Will Dollhouse be pulled off the air before all 13 episodes ordered air? At the beginning of the season I wouldn’t have thought there was much chance of that. But now it has to be in the realm of possibility.
One thing I’m sure of though is that it’s not getting a back 9, won’t be renewed for an additional order of 13, won’t be saved by Syfy, and won’t be saved by DirecTV. 13 episodes have been ordered, two have aired. Either all 13 episodes air or not, but you won’t see more Dollhouse after that.
I don’t hate the show (and unlike some people, I actually thought last night’s episode was OK!). But I didn’t hate the show when I wrote “Say Goodbye to Dollhouse“. What I hated was its numbers. Its numbers were bad. Bad even for a Friday.
I went into more detailed projections of the DVR numbers for last week’s premiere. But the thing with last night is even if it increases the live+SD adults 18-49 rating of 0.8 by 50%, and even if those DVR numbers even matter a little absent “remote free limited commercial interruptions”, that still only gets it to a 1.2.
We wrote that the show should not have been renewed because the numbers didn’t paint a pretty picture. I was actually thrilled FOX renewed it, if for no other reason that it was such a surprise, you really could take a step back and say “wow, that’s different!”
But different isn’t necessarily better. Some have asked why FOX renewed the show at all. And I can only speculate there. What I speculate is 1.) FOX was really enamored with Whedushku, 2.) the numbers, outside the last 3 or 4 episodes were in an acceptable range for FOX, 3.) FOX chalked up the poor ratings for the last few episodes, especially the last two to it being late spring, longer days, more people out on Friday and thought, “It will do better in the fall.”
It didn’t do better in the fall.
Now the only questions are: 1.) will it air all its episodes as planned; 2.) will they be burned off in some other fashion or 3.) will some episodes be held back for the DVD.
No matter how good the DVR viewing is on a percentage basis — and on a percentage basis you can count on it being pretty good — it won’t matter. But, because of Nielsen processing, the DVR numbers for last week’s premiere won’t even be available until a week from Monday (10/12 – last night’s numbers will be available 10/19).
Well, thing is, if FOX yanks Dollhouse, they have to eat all the money they spent on the remaining episodes with nothing in return right?
That’s 10/11 episodes at 1-1.5 million a show at least. Quite a chunk of change. Even if the ratings are poor they’ll make at least some of that up through broadcast revenue.
And what could they possibly have to put in its place? I don’t know of anything other than repeats.
This will be an historical first comment when dollhouse gets renewed again!
(i wish, this time it seems like there is no hope at all)
The Godfather, the whole point of Fox renewing Dollhouse is that it was cheap, so it’s not like they poured a ton of money into it. Shows get pulled early all the time. This would be no different. In fact, this would be better, because the average show costs at least $2 mil per episode, while Dollhouse is rumored to be closer to $650k per episode. And repeats of House would certainly do better than Dollhouse!
I think Dollhouse fans should be thankful to Fox for giving them a few more chapter. We see shows all the time not being renewed , shows with 12 million viewers as W. a Trace , or less viewers but still Ok, as The Unit , Moonlight , ….How Dollhouse got a second season is something I still don’t get. Dollhouse give Fox the Thanks at least for giving you a chance to improve the ratings. If this show were at CBS, it would had been canceled after 3 episodes.
Julia –
Totally agree. I mentioned on the over/under thread that a mere 1.3 would keep it afloat versus whatever House would get, and Bill seemed to agree.
Well, it’s not pulling a 1.3 anymore.
It’s DOA.
Doesn’t FOX have episodes of both The Moment of Truth and Kitchen Nightmares in the can as well? Or might they not want to waste them on Fridays? Regardless, this can’t go on much longer. You just can’t be expected to stay around when you’re beaten by a repeat of The Forgotten.
I think the only question now is when will it be pulled. Do they let it air throughout October and pull it before sweeps? Do they give it one more and it’s over? Do they pull it before the next airing?
This is hilarious… you know they’re about to buy the back nine right?
Yep. Pulled? They’re talking the opposite. The advertisers aren’t upset with what they bought. It’s profitable. They believe it’s doing ok for a more competitive Friday Night.
As long as the season comes to Blu-ray I’ll be happy.
LOL then the advertisers must be thrilled with ‘Til Death and Brothers, too!
Nick,
So there is a good chance the show will actually get a full season?
I can’t wait to dance on Dollhouse’s grave when it is cancelled.
“How Dollhouse got a second season is something I still don’t get.”
Mia, probably because FOX didn’t want to appear to burn Joss Whedon twice, after Firefly.
They can say they gave him a fair shake, just in case they want to do business together in the future.
Nick, you’re joking, right? I mean, the fact that you say there’s increased competition on Fridays gives you away. At least be a bit more subtle when you want to pull one over on us.
The ratings are even worse because a big chunk of the TSCC fans took umbrage and aren’t watching anymore.
Expect the Summer Glau episodes, if the show survives that long, to tick up .1 or .2 over whatever the previous week was.
The show will be canceled anyway, but keep an eye out for that tidbit.
TSCC wasn’t a winner by any stretch of the imagination, but it’s still easy to see that Dollhouse’s ratings followed a straight line down while Terminator’s followed a curve that bottomed out.
I wonder what’s going to happen to Southland with it starts up. It plays during the same time slot.
Nick C, I’m not buying it. I’m really not. I expect 13 episodes to get produced and that’s it. And I wouldn’t be surprised if not all of these 13 will air. As much as I like the show, when I see these ratings…
good bye doollhouse. you have been great, but this is a cruel world. i hope all the episodes will air, because i stay tuned with the show!
Well last night’s episode wasn’t much to write home about. They program Echo to lactate, and that makes here a slightly stranger “mom” for a guy, turning her into a stalker. Wow. I can write better than that.
Ya know, I’ve been a big fan, but I think I have to consider walking away. Until Whedon, I never even CARED who directed shows. But having a guy who’s on-again, off-again is getting old.
I tried to give the show a chance, but come on… how are you supposed to watch the lead character get raped in just about every episode and still be invested in the story. Joss just doesn’t get the “eww” part of the story.
Well maybe if 6 million people DVRed the show…
Hahaha.
I don’t know how anyone could possibly argue a case for Dollhouse’s renewal. I don’t care how cheap it is, unless its like $100K and episode it can’t be worth it.
You’ve got people saying Leno is a flop, but even it is nightly kicking the living crap out of Dollhouse.
Oh happy, happy day! FOX is buying the back 9! This is quite possibly the best day of my life to date! Thank you, Nick C, for giving me the hope to live! I remember that last season, each week, without fail, you’d lower the bar Dollhouse needed to be a success, but this is so much better: the show’s already a success! No need to lower anything this time! Yay! I plan on telling each and everyone of my Dollhouse buddies about this news, and we will pass it along as the unvarnished truth I know it to be!
Dollhouse is the most awesome thing that any man has ever created!
Yay, JBF has returned!
I find everything in this article sensible, except the part that claims last night’s episode was OK.
I’m thinking of printing out that JBF comment, framing it, and hanging it on the wall. It’s pure art.
I think we’ll see at least one more episode of Dollhouse. If it does the same or worse next week, I’d be willing to bet that it’s canceled the following Monday.
Dollhouse is cheap to make though.
Look at it this way: Smallville and Dollhouse are getting similar ratings. Difference is, Smallville is $3 million an episode. Dollhouse episodes now cost only slightly more than Epitaph one did (less than a million). The best thing that ever happened to Dollhouse was when Joss showed Epitaph One to Fox execs and they said “Could you film every episode on a budget like that?”
Its not about ratings, exactly. Why do Fox keep Til Death? (a family guy rerun would perform better.)Because Til Death doesn’t cost them much. Dollhouse doesn’t either. Fox seem want to run new scripted programming, and this way, they get to do that, without it costing that much money. They don’t seem that bothered about the Friday night line up doing amazingly well.
As long as Dollhouse continues to be made so cheaply, its not in as bad a position as people think.
I lost count. Is this the fourth or fifth time this week this site has sounded the alarm about Dollhouse?
I can’t believe it would get the back 9 with a .8? A .8?
Gina, where do you come by the $3 million/Smallville episode?
I also remember back when Firefly was canceled that some people speculated FOX purposefully stored some episodes in order to make the DVD set more appealing to fans. Maybe that also factored into the Epitaph One decision? And maybe it will mean FOX wants to end this show with some “bonus” DVD installments left.
Smallville’s DVD sales seem to be much, much better. But we have no insight at all into Dollhouse International licensing vs. Smallville’s.
Oh ye of little Dollhouse faith: given this back 9 announcement, I think it is increasingly clear that this show is a survivor! The worst possibility — that absolutely no one watches and the show records a 0.0 in every demo — would simply mean that there would be a larger potential audience for the show on DVDs, and Hulu, and everywhere else!
How many people are watching the show on Hulu?! Through iTunes?! Via illegal downloads?! I don’t know, and neither do you, but without any evidence to support my idea whatsoever, I am going to say that it’s a LOT! Joss’s fans have always been big on the World Wide Web, and it is incredibly obvious to me that they’re simply turning to alternative methods to watch the show!
A new era in television has arrived! People will be talking about this enormous shift for years to come! And Joss Whedon is leading the way! Yay!
Dollhouse! Dollhouse rules! “True Blood” drools! Dollhouse! Dollhouse! Dollhouse!
Maybe they’ll pull Brothers and give it a better lead-in. Better yet, yank Fringe and give Dollhouse its spot. And some of its supporting cast.
What else can they air on Fridays anyway? The Ghost of Terminator?
If FOX yanked Fringe to save Dollhouse, I would become as nutty as those rabid TSCC fans. Thanksfully, that won’t happen.
Why should they yank Fringe? It was doing OK until it went up against Grey’s and CSI.
Yes, yank the show that can claim actual existing increased competition. Great idea.
A few of you have suggested that it makes better economic sense for Fox to eat the production cost for Dollhouse (and presumably Brothers, whose ratings are equally bad), pull them off the air, and run House or Bones re-runs in their place. But the assumption is that it’s free to run House and/or Bones re-runs on Fox.
I know absolutely nothing about how those contracts are worded. Is it true that it’s free (or nearly free) for Fox to do encore presentations of House, Bones, or other such shows?
Outlander, I don’t think any one here is calling on specific knowledge of any particular show’s deal, but the conventional wisdom is that scripted shows have a certain number of repeat airings baked into their licensing. But you are somewhat correct in that there is some economic cost if only a limited number of repeats are allowed in a deal.
As for Fringe… I hate to say this, but I think Fringe is headed downhill fast. It got hit with a bad case of the “sophomore slumps” from a ratings perspective, and I don’t know that a 2.3 18-49 rating is going to carry the day. From a content perspective, I also feel as though the show has never really gelled for me. The only truly “interesting” character on the entire show is Walter Bishop, and that character is purely in a supporting role. The Olivia Dunham and Peter Bishop characters, IMO, are weak. And this weird interdimensional thing and the bowling alley magical healer guy is just too much for me to deal with. I fear Fringe is not long for this world.
I believe the number usually cited is 1 original airing and 2 repeat airings, which networks almost never achieve in today’s world. It actually is more cost effective to repeat shows since you’ve already paid for the rebroadcast rights, so any advertising money you get is free money, pretty much.
Also, I’ve decided that the worst consequence of Nielsen’s new rules about deleting ratings articles over 2 weeks old is that we lost so many JBF pearls of wisdom.
I would have liked to collect them all and print each one up as a t-shirt.
Julia, you want me to send you a:
Dollhouse! Dollhouse rules! “True Blood” drools! Dollhouse! Dollhouse! Dollhouse!
shirt?
What color?
Pink, please.
Fringe has been a pretty entertaining show. And the ratings are fine for a sci fi against good competition. Besides there is no way they will jeopardize their relationship with JJ Abrams unless the show was really tanking. Expect at least 3 or 4 seasons of Fringe. I love the 2 leads (Torv is amazing to look at, something about her face heh intrigues me) ( Walter as well to be honest ) so to each their own, yes?
Oh and Dollhouse was decent last night. I wish they would show Epitaph 1 around mid season and use the rest of the season to expand on that episode. It won’t help the ratings but they can save some money and also inject some real life into the show for the fans who watch it on Fox and on DVR and Itunes etc. I hope they slow down with the customer of the week bit.
“Will Dollhouse be pulled off the air before all 13 episodes ordered air? At the beginning of the season I wouldn’t have thought there was much chance of that. ”
Oh go on, you have expected it all the time
Well, if Nick C says so I guess its gotta be *g* – he’s wrong about Anna Torv
but he’s probably right about this.
People are going to be shocked all over *g*
Dollhouse has started out very slow. Too bad they couldnt do something better to work off last years momentum. Plus the unaired episode hype must have subsided by now … seems like they couldnt take advantage of that either.
RE: Smallville’s budget. When Tom Welling was directing an episode, he said he jumped at the chance because it was the only time anyone would get a $3 million budget for their first episode.
what you fail to understand is that ratings really do NOT matter for Dollhouse you said it yourself you cannot find a reason why it got a season 2 with its horrible season 1 ratings FOX renewed it when it was getting horrible ratings for a reason = it can accept terrible ratings from Dollhouse because at the end of the day it is profitable for them i agree with Nick C all 13 eps will air for sure and its more likely than not for it to get a back nine order..and soon.
leo says at October 3, 2009 at 2:05 pm:
“Dollhouse … Too bad they couldnt do something better to work off last years momentum.”
I don’t know quite what to make of that statement. I suppose if something falls off a cliff, it does have momentum, but it’s not in a direction that allows you to work off it.
These Dollhouse posts always bring out hilarious reactions. JBF is still my favorite, but tar with the malfunctioning shift key and the amazing run-on sentence was also special. Plus Harold’s ‘momentum from falling off a cliff’ observation.
Before anything, let me say that I love Dollhouse.
That being said, I don’t think that Fox will give DH a back nine order. We can just look at Oct 2nd’s ratings: it did worse than a The Forgotten repeat! Of all shows ABC could air at that time slot, they chose The Forgotten just to see if Dollhouse could beat it. And it didn’t. Since Ugly Betty has yet another week to start, ABC will put another repeat on Fridays and, to humiliate Dollhouse a little longer, they will put in either Eastwick or a The Middle/Hank combo.
But I can see other people’s point (remember: I DO like Dollhouse): it’s cheap to produce, it’s a sci-fi show on Friday (difficult genre AND timeslot), it’s a Joss Whedon show (I loved Buffy, Angel and Firefly), etc, etc… So, long story short, I don’t think Fox will give DH a back nine order, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they did.
PS: The “fall of a cliff momentum” was hilarious! We should make something with all these comments. The are legen – wait for it… – dary!
TrUsT KripKi!!
I think the next episodes ratings will decide if Dollhouse will be airing its remaining episodes of season 2. There taking a week off for baseball so there’s enough time for FOX to chose a show to put re runs at that time.
Goodbye Dollhouse R.I.P.
February 13, 2009 – December 18, 2009 (projected)
I knew Dollhouse would fail. It never had great numbers since the day it premiered. One of the good things about TSCC was that the writing was amazing! No matter what, there was always something going on with the Connor’s that was worth watching, and they had a fantastic cast that could actually act. I love Eliza Dushku, I always have, but Dollhouse doesn’t justify her acting ability.
Call me crazy but I think it will get canceled in May with a full season. Yes, I AM aware of the numbers.
JBF’s back!!!! And silly exuberance! Over a show that just nudged out TB-less Entourage!
But leave True Blood out of it, JBF.
I can believe people are slamming Dollhouse but only because I’m aware of how stupid people are. Last nights episode was fab. It really got across the ethical issues involved and while it didn’t expand on the mythology of the show it was definately the best stand alone to date. I was a fan of TSCC but seriously why are so many fans of that show blaming Dollhouse for its cancellation. Everyones a sheep, ironically this is what Dollhouse is about. For a while it was cool to love Whedon, now its cool to hate Whedon. Dollhouse questions whether current and future events are a direct result of, along with genitics, our past, and whether or not the brain is just a complex computer. TSCC was on its way to being a great show, but get real guys, it was light science fiction, but awesome none the less. Why it struggled in ratings is because of the science fiction element not because of insufficient drama. Dollhouse is proper science fiction now. Its ratings are going to suck, and the more intelligent it gets the more the ratings will plumet. TSCC fans should recognise that trend with their show. Never been on this site before. Do people here actually like television or do they JUST like to talk about shows ratings? Cos thats like of sad.
because I’m aware of how stupid people are. -> Cos thats like of sad.
Yep that undermines my arguement!
arguement!
-> and that argument 
i have to stop posting while drunk. Im not going to re-read this comment. I could be here all night.
Nick – I’d love to believe you’re right, but only if the other eleven episodes that are definitely confirmed are much, much, better than Friday’s.
I really feel that next week the ratings are likely to be poorer than this week, I’d love to be proven wrong however.
There’s one tiny, tiny, barely plausible bit of evidence that kinda sorta backs up Nick’s contention that the current ratings are “OK” as far as Fox are concerned: Fox still isn’t doing any serious advertising for the show. If they were that concerned about ratings, wouldn’t they at least be trying to attract more people to it?
Uh huh. Just like it wasn’t going to come back for a second season. As I said before, you have ZERO credibility.
Fox still isn’t doing any serious advertising for the show. If they were that concerned about ratings, wouldn’t they at least be trying to attract more people to it?
Not necessarily. Advertising takes money. If they have no faith in the show, why advertise it? The lack of marketing almost points to the opposite conclusion.
You are saying this without the numbers being posted. Besides, Nielsen ratings are no longer the most accurate numbers there are. Mybe they did their own count. I have never believed Nielsen ratings to be true. They don’t ever coincide with the 18-34 yr old numbers. Why is that?
So the point of this website really is about the excitment about how many people watch a show and not really about the show itself. I know you can find anything on the internet but why is this in the top few results for a show you search for in google news? This is like X factor for tv shows then. Eeewwuuuu. Oh wait, i just answered my own question. Up there in the top 5 most pathetic websites i’ve ever visited, and yet i’m sure that now i’m aware of it i’ll be back here every dsy. Please tell me you people are aware of how sad this is? At least give me that!
I second that, Aaron.
Connor – I think everyone (even FOX) new that Dollhouse would fail, They just didnt want to believe it.
Anil – I cant see how Dollhouse will get a full season being FOX’s lowest rated series. Til Death has a full season due to a syndication deal with Sony but its ratings are horrible.
Here’s the thing. The DVR numbers do matter. How many Sci-Fi fans don’t have a DVR? Think about it.
From everything I’ve read the only thing Fox wanted the Dollhouse team to do was make the episodes cheaper. I haven’t read a single article where Fox told them they need to get the ratings up.
I also find it weird that Fox doesn’t really promote the show. They have enough faith in the show to give it a second season yet they don’t feel the need to tell people it was on.
As for the Hulu numbers. Fox knows exactly what they are. They can probably even tell if you rewind or stop watching half way through.
It’s not like anything else Fox is doing on Friday is doing any better.
Stephen, they do matter in terms of total viewers, absolutel.
Unfortunately everything we’ve seen leads us to believe they don’t matter hardly at all in terms of advertising revenue.
Last year, it made a bit more difference when Dollhouse had “remote free” limited commercial interruptions (fewer DVR viewers bothered to fast-forward).
I think one of the reasons Fox is giving Dollhouse such a long leash is because it’s Joss W. and they don’t want to be accused of a repeat of the ‘Firefly Incident’.
i’ll see y’all in part III of this post next season!
oh how i wish
Julia – doesn’t show the opposite conclusion because Fox didn’t do any advertising before the season started either. And there’s advertising and there’s advertising, I’m not seeing Dollhouse promos even when it’d be cheap to insert a ten second reference to the show.
In the last month I’ve seen only one Dollhouse ad on TV, outside of that everything has been on Twitter.
Cimmer – Thats why they gave it a second season, rare confidence as well as not wanting to get 110 million emails from fans. The fact that Dollhouse did badly on fridays was a give, FOX decided that when they premiered the show there. Its just if they knew Dollhouse would sink and had no interest in promoting it, why would thye waste $$$ on new eps. I think the eps will be burned off just to air out the series. Also the series isnt a freshman series that they just axe after a few eps, its a show that was renewed after doing badly.
I really don’t understand how Fox’s midseason schedule will be feasible unless something gets canceled.
They have Human Target and Past Life both waiting for slots… Past Life is set to take the 2nd SYTYCD performance hour, but Human Target was scheduled for Glee’s slot in January (according to the Fox press release in May). Now that Glee has a full season, what will they do with the 12 episodes of Human Target they ordered?
Will they cancel Brothers and pair it with Dollhouse? Then where does Til Death go? Sundays, with Sons of Tucson? Will both Dollhouse AND Brothers get canceled to make the Friday line-up Sons of Tucson, Til Death, Human Target? Or do they save their midseason shows for summer and/or the end of other shows’ runs?
@ r0ckmypants,
Regarding Human Target and Glee, I think that Fox’s strategy was to air HT from January until the very end of March or probably the beginning of April and then air Glee for the rest of the Spring. By doing that they could fit both shows into that slot and avoid airing more than 1-2 repeats of anything. Their biggest problem would be if HT were to do well enough to warrant additional episodes, but that of course would be a nice problem to for them to have.
I think that the biggest problem with dollhouse is the time slot. Friday is a big night with a lot of shows all competing and some of them have a loyal following already. I sometimes think they don’t take into account the competition and it’s effect. Every network can’t have a hit two or three hit shows every night.
2.5 Million viewers if the cost per episode is not that high, is really not bad either. Anyway, before canceling they ought to consider a different time slot.
Rock my pants and AO – to answer your comments
Mondays Jan-May
8:00 House
9:00 24
No changes at all.
Tuesdays
8:00 American Idol
9:00 Lie to Me (Jan-March)/Past Life (March-May)
FOX’s current schedule just has Lie to Me but its possible that Lie will air their for a little (if renewed) and then move to fridays at 9, to make room for Past Life
Wednesdays
8:00 American Idol
9:00 Human Target (Jan/Glee
Target prmeieres on Jan 20, 2009 and will air after Idol until March. It has 12 episodes produced so its likely most will air. Glee will have at least 9 eps to air March-May. Theres always a chance Target could be axed.
Thursdays
8:00 Bones
9:00 Fringe
No changes here.
Fridays
8:00 Brothers
8:30 Til Death
9:00 Kichen Nightmares/Lie to Me/Past Life
Any series could replace Dollhouse, but its not set in stone yet.
Sundays (By March)
7:30 American Dad
8:00 The Simpsons
8:30 Sons of Tucson
9:00 Family Guy
9:30 The Cleveland Show
Sons should premiere no earlier than March which means the show shuffling wont take effect until then. This schedule should last through May.
There could be a number of scheduling changes, but Mondays and Thursdays midseason should stay the same.
R.I.P. Dollhouse
I keep reading that Fringe is falling in the ratings, but somewhat stable. And with lesser competition last year, it did decently. It’s probably not a smart idea, in fact it’s a huge risk, but why not move Fringe to Friday at 8? I mean, it’s a science fiction show that is similar to Dollhouse, so the audience might stay put. And I think Fringe could gain more than Ghost Whisperer, so it couldn’t be that bad of an idea. Or try it with a re-run of Fringe if they can do that. I don’t know. They shouldn’t just pull Dollhouse out like that. Outside of trying to pair the show with a better lead-in, how about advertising it better? You look at some of these 15/30 second spots and you can’t tell what’s going on in anything. I read somewhere above about airing Epitaph One. That would probably be a great idea. I don’t know, I think Fox should do more to keep the show alive.
Jon – Fringe + Dollhouse = Lowest rated fridays ever. Fringe moving to fridays would be the kiss of death. FOX wants Fringe to succeed so FOX should leave it on Thursdays. ANything else in the slot would just die.
That’s what they tried with TSCC and we all know how that worked out
Why not move House to Friday. Give 24 the 8:00 slot on Monday American Idol Tues-Wed with Fringe and Lie to Me to build up a larger audience and Keep Bones and Glee on Thrusday.
Cody – Because FOX isnt going to waste the best performing drama on a low rated night and give up the monday competitiion. House repeats could air there but no originals.
I think that after fox burns tmot and kn episodes they should move fringe to Fridays at 8 b4 dollhouse and make it scifi Friday and it might make dollhouse gain 1 or 2 mill viewers more and I think after bones at 8 they should put brothers then til death to make those two comedys gain 1 or 2 mil views more
Dushku just tweeted that she’s on Letterman and Fallon tonight (or maybe tomorrow night, I’m not sure how to read it.) I assume this means they’ve realized they really need to publicize the show, at last.
I am as big Joss fan as anyone and I’m feeling quite shameful on some acts of faith.
I mean, I can agree True Blood is just silly softporn. And I’m watching, supporting Dollhouse even risking my legal rights _I live in Spain, if you know what I mean. Despite of Dollhouse has not reached balance in writing neither in acting.
But I am aware Dollhouse is NOT Buffy, NOT Firefly either. And there are lots of ugly, snob shows getting successfully renewed as good shows cancelled for whatever reasons. Dollhouse is not definitely a bad show but is not a masterpiece at all, and there’s no pain of failing, getting pulled, and moving on. I just hope it is not the last TV work of Joss & Mutant Enemy team.
And I cannot see the point of raging ‘Dollhouse Dollhouse Dollhouse!!’ comments. If someone hesitated of giving it a chance here, I bet they won’t after BJF procclaim.