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| Rating/Share: Adults 18-49 | 3.7/10 | 3.5/9 | 2.4/7 | 2.4/7 | 2.1/6 | 1.6/4 |
| Rating/Share: Adults 18-34 | 3.5/10 | 2.2/7 | 2.7/8 | 2.5/7 | 1.7/5 | 1.9/5 |
| Total Viewers (million) | 10.426 | 14.404 | 5.617 | 5.650 | 6.707 | 3.460 |
ABC edged CBS for the overall adults 18-49 ratings on Thursday night, but FlashForward continued to slip in the ratings. After a two week layoff, Fringe dropped sharply to a 1.7 rating.
The extraordinarily good results for Univision on the night were all the 2009 Latin Grammy Awards, which aired during their entire primetime from 8-11pm.
Although it won the night, all ABC shows slid a bit in the ratings. FlashForward was down 4% to a 2.6 adults 18-49 rating. If that number holds up in the final ratings that would be the show’s lowest rating ever. Grey’s Anatomy pounded the competition again at 9pm, but was down 4% from last week as well to a 5.0 rating. Private Practice inched out The Mentalist at 10pm, but was down 3% to a 3.5 rating.
CBS was mostly status quo from last week, Survivor: Samoa and CSI were both even, while The Mentalist was down 6% to a 3.4 rating.
Some actual good news for NBC at 8pm, as both Community (2.3 rating, its best results at 8pm) and Parks & Recreation (2.2 rating, its season high) were up 10% from last week. The seesaw went the other way at 9pm as The Office was down 7% to a 3.9 rating, and 30 Rock was down 6% to a 2.9 rating. The Jay Leno Show was up 7% to a 1.6 rating.
Perhaps Fox was in a bit of a World Series hangover (or as several commenters have suggested scheduling confusion), but after a 2 week baseball hiatus it slumped on the night with Bones down a tenth of a rating point to a 2.5 adults 18-49 rating, and Fringe plummeting 0.5 points to a 1.7 rating.
For the CW, Vampire Diaries was flat vs. last week in adults 18-49 ratings, and Supernatural slipped to a 1.2 adults 18-49 rating, down from a 1.3 rating last week.
In Late-Night Local People Meters Thursday night:
- Conan O’Brien (0.9/4 in 18-49 in local people meters) tied CBS’s Late Show (0.9/4) in Nielsen’s 24 local markets with People Meters.
- At 12:35 a.m., Jimmy Fallon (0.5/3 in 18-49 in local people meters) tied CBS’s Late Late Show (0.5/3).
| Time | Net | Show | 18-49 Rating | 18-49 Share | Viewers Live+SD (Millions) |
| 8:00 | CBS | Survivor: Samoa | 3.5 | 10 | 12.270 |
| ABC | FlashForward | 2.5 | 7 | 8.574 | |
| FOX | Bones | 2.4 | 7 | 8.027 | |
| NBC | Community | 2.3 | 6 | 5.641 | |
| CW | The Vampire Diaries | 2.0 | 6 | 4.260 | |
| 8:30 | CBS | Survivor: Samoa | 3.9 | 10 | 13.143 |
| FOX | Bones | 2.6 | 7 | 8.899 | |
| ABC | FlashForward | 2.6 | 7 | 8.372 | |
| NBC | Parks & Recreation | 2.2 | 6 | 4.935 | |
| CW | The Vampire Diaries | 2.0 | 5 | 4.166 | |
| 9:00 | ABC | Grey’s Anatomy | 4.8 | 12 | 13.344 |
| NBC | The Office | 3.9 | 10 | 7.941 | |
| CBS | CSI | 3.4 | 9 | 15.062 | |
| FOX | Fringe | 1.7 | 4 | 5.140 | |
| CW | Supernatural | 1.2 | 3 | 2.759 | |
| 9:30 | ABC | Grey’s Anatomy | 5.1 | 13 | 13.899 |
| CBS | CSI | 3.4 | 9 | 15.210 | |
| NBC | 30 Rock | 2.9 | 7 | 5.940 | |
| FOX | Fringe | 1.7 | 4 | 4.763 | |
| CW | Supernatural | 1.2 | 3 | 2.654 | |
| 10:00 | ABC | Private Practice | 3.6 | 10 | 9.594 |
| CBS | The Mentalist | 3.5 | 9 | 15.513 | |
| NBC | The Jay Leno Show | 1.7 | 5 | 4.765 | |
| 10:30 | CBS | The Mentalist | 3.3 | 10 | 15.222 |
| ABC | Private Practice | 3.3 | 10 | 8.770 | |
| NBC | The Jay Leno Show | 1.6 | 5 | 4.679 |
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Time Shifted Viewing – Program ratings for national sources are produced in three streams of data – Live, Live+Same Day (Live+SD) and Live+7 Day. Time shifted figures account for incremental viewing that takes place with DVRs which are currently in approximately 24.4% of all U.S. TV households. Live+Same Day (Live+SD) include viewing during the same broadcast day as the original telecast, with a cut-off of 3:00AM local time when meters transmit daily viewing to Nielsen for processing. Live+7 Day ratings include incremental viewing that takes place during the 7 days following a telecast.
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Good for The CW, They finally have a hit. I can’t wait for it to beat Parks and recreation.
1.7 5 million for Fringe. Those look like Terminators numbers from Monday’s of last year. Is this a season low. Its to bad, the show is BETTER than last year.
Yea, Fringe isn’t looking too good at the moment. Wow! Those are NBC numbers.
That’s what ABC deserves for getting into the David S. Goyer business.
I mean, eww.
Almost everyone is down, too bad for FlashForward, Bones is already catching up.
Community climbed to 2.3, nice to see that!
Vampire Diaries with 2.0 is impressive for The CW
1.7 for Fringe is shocking, that’s a big drop!
@notty22…apparently, the new rule is that shows get better as their ratings decline.
Ouch for Fringe, it’s time for Fox Move out there and get back to tuesday.
Congratulations for Vampire Diearies is now a hit for CW!
If Fringe doesn’t improve significantly next week, they’ll have no choice but to move it. Even in a very difficult time spot, those numbers are unacceptable.
Nice to see community up. The best new comedy this year.
How did Grey’s Anatomy and The Office do with 18-34?
Ouch @ Flashforward. Double Ouch for Fringe! good job Vampire Diaries. Grey and Private practice good!
Crap, those are bad numbers for my two favorite shows, Fringe and FF. That’s a shame about FF because last nights episode was the best yet and they finally got things rolling. I wonder how many people didn’t know Fringe was back but I guess that’s no excuse.
Great news for Community! It’s going up and last night was another strong episode. I have a feeling it’s on the verge of taking off.
First time poster!
In the Charlotte area Time Warner Cable did not update their programming guides for Fox on Thursday so it still showed “World Series Game 7” instead of Bones/Fringe on the program guide. I’m sure this lead to confusion and a LOT of angry DVR viewers who missed the recordings sans the program guide update. Luckily I browsed my scheduled recordings earlier in the night and realized the error so I was able to manually record Fringe. I guess this impacts live viewers who didn’t see either show on their guide either and may have assumed Fox was airing something else or repeats.
Visiting a few sites where people post on Fringe leads me to believe this wasn’t an isolated incident with TWC Carolinas (maybe other TWC users can confirm). Seems like a lot of folks didn’t know Fringe was coming back this week (sure they promo the heck out of it during the WS but if you don’t watch baseball you’ll never see the promos). Probably going to make the DVR ratings look awful as well since a bad program guide means no recording.
I don’t care what people say, the fact that the people did not know that Fringe will be back this week (due to Baseball) is one of the reasons why the ratings is low this week. Hopefully it will pick up next week.
Not surprised that Fastforward continued slipping. Just surprised it took so long.
So no World Series this week, and just about everything drops. Huh.
I dont think that the Bones or the Fringe numbers matter much this week. Many people didn’t know that it would actually be on yesterday. Game 7 of the worl series was scheduled so there was no promotion on Fox saying that they would be back this week. I look for both to go up next week.
CW beat FOX in adults 18-34. Impressive!
Community and P&R both climbed this week. I’ve really gotten to like P&R. The Office, as usual, was strong with the 18-49 demo, but I didn’t much like the episode. 30 Rock was again very funny last night, but it slipped I think. I think it may need The Office as a lead in.
Also Good news for Community and univision. Too bad for 30 rock and Office they are down
I’m surprised that everything is down. I’m obviously in the minority, but I’m loving Flash Forward.
Interesting set of ratings today… good for ‘Community’, I hope it can hold there or continue to build. Right now its a stronger show than Parks at least.
Terrible numbers for ‘Fringe’, poor for ‘FlashForward’ – there is a show heading to cancellation come season end I suspect as the numbers will continue to fall I thikn – and ‘30 Rock’ too, really mediocre. Even w/ Office lead-in its only 300k more than Community and in the demo only 1 share higher. After 4 seasons that HAS to be higher.
im hoping next week when bones is back on th schedule properly, it can finally take the #2 spot in the hour for the demo!
You’ve got to be kidding about no promotion for Bones & Fringe? I saw about 10-15 different plugs for Bones (the Deadman’s Party) and the Chicken during NFL and Baseball. It was always — this Thursday and in tiny letter (If No Baseball).
Wow, Fringe got another kick in the nuts… Its probably to late to do something with it anymore. Fox gave it to the dogs, and they happily put it to pieces… Sucks, it was my favorite show. J.J won’t be happy with Fox decision. Remember when Fringe pulled a 3.6 and was beating the mentalist? Ah well… Don’t get attach to a show, it always end up bad.
Maybe we’ll get a third and last season on Friday.
VD is amazingly high and Supernatural is the same… Amazing episodes yesterday by the way
FlashForward, well, I don’t enjoy the show anymore. 6 episodes, absolutely nothing, creatively its just plain boring, no wonder the ratings are falling apart. I even wonder why ABC didn’t obligate the producers to come with a: “wait until episode 9, its gonna be amazing” like they did last season for dollhouse. Well, the show deserve what it gets, which is nothing.
So I guess FOX should just air reruns of Bones and Fringe since they did not have the time to promote the new episodes?
The Mentalist beat CSI in the total viewers and tied in the demo. I wonder if CBS is thinking of switching both shows.
Survivor is back being the landslide winner on its timeslot, amazing for a show almost a decade old and with 2 seasons a year.
I guess FlashForward will provide a good indication about how the ratings for “V” will map out in the future
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surprised that Univision is so high in 18-34, wow.
Woot for Community and Parks! By the end of the season they might actually be doing well.
People are apparently getting sick of Flash-Forward already. I don’t think people really wanted another Lost, those shows are so hard to follow.
Put a fork in Flashforward – it’s done! It’s already losing the interesting storyline now it becomes a soap opera of the week show. Only downhill from here in the numbers. I thought the idea was interesting but couldn’t be maintained over several seasons. I’m not willing to slog through 60 or more episodes to get an answer.
Survivor continues to hold steady. Now that we have hit the merge (a bit early based on previous seasons) things might pick up numbers wise.
I really really tried to like FlashForward. The pilot was terrific but the next few were sooooo boring. I stopped watching in the middle of the fourth episode and deleted the season pass. I don’t think I was alone. This show will be one season and out.
If V can survive the long hiatus after episode four and come back with decent ratings, then Flashforward will be gone after this year.
That’s too bad about FF.
Last night’s episode was one of the best! I hope it’s ratings can get back on track.
I hope FlashForward could bounce back, I really like that show, although I admit it was not as captivating as the first season of Lost but I’m still intrigued with the show’s premise.
I’m really surprised that FOX hasn’t decided yet to move Fringe to another day. Way to go to destroy such a great show. :/
I’m the only who really liked last night flashforward? that was a huge twist.. but maybe, too little, too late.
Wow, flashforward better think up resolving the show this season…
Long live, Survivor! Third highest 18-49 rating of the night!
Is a certain someone going to keep perpetrating the myth that “Fringe” (which, by the way, is a very expensive show) is a massive 18-49 time period improvement for FOX? It wasn’t true then and it’s sure not true now. But keep on writing it if you makes you feel better.
Speaking of which, it really disgusts me that what was supposed to be ABC’s comeback season gets overshadowed in the brain-dead media by how much more “improved” a network who had cruddy development and launched virtually nothing this fall is. I guess laziness and atrophy is what the likes of Media Life prefer to reward these days.
Fringe could just be out of sight, out of mind – it’s been how many weeks since it aired? Notice that Bones was down as well – by roughly an equal amount.
But add this to the other signs that Fringe simply can’t play with the big boys on Thursdays. Move it to Tuesday, throw Past Life or some Kitchen show in its old slot, and then reevaluate if Fringe should come back next year based on pilot status.
I thought FF would land in the mid to high twos… but I’m not sure it is stopping there. I’d say pair it with Lost, but what else can ABC really air at Thurs 8pm? MF+something could work, but MF would take a hit doing so.
I expect Mentalist to edge CSI in the finals. CBS sounds like they are committed to CSI at 9pm this year though. Silly in my opinion.
Bizarre how the NBC comedy ratings.. are actually in tune with show quality (Comm. and P&R are better than earlier last year, 30 Rock worse, and ratings reflect that). I again vote that 30 Rock should move to 8:30 at years end to incubate a new comedy at 9:30.
I don’t think V will follow FlashForward and people got tired of FF because of its poor quality. I think most reviews I saw, according those from viewers are bad. They need to bring someone new, someone that can put this show on track and keep the viewers. And the cast is really terrible
As for V, critics were positive to very positive, and the cast is doing a great job. so I guess V is gonna do well, if the hiatus doesn’t screw everything up.
Fox was screwed since DVRs still showed Simpson/Malcolm episodes for me. Thankfully I manually set it to record.
bones and fringe did get promoted during baseball, but it’s not the same when t.v guides dont show the programme as airing. If you have no intrest in baseball and didn’t watch it, you really had to look it up yourself to find out these shows were airing.
still bones did fine and is surely going to overtake FF next week.
That 1.7 for Fringe was most definitely *not* an improvement over last season. Kitchen Nightmares had a 2.2/2.3 in the hour last year. It was a 2 hour KN, maybe the finale?
Yikes for fringe. Those are the same numbers mercy pulled last night. Bones was down too I believe, but still…ouchy.
Ouch- Fringe did worse than a burn off of Trauma on Monday.
They can promote all they want during Baseball and Football, but if you don’t watch either sport you don’t get the memo if the program guide is also wrong
I obviously knew Fringe would be on but a lot of geeky sites I visit had people clearly confused.
Fringe is clearly struggling, but I think this weeks number is tainted a bit.
I worried for Fringe..
Bones (my favourite show) is down too..
Sad evening (is evening here)
i agree with pete zero
didnt even try to watch fringe cos the program stated was baseball
im sure this hurt fringes numbers
Community is slowly building. I thought the last episode was their tightest, most satisfying episode yet. If they can stay on the roll they’re on this show is going to follow the curve that made The Office the hit it is.
Flash Forward, on the other hand, is heading the opposite direction in a big hurry. You can almost feel the air escaping from the balloon with each new episode. I’ve stopped anticipating each new episode and feel more like I’m marking the calendar waiting for the flash forward date to arrive.
Fringe is like a Bones/X-Files hybrid. The actors are fine, the characters are basically there, the writing seems okay and occasionally inspired. It needs a “water-cooler moment” pretty bad – and soon. I hope it bounces back.
Vampire Diaries is really close on matching its premiere numbers of 2.1 and I think the show could do it
CONGRATS
I think V will hold better than Flash-Forward. People seem to be reacting more positively towards it.
I’m betting Fringe will bounce back last week, but still…it’s in trouble.
Vampire Diaries was awesome last night!
I wonder if FOX will experiment with airing “24″ on Thursdays after “Bones.” I just can’t see them wasting the “House” or “Idol” lead-in on what is presumably Jack Bauer’s final season. (Especially with two new dramas prepped for midseason, not to mention the possibility of “Lie to Me” getting a full season) “Fringe” Fridays after Kitchen Nightmares?
My online guide still showed Game 7 and did not have Bones and Fringe. That could have had an impact.
Private Practice’s lead in the demo over The Mentalist has almost vanished. Interesting.
I get the impression scifi fans find Flash Forward a bit dull/boring, whilst non-scifi fans consider it too complex/scifi? Sometimes trying to appeal to a wide array of demographic sees most slip through the cracks… it’s a pity Supernatural’s numbers weren’t higher, the episode was brilliant; gutsy writing. Parts of it seem touchy/feely/girly’, while other parts are so ‘blokey’! The same way it’s so funny, then suddenly so intense/heavy… every week the writing winds it all together.
I told a writer friend today, by the fifth season of Buffy, it was already falling apart, but the fifth season of Supernatural is just soaring… yes, I actually said, “I think Supernatural’s better than Buffy”. (I never thought those words would come out of my mouth!!).
SUPERNATURAL was AMAZING last night. KITT, the GA and CSI parody, the fake commercial, the opening credits with Jared Padalecki and Jensen Ackles on a bike,… I laughed so hard
DD
Flash Forward sucked.
Bill, is VD growing week after week or stable?
Holy Hannah @ The Vampire Diaries.
Also, sure, V will go down. Very very likely hard, but that doesn’t mean it will have to follow FF. It may well still settle on a much higher level. Then again, so can everything that’s just premiered or has not premiered yet, but claims that both shows are inevitably damned to the same fate are overstating it considerably.
Yeah, some people were confused about Fringe, but people were also confused about Bones, and it almost tied Flashforward.
Looks like the novel idea of FF is quickly wearing off as the show slowly slides towards oblivion. Survivor hit it’s stride last night with a great episode. Can any show ever dethrone Survivior on Thursday at 8???
Is there any numbers on Friday Night Lights on Direct TV? Plus I have never met anyone who likes Bones…I think its the worst show on TV!
Off topic sort of: Will Dancing With The Stars be back in the Spring?
As a big scifi fan I find FlashForward to be increasingly boring and I’d easily pick Fringe over it. It does feel like a show that’s trying to appeal to everyone and not really getting traction with anyone. I think Fringe loses a lot of live viewers to the Office which people prefer to watch live or near-live for the water-cooler talk at work the next day.
Just a brutal time-slot for Fringe all around though I’ve not come across anyone whose stopped watching the show since last season – they just watch it another night on the DVR or online.
At the risk of filling a square on the bingo cards, I had no idea that Fringe was on last night either nor did my DVR.
Wow. When aren’t CSI and The Mentalist not going to be the most popular shows on Thursdays?!?
I’m going to root for NBC’s comedy block. I can’t bring myself to watch the CW on Thursday. Of course, I’m outside the target demo for the CW.
I’m however, worried about the drop from VD to Supernatural.
We will not see Friday Night Lights ratings until it airs on NBC, and I can guarantee they will be terrible. But as long as DirecTV wants to keep writing checks, they’ll continue making episodes.
FlashForward is serialized, so it’s very difficult to attract any new viewers. With the continuing trend of downward ratings…well…you know.
Just watched some deleted scenes from P&R–hilarious! What a comedic gem that show is and it is catching on.
So Fringe is at the higher end of where Dollhouse and T:SCC were last year… but without the “Death Slot Friday” excuse.
I’m not altogether surprised. What scares me is after a brief attempt to make it work again, science fiction (even pseudo-science fiction, like Fringe) might, again, start being removed from the schedules as networks consider it too risky, expensive, and unpopular. And I doubt Abrams can pull off the same “We’ll halve the costs” stunt that Whedon pulled, Whedon at least had some experience of working with tiny budgets.
What, in recent memory, is considered part of the genre and considered a success after two seasons? We’ve had T:SCC crash and burn – admittedly because storyline suicide in the second season. Dollhouse continues to bleed viewers and it seems virtually impossible that it’ll reverse the trend before the end of the season. Fringe, albeit pseudo-science, is dying on the vine. Bionic Woman didn’t even last a season, nor did Journeyman.
In some ways a lot is riding on V to become a success and reverse the trend, but the writers have taken to insulting half of their audience, and the first episode didn’t exactly reek of smart storytelling or strong characterization.
If there isn’t a turn around, if at the very least one of the remaining shows doesn’t have its ratings suddenly soar, I expect far fewer science fiction shows to be ordered in the coming years.
My DVR recorded Bones and Fringe, but they were listed under my “The Simpsons” rerun season pass!
Can you blame the low FOX numbers on the fact that maybe people didn’t know new episodes were even on? My reasoning is the fact that my cable box listed the the time slots as ‘the world series’ (which stinks because I usually DVR these shows).
Ouch! for Fringe and FlashForward. Fringe could be because people weren’t sure it was on, especially since Bones dropped a bit as well, but it could just be people realized they didn’t miss it when it was on hiatus. We’ll see next week. With FlashForward the question is really just how far will it drop.
Good bumps for Community and Parks.
I think Mentalist could end up tying or even beating PP in the finals since PP gets a bit of overrun. We’ll see.
I dont get why Friday Night Lights does so bad….its a great show
I watch Flash Forward but it cannot go on like this. The past few shows have been the same; bore you to death and then something a little interesting happens in the last 2 minutes. Not enough to keep people watching. I see a one season show in the works.
Fringe? It wasn’t bad enough that it started out the episode with 5.1 million, but then a load of people switched off and it dropped to 4.7. Get rid of it! It’s an awful show anyway.
As the above poster said, some tv listings, including the listings on some DVRs and the widely used titantv.com listings, had a world series game in place of Fringe last night so I’m not sure all fans realized a new episode was on. And I’m not a fan making excuses, I only think it’s a so-so show but let’s be fair.
Fringe needs to be moved to another night. The competition is too much, and Fringe is a good enough show (as it showed last year on Tuesdays) that it can hold up on another night.
Do FlashForward’s current ratings actually put it in danger of cancellation? I don’t like the show and would much rather V survive, but these ratings still seem very solid to me.
Fringe and Dollhouse Fridays!
gene says at November 6, 2009 at 9:25 am:
“I get the impression scifi fans find Flash Forward a bit dull/boring, whilst non-scifi fans consider it too complex/scifi?”
No, everyone is beginning to realize that it’s boring – and ABC knows it. Trying to steer shows around cancellation is like trying to steer a supertanker around an iceberg.
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/11/03/ratings-predictions-for-v/32536#comment-151783
I’m going to go out on a limb and predict that Community will have overtaken 30 Rock by the end of the season (even with 30 Rock in the post-Office slot).
What the hell?? FRINGE’s numbers r horrific! I seriously do NOT wanna see that show canceled. It’s a good show. Flashforward’s down again…of course, but last night’s episode renewed my interest in the show. It was a good solid episode that gave us an important answer while raising a few new ones. For people that r bashing on the show for being too slow or a “soap opera”, isnt that the same things people said about LOST? Now, i’m the last person to compare ANYTHING to LOST..let alone FF which is nothing compared to the amazingness of LOST…but cmon. People were calling LOST all sorts of things…island soap opera..ect..i mean it lost half of its viewers! Fromm 22 million down to 11…but look at it now. We’re going to get a great last season to end one of the best shows of all time. So have some patience for FF..it might not be anything compared to LOST but it might jus shape up into a pretty good show
@DW
Do FlashForward’s current ratings actually put it in danger of cancellation? I don’t like the show and would much rather V survive, but these ratings still seem very solid to me.
The ratings put it in danger of not getting a second season, but not of being pulled this season.
Programming guide said “World Series – Game 7″ here in Boston on RCN, too. I just assumed that Fringe was a rerun…
Anyway, one more performance like that from “Fringe” and even the accountants aren’t going to keep it on the air for a 3rd year. That’s horrible however you want to slice it — time period vs. last fall, time period vs. last spring, retention from lead-in, time slot placement, year-to-year audience.
The only question I have is whether it was shuffled over to Thursday because of higher ad rates… or because somebody just wanted to get rid of it. With Reilly, you never really can tell. Although I am reminded of a season on NBC where every single Warner Bros. show the network had was unceremoniously yanked (except for “The West Wing,” which was merely not renewed). He clearly had it out for somebody over there. “Fringe” fans should hope that it gets treated a little better than “Joey” was in its second season.
Down here in Tampa, Brighthouse did the same thing to Bones and Fringe as Time Warner did to the other markets. It was listed as Game 7 of the World Series on the channel guide. I assumed they would probably fill it with repeats and never bothered to check. I would imagine that many other people did the same.
Bones has no excuse…Fox really threw this show in everyones face…all day Sunday during the football games and between every inning during the baseball games…its just a bad show, cancell it im sick of seeing awful ads for it.
I’m sure that baseball schedule confusion contributed to Fox’s drops last night, although it’s impossible to say how much.
But Bones only fell a tenth of a point, while Fringe fell 0.5 points. Wouldn’t you expect schedule confusion to either effect both about equally or even effect the earlier show more?
Didnt even realize FRINGE was even on, thought it wouldnt be back until next week.
Interesting how Community is nearly pulling the same amount of viewers as 30 Rock though the demos are notably worse. Also interesting how 30 Rock is pulling in the same numbers Community last did behind The Office.
Holy crap, Fringe. Your stronger than ever but your still sinking. My reasoning, besides it being on a Thursdays is it basically serialized now. There’s no CSI-like jumping in where-ever.
Hopefully, V will plummet like FlashForward. It’s time to dump Laurence Fishburne from CSI and get Grissom back.
WHAT?? Fringe was on last night?
Their numbers dropped because Tivo MESSED UP. Our tivo said it wasn’t on. UGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
I can’t believe I missed it.
BAD TIVO!!!!!
Comcast DVR Program guide > TiVo program guide?
::gasp::
So Fringe is the 2010 Fall season new Friday show on Fox? It’s not good that it keeps dropping. It had so much momentum from last year. I don’t think Fox gives up on it quite yet but they have to be concerned. I think though to be fair they will have to try it out in another time period to see if it gets better numbers. They had success with it last year on a different night. It would only be good for them to see if that can continue.
VD is a hit. Time for the CW to build off of that if it wants any chance at surviving. This show saved Dawn’s job.
Good for Community and P and R. There has been a lot of positive buzz from the media about both shows. I say NBC has to stick with them this year and next at 8 and get people used to knowing they can come back to Thu nights on NBC to see these two shows at that time. NBC has taken a few steps in the right direction lately. I’m intregued by what their schedule will be like next year especially with JJ Abrams on tap for a new show.
The CW could beat NBC on Thursday nights.
It’s not much of a stretch to think this programming problem for Fox was widespread and could account for that big drop, is it? DVR numbers may pick it back up but it seems even those got messed up. I think next week will be more telling for the show.
That episode of FlashForward last night was the one viewers have been waiting for I think. It was an amazing mix of character development and mythology building as the plot has taken a big turn. The pacing was better too so hopefully it’s a sign of things to come.
Riff- Wow. You are comparing Fringe to Joey? I saw some Fringe its first season, and it was ok (not good enough to keep watching); but Joey was HORRIBLE (and I even own all Friends seasons)!! You can’t blame anyone but the writers/producers for Joey. It should have been yanked off the air its first season!
And the comments about Fringe doing better than last year WERE relavant; however they aren’t this week. 1.7 is horrible for such an expensive show.
Kind of sucks that all my favorite shows on Thursdays are fairly low rated. It’s nice to see Community went up again, especially after a half-a-million boost last week. Parks and Recreation is one of the funniest shows on TV and it’s a shame it gets the ratings it does.
The Office and 30 Rock are both fantastic, weird they both went down on a night with no baseball. 30 Rock took a big hit.
I’ll continue to tell myself that the reason Fringe was down was because people weren’t sure it was even on (or new) last night. Hopefully that is true though, it seems like a lot of people didn’t know it was on. Please Fox, come January, move it back to Tuesday. It will definitely rate higher than SYTYCD.
It’s about time for NBC to can Jay Leno. Or give him one night a week. Wednesday and Friday are the only nights he doesn’t come in last. Whatever beliefs they had about the show being DVR-proof and depending on immediacy and beating reruns and whatever and blah blah blah have been squashed, so hopefully NBC takes a long hard look in the mirror after November sweeps.
all of the FF writers need to be told they will be fired if they don’t rattle off a string of great episodes that get some buzz to keep the ratings at least at the 2.5+ level or done.
FF should be around 3.2 to 3.5 right now and captivating…
The show had the Pilot and Idea to start out around 3.2 or so..and get to 4.0+ by spring.
the show is slow, boring, predictable….Mark Benfords Character is a joke compared to Cournal young on Star Gate..or other past leaders like Jean Luc Picard, The cheezy guy on CSI Miami,
I watch a comedy like Entourage and see Kevin Dillon kill it with great talent…then have to watch Joseph Finnes look rather pathetic for that role.
wow, FlashForward and Fringe are on par with or below Heroes. Are all my shows low rate?
nkinsey writes, “And the comments about Fringe doing better than last year WERE relavant”
If by “relevant” you mean “wrong,” then, yes, “Fringe” is doing better than last year’s time period offerings.
And I think 30 Rock isn’t nearly as funny as it once was. Some characters are now more annoying nowadays than funny. Too bad, because I’m currently re-watching the first season and laughing my ass off.
And on Office, ryan’s character is worthless now. The show is still hilarious, but he either needs to do smoething better, or just leave him in the writers’ room.
Ouch, and FlashForward actually went down in viewers throughout the hour. Not good, especially for an 8pm show.
Fringe was not shows on the TWC program guide in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. The only reason I knew about it was because I checked the Fringe website and it stated that an episode would air this week. The program guide on my HTPC still had World Series Game 7 in the Bones/Fringe time slot.
Riff- Percentages don’t lie. Sorry, they don’t.
HOWEVER, now those percentages are shot to hell (unless it can increase a bunch next week and the weeks after).
It’s ok to admit you are wrong sometimes. I do it too.
Explain Fringe’s 400K drop at the half. Even some people who knew there was a new episode last night stopping watching it.
Meanwhile, Bones increased 850K and 0.2 demo at the half. Apparently their friends let them know their DVR guides were wrong.
How much do starting NBA and NHL games have to do with half hour breakdowns.
Chris, its impossible to know direct cause and effect, but regular season NBA and NHL games pull relatively few viewers that their individual effects (as opposed to the hundred other shows on ad supported cable at the same time) are minor.
I think ABC should have done to FF what they did to V, put it in hiatus to fix the scripts and pump a little life into the show. I loved the pilot, but like others have said, the show is getting boring now. It almost seems like they had a great story for a mini series, and now they are just using a bunch of filler to make it 22 episodes long. At the rate it’s going this will be the only season it gets which is a shame because the show had a lot of potential.
Not surprised about Fringe since in my opinion it’s a horrible show. It was supposed to be like The Eleventh Hour but instead was a poorly acted and written joke as far as I’m concerned. I loved The Eleventh Hour and was sad that it was cancelled. I watched the first couple of episodes of Fringe last season and quit since the show was so poorly cast, acted and written.
Flash Forward was really good last night. It does make Castle’s ratings look pretty good in comparision to some of these other shows since it’s steady in the ratings and has about 10 million viewers.
The Vampire Diaries seems to be the CW’s best rated show.
Interesting how PP’s demos keep falling but The Mentalist’s demo stay pretty much the same. I guess people are watching what they recorded earlier @ 10 or just going to bed. I still am amazed that the senior citizens who actually think The Mentalist is a hip show can stay awake for it. Isn’t it way past their bedtimes?
It’s disgraceful what Fox has done to Fringe, It’s a fantastic show but its almost impossible to get decent ratings up against arguably the best comedy and dramas’ on all of tv in Grey’s and The Office. And the whole 2 week hiatus for baseball was insane, they should have aired it on saturday night if they had no other place for it.
FF is still better than the 23rd (of the week) hour of a procedural re-tread
Vampire Diaries is a force to be reckoned with It’s almost reaching true Blood’s numbers!
Univision tied NBC last night and beat Fox with the Latin Grammys???? WOW. IS that a wakeup call for the changing demographics of America or what?
Carol, the quality of the writing for Fringe has improved since last season.
Supernatural was as good as I have every seen it in last night episode. The Japanesse “nutcracker” game show spot, and the CSI takoff had me on the floor laughing along with the fake herpes ads. I only wish that this great show didnt have such a weak lead in like the Vampire Chronicals. I am looking for great things for the remander of the season from this show and if it is its last season go out with a HUGE bang.
Here in NE Ohio (Akron-Cleveland), not only did Time Warner not update their programming guide (which they never do), but also their DVRs no longer have the ability to set up manual recordings. That particular feature (along with about a dozen others) were lost when Time Warner did their software “update” a year ago. Since then, none of the features that were lost have been “updated” back in.
If you want to have some fun, call in to Time Warner to complain about not being able to schedule a manual recording and see how many ways the customer “service” reps can find to feign a lack of understanding about what you are even asking about. Apparently the definition of “manual recording” is so obscure that Time Warner reps have never heard of it. It’s sort of fun (in a sick, twisted way, almost masochistic way) to see how many times they will refer you to your programming guide as the way to schedule recordings (as if YOU are the moron who doesn’t understand how to use a DVR) before they get pissed at you and just hang up.
Yeah, I know, not really ratings related, except that Time Warner’s massive DVR problems ever since they took their guide software in house to save money has to be having a negative effect on ratings. DVRs constantly are missing programs because the guide is incorrect, and there is no way for the customer to deal with except to just basically go through the guide every night and tape everything one every channel just to be certain.
Oh. Wait a minute . . .
CM says:
“Fringe was not shows on the TWC program guide in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. The only reason I knew about it was because I checked the Fringe website and it stated that an episode would air this week.”
Is it really the case that people (indeed, putative fans) are incapable of remembering when a program is usually on unless prodded by some Robot Master?
Grey’s is slipping again……. HA
i think DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES COULD EDGE IT OUT AGAIN THIS WEEK
Fringe sucks
The only way I knew Bones and Fringe were going to be new was from comments on this site. lol.
I think it might have something to do with the confusion created by the world series originally meant for that slot. We’ll see next week.
By the way, back when these program guides first became common, say 10 years ago, or a little less maybe, Time Warner’s guide ALWAYS updated every day. Any changes to programming because of sporting events airing or not airing was always accounted for in the guide.
So, it’s not a technology limitation of any kind that causes the problems now. It’s a “We don’t give a F**K” limitation on the part of Time Warner.
Time Warner: Stealing your money as fast as we can!
woah flashforward going down hill wtf
Oh Fox axe that terrible show Fringe.
I’m puzzled about FlashForward. I know ABC viewers aren’t exactly nice about committing to a new serialized drama, but the network already committed to producing 25 hours. I always read comments how people are afraid to try new shows because they want to see if the network will stick with it or cancel….Isn’t 25 hours a clearer sign than anything that ABC is committing to the show?
Also, why do people who watch serial dramas always complain that the story isn’t moving fast enough? I guess I’m alot more patient than most viewers, but last night was only episode 7.
Thanks Bill-
the only reason I was wondering is because last night there were 10 NHL games and 2 National televised NBA games….
all in all…they probably took about 3-4 million viewers combined.
might not be much..but that is most likely skewed towards men.
and it would help push men to bars…not to mention Thursday is a big night out for many young single folks..exp men again.
If you have a male skewing show….maybe it will be hurt by it
Boris, if you set up a season/series to automatically record a program and for whatever reason the program didn’t show up in the program guide, it wouldn’t record.
That said, I’ve been a Comcast DVR user for over a year and I don’t think it has *ever* missed recording something because of program guide screw ups.
Schmoker, did Time Warner beat you up as a kid and steal your lunch money?
They aren’t the only ones that didn’t change the program guide. Comcast didn’t in my area, neither did Mediacom or Dish Network.
I can understand the issue about not being able to schedule a manual recording, but why not just record whatever was on the program guide? You would have still be able to record it.
Hooray for The Mentalist!! Another very entertaining episode last night. This season has been consistently excellent and the ratings are reflecting this. It has a very loyal audience which is growing every week. If only it was on earlier!! If it was back on Tuesday at 9 I am sure it would be hitting 18 or 19 million every week. It sort of reaches around 18 million now if you count the nearly 3m which DVR it.
By the way Red, I am not a senior citizen and I have never thought The Mentalist was hip! What I do think is that Simon Baker is gorgeous and can do no wrong!
The entire FOX schedule was screwed up. The cable guide here had baseball for the night, so my DVR did not even turn on to tape Fringe. I had to start it manually, and that was after missing the first fifteen minutes of the episode. I’d expect that the DVR numbers for this episode are going to be utterly horrendous.
Fringe is a really good serial drama with a great creative team behind it. I think it suffers from more people DVR’ing it than watching it live. Also, as has been mentioned to death. Serial dramas aren’t going to dramatically go up in the ratings and get new viewers.
I agree with the gathering consensus that last nights Flash Forward was probably the best episode since its premiere. Unfortunately, there appears to be far too much damage done, ratings wise, to see much – if any – improvement as the series winds its way to cancellation.
With respect to Fringe, I find it astounding that any FAN would rely on any source to provide them with scheduling information about an episode.
Many, and I dare say most ’schedules’ are ripe with errors ! AS for last nights’ numbers, if they continue to slide, I guess the hundreds and hundreds of posts that have flooded almost every TV related site by fans warning Fox that moving the series to Thursday was not very bright,
just might turn out to be correct.
In answer to Red’s comment….Yes, The Mentalist is on rather late for us Senior Citizen’s but I for one would stay up to 12 midnight to watch that show. To me The Mentalist has everything, drama with a hint of comedy and that Simon Baker has so much charm, he could get me to do anything!
Ive loved Supernatural since it started but the past couple seasons have been in another league creatively. Its running on all cylinders at Buffy/X-Files glory days in terms of quality. If it wasn’t for Lost I have no doubt that Supernatural would easily be my favorite show on television.
Fringe needs moved. Anywhere but Fridays or where it is at now. I knew the second I saw they were moving it there that it was a bad idea. Moving the O.C. to Thursday nights was able to kill one of the biggest buzz shows in a long time so why wouldn’t they expect it out of a niche sci-fi show? If FOX really wants to make an impact on Thursday nights against CBS and ABC put all the cards on the table and air Bones at 8/7c and House at 9/8c. I would love to see what would happen with a CSI, Grey’s Anatomy, House showdown. I think House may have the clout to make a huge dent in both of those ratings giants from years past.
@ NBCisaBUST
You obviously have NO idea what you’re talking about. “Bones” is one of Fox’s most stable, most consistent shows ratings wise. It’s already been renewed for a sixth season. It’s not going anywhere any time soon.
Robert Seidman says:
“Boris, if you set up a season/series to automatically record a program and for whatever reason the program didn’t show up in the program guide, it wouldn’t record.”
Yah, I understand. But then the essence of the complaints above is that Fringe has been cheated out of a half-point that would otherwise have been recouped by 3 a.m.
Judy – I completely agree! As a fellow member of the Simon Baker Fan Club I thought last nights episode was one of the best!
Does anyone else think that even if FF does level off around 8 million viewers that ABC will go forward with a 2nd season? Its gotta be looked at as a huge failure when a show as hyped as FF falls on its face after a big premiere. I still love every episode and look forward to it every week but I do think that the show hasn’t lived up to its potential or even its pilot. A large part of that may have to do with the stuff going on behind the scenes. I look for “V” to drop a bit next week and level around 11 million viewers by the 4th episode….and then drop drastically after a long hiatus and return against American Idol in March. .
ABC really needs one or both of FF or V to succeed. While Lost doesn’t pull in the massive amount of viewers it did in its first season they always had a solid performer with a devoted fan base to come back each Jan/Feb. If FF or V doesn’t get a second season I cannot see myself tuning into their network except the one half hour a week that Modern Family is on.
Boris, yeah, I don’t buy that reasoning either. On a percentage basis Fringe may be the bigger DVR show between it and Bones but the most recent DVR data we have, Bones has both more absolute DVR viewing and more Same Day DVR viewing than Fringe. For the 10/15 airing, Fringe had 869,000 same day DVR viewers. For a drop there to be the cause of last night’s numbers it would have had to drop down to ~ 200K last night. That seems very doubtful to me (especially in light of Bones’ #s last night), but we’ll see a couple of weeks from Monday.
dont blame dvr for fringe…blame it on being a awful show
It’s hard for me to believe that the Mentalist could absolutely destroy Private practice with almost 50% more viewers but be down in the 18-49 age group. I don’t believe the numbers.
“FlashForward’s” loss in viewership (in terms of millions of viewers) from the premiere to this week is roughly 32%- is that THAT terrible? “V” premiered to 14.3 million- if it drops to 10m next week, that would be roughly a 30% dip (in just oine week)- or, do we not think “V” will decline by that much in week 2?
JR, I think V will drop, by a large amount too, but it might then stay at that level. The problem with Flash Forward is the it seems to be sinking every week, which is not good. It’s shedding viewers all the time. If it would hold I think everyone could breath a bit better.
^I thought there was one week where it gained a little bit? Nonetheless, though, you’re right, in that if it continues to drop week after week, not a good sign.
“Grey’s Anatomy” is not pulling in overwhelming numbers, but they’re solid- it’s not like “CSI” is kicking its butt; lead by just 1.5m viewers or so. And, of course, GA has the demo advantage.
I DVR’d Flash Forward due to prior committments on Thursday Evenings. From what I have seen, FF just seem kind of slow/dull and a bit too soap opera like. A little more action please. I get it, the doctor/wife babe is going to cheat on her husband or something like that.
It seems to be missing something else.
FlashForward is so not LOST. FlashForward writers/producers seem like they are trying to balance revealing big plot points vs show longevity. Longevity is winning. As result, the show is plodding and tries to be compelling by relying on the relationships between the characters and those relationships are not all that compelling. The show is not bad, just suffers from the necessary production compromises.
Well, final #’s will change the borderlines, but for now: Wow, VD in absolute terms beat Fringe, and in relative terms (*1.5) was #2 in its hour.
I hope Grey’s goes up to a 5.2 with finals, and 30 Rock a 3.
ABC’s comeback season
ABC is down 6-11% across the board. I’m guessing the “V” bump gets eaten up when Scrubs and Ted come back.
No one seems to be mentioning the fact that this was the first new Fringe episode for 3 weeks.
Sigh… V vs FlashForward already? Just because two shows are based in Speculative Fiction means that they are anything alike. But that’s how they are judged I guess.
I think it’s interesting almost everyone knows how V will end. They just want to see how it unfolds. Meanwhile, FlashForward is taking some interesting departures from the source material, which is making it interesting for me at least (wondering how many FF viewers actually read the book). I want them both to stay!
But I am getting sick of FF acting like we’re goldfish… we don’t need to see all the flashforwards every single week… we know what they saw, get on with the story. I’ll blame an exec somewhere for all the repetitious exposition (did I give anyone a bingo on that one?).
an4rew, “No one seems to be mentioning the fact that this was the first new Fringe episode for 3 weeks.”
“Perhaps Fox was in a bit of a World Series hangover (or as several commenters have suggested scheduling confusion), but after a 2 week baseball hiatus it slumped on the night with Bones down a tenth of a rating point to a 2.5 adults 18-49 rating, and Fringe plummeting 0.5 points to a 1.7 rating.”
No one?
It was also the first Bones episode in 3 weeks, and Bones was down just a tenth.
The Mentalist is starting to turn into the best show on the broadcasters. Jane is one hell of a character.
Part of the reason “Fringe” dropped is that most cable networks still had the worldseries in the online schedule, so most DVRs didn’t pick up Fringe to record it. In fact I would have missed it if I hadn’t forced a manual recording of the hour. So I think cable companies may be at fault here. There was reason to believe that there might be a game 7 of the World Series so the schedule didn’t reflect a new “Fringe” until the last minute and I’m sure most people missed it because there was not auto-recording of the show unless you happened to catch it.
@Jeff L,
As has been mentioned numerous times…Why did that schedule confusion affect Fringe so much more than Bones?
Bill is absolutly right. Sure, the lack of knowledge can account for some of the Fringe drop, but not ALL of it. People may no longer be interested, they just don’t care enough to watch it live when there are other programs on they like more. Would anyone have ever really jumped on the Fringe band wagon if it didn’t get the AI love last year? I doubt it would get a full season with it being so bad.
Wow, surprisingly it looks like V will be ABC’s top show this week, that is if “Desperate Housewives” doesn’t do better on Sunday.
Flash Forward should be a movie not a 23+ episode show.
The Mentalist did awesome I love that show.
I watch CBS everyday except Saturday and Sunday but I do not watch any of the CSI’s they are all boring and are getting old so I think CBS needs to make a schedule change for thursday because both CSI and Survivor are getting same old, same old.
I didn’t watch baseball. I was surprised Fringe was on. I only found out because there was a topic about it on a site I read. I tried to let people know but I know not everyone caught it, even one guy with DVR didn’t have it recorded.
that guy on lost is so irritating on flash forward. He is making me not want to watch the show anymore.
Joe,
Survivor is still getting huge a rating…just because you find it to be getting old doesn’t mean everyone does
The finals are in –
Private Practice
- 9.110 million viewers
- 6.0/10 HH
- 3.4/10 A18-49
CSI
- 15.604 million viewers
- 9.7/15 HH
- 3.5/9 A18-49
The Mentalist
- 16.211 million viewers
- 10.4/18 HH
- 3.6/10 A18-49
Read it and weep CSI and Private Practice. The Mentalist beat you on viewers and the demo!!
Wow. What does this mean for FlashForward? Is it going to be in danger?
@MichyGeary,
It will still get its full season, but unless the numbers increase, it may not get a second season.
Again, ABC already committed to producing 25 hours of FF. Whether or not it gets a 2nd season is another story.
i never really got how someone could just stop watching a show in its first season, especially one like flashforward, but now i see, i watched the first few episodes on hulu and then i just stopped watching, i don’t know why, i really like the show and want to see what happens but i just stopped, its crazy you know
Yay, “Community”! I think last night’s episode is one of the strongest since the incredible pilot. It really established a lot of character growth for Jeff, Abed, Annie, and Shirley. Yvette Nicole Brown was the most hysterical she’s ever been; and it was great for viewers to get a softer, more vulnerable side to Jeff. (Also, it was beyond cute how Jeff and Abed became closer friends.) And Alison Brie was so terrific last night; I love her. This show is just…love. I really hope that the Golden Globes give it at least one or two nominations in December. If not though, I just want it to do well.
Loved FLASHFORWARD last night! I still think that it will outlast V, which can only go down hill from here. I hope both shows survive and get a second season. I don’t see how anyone could be bored with Flashforward last night, it was one of the best episodes so far and next week looks fantastic.
Everyone talks about the “potential” of FF. I watched only the pilot and pegged it correctly: Numb3rs + Medium + Grey’s Anatomy, with more wooden characters than any of those shows. It’s an FBI procedural with some doctors and prescient dreams. That’s not exactly potential. I also really couldn’t get past the idea that three California FBI agents would be immediately assigned to figure out (undoubtedly succeeding, eventually) a massive, global *scientific* problem.
I haven’t read the book, but know enough about it to know there is no way the show will follow the book’s explanation for the FF. It would massively disappoint the average viewer. So basically the TV writers are taking someone else’s premise and coming up with a completely new rationale for it. Seems kind a phony to me. Why not just start from scratch?
The V premiere was leaps and bounds better than FF’s.
looks like FF’s ratings drop had nothing to do with the world series afterall
@ Wendell
First of all its The Vampire Diaries and its the highest rated show on the CW. SPN should be lucky enough that it even gets that timeslot. Without it it would be below 2 mil
Is CBS doing bad or good?
Supernatural was pulling the same ratings BEFORE Vampire Diaries
@Jake, On Thursdays or overall?
On Thursdays: CSI is down since Peterson left, but it looks like it’s at least stabilized. They’re winning the night in viewers and coming in a close second in the demo, so no real complaints.
Overall: They’re a little down from last year, but all-in-all pretty good (NBC and ABC are down significantly, FOX is up). A few shows are looking soft, but their only real weak spot is Sunday nights.
I took a day-off.
Also that picture is on Downtown Los Angeles, on the heart of Broadway on Broadway Facing North Between 8th & 5th Avenues. I know, Because i live 5 miles from that picture.
On the eastside. :ccol:
revised:
Carol, Still hung up on THE Eleventh HOUR. It got cancelled, it was a bad show, not one good review about it and only a handful of people on the board liked it and it had CSI as lead in.
Fringe’s target demo isn’t old females. Elventh HOur was and it’s gone.
So sad to see FakshForward down.I hope it recovers.Grey’s wins again.Godd for the show.
I wonder if they include the viewers who prefer to watch these shows like flashforward online. If not then they really should and yea vampire diaries is good supernatural has been good for a very long time it seems and i don’t think they can really carry this storyline or interesting plot out for half as long as supernatural has been on. The greatest thing about it is that its the only show thats is still just as good or getting better thats on. I mean smallville (thought i wldn’t see the day bc of tom welling) has gotten dull and its about superman!!! also I can really appreciate an adult occult show…things seem to be more marketed towards the teenies too much. i have no interest in re living high school so annoying we need more vampire shows/movies that are about adults n yea true blood is cool but im sorry i dont think anyone on that show is cute. n the whole out of the coffin is a difference that isn’t as good as the whole cloak n dagger approach is to me. wld soo luv to see a show based of ann rice n not that crap they spat out when they did queen of the damned. Bring back LESTAT!!!!!
I think this is a week when every show is down, most wednesday shows were down too. I hope everything recovers next week.
First time I thought FF trumped Fringe (entertainment factor), even though I find the acting often sketchy.
I am surprised about Fringe though. It’s still a good show, even if last night’s was a bit disappointing.
Great to see Community slowly on growing, it almost caught Bones and FlashForward. Even if the numbers still aren’t that great, up is always better than down – especially since up is such a rare trend nowadays.
Hoo boy Fringe is in trouble. I don’t think the World Series excuse holds much water, since Bones seemed fine.
“It’s ok to admit you are wrong sometimes. I do it too.”
I admit my math is bad all the time. That’s why I’ll let the math dweebs on this board do the math here for me. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong. I’ll admit it. If I’m not wrong, then I will bend over so you can kiss my Irish ass.
KITCHEN NIGHTMARES
Sep 4 08 (combined 2 hours) – HH: 5.28 mil, 18-49: 2.4/7
Sep 11 08 – HH: 6.18 mil, 18-49: 2.9/8
Sep 18 08 – HH: 6.15 mil, 18-49: 2.8/8
Sep 25 08 – HH: 4.46 mil, 18-49: 2.1/5
Oct 30 08 – HH: 3.91 mil, 18-49: 1.7/4
Nov 6 08 – HH: 4.70 mil, 18-49: 2.2/5
Nov 13 08 – HH: 4.91 mil, 18-49: 2.3/6
Nov 20 08 – HH: 4.69 mil, 18-49: 2.0/5
FRINGE
Sep 17 09 – HH: 7.82 mil, 18-49: 3.0/8
Sep 24 09 – HH: 5.73 mil, 18-49: 2.3/6
Oct 1 09 – HH: 6.03 mil, 18-49: 2.3/6
Oct 8 09 – HH: 5.83 mil, 18-49: 2.1/5
Oct 15 09 – HH: 5.78 mil, 18-49: 2.2/6
Nov 5 09 – HH: 4.86 mil, 18-49: 1.7/5
I’m not seeing this incredible 18-49 improvement that everybody else is (we won’t even get into what “Kitchen Nightmares” had for a lead-in some of those weeks vs. what “Fringe” has… and we certainly will not get into the first show to have “Bones” as a lead-in in the time slot). I guess I must be wrong.
As for “Joey,” if shows were cancelled merely on the basis of how horrible they are, we would have been rid of “Grey’s Anatomy” a long time ago.
Riff Rafferty says:
“KITCHEN NIGHTMARES
“Oct 30 08 – HH: 3.91 mil, 18-49: 1.7/4
“FRINGE
“Nov 5 09 – HH: 4.86 mil, 18-49: 1.7/5
“I’m not seeing this incredible 18-49 improvement that everybody else is”
Did Fox broadcast the second half of game 5 of the 2008 World Series on October 29, 2008?
I wonder if they include the viewers who prefer to watch these shows like flashforward online.
The numbers here do not include online viewing, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t measured. The networks do keep track of who is watching online via legal methods (e.g. iTunes, hulu, network websites).
It doesn’t really matter though, because online viewing is minuscule compared to TV viewing.
Riff Rafferty, unless you work for FOX, your opinion counts for nothing.
Nice to see Community and Parks improving. Community is far and away the best new comedy this year, and Parks has improved so drastically in quality that it’s almost a different show than it was last season.
Please, if FF gets cancelled, I hope they at least wrap it up like they failed to do with Journeyman and Terminator Sarah Connor Chronicals. Why try out a show a show when you know there is a chance it will be cancelled without a resolution? This go back to Lost in Space in the 1960s.
The answer is pretty obvious. Fringe is more serialized than Bones, so that will be hit harder by a break in the middle of the season like this. Go back and look at early seasons at LOST when ABC repeated the hell out of it. There’s a reason they don’t do that anymore.
Vader, sorry, but no. Fringe is NOT Lost, and there wasn’t anything serialized at all about Thursdays episode. It was completely procedural.
Shame for Flash Forward. I absolutely love the show and the past 2weeks to me have been the best shows yet. This week’s actually I think was the best ever, who wouldn’t felt that coming. The story keeps twisting and it just keeps me coming back each week.
WELL DO YOU FREAKIN BLAME FRINGE? IT’S FOX FAULT, WHY THE HECK WOULD THEY EVER PUT FRINGE UP AGAINST CSI AND GREYS, ITS PLAIN RETARDED, IM BEGINING TO HATE FOX.
tvmegafan – if Fringe isn’t more popular than CSI and Grey’s, then it isn’t more popular than CSI or Grey’s. That’s Fringe’s fault, not Fox’s.
There’s a whole bunch of ways networks can cripple TV shows, but I draw the line at complaining that they considered them worthy enough to go up against stiff competition.
Flash Forward – Liked it at first with the the sci-fi/drama angle. Then the show started dragging. Then ABC forced lesbians and a Barbara Boxer wannabee into my living room which is when I pulled the plug. Looking back I would say FF jumped the shark after about episode #2.
I love Flashforward! I hope it stcks!