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| Adults 18-49: Rating/Share | 3.4/9 | 3.0/8 | 2.5/6 | 1.9/5 | 1.3/3 | 1.2/3 |
| Adults 18-34: Rating/Share | 2.2/6 | 2.1/6 | 2.5/7 | 1.8/5 | 1.4/4 | 1.7/5 |
| Total Viewers (million) | 15.52 | 9.57 | 6.03 | 5.42 | 3.41 | 2.45 |
Against a repeat lineup on CBS, ABC took the night, though impressively CBS managed second place both in overall viewers and adults 18-49.
NBC is now famously on record that it thought The Jay Leno Show would fare better against repeats. I was on record early saying that repeats of CSI: Miami would still best Jay. But I’m not sure I expected the beat down to be so bad.
Last night at 10pm a rerun of CSI: Miami averaged a 3.1 rating with adults 18-49, while The Jay Leno Show averaged a 1.3 rating. Castle averaged a 2.8 rating, though that might get adjusted down a touch in the final numbers due to Dancing With the Stars overrun (also, in the Philadelphia market, Monday Night Football aired on the ABC affiliate and is counted in the numbers below, and that might have been the case in the Washington, D.C. market as well — that will be adjusted out in the finals).
The real story to me though isn’t Leno’s ratings, it’s how great CBS Monday lineup does in repeats. This isn’t a new trend, but it still impresses me.
Aided perhaps by CBS repeats, Dancing With the Stars had stronger legs and turned in a much better performance than last week.
An out of normal time slot So You Think You Can Dance won the 8pm hour with adults 18-34.
Heroes seems to have stabilized and the good news for NBC is that Trauma was up a tick versus last week. The bad news is that only got it to a 1.9 adults 18-49 rating.
The collective gasp on the net seems to be “OMG! Nathan Fillion tried on a Browncoat costume (before rejecting it!) on Castle! Firefly lives on! OMG!”
The Internets can be so silly sometimes. Even sillier perhaps, ABC didn’t have a picture available with Fillion in his Firefly costume. You can find grainy pictures with circles and arrows on the Internet, or just watch the video, but you’ll have to live with Fillion as Edgar Allan Poe above. Blame ABC!
Here are the late night details:
In Late-Night Local People Meters Monday night:
- Conan O’Brien (1.0/4 in 18-49 in local people meters) beat CBS’s LATE SHOW (0.9/4) in Nielsen’s 24 local markets with People Meters.
- At 12:35 a.m., Jimmy Fallon (0.5/3 in 18-49 in local people meters) tied CBS’s LATE LATE SHOW (0.5/3).
Full details:
| Time | Net | Show | 18-49 Rating/Share | Viewers (Millons) |
| 8:00 | ABC | Dancing With the Stars | 3.4/9 | 17.03 |
| CBS | How I Met Your Mother (R) | 2.6/7 | 7.09 | |
| FOX | So You Think You Can Dance | 2.6/7 | 5.78 | |
| NBC | Heroes | 2.5/6 | 5.86 | |
| CW | One Tree Hill | 1.3/3 | 2.69 | |
| 8:30 | CBS | Accidentally on Purpose (R) | 2.1/5 | 6.05 |
| 9:00 | ABC | Dancing With the Stars | 4.0/10 | 18.44 |
| CBS | Two and a Half Men (R) | 3.4/8 | 11.25 | |
| FOX | Lie To Me | 2.5/6 | 6.28 | |
| NBC | Trauma | 1.9/5 | 5.77 | |
| CW | Gossip Girl | 1.2/3 | 2.21 | |
| 9:30 | CBS | The Big Bang Theory (R) | 3.6/9 | 10.58 |
| 10:00 | CBS | CSI: Miami (R) | 3.1/8 | 11.22 |
| ABC | Castle | 2.8/7 | 11.09 | |
| NBC | The Jay Leno Show | 1.3/4 | 4.62 |
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All numbers are Live+SD.
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Definitions:
*Fast Affiliate Ratings: These first national ratings, including demographics, are available at approximately 11 AM (ET) the day after telecast, and are released to subscribing customers daily. These data, from the National People Meter sample, are strictly time-period information, based on the normal broadcast network feed, and include all programming on the affiliated stations, sometimes including network programming, sometimes not. The figures may include stations that did not air the entire network feed, as well as local news breaks or cutaways for local coverage or other programming. Fast Affiliate ratings are not as useful for live programs and are likely to differ significantly from the final results, because the data reflect normal broadcast feed patterns. For example, with a World Series game, Fast Affiliate Ratings would include whatever aired from 8-11PM on affiliates in the Pacific Time Zone, following the live football game, but not game coverage that begins at 5PM PT. The same would be true of Presidential debates as well as live award shows and breaking news reports.
Rating: Estimated percentage of the universe of TV households (or other specified group) tuned to a program in the average minute. Ratings are expressed as a percent.
Share (of Audience): The percent of households (or persons) using television who are tuned to a specific program, station or network in a specific area at a specific time. (See also, Rating, which represents tuning or viewing as a percent of the entire population being measured.)
Time Shifted Viewing – Program ratings for national sources are produced in three streams of data – Live, Live+Same Day (Live+SD) and Live+7 Day. Time shifted figures account for incremental viewing that takes place with DVRs which are currently in approximately 24.4% of all U.S. TV households. Live+Same Day (Live+SD) include viewing during the same broadcast day as the original telecast, with a cut-off of 3:00AM local time when meters transmit daily viewing to Nielsen for processing. Live+7 Day ratings include incremental viewing that takes place during the 7 days following a telecast.
For more information see Numbers 101.
MNF aired on the ABC affiliate in Philly, so that will also contribute to Castle dropping in the final numbers.
AHH go Castle! I hope the numbers don’t adjust too much. This is exciting news.
Castle can’t even win the timeslot against a CSI:Miami repeat and Leno? With DWTS as a lead-in? And the insane Firefly fanfreaks tuning in? Both of ‘em?
I was refreshing this page so many times this morning to see the ratings. I actually didn’t know that the Firefly outfit was going to be coming out this episode, so I was totally caught off guard by it, and loved it. Hope there wasn’t too much of an effect from the over run.
Does anyone know how many ABC affliates showed the game instead of Castle last night?
Once again, this site has to piss on the excitement fans have for Castle. It was a fun episode, and yes there were some good geek out moments (especially if you’re a Whedon fan), but this post makes it sound like the fans of this show are losers. Maybe that wasn’t the intent, but that’s how it read to me at least.
it seems like CSI: Miami in repeats helped Castle, which makes since because they’re both crime shows.
Yep, NBC must be disappointed with Leno vs.rerun. He actually seems to be losing ground lately. Tonight will be better for him because of his lead-in. But if he can’t do better than that even vs. reruns then NBC will have a big decision to make. Of course I think the late spring and summer is where they will see if he makes any head way.
Someone is just trying to hide the fact that they are very pished.
“Castle soared, and it’s been renewed and the book is selling well, but I can always find something bad to say about it! Ha!”
Chances looking much brighter for a third season of Castle. w00t!
Heroes flat. one tree hill up from 1.1 to 1.3 Good. Big Bang Theory repeat WOW! clearly CBS’ biggest comedy now. no House ???
@Chief, “MNF aired on the ABC affiliate in Philly, so that will also contribute to Castle dropping in the final numbers.”
And likely in Washington, DC as well.Nope, it was on MyNet in DC. Thanks, commenter Mike.
Glad to see Heroes held up! Trauma ticking up is a surprise, but it’s already been doomed to cancellation, so it doesn’t matter
I guess everyone who usually watches CBS just fled to cable last night given that other shows didn’t get much of a boost.
One Tree Hill had a strong episode last night and closed out 2 major storylines… nice to see it get a big lift over Gossip Girl yet again. And the preview for next week actually looked interesting… I think it’s found its footing again.
That’s a season high for OTH
Castle’s increase isn’t likely to help its renewal chances. It already has a back 9, and they’ll be looking at its numbers in may to determine whether or not to renew it for a third season.
I’ve watched an episode, and it’s an okay show, just don’t get your hopes up.
MNF aired on My Network in DC, not ABC.
wow, without “House” “Lie to Me” matched Heroes numbers, that’s a bad sign.
Hopefully Castle won’t tick down below a 2.4 once the football and DWTS numbers are taken out. I don’t think it ticked down last week once the DWTS were shaved off.
I really hate how MNF messes with the numbers though.
I’m really just tired of OTH. They honestly just need to end it. I mean, a 2.69 is the highest ratings it’s had all season, and it’s yet to break 3 million. If the CW wasn’t doing so poorly this would be bad ratings. Heck, on any other network it would have been canceled.
@Travis: my poking here was not at the fans of Castle (or Firefly, or Joss Whedon) but at the echo chamber of entertainment blogs. I can understand why you took it the way you did, but you shouldn’t
Ryan, if you think I’m ‘pished’, just wait until you see how Castle does as a repeat against a first run CSI:Miami, without DWTS as a lead-in.
Fair enough, jtm, but it HAS to finally pull it out of the red zone in the Renew/Cancel Index at least, doesn’t it? I know it’s likely to drop to perhaps a 2.6 (maybe even a 2.5) in the finals, but that’s still quite significant and wouldn’t look like a show “Likely To Be Canceled By May, 2010″ to most folks, would it? It’s getting harder and harder to justify it being in that range….
Okay, seriously–why should Castle fans be encouraged that it rose very slightly in the demo when its only real competition was a repeat–and it still didn’t win the timeslot, or tie, or come close to tying?
It can’t be first-run every week, and it can’t have DWTS as a lead-in every week. It’s doing as well as it possibly can here, and it’s still not doing very well.
Lie to Me went down without a lead-in from House.
Trauma went up to a 1.9- still not enough to save it though.
Another sad commentary on the state of NBC: I saw the 1.9 for Trauma and thought “…well, that’s not so bad” On FOX, ABC, or CBS, I’d be thinking “wow, that’s horrible”…
So, if Leno fails all week against the CBS reruns, can we say it’s a failure?
I’d like to be a little happy at the Castle numbers, but I’ll hold off until the finals since sports probably inflated the overnights some.
Trauma is up a smidge! It should still be moved, or at the least time swapped with Heroes. (It also shouldn’t get a backorder, but I don’t think anyone expects that.)
I see Castle dropping to 2.5/2.6 in Finals – essentially flat vs. last week, and any improvement probably due to Miami crowd not watching the repeat. Those vast Firefly legions simply do not exist (or are way over-represented on the internet).
Lie to Me didn’t drop much due to no House. Of course, it also wasn’t up much vs. CBS repeats. But it does cloud whether their improvement from last year is lead-in or scheduling.
Leno now should be worrying NBC. I mean, no House being DVRed, all the CBS shows in repeats, hell, their lead in up slightly vs last week, and they still drop. Is their floor the 11:30 ratings from last year?
“Didn’t come close to tying?” Those numbers look pretty damn close to me.
Trauma is up a “tick” but I wonder how much that will change when the finals are released.
Lie to Me built in total audience out of SYTYCD, but went down a tick in the demo. Hmmm. Does that mean its dependent on its lead-in or not?
I don’t see Castle ever doing that much better in the Live + SD. It does well in DVR and it’s too bad that doesn’t really effect it’s chances of renewal.
Wow CBS comedy reruns from 8-10 beat everything except ABC’s dancing and CSI Miami reurn beat Castle, looks like anything on CBS can beat the broadcast networks. NBC’s Heroes and Trauma still decline. With Mercy, Community and Parks renewwed It looks to be the end of the road for Trauma. Accidentally should get a full year soon.
Pisher,
I understand that your sad and lonely existence appears to consist entirely of trying to slam Castle, Chuck, Dollhouse, Nathan Fillion and pretty much 70% of the other shows on TV but the one thing you don’t seem to understand is that even if a TV show and it’s stars (Castle in this case) isn’t a smash hit that the people involved with it and the network the produces it are still far wealthier and clearly far happier than you will ever be. I understand that you have nothing better to do with your pathetic life but at this point it’s just sad.
Castle got a full season pickup and nothing you can do will change that. I mean, 3 years from now if its well into it’s 5th season are you still going to be trying to tell everyone how badly it sucks and deserves to be cancelled? Or will you still erroneously predicting that it will be cancelled? Either way, get a grip and get a life.
@Robert
Sorry for the overreaction/misunderstanding. Emotions are just rubbed raw when all of your favorite shows are on the bubble, but I’m sure you guys are used to that
Castle is only in its 2nd season while CSI:Miami is in its 8th. That show is more well known than Castle which is why it always does good. Love how people on here criticize Castle for not winning the hour. Like look at Leno! 1.3 is horrible!
Leno will never see a 2.0 again except maybe on Tuesday.
So Robert, Bill: Do you know whether the Leno 18-49 average (with the first sampling week factored out) has dropped below 1.5? I believe that is the line at which NBC execs had said Leno would still be profitable for the network…
I think that is indeed a season high for One Tree Hill. One Tree Hill did great in the ratings and demos last night. It has done a good job all season thus far. One Tree Hill continues to be a very good, reliable, and stable series for the CW!
My guess on monday bubble shows
CBS: Accidentally on Purpose – Full season or additional episodes soon
FOX: Lie to Me – Full season soon
NBC: Trauma – Cancelled soon
All of the other “bubble” series on other nights will likely be axed including ABC’s Forgotten, Eastwick, Hank, CBS’s Three Rivers, and FOX’s Brothers and Dollhouse.
MC, I understand that you can’t defend the ratings of the shows you like, so you attack the character of people you don’t know who are mean enough to point them out. And that pleases me more than you can possibly imagine. So keep it up.
Loved Castle last night. I too hope the numbers start to go up with the renewal and the end of MNF in January.
Good to see OTH and Gossip Girl up. One Tree Hill has been amazing all season. I really thought it would be a total failure without Chad and Hillary but already it has been better than both season 5 & 6! Keep it up.
Gossip Girl is all over the shop at the moment. Too many storylines that are not that interesting and that go nowhere.
You wouldn’t think a cop and a writer would make a good team…
But you’d be wrong!
WOOO CASTLE, let’s go season 3 pickup!
Grace W., They did say they would be profitable at a 1.5, but I don’t recall reading they said they’d be *unprofitable* below that number.
Regardless, unfortunately, Nielsen is no longer providing us with Live+SD 18-49 averages, only “Most Current” averages which combine Live+SD and Live+7 viewing. And for Leno, those “Most Current” averages do include 6 weeks of episodes. Of those, his lowest average is a 1.6 for Friday’s and his highest is a 2.4 for Tuesdays. But I caution in comparing the Most Current numbers to any Live+SD numbers, they are apples to oranges.
@Grace W.
So Robert, Bill: Do you know whether the Leno 18-49 average (with the first sampling week factored out) has dropped below 1.5? I believe that is the line at which NBC execs had said Leno would still be profitable for the network…
The season average should still be well above 1.5, but last week it averaged only 1.54.
I can’t believe that NBC will keep Leno on longer than one year if his numbers stay THIS bad. Perhaps he could catch on during the doldrums of summer ‘10? Seems the longer they stick with this experiment the more difficult it will be to climb back?
rob, again–CSI:Miami was a REPEAT. Castle was FIRST-RUN. Leno was not a factor. Castle had by far the biggest lead-in. And it still didn’t come close to winning the timeslot, nor did it register a series-high.
So again-what do you think happens when Castle is a repeat, CSI & Leno are first-run, and DWTS is in hiatus?
“You wouldn’t think a cop and a writer would make a good team…”
But if you’re a typical Castle viewer, you’re getting on in years, and have fallen asleep while watching Dancing with the Stars. So what does it really matter?
One Tree Hill > Jay Leno.
Pish,
The ratings of the shows I watch defend themselves. They are, after all, still on the air are they not? However, your infestation of Berman’s site has now unfortunately spread over here which is a travesty for every visitor of this site who has to read your drivel on a daily basis.
Pisher, Castle will always have DWTS lead-in. When Dancing ends in November, Castle will most likely go into repeats in December. In January and February, The Bachelor and True Beauty will be on Monday nights. Castle will probably come back in March with Dancing unless ABC is stupid and changes the timeslot!
pisher – obviously Castle’s numbers are going to go down after Dancing ends, but ABC still wants to develop the series. What About Brian, October Road, Samantha Who all did badly after Dancing ended, but maybe Castle wont do too bad. ABC knows that it will never completely beat CBS’s dramas at 10pm, but they hope to at least hold up. Who knows if most people even noticed that CSI Miami was a repeat, they just watch it anyway. Like how NCIS got over 11 million viewers and higher than both Ghost Whisperer and Numb3rs when it filled in fridays at 9 last year.
Bill, Rob, should FOX be concerned at all that Lie To Me was down from a 2.9 to a 2.5 in the demos and lost 1.5 million viewers, from 7.79 million to 6.28 million?
I know that puts the show on the bubble, but it also seems to me those aren’t much better than Prison Break’s from last year, isn’t it?
@The_GodfatherSJP,
This is the first week that Lie To Me hasn’t benenfited from the House lead-in, so the drop should have been expected.
Great Heroes season.
“ABC knows it will never completely beat CBS’ dramas at 10pm”
Yeah, I’m sure they bring that up regularly at meetings–”We can’t possibly ever beat CBS, so we might as well just keep running loser shows with lousy demo forever.”
I agree with pisher. He has a good point. He can come back here whenever he wants. If you don’t like him, don’t read him. It’s internet for god’s sake.
[quote]The ratings of the shows I watch defend themselves.[/quote]
Does this include Dollhouse? You did happen to mention it.
[quote] They are, after all, still on the air are they not?[/quote]
Hey, so’s Eastwick. Your point being……?
Pisher, ABC can try as many show as they want in that timeslot. They will all get about the same ratings, maybe worse! ABC is happy they beat CBS 10 o’clock hour on Thursdays and Sundays.
anonymous …the only point from pisher is : I hat Fillion/Castle/whedon and tha’s it ..this was already clear months ago…. the rest is boredom
Well it looks like NBC’s attempt to save money is losing them ratings. If I were an NBC affilate I would be angry, and demand that they pull their little golden boy off.
Keep in mind that there was football in Philly at 10PM instead of Castle. Castle’s numbers are DEFINITELY going to come down in the finals.
Having watched “Castle” for the first time last night, I was pleasantly surprised by how funny and lighthearted it was. It wouldn’t surprise me if it continues to grow throughout the season as more people become exposed to it. There is definately some good chemistry between the two leads. Its numbers really aren’t that bad considering its up vs last spring despite a smaller lead in from DWTS.I for one would love to see how it would do in the 8 or 9pm hour. 10pm is late for a show of this type, but ABC likely will leave it where it is. Nevertheless, considering its overall growth so far, I see this show hanging around at least 3 or 4 seasons. ABC needs more middling shows that can do a 2.5 or better. Add the syndication potential to the equation, and the decision to keep is a no brainer.
Castle’s timeslot is by no means set in stone; ABC could easily feel the promotional platform of DWTS warrants a new show afterward with a potentially higher ceiling.
Then again, no one (probably including ABC) knows when their shows are being scheduled for February – or even which shows are (Do they bring in Copper out of desperation? Do they keep True Beauty out of winter and air it in spring proper – I find it extremely unlikely, but others differ.) If anything, Castle’s Spring slot depends more on what ABC decides to do with their current T/W 9pm hours than anything else: Does Lost take back Wed 9 or end up at T/W10? Does ABC sacrifice the fading Dancing Results or a scripted show vs Idol at Tue 8? Etc.
UH, if Castle were getting the ratings it ought to be getting with such a huge lead-in and so little competition, I’d have NOTHING to say about it. Good ratings would shut me up good. But Castle has yet to get good ratings. And just wait for the really bad ones.
I have been wondering, if the dvr numbers don’t matter, why do they go to the time and expense of collecting them? If the networks don’t consider them, and the advertisers don’t care because viewers generally zip through the ads anyway, what purpose is there, except just out of curiousity?
@UH : the only point from pisher is : I hat Fillion/Castle/whedon and tha’s it ..this was already clear months ago… the rest is boredom
the same can be said for the fans of Dollhouse (except for JBF,the best poster ever), the Whedon fans, the SCC fans, the Summer Glau fans that keep posting over and over again repeating always the same points ’till boredom.
If someone can put up with them, he can also put up with pisher.
lainey, the C+3 day commercial ratings do matter for the prospects for a show (for the pricing of advertising) and include the DVR viewing of the average commercial minute in a show up to 3 days after airdate.
And the “don’t matter” (at least when I write it) means doesn’t matter for the revenue of a show, and therefore its future potential. By that standard, plenty of other numbers collected by Nielsen “don’t matter” either, like average viewership and HH viewership, among others.
Pisher : I do not even watch Castle
So ..who cares ? However , and again , your not-point was clear a while ago …so ….again … who cares ? just boring 
Uh, maybe you have some kind of disorder that forces you to keep reading and responding to posts that bore you?
I hope it’s not catching.
anonymous ; I can understand that “repetita iuvant” , nevertheless it remains boring , because does not had anything useful to the discussion ( if you want to have a discussion of course
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@MC
You’re right on the money concerning pisher. His ludricrous drivel makes no sense as usual and it looks like he’s here to stay. I haven’t visited Berman’s site for over a year thanks to his idiotic remarks and this is the last time I’ll ever visit or post here since he decided to ruin this too. What a shame internet doesn’t have some kind of laws against this type of trolling.
pisher your character is plain to see and well open to attack, so do not cry foul or claim to be somehow superior to those responding to your obviously baiting comments. Now whos a big boy now? Come on whos the big boy? Becareful with that arm you might hurt it patting yourself on the back.
Pisher : “I understand that you can’t defend [your not-point] of the shows you [do not]like, so you attack the character of people you don’t know who are mean enough to point them out. And that pleases me more than you can possibly imagine. So keep it up”…..LOL to you
Pisher – Its not something thats brought up, like how FOX was going to axe Terminator since February. Its something that ABC knows but that they wont admit. My bet is that Castle will be kept in the slot until March and then be replaced with something else.
Is it wrong to be more excited about the Generation Kill costume than about any possible Firefly references?
Yes? Then I do not want to be right.
Pisher — I completely respect your opinion and your right to voice it. But I’m curious to know why you’re slamming Castle so vehemently. Wouldn’t you rather find a show you’re happy about and talk about that, rather than being so bitter and spiteful all the time? Isn’t that a disappointing routine? And I would say this no matter what show you slammed, even if it was one I too hated.
@idizzle — Not at all. I was pretty excited about Seamus’s doctor costume, and I didn’t even watch GH during his run.
ABC never really moves around dramas, they just replace. Like Eastwick or The Forgotten. ABC wouldnt move these shows to save them, both will be replaced by new dramas in January. AN exception was last year’s Life on Mars being moved but it was moved to wed at 10pm to fill the Dirty Sexy Money void, to air out of the compatible Lost, and so that Private Practice could follow the show it spun off from.
Castle will follow the Bachelor in January until it finishes and if it still performs badly, Castle will get a replacement. ABC will schedule either 1 of their new dramas or Lost at 10pm wednesdays. ABC could premiere a new drama at wednesdays at 10. Move Ted and Scrubs to 8-9 wed, move the Middle to follow Dancing in March and air the final season of Lost at 9 Tuesdays followed by a new drama.
My guess
Mondays
8:00 The Bachelor/DWTS
9:30 The Middle (March-May)
10:00 Castle (Jan-March) / New Drama or True Beauty (March-May)
Tuesdays
8:00 V
9:00 Lost
10:00 New Drama (Happy Town, The Deep End, Copper)
Wednesdays
8:00 Scrubs
9:00 Better off Ted
9:00 Modern Family
9:30 Cougar Town
10:00 New Drama (Happy Town, The Deep End, Copper)
Thursdays
8:00 FlashForward
9:00 Grey’s Anatomy
10:00 Private Practice
Fridays
8:00 Supernanny/Wife Swap
9:00 Ugly Betty
10:00 20/20
Sundays
7:00 AFHV
8:00 Extreme Makeover
9:00 Desperate Housewives
10:00 Brothers & Sisters
@MC, Tony, et al.
Number one rule of the Internet: don’t feed the trolls. Pisher’s a troll and he thrives off getting a reaction to saying controversial things. Don’t react and he goes away. It’s difficult to follow through on it, especially if what he says makes your blood boil, but if you really wanna get Pisher to shut up then stop giving him reasons to post.
And at the end of the day, Pisher’s just another misanthropic asshole on the Internet. He’s nothing new, original or even quasi-brilliant.
Thank you for explaining that, Bill.
@Shannon
Don’t be sad over OTH. I bet you’re a Chad/Hilarie fan. You reek of bitterness.
I bet Castle sinks to a 2.4 or worse final.
Trauma’s rise, if it sticks in finals, seems insignificant. It’s still a terrible number for a terrible show. I’ve watched every episode and they’ve all completely sucked. I’m enjoying the horribleness.
OTH was very good last night. Dan got a great showcase.
Pisher did they kick you off the Berman board? I know you drove a lot of people away because you have certain hates and dislikes on TV and no matter how good or bad they do you will insult people who don’t agree with your opinions. Please don’t do the same to this board. It’s ok to have healthy conversations about this business without your snide, rude and insulting comments.
We get it, you don’t like Nathon . Enough already.
Go away.
Now I actually feel a little bad for prodding the pish.
But anyway, how soon until those final numbers are out? I’m still kind of new at this…sorry!
Lainey, Bill’s response is correct, but there are additional ways to think about “why do they measure it?”
The advertisers would not care at at all if the DVR viewing wasn’t measured. The TV networks foot the expense to measure it for at least a couple of reasons:
1.) they feel like they need to be able to track how many people watch shows: for PR purposes, for product placement purposes, and ultimately, if they get their wish (which seems doubtful) so they can extract some value even on commercials that are fast-forwarded over.
2.) though the uptick from the DVR viewing of commercials probably doesn’t mean anything to a show’s renewal prospects (and is meaningless for that purpose) the increases are big enough to be real money, are better than nothing and likely more than enough to cover the cost of extra measurement. though that would be interesting analysis to see if we could get it!
Ryan, we don;t typically post finals but @TravisYanan on Twitter usually posts links to them between ~4:45p-5p ET
So if CSI: Miami, Two and a Half Men and The Big Bang Theory can get 11m and 3 in the demos in repeats, can we expect NCIS to get 15m or more tonight? The CBS lineup repeats well and people may criticise them but it works although it is worrying that Miami repeats better than the parent show?
If ABC lineup don’t aired in that markets last night, wich night they now air this shows?
I don’t see NBC admitting Leno was a mistake anytime soon. They really don’t have anything to replace him with. But, I don’t think he’s hit bottom yet. I also don’t think his ratings will improve in the summer months. I think most viewers are looking at his show like a late night show. They either watch most episodes or don’t. He may get a ratings spike from a timely guest, but when repeats are on (in season or during the summer) viewers who aren’t watching him now probably won’t even think of him as an option.
That’s right…I remember that now from last week.
Thanks, Robert! Let’s hope for a 2.6 for Castle, at least. Can’t imagine there were THAT many folks still watching that laugher of a football game past 10:00, but we’ll see.
I really think that this “Castle” show should be cancelled ASAP so that Nathan Fillion can come back and do more episodes of Firefly! In its heyday, Firefly drew great ratings for FOX compared to my poor Dollhouse, so surely there are plenty of networks that are dying for a new Firefly! Maybe ABC — because they’d also have to cancel “V” to get Morena Baccarin back for Firefly too! And sorry, “Chuck” fans, but it’s gotta go, too, so Adam Baldwin can return to his greatest role!
Watch two new episodes of Dollhouse when it returns on December 4! Twice the Dollhouse means twice the Joss! Yay!
I don’t understand how select affiliates can air MNF. Doesn’t that defeat their purpose of making ESPN their to-go netork for all sports? And how dis MyNet get to air it in DC if they aren’t part of ABC? Also what happens to DWTS in those markets?
JBF, Clearly the networks don’t want another Firefly, it flopped as a series and flopped as a film.
When the local team is on monday night football. The 2 teams home markets are allowed to air the cable feed on a local channel. Its part of the nfl and tv agreement so that the local fans of the 2 teams arent locked out of watching the games if they dont have cable. I believe that the locat channells bid on the games. That applies to games on espn or nfl network. Hope that answers our question!
Joe D, I believe it was part of the MNF moving to cable deal that a local broadcast affiliate in the 2 teams markets would also carry the games, so 2 markets every week “syndicate” that MNF game from ESPN.
Likely that preempted shows get shown at some crazy later time, but we’ll see what we hear from DC and Philly folks. The Bay Area doesn’t get too many MNF appearances lately.
Cannot wait for “Chuck By The Numbers” to return.
“The Bay Area doesn’t too many MNF appearances lately.”
DC really shouldn’t be getting any right now either. And I’m even a Redskins fan saying this.
pisher comes off as a ratings freak, who frantically watches numbers all day but doesn’t care about or watch a single show. I can even imagine him hosting an illegal betting operation, where people gamble on shows getting cancelled/renewed. You know what? I bet he was the greatest Nathan Fillion fan of all time, before betting on Firefly and losing a substantial amount of money. “Laces… out!”
And about Castle vs. CSI:Miami – I’d be surprised if the millions of people who watch that steaming pile of… forensics show suddenly decided to watch a vastly different show that doesn’t cater to their tastes at all. Hell, even I watch Miami repeats sometimes, because you can jump in at any point, and unintentional hilarity is pretty much… *puts on Horatio shades*… guaranteed. *exit, stage right*
OTH makes good! Very well!
NBC should be worried about Leno…DUMP LENO!!!!
@ Bill & Mark:
Thanks for the clarification. I guess I won’t be seeing the option here in LA as we have no NFL home team!
DUMP Leno, and put repeats of Law and Order: SVU, at least could bring better demo numbers, and cost less to the network.
@ Grace W.
With my calculations (I keep final averages given by Travis Yanan). The Jay Leno Show currently has an average of 1.99 in the 18-49 demo with the opening week. (and excluding today’s fast nationals)
Without the opening week it’s holding a 1.708 average.
I find it interesting that One Tree Hill is dragging Gossip Girl along. Wasn’t it the opposite last year?
Also, there may be some oddity with the numbers in St. Louis. KPLR11 runs the schedule on 1-hour delay.
What’s really interesting to me is the Big Bang Theory has 5 times as many viewers as Gossip Girl at the half hour, and nearly 3 times the viewers in the 18-49. Now, how many of those are women?
@”Joss’s Biggest Fan”
It would take a hell of a lot more than canceling Castle and V to get Firefly running again. In fact, it would take nothing short of a miracle.
1.Chuck
2.Bones
3.Castle
4.House
5.Warehouse 13
6.Scrubs
7.Burn Notice
8.Defying Gravity (yeah I know, but sometimes its funny what you like)
9.Flash Forward
10.Anything, but a reality show.
Yeah Budo, nobody would ever think you were interested in ratings, posting here and all.
I watch a lot of shows and actually care about them, which was my point all along. You’ll notice that I rarely speculate on the bare numbers in the comments.
Pisher has already established that he just hates Fillion. So it doesn’t matter what the show does, he will just bash it anyway. He has nothing to add to the conversation every week except the same old bag o’ bitter.
HEROES HAD MORE VIEWERS THAN SYTYCD!
heroes had 7, not 6 share in the 18-49…
HEROES is like a rudderless ship going around in circles. How far its fallen from its glory days of Season 1. Its a shame. Hopefully they end it after this Season, its getting mind numbingly bad. The writing gets worse with each season. Its bad enough to make me wish the Wonder Twins from south of the border would come back.
wow, i just read this entire discussion, and i’m a little bit disgusted, to the point where i’m posting for the first time. i understand that the internet is a place to voice your opinion … but seriously, why all the negativity?! if i despise a show/actor, i’m not going to want to go online and discuss it until i’m blue in the face. just saying.
and “Castle didn’t come close to tying”??? let’s see, i believe 2.8 and 3.1 both round to 3, do they not? and 11.22 and 11.09 both round to 11, do they not? seems like simple logic to me. YES, i know that Castle’s final numbers will go down, but still “didn’t come close” is just a tad bit overstated. Castle’s definitely holding steady, which is a lot more than can be said for some of ABC’s other shows, so why it’s still “in danger of cancellation” is beyond me.
lie to me had 2.4 in 18-49 (m. berman)
nbc was betting on leno doing better vs. reruns…
oops…
dump leno now, dudes…
I live in the Washington, DC area and Castle aired there and not MNF.
Budo:
“Hell, even I watch Miami repeats sometimes, because you can jump in at any point, and unintentional hilarity is pretty much… *puts on Horatio shades*… guaranteed. *exit, stage right*”
I don’t watch sitcoms but I watch CSI:Miami.
I thought the hilarity was unintentional too… until one episode had a shot of Horatio in the classic Superman pose — hands on hips with fabric billowing in the background like the American flag and the camera held low to make him look gigantic. At that point, I realized that the hilarity was absolutely intentional — at least on the part of the crew. Whether David Caruso realizes it is another issue…
glad heroes is stabilized but hope it increases even more
Jon: With respect, I suggest you research ALL the comments of those involved with the Firefly film, (titled “Serenity” by the way), and then take a look at the revenue it generated at the box office, as well as DVD sales. Then, take a peek at what the vast majority of critics have to say about the film. My guess is, the are are a whole host of ‘film houses’ that would love to have had such a flop, as you put it, in their repetoire!
Budo: Great Comments. Any time I see remarks from people who have never watched a program, but for whatever their reasons don’t have anything good to say about it, I am reminded of a comment once made by a Philosophy professor I had: ” a view must have the basis of observation for it to be considered credible “.
I watched Trauma last night (for the first time) and it was pretty good–but there are WAY too many “main” characters. They should’ve had 2 or 3 of them singled out and give the audience a clearer focus. The others can be minor or recurring characters. As it is, it’s too much like Third Watch (which suffered from the same problem).
DMP–I suggest you hold your breath until Universal greenlights a sequel to Serenity. Which they would have done, if the box office and DVD revenue had been even halfway decent. Firefly failed at FOX and at Universal–which only proved it was Whedon’s failure, not the network’s.
Darci, in the game we’re playing here, 2.8 isn’t close to tying 3.1–and in any event, are you QUITE sure Castle even got a 2.8? You can’t even wait for finals to try your dodgy math?
The local affiliate rule was in place when ESPN and TNT aired Sunday Night Football. It also applies to NFL Network games.
Great episode of “Castle” last night! Browncoats rejoiced over the man, Nathan Fillion, returning as Captain Malcolm Reynolds(Space Cowboy)! Whedonites celebrated not only Firefly references, but also, Buffy the Vampire Slayer shoutout. Comic Book geeks got Frank Miller “Epic” and “Dark Horse” fanboy references. The Graphic Artist who did NBC’s Heroes artwork, also did the “Crow” artwork for this episode of Castle, along with a straight-out-of-an-episode shot tribute to “Heroes,” of Comic Book shot leading into real-world shot. “Underworld” movie trilogy shoutouts, and many more…and of course, lots of Castle, Beckett and Alexis.
Pisher, you are an “Internet Cockroach,” that unforunately I cannot step on with my “Boot-Heel.” I suspect that since you refer to Nathan Fillion fans, and Whedonites as “Nerds & Geeks” that you wanted to be a member of the club, but got turned down somewhere down the road for being too much of an “Nerdish Geek” for evan the likes of us, and Joss Whedon gave Nathan Fillion the unenviable assignment of informing you – that you were “Denied Membership.” And since then, with your “Lifelong Dreams” shattered – have resented Nathan & anything Whedon ever since.
By the way Pisher, I’m a huge Castle fan and I’m a Forty-Three-Year-Old Male. So I’ve still got six years left to go in the 18-49 demographic. Yes, this is an ABC show and I’m Male, so I don’t count, but I’m not an Nielson Home anyway, I just watch live and DVR it at the same time to watch again!
Bye-Bye Cockroach
Danny, please show me where I referred to Fillion fans and Whedonites as ‘nerds and geeks’–losers, sure. That they most surely are. But nerds? You are in much the same position as Milhouse on The Simpsons, when he angrily cried out–”I’m not a nerd!–(hangs head)–Nerds are smart.”
And like the singing&dancing cockroaches in “Joe’s Apartment”, I’ll be around long after your pathetic breed has gone extinct.
Good to see Heroes at least not go down, uptick would be nice, but hey.
As for Leno… Epic Fail.
Oh, and good one, Dan–”Don’t pay any attention to the 18-49 ratings, here is my own personal experience to refute them!”
That ALWAYS works!
Have you guys just been introduced to the internet? This pisher character is a troll. Unfortunately TBTN does not have an ignore button like Bermans site. He is only trying to get a reaction. Ignore the troll and it will go away…
Castle (58 minutes, 95% coverage vs ABC usual 97%)
- 9.987 million viewers
- 6.8/11 HH
- 2.5/7 A18-49
From Travis
I should have added those were final numbers for Castle.
Two weeks ago: FROM TVBTN
Castle (58 minutes)
- 9.768 million viewers
- 6.5/11 HH
- 2.3/6 A18-49
Last weeks: FROM TVBTN
Castle (58 minutes)
- 9.688 million viewers
- 6.5/11 HH
- 2.4/6 A18-49
This weeks:
Castle (58 minutes, 95% coverage vs ABC usual 97%) FROM Travis Yanan
- 9.987 million viewers
- 6.8/11 HH
- 2.5/7 A18-49
Up a tick each week – yeah
That was a good episode of Castle last night! Hope it stays above a 2.6!
Nice to see Gossip Girl stay above 2 million this week.
The act is really getting old, pish.
For Castle, I think last week’s numbers were:
- 9.688 million viewers (+ .3 mil this week)
- 6.5/11 HH (6.8 this week)
- 2.4/6 A18-49 (2.5/7 this week)
So, what’s all that equal? Steady growth, or stability at worst.
@ Kareem
Actually last season OTH was consistently garnering more viewers with GG as a lead in.
It has nothing to do with OTH being a bad lead in, it has something to do with the declining quality of Gossip Girl this season (which really means Hilary Duff in my book)
Blast! Took me far too long to type that. :-/
Good summary, marenamoo. Is it a blockbuster? By no means. But it’s steady, and with all their series that have bombed, I can’t imagine ABC dumping that kind of consistency. Now the question is: can it continue?
@Ryan47 – copy and paste
@Serena
Okay. That makes sense. I’m not a fan of One Tree Hill (I’m watching How I Met Your Mother when it’s on).
I agree that Hillary Duff is not my favorite actress. I probably watch the show more because of Chuck/Blair characters. They make the show enjoyable. Blake is sometimes painful to watch.
i don’t get why you people don’t like trauma…who hates trauma here??? i think its an awesome show
Usually record Lie to Me to watch Two and a Half Men and Big Bang but watched Lie to Me last night.
Have never seen Castle so we sampled that last night. Thought it was a pretty good show. Have only seen Serenity but got the jokes. It was fun.
CSI Miami is “fun” in a different way and is the best show to watch in HD on network TV but we decided to give Castle a try since CSI Miami was in repeats.
CSI: Miami is bad but entertaining and even the cast and writers with the exception of Caruso know this. When you compare it to CSI and CSI: NY it’s stands out as the weak link but on its own, it’s a good watch without being too taxing on your brain.
pisher: “Firefly failed at FOX and at Universal–which only proved it was Whedon’s failure, not the network’s.”
This is where you fail with people – they’re the viewer, you’re the suit making money off the show. Part of the reason why people love Whedon’s work is that his style caters to those who want something more out of television than Big Brother, Idol and other disposable, cheap stuff. He was ridiculed here for stating that he “doesn’t make hit shows”, but that is the essence of the problem: you assume his main goal is to make money for the network, and that he failed. And I praise him for making what ever the hell he wants every time, and hopes it catches on. The suits would have never given him money to do it if there wasn’t some hope that the drones out there, not just his fans, might give his stuff a go, it has happened before, and the blame is theirs, and the system’s, before everyone else.
Heh, it’s not that the networks don’t need him, it’s that he doesn’t need networks. I’m waiting for the day when he launches his first internet or DVD/BluRay based show, and sells it directly to people who give a damn.
NBC should start airing CBS’ repeats.
I loved Castle’s episode. Firefly custome, Buffy… the whole episode is great. It deserves to stay.
Budo, I’m waiting for the same thing–and for his fans to start their own internet, and stop fouling up the real one with their antique grudges.
Ryan, are we talking about the same Castle that got 2.4 in the demo last week against a new CSI:Miami, and managed a whole TENTH OF A PERCENTAGE POINT increase when its only serious competition was a repeat? Negligible gains in overall viewers, and far FAR below the series highs set by Castle early last season.
Yeah, steady growth.
Whatever pisher. Though I think there should be a separate internet where the likes of you could shout until you get bored and/or spontaneously combust from all that hate. It’d be much easier on everyone, and cheaper.
Guess Hilary Duff really IS ruining “Gossip Girl”, in terms of ratings.
Shocked to see OTH outdo it in ratings, OTH has gotten really bad this past season, they should pull the plug on that one soon.
The fact that a show like Castle can have almost 10 million viewers and not get renewed is sad for the future of television. Let’s get used to one season runs from more and more shows. Syndication will soon become a thing of the past or they’ll drop the number for syndication from 100 shows to 50. Wait and see.
Budo, if I’m so damn boring, how come I have to type so many damned responses to people who hang on my every word? It’s annoying, is what it is. IF YOU DON’T LIKE ME, IGNORE ME.
Unless, of course, what you really don’t like is the truth.
I’m pretty sure FOX isn’t pleased with LIE TO ME.
I wonder if FOX is ready to give up Thursday and switch FRINGE with LTM?
Or do they see the erosion of CSI and stick with FRINGE long term on that night. Either way both shows have been disappointments.
OUCH for lie to me it got beat by a REPEAT of Two and a Half Men/ Big Bang Theory. It’s a shame, lie to me is such a good show, and i cannot STAND and CBS comedies. They’re all the SAME! (excluding BBT)
@ Lenny
I don’t know if you’ve been watching the right season. OTH’s been really, really good this season compared to last.
I was pleasantly surprised by Castle and I think that its viewers will pick up over the next few weeks. Lie to Me is one of my favourite shows and I hope that more people will add it to their list. Tim Roth is wonderful: for a homely man he sure has sex appeal.
I ain’t doing this, pish. There’s nothing to be gained by it. We’ll just come back and try it again next week, eh? When Castle continues its consistency then, we can have at it anew.
I think Trauma is a great show, I’m 17, so I didn’t watch Third Watch back in the day, but Trauma is great, there’s a show that I can watch that I know isn’t marketed to anti-socialistic depressed girls, (Desperate Housewives, Greys, everything on the cw except maybe supernatural, etc etc), alot are good shows, but cmon, believe it or not guys watch TV as well!
NBC made a HUGE mistake of putting Leno on every night during prime time! I mean, it’s the same thing EVERY night, lame jokes and semi-hugh-profile celebs promoting new works of theirs.
What I’d really like to know is why on earth is a repeat let alone a firt run episode of any CSI franchise is garnering any viewers, you’ve seen half a dozen you’ve seen them all! It’s a 45 year old guy acting dramatically after seeing a dead body, despite the fact that their job is to go out of their way and search for dead bodies… and then 45 minutes later, finding the killer(s) and killing them or arresting them, and then they consider dawdling around to make one episode into two a “cliffhanger”. Oh what has happened to the days of TV shows that require people to remember more then just the names of the characters…?
Everyone please ignore the troll (pisher) that has nothing better to do on here than bash shows. If you ignore him he’ll go away
Pisher,
Constantly ranting on about “Castle” being “way below” Season One highs is incredulously misleading. I believe the Pilot episode for Season One of Castle – Flowers for your Grave, had almost Twelve-Million viewers, and 18-49 demo of 2.9 or 3.0; and slipped a little with each episode, but remained very high those first several episodes after the Pilot, thus, over-inflating the average numbers. Also, the Pilot for Castle was heavily promoted months before it aired, including The Academy Awards and in Movie theaters among others! Season Two of Castle, since after the Premiere Episode, gets no promotion what-so-ever, except ten minutes before the episode airs on Dancing With the Stars. So stop comparing Season Two averages with the Season One averages because of the Pilot, and first several episodes skewing the average higher.
With regards to “People hanging on to your every word?” Keep dreaming Cockroach. I take Monday and Tuesday because of my “Castle Obsession” and “Nathan Fillion Obsession” to search the Internet for news regarding both. And part of that, is coming to this site to get ratings for that show the following day, and unfortunately all this season, having to listen to your spiteful rants against Nathan Fillion and anything Joss Whedon related! It’s gotten beyond the point of pathetic.
My top shows tied for #1 I’ve watched in my life: Twin Peaks, Highlander-The Series, Adventures of Brisco County Jr., HBO’s Rome, and Firefly/Serenity. Way below that are some Whedon shows among many others, such as Angel, Buffy and Dr. Horrible’s Sing-Along Blog(Can’t stand Dollhouse), but Firefly/Serenity gets the nod for favorite TV show ever! If that makes me a nerd and loser, then so be it, but at least I live above the level of an Cockroach!
I followed Bruce Campbell through the 80’s and 90’s, all the way through Jack of All Trades, and have followed Nathan Fillion since Firefly, and in my opinion, they both have a “unique acting voice” that isn’t for everyone, but I Love! The only difference was Bruce had the physicality of a real-life Warner Brothers Action Cartoon brought to life, such as “The Road Runner,” that was used in Evil Dead II, that Nathan doesn’t have.
If you want to watch a show with an actor that has that unique quality that Bruce Campbell had, with the Whedonesque Humor from shows like Angel, Buffy and Dr. Horrible, and Charm of Cary Grant, tune into Castle on Monday nights; not just for Nathan Fillion as Richard Castle, but Stana Katic as Detective Kate Beckett, Molly Quinn as Alexis and the rest of this talented ensemble! Or you can watch that Mediocre Red-Head with “The Sunglasses” on CBS!
Goodbye Pisher, Nathan Fillion will be “Remembered” long after you have been squished under someone’s Boot-Heel!
Wow. Let me just run that impassioned rant through an online word counter–sheesh–471 words. Way to prove your point, Danny. You obviously are not the least bit impressed with me.
Thanks Pisher, is this better?
Yeah, better fits his attention span. That last post was just WAY too much for pish to keep up with.
I’ll make it really simple for you, pish. Castle is a FUN show. It doesn’t have all the moodiness of others like CSI, the repetitive and uninteresting plotlines and characters of many of the cookie cut “comedies” and dramas of today, and it doesn’t need sex or language or ridiculous amounts of violence to capture your attention. It’s family friendly, with enough romantic undertones to appeal to women (like my wife), enough plot to keep the attention of those that don’t just want blood and bedsheets and explosions, and enough humor for anyone. It’s very well casted, VERY well written, and just plain fun to tune in to.
I never really watched Firefly or anything Whedon. I don’t watch Castle for Fillion. I watch it for the whole package. Castle is a throwback to the shows people my age (WELL within the 18-45 range…I ain’t even 30 yet!) grew up on, shows that the whole family could sit down and enjoy. It’s not perfect–I wouldn’t want my young daughter watching some of the body discoveries, for example, though it sure beats CSI and others in that–but it’s pretty close.
Maybe you should try latching on to a series or two and watch it just for the sake of enjoying it, pish. Might do you some good. Certainly a better hobby than urinating all over those that do.
NOW I am done until next week. I really don’t care about the ratings overall, long as it stays on television. So that’s why I’ll be back next Monday and Tuesday, to check and see how likely that may be.
House didn’t do well in its first season either, despite its AI lead in. It took till season 3 to really build an audience (and then lost much of it through bad show-running decisions).
I think Castle has the same potential. It’s quirky and intelligent and has a very loyal fanbase. I can see it building the same way House did.
House, yes didnt do so great but after its Idol lead in it skyrocketed, 20million and over to be exact, and yes it had a bit of a rocky middle but it is still better than most if not all of the shows on t.v now
I am sad to see one tree hill, my favorite show, trailing most of the other shows on the monday night timeslot by big numbers. In my opinion, oth was never really given the credit it deserved in part bc the cw does a shi*ty job in advertising it! It is greatly underrated I mean maybe not the best show on tv (well according to other ppl except for me lol
…………. however if given a chance would surprise most people. I love the fact that there not in high school anymore it is kind of like a whole new show I since I am in my 20’s I can def relate, to the issues the characters have with relationships, family, jobs/work. OTH IS A MUST SEE FOR PEOPLE FROM AGES 20- 27 YOU WILL PROBABLY NOT BE DISAPPOINTED FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE NEVER WATCHED IT!!!!! anywya I will shut up now lol sorry……….. 
Those numbers are quite interesting. Wonder if they include the Jay Leno Fans who DVR him at 10 for playback at 11:35 p.m. Rather doubt it.
The “Record Jay For 11:35 Playback” movement is gathering quite a bit of steam. Fans of “The Tonight Show with Jay Leno” are rebelling against NBC’s decision to dump Jay for the extremely unfunny Conan “I Suck So Bad” O’Brien. Haven’t seen a ratings near my home nor those of my neighbors. Those numbers are skewed at best and do not accurately reflect the numbers of people watching any given program.
Those numbers are quite interesting. Wonder if they include the Jay Leno Fans who DVR him at 10 for playback at 11:35 p.m. Rather doubt it.
Yes, they do. The numbers reported here daily include all DVR viewing before 3 in the morning.