Our Renew / Cancel Index predicts potential renewal or cancellation for scripted broadcast primetime shows for the 2010-11 season (results through October 4, 2009):
- Likely To Be Canceled By May, 2010
- Some Danger Of Being Canceled By May, 2010
- Likely to Be Renewed For The 2010-11 Season
| Program | Renew/ Cancel Index |
| Law & Order (F) | 0.44 |
| Parks & Recreation | 0.70 |
| Trauma | 0.81 |
| Mercy | 0.81 |
| Law & Order: SVU | 0.93 |
| Heroes | 0.98 |
| Community | 1.04 |
| The Office | 1.44 |
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Parks & Recreation started slowly, and disastrously for its future, this season. Maybe putting Community ahead of it starting this Thursday can pick up its ratings, or maybe it will kill Community too. We’ll know soon enough. Law & Order may be back with originals on cable next season, but don’t expect to see them first on NBC.
Although SNL: Weekend Update is a scripted show, since it was limited run, I’m not including it.
This is a breakdown of NBC scripted shows and their renewal and cancellation prospects. Here are links to the other networks:
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Notes:
The Renew/Cancel Index is a show’s Season To Date adults 18-49 rating divided by its network’s Season to Date average 18-49 rating. If a show’s season to date 18-49 ratings average equalled its network’s 18-49 average, the show would have an Index of 1.00. Without special factors, scripted shows that were more than 10% below their network’s average are typically canceled by the end of the broadcast primetime season.
Factors that could cause a show to be renewed with well below average index:
- (F) -Fridays: Shows airing on Friday’s have been renewed with significantly lower than average Indexes.
- (S) – Syndication: Shows nearing syndication (66-88 episodes), often have economic factors that trump ratings leading to renewal.
- (T) – Third Party: Shows that have a portion of their cost underwritten by a 3rd party can be renewed with substantially lower ratings.
Factors that could cause a show to be cancelled with an above average index:
- (p) – Plum timeslot: Shows in plum time slots with average or slightly above average ratings have been cancelled.
What’s the History of the Index and How Did It Do In the Past? Check out the results from the 2007-8 season and the 2008-9 season.
Nielsen TV Ratings Data: ©2009 The Nielsen Company. All Rights Reserved. All ratings used are Live+Same Day viewing.
I think the time shift will hurt Community and it certainly won’t help Parks & Recreation. P&R’s “Kath & Kim” numbers are currently writing its epitaph.
With Heroes so miserable in the ratings, how is it still green? I’m assuming this is because compared to the rest of NBC its doing alright.
Bill, do you really think Heroes will be back next year? Come to think of it- what can NBC do, cancel all its scripted shows except SVU, the Office, 30 Rock and Community ?
skylar, in renewal and cancellation decisions Heroes doesn’t compete with CBS shows (or other networks) only other NBC shows (plus NBC’s development slate, which we don’t try and evaluate), so its ratings *relative* to other NBC shows are all that matters.
Although note that through the two “official” weeks of this season that Heroes is still declining where the NBC 18-49 average was stable. That trend bodes ill for the show.
Don’t hold your breath. Community’s numbers are about to go downtown.
Heroes is currently doing worse than Chuck did at the end of last season and Chuck was on cancellation watch all season long. That shows just how badly things have gotten for NBC that if Chuck were to return with the same numbers it left with that it would be safely in the green zone.
As for the Community/P&R question, I sadly think that Community won’t help P&R at all. If anything, the time shift is going to severely hurt Community’s numbers. And that’s too bad too because Community has been incredible so far and P&R S2 has been worlds ahead of P&R S1.
Heroes’s renewal / cancellation depends alot of how Parenthood and Persons Unknown , even Chuck perform NBC wont want to cancel its #1 drama which is currently Heroes but if maybe 2 of hose three do better they can let it go
To elaborate: I’m pretty sure that the Chuck season finale had a 2.4 in the 18-49 demo and Heroes had a 2.3 last night (subject to change of course).
Mercy and Trauma are 50/50. Both will air out until Heroes is done, but its likely 1 will get additional episodes and the other will finish up after 13. Both are likely to be replaced by Persons Unknown and Parenthood. Community and Parks and 8 will kill both shows so I still think to save Community, NBC should air it after The Office and move 30 Rock to 8. Heroes should be gone after this year, but if NBC accepts lower numbers then it will stay. Law and Order could return on NBC next year.
P&R had an uptick in ratings this last week. Also, the NBC boards and other boards are all consistently buzzing about how good the show is this season (It really is way better than the first season!)
With The Office in season 6 (although holding up well, so far) and NBC not having a deep bench, P&R will likely grow in ratings and then will get a full season pick up and even picked up for next season. Community is almost as good and due to NBC’s lack of bench will tag along in much the same manner.
Michael – I agree Heroes numbers are pretty bad, however NBC has nothing else…..
CK – The problem is the SNL updates are hurting the entire night. NBC should have premiered 30 Rock with the other 3 comedies and at 8. I believe The Office, 30 Rock and Community will be the only 3 comedies returning to NBC in fall of 2010. Parks will likely be axed in May.
I only watch TV online so I pay no attention to time slots or what the schedules look like on TV. I am really surprised that NBC only has 9 programs (10 once 30 Rock returns) airing. Do they have other shows coming up in the fall besides 30 Rock? What do they use to fill the airtime? No wonder the ratings are so low, they don’t have anything on trying to grab new viewers.
Dan- You know, awhile ago you and I agreed that they’d probably ax Mercy and give more to Trauma. However, now that Trauma has been on the air and kinda sucked, ratings-wise, I’m thinking that looks better for Mercy.
And yea, Parks will probably be done. But don’t worry, NBC LOVES Amy – so they’ll probably put her in something else. Not that it’ll be any better, but hey.
Community will not help P&R. If anything, its numbers will suffer from both the timeshift so soon in its life, and being paired with “The Office” rip-off.
I’ve actually learned something with P&R. Who knew that creators and writers of “The Office” could rip THEMSELVES off??
Time to finally kill Law & Order. The show’s lost any relevancy, and now it’s just pure comedy in its fight to be relevant(I’m going to prosecute the Bush administration!). It’s been too long. Take it out back and kill it.
I say bring back Chuck now on Weds. It can not go back to Mondays, there are too many good shows on Mondays, look whats happening to Heroes on Mondays. That show Mercy is awful, Weds. is a weaker night for show on the networks, bring Chuck back the first week of November sweeps. When NBC brings back CHUCK IN EARLY NOVEMBER PLEASE TRY TO REMEMBER TO PROMOTE THE SHOW BEFORE IS RETURNS.
It won’t be long before SVU is pulling better numbers than Heroes. Trauma is going down. Mercy has a good chance for renewal.
I can’t see Community helping P&R’s ratings. I really like P&R and I’ll be sad to see it go.
And about Chuck, I thought its finale pulled a 2.0, not a 2.4. I’m not sure on this though.
nkinsey – Yeah, I think we both thought Trauma would get more eps and Mercy would be axed. While I believe both shows will air out all episodes, due to costs its likely Trauma will stop at 13 episodes and Mercy will get up to 17-18. Neither will get pulled though.
Man…I really don’t want them to kill Community! I have really been enjoying that show.
Can somebody explain something to me- why does NBC love Amy Poehler so much? Is there really any evidence that viewers like her?
“if Chuck were to return with the same numbers it left with that it would be safely in the green zone”
Yeah and if Heroes had returned with the numbers it left with it would still be NBC’s darling child.
Nothing against Chuck, but not even Biggest Loser and SVU returned to their old numbers, so with the current pitiul state of NBC, it’s not likely Chuck will.
I’m one of those viewers who watched Parks and Recs during the first season premiere and thought it was terrible. I happened to catch I think the second episode of S2 a week or two ago, and it has really, really improved in quality. Hopefully they can lure more people back in to sample it again, because I think they might like what they see!
The practical part of me says that the Community shift will just cause Community to bomb, though.
parks and recreation is terrible!! NEEDS TO GO…NBC cancelled My Name is Earl and Chuck because they “thought” Parks and Recreation was going to be a hit…and it was terrible..I say replace Parks and Recreation and Mercy with My Name is Earl and Chuck..that would get ALOT more viewers..WHO AGREES???
Brendan, NBC didn’t cancel Chuck. It is scheduled to return in the spring.
that’s what I heard
Brendan, here’s a link to a press release dated September 21st that talks about the upocoming season premiere of Chuck:
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/09/21/southland-and-chuck-nbc-com-gives-viewers-a-chance-to-play-catch-up-before-the-season-premieres/27909
Dan- I agree both shows will air out their last eps.
considering how expensive Trauma is they could “temporarily” shut down production tll all the filmed episodes air then officially cancel it
I know that people have called for an early return of CHUCK but there is little chance of that happening. NBC feels their revenue potential is highest if the show returns in March. Unless MERCY and TRAUMA both drop below 1.0 CHUCK is not coming back early.
Agree with most of the others that Community will drop at 8, hopefully it will be at least 10-20% higher than the SNL updates though. I don’t know what NBC was thinking by delaying 30 Rock… show gets Emmy love, Emmy’s see a small spike in ratings so potentially new people might hear about it and want to check it out, then you hold the show’s premiere for another month instead of showing it that week? Plus who over at NBC actually thought having more SNL Thursdays was a great idea in a non – presidential election year? I guess they thought Amy Poehler on both shows would somehow help P&R, but clearly that plan backfired. Be interesting to see the ratings this week and then what NBC does if Community holds up but P&R remains steady or if they both bring in poor results.
As much as I’d love me some new Chuck episodes before March, I agree with Jack that it’s unlikely to happen. If they have to pull something, I doubt they’d use Chuck as their filler, unless they get really desparate and use Chuck reruns (which would help Chuck in the spring but has little to no chance of happening). More likely they would fill the slot with either a new show scripted they’ve opted for or some cheap reality show. I think NBC really likes the idea of straight, short seasons this year (like Heroes this fall, Chuck and formerly Day One this spring) and I don’t see them airing 6-9 episodes of Chuck this fall only to break the season by the Olympics. Would be a pretty bad move on their part. Better to start the show in March with hopefully decent advertising during the Olympics. Then again, this is NBC we’re talking about.
I’m also worried that 8PM will hurt Community. I just hope that it can hold enough of it’s ratings to keep it on the air. I know NBC likes to nurture comedies so they will give it some slack. Parks and Recreation is actually much better then it was last season. If Community does take a hard hit in ratings NBC may just write off the time slot as those shows are doing the best NBC can do at 8PM. And the SNL Thursday was a bad idea for a non-election year. NBC should have known that, but they probably figured it was like Leno, it doesn’t need to do great because it’s so cheap they will still make money.
30 Rock was delayed due to Tina and Alec having film shoots this summer. There were not available (as actors) for produciton on 30 Rock until a few weeks ago.
Community will fare worse at 8:00 for it has benefitted from The Office. Community should do better than SNL Updates and I am very optimistic for P&R as indicated in a previous post.
CK, This show comes every late October
Usually at 9:30pm/8:30pm Central
Its going to be interesting to see how Community holds up at 8PM and what NBC’s reaction to the inevitable drop will be. Do they stick with it at 8 or move the schedule around even further to try and rescue the situation? It says something though that Community is their second biggest scripted show at this point…
I decided to give this week’s episode of “Parks and Recreation” a look because I was told it’s drastically improved from last season. I then promptly disowned the buddy who told me this, as punishment for lying to me. Seriously, why is it seemingly impossible for Greg Daniels to ever get any chemistry at all in his shows? It’s like he and the casting folks (I’m too lazy to look up the names, but whoever they are, they should be banned from Hollywood) don’t even bother to do line readings with these people before they cast them. This show has no chemistry whatsoever. Like, none. At all. Nick Offerman is clearly just showing up to collect a paycheck. Paul Schneider is totally wasted. And the Indian guy is horrible. I don’t even know how he got a callback, let alone the part. Forget about getting Amy Poehler a better show. Get Chris Pratt one. He’s the only person who even registers a pulse on this thing.
It just irritates the hell out of me that “Kath & Kim,” which was brilliantly-cast and loaded with chemistry, got dumped for this miscast trainwreck.
I dont think Chuck is coming back early. NBC will probably stick to their original plan.
Community will have a considerable drop airing at 8 and its likely Parks will do around the same.
I agree with Riff about Pratt. He’s the stsndout so far to me too.
Community has some nice buzz behind it so it should definitely do better than Weekend Update but I’m sure it’ll be significantly lower than its 9:30 numbers
It’s probably too late for Parks to save itself which is a shame because it drastically improved this season and has actually been a nice addition to the Thursday Night comedy block
Trauma and Mercy both are absolutely awful shows and their numbers will most likely continue to decline so hopefully they both are cancelled and not given full season orders (although if I had to pick one I would say Mercy has a better shot)
And Heroes probably should be canceled but it still does well compared to the rest of the lineup so it probably has one or two more seasons left in the tank
I really think NBC will hold on to L&W until it breaks the longest drama record held by Gunsmoke then give it a graceful departure.
“I really think NBC will hold on to L&W until it breaks the longest drama record held by Gunsmoke then give it a graceful departure.”
It will moved to cable like, Law and Order: CI
I too love Parks & Rec, and am worried about its prospects. However if Community can stay above a 2.0, I think Parks will too. Will that be good enough to see respective 2nd/3rd seasons? Probably not but who knows? Now if Community can average around a 2.2-2.3 and Parks can average a 2.4-2.5 in the hour, the night may just stay put, even into next season.
I think NBC will do a hyped final season for L&O similar to ER’s final season. L&O will get a very short 21st season of maybe 13 episodes to wrap it up in 2010-2011.
Tommy – With 16 episodes, I had originally envisioned this season as the last for Law & Order. However with NBC’s other series doing crappy, I dont know what to think anymore.
I don’t know why NBC didn’t do the following:
8:00: 30 Rock
8:30 Parks and Recreation
9:00 The Office
9:30 Community
-30 Rock’s had 3 seasons behind The Office-isn’t it time to give somebody else (and a very worthy somebody else, imo) a chance? Especially a chance that lasts more than three weeks..
-Tina Fey’s fans could easily want to check out Amy Poehler…the two should be paired together…
Community’s going to die. All Thursday promotion is going toward the Office wedding, and nothing else….
trauma is just one expensive mess
The way NBC has declined, I seriously doubt Chuck will return with the same numbers it had last year. I expect its numbers to drop at least a little, all the returning NBC shows have dropped a from last season. Heroes went from about a 2.8 last season to a 2.3 so far this season. If Chuck’s highest was a 2.4, I would expect around a 2.0/2.1 at best.
Chuck’s DVD sales weren’t all that great, so I don’t expect it to have grown a huge audience while in hiatus.
Everything NBC is has out slowly wilting away. I’d never thought I would see them is such a state.
Jordan – I said the exact same thing almost word for word. 30 Rock had time for retention out of The Office, its time to give another show a chance, so NBC should leave Community at 9:30 and have 30 Rock lead off the night.
I think the reason that NBC wont put 30 Rock on at 8 is because they know it will fail without The Office as it’s lead in. And NBC likes winning those Emmys, they are the only good buzz NBC gets these days.
johnthemon:
Chuck’s Season 2 finale numbers: 2.4 in the 18-49 demo, 6.2 million total viewers.
Max,
Chuck S2 dvd’s havent been released yet.
Based on those numbers and what everything else has fallen on average, i would expect CHUCK to get what Trauma/Mercy are getting.
CHUCK will get a boost when it comes back and quickly settle then drop and then slowly build. It is what it has done every season.
If Heroes can go up to a 2.5 then I think that it might survive, however any lower and I think NBC will give up. Hopefully the show will increase. I’m not sure about Chuck if it gets good promotion and it seems to have a strong fan base then maybe it will return to 2.1’s? But more importantly in my mind is when Day One ends what will replace it?
Trauma, Parks & Recreation and Law & Order will be canceled.
Mercy is 50/50
This conversation suddenly became ALL ABOUT CHUCK.
Why am I not surprised??
Ouch, I can’t believe Parks and Recreation is doing that bad. It’s not the best TV ever but it’s good enough for The Office to have ripped off its entire format!*
And Community isn’t my favorite new show this season, but it’s up there (behind Modern Family– definitely the best new show this season). I hope it turns around. The blonde is too cute for TV to lose.
Mercy is a show that actually has some really good writing. I was surprised when I saw the last episode. It’s really sharp sometimes. But its problem is that the lead actress just isn’t likable enough to sell it. It’ll continue to go down. It’s too bad. With a slightly different cast I think it could have been a hit.
* Kidding.
Tommy – The problem with NBC’s thinking is that with 30 Rock at 9:30 they can have a storng 9-10 but their 8-9 will fall flat with 2 newcomers. They need to have 30 Rock lead the night off.
ABC fanatic – Parks and Trauma being gone in May is a given, but Law & Order may be shifted to cable or something since its still doing OK for NBC. It does have a 16 episode order but NBC hasnt announced this to be its final year, which is odd for such a rather long running series. Mercy is 50/50 but given its declining ratings it will likely get more episodes then be gone by February.
Some clarification, Chuck best performance last season was 3.0 demo and 8,5 million viewers, although that was 3d episode, outside that it was 7,7 m and 2.6 demo or 6,9 m and 2.7 if we look at best demo performance.
While i agree that returning Chuck early in it’s old slot won’t be any good for a show, i would not be so opposed if they tried it on wednesday. Also Chuck had one thing that other series (outside 30 rock/office) didn’t – lots and lots of positive word of mouth, with last 6 episodes or so getting glowing reviews and viewers opinions.
Also one of the things that renew/cancel index miss is the cost of the show. While it might have been ok for a show that cost $2 million to be getting around 2.5 demo (and since it was licensed only by NBC from WB, the figure was probably quite a bit lower than that for them), it’s completly not ok to show like Trauma getting below 2.0, while it costs $4 million or even Heroes that still probably cost above $3 million (although in Heroes case it will turn profitable for NBC for sure, DVD/BD sales are still quite good, and it probably will sell well abroad).
I think Chuck will be able to maintain a 2.1-2.4 range. But will that be enough for a 4th season?
mojoJojo, I was talking about the Season 1 dvd sales.
Moving Community wasn’t a good idea, its going to hurt it numbers, and trying to wedge Park in between community and the Office is going to alienate viewers who cant stand Parks. what They should have done was move The Office to 8pm. then Community at 8:30, then 30 Rock at 9PM, then P&R at 9:30.
I’m hoping Community stays alive solely because most everything on NBC is tanking and it actually shows the slightest bit of promise. :-/
Whoever set up the NBC schedule for Thursday nights with the time switches and poor use of established show lead-ins should be either fired or shot, whichever comes first.
Moving Community to this new slot doesn’t seem smart to me. It paired well with The Office and might have caught on there over time. 30 Rock has had several seasons to catch on and hasn’t shown much of a pulse in the post-Office slot, so there would be little harm in moving that to the 8pm eastern time.
I really like “Community,” and this last episode (Seize the Day!) was the best one so far. I worry that the 8:00 time slot will be too “family-friendly” for such a quirky, off-beat show. I like Amy Poehler, but I’m not big on P&R. I think “Community” will be better off it remains linked to “The Office.”
Some guy – But if they move The Office to 8, any show that airs in the competitive 9 slot against CSI and Grey’s will be crushed. I still think everyone agrees the schedule should look like this.
8:00 30 Rock
8:30 Parks and Recreation
9:00 The Office
9:30 Community
Its better to lead the night off with a veteran rather than a new series.
Some danger of being cancelled by May, 2010? “Trauma” is in serious danger of being of being cancelled by November, 2009. This is the first NBC show gone, no doubt about it.
“Community” will last the season, at the very least, on account of a lack of things to replace it (and on account of how wretched “100 Questions” is), but it’s the biggest disappointment of the season for me. It seems to have all the pieces, it just doesn’t have any of them in place. And bringing in John Michael Higgins to upstage the entire cast this week just magnified 1) how much funnier “Kath & Kim” was, and 2) how weak the show’s regular cast actually is. I guess I just expected “Parks” to not have been cast well, since “The Office” wasn’t, either, but Dava Waite-Peaslee did the casting on “Community,” so the show’s total lack of chemistry was surprising to me. I guess you can’t always catch lightning in a bottle — at least not the way that “My Name Is Earl” caught it. I hope that the money NBC saved on a cheaper program and the ability to own a piece of another studio’s show was worth it to them, because they sure didn’t upgrade creatively.
Riff, last fall I had a separate category for “cancelled early”, and I decided not to do that this fall, so all the shows in danger get the same tag.
Community is fun. It’ll get killed at 8 p.m. Even I won’t be watching it on TV at 8 (I’ll watch online instead). Too much competition, no dual tuner.
The masses are correct that 30 Rock should’ve gone to 8 p.m. so that Community could stay at 9:30 and get a good lead-in. 30 Rock would’ve dropped in the ratings, but not as much as Community will. Community probably won’t do any better than the SNL specials (although I hope to be surprised). If Futurama couldn’t sustain itself in a new timeslot when Fox moved it after only 3 episodes airing behind the Simpsons, then Community won’t have a chance either.
30 Rock could probably manage at least a 2.2 in the demo at 8. NBC, in its current pathetic state, would accept that.
It’s time for NBC to cancel all of these horribly performing series and order new and exciting pilots. There’s only so much quirky comedy a person can take. I love 30 Rock and like the Office but Parks and Community are just overkill. Follow the example of Big Bang Theory and get a show that has heart, instead of the usual quirky people doing stupid quirky things.
@ Dan. I Agree that Thursdays schedule should look like that. But like I was saying NBC needs all the good buzz they can get, and 30 Rock is Emmy gold for them. So they have to give it the coveted post The Office timeslot to keep it from collapsing. 30 Rock at 8PM would be pulling Parks and Recreation #s. But I do agree with you that it is time for 30 Rock to prove itself without cushion from The Office, but I don’t think we’ll ever see that happen.
Why is Community an automatic goner at 8pm? The competition?
Just curious, because it’s the one thing almost everyone agrees on, so much so that it’s basically common knowledge, yet I still have no clue why.
@used, 8PM has a lower amount of viewers then the 9PM hour. That combined with The loss of a leadin that is a strong as The Office hurts it’s odds. I’m not a big believer in the leadin theory, but when it comes to 30 minute sitcoms I feel that the 8:30 and 9:30 sitcoms are heavily dependent on whats on at 8PM and 9PM. So having The Office as a leadin is a huge boost to whatever follows it. But having to be the leadin (like Community at
is harder especially when your a new show. But that’s just my theory on things. I could be way out in left field on that 
At this point nothing NBC seems to do works. Remember when everyone was worried about 30 Rock in its first season? I don’t think P&R and Community are even coming close to those cancellation worry causing numbers that 30 Rock had in S1.
Remember how the past few seasons everyone was saying that “ER” was a rotting corpse. Up against its former self, yes it was, but Southland, Trauma, and Mercy COMBINED probably aren’t gonna equal total viewers for the later seasons of ER.
Leno will probably continue next season because despite lower ratings than they probably expected it still doesn’t cost near as much to produce as NBC’s scripted shows.
If you are a fan of any shows on NBC besides the following you probably should start worrying about your show and its chances for survival:
The Office
The Biggest Loser
30 Rock
L&O (flip a coin to see who stays and who goes between the two)
I would be very surprised if Leno doesn’t get renewed. They took a huge chance with this idea and I doubt they want to admit crushing defeat until they have found something resembling a buzz show. Something the network hasn’t seen since Heroes S1.
5-10 years ago you could have called ABC, NBC, and CBS the “big 3″ networks. This assessment has changed and you almost have to say ABC, NBC, CBS, and FOX are now considered “the big 4″. Not because FOX has risen drastically in ratings, but more likely because NBC has took a nose dive off the cliff and they look hell bent on seeing how far down rock bottom can really get.
What happened? Was it the loss of Friends? The American Idol juggernaut causing people to jump ship to FOX?
When Heroes is doing as poorly as it has been and it still ranking at #2 least likely to be cancelled for the network thus far you can tell how bad of shape NBC is in.
Just imagine the weekly NBC averages if they didn’t have sunday night football? Could they be headed towards CW level lows in the not to distant future or can they rebound?
Gleebo, everybody in broadcast is down, every year, as a general rule for the last 25 years. Fox has shown relative strength in the years since Idol appeared.
NBC might be heading towards CW numbers from several seasons ago, but not CW numbers from *this* season. The CW is down more than NBC is in most demos.
I think its funny that the 2 shows in the 8 o’clock hour on thursday is Community and Parks & Recreation!!! Make it a Community Service Hour!!! The Community will go out and help the parks program (Parks & Recreation) to make the Community a better place!!!
I’m kinda mad Community is moving to 8. I watch FlashForward live and DVR Vampire Diaries at 8. Community is the only NBC show I watch and I have only watched the pilot episode. The rest are sitting on my DVR waiting for a boring day for me to watch them. NBC needs to clean up primetime and get better shows! They’re all horrible!!
Oh and I think it’s time to move 30 Rock to 8pm. I mean its been after The Office for awhile and wins so many awards every year. And if those two factors have to be good for it to do decent at 8. I mean they need to use The Office slot for new shows. Their 8 o clock hour on Thursdays are weak!
Maybe it is time to put NBC out to pasture, or maybe it is time that the GE Board of Directors fire Jeff Immelt and Jeffrey Zucker. Something needs to happen before this major network sinks.
I really think Community will be good at 8 since there is lesser competition at 8. Also Law and Order SVU is a great show that I love that will definitely get renewed for season 12. Alexandra Cabbot is coming back to the show in 2 weeks and its getting good numbers in the 8 million mark. Better than the show that aired there last year.
Do the Nielsen Ratings only reflect the viewers on the specified air date? Or do they also account for online views through hulu, fancast, and network website streams?
I’ve been hearing a lot from random places that NBC’s ratings are failing but these are also the only shows I find palatable whatsoever.
I’m not saying I have good or bad taste in TV shows, but the only times I even turn the TV on is for;
House-Monday
P&R, The Office, and Community- Thursday
I watch other shows [Heroes, It's Always Sunny...] via hulu throughout the week.
I’ll also admit I was happy with the SNL Thursday, and I don’t like 30 Rock at all.
Is there anywhere you can find an age distribution breakdown of all the networks? I would think NBC does well with the younger crowd [also fox], all the older watchers seem to like the reality shows. Survivor, American Idol, Big Brother etc. Not me.
Found a link kinda related to my age question from the chicago tribune.
http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2009/aug/31/entertainment/chi-tc-tvcolumn-old-0828-0831aug31
There’s a lot of old people watching TV it seems if the median age groups are 50 or over for the big 4. Nothing against that, but NBC’s shows are more directed to younger crowds so they are automatically going to dip if they don’t have any appeal to the older crowd.
Community is the greatest show I’ve seen on network TV in a long time.
It was nice knowing you Community…
Tommy – I see where your going but they cant help 30 ROck forever, especially when their two 8:00 comedies are relatively new. It was different when Earl aired at 8 because it was used to help the 8:30 series. Now 30 Rock is the second oldest veteran comedy NBC has. If NBC wants to help Community out (which they should) they will take 30 Rock’s possible drop and move Community back to 9:30.
Heradite – Despite the worst possbile ratings you can think of, Community isnt going anywhere. Dont count that comedy out, it has good reviews and I believe NBC will do everything they can to save it. The Office, 30 Rock, and Community are the 3 comedies I can see surviving this season.
usedtolovecoco writes, “Why is Community an automatic goner at 8pm?”
Well, you’ve seen the ratings and you’ve seen the show.
Me? I see NBC just had to show me with my bold “This is the first NBC show gone” proclamation. Let’s fix that so we’ll get this one right.
“Trauma is the second NBC show gone.”
Wait, they’re not planning on ridding themselves of all things Warner by finally dumping that noxious thing in my gravatar, are they? Okay, scratch that.
“Trauma is the first NBC freshman show gone.”
On second thought, have they even recast whatsherface’s part on “Parenthood” yet? Are they, uh, going to one of these days? Alrighty… um… let’s see here.
“Trauma is the first, second or third freshman and/or otherwise NBC show that is ostensibly not going to be ren–” Oh, screw it — NBC, WILL YOU JUST HURRY UP AND PULL THE PLUG ALREADY?! How dare you screw up my bold prediction with your out-of-left-field pre-cancellation of “Southland!” How DARE you!
Yes, they have, Riff.
Lauren Graham has been cast in Maura Tierney’s role =).