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| Adults 18-49: Rating/Share | 3.8/9 | 2.5/6 | 2.4/6 | 1.9/5 | 1.5/4 | 1.1/3 |
| Adults 18-34: Rating/Share | 3.5/9 | 1.7/5 | 1.8/5 | 1.8/5 | 1.5/4 | 1.7/4 |
| Total Viewers (million) | 10.38 | 8.65 | 8.14 | 5.50 | 4.00 | 2.31 |
Please note that the Monday Night Football contest aired on ABC on the Boston and New Hampshire affiliates, and on NBC in New Orleans. Those numbers are included in the numbers below, so expect the finals for ABC and NBC to drop at least a tiny bit. “Having said that…”
On a night of new episodes mixed with repeats and holiday fare (and against a premiere Monday Night Football matchup on cable) House was the night’s top show with adults 18-49 with a 4.8 rating.
Holiday classic How The Grinch Stole Christmas scored a 2.9 rating with adults 18-49 while the relatively newish Shrek The Halls averaged a 3.2 with adults 18-49.
As is typical CBS shows performed well in reruns, and a repeat of The Big Bang Theory with a 3.3 rating with adults 18-49 trailed House.
The Jay Leno Show claims one of its advantages is that it should do better against repeats, but last night against repeats of both Castle & CSI: Miami, Leno still came in 3rd with a 1.3 rating with adults 18-49.
Against lighter fare Heroes rebounded off recent lows, but I’m waiting to see what happens once the NFL game is stripped out (New Orleans market). Over on the CW Gossip Girl had a 2.9 rating with women 18-34, winning the 9pm hour in that demographic.
In Late-Night Local People Meters Monday night:
- Conan O’Brien (0.9/4 in 18-49 in local people meters) topped CBS’s LATE SHOW (0.8/3 with an encore) in Nielsen’s 24 local markets with People Meters.
- At 12:35 a.m., Jimmy Fallon (0.5/3 in 18-49 in local people meters with an encore) tied CBS’s LATE LATE SHOW (0.5/3).
Full details:
| Time | Net | Show | 18-49 Rating/Share | Viewers (Millons) |
| 8:00 | FOX | House | 4.8/12 | 13.18 |
| ABC | How The Grinch Stole Christmas (R) | 2.9/8 | 9.64 | |
| NBC | Heroes | 2.5/6 | 5.90 | |
| CBS | How I Met Your Mother (R) | 2.1/5 | 6.25 | |
| CW | One Tree Hill | 1.1/3 | 2.37 | |
| 8:30 | ABC | Shrek The Halls (R) | 3.2/8 | 10.01 |
| CBS | Accidentally on Purpose (R) | 1.7/4 | 5.40 | |
| 9:00 | CBS | Two and a Half Men (R) | 3.1/8 | 11.34 |
| FOX | Lie To Me | 2.7/6 | 7.58 | |
| ABC | Find My Family | 2.3/5 | 7.85 | |
| NBC | Trauma | 1.8/4 | 5.89 | |
| CW | Gossip Girl | 1.1/3 | 2.25 | |
| 9:30 | CBS | The Big Bang Theory (R) | 3.3/8 | 10.08 |
| 10:00 | CBS | CSI: Miami (R) | 2.5/6 | 9.41 |
| ABC | Castle (R) | 1.9/5 | 6.75 | |
| NBC | The Jay Leno Show | 1.3/3 | 5.30 |
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Definitions:
*Fast Affiliate Ratings: These first national ratings, including demographics, are available at approximately 11 AM (ET) the day after telecast, and are released to subscribing customers daily. These data, from the National People Meter sample, are strictly time-period information, based on the normal broadcast network feed, and include all programming on the affiliated stations, sometimes including network programming, sometimes not. The figures may include stations that did not air the entire network feed, as well as local news breaks or cutaways for local coverage or other programming. Fast Affiliate ratings are not as useful for live programs and are likely to differ significantly from the final results, because the data reflect normal broadcast feed patterns. For example, with a World Series game, Fast Affiliate Ratings would include whatever aired from 8-11PM on affiliates in the Pacific Time Zone, following the live football game, but not game coverage that begins at 5PM PT. The same would be true of Presidential debates as well as live award shows and breaking news reports.
Rating: Estimated percentage of the universe of TV households (or other specified group) tuned to a program in the average minute. Ratings are expressed as a percent.
Share (of Audience): The percent of households (or persons) using television who are tuned to a specific program, station or network in a specific area at a specific time. (See also, Rating, which represents tuning or viewing as a percent of the entire population being measured.)
Time Shifted Viewing – Program ratings for national sources are produced in three streams of data – Live, Live+Same Day (Live+SD) and Live+7 Day. Time shifted figures account for incremental viewing that takes place with DVRs which are currently in approximately 24.4% of all U.S. TV households. Live+Same Day (Live+SD) include viewing during the same broadcast day as the original telecast, with a cut-off of 3:00AM local time when meters transmit daily viewing to Nielsen for processing. Live+7 Day ratings include incremental viewing that takes place during the 7 days following a telecast.
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cw was very good in A18-34!!!
Isn’t a 4.8/12 share among A18-49 low for House?
Yay for Heroes!!!
Is that usually on par for how Castle reruns? I don’t watch the show but that seems slightly impressive.
So now Heroes is probably going to be back on the Renew side of the Renew/ Cancel index.
Alexia, no, it can’t be since last week was lower
(edit: sorry for skimming over AMONG, yes, it is among the lowest, just not the lowest)!
Sleeper, sadly, I don’t have good recall on prior performance of Castle reruns.
Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but …
Do repeats get averaged into the renew/cancel index?
The Grinch classic is about right, while Shrek the Halls will probably drop since football started at like 8:30.
Leno is just pathetic, getting beaten by repeats on ABC and CBS.
a 2.9 for Gossip Girl Women 18-34 is excellent! I would guess thats a season high in that demo.
@Alexia, yes, House ratings this season have ranged from 4.5 to a 6.7, a 4.8 is the second lowest.
Becki, repeats in a show’s normal timeslots are included in each show’s season average, but they are also included in each network’s average as well.
go GG
Ok, thanks Bill, but for clarification
I see that Castle is going to be repeating on Saturdays also in December. So these will not be counted, since they are not its normal timeslot?
Rob, the Gossip Girl W18-34 was tied for 3rd best of the season.
Gossip Girl only did better in W18-34 because The Big Bang Theory was a repeat. BBT does well in that demo, too. Next week GG drops again when BBT comes back with a new show.
Becki, correct, the Saturday airings will not be counted in the Monday averages.
I don’t remember what Castle did on repeats last season. I don’t think it’s done too well on Saturdays though. Unless these drop significantly in the finals it looks like it’s done ok for a repeat.
Becki, correct, Castle repeats on day/times other than Monday 10pm are not included in the averages that Nielsen (or I) calculates.
actually the 4.8 should be considred lowest because the 4.5 happened when House did not air in a regular time slot (that was when the baseball game ran over) You can’t really compare though because when it had higher numbers the denominator was higher too (ie it was a 6/16 not a 6/12) which means more people were watching TV that night and therefore there was a better chance to attract viewers.
I know that’s not a season high for GG because through the first 4 eps the average was 2.93 but I stopped keeping track because GG is so wildly inconsistent in quality this season so I care less.
cool for Heroes, optimistic that it won’t drop in the finals.
Gotta say that I am absolutely THRILLED that Jay lost to a repeat of Castle!
j,actually last night GG was the best so far this season.
Heroes will drop in the finals. I am sure football had huge numbers in New Orleans. Those numbers will be subtracted in the finals.
@Bill Gorman yes, House ratings this season have ranged from 4.5 to a 6.7, a 4.8 is the second lowest.
And I wonder why…
@girl Bill was talking about last week’s House’s ratings 4.6/12, so yes, 4.8/12 is the second lowest
Isn’t a 1.9 good good for a repeat? I’m glad to see Castle repeating well….
Nice to see Two and a half men/The Big Bang theory still kick butt with reruns.
i dont see what the praise about Gossip Girl is…. its a terribly low rated show…VP, Smallville, Supernatural, One Tree Hill, AMTM, and most of the time 90210 Beats it yet everyone always talks about it…..
Whether the lowest or second lowest, a 4.6 when it was up against repeats of HIMYM and no DWTS is not good news for House.
Last night was the Wilson-centric House episode. I wonder if that figured in the lower ratings.
Sorry, 4.8.
House owned
Becki:
One more point on repeats. This is the reason why ABC usually moves DH and GA, to a lesser extent, to different time slots for repeats — so they don’t count in season averages. If history follow, at some point this season, DH air repeats at 10/9 with extended EM:HE running two hours.
St. Louis market did not show HIMYM/Whatever crap is on after for some local programming special. Not sure if that’s true for other CBS affiliates, but that would affect the ratings.
Wasn’t House getting around 4.6-5.2 last season as well?
Is NBC bringing back Friday Night Lights?
I agree with you AG, it doesn’t look very promising for House
Is new orleans population 280000 habitants? So unless everyone watched the football heroes won’t drop too much !!!
FNL will air on NBC in the summer
Leno will be cancelled shortly.
I really think i could run NBC better than they can…what a bust
fra,
New Orleans market :
New Orleans, LA 633,930 homes for the 2009-2010 season. That is homes not viewers. The viewers must be over 2 million. Remember it is the New Orleans MARKET not just the city of New Orleans.
Castle will drop in the finals as MNF aired on the ABC affiliates in Boston and Manchester. Although maybe not as much as the other ABC shows since the game was a blow out by 10PM.
The ABC Holiday Specials did very well although i think Shrek the Halls might have been skewed by football, ABC have a new Disney special called Prep and Landing which I like the sound of, I do wonder why NBC decided to show Merry Madagascar in early November when it would have done much better business in December.
Surprised FOX has never ordered an Ice Age special or CBS have never ordered any newer specials as it seems only NBC and ABC seem to have them which are not classics like Ruldolph or Charlie Brown.
New Orleans is the 55th largest TV market.
I’m sure the game got a monster local rating, but it’s unlikely to have an outsized impact on the national ratings for the broadcast finals.
Edit: On the other hand, Boston/Manchester is #7, that will have a bigger than usual impact.
gmyers says:
“Leno will be cancelled shortly.”
Is that logistically possible? Can NBC find stuff to fill all those time slots?
Trauma getting 1.7 against a bunch of repeats in quite dreadful..
Additionally, FlashForward is currently getting around the same demos as Ugly Betty last year. ABC, put Ugly Betty back in its old spot..
I don’t think Heroes will drop that much; didn’t the game start at 8:30 p.m. Eastern time? More folks may have tuned into Heroes last night since it was the last episode for Nathan and actor Adrian Pasdar appeared on the Today Show. Got my fingers crossed that the numbers stay steady.
SGA
Becki, ignore gmyers. Leno is locked in through August at a minimum.
Nice for GG, last nights was VERY good
Im a Trauma fan and that is really really bad.
Does anyone think NBC will actually air the remaining 6 episodes next year?
Yay! Good news for Castle! Didn’t expect its repeat to do well especially without DWTS as a lead-in. What in the world did they put before Castle?! If I didn’t set my TV to autotune to ABC at 10pm, I would have missed the show.
I see Leno is doing well against repeats just as they said he would. Not!
I’m always amazed at how well TBBT does is reruns. 3.3 in 18-49 and 10 million in total, that’s better than what HIMYM/AoP does with new episodes. LOL It’s going to be a powerhouse in syndication…
MNF got a 66.7/84 rating in new orleans.
Overall the game got a 14.4.
Good for Heroes, great episode last night, but a sad one.
Football got a 66.7 rating in NO last night, so that could be a .2 maybe .3 drop in Heroes.
Ia m a castle and trauma fan and I watched Castle all the way from the begining and to all castle fans that are wondering if this rating is good for a reapt of castle…yes it is very good last season Castle usually got between a 1.0 and a 1.5 in the repeat range of Castle and last night exceeded that. As for Trauma i thought it was one of the best episodes so far of the season im surprised byt the rating. I hope that nbc will renew it, its the only show i watch that isnt going 22 episodes or more.
I’m curious as to why the NO NBC affiliate would show the game versus the ABC affiliate.
GO GOSSIP GIRL GO! =D sooo happy
Jared the long answer is more complex, but the short answer is: $$$$
House n GG were both awesome last night! wilson centred episode might have put some ppl off..but honestly they were the best episodes of the season..
I just looked it up. The 66.7 rating in New Orleans last night beats the local rating for every participating team in every Super Bowl ever.
The previous high was a 63.0 in Chicago in SB XX
So yeah. That’s mind-blowing.
wow. Indeed.
Wasn’t Leno supposed to beat reruns?
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That number for the Castle repeat does look good (even if it will lose a bit due to football in the northeast). Then again, haven’t recent new airings been up by around half a ratings point (A18-49) versus the first few weeks of the season? Probably a fair number of viewers seeing last night’s episode for the first time.
Find My Family got disappointing results.
I grew up watching Carson then Leno on the Tonight Show, and regardless of whether you liked them or not, they worked and were sucessful. Tried the new Leno for around a month, then just gave up. A few thoughts.
1. WAY, WAY, WAY, too many damn commercials. Yes I know all about recording a show and skipping the commercials, been doing it with my vcr’s for 25 years and still do. The dvr didn’t invent this, they just allow the providers (and advertisers) to track you.
2. Stop trying to appeal to the coveted 20 & 30 something hipster demographic, they for the most part don’t like you and never will. Sorry advertisers.
3. Bring the desk back, this isn’t PBS or daytime happy chat.
4. Drop 10@10, the childish skits, and the young hipster comics, they are NOT working. See item 2.
5. The set is awful, way too wide and cold. Perhaps someone thought this was the way to go due to the ridiculous new 16×9 aspect-ratio? Wrong. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
6. Some politics are inevitable, but keep them minimal and keep them balanced.
7. Listen to what your viewers are telling you, because at the end of the day we’re the one’s in charge, not the talent, not the network executives, and not the advertisers.
Ugh, can they cancel Lie to Me now? i know a 2.7 is a good rating but not when house is pulling 4.8, which is a LOW for House! They should have given Fringe the post House slot, Lie to Me would do worse than Fringe in it’s Thursday time slot
I really wanted Leno to succeed. Even if I can’t bare to watch it more than 5 mins a week.
Leno must go back to 11:35. Goodbye Conan. NBC should eat his contract.
4.8 is better than last week but still low for House for a first run episode. A couple of seasons ago it was pulling in 7 on a regular basis.
House also competed against reruns of HIMYM and How The Grinch Stole Christmas so that would have bumped up the ratings on this episode.
@gmyers; Leno is not doing well but it’s so cheap to produce that NBC may bite the bullet and continue to air it. It’s not like they’ve got a lot of good stuff to put in the 10 pm timeslot if they drop it.
Its worrying (to say the least) that Lie To Me hasn’t picked up steam this week with ABC way down with Find My Family and CBS in repeats. Honestly I remain amazed by how poorly Lie To Me is performing out of House, I honestly thought it would be doing much better than this because to me at least the shows fit incredibly well. It’ll be interesting to see what Fox does with Lie To Me midseason and whether they still have faith that it can grow into a hit.
At this point as much as it might kill it I wouldn’t mind seeing what it can do on Thursday at 9PM. I’m not convinced that it would do worse than Fringe, I’d actually lean toward it doing a little better purely because I’m an eternal optimist when it comes to Lie To Me. And Bones/Lie To Me works better than Bones/Fringe, at least on paper anyway and with CSI dying there’s space for a procedural on Thursday at 9…
Kate whether or not Leno is doing well really depends on what merits you’re judging him. Personally I think on the whole he’s doing about as expected and that financially NBC will be happy at least. It was never realistic to expect Leno to average much more than he is now, I’m sure NBC would like him to spike against repeats but its not the end of the world that he hasn’t.
BANG! BANG! BANG! nbc is finished.
Saw Jeff Sucker sitting on a nyc sidewalk with a “will work for food” sign.
Hey! jeff sucker McDonald’s is hiring.
LoL! LOL! Bang! Bang!
Alex, while I agree that Leno doesn’t need to beat repeats to be profitable. NBC set the expectations that he would. Since they sent the bar at him beating repeats, it will look like a failure to the tv press. Who knew that having a goal of beating repeats would be such a tough hurdle to jump for a broadcaster these days.
@Kate – a couple of seasons ago. With the TV climate today, it’s bound to drop.
Unless you’re NCIS.
Leno is toast, and it won’t take till August. A 1.3 is just awful, and while NBC publicly stated they wanted a 1.5, they were anticipating over a 2.0 I’m sure. Nobody puts a new show on hoping for a 1.5.
The bottom line is the affiliates cannot tolerate regular 1.3 nights. They’re bleeding viewers from the terrible lead in. Of the 41 nights of the new season Leno has been at or below a 1.5 about 18 or 20 times, and that includes the early weeks when he did fairly well. I’m paraphrasing an AP article I read yesterday.
To quote the guy at the very respected Media Week, “The Leno Show is an enormous flop.” And believe it or not, this guy is considered the barometer for a show’s success, not the moderators of this site.
I saw House and thought it was better than usual. I’m not a fan but they’re in the zone. Castle is a lot better than what I thought.
Leno may be profitable even with low ratings, but what about the damage it’s doing to the 11:30 Tonight show franchise. People who have watched the tonight show for the last 10 years or so no longer need to wait to 11:30, they can catch Jay at 10. By 11:30, they can go to sleep.
NBC not only gave up the 10pm hour, they’ve also spread the old 11:30 audience to two different shows. By giving Leno 5 hours a week, NBC have lost viewers for 10 hours a week. They should have given Leno 2 hours max, Mondays and Fridays.
Pat, you’re quoting Marc Berman at MediaWeek? He’s not “considered the barometer” of anything. No chance Leno is gone before the start of next fall’s broadcast season in September.
thatdude, it’s hard to separate the cause and effects for NBC’s ratings at 11:30. How much is Leno at 10? How much is Conan’s problem? Anyone who claims to know precisely is a fool.
Yeah, I’d say Conan’s problems are a little bit of everything.
1) Conan isn’t Leno so Conan needs to find his own audience.
2) Leno is still on NBC so his viewers may feel less loyal to The Tonight Show then they do to Leno.
3) David Letterman is at the moment a better known name (and at the least more controvesial)
4) NBC as a hole is down this year.
5) There is more late night competition on cable.
Now I wouldn’t rank any of those in order of importance or inpact, just a few of the reasons I see The Tonight show getting dinged. I know that sounds like a trifecta of Bingo Cards, but I promise I’m not running a save Conan movement.
Bill, you don’t think Marc Berman is right? Why not?
I bet NBC might of regreted getting rid of Scrubs, It would do a lot better than most of its comedys on right now.
Tonight I’m hoping Scrubs will get above a 2.0 in the 18-49 tonight.
So what are the chances that NBC drops Leno right about now?
Pat I doubt NBC ever realistically expected Leno to average anything higher than a 1.5, in their wildest dreams they might have wanted a 2.0 but a 1.5 was undoubtedly the realistic ceiling for the show after the first week or two. Its also worth remembering that before the show actually started airing in prime time the gloom and doom reports had predictions of it failing to top the 1.0 mark, something as far as I can remember has never failed to happen. More to the point judging Leno by the standards of a ‘normal’ show is pointless, it isn’t a ‘normal’ show and doesn’t have the same threshold for success and failure.
In terms of why people would disagree with Berman the answer is simple, Leno wasn’t moved to prime time to bring in strong ratings nor was he put there to keep the affiliates happy, he’s there to make NBC money and he’s doing that with ease right now.
Parenthood, on a practical level, NBC is not going to remove Leno from the schedule before next fall, they simply have nothing to put in his place.
As for Berman being the barometer of anything, that’s just goofy.
Nick the chances of NBC dropping Leno before the end of the season are zero. The chances of him not being back next season are tiny.
the soonest NBC would consider dropping Leno would be 2011-2012 when Leno’s contract ends. But unless they ditch Conan or Leno decides to retire I really don’t see them dropping him then.
The bottom line is the affiliates cannot tolerate regular 1.3 nights.
CW and MyNet affiliates do, all the time.
MooTrain, the St Jude’s special runs on various affiliates this holiday season. Tulsa put a local show on instead of AonP.
Jared, in November every network was represented, as well as unaffiliated stations, in regards to local simulcasting of NFL games on cable.
The big bang theory’s numbers are impresive, even the repeats get numbers most shows would kill to have! I’m happy for TBBT, the show is great!
Hmm, Lie To Me is looking more and more anemic these days…
I think Houses vaguely low numbers may have something to do with “Who Dat.”
http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/article/135246
Outlander – FOX will test Lie to Me’s strengths when it returns midseason. With every slot pretty much filled, Lie to Me is looking more and more to be a contender for Fridays at 8 or 9 (Unless FOX would miraculously decide to air it wednesdays at 9 when Human Target finishes, but its likely the 3 extra Glee episodes will air in that slot. I dont want to say Lie to Me will be axed but, who knows. My best guess is that Glee and Human Target get renewed while Past Life gets axed. Lie to Me may get axed, and Fringe could be saved. However its a long way until May.
As for Trauma, who knows when NBC will air the remaining 6 episodes. My guess is possibly fridays at 9 or replacing Law & Order around March (but that slot could go to a new reality series). The show is dead anyway. As for Castle, like ive said many times its true test will be airing without Dancing as a lead in and with The Bachelor instead. My guess is ABC will air the remaining 11 episodes in that slot straight until late March. Its likely new series will take over 10pm but how the show does in that slot will seal its fate. ABC has a lot of bubble dramas, mostly all freshman (Flashforward, V, Forgotten) as well as upcoming dramas Happy Town, Copper and The Deep End. I was certain that Castle would get a second year in May, and that it would get a full season in September but as for a third, anything is possible.
Dan I’m pretty sure that Castle won’t have it’s season finale until May along with the rest of ABC’s line up. The reason I say that, is while the rest of ABC’s shows are in repeats Castle will have to air fresh episodes to wrap up by late March. I don’t see that happening.
Tommy – Its likely your right, but Im just basing it on the fact that ABC may not want to waste a good Bachelor lead in with a repeat, and based on what ABC has done with the monday night 10pm slot in the past around Jan-May. Also ABC has a lot of new dramas for midseason so it is possible that theyd want to share the slot with a new drama like Happy Town for instance. A compromise guess is that Castle finishes airing around April and a series temporarily airs post Dancing (Like The Deep End which has 6 episodes).
Alot of ABC’s midseason shows don’t have 13 episode orders, so those can be aired instead of repeats. ABC can’t have much faith in them considering they didn’t order an initial 13 episodes. They could even be used to go against the Olympics instead of putting their regular series through the ratings battle.
On another note, looks like the Ugly Betty Wednesday rumors may be coming true:
http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/12/ugly-betty-moving-to-wednesdays.html
Is there any chance for trauma is there any way that NBC might keep it??
Just heard Ugly Betty is moving to Wednesdays. WTF.
Brad, I don’t get the move either. The show is clearly dead so this must be another lack of programming move. I don’t see the ratings improving all that much.
heroes.
Actually, there’s a new Bingo space for Ugly Betty – “Jay Leno killed her…”
But it’s nice to see Chuck do well last night…
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…oh, you thought I was a crazed Chuck fanboy?
Well, I am – but not the Nerd Herd model, but the one from Termite Terrace…
…who directed the one, the only Grinch (sorry, Ron Howard, providing the theme music for the original “Iron Chef” will have to do for you)…
…Chuck Jones…
…btw, the 58th anniversary of another Chuck Jones classic just happens to be on my birthday, December 15th – “The Rabbit of Seville” – sold at Buy More, and no doubt inculcated into the Intersect
lol
Quote of the day:
“As for Berman being the barometer of anything, that’s just goofy.”
You can say that again.
Why are people surprised #’s didn’t increase for new episodes vs repeats?
There isn’t a lot of crossover for fans and other shows, they don’t watch regularly.
For example expecting LIE TO ME, to do better against no DWTS & repeat Men/BBT is silly. Totally different audiences, very mediore procedural show.
I watch Procedurals and enjoy some of them, but i’m now starting to root for some of them to fail, there’s just to many of them, that aren’t any good. I’m looking at you LIE TO ME and NCIS:LA.
I know that the renew/cancel index is only for scripted shows, not live ones, but I would be interested to see what the Leno Shows’ numbers would be if it were on the index. Any way to get that?
Well done TBBT, great numbers for a rerun
Trauma did absolutely horrible last night. And against nothing competition.
Beaten by an ugly 1.5 against a repeat of BBT?
Even the paltry 2.3 for week two of Find My Family was able to outdeliver it by a half a point!
Trauma is done. No way they bring this back… unless its a Friday or Saturday burn-off.
How about this?
Wednesday:
8-Law & Order
9-Law & Order:SVU
Friday:
8-Mercy/Trauma
9-Dateline
May as well have L&O lead into L&O:SVU at this point. Besides, it’s gotta be able to get higher than Mercy’s average, right? Ship the 2 new medical flops to Friday.
Im so upset about Trauma. I love the show well I love Cliff Curtis. Lastnight’s show was horrible and Im a fan. Im starting to believe its DEAD and that makes me sad. RIP TRAUMA
Trauma was already dead, the reason they ordered 3 more episodes was for filler purposes only.
Tommy – Thats right, when NBC ordered 3 more episodes its just so they would have 6 as opposed to just 3. Trauma is as good as dead. As for ABC’s midseason dramas, Happy Town has 8 eps, Deep End has 6 and Copper has 13. My guess is with V likely replacing The Forgotten at 10pm Tuesdays, Deep End or Happy Town could share Mondays at 10. As for Ugly Betty, the series is dead but maybe ABC figures that the series would be a more compatible show to air with the comedies at 10pm wednesday. Another guess is that ABC orders more Scrubs episodes and shifts Scrubs to 8pm Wednesdays.
Dan you might be right about Scrubs, ABC may choose to extend the orders of either Scrubs or Ted depending on how they do. Whichever isn’t extended will finish it’s run by the time DWTS returns and the one that gets extended will get the 8PM slot on Wednesdays. That still leave RC left without a timeslot because I still don’t think ABC will shorted DWTS to 90mins.
Thanks Tommy and Dan for ruining my night LOL jk…but thanks for answering.
Alex says:
“And Bones/Lie To Me works better than Bones/Fringe, at least on paper anyway”
Just like House and Lie to Me fit incredibly well? To my senses, the flaw in both cases is that the similarity is but superficial–the genius protagonist (House) in one case and the expert with special talents (Bones) in the other. The thing is that neither House nor Bones hangs its hat on such schematic elements; their bread and butter is character interactions, which, from what I’ve seen, LTM has never succeeded in making particularly entertaining.
Any time Traumafan
Tommy – My best guess is Scrubs. ABC put a lot of work into relaunching the series and at the very least they may want to give it another finale. Its likely they order 5 more eps, move Scrubs to Wednesday so by March the sched could look like this.
Wednesdays
8:00 Scrubs
8:30 The Middle
9:00 Modern Family
9:30 Cougar Town
10:00 Ugly Betty
I doubt that Ted will be extended over Scrubs, my guess is that Scrubs’ numbers will be better than Ted’s anyway. Another thought is that ABC could switch Cougar Town and The Middle so ABC could air two Bill Lawrence series back to back followed by a “family” comedy hour. Also in the thrfeed article it mentioned that SHark Tank would take Betty’s slot. What would make more sense is to air the 5 remaining Shark Tank eps Tuesdays at 8 until Lost premieres and air the new Wife Swap season Fridays at 9 in Betty’s slot.
Also with no more available slots dont be surprised if by early April, ABC shortens DWTS to 90 mins to make room for Romantically Challenged. I doubt RC will enter the Wed comedy block, and its possible RC will become last years Surviving Suburbia. Or if ABC doesnt want to shorten DWTS, Romantically Challenged can become The Goode Family and get a summer burn off.
Perhaps put more succinctly, Lie to Me seems to take itself seriously. I don’t really see it being able to rely on “compatibility” with anything on the Fox schedule for a boost.
Jay is more than DVR proof, he’s Thanksgiving proof. Seriously, I think he got higher ratings than this on Thanksgiving Day. If they’re not going to hurry up and buy out Conan’s contract already, at least they’ve got something to run on Thanksgiving every year.
Granted, Conan’s show would probably be more appropriate for Thanksgiving. What’s more suitable for Turkey Day than a total turkey?
Well FOX tried compatibility this year on almost every night. It worked for SYTYCD and Glee, it somewhat worked for House and Lie to Me (though results could be better), and its not working that well for Bones and Fringe but I think that combo is less about compatibility and more about competition.
Dan, Cougar Town wont be moving from 9:30. 1- the shows content makes it a bad show for 8 or 8:30, and 2- It’s ratings are solid where its at, ABC wont move it and risk upsetting the ratings this season.
BIG BREAKING NEWS: NIKKI FINKE IS REPORTING THAT ABC IS MOVING UGLY BETTY TO WEDNESDAYS AT 10PM. Sorry for the all caps.
http://tinyurl.com/y8tt9tj
“I’ve learned ABC will move Ugly Betty’s time slot. The show had been relegated to the “Friday night death slot” of 9 PM during this 4th season, but now will settle into Wednesdays at 10 PM in the former Eastwick spot. An insider tells me, “We’ve been getting great reviews for the season but horrible ratings, and hopefully we’ve got a shot at lasting one more season with the move.”
Parenthood, you’re a bit late on that news
Tommy – The content thing is what I thought all along. Then I guess the Scrubs/The Middle/Modern Family/Cougar Town combo beginning March may work out just as well. Despite Ugly Betty likely moving to 10pm wednesdays, the series is still dead. Numbers may increase a little bit but not enough for renewal. Its just a good way of ABC saying “Well this show is pretty much done but we dont want it dying on fridays with really low numbers so we’ll move it a 10pm slot where it will get slightly better numbers.” Its better for the network that they air Betty with the compatible comedies and air some reality series on fridays, however it wont save Betty in the long run. There was a little bit inside of me earlier this season that thought ABC may order a final 5th 13 episode season of Betty, a la Boston Legal, but its looking more unlikely to happen.
Betty moving to 10pm could satisfy ABC’s need of not wanting it to die on fridays, as well as them wanting the series to air with their compatible comedy block, however the show is still done.
The Jay Leno Show is not on the NBC schedule tonight. There’s a good sign.
Alex, I want the names of anyone who predicted Leno would average or even get a 1.0 before it aired. It certainly wasn’t anybody at NBC. They’d never put on that show.
Bill Gorman – you don’t respect Marc Berman? I see he’s the go-to go for TV reporters. Well, how about Tom Shales, who also predicts Leno’s demise.
Pat, the only reason Leno isn’t on tonight is due to President Obama’s address. This won’t be a permantent change though.
Dan, while the move to Wednesdays will give Betty fans hope, I think it’s a false hope at best that the show will get another season. I don’t see how the schedule change will increase the ratings to a renewable level. Yes the show will do better on Wednesday nights, but the expectations will be higher as well. This is being done to fill a scheduling hole (and as an added bonus ABC can say they did everything they could to save the show.)
With Eastwick’s final episode scheduled for January 13, Betty could move to the 10pm slot as early as January 20. I actually did think the content may have something to do with Cougar Town airing at 9:30 so its probably better the series stays there.
Tommy – It is false hope, but networks do that all the time. They announce that they will do everything possible to save a series when in reality a series fate can be sealed by a network way in advance. Betty being moved is conveniently done to fill a scheduling hole (since a new drama like Copper or Happy Town probably wont do great in the slot) but ABC will never announce that the show wont continue, atleast not this early. Betty will air out its episodes in the slot, do slightly better but around March when numbers still arent good people will start to get suspicious and its likely by May, ABC will cancel the show.
Glad heroes is up a bit but come on america support it live!
Wrong, Tommy, Leno not being on the schedule has nothing to do with Obama’s speech. The schedule I’m looking at was drawn up before Obama asked for the air time. CBS and ABC have their usual programming at 10. NBC is airing a 2-hour Biggest Loser. A BIG 2-hour Biggest Loser, something they never would’ve scheduled for tonight if they knew Obama was gonna push the shows back. I’m not saying Leno is gone for good, he’s not, it’s just that pre-empting a show for a 2-hour Biggest Loser is…the handwriting’s on the wall.
ABC moving Betty to 10 is, well, crazy, no?
Ugly Betty is returning Jan 6th…Executive Producer Jim Weis posted it on Twitter
http://twitter.com/jimkleverweis
and by the way…YAY! I’m glad ABC is at least trying to do something because its been a GREATTTTTTTTTTTT season
Dan, It’s highly unlikely ABC will officially cancel Betty. We won’t know until May when ABC announced their fall schedules and Betty isn’t on it. Betty’s ratings would need to increase by 50% or more to be renewed for any other reason then syndication (And I doubt that they’ll want more then the minimum needed for syndication, but they may – just look at Scrubs. )
Good for Betty moving to 10pm, there will be no magical ratings improvement I guess but I think it could at least a 1.5 there (but hoping for at least 2.0) last Friday’s 0.9 was really embarrassing. The chances for renewal is still low but at least UB could end with at least more decent ratings.
I’m also wishing Scrubs will get the 8pm slot on Wednesdays so I’m hoping that the season 9 premiere gets decent ratings, a 2.0 perhaps?
I love Better Off Ted but given the anemic ratings on its first season, I’m not expecting it to last and will just enjoy the upcoming episodes
I wish ABC releases midseason schedule already.
Dan and Tommy, for gods sake stop talking about “its dead, theres no way itll last” because face it – you were wrong, it is moving to wednesdays and everyone said it wouldnt. mwhahaha and ya its probs dead but stop being such downers! Even if this is the last season, it’ll end right and not cancelled midway!
Pat, believe what you want, but NBC did push Biggest Loser back and hour for Obama which caused Leno to be bumped for the night. Robert posted the schedule change on Friday:
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/11/27/schedule-impacts-abc-cbs-fox-and-nbc-all-plan-to-air-obama-primetime-address-on-tuesday/34730
Leno was bumped for Obama, and no other reason.
Tommy – Thats why I originally thought ABC may give Betty a last minute 11-13 episode fifth season order a la Boston Legal, but numbers are still bad at this point. It seems ABC still cares about the series by moving it from fridays to wednesdays but who knows at this point. For synidcation purposes 100 is still better than 89 but Betty’s an hour long so 89 can work fine.
Forg – I want ABC to announce their midseason sched too but I think I have a good idea of how it will turn out. For the most part Scrubs and Ted will air in their respective slots until Lost returns, and by then the combo may shift to 8pm. However in order to fill Hank’s void, its highly likely ABC extends Scrubs to 18 eps and moves it to 8pm Wed. By then Ted will have finished up, and will likely be done for good.
Charolette – I actually was one of the few people that counted on the series moving to wednesdays. I thought ABC may want to do it in order to save the series and fill the void left by Eastwick. Plus Betty is compatible with the 8-10 comedies and now ABC can air Wife Swap fridays (or some other cheap reality show). As for Betty im really not sure what to think anymore. Ratings on fridays are horrible, yet its friday. People are thinking, why would ABC want to waste money on a low rated series, yet they like Betty so they can try to save it. I dont know what to think about Ugly Betty anymore, but all I knw is that moving it to wednesdays at 10 is a good move.
Sorry Charolette, I know the Betty fans are touchy about it’s future. Sorry if my postings upset people. But I’m only saying what I think and I have a right to do so. And until fans get that the world isn’t made of gum drops and rainbows and keep thinking that Betty is going to be saved by moving to Wednesdays (yes it will probably be moved, but no it wont be saved) I will keep saying it. Betty won’t see a new season for any reason other then to have more episodes for syndication. Don’t like my posts….don’t read them!
Tommy – Thats why According to Jim, Til Death, Scrubs, and Old Christine have lasted. Syndication, And if by some miracle Betty gets another year, it will be just for that reason. Sources are reporting that Betty is moving to 9pm Wednesday. Thats probably the dumbest thing ABC can do, breaking up their Modern Family/Cougar Town block.
9PM is a typo Dan, and the difference between Betty and the shows you have listed is that sitcoms do much better in syndication then dramas do. So it makes sense to add episodes to sitcoms. I don’t see the benefit for Betty.
I realized the typo now. While Betty is technically a drama it does have comedy aspects, but since dramas are an hour long, they can get away with having less episodes for Syndication, just look at The Unit. However the more eps of Betty ABC has, the more $$$ they make.
Did I miss the final numbers somewhere?
Becki, I haven’t seen final numbers for Monday, or Tuesday yet.
YES! heroes is rising, thank u god, i hope they arent getting canceled
Well Heroes wasnt against Dancing and also HIMYM and AOP were in repeats so that may have helped. When Heroes returns in January it will move to 9pm and air against 24, HIMYM/AOP, and The Bachelor. Based on this competition it could do better but only slightly
Tommy, no, Biggest Loser is not pushed back an hour it’s airing at 9 pm same as always. It’s a two hour Biggest Loser. That’s the second and last time I’ll bring this to your attention. Maybe the schedule is diff in diff. parts of the country. On the West Coast Biggest Loser starts at 9 and ends at 11, and i promise you affiliates are happy for the better lead in.
If Robert wants to believe every P.R. release NBC puts out then he also thinks Conan is the king of late night. nbc may have said leno’s pre-emption was due to obama, but if it were true there would not be a 2-hour Biggest Loser is its place.
Tommy,
OK, I read the Friday post about Obama affecting the TV schedules. I want you to go back and read it and tell me what other 10 pm shows were bumped for Obama. How many successful, highly rated programs were bumped? The answer is, none. Only Leno. Yes, the networks had to do some minimal juggling, but if NBC felt good about Leno and had him in their long term plans no way would they have bumped him. They would’ve re-scheduled a 1-hour Biggest Loser in place of the 2-hour, and then aired Leno.
Pat here on the east coast The Biggest Loser normally airs a 2hr episode every week from 8-10PM followed by Leno at 10PM. This week Obama was on at 8PM and The Biggest Loser was pushed back to 9-11PM which caused Leno to be bumped off the schedule. Yes NBC picked The Biggest Loser over Leno, but the reason they have to do that was because of Obama.
NBC: Will air the regular 2 hour version of The Biggest Loser from 9pm-11pm bumping The Jay Leno Show off the schedule.
Note it say’s NBC Will air the REGULAR 2 HOUR VERSION of The Biggest Loser, the Biggest Loser wasn’t a special 2 hr episode, it’s always been a 2hr show this season.
ANC’s address may have benefitted the Scrubs premiere, but FOX had to only air the half hour becuase they only program 2 hours.
Also, all of the networks made changes, ABC bumped the holiday specials to next week, CBS bumped a repeat of NCIS LA, and FOX decided to extend primetime to 10:30. So this isn’t something against Leno, The Biggest Loser is one of NBC highest rated shows, so of course NBC would choose to show it over Leno. You’re reading too much into things, this doesn’t impact Leno at all going forward. But you can think that all you want, you’re just wrong!
Dan FOX extended their primetime to 10:30, ABC only ran the address for 30 mins and ran a repeat of Modern Family at 8:30. CBS ran NCIS at 8:30 and a repeat of 2.5 Men at 9:30, and NBC used the entire hour for the address and post coverage.
Well im sure NBC would have rather have this address happen wednesday instead of Tuesday. They would have just shifted Wednesday Xmas at Rockefeller Center special to 9 and preempted an SVU repeat. However NBC couldnt have just split The Biggest Loser over two nights so they had to preempt Leno. Not that its a big deal.
exactly, Leno got bumped due to Obama – that doesn’t automatically mean doom for Leno like Pat is thinking.
Yeah I know, If repeats get pushed its not a big deal, as was the case for CBS’s NCIS. ABC could have aired the whole hour which could have helped Scrubs. I dont think The address will have a long term effect.
True, Sometimes things get bumped. Its not because of Leno, its just when something like that is scheduled and theres 3 hours of new programming on, 2 hours of which have to air together on that night, Leno had to be bumped. Theres no reason to look into it. Tuesdays worse because a lot of networks air reality series, and when its 2 hours like FOX and NBC, that have to air that night, you have a problem. ABC simply moved their holiday programming, to next week, which isnt a big deal and CBS just aired an NCIS and TAAHM repeat. Besides NBC, CBS really could have aired the hour and just aired NCIS at 9.
House is so darn overrated!
More people see Spongbob than GG and OTH together. HAHAHA, so funny!!!
Go House!!!!
Pat firstly as Tommy has already pointed out The Biggest Loser airs a two-hour episode every week from 8PM NBC have not bumped Leno to air a Biggest Loser special, they’ve bumped Leno to give Obama an hour at 8PM and allow themselves to keep one of their biggest rated shows on the air this week. I’d suggest you go and look at last weeks schedule for Tuesday or even last weeks Tuesday ratings to see the error of your repeated claim that Leno is being bumped for a special two-hour Biggest Loser.
Secondly when it comes to NBC’s ratings expectations for Leno or more accurately put this idea that NBC would never agree to air anything expecting it to do less than a 2.0 you’re in a dream world. Did you miss Jeff Zucker publicly admitting that NBC would never be the number one network again and that their main priority was now managing for the bottom line, as in making the network profitable not popular? Absolutely nobody at NBC put Leno on at 10PM expecting him to be ratings success, he’s there because he’s a financial success. There have for examples been numerous stories doing the rounds since before Leno even debuted that as long as he averaged between a 1.3 and 1.5 he would be making Leno millions of dollars, which is more than the vast majority of the NBC schedule can claim.
More over I will once again repeat that I think anyone claiming Leno has been a bomb should go back to the months before the show debuted and remember that there was a huge number of people who were convinced the show wouldn’t be able to break the 1.0 mark on a regular basis. I would contend that as long as Leno is keeping its head above a 1 (and it is) it’s doing exactly what NBC (and everyone else) could have realistically expected and will undoubtedly still be making NBC a huge amount of cash.
And just to hammer this point home Leno isn’t there to produce ratings he’s there to produce profit and he’s doing that.
Pat ate at the knucklehead/chucklehead buffet. Perhaps the easiest thing for him to do at this point is ask Marc Berman whether The Biggest Loser is usually two hours on Tuesdays!
Though I can’t opine on his emotional need for Leno to fail at 10pm, if you can’t convince him to look at his TV listings to see that practically every Tuesday this season, east coast and west, The Biggest Loser has aired from 8pm-10pm…you have no hope of convincing him that at a 1.3 adults 18-49 rating, The Jay Leno Show isn’t going anywhere THIS season.
Any word on final numbers yet?
This is all we’ve got so far, just in from TVBill:
Monday’s Nationals are in and ABC/NBC see drops from MNF pre-emps, as expected. HEROES now a 2.3 in demo; TRAUMA 1.6; LENO 1.2; CASTLE 1.6.
Thanks Bill!
Not sure if our friend Travis Yanan has posted the Finals over at PIF yet, but in the meantime, here are the ones I was interested in — HEROES 5.386 million, 2.3/6 A1849; TRAUMA 5.356m, 1.6/4; LENO 4.180m, 1.2/3; FIND MY FAMILY 6.945m, 2.0/5; and CASTLE (R) 6.006m, 1.6/4.
It looks like Lie to Me, may be moved to fridays around March. That will kill the show. Trauma has 6 eps left, my guess is that will move to fridays at 9 airing post Law & Order. As for Castle, this is its first regular repeat 10pm monday. I doubt when it returns early Jan, it will be repeated again in the slot.
Travis has now posted the full finals for Monday:
http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=32410241&f=63310451&m=887106952&r=793100062#793100062
Is that good for Castle? I don’t remember how it did previously on repeats?
According to Andrew Marlowe (creator of Castle) there will be a second Richard Castle book out. We’ll start getting hints about it in the back 9 episodes. No mention of when the book would be released though.
Its pretty good for Castle but airing post Dancing, the series doesnt normally repeat, in that slot. A new episode will air next week so well see how it does without Dancing. I hope the book helps the show, the series is good, and hopefully it can become a staple for 10pm mondays. With Lost ending in May and likely Ugly Betty, ABC will have 4 veteran dramas for 2010-2011 (Desperate Housewives, Grey’s Anatomy, Brothers & Sistsers, Private Practice) hopefully Castle can join the list. All fo the other new dramas are on the bubble status at best.
Ouch…Heroes back down to a 2.3 in the finals, but still I think that’s on par with last week. I guess the New Orleans market is pretty strong if it could take a show down in the demos by 8% with MNF…although the rating for that game overall were insane. Thanks for the finals link Rob.