Due to the nature of live sports programming the ratings for FOX’s coverage of the MLB ALCS (Yankees vs. Angels) are approximate and subject to significant revisions in the final numbers. See below for more information on these Fast Affiliate Ratings.
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| Rating/Share: Adults 18-49 | 4.0/11 | 3.3/9 | 3.0/8 | 2.4/7 | 1.4/4 | 0.8/2 |
| Rating/Share: Adults 18-34 | 3.7/11 | 2.8/8 | 1.8/5 | 2.6/8 | 1.5/5 | 0.8/2 |
| Total Viewers (million) | 11.488 | 10.343 | 11.405 | 5.878 | 3.545 | 2.079 |
With CBS (mostly) and the CW in repeats, ABC held steady and widened its margin of victory on Thursday night.
ABC was flat overall from last Thursday and its individual show ratings varied little to continue its trend of winning on Thursday’s this season.
Fox is getting a lot better luck with the ALCS this season than they did with the NLCS last season. From 8-11p, ALCS Game 5 (Yankees v. Angels) delivered a 3.3/8 among Adults 18-49. The final ratings this afternoon are expected to make this the highest rating game of the series. It’s well ahead of last year’s NLCS Game 5 on FOX (Phillies v. Dodgers, Wednesday 10/15/08) by +27% among Adults 18-49 (3.3/9 vs. 2.6/7). The best news for Fox is that the Angels won, pushing the series to at least 6 games.
While the rest of the CBS line up was in repeats, Survivor: Samoa’s ratings hit season highs across the board, up 14% in the adults 18-49 demo from last week.
Overall, NBC was steady on the night vs. last Thursday as well, with Parks & Recreation, The Office and 30 Rock each up a bit in the adults 18-49 ratings, and Community and The Jay Leno Show down.
The CW was entirely in repeats.
In Late-Night Local People Meters Thursday night:
- Conan O’Brien (0.9/4 in 18-49 in local people meters, encore) tied CBS’s LATE SHOW (0.9/4, encore) in Nielsen’s 24 local markets with People Meters. Conan topped LATE SHOW in adults 18-34 (0.7/3 vs. 0.5/3).
- At 12:35 a.m., Jimmy Fallon (0.5/3 in 18-49 in local people meters, encore) tied CBS’s LATE LATE SHOW (0.5/4, encore). Jimmy also tied Ferguson in 18-34 (0.4/3 vs. 0.4/2).
| Time | Net | Show | 18-49 Rating | 18-49 Share | Viewers Live+SD (Millions) |
| 8:00 | CBS | Survivor: Samoa | 3.7 | 11 | 12.161 |
| FOX | Baseball ALCS, Yankees v. Angels | 3.3 | 10 | 11.077 | |
| ABC | FlashForward | 3.0 | 9 | 9.730 | |
| NBC | Community | 1.9 | 6 | 5.184 | |
| CW | The Vampire Diaries (repeat) | 0.9 | 3 | 2.421 | |
| 8:30 | CBS | Survivor: Samoa | 4.3 | 12 | 13.597 |
| ABC | FlashForward | 3.1 | 9 | 9.904 | |
| FOX | Baseball ALCS, Yankees v. Angels | 2.9 | 8 | 9.500 | |
| NBC | Parks & Recreation | 2.1 | 6 | 4.981 | |
| CW | The Vampire Diaries (repeat) | 0.9 | 2 | 2.195 | |
| 9:00 | ABC | Grey’s Anatomy | 4.9 | 13 | 13.935 |
| NBC | The Office | 4.2 | 11 | 8.517 | |
| FOX | Baseball ALCS, Yankees v. Angels | 2.8 | 7 | 9.355 | |
| CBS | CSI (repeat) | 2.2 | 6 | 10.271 | |
| CW | Supernatural (repeat) | 0.8 | 2 | 1.943 | |
| 9:30 | ABC | Grey’s Anatomy | 5.6 | 14 | 15.402 |
| NBC | 30 Rock | 3.2 | 8 | 6.684 | |
| FOX | Baseball ALCS, Yankees v. Angels | 3.0 | 8 | 9.791 | |
| CBS | CSI (repeat) | 2.1 | 5 | 9.733 | |
| CW | Supernatural (repeat) | 0.8 | 2 | 1.756 | |
| 10:00 | ABC | Private Practice | 3.9 | 10 | 10.512 |
| FOX | Baseball ALCS, Yankees v. Angels | 3.7 | 10 | 11.135 | |
| CBS | The Mentalist (repeat) | 2.8 | 7 | 11.537 | |
| NBC | The Jay Leno Show | 1.8 | 5 | 5.352 | |
| 10:30 | FOX | Baseball ALCS, Yankees v. Angels | 3.9 | 11 | 11.200 |
| ABC | Private Practice | 3.4 | 10 | 9.443 | |
| CBS | The Mentalist (repeat) | 2.7 | 8 | 11.132 | |
| NBC | The Jay Leno Show | 1.5 | 4 | 4.552 |
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Time Shifted Viewing – Program ratings for national sources are produced in three streams of data – Live, Live+Same Day (Live+SD) and Live+7 Day. Time shifted figures account for incremental viewing that takes place with DVRs which are currently in approximately 24.4% of all U.S. TV households. Live+Same Day (Live+SD) include viewing during the same broadcast day as the original telecast, with a cut-off of 3:00AM local time when meters transmit daily viewing to Nielsen for processing. Live+7 Day ratings include incremental viewing that takes place during the 7 days following a telecast.
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Ouch, those are depressing numbers for Community. Is it time to start a Save Community push?
Wow! This incredible fot The Mentalist especially this week was a repeat also Vampire Diaries and Supernatural the out performes for original episodes od Melrose Place.
Good for FlashFoward
The mentalist did well in a rerun, otherwise same ol same ol
A repeat of SUPERNATURAL did better than a new episode of Melrose Shit. Haha. Dawn needs to be fired.
FlashForward increase on the half hour so that’s a good sign. But Survivor is back at 4.0, amazing!
30 Rock is also up from last week
Mentalist repeat beat CSI repeat!
And Grey’s climbed to 5.6 on the half hour!
The most telling numbers of the night is how The Mentalist and Vampire Diaries did in repeats especially The Mentalist which beat CSI and a new episode of Private Practice. I think next time they go into repeats, perhaps putting The Mentalist at 9pm would be a good test.
30 Rock went up from its premiere, right? A rarity for any show in today’s broadcast world.
That is a really big demo increase for Grey’s Anatomy at the half hour. The CSI repeat must have really helped it. Also, it really does seem that Parks and Recreation is helped by the Community lead in (despite that show not getting big ratings), because I think it was down to a 1.7-1.8 in the demo for a little bit?
That’s bad news for Community, it was such a great episode too. How is Parks & Recreation getting a 2.1 while Community is only getting 1.9? That’s what is amazing. Even though I like Parks, Community I feel is stronger and has much more potential.
nice repeats for VD considering they were repeating episode 2, Flash Forward i knew it would keep falling every week.
I agree, it’s pretty amazing that VD and Supernatural do as well in repeats as some shows on CW show on regular nights.
PP lost 5 M viewers. Ouch.
Gob, Parks and Rec dropped to 1.8 once, which was the only time it went below 2.0. But Community is certainly looking better than SNL. I think both will stick around this season, and while I enjoy both (more than The Office these days, despite Ryan’s fedora), should be disposed of during what will hopefully be an overhaul at NBC.
I can’t believe Grey’s Anatomy has become abc’s number 1 show. How can it overtake Desperate Housewives. I’m sad!
CW should throw VD repeats on wednesdays instead of Melrose repeats ( that show is going down they just fired two main characters including ashley simpson)
The CW should put repeats of Vampire Diaries on Wednesdays and Supernatural on Fridays after Smallville.
OMG those Survivor ratings are amazing compared to what it delivered at the beginning of the season.
Considering this was probably the single worst episode ever in the show’s history, these numbers are even better.
Sarah – what are you talking about ? PP didn’t lose 5m viewers. It is currently ABC’s third highest show in the demo (after DH and GA). It’s hovered around 9-11m all season.
I think FlashForward did good it was up against baseball and what seems to be a heavily-promoted Survivor episode and they still manage to get 3.0.I think the show will stabilized on the 3.0-3.2 range.
Great to see 30 Rock climb to 3.2 from 3.0 last week
Flash Forward is up VS last week in viewers
zee,
Grey’s overtook Desperate Housewives a few years ago.
this seems to indicate that Community grows throughout its timeslot, why else would Parks average a 2.1? I don’t know. Maybe I’m grasping at straws. Can’t believe Community went down. I guess it’s not going to last. Maybe it will tick up in the finals.
I don’t know if this had any bearing, but Grey’s Anatomy was actually quite good last night (somewhat out of character for the past few seasons) — very fast-paced and lots of hospital drama, little relationship drek.
Also glad to see 30 Rock gaining some footing. It’s once of the few tethers keeping NBC on my screen.
well nbc made a pretty dumb move for moving community’s time
Betting that Community goes up .1 and P&R drops .1 in the finals (same with The Office and 30 Rock). FF did well compared to last week and Grey’s was outstanding due to CSI being in repeats.
johnthemon, “this seems to indicate that Community grows throughout its timeslot, why else would Parks average a 2.1?”
Not necessarily, P&R could have gone up during its timeslot.
champt10, I don’t recall previous years off the top of my head, but last year Desperate Housewives had a higher season average than Greys.
Community was GREAT last night! Sad to see it fell in the ratings. I wish they’d move it out of the 8AM slot. Oh well…I hope it sticks around!
Grey’s Anatomy was really good last night. Experimental approach, risky move but it certainly paid off. SPOILER I hope we will see Sarah Drew in the future, she is a great TV actress.
FlashForward is still very steady on its own, ABC should be proud.
Vampire Diaries repeat beat original episodes of Gossip Girl, One Tree Hill, 90210 and of course Melrose Place in total viewers this week. That is quite dangerous, because this way they could just air a VD-repeat instead of one of those shows. Supernatural repeat was also stronger than MP in 18-49 and total viewers AND it almost caught a Gossip Girl original in total viewers.
30 rock improved, yeaah ! It’s practically a top3 show on NBC now (Office-Biggest Loser-30 rock), so renewal will be rather easy.
Yay for Mentalist kicking CSI’s butt in the demos big time. Altough I am a bit concerned that a Mentalist repeat can practically bring in numbers like an original The Good Wife episode. I hope it won’t be a problem.
Btw, I have a vague memory of a Mentalist repeat kicking butt last year on a Friday. Since the show seems invincible, could it be a big hit (3.0 + 12-15 million viewers) on Fridays, too ? Because that way they would have a great lead in for another possibly strong performer and could definitely improve and totally rule their night.
I wouldn’t make too much of these numbers. People will skip a regular program in lieu of a playoff game, so these next two weeks will be hard to draw any conclusions from, especially if the Yankees get into the Series.
You’re looking at 11 to 15 million viewers who either wouldn’t be watching at all or watching something else, and it’s impossible to know where they’d be if it weren’t for baseball.
Oh and for those wondering how P&R could be higher than Community consider this: there are just more people watching TV at 8:30 than there are at 8:00. You could air the same show at 8 and 8:30 (assuming all other variables stay the same) and the 8:30 would get more viewers.
At this point, I really have no idea what NBC will do with the 8pm hour come March. Keep both? Toss both? Take both of the schedule but not cancel either to see how the Spring shows do? Anything is possible.
Was there a special hook to Grey’s this week? I can’t imagine that many people prefer CSI/Fringe live and then Grey’s on DVR, and watched Grey’s live instead this week – but can’t explain it otherwise.
Flashforward was pretty much constant, despite baseball and Survivor improvement. Maybe this won’t settle as low as I expected (the better quality this week will also help).
I agree with Anthony. I think baseball is affecting the ratings of several programs–especially among males–younger and older.
Flash Forward is going lesbian in a big way. That seems to be going on alot lately. First HEROES and now FF. I recall the soap Guiding Light doing this too near the end of its run. So when are the guys going to start locking lips? Then again do we really want to see that? Nah.
I think the MLB playoffs are sucking the air out of some shows, I’d wait til after the World Series to take these numbers seriously.
I think Community needs to break into a song or two !? I love Joel, but the other characters, eh. Parks and Rec is great, Poehler is fabulous and should be much higher on the charts.
What happened to the SNL Thursday night news? Keep in mind, as long as Jay gets minimum 1.5, he’s making money for NBC.
phantom, I doubt CBS would put The Mentalist on Fridays as the current lineup is pretty solid and it would be silly to break it up at the moment. It’s a solid performer and I think if it gets the Super Bowl slot which is likely although I would prefer to see The Big Bang Theory then it could boost it’s ratings big time and no doubt by Fall 2010 we could see The Mentalist at 9pm and CSI at 10pm.
I still remember NBC’s “Must See TV” on Thu nights. The NBC sitcoms used to be powerhouses. How the mighty have fallen. CBS’s Mon night comedy line up has replaced NBC’s Thu night as the place to see comedy.
Community is my favorite Thursday show now! I wish NBC would move it back to 9:30 ET. Give 30 Rock a chance to anchor the night, and maybe that would help both Community and Parks & Recreation.
I love Community and hate Parks and Rec. Sad to see how much the time slot change screwed with the ratings.
“Flash Forward i knew it would keep falling every week.”
How? Its total viewers were up and the demo was pretty much the same. It was a 3.1 in the first half last week and increased to a 3.2. The finals could a 3.0, or a 3.1, because I think the finals last week was a 3.1. And it was also up last week. How did does it keep falling every week?
Baseball is sucking up all the viewers. I bet half of Grey’s audience was watching the game, especially Grey’s fans in LA or NY, the two big US media markets.
I usually watch Fringe live and tape Grey’s and CSI, but I watched Grey’s live this week.
you know your 8pm line up is weak when Leno can beat it in total numbers and get roughly the same adult demo. I think “Community” will stay and NBC will try to make something out of it either on this night or another night. P&R is gone after this season.
I think NBC should have brought back “Chuck” in midseason, put it on Thursday nights at 8pm, then moved Community and P&R to another night for the rest of the season. Give those two ratings drains a chance for new life on a new night. And if they’re still failing – axe them. In fact you could make a case to axe P&R right now, I can’t stand it.
NBC Thursday would look like this:
8pm Chuck
9pm The Office
9:30 30 Rock
10pm Leno
NBC should give Leno to the CW.
Grey’s had a huge spike up at 9:30 when the Office ended. Likely a lot of Office AND Grey’s fans who flipped over at 9:30. Don’t recall this big of a spike in past weeks. Grey’s episode was terrific, though. Technically, some very complex shots and creatively risky for none of the regular character stories moved forward.
Oh and P&R and 30 Rock were in top form–creatively. Ratings-wise, season high, I believe, for P&R.
“Save COMMUNITY?” Why? It’s absolutely horrid. The writing is abysmal. McHale should stick to The Soup, he’s not much of an actor and it shows.
Moving Private Practice after Grey’s Anatomy was really a good move for ABC. The once bubble show is now a solid performer
I guess hyping up the med-evac in the commercials for Survivor paid off, as annoying as it was for CBS and the media to pretty much spoil what happened and who it happened to.
Re: all the “spike” from one half hour to another talk. I can’t believe its related to tuning from one regular show to another.
I think it’s highly related to the ALCS game which changed viewing in different time zones differently. The ALCS game ended at 11:33pm Eastern time, which would have boosted the competition as viewers went elsewhere.
can we not make this about opinions? I’m not going to name names but this is Tvbythenumbers, not Tvbymycrappyopinionthatifyoudontagreewithyouareanidiotandthereisnootherwayoflookingatthingsotherthanmyway.
I don’t think fans of Chuck want to see it on Thursdays at 8. I doubt the numbers would be better (or maybe even as good) as Community/Parks.
Last night was a season high for Parks, and I have to say it is at least very stable. Its final numbers have always been 1.9-2.1, and it only hit 1.9 once. For everyone screaming for its immediate cancellation, how do you think Mercy or Trauma (or, let’s be honest, Chuck) would do in the hour? The numbers are certainly not good, but they are stable and not the biggest problems the network has right now.
I just think Community is on at a bad time. I think if it would have stayed at 9:30 it would be looking a lot better. I don’t really know what NBC will do at this point. I think they believe in the show and will keep it going despite a lower rating. I mean at least for this season.
Leno got trounced by a rerun.
What Grey’s did with the narrative structure was not innovative. It was first done in 1950 in a Japanese movie by Kurosawa, Rashomon, and copied endlessly since. It was well done, and it was a stand alone episode. You could walk in at any moment, and get dragged in the story without missing much from the previous episodes, or from the minutes you missed because of the way the story was told. That can explain the rise in numbers.
it only hit 1.9 once
Its final number for the second episode this season was 1.8.
Wow those half hour numbers for greys are impressive. Ah Community isnt funny can it IMO.
Too bad CBS didn’t advertise that CSI was an “encore” presentation with William Peterson, where Gil announces his decision to step down. Might have gotten more viewers.
What to do about Leno? It’s too early to say, but I would offer Jay this for next season. Give him Friday night, Saturday night and Sunday’s at 7 instead of “Football pregame show”. Friday and Saturday are low viewer nights anyway and actually some viewers might appreciate having Leno on Saturday night instead of reruns of shows which aired earlier in the week. As for Sunday, Leno could get (probably) fairly decent ratings leading into “Sunday Night Football.” He could have a football themed show, cut aways to the announcers for there pre-game picks and still do an entertaining monolouge, etc.
Then NBC could go back to airing programming at 10 on Monday-Thursdays.
However, even with the lead in for Sunday Night Football, my guess is that Leno would walk if he doesn’t have M-F at 10.
It’s interesting that having “The Mentalist” in reruns did nothing to help Leno in the slightest. That’s why I don’t have a lot of faith in the idea that he’s somehow going to make up a lot of ground when other shows are in reruns. I remain unconvinced that people who don’t watch Leno are suddenly going to watch Leno because they’re watching other things at 10 and will switch to Leno when there are reruns. It’s early yet, but that’s the source of my doubt.
I was struck by the fact that 30 Rock lost a full rating point in 18-49 from The Office lead-in. To me, these shows are like wine and cheese, but not everyone agrees.
And Grey’s Anatomy went up 0.7 at 9:30pm. Interesting.
FF is a good show.
damn good show.
I think it will at least get 2 seasons…I can see it settling between a 2.8-3.0
but if it is good the next 5-7 EPS…I think the backstretch this year could be in the 3.5 range.
Right now you are getting to know the characters and they are making Mark Benford a Mans Man Hero….
My thinking is that the Baseball Playoffs are hitting Leno hard, but haven’t looked at the #s yet to see if there’s any pattern.
Baseball numbers should be doing way better with the Yanks involved. This is a clue to Major League Baseball that they need to start giving the other teams equal attention. The Rays-Angels could’ve gotten close to that rating. Yanks are supposed to get 20 million viewers.
The Mentalist had a huge repeat performance. That is a good sign for The Mentalist. Private Practice should be embarrassed getting beat by a repeat like that.
As for NBC they need to install a drama there at 8pm or get the traditional comedies back in that hour.
rodshooter, I’d think “It’s well ahead of last year’s NLCS Game 5 on FOX (Phillies v. Dodgers, Wednesday 10/15/08) by +27% among Adults 18-49 (3.3/9 vs. 2.6/7). ” indicates they *are* doing better.
Avg. viewership is meaningless, Private Practice beat the Mentalist (as it has all season) in the adult demo ratings which are what matters.
Mtto, the same can be said for Parks & Recreation vs. The Office.
I don’t understand how so many more people can watch The Office but not watch P&R, only 30 minutes earlier. The humor in those two shows is VERY similar, and they have very much the same feel. They are in fact much more similar to each other than The Office is to 30 Rock.
Community’s struggle, I can understand. It’s very “different” and skews to a very odd sense of humor I guess (I just can’t get into Community they way I do P&R, The Office and 30 Rock).
But it is shameful in my opinion that The Office viewers are not showing more support or enthusiasm for Parks & Recreation.
im curious did the CW run a repeat of last weeks VD or a aonther ep?
Wow, The Mentalist still rocks in repeats!
It does seem like FlashForward is settling here. I’m surprised it is with the baseball playoffs. I’m sad for Community and my only hope is NBC likes the show enough to give it another chance and maybe another timeslot entirely (with a lead-in) next season. It does need a mini-arc in the story to get people hooked though.
That 2.6 for the Phils/Dodgers is actually a better demo number than it is for the Yanks/Angels. With this series having the Yanks involved it should be a 5.0 or higher. This has more to do with the almighty Yanks being involved in the series. A 3.3 is average in my opinion when it comes to a game involving the Yanks. If this was the Phils/Dodgers getting a 3.3 that’s a different story.
Robert, according to The Futon Critic, the episode was supposed to be the first from this season.
why all the repeats…?
Does anybody know why Ryan was wearing the hat? Random moment. His character has ceased to be likable ever since the start of season 4.
At this point, I could see NBC moving Community/P&R to Wed @ 8, Chuck to Thursdays, Mercy to Monday @ 9. Granted, I hope not.
Vampire Diaries and Supernatural help up really well!!they both did more then a new episode of melrose and beautiful life!!!
Chet, this is the last chance for repeats before sweeps.
nkinsey, interesting. I find Ryan to be one of the very few funny parts of The Office remaining.
@ Gabe: You didn’t think a almost heart attack on Survivor rated a few ratings points? I actually don’t consider that the worst episode in 19 seasons, I’m trying to think of a specific episode, it will come to me later…
Survivor continues to hang in there. CBS has to be pleased with that strong a lead-off in a very competitive timeslot.
Damn, Baseballs audience is old.
robert they repeated episode 2
Chris, what’s that sonny? Speak up!
I’m wondering if someone can tell me why the 18-49 demo is the only thing that seems to matter in ratings anymore. As a 19-year-old, I can tell you that no one that age is spending any money because no one has any. So whether or not advertisers are getting through with us, it doesn’t matter, we probably won’t be buying your products until our mid-20s.
I’m wondering if someone can tell me why the 18-49 demo is the only thing that seems to matter in ratings anymore.
This isn’t an anymore thing. It’s pretty much always been this way.
Alan,
Office fans checked out P&R last season and found it unfunny. Myself included. I continued to keep watching (remembering I didn’t love The Office until the 7-10th episodes) and now consider it hilarious. I’m guessing people just dumped it early on and have yet to give it a try because it has improved quite a bit. I think NBC will remain patient just because it’s produced in-house and is from the creators of THE OFFICE. Community is a goner if the numbers keep up like this though.
30 Rock would die without that plum OFFICE lead-in, and NBC knows it. If I recall, P&R never got a shot after the OFFICE. Here’s what the schedule SHOULD be…
8:00 – 30 Rock
8:30 – P&R or Community
9:00 – Office
9:00 – P&R or Community
Not sure what NBC is thinking wasting that lead-in on a show that should be able to hold its own by now.
VD did well for repeats, but how are those important demo numbers? Still likely not more profitable than a fresh GG, OTH, etc in those oh so important demos… Cancel the whole network.
AK,
As a 19-year-old, I can tell you that no one that age is spending any money because no one has any. ***
That is in your particular age/income range. There are plenty of 18-49 year olds who DO have disposable income (alas, I’m not one of them) that are more likely to be less brand loyal. That’s why they are desired. This is America, since when is having no money a reason for people not to spend it?
Debt has become part of our national heritage… *sigh
I didn’t watch myself but this live blog of the baseball game (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/yankees/2009/10/alcs-game-5-yankees-angels-liv.html) seems to indicate it ended at 8:31pm Pacific. That would seem to explain why Community and FlashForward took a hit relative to other shows.
So really the only relevant drop here is Jay (who does seem to be hitting record lows a lot in the last week)
I didn’t watch any of the regular shows last, I was watching the Angels and Yankees. I think DVR viewership will be interesting for last night.
I can understand why NBC isn’t breaking up the 30 Rock/Office pairing. It’s one of the few hours on their schedule that hasn’t died yet! And if this season has shown anything, it’s that even veteran shows (SVU) can be hurt in the ratings by timeslot changes. So why put the Emmy-winning 30 Rock at risk in exchange for either of the other two comedies?
It may or may not be time for a Save Community push but it’s definitely a good idea for more fans to make fansites about it – it would help to make it more obvious that there are people out there that love it. The show needs its version of Office Tally.
Isn’t it interesting about The Mentalist’s great numbers? Other shows would kill for those numbers! I thought Private Practice or Jay Leno would benefit but instead the 3 million people (The Mentalist has a steady audience of 14 million) simply decided to turn off their TV’s and probably go to bed! Its also surprising that the number is so good as it was a repeat from the first season (which is out on DVD) not even the second.
Alison, Fox aired baseball in the 10 pm hour, which usually is not the case. It’s more likely that people watched that than just switched off their TVs.
I was expecting a greater fall for Flashforward. I guess not as many people have given up on it as I thought. I liked last night’s episode ALOT. The show might shape up into a good show after all :]. The lesbian thing was hinted since the first episode and even brought up in the third. This episode just confimred it. I didnt feel forced into the storyline and was very natural. I hope Flashforward gets a few more seasons
My Community panic begins after baseball. If it doesn’t go back up over the 2 threshold after that, then i’ll panic.
I think NBC might realize after this year that they’re screwed no matter what they put on in that timeslot. And Community doesn’t look expensive, so….
Julia – you are right – I didn’t take into account all the other channels. I also know nothing about baseball. Still interesting though that the other main networks couldn’t interest those viewers, not all would have watched the baseball.
I am still sticking with Flashforward in the hope that something happens but its absolutely nothing like Lost. In Flashforward you just dont really care about the characters and there is no sense of any jeopardy which is half the fun of Lost.
I have seen two promo’s today on NBC for White Collar debuting tonight on USA. Plus they had the cast in for an interview on the Today show. Have they given up promoting the NBC shows and thrown in the towel in hope that they can impact another station that small numbers make more difference? Interesting!
I have a feeling that, with Simon looking to get a large role next week, that episode should be very good. Also, at least it didn’t use the lesbian thing as a huge promo to bring it ratings like another show I need not mention. This is just a part of the character (albeit, not one I like) that came through the storyline naturally.
The one in the other show was clearly a tool used for ratings that didn’t work because the writers are running out of idea, or did awhile ago. Instead of a ‘jump the shark’ moment it’ll likely be called a ‘girl kiss girl’ moment. :-/
Linda said exactly what I was thinking and if you didn’t read her thoughts, give ‘em a try –
“It’s interesting that having “The Mentalist” in reruns did nothing to help Leno in the slightest. That’s why I don’t have a lot of faith in the idea that he’s somehow going to make up a lot of ground when other shows are in reruns. I remain unconvinced that people who don’t watch Leno are suddenly going to watch Leno because they’re watching other things at 10 and will switch to Leno when there are reruns. It’s early yet, but that’s the source of my doubt.”
Mine too.
@Vetinari – Really? Fansites? I’m sorry but I don’t think any programming exec in the history of the world has cared how many fansites a show has so I’m not sure I’d waste my time.
If you want to save a show you love you should put your money where your mouth is. Buy 5 copies of every episode on iTunes and gift them to someone. If every Community fan did that I guarantee you the show would get renewed (Dollhouse does much worse and was saved by the same concept). So if you’re worried spend the $10 and skip the fansite.
(Though again, since Community was the only NBC show competing with a Baseball game on the West Coast last night I think all the “worry about Community” talk is pre-mature)
i think flashforward did great considering what it was up against i.e. baseball etc
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Which was based on a short story by Akutagawa Ryunosuke with the same structure, and he probably didn’t invent it, either.
Geez, a CSI rerun beat the baseball playoff game? What’s that say about baseball? “America’s Game” and the ALCS can’t even come close to a regular season NFL telecast!
Community dropping below a 2.0 is worrying. I’d be tempted to write it off as a baseball drop that it can rebound from but Parks went ahead and did a 2.1, which makes that argument hard to make. Good news for 30 Rock though, which went up presumably with the lack of an original CSI to compete with it’ll be interesting to see if it can hold that next week or not.
The FlashForward drop is another worry and again I think my prediction that ABC will pair it with Lost in some way, shape or form from mid season takes another step to becoming reality. ABC however will be happy that Grey’s jumped up without CSI to compete with. Private Practice on the other hand isn’t such great news, the fact that it wasn’t light years ahead of the repeating Mentalist, did baseball really take away from its audience? Again I struggle with that argument looking at how Grey’s did.
On another note The Menalist repeats scarily well, like better than many shows (the entire NBC line-up for example) do on original airings well. Maybe NBC should just syndicate Mentalist repeats at 10PM next year?
“30 Rock” was an improvement over last week’s in a lot of ways. Now you know why Tina Fey keeps name-dropping Robert Carlock all of the 511 times she’s won an Emmy.
FlashForward is an OK show but it is already getting a bit yawn-inducing. If I hear once more “what caused the back-out” I’ll kick the TV set in. The show has been sitting in the one place now since the second ep. and nothing has moved forward. I feel by the end of the season it might be in the toilet if they don’t do something with it.
Not much else to comment on. The Office is good. And I like P&R too. Survivor is popular but past it. I gave up watching it when they started to give them live animals to kill/eat all the time. Sure, you would do that if you were lost in the woods, or had no other choice, but it’s a friggin’ game show. Living things shouln’t be killed for TV. But, I guess it’s ok to rip the head of a chicken or stab a pig to death on network tv, but don’t even try to to slip an F-bomb.
Last nights episode of Grey’s Anatomy was probably the best of the season so far. It was a little taste of the earlier seasons.
FlashForward was incredibly boring until the last two minutes. I hope it improves.
Thats great viewers for a repeat of Vampire Diaries!
If I were in my 50’s or 60’s, I’d be pretty offended that nobody cares what we do with our money.
People in their 50’s are often better off than anyone else.
-They are still working, often at the highest salary bracket after years at the same company and many raises
-Their kids out of the house.
-And often, their mortage is paid off by then.
-People that age ofetn have tons of disposable income and are also often fit enough to want to go golfing, or buy a new car, or buy new furniture, or whatever advertisors want.
Do advertisors and networks really not give a flying poop about people above age 49? They do so at their peril.
I think to a degree, the “power” of the 18-49 demo is a myth.
Sigh. It’s not that advertisers don’t WANT to reach demos other than 18 – 49. It’s just that that is the demographic that is hardest to reach… fewer of them watch TV. Therefore advertisers are willing to pay more to catch the ones that do. And the more advertisers want to pay, the more likely a network is to keep a show around. Hence all the focus on how a show does in the 18 – 49 demo. They JUST HAD an article up about this yesterday!
Congrats to The Office which ticked up .2 in finals to a 4.4, which is actually UP from its year-ago airing (when it had a 4.2).
I have to say, that personally I don’t think the show has been this good on average since season 3.
30 Rock was also up in finals to a 3.3, down .6 from its second episode last year, but an improvement compared to last week’s year-to-year comparison.
Community and Parks were flat. I will miss Parks a lot if it gets canned.
“I think to a degree, the “power” of the 18-49 demo is a myth.”
Nope. If you’re over 50 and buying a new car, TV, furniture, and whatever else. You’re in the minority of that age group. They would waste millions of dollars every year on a myth. I don’t think they’re that dumb.
PARKS & COMMUNITY PICKED UP FOR FULL SEASONS!!!
PARKS & COMMUNITY PICKED UP FOR FULL SEASONS!!!
PARKS & COMMUNITY PICKED UP FOR FULL SEASONS!!!
PARKS & COMMUNITY PICKED UP FOR FULL SEASONS!!!
PARKS & COMMUNITY PICKED UP FOR FULL SEASONS!!!
PARKS & COMMUNITY PICKED UP FOR FULL SEASONS!!!
PARKS & COMMUNITY PICKED UP FOR FULL SEASONS!!!
PARKS & COMMUNITY PICKED UP FOR FULL SEASONS!!!
PARKS & COMMUNITY PICKED UP FOR FULL SEASONS!!!
PARKS & COMMUNITY PICKED UP FOR FULL SEASONS!!!
PARKS & COMMUNITY PICKED UP FOR FULL SEASONS!!!
PARKS & COMMUNITY PICKED UP FOR FULL SEASONS!!!
- One more, you know, just to clarify:
PARKS & COMMUNITY PICKED UP FOR FULL SEASONS!!!
thursday final numbers:
30 rock – 3.3/8 (6.841 million viewers)
the office- 4.4/11 (8.729 million viewers)
community- 1.9/6 (5.038 million viewers)
parks and recreation- 2.1/6 (4.925 million viewers)
survivor- 4.0/12 (12.899 million viewers)
grey’s anatomy- 5.3/14 (15.062 million viewers)
private practice-3.7/10 (9.928 million viewers)
flash forward-3.1/9 (9.874 million viewers)
here’s the link if you wanna see all thursday broadcast show final numbers:
http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/492103052/p/3
How desperate is NBC in that Parks and Community get 9 more episodes despite 2.1 and 1.9 ratings last night? Wow. Those kinds of ratings will get most shows canned. I can only guess this is for DVD and ITunes sales. It must easier to sell an entire season than a half season.
Parks is finished, I cannot stand that show. Please give Amy Poehler something better to do! Put her on Chuck or Community or give her another original sitcom.
BigBow ABC agrees with you on FlashForward, they’ve ditched the current head writer and put David Goyer in charge for the second half of the season. It’ll be interesting to see if that has any real impact or not.
Bill, Robert – one request, please – when you do Dave and Conan, can you also do Nightline – which I watch eleventy billion percent more than Jay, Conan, Dave, Ferguson, Fallon, Kimmel, and Ron Popeil combined?
Thank you verrry much….
we post the weekly Nightline ratings. In terms of the overnights from the local people meters for the late night shows, we post everything we see.
Robert…I was afraid of that…and I didn’t win the Powerball last night, either
…and Nightline viewers aren’t the oldest, either, so there isn’t a conspiracy on that score, or else Dave’s overnights wouldn’t be shown either…
…but Nightline isn’t on the CW, but one of the big four nets, which makes the lack of overnights for Nightline perplexing to me…
…I wonder – would the fact that ABC affiliates shuffle Nightline, so that it doesn’t air consistently at the same time slot across the country, have any impact on your not getting its overnights with Dave and Conan, based on lack of comparability?
Theoacme more the fact that Nightline is 30 minutes and Late Show and Tonight Show are an hour, making the comparisons very apples to oranges since we don’t see the 30 minute data. There’s no doubt in our minds that Nightline gets crushed for the 30 minutes it airs against those two, but since both shows drop off in the last half hour, Nightline looks more favorable when comparing its 30 minutes to the other shows full hour. ABC makes those comparisons weekly.
greys was only up because csi was a repeat. cant read much into that
Flashforward getting stale, still solid show. I’ll stick with it to the end, since i’m no longer watching Survivor.
It’s lived up to the reviews so far. Reviewers said the pilot was ok and it was. It’s looking more like 24/Jericho than LOST. A solid show but not a hit, like LOST.
Good to see Office, 30 Rock and FlashForward doing well. Im still waiting for GA to die…Looks like its gonna be on air for a long time <_<
@Catie
Sigh. Some of us have a life and don’t have time to read every single article on this website in detail. There was an ongoing discussion about 18-49 in THIS article and I chose to put my 2 cents in.
ABC Has beat CBS for 5 weeks know on Thursday
Chris, The relative position of ABC and CBS on Thursday has suprised me this season. I expected CBS to do much better. CBS will likely move ahead when it’s repeats vs. repeats since ABC shows repeat relatively poorly, but CBS has to be disappointed in their first run performance on Thursdays this season.
Hey, if advertisers want to waste their money worrying about 18-49s, it’s their money to waste. I look at the show that has the most viewers as the clear No. 1, not the most 18-49s. Ridiculous.
That’s great for you Bruce. Unfortunately, you don’t make financial decisions regarding shows, while advertisers do. Therefore, advertisers get to decide who the winners and losers are.
Can I just ask how CSI in Season 10 without it’s main star – one of the most likable and respected characters to come along in TV History – Grissom – is supposed to NOT be losing viewers? LOL Give it a break folks. Most shows, including NCIS would KILL to have had the success of CSI for so many years. Nothing lasts forever. I’d rather remember CSI as the blockbuster it was in it’s heyday which included kicking the crap out of GA when everyone thought it was doomed once GA was put up against it. CSI has more than proven itself
Isn’t it amusing that the CW Thursday Night in repeats does as well as MELROSE PLACE does in new episodes?
Wild.
Nick C, that dynamic of the best shows on a network doing better in repeats than the network’s dreck in new episodes isn’t unique.
All the big CBS shows have better repeat demos than Old Christine, Gary Unmarried, Three Rivers, and maybe a few more.
I was thinking the same thing Nick, for the life of me I can’t figure out why they ordered more episodes of MP. I know Heather Locklear has signed on and they may see a small bump in the ratings, but does anyone think that will be sustainable?
I was big time bummed this week after coming home Friday morning from a tough night at work to find out Supernatural was a repeat.
CBS rules most nights for me except THURSDAYS. ABC wins THURSDAYS with its awesome hits Private Practice and Greya Anatomy.
CBS does lead most nights this season, but I agree ABC deserves the win for Thursdays with Greys Anatomy and Private Practice. These are the best and probably only ABC shows I watch.
champt10
your wrong, Desperate Housewives has been winning the 18-49 battle for the past 5 years. Like Julia said, it even won the season average last year.
Julia
The season isn’t over yet so lets hope desperate housewives beats grey at the end.
Wow Survivor is back at 13million viewers woahhh! I’m a Big fan of the show but this season doesn’t wow me so far.
ABC’s line up is so consistent! good job abc!