Just a 3.0? 3.0 is alright.

Well, i didn’t know it was the 30 Rock season premiere so they sould have promote it al little more.

darn, I hoped community would grow this week. At least it’s keeping Parks & Rec afloat. Office held pretty well off the niagara episode, always love to see it beat CSI.

Great to see Flashforward go back up a little.

Let me add: Especially for NBC.

Vampire Diaries is within 0.1 of Parks and that could change by the time the final numbers are in.

well it’s down a lot compared to last year’s premiere is the point. However, if I’m not wrong around in may 30 rock was grabbing around a 2.6.

Good for Bones… As always.

FlashForward hung on well. and it will definitely see a second season based on how ABC is having a lot of trouble getting a good drama these days. And Grey’s was still great, and Private Practice did great too. I think it was up because Bailey was on there. It still baffles me how 30 Rock wins all these awards based on these numbers. That shows that the emmy winners are shows nobody watches.

I hope Fringe isn’t over, love that show.
So is FlashForward a keeper?

im so glad The Vampire Diaries is doing so well, id like to see it over the 4mil mark tho, last nights episode was soooo good!

Fringe is looking kinda low, my mother will be quite upset if they some how cancel that show

Wooo @ Vampire Diaries. It’s reaching a 2.0 and it’s on CW!!!!! Nice to see Private practice holding up nicely.

I really wish NBC would give “Community” a better time slot. 9:00 or 9:30 would be more appropriate. This show is hysterical! The tribunal in the pool area last night was classic!

3.0 for an adult demo for 30 Rock for NBC is pretty good compared to the rest of its shows. I guess, though, that 30 Rock probably couldn’t do much better without “The Office” as a lead in . It lost 1.7 million viewers and 25% of the key demo.

Leno actually got more viewers than both Community and P&R without being substantially behind either in the key demo.

why are the 18-34 numbers in the averages, but not on the chart? NBC was #2 in 18-34, so which shows pulled what?

I’m so happy the Vampire Diaries is doing well. It really is a well written show and I absolutely love it.

I’m shocked about 30 rock though. With all the awards and recognition Tina Fey has recieved. Maybe she should bust out a Sarah Palin skit.

NBC needs to realize that premiering 30 Rock a month after the fall season starts isn’t a good idea. People already have their TV viewing schedules set. They have yet to figure this out for some reason. They treat the show as if it isn’t winning Emmys for them each and every season.

Wow, The Vampire Diaries could possible get to 2.0 if their streak continues!

30 Rock did okay for me last year Tina Fey had the ‘Sarah Palin impersonation” hype so it help boost 30 Rock. But I guess these numbers shows 30 Rock will fall hard if NBC decides to put in on 8pm.

And great to see FlashForward went up.

Very healthy Private Practice numbers.

Hey NBC, you were wrong to cancel ‘My Name is Earl.”

Karma bitches.

Ack, Fringe does look low. Can’t remember what it did last week. I’m also glad that FlashForward did about the same (up a slight bit?) as last week. Maybe it’s stabalizing? Or too early to tell? I dunno but it could be worse.

Naturally I’m in the ‘swap 30 Rock with Community’ boat. I’m still enjoying Community and hope it does better in coming weeks. I really don’t know what to make of it’s ratings at this point, just hope NBC gives it a chance after this season like they did Parks. It at least deserves that much.

Fringe just has a tough spot….
The office has its viewers
Grey’s is Grey’s
CSI is a stalewart…..

tough for a sci-fi to put a dent there. As long as they get 2.0 it’ll be fine.

Good for FF and Fringe looks like it will get an AI lead in to take it out of the brutal timeslot because its still doing good comparitlvly

I’m happy with the Vampire Diaries. It’s the one thing the CW has done right. I wasn’t expecting to like it so much.

VD now biting into Bones… ‘s audience? (Sorry, title jokes aren’t my thing).

Really, everything appears down a tick, with no event to explain it. Only CSI recovered slightly from last week.

I’m not sure whether to view Fringe as worrying (that they didn’t pick up any of the “missing” viewers from last week’s GA & Office) or encouraging (that they were flat in a monster of the week episode vs. a major mythology one). Still, Fringe’s ratings will not get better in this timeslot, and that likely means a cancellation, if no better timeslots free up.

PD didn’t get much of a boost from the half-crossover. The percentage of GA viewers that watch the mothership and do not bother with PD seems fixed.

NBC is down, but it’s still higher than it was two weeks ago with SNL at the 8:00 spot and The Office pulling high 3′s

Good to see Survivor Samoa over Flashforward; looks like Survivor’s ratings are up. CSI is up to 15 million total viewers — great!

So, CSI and the Mentalist beat Grey’s in overall viewers? I would think that’s significant to CBS. Wouldn’t be surprised to see a press release about the most watched show’s of Thursday even though obviously they didn’t win the key demo.

Think those Private Practice numbers are pretty low. Think Grey’s mojo must be wearing off. Bailey guest starred on Private Practice last night, that either wasn’t promoted well enough (which could definitely be the case), or people are beginning not to care as much.

To all those worrying about Fringe’s numbers let me quote Bill’s post above:
“While NBC and Fox tied in adults 18-49 for the night with 2.4 ratings, they’re headed in opposite directions vs. last season. Last season Fox averaged a 1.4 18-49 rating on the night (Hole in the Wall, Kitchen Nightmares), but NBC averaged a 3.5 (My Name is Earl, ER)

FOX is up considerably from last year so I do really they are okay with Fringe’s performance.

Not surprised by the decrease of Grey’s Anatomy. Those new people were awful.

VD might lose some momentum as its airing a repeat next week (all the cw shows that started 1 week early will be in repeats that week which is like everything except GG, OTH and Smallville i think)

@Forg, My Name is Earl didn’t do any better than community’s doing now. It was pulling low 2′s and even went down to a 1.8 once.

ER, yes did much better than Leno is doing.

Flash forward sure lost a lot of steam… 9 million, 3.2… down from 3.9 4.0 from the two first episodes. I understand thought, they didn’t give us anything in 4 episodes, so I guess people got bored and left. Yesterday’s episode was a terrible house rip-off, a medical drama with no good acting, or good case or nothing, and like every other episode, the 5 last second of an episodes gives you a important piece of information…

Fringe is steady, even up a little I think… But still, its painful to see the numbers.

As for VD, wow, this is the new flagship of of the CW. its good to see its working “well”

Hah, thanks forg, missed that. That’s always reassuring but I guess I always hope that (and it being a JJ show) is enough. Interesting Cody, but I haven’t heard about it moving from this timeslot yet. I wouldn’t mind it going behind AI just to boost numbers but so long as Fox isn’t expecting too much in its current timeslot I’m fine.

What are the average numbers for FlashForward in that whole one hour slot? I’m not sure how to read it in half hour increments, haha.

I don’t think the ending part of 30 Rock will be released on the dvd when it gets released next year.

Lame; I wanted 30 Rock to be higher. Hopefully this 4.0 Office is a regular thing and keeps CSI in 3rd place for the half-hour.

I see no reason for Grey’s to be down while Practice/Flash are up.

On a comparative basis Vampire did better than Bones whose star used to be the titular star of another vampire show…

Since 30 Rock just started up again, I decided to look at all the shows this year that critics have given at least a B average.

Cable Dramas: Damages, Rescue Me, Sons of Anarchy; Big Love, In Treatment; Mad Men, Breaking Bad; Tudors, Nurse Jackie, Dexter; Being Human, Torchwood
Other Cable: Top Chef; Project Runway
Flight of the Conchords, Curb Your Enthusiasm; Archer, It’s Always Sunny
Of the 10 at 80+, 8 are dramas; then there’s Runway & Enthusiasm.

Broadcast: Lost, Modern Family; Glee, House; The Good Wife; Office, 30 Rock. Only Modern Family’s in the 80’s. I wonder if Glee & Modern Family, also the top 2 rated new original shows this season, will be competition for 30 Rock at the Emmys…

if you exclude Leno from the average, NBC had a 2.75 for the night. What a drag.

Tory – they definitely could of promoted it more. I mean the case Bailey went there for was on Grey’s Anatomy. So on Grey’s she should of been like There’s a kidney in Santa Monica and I’m going to see Addison. They jut advertised her being on there, they should of made it sound more like a crossover.

Fox is probably okay with their 9pm slotholder’s performance.

Whether they are happy with Fringe there, and its price tag, specifically, is another story.

They could look at the license fee and exclaim “Why are we paying this rate for 2.1s!”…

or they could be saying “We need a big, expensive show to compete on Thursdays @ 9pm.”

Or both.

So yes, Fox’s ratings are up significantly – but so are their costs.

Nice to see that FlashForward has settled in at a decent number.

30 Rock’s rating is fine, and makes it NBC’s #2 scripted show, but I can understand calling it disappointing. I’m sure NBC was at least hoping, if not expecting, a better showing for the premiere. Hopefully it manages not to drop too much the rest of the season.

The mentalist just doesnt seem to be what CBS were hoping for its doing well in the slot and better than elventh hour so CBS will be happy. I just think they were hoping it would beat CSI so they could flip flop them around nexted year.

Ouch for Fringe hope the fact fox are up over last year is enough to keep the show around.

Good to see Flashforward bouch up a little bit hopefull will hold around low 3s to Mid 3s and that probable should see it get a second season.

To be fair, 30 Rock was definitely riding on the coattails of SNL/Tina Fey/Sarah Palin’s success last year….so getting a 3 this year ain’t too shabby, IMO. Better than most of NBC’s lineup, that’s fo sho!

That is just my speculation on fringe because of Fox’s love affair with JJ Abrams

to samual everything drops from its premier whatever the show is regardless weather its new or a returning show. I think aslong as it keeps in the 3s ABC will be happy enough which it seems to of settled into now

I watched 30 Rock and it was okay, but I hope it doesn’t get best comedy for a fourth year! “The Office” really deserves it.

ABC can breathe a sigh of relief with “Flash Forward” now that it’s stopped the bleeding. And I will laugh and laugh and laugh if “The Vampire Diaries” starts beating “Community” and “Parks.” I’m sure it’s coming, since there’s far more comedy to be found in the vampire show.

Good to have “30 Rock” back, even if it’s probably peaked. NBC needs one funny sitcom, now that ABC’s stolen all their thunder.

I thought last night’s FF episode was alright. Not the best of the bunch but I’m just keeping in mind it was a character development driven episode and not a mythology driven one. With Simon coming into play at the end and Mark driving hard with Noh’s help on Somalia I have a feeling things will get cooking real soon, and I hope that’s true.

So is it safe to say FF had a 3.1 demo for the hour with 9.12M viewers then?

Tom, I agree. It’s hard to know what Fox’s internal thinking is. Of course their PR is going to stress increases vs. last season, but it is much more expensive.

On the other hand, NBCs’ 8-9pm hour is presumably the same cost as last season. Last night 2.0 rating, a year ago Earl/Kath&Kim 2.6 rating. Ouch.

johnthemon says:
October 16, 2009 at 9:04 am
if you exclude Leno from the average, NBC had a 2.75 for the night. What a drag.

But with Leno its a 2.6, I don’t see where it’s a big drag? especially when it’s exceeding the 1.5 demo that NBC promised advertisers.

Thursday is a tough night. I have given up Community because the DVR can only record two things at a time (Bones and FlashForward). I was really enjoying it, but am going to wait and watch it on DVD (Netflix) now. I am also recording Office and CSI at 9 and am catching Supernatural on DVD (it was in season 3 before I ever heard of it). Roughly half of my weekly programming is on Thursday night and there are other nights when there is nothing I deem worth watching.

Excellent news for the vampire Diaries – absolutely love that show; last night was sooo good. Sucks that next week is a repeat…Now do the right thing already Dawn and give the show a full season pickup…

I’m in the same boat Royal. Only fortunately I don’t go over the limit of 2 per hour (Community, FF then Fringe, The Office) so I’m safe there. But on Tuesday, Wednesday, and Friday I have absolutely nothing to watch. Monday’s I just have House. This Thursday schedule is brutal. :-/

Vampire Diaries is doing great, the only thing I don’t get that why wasn’t it picked up weeks ago. It’s kind of ridiculous seeing how much better it does than the CW’s “signature hits” aka “Dawn’s pet projects”. It’s here to stay for several seasons to come.

Grey’s Anatomy was great last night, it really needed some new blood, but their introduction was terrible. These characters all came off extremely arrogant and annoying, and if Shonda wants them to be the replacement for the potentially leaving regulars after their 7-year contract is up next year, she should have given them at least a little likeability-factor. First impression is crucial. Nora Zehetner and Sarah Drew are BUILT for cute, neurotic but loveable roles, the writers should really embrace that. They can be competitive AND loveable at the same time.
Btw, I think it will be over 5.0 in the final ratings. Not like it would need it to reign the day (and probably the week,too tied with House).

Ouch is right. Kath & Kim was getting a higher rating than Community and Parks & Recreation? That’s gotta hurt. Increased competition in the timeslot I guess can be blamed.

FlashForward is so disappointing. The concept is great but the execution is lacklustre and the casting sucks.

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@ Chuck Tranberg,

no with Leno factored in it’s a 2.4. That is a drag.

But that’s really besides the point because Leno was never about being a hit show. It was all about filling time while NBC pulls itsself together.

supernatural was up!!! its the real winner of the evening and the episode was so GREAT!!! see you october 29th boys!!

Tory writes, “Ouch is right. Kath & Kim was getting a higher rating than Community and Parks & Recreation? That’s gotta hurt. Increased competition in the timeslot I guess can be blamed.”

Decreased quality in the shows can also be blamed. 5 strikes and “Community” is out with me. What a misfire. At least the cinematography is good. “Parks” doesn’t even have that going for it.

I think the fact that THE MENTALIST hasn’t blossomed into a ratings giant is one of the more interesting stories of the season. (I find the fact that it can’t even beat PRIVATE PRACTICE rather shocking.)Clearly, CBS was grooming it for the CSI slot, just as they’ve groomed BIG BANG (successfully) for the 2-1/2 MEN slot. But THE MENTALIST hasn’t created much buzz ratings-wise — or for that matter, creatively — this season; last year, it was making headlines for weeks at a time. I wonder, as some have speculated, if 10 o’clock is simply too late for that show, and if — with CSI seemingly having stabilized — CBS might trying moving THE MENTALIST around the schedule at some point.

She had Palin hype and Oprah-guest-spot-next-week hype last year.

With playoff Baseball on TBS between Philadelphia and Los Angelos do you think that may have had an effect on the lower ratings? Maybe DVR views will bring the numbers up.

I have 2 episodes of FF to catch up on….but Thursday night is a notorious NHL(hockey) schedule night.

and soon the NBA is big on Wednesdays and Fridays…

so that will dent male viewers.

not to mention the ALCS all next week will get some big time numbers.

Fox must be looking at Fringe as a not-too-annoying puzzle. It isn’t really bothersome, as there are a number of solutions. It can obviously do better than its current rating. Thursday 9pm is so entrenched I’d be shocked if anything less than programming Idol in that slot would work. So they have two basic options and host of more creative options.

Basic Option 1: (most likely) Just leave it where it is. Fox has a decent beachhead on Thursday while ABC and CBS are aging. Keeping Fringe here makes sense, particularly if a an early season 2 DVD release sets up the show for a strong season 3 regular viewership.

Basic Option 2: Perform a swap with one other show. The problem becomes where. Figure Fox won’t touch Sunday, Tuesday, or Wednesday (why mess with Animation Rating Domination or the AI/Glee demo knockout that’s coming). That leaves Monday or Friday. Friday would be a risky bet to take after an already risky Thursday bet. On the other hand, on a night currently devoid of actually popular programming, Fringe might actually do well. Alternatively, Monday night makes a good deal of sense, and if LtM can’t retain more of House’s demo, then Fringe might have its best opening. But that means sacrificing Thursday.

Creative options: Watch the Grey’s numbers. If they dip any lower, they might be vulnerable to moving House in for a kill. Bones wouldn’t be a horrible demo lead in for that. Move Fringe to Monday at 9 and move LtM up an hour. Monday becomes weak, but if Fox can swap Monday for Thursday, I’m betting they’d take it.

Alternatively, Thursday 9 pm currently has no reality programing. A big investment might be profitable here. That moves Fringe to Monday. Figure Fox would rather get rid of Friday entirely and try moving LtM in at 8 with a new pairing.

Oprah-guest-spot-next-week hype last year.

Wait, guest stars now hype a show the week before? Last year was all about Palin/SNL.

30 Rock obviously isn’t doing horribly. It’s what, NBC’s second best scripted performer? The question should really be how long should it be allowed to hog the post-Office spot. If NBC loves it and wants it around for it’s critical acclaim, they should be just as fine with what it can do at 8 or 8.30. They really need the very few decent performes they have (that are all growing old) to launch new shows out of.

SVU is failing and probably not 8pm material anyway, The Biggest Loser should not be shortened, because why willingly give up a 3+ demo hour in NBC’s situation, Heroes is doing only marginally better than Chuck was last year. Do they really need to waste The Office on a show they cannot get much more leverage out of at this point too?

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MichaelJA, everything effects everything, but 36.7% of adults 18-49 were watching broadcast networks last night on average, last Thursday it was 36.5%.

Effectively no difference at all.

not to have made CBS a Thursday power

This is strange. Of course CBS is a Thursday power.

Folks, look at it another way (and I will add this to the post)

The last Community at 9:30 (10/1/09) scored a 2.9 rating.

How does that make the 30 Rock premiere look now?

Bones is just unflappable, it does well regardless of who it’s up against. It also goes up in the finals almost every week so I wouldn’t be surprised to see at a 2.7 or 2.8 and 9.5mil when the finals come out.

Good to see FF settle in, I’m sure ABC was a little concerned but if it can consistently be in the 3.0 range I think they’ll be happy with it.

Big ouch for NBC with Community and P&R. While I can see Community getting a full season I just can’t see how they pick up the back 9 for P&R. It *should* have been cancelled at the end of last season but had a miracle pick up…I don’t think it deserves to be so lucky again.

I can’t imagine that CBS is completely happy with the Mentalist’s numbers. It’s going up against weak competition and isn’t anywhere near last year’s season ending numbers. It’s still good relative to other shows but I bet CBS was hoping for more.

I think Private Practice has proven that it is tough competition because it can hold a lot of 18-49 audience of Greys. 18-49 just love the GA and PP kind of soap opera.

gmyers, CBS was winning Thursdays a year ago (and with a 4.2 rating) and then they added The Mentalist. You’d have expected them to be crushing the competition after that. Last night they did a 3.5.

Instead of improvement, they’re down.

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MichaelJA: I think the NLCS might have made a little bit (but only a little bit) of difference, we’ll know when we see the ratings for last night’s game. Last week during prime time you had parts of the Dodgers/Cardinals LDS and parts of the Angels/Red Sox LDS that averaged ~5.x million in the primetime portion. So the LA market was impacted last week already. I think last night’s game will do better, but that its impact on broadcast will be minimal when it comes to any individual broadcast shows.

Bill, I agree. That, to me, is one of the bigger surprises of the season. I still think THE MENTALIST could be a formidable show, but it’s not proving one Thursday at 10, that’s for sure.

MC, based on that logic, 30 Rock should never have lasted even midway through its first season.

NBC kept 30 Rock on the air despite incredibly low ratings early on, so if it believes in P&R and if it’s cheap enough to produce, it may help it along.

I sure hope it does, because P&R is great.

I’m going to take the opposite side of most here and say 30 Rock did do badly. Community’s last post-Office episode managed to hold on to 69.2% (3.9/2.7) of the Office’s “in demo” audience. 30 Rock managed to do a little better at 75% (4.0/3.0) but given 30 Rock’s status it should have been able to do better.

With Tina Fey, Alec Baldwin, Tracy Morgan and 3 emmys behind it 30 Rock has to be pretty expensive and given that expense I suspect NBC wanted to see more than a .3 increase over Community (which is a new show that, with one exception, starts relative new comers)

Now I know networks rarely, if ever, change their schedule once it’s in action but wouldn’t it be reasonable to think 30 Rock would get a much better demo than 2.0 in the 8 PM slot and Community would get close to it’s 2.9 after The Office in the 9 PM slot thereby making the night stronger for NBC? I know we are all beating a dead horse on this here but why can’t NBC see this? Or do they?

I think NBC waited too long to put on the season premiere of 30 Rock

I didn’t see Bill’s post before I made mine above. So take everything I said about 30 Rock doing badly and make it that much worse.

CSI has changed a lot. Fishburne has been a HUGE bust! CSI and Survivor are both a year older. The Mentalist is shown to be outperforming Eleventh Hour. The problem is not The Mentalist. The problem is with the aging CSI and Survivor. Even with that stuff happening it is still a power.

Have to say, vampire diaries had quite an awesome episode last night. I’ve seen the 1st few episodes was on the fence about whether to make the show a regular on my watch list. And it sure has made that list. I would say that it would easily pull off a 2.0+ if it wasn’t on the CW.

Bill, and that put Community at NBC’s #2 spot. A 3.0 for 30 Rock is disappointing, but not exactly worrisome, except in the sense that the entire state of NBC is worrisome.

gmyers, I agree that the addition of Fishburne has left CSI floundering creatively, and I think that Survivor is having a lousy season. But isn’t that all the more reason you’d expect The Mentalist — last year’s hot new series — to be topping them?

I’m beginning to think that maybe 30 Rock should start out NBC’s Thursday night line up and put Community on again after “The Office”. As others have said “Community” didn’t do much worse than 30 Rock did last night, and perhaps 30 Rock would improve on “Community” numbers at 8. I think that NBC has potential with “Community” in the right time slot.

Gmyers is correct, last year (10/16/2008) coming out of a CSI that had a 5.2 adults 18-49 rating (those were the days my friend, I thought they’d never end, la la la la, etc) Eleventh Hour pulled a 3.2 rating. Survivor GABON pulled a 4.2 that night.

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Ok, 2 things about 30 Rock:

First off, the reason they wait a month into the new season is because they are hoping the recent Emmy wins will bring in more viewers. By the 4th season though, this logic is flawed. However, they wait for it to win awards.

Second, someone said they weren’t aware 30 Rock was back this week, blaming them not hyping it. I HIGHLY doubt that this person watches much NBC, because NBC promotes the crap out of 30 Rock. Whether it’s for the Emmys or Fey or Baldwin, they promote it non-stop. Seriously, if I see an ad for the bookstore clerk punching Liz Lemon’s cardboard face and ripping it off ONE MORE TIME, I’m going to lose my mind!

I do have to say, I love 30 Rock. However, like last season, I really didn’t care for their season opener.

The Mentalist obviously turns out to have been more reliant on NCIS than maybe previously thought. All the times when The Mentalist got close to or actually getting more viewers than NCIS may have led to wrong thinking that it was as strong as NCIS. The Mentalist did need the NCIS leadin and NCIS was a much better leadin last season than CSI is this season.

With the demo numbers for Parks & Recreation and Fringe nearly the same, shouldn’t both of them be getting the ax? All I read about is people saying P&R is gone, dead, yesterdays news…but Fringe must be the same?

Is there any real reason one should last over the other?

Peter, yes. As stated above, FOX’s plan was to improve Thursday nights this year vs. last year. They have done so. Even with Fringe doing significantly below its numbers last year on other nights with better lead-ins, the BONES/FRINGE combo is providing better results for FOX on Thursday.

NBC’s lineup on the other hand, is DOWN versus last year. I’m not saying FOX will be happy with those results forever, but I think FOX is content for now. I doubt NBC is.

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Last years premiere for 30 Rock was a perf4ect storm as it was right in the middle of the Fey – Palin stuff and I believe 30 Rock also had several big name stars guest on the first few episodes last season.

Move Community back to 930!!! I love that show.

Yikes for Fringe… that’s awful. But glad the Mentalist & Vampire Diaries did well. Grey’s total viewers seems low to me, and they deserve it for the crappy episode yesterday with all the Christian bashing and the new filler characters they introduced.

Anyway thanks for having the ratings up every morning, love the site.

vampires diaries is so stupid it´s just makes sucess because that another idiot movie called twillight with that gay vampire…

supernatural is the best show ever

Thursdays is turning into a night of stark contrasts across the networks…

Despite the lows numbers Fox will be happy, they’re up on last year and that’s what the Bones/Fringe combo was created to do. In the current television market increases, however small are something to celebrate. Whilst its true that Fringe’s viewer loss vs. last year and the numbers themselves aren’t pretty I’d hope that Fox had to be expecting this kind of drop with the move to Thursday and are willing to give the show time in the slot to grow. We’ll see what they do though.

CBS is not having a pretty night and I’d put that down to the huge erosion of CSI. It might now be time for CBS to throw in the towel on CSI, at least as the flagship Thursday night show. A move into the 10PM slot (along with the rest of the CSI franchise) can only help it at this stage I suspect. Of course you have to decide what you put in its place, NCIS seems like the only thing on the schedule that would be a big Thursday hitter right now – maybe move NCIS: LA to 8PM on Tuesday, The Mentalist back to the 9PM Tuesday slot and move CSI to 10PM on Thursday with NCIS as its lead-in? That’s a big shift on the schedule but something has to change because I don’t think the CSI erosion is going to stop over the long term.

The NBC curse is well and truly catching up with the Thursday night schedule. The Office is eroding. 30 Rock is way down. Community has dropped hard in the 8PM slot it is however just about keeping Parks afloat. Things aren’t helped by the fact that The Office isn’t very good any more and that the 30 Rock return was probably the weakest 30 Rock episode I’ve seen.

ABC Thursday (like ABC Wednesday) isn’t looking quite so hot now the euphoria of the first week has well and truly worn off. Grey’s is still a power house and easily winning the night but a series low is never a good thing and like CSI I’m not convinced that erosion is going to end any time soon and as Grey’s drops Private Practice will as well. FlashForward meanwhile is way down on its first two episodes and apparently last weeks drop wasn’t a blip, are we in a Lost situation where when the audience misses one episode they just don’t come back?

It feels weird to type this but relatively speaking The CW probably had the best night of all the networks last night…

The Vampire Dairies is growing and might just break the 2.0 mark in the coming weeks if it can maintain this momentum and for The CW that would be big. Huge in fact. The issue of what The CW does with the 9PM slot if Vampire Dairies maintains this number for the rest of the season and beyond. Does Dawn put another sci-fi drama on at 9PM next season? Or try and launch another teen soap off the back of Vampire Dairies? Should be interesting. Or maybe they’ll go for the best of both worlds and put Rob Thomas’ new space teen soap in the slot? And am I really talking about next seasons schedule already?

GOOOOOOOO VAMPIRE DIARIES …..the best show of the fall, and i can`t believe thay still don`t have full season….WTF

The Mentalist lost three milion viewers to DVR-watching. Does anybody have the DVR numbers it got last year? I’m thinking some of their older audience may not stay up for a 10pm show.

Last night’s Flash Forward was the best episode to date, IMO… less whining, more clues and intrigue. And Navi Rawat waiting in the wings!

I think you guys are simultaneously over and underestimating Community.

I think it’s built all it is going to as loyal viewers. Just like 30 Rock. The Office sucks at launching shows because it’s so niche. It’s hard to get those viewers to try new things.

Therefore Community will get 30 Rock numbers post Office, and 30 Rock would get Community numbers at 8:00.

I’m sure NBC knows this and would rather have 30 Rock propped up. 4th season and all. Syndicaaaaaation.

wow those finge numbers are awful. They lost a half million in 30 mins. I dont think this show is safe at all.

CBS should have kept Eleventh Hour (even if they moved it) and dropped Cold Case (now doing poorly) along with Without a Trace. As Bill has pointed out, The Mentalist (the mega hit last season at 9 on Tuesdays) isn’t really doing that much better on Thursdays at 10. Last year I felt that Cold Case was the weakest of the 3 shows that CBS was considering dropping (Eleventh Hour, Without a Trace and Cold Case).

Wasn’t Alec Baldwin filming something this summer? That Mexico movie or something? I know there was a reason “30 Rock” had to be delayed a few weeks — and it wasn’t because “Community” is such a gem. As far as “The Mentalist,” obviously I won’t say it’s a disaster (that honor goes to “Fringe”), but I would say that CBS should have left well enough alone. I suppose CBS was afraid “CSI” would collapse or didn’t want to make it look like they should have kept “Eleventh Hour” (they shouldn’t have), so had to move a hit there that was guaranteed to pull bigger numbers. Or maybe they wanted Thursday’s ad dollars. I don’t know. But “NCIS: Los Angeles’” retention isn’t that great and the 2 “NCIS” shows back to back is overkill. Funny, I don’t recall CBS needing to launch any of the “CSI” spinoffs out of the original.

How come the CW hasnt given the back 9 to vampire diaries yet?

I think NBC should put a vampire character on COMMUNITY – they need schooling too! And if a forensics expert with some weird tick moved into the office next to Amy Pohler’s and became her strange love-interest, then 8-9 would be saved. As for 30 ROCK, I highly recommend bringing back “MILF Island” and spinning it off.

I agree with both TommyK and gmyers about The Mentalist; 10pm is too late for the show, and NCIS was a much more compatible lead-in.

The other thing that is apparently hurting TM’s ratings is giving the supporting characters more screen time. Yesterday’s episode did better than last week’s, but still not as well as the first two episodes this year which revolved around Patrick.

@Matt – There’s a lot of wrong in your post

First, I don’t think you can compare Community which has been on for 5 episodes and 30 Rock that’s in its 4th season and say they’re on equal footing as far as establishing an audience. In fact, Community’s 2nd to last airing after The Office got a 2.7 rating while the show’s last airing after The Office got a 2.9.

As for The Office sucking at launching shows what do you base that on?
Other than Parks and Recreation (which did get renewed) what else has NBC tried to use the Office to launch?

Finally, 30 Rock is no where near Syndication levels yet (it would have to make it through this season and next season to hit the 100 episode mark). And even if it was I doubt NBC, in its current position, is going to bury a promising newcomer to prop up 30 rock for 2 more years

Hmm, besides the CW, the best-skewing for 18-49 are (total viewers divided by most recent overnight 18-49 rating):

30 Rock 2.1 & Office 2.02
2.1 Simpsons, 2.05 Cleveland, 1.97 Guy, 1.96 Dad

These shows ought to be very grateful that total viewers aren’t what matters.

WHy is everyone saying Vampire Diaries wasnt picked up for a full season. I thought it was and Melrose Place got an additional 6 episodes so what is everyone talking about?

Anyways ABC rocks!!! I hope Ugly Betty does well tonight. ABC did sooooo sooo much promotion for it and I hope it can do well.

Rob, those were only script orders, not episode orders.

Oh ok Julia, then what everyone else says, WHAT THE HELL IS TAKING DAWN SO DAMN LONG? Its the best show shes got on the CW and its probably the only reason why she has a job still!!

I think the biggest thing hurting The Mentalist’s numbers is that people are watching programming they recorded earlier in the night during that time period. As I recall from the DVR #’s, TM was in the top 10 most delayed viewing shows with a Live+7 number of 4.6 (18-49; up from 3.6 Live+SD). I would guess that TM hasn’t lost much audience from last year, but that fewer are watching it the day it airs. Obviously, moving it to another time would help TM’s numbers, but CBS would probably have the same problem or worse with whatever they replaced it with in this timeslot. I say the numbers are good (if not as good as hoped) and an improvement on what CBS had last year. Let it ride.

was i the only one who enjoyed greys anatomy? i thought the mercy west staff were a nice addition to help mix things up a bit.

cant believe how much of a bitch lexie was though! huh i still love her

A little bird told me they are gonna replace Hank with Samantha Who? repeats.

@ Riff Rafferty, it’s impossible to take you seriously since you said “The Middle is the best new show this season”.

P&R is hilarious and Community is pretty good too. I did like Kath & Kim, but P&R is better.

@M, Im sure Samantha Who repeats would do better than Hank is doing.

@johnthemon, The Middle is a great show but I guess u dont know good comedy since u watch Park and Community, NBC garbage!

they definately should repeats the summer episodes of Samantha Who? they aired them in doubles so quick alot of people missed them

Supernatural is down this season because it doesn’t have Smallville as a lead in which would have brought more male viewers for Supernatural.

I am really happy for Vampire Diaries. It’s the 1st show I have ever watched in that network . CW was really smart adding a Vampire show with all the Twilight going around.

glad to see flashforward go a bit up

Community needs to be ahead of the VD a lot more. That must’ve been embarassing for Community last night, considering it was such a good episode last night.

Was Bailey the reason PP topped the Mentalist or has that been the trend this season?

I am shocked Vampire Diaries is doing this well. If I were NBC, I would join the crowd and order up their own vampire series. I guess young adults can’t get enough of hot young vampires in love!

30 Rock last night baffled me; for a show getting this much praise and acclaim from critics, it still can’t find a solid audience base. Is the show simply “too inside” for the average TV viewer?

Parks and Rec – kill it. Please. Give Amy Poehler something better to do.

Hey, with the ratings everything else on NBC is getting, I’m sure they’ll take a 3.0.

I think CBS should’ve stuck with EH, give the show more publicity and I’m sure it would’ve done better, because it had good ratings at the beginning of the season AND the show was WAY more interesting than TM.

Bill any idea why the Vampire Diaries has nt been given a full season pick up yet??

I agree with some comments about The Mentalist and not others. It is on too late but it has an extremely loyal audience (of at least 14 million) who have followed it from Tuesday at 9.00 to Thursday at 10.00. I have to say I do think its core audience is mainly women who like Simon Baker (he is the reason I watch it) as the show itself is pretty light.

Looking back over last years figures it seems it didn’t soar in the ratings until November/December time so will be interesting to see how it does then. Any show which is at No.6 in the final Nielsen ratings (last week) really isn’t in any kind of trouble. It has also sold around the world making a lot of money for CBS.

Another show which has sold around the world is FlashForward. Its really all style and no substance. I like the show and will stick with it but it really needs more to happen in each episode. It wont get cancelled in a hurry either due to worldwide sales. Look at Heroes – its still going even though its ratings are terrible.

The comments on this board are really interesting but I think worldwide sales need to be taken into consideration more when you talk about shows about to be cancelled. If they make money they wont be.

Lu, if EH only got a 3.2 when CSI was getting a 5.2 last year, how much lower would it be now that CSI is only doing a 3.6? And I say that as someone who liked EH and was disappointed it was canceled.

I do agree that EH was a much better fit with CSI since its crime solving MO was real science. TM is my favorite show, and its hook is Patrick’s elaborate mind games, which is about as supernatural as you can get without crossing into Medium and Ghost Whisperer territory.

30 Rock already signed a syndication deal. I believe it begins airing in two seasons. So that does come into play, and the episode number will only grow. And the ratings are still good, just not as good as The Office. But then, its never gotten that kind of promotion. And no one is talking about Emmy wins in mid October, they needed to have the show on a week or two after to try to benefit from that. And Community got an amazing amount of promo from NBC. They had NBC, E!, the NBC Preview that aired on all the NBCU channels was hosted by Joel. Community promos were really all over the place. I expected higher ratings because of this. Its a shame the pilot wasn’t better.

Promotion on network for NBC isn’t enough to remind people of anything. Who is watching NBC regularly right now? Almost no one. So you can’t let people know a show is coming back by just promoting on network. If this is the plan for Chuck, good luck with those ratings, that is not what the show needs to bring in new viewers.

Congratulations to The Office for being down 2% from a year ago.

Grey’s down 15%.

CSI down 27%.

@the128boy,not sure how you’re doing your calculations, but The Office was down 7% but Grey’s ~18% and CSI 30% with adults 18-49. But I agree, versus the others “down only 7% is the new up”

Vampire Diaries was already givin another 9 episodes bringing there total to 22, anymore then 22 is still unknown

All the talk about how poorly Parks And Rec is doing vs Kath & Kim last year is off base.

First off, Parks has been fairly steady this season, with last nights episode down 0.1 from the premiere (2.0 vs 2.1).

Kath & Kim, on the other hand, premiered with a 3.2, then dropped over 20% to a 2.5 (last night a year ago) and was down to a 2.2 by week 3.

If you subtract Kath & Kim’s series premiere from its numbers, the show’s 18-49 average last year was a 2.1.

In a world of diminishing returns, you can bet Parks And Rec is an improvement.

Robert, I am going by overnight numbers from last year, not finals.

Last year the Office ticked up 2 points in finals. The hour longs also may be due to different rounding.

Ryan as has now been said, over and over and over AND OVER AND OVER, the order was for nine more scripts not nine more episodes. But the full season pickup isn’t in doubt. And the announcement of a full season pickup is probably just waiting for November sweeps for perceived maximum bang for PR buck.

128 — ah, indeed the spreadsheet I have is comparing last nights preliminary to last year’s finals. Thanks for the clarification.

CBS needs some major schedule changes after this Thursday.
8pm Amazing Race
9pm NCIS
10pm CSI

I know that will be impossible for CBS but if NCIS goes on Thursday at 9pm this could either make it or loose it for NCIS and CSI will get more viewers with that lead in. Switch Amazing Race and Survivor because Amazing Race gets much better ratings

Put The Mentalist back to Tuesday at 9pm

For the love of God bring back “My Name is Earl!”

Ted, id be willing to bet cash money that Community is bringing in bigger numbers than Earl would. And even if Earl was slightly higher in the ratings, Community has to be cheaper, right?

I’m also surprised by the success of The Vampire Diaries considering how terrible the show is, but I guess vampires are an unstoppable force at the moment. It’s nice to see the CW have some sort of hit, though I wish I could snap my fingers and swap the ratings between VD and Melrose Place.

I was a steady viewer of The Mentalist last year but I’ve given up on this season – nothing to do with the time slot or the lead-in, it’s just a much weaker show now.

Last year Smallville 4.18 million and a 1.7 in the demo. Let’s not blow this VD crap out of proportion.

@CARPE,

Probably right but unfortunately we will never know since it seemed that CBS never liked that show despite ordering 5 more episodes.

They never gave it a chance.

ryan vampire got additional 9 scripts not episode orders yet

Although I’m still watching, I understand what you mean, Philip. It’s funny to watch all the CBI agents continually disrespect Patrick when they couldn’t solve a crossword puzzle without him.

It may not longer be invincible, but with 15 million viewers its tenth season, “CSI” deserves more credit than it is getting.

I feel like at 8:30 some 300,000 people stopped watching Flash Forward and made the channel jump to Bones. I don’t blame them.

I’m probably in the minority, but 30 Rock is just too smug for me, but then again, it’s the same reason I haven’t watched Saturday Night Live or MadTV in years.

Lu, I totally agree. Although I think EH started rocky, it found itself creatively before the end, and I think it would have been stronger this year.

I didn’t know 30 Rock was premiering until I saw Tina Fey on Letterman Wednesday night. I can’t remember seeing a single promo.

I’m a huge fan of the show and even *I* almost missed the premiere. That’s just awful promotion.

as much i love 30 rock, thursday is not the best timeslot for the show. thursday has been always the place for shows with mainstream appeal, unfortunately 30 rock doesn’t really have that attention grabber feel

30 rock should be sneak in after the biggest loser at 9:30 pm, there it can perform better and it’s not too crowded.

nbc can put 100 questions after the office, a show with a laugh track that made nbc must see lineup so popular in the first place,before 2005.

and csi is so 2000! and the mentalist isn’t really benifiting from csi.

Can a good show that airs on a bad network make it? In regards to Community, is it good enough to overcome NBC’s dismal disposition?

Personally 30 rock was not funny the first season and now is borderline annoying to even watch. Tina Fey is a great writer but I could never get into that show. Just not for me I suppose.

However Foxs thursday night lineup is perfect for me as I am a Bones fan since day one love David in just about anything he does. Fringe I have yet to miss an episode it is an amazing show with really cool storylines I wish more people would watch it. That said I would have to say Fox is very happy because once AI comes back they are basically competiting every night minus Friday and does anyone actually compete on Fridays.

All in all I think Fox has to be pretty happy. I think on another night Fringe would go back to its last season numbers just because the intrictate storylines. I was never a Fox fan but I have to say I watch Fox a lot more than any other network right now.

As a fan of Robin Tunney and Amanda Rhigetti I am disappointed in the lack of development in their characters. With renewal likely maybe the
scriptwriters can find plot lines that give them something more meaningful to do than act as foils for Patrick Jane’s passive aggressive
conduct. The car/motorcycle chase was a start.

CSI – LV – way more interesting this season – really liking the whole nerd aspect of Hodges. Think Langston is going to come into his own as a character people want to follow.

I’m glad the Vampire Diaries is doing well. I think if the CW did a little bit of promo for Supernatural during TVD, they might get more of the audience to stick around — the uptick in the female demo’s from last year would seem to indicate ‘new’ audience for SN.
Otherwise, the erosion is modest compared to other shows.

The Mentalist at 10 — just doesn’t work for me. its a 9 o’clock show — my 14 year old loved it last year. We DVR it.

Supernatural is the best show of ever and I´m very,very disappointed with CW because thursday night is not good for the show,isnt benifiting.
Unfortunately CW dont care about Supernatural.

It’s going to be tough to move NCIS out of the Tues 8pm slot, It does well against IDOL.PLus it’s up against 3 reality tv shows.
Last year it averaged 3.6 demo, so i would like to see what it’s numbers are once IDOL and V or whatever ABC puts there are.
Look what happened to Fringe and The Mentalist, both are down and disappointing in there 2nd year. Traditionally the year were things take off, because of the 1st year buzz.

i prefer community over flashforward but they should still put community back into it’s original time slot and just cancel parks and rec

yeah parks and rec should have gone a long time ago, didn’t nbc sign a contract to do a show with hillary duff or something

All CSI Vegas needs to do is kill off Langston.

So glad FLASHFORWARD is doing so well AND that it already got picked up for a FULL SEASON!!! This is by far my favorite new show this season and I can’t wait every week to see an episode! I like Community also, but I Hulu it when I have some time.

I keep waiting for Supernatural to crash, but damn that’s some great television writing. Each week I can’t help thinking, it’s got to wash out this week, they’ve used the best storyline twists and character angles up already this season… the monster hunting’s gotta get tired sometimes soon… and once again, another quality hour that totally entertains me. You find yourself laughing out loud, then being pensive, then utterly shocked- the writing just takes you all over the place, and it never loses its hold. Somehow they mix apocalyptic elements with complex brother/family issues, and flashes of such bloke-y humour you can’t stop laughing! I definitely take my hat off to the whole lot of them.

I like Flashforward and it seems to be stabilizing at the 9M and 3.2 in the demos. I think that’s good enough for a 2nd season or at least I hope. The show reminds me of 24 in it’s early stages. Perhaps it’s a show that can see it’s ratings improve after a strong lead-in like 24 did.

FOX has to be happy with Bones/Fringe. Why move Fringe now anyways? 24 will be the 9PM Monday show in the winter so Fringe could move for one month and then just move back when 24 is back on. It makes no sense and moving it to Friday would end the show. Keep it where it is for now IMO.

Miki
Why not Wednesday? or another day,I dont Know,but NOT THURSDAY!!or not at the same hour as csi and grey´s anatomy.

Gosh-

I just now watch all the Community episodes on my DVR. It is such a good show. I don’t understand why NBC screwed about with it’s orignal time. Joel Mchale is awesome.

I just don’t understand NBC anymore…..

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Eastwick–didn’t we have this show on the air a few years ago? By the name CHARMED?

I LOVE FRINGE, FOX WTF ARE YOU DOING? Give it a better timeslot, it cannot compete with these shows, they’ve been around toooo long, fringe is still a baby, it needs care, your beating it up.

I want to make a side note comment.
There is something that constantly happens for me and I wanted to post it here as I don’t know if since the switch to digital is causing truthful reflection about ratings. I have converter boxes on my TV’s and I got the good VHF/UHF antennas, not cheap ones, on each. I cannot tell you how many times…well take this past Wednesday, I wanted to watch the ABC from 8:00 on. I turn it on, adjust the antenna picture and audio is there, I go to sit on my couch, the signal goes off, I get up to go to my TV picture and audio back on, I adjust the antenna again, and go sit down, no good. I sit on my couch and ask my husband to come in and adjust antenna, he does and picture/audio is on, then he leaves the room and signal goes off. Not wanting to watch TV by me or my husband having to stand by the TV all evening, I gave up trying to watch ABC. Other nights it happens with CBS. So ratings now may not be a case of the show not being good, but rather frustrated converter box viewers giving up for loss of signals when trying to tune in the stations.

“Charmed” was adapted from the film “Witches of Eastwick”. So really it’s “Eastwick” copying “Charmed” which copied “Witches of Eastwick”.

And with “30 Rock” I am hot & cold in liking it, and have always felt that it’s more of the critics darling – Emmy committee LOVES it – rather than with actual viewers. Tracey Morgan’s & Alec Baldwins’ characters do practically do the same script every week. The Leno “joke” at the end fell flat with me, because Leno is not what this person wants, and I changed to The Mentalist.

Suzie, you and your husband may be radioactive.

Local channels have been boosting their signals due to reports of bad reception.

Rebecca, 30 Rock received better ratings than the Yankees this week.

JR, on average 30 Rock beat the Yankees games, but 30 Rock needed to sustain those numbers for only 30 minutes. There were several 30 minute slices on Saturday night where the Yankees beat 30 Rock.

I’ve been out-nerded!

I do not understand why Vampire Diaries has such good ratings. I tried watching it once and I thought the acting was awful and the storyline was completely trite. Maybe I’m too old for shows like that?

I do not have much time for television watching. Boston Legal was the only program in the last five years that I tried to view regularly. In the last two years, I have watched two episodes of “Office” and two episodes of “Medium,” and one episode of “Ugly Betty.”
However, I do go to NBC.Com every few months and watch a bunch of episodes of “30 Rock”. I think I have seen every episode twice.
I assume that I am not alone in this and that NBC takes this into account along with the overnight ratings.