the other branches, and potentially result in tyranny.
I’m threatened by Glenn Beck in much the same manner that I was threatened by Sarah Palin.
I’m terrified that I’ll choke while I’m laughing hysterically at him.
Eh2Zed,
Thanks for the explanation. I understand the historical reasoning. I’m not sure I buy all of the proponents’ reasoning … but I’ll keep an open mind as I study the subject more.
Earlier today I looked up the current electoral votes assigned to the various states and did a little “what if” analysis to see what the worst case scenario would be. From what I pieced together, a president could theoretically be elected by winning only 11 states (the ones with the most electoral votes of course). Those 11 states also tended to be the ones with the largest urban populations (NY, CA, IL, etc.) and ones that tend to go democrat because of that same urban population. Furthermore, Obama won all but two of these states in 2008 (he didn’t get Texas and one other state near the bottom of the list … don’t remember which one at the moment). The fact that only slightly more than half of the people in these states had to vote for Obama to give him 100% of the electoral votes still seems like it ‘amplified’ the influence of those states over some of us in more rural and conservative areas of the country?
It’s not clear to me that we are doing ourselves any favors by keeping the electoral college in place. But again, I’ll keep an open mind for now.
Thanks again for all your effort in explaining this.
AvatarI, Thank you for saying that you think I am intelligent. I do not, however, appreciate the implication that I have some hidden adjenda. I came to this site because I wanted to see what the ratings were for cable news. I really wanted to see if there was a geographical breakdown as well as an age breakdown, but I got interested in the blog part instead.
When I said that Glenn Beck is, in my opinion, a racist, I meant it. I also meant it when I said that I did not mean to imply that anyone who watches his show is also a racist. I watch his show and do not consider myself to be a racist in the least. I am anxious to know what is being said in the media because I think it greatly influences people and the decisions they make regarding our country.
I will say again that I think Mr. Beck is a very cleaver speaker who uses every trick from the orator’s book to get people involved and convinced that he is right. I wish he would get into the health care insurance debate with his eye to making the future better for his children, as he often states, instead of just trying to get higher and higher ratings and an even larger ego. R. Murdock owns the station and his adjenda is to make even more money and to promote the Republican Party. FOX News is nothing but a 24/7 political ad for the Republicans. Mr. Beck is wasted on the channel. He could be working for campaign reform, getting rid of lobbyists, finding answers to pressing problems like the economy, unemployment, health care, and our various wars.
Darla,
I don’t think you’re intelligent. I know you are. The problem I have is with your statements about Beck. It’s irrelevant if you THINK he’s a racist. You have no proof. I’ll accept you didn’t intend to imply his “followers” are racist but that is in fact what you did.
I think that most of the people on this site have illustrated that they are intelligent enough to discern between propanda and a logical fact based presentation. Beck might be a bit histrionic but he does back up what he says. His book “Arguing with Idiots” has exhaustive documentation. I don’t necessarily agree with all of the conclusions he draws in a couple of areas but he hasn’t lied or intentionally misrepresented any facts. He just comes to different conclusions than his critics would given the same information, hence the title of his book.
What you are really balking against with Beck is that you are afraid he will influence others NOT TO THINK LIKE YOU DO. You think your take on things is correct. That’s normal. I think it is evident that none of the people on this site who disagree with you have shown any evidence that they blindly believe everything Beck says. They simply are in agreement with him and not you.
So far you haven’t convinced them and never will if you keep calling him a racist or liken him to a nazi and so on. They stop listening to you. Your ad hominem attacks serve no purpose other than to provoke others. It doesn’t further your(or anyone’s)argument in the least.
You have no proof that Beck just says what he says for ratings. He said the same things at CNN and had meager ratings. Your argument is dismissive and without merit.
As for other issues, you have offered some anecdotal evidence as proofs for some of your arguments and that never works either. Such an argument is limited to your own experience. Another’s experience may be entirely different so it proves nothing.
You are not alone in this. Most people commit one or more of the same and other errors. I know I do if I don’t keep on my guard. Especially if I’m tired like now!
Anyway, I apologize for upsetting you.
I just love the same old arguments here by the same people, yet NONE of you have been able to prove anything to the contrary of your claims, you only produce links or quotes to someone else’s opinions, not factual data.
If Beck, Hannity, O’Reilly and FNC are so wrong about everything, then WHY do any of you even pay attention to it?
Why are they such a threat to your existence?
Why are the political figures and organisations that are being scrutinized by the above running away to hide?
Why are they not fighting back and PROVING that all that has/was reported is false?
Fact is, no one under scrutiny (to date) has been able to prove their innocense on ANY level. And now by Beck (and others), they’re being exposed. Beck did the same thing he’s doing now when he was at CNN just without the theatrics, he hasn’t changed.
So to GBD, Darla and the rest of you, provide FACTUAL data to the claims you make, submit them to Beck and the people that were scrutinized. I am quite confident that neither of you will be able to refute the evidence. See, you will only believe what YOU want to believe. You’re probably among those that are blaming Bush for Chicago not winning the Olympic bid too. I wouldn’t put it past you people.
If your all so threatened by Beck and Fox, then why don’t you all band together and have your own version of “the Tea Party”? You can call it the “Truth Party” and you can march all over the country and tell the rest of us the real truth about everything!
Actually I don’t see THAT happenning any time soon. It’s much more easier for all of you to sit on your butts and complain from the shadows. Bottom line is… if you and the figureheads that you support are so right and the rest of us and the world is so wrong… then get up off your asses and prove it! THEN we’ll shut up and bow in defeat and commit ourselves to the institution of your choice.
And on a side note here, who ever it was that claimed earlier here (or another thread) that they had read the proposed health care bill.. you’re full of sh*t! Since there are SEVERAL versions under review all exceeding 1000 plus pages and by the senate and house members own admission (on tape, not made up), unable to understand ANY of it, and where NOT ALL of the versions are yet made available to the public. So that makes you either a friggin genious or a bullsh*tter.
Darla said:
“Every other major country in the world has health care for all of their citizens. We are listed as number 29 in mortality, way down the list in infant mortality, and we pay way, way more than the next closest country for our medical care.”
Darla, I urge you to do some research to get at the facts behind healthcare. Search for Dr. Brent James (from Intermountain Healthcare in Utah) and you’ll find the following:
40% of a nation’s health (hence, mortality) is due to the behaviors of it’s people, for example level of drug/alcohol abuse, inactivity, etc.
30% is from genetics
20% is from environmental factors (access to clean water, vaccinations, etc.)
10% is from the healthcare system in the country.
So, why do you think our mortality isn’t #1? The two biggest reasons are our poor habits – e.g. obesity which leads to diabetes which leads to early death – and the diversity of our population, a great mix of good an bad genetics.
Now search for facts and you will find this:
For the most prevalent form of cancer in women, breast cancer, the five year survivability is HIGHEST in the US. As much as 25 points higher than in countries with nationalized health systems. For men, the same is true for prostate cancer survivability.
The same is true for survivability of a major trauma, heart attack, premature birth.
Now go search for the facts and debate around infant mortality. You will find that many rates look better because the country under-reports infant deaths while the US is the best at reporting.
Please go search for the facts. I think you will find that we don’t want to model our healthcare system after other countries. They want to model theirs after ours.
KD
Eh2Zed,
Could you make a clearer deliniation between your comments and those of people you are responding to. I had to actually go back and read GBD’s rant at 6:47 to alleviate the confusion I was experiencing in your response to him. Why would you put me through that? I’ve never done anything to you!
Is it just me or does anyone else think GBD and CON-FREE are on the verge of nervous breakdowns?
My problem with Glenn Beck isn’t so much that he lies. He probably doesn’t. He “does” imply connections that are very limp…for instance, because President Obama was on the same board of directors as Mr. Ayers, they think the same way. This is not at all logically true. I have been on several boards and have agreed with some people, disagreed with others. One or two connections like this would be okay, Mr. Beck makes them on a daily or weekly basis. Guilt by association.
I never said Beck was like a Nazi. In fact, I specifically said that I do NOT like people saying anyone is like Hitler or Nazis. Hitler and the Nazis were so very vile that I never compare others to them anymore than I would compare them to Joseph Stalin, the devil, or Ted Bundy.
What I do say and have said is that I would love to see Glenn Beck tackle some more worthy problem, like health care/unemployment/the war in Afghanistan/ or maybe the economy.
I am not upset. Peace, Sir.
Oh, it is nice to read GBD and Blaffie again too.
Why don’t you guys like Rachel Maddow? I think she is adorable.
Darla,
On Oct. 4th 3;24 p.m. you gave a three paragraph explanation of Germany after WWI, why Nazi’s came to power and how hateful they were and how Hitler stirred up the masses with hateful speech and the subsequent escalation from words to violent actions. In the next paragraph you said, “I hate to see people get so angry and so “led” by anyone who is spewing hate. Unfortunately, I see Glen Beck as such a person.”
Erg Beck is akin to Hitler, who was a Nazi. Or as I put it, you are likening Beck to a Nazi; Hitler to be specific.
Don’t say, “Well, you may have read it that way.” You constructed it that way. It’s no one’s fault but your own if people read it that way. If you don’t want to say such things then don’t say them.
Further, you must not watch Beck very often or read his books or
you’d know he not only covers every thing you mentioned you wished he’d deal with but a host of other things as well. And don’t tell me you do. If that’s true then you obviously don’t pay attention.
“Erg” was a typo. Ergo Beck…
Only in America can someone make so much money crying and lying.
Becks viewership numbers are as crooked as Murdoch and Beck.
He went to his hometown and took a 350 seat hall into 7500 people, or his lies about how many morons were in the tea-bag march.
Who watches Beck at 5 pm?
It’s white trash welfare collectors while the rest of us are working or driving home from work.
Oh AvatarI, Yes, I see your logical progression from Hitler to Beck in my statements. I really didn’t mean to suggest that they were equal in any way except ability to draw people’s attention and use emotion to their advantage in speech.
Having said that, I must stick by my guns when I say that Glenn Beck does, in fact, get people stirred up and angry. Any good speaker can accomplish this feat by beginning rather calmly, directing a person’s attention to commonly held beliefs, slowly raising their voice and getting emotionally upset while drawing the audience along with them. This is especially effective when information is repeatedly given with accompaning gestures and emotional input. Good music does the same thing. We humans are very prone to this form of almost hypnotic progression. Ministers use the same process every Sunday, as does any politician who can stir a crowd.
I am frightened when I see people at public meeting sporting guns and saying that their 2nd Ammendment rights are being challenged. Even in Dodge City they required people to check their guns at the sheriffs office before going into town. I don’t like pictures of our president made up to look like The Joker from Batman, Hitler, a monkey, or any other nasty form. I know people have done this since Kilroy, but when it gets out of hand we end up with people very angry, fist fighting, and even shot.
I love discourse, especially with a worthy sparring partner. I think it is the life and breath of our political system and country. I just don’t like it when it goes too far. I watch Glenn Beck about once a day, maybe a little lesss. He is quite brilliant, I admit. He is also very one-sided and seems to hate the current administration out of proportion to the infractions they have made.
President Obama was on a board of directors with Ayers. They weren’t best buddies. Obama acted as a lawyer one time for ACORN, he didn’t work for them as an employee nor did he ever act in any kind of management position there. I would wager that anyone who is a liberal has known and even worked with people who have made some pretty big mistakes in their lives. So have Republicans, Progressives, Conservatives, Centrists, etc. We really can’t base our judgement of a politician or a whole party based on very slim associations. If we could, we would have to assume that JFK could sing and act, Ronald Reagan was really a Russian spy because he liked Gorbachof (I spelled that phonetically and incorrectly, I know.). and that Eisenhower was a terrible man because he had an affair with his driver (a woman).
I want health care reform with a public option. I want our young people out of foreign wars as soon as possible without endangering their or our lives. I think illegal aliens should be sent home unless they are in danger there, however, if they are sick we should treat them out of simple humanity. (I will never be a rich person, I know, but I can sleep at night and I do love to sleep.)
I like you. In fact, I would say that I like everyone on this little blog. Especially I like it when young people get involved in politics. Bully for them, I say! Either side, in fact. It makes the world go round and life entertaining. Peace to you and take care. But, to make this one lady happy, just note how Mr. Beck manipulates his audience and remember what the big picture shows. ACORN, Ayers, Van Johnson, etc. are pretty small potatoes writ large by FOX News, I believe in service to R. Murdock’s adjenda: Money for insurance companies and himself along with regaining the Congress in 2012 for Republicans.
Darla,
I just spent an enormous amount of time dealing with each of your points and the stupid website glitched on me and erased everything I wrote. So I’m going to just give you my points and you can assume I gave you brilliant reasons why they were valid. You would no doubt have become a far right winger after reading them. Anyway, here goes…
1. Obama has actual power and is charismatic. Beck has no power. Who fits your profile of a person that can stir people to action better and who is potentially more dangerous? Oh, and Beck’s viewers are no more mindless than you are so quit implying they are easily led.
2. Checking guns and owning guns are two different issues. People have good reason to fear anti-gunners. Their stated goal is to eliminate private ownership of guns…period. If they can’t do it outright they do it incrementally and dishonestly by various methods. The Supreme Court recently ruled that the second ammendment does indeed protect the right to private ownership of firearms and the anti-gunners are now frantically trying to get around this ruling.
3. If Obama had only a couple of questionable associations it wouldn’t be a problem. It is the countless radicals and extremists he surrounds himself with that is a problem. Each association is a piece in a puzzle that when assembled does not make for a very reassuring picture.
4. People don’t need an “Health Care Package”. They just want some common sense laws put in place that alleviate the problems. They don’t have to be in a package. They could be passed separately and right now, like opening states to all insurers, eliminating pre-existing conditions preclusions, etc..
That’s it. See you later.
AvatarI,
Oh dear, the system has unbelievably done the same thing to me… I’m not even being sarcastic… If I end up with two replies, forgive me.
Let’s agree to disagree and both keep an eye on things. You are truly a delight and I wish I had a chance to discuss religion with you. Have you solved any big questions with all your study? I really have not. I am left mostly confused but convinced that some form of life goes on after this one and that someone or something guides our existance to some extent. Pretty poor showing for a lifetime of study, wouldn’t you say? (We both seem more civilized in this blog over the other one, wonder why. )
I still want a public option. I still think Obama is the best thing since sliced bread, and I still greatly dislike guns in any kind of venue. I know people like to hunt but there are very few animals at public meetings. (I think we agreed on that one, actually.) (I said it so much better before… oh well.)
I do not think the people on this blog are stupid at all. I just realize how very cunning some political pundits are and how willing they seem to be to direct people in one way of thinking or another. I just like to call attention to the fact when I can and remind those very clever people to be careful.
Take care.
Darla,
I don’t believe it. It did it to me again! Fortunately I hadn’t written much. So I’ll try again…
I had to laugh. You are right. It’s like we are two different people on the other blog.
All I’ve learned is that all religions can be wrong but all religions cannot be right. For the most part religions tend to be exclusive and not compatible with other religions. Some are but again, most aren’t. Since if even one is exclusive the old elephant analogy is untenable.
Well, there you go. I’ll stop before someone yells at us.
AvatarI, there are actually 3 blogs here that we are on and I seem to spend a lot of time trying to figure out which one was the last one and when I’m susposed to be nice and when snippy. Its a bit like the 3 Faces of Eve… ho…Anyway, I have very much enjoyed our conversations. Would you be interested in joining some other blog so we could discuss religion with others and not irritate the Glenn Beck fans with side issues? I don’t even know if one exists but I would enjoy the mental stimulation and exchange of ideas if you are interested.
Take care
Darla,
I would be interested in that. You look, I’ll look and I’ll get back to you if I find anything. Also we should compare schedules since there presently is a big delay between us.
I wonder if we find such a site if there will be as much insulting and belittling as there is on this one. If not we could be pioneers!