After taking a week off for Thanksgiving, against the “Monk” series finale which broke records for a one hour cable scripted show, viewing for “Stargate Universe” dropped dramatically for the fall finale, from 1.891 million live+SD viewers on November 20, to 1.340 million on December 4. It had a .5 live+SD rating with adults 18-49.
While I have seen some live+7 numbers for SGU that suggest when it has been lower, it has made a lot of it up with Live+7 DVR viewing, there’s no getting around the Live+SD series lows. I’m trying to get the full Live+7 DVR numbers through 11/20 out to 3 digits for good comparisons and will post them if I get them (so far I’ve only seen the rounded numbers).
What was Brad Wright saying about outlasting V?? I mean I think it will probably still get a season 2 given the extenuating circumstances surrounding this drop (a one week break and the Monk finale) but still it’s the fall “finale”. Plus I think the comments that it makes it up in DVR are interesting in that people seem to not deem it good enough to watch on the night and will just catchup when they get the chance (whereas before they were watching live). I think this shows the show doesn’t have really good long term prospects.
Wow, that is low. It’s too bad that the best episode of the season had the lowest ratings.
Expect the haters to come in with the usual “Bring back Atlantis” or “This show sucks”.
In your face Dollhouse haters! Sorry couldnt help myself but back in the days of now knowing if Dollhouse was cancelled we had to put with some aweful stuff from the so called SGU fans!
That was a great episode too. It will bounce back. Its way better then Atlantis.
It’s a poorly written show populated with unbelievable characters who generally behave like psychotic 8 year-olds.
Though I did enjoy the irony of Wray criticising Johansen as a military medic performing forensic analysis when they could have used the communication device to bring a forensics specialist on board.
Because I’m sure Wray, as a HR person, has conducted plenty of evidentiary hearings for murder cases….
Monk killed it
That’s because the lion’s share of viewers were tuning in for the series finale of MONK, no doubt
To compare some SGA and SGU numbers…
Well, First Contact which aired last year was SGA’s mid-season finale. They pulled a 1.1 HH rating with 1.4 Million viewers, and went up against the 2008 presidential debate. No episode of SGA in it’s final season fell this low from what I’ve read in my numbers. So it makes you think if Monk was the only factor to these poor numbers. Atlantis ended their 2nd season half with a 1.3 HH rating and 1.7 Million viewers for Live+SD, SGU is now at 1.9 Million viewers for their first half season on a live+SD basis.
I do really enjoy SGU, but I think they may have problems if they cannot get over 2 Million for live anymore. I think the episode “Life” also lost some viewers. They need more eps like the mid-season finale and Time. I heard the 2nd half is going to be faster paced and more action. So hopefully these lost viewers will give the 2nd half a shot.
Funny how Sci-fi was so keen on releasing press releases about beating Dollhouse but nothing now.
A lot of the same people that watch SGU also watch Sanctuary.
I would be watching both of these shows had the network not fired Emilie Ullerup.
I’m just sorry the numbers are this good.
Monk did it? LOL I’m really interested to see if the series finale helped the mid season finale of White Collar. That had a nice twist.
Sounds like it’s time to get out the Bingo Excuse cards for SGU.
I actually think Monk probably did do it to a certain extent. I don’t think there’s much audience overlap but SGU’s numbers are already so low that even a slight erosion brings it down to these levels.
That said I don’t think it matters. The real test will be when it comes back. The mid-season hiatus strategy has not been good to Sci Fi shows (even Lost can trace it’s fall in ratings back to that strategy).
@Cimmer
I’m with you. No one can say definitively whether Monk had an effect or not. But, you can bet your botton dollar that the few fans SGU still has are rushing all aboard the “SGU isn’t performing well because…” excuse train.
Atlantis was better.
The ratings drop is no surprise to me. Stargate Universe is, for all intents and purposes, nothing but a very bad daytime soap opera set on a space ship. I will be very glad to see it go when it is canceled and a better series brought in to take its place. Unfortunately, that won’t be for another year, because SyFy was dumb enough to give Brad Wright a contract for 2 seasons of this dren.
@Y
Yeah, and there’s almost no difference in live numbers from Sanctuary , which costs A LOT LESS to make:
Stargate Universe
- 1.340 million viewers
- 0.9/2 HH
- 0.5/2 A18-49
Sanctuary
- 1.328 million viewers
- 0.9/2 HH
- 0.4/1 A18-49
Marc said: “I heard the 2nd half is going to be faster paced and more action.”
Sadly those of us who were looking for fast paced action have already been ran off, it will be several months before the second half will be aired. The newness is gone and the show has already established itself as a soap opera.
For the claim that the show is trying to be more like real life with all the childish bickering and back stabbing, I don’t allow people like that into my real life, so why would I go out of my way to watch them on TV?
The only character I could have related to was Rush form a science/exploration perspective and he turns out to be as childish as the rest of the crew.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the 2nd half is canceled before it the planned air date which would be sad if it actually gets better. But I keep hearing claims that it will get better and have been disappointed. Sadly the best episode was ‘Time’ when they kill off all these losers which may be foreshadowing the fate of this soap opera.
I am totally disappointed in SGU. Whatever happened to the military motto “No man left behind”? I hated the Rush character, in fact, there isn’t anyone aboard Destiny that is worth mentioning. But, I just don’t understand Young leaving Rush on an isolated planet if he was a true leader of this expedition regardless of what Rush did. The writers have not written ethics and values into anyone on the show. There’s nothing but constant bickering between the entire cast. There is no depth. It’s the facts that I have found no way to connect with any of the characters. I am certain that each actor/actress is putting their heart and soul into being whoever they are supposed to represent in the show but they are not likable or identifiable. Each character is so hostile, self-centered, angry and self-absorbed that those viewers who once enjoyed Stargate and each and every charters personality and show production is being lost. There is no good or bad, they are all bad. I want to like this show because of my love of the Stargate Franchise, but I just can’t grasp the dark, shakey, back and forth to earth, inter-character hate and fighting, sex driven show. If I continue to watch, it is only with hope, dire hope that the owners, producers, writers, etc. will wake up and start developing a decent story line and dialog in the next session.
The advanced orders on DVD for SGU are being offered. I wouldn’t buy the set, and wonder how many of the viewers want to re-watch anything they have seen in the last 10 episodes.
The writers/owners/directors/producers have even changed RDA personality to make him into a non-caring person. Why?
The ratings will continue to drop unless someone changes the course of Destiny.
First episode of the season that wasn’t terrible and it got the lowest ratings? Figures. But I guess they’re answering the question of how much good will Stargate fans had towards the franchise.
Maybe a number of fans bugged out after “Life”? Who knows for sure.
I do know that “Justice” was the last one for me. Sorry to the SG folks, I tried.
“Whatever happened to the military motto “No man left behind”?”
Heather: that doesn’t apply to Rush for a couple of reasons. Rush was stabbing his team members in the back, and he wasn’t part of the fraternity of the military in the first place. Leaving Rush there was the only thing that anyone on the show has done at any point that made any sense .
@Heather Said…”I am totally disappointed in SGU. Whatever happened to the military motto “No man left behind”? I hated the Rush character, in fact, there isn’t anyone aboard Destiny that is worth mentioning. But, I just don’t understand Young leaving Rush on an isolated planet if he was a true leader of this expedition regardless of what Rush did.”
That was my favorite part (not in a good way). Young is so angry as Rush for framing him for murder that he…essentially commits murder (it’s TV so we all know Rush will survive but as character motivations go stranding Rush on a desolate planet is essentially a death sentence)
Honestly, it’s even worse from a logic standpoint because Rush was very valuable to the ship. So instead of killing off an unstable military personnel Young essentially killed the crew’s only real chance at getting off.
And the “everyone can relate to him” character Eli let him do it and didn’t say word one. They’re all a bunch of friggin’ sociopaths.
Butbutbutbut the second half will be AWESOME!! How can you give up on the show after only watching 10 HOURS?? The writers have something planned and it’s going to be EPIC!!
Just kidding. Spoilers say we’re in for more soap opera crap and stone swapping sex. Why would anyone come back for that drivel?
Guess viewers are tired of these unlikable, dishonorable jerks and their constant fist fights and sex. stargate universe is trying so hard to be like galactica. The writers should stick to writing chipper heroes and cheesy episodes. They don’t have the talent to pull off anything realistic or mature.
I (sorta) understand the hate that this show evokes, but since I’ve never seen a minute of any other Stargate show, I’m glad I don’t have the ball and chain that obviously accompanies this show. For that reason, I can enjoy it on its own.
It’s a good show.
@Ratings don’t lie:
ROTFL!!!! That about says it all. LOL.
NA, NA, NA NA, NA, NA, NA NA, HEY HEY HEY GOOD BYE!
Yes it’s Immature, and I’m sorry folks but I just couldn’t help it!
Finally some reality in the numbers! 1.34 mil viewers and costing 3 million per episode.
I never liked Dollhouse, (the whole, lets wipe their mind and rape them theme, and since they won’t remember it happened it is good for society), but I think we should apologize for it being canceled with it’s ratings and costs compared to SGU.
I suppose with the two year contract, that Brad Wright is supposed to have, they get paid either way for this drivel.
That’s Too Bad!
I love Stargate SG1 and Atlantis, but Universe…hmmm…not really a big fan. Do not get me wrong, I watch the show, but it is not my favorite. SG1 is funny and full of action, SGA is funny, but SGU (which has a great potential to become another Farscape!!!) is too dark, dramatic and not funny or full of action at all as its predecessors.
I think the creators missed its targeted audience. SG fans expected something different, way different.
I’m a huge Stargate fan, but this series just doesn’t have many things going for it. Most of the characters aren’t likeable and the stories about the planets they stop at are used only as backdrops for the conflict between their enormous egos. There is so much they could do with this series too. The ship alone holds a lot of promise for interesting stories. I love Robert Carlysle, and hope his character turns into someone we can root for. I’m still giving it a chance, but it’s not looking hopeful at the moment.
=I’m glad I don’t have the ball and chain that obviously accompanies this show. For that reason, I can enjoy it on its own.
I’m glad you like it, but it wouldn’t matter if they called it something besides “Stargate” whatever, its still a soap opera and I really don’t like soaps.
Well, one school of thought would consider this the wave effect – the previous soap opera episode turned people of, so fewer even bothered to return.
Now if its really 4 months, is that good or bad for the show – it could be good in that people forget what it was all about… or perhaps people will just forget it entirely and move on.
Great show, the leader is a violent thug, an adulterer, disobeys orders from his superiors and now a murderer *g*
Maybe everyone normally watching SGU live+SD was watching Dollhouse? Though I’m not sure that still accounts for all the difference! Ok, in all seriousness, I have no DVR right now, so I watched DH live, then SGU on repeat right after. DH had two fantastic episodes, and SGU was arguably the best hour so far (IMHO).
Assuming the numbers go back up for sesaon 1.5, SGU is a lock for renewal. And as for DH well, if the remaining 7 hours are as good as what we got this week, at least we’ll be able to remember the show the good as much as the bad.
Network interference has destroyed both shows compare to last season.
Source go to the Link for the whole article
http://yourentertainmentnow.com/2009/01/13/no-series-finale-bump-for-stargate-atlantis-sanctuary-ratings/
From Your Intertainment Now
Posted by Rosario T. Calabria on January 13, 2009 at 12:48 am
I’ve extracted some of the relevant data.
Sanctuary,
(live+same day plus all available timeshifting data)
1.8 HH rating, 2.35M total viewers,
1.04M Adults 18-49 and
1.36M adults 25-54.
Stargate Atlantis last Friday. While registering season highs among key measures including total viewers (2.02M), Adults 18-49 (973,000) and Adults 25-54 (1.15M), the show actually posted slight declines in all three categories vs. the
season four finale on March 7, 2008:
2.12 million total viewers,
1.06M Adults 18-49
1.25M Adults 25-54.
SyFy will come out with their own numbers and call it their best season in history just like they did last month.
I have watched each episode of SGU and all of them have been a disappointment. I hoped that the episodes would get better, but its been a let down each and every week. When you have numbers like this that are close to Sanctuary numbers thats a major problem, you cant spin these numbers. You have a franchise like Stargate that has been on for over 10 years and its getting very poor numbers and it seems that the quality of the show is lacking that Stargate feeling. Things need to change or you can say goodbye to this show and maybe the end of Stargate for a few years, I really hope thats not the case. The potential for the Stargate Franchise is unbelievable. They could do so much. I watched the movie Stargate at the theater and loved it and then the show on Showtime. I have been a fan for over ten years. This show has been a let down to the Stargate Franchise so far. I will continue to watch and hope that the writers will make changes that live up to the Stargate Franchise and its fans. Thats my two cents.
Thats my brothers website.
Thanks Tim for pulling those numbers up. I will put that up on the Gateworld forums.
I’ve watched every episode of Stargate Universe. Sadly it’s gotten worse rather than better. There are no real likeable characters on the show which is its major problem. Robert Carlyle as Dr. Rush is the most interesting but they had to tarnish his character in the past couple of episodes. The other lead, Col Young, is an adulterous murderer, which doesn’t make him rootable. Some of the characters that were somewhat likeable in the beginning aren’t at all now.
I don’t have a problem overall with the cast. It’s the writing that is awful. It’s supposed to be a SCIFI show, not just a soap opera. And yet on it’s fall finale instead of focussing most of the episode on the alien spaceship we only get a short glimpse of it. The rest revolves an idiotic “trial”.
Thats the same way I feel Carol.
I do have to wonder how the late night encore performed. I too tuned in for the finale of Monk last Friday, then stayed for White Collar. After that, the SGU encore…,Ironically-as noted upthread, it was the best episode of the first ten, and I’d put “Time” as second best. Two ok eps-”Darkness” and “Water”, and 4 rest I’d label as adequate, and two-”Earth” & “Life” as very, bad. A very poor average, I’m sad to say. I wanted to like the show, and welcomed a more adult spin for this gate.
Atlantis was ruined in part by hanging the show almost entirely around the comedic Rodney McKay, to the exclusion of all other characters save Sheppard. But thus far, it’s been a struggle to warm up to what tptb want to do here.
Kyle, I should see how the encore did tomorrow morning and will post that info at some point tomorrow.
SG1 had been renewed for seasons 10 & 11 at the same time, the end of season 9, but that did not stop MGM from pulling the plug after season 10, so I bet Universe will not be back for a second season. I for one am glad to see it GO! I quit watching after the 5th episode, as it is too dark and depressing.
ratings dropped cause of the stupid break, these networks gotta stop sabotaging shows like this
Three sex scenes in seven episode, ship, slash, no humour, emotions, it sounds and feels more like an afternoon soap opera than a quality science fiction series. Count me out, at risk of repeating myself, the Stargate franchise is dead and buried. Stargate fans are moving on. Could the producers please take the word Stargate out of the title.
Someone has to say it, so here it is:
I TOLD YOU SO
search for “sgu sucks” or “stargate universe sucks” in google, you’ll find many gems.
@jt
Interesting to hear what happened with SG-1.
@Kyle B
Looking at what you said about Atlantis (sadly, I concede it is true)and also taking in to account what jt said, I am glad that this is happening to SGU and not Atlantis because like you said, these are ALL the same writers.
They had a lot to work with on Atlantis and just wrote mostly for Shep and Mckay a lot of the time, that is if they weren’t shoving Keller down my throat, for the last season especially.
I also didn’t like how for the last season and a half they tried to turn Sheppard in to a horny adolescent with an attitude at times. If people want to talk about O’neill’s personality transplant, I think some of that not-so-true-to-the-character-you-know-and-love-writing started a little with Shep, and not to my liking. That said, I think what saved Atlantis was the characters.
I have heard a lot of people say that the substandard writing was something they put up with because they loved those characters, and I agree. Even when I didn’t like certain episodes of Atlantis, I still liked the characters/actors and was interested in them. They just needed better writers.
And some of how the characters were written on SGA/SG1 can be attributed to the actors on SGA/1. For example, Paul McGillion gave his character some of his own personal back-story and fought to make him scottish. Joe Flanigan said he fought to make his character more of a normal guy. Richard Dean Anderson was an executive producer at one point on SG-1 and had a lot of input on how his character was portrayed. I guess maybe all of this dwindled some as time passed, who knows. This is not to say that the SGU actors haven’t had their say, I just don’t know about them is all.
My one hope is that all of this feedback that tptb are getting will cause them to wake up and write good movies for Atlantis and SG-1.
Since by definition, SGU was kind of an experiment, I don’t know what they will do with it. Again, sadly I don’t really care. I tried to like it and that didn’t work out, and practically all of my hope for SGU is gone.
The only way to see if this is an actual drop is to wait for the +7 and see if it makes it up. Also the Christmas Day SGU Marathon is coming up and that might do very well for Syfy. I’m sort of interested to see what happens to Sanctuary ratings without SGU – up? down? same? Although even with the Monk finale, I’m a little surprised to see such a drop for the mid season. That’s usually when people stop back in to see what’s up.
Monk and White Collar and even Smallville (yay Smallville) do prove that people do watch TV on Fridays if it’s something they’re interested in; maybe the depend more on the DVR or aren’t as consistent but they do watch. Even L&O proves that.
Now to wait for the Alice numbers and to see how Caprica will do.
@Morena: I agree. I could swallow almost anything on SGA – McKeller and eps like Brain Storm excluded *shudder* – because I loved the characters. I loved it when John and Rodney bickered, when Teyla rolled her eyes, when Ronon watched them all amused. They felt like a family. And they never left anyone behind – not even Kavanagh, the weasel. On SGU, I can’t relate to anybody – thankfully! What a person I would have to be to actually relate to any one of them?
And about the actors’ imput – as Joe Flanigan said, after he fought for the characters of Carson and Elizabeth to stay, the producers and writers told him in no uncertain terms that his imput was not welcome and never again did they discuss anything with him. I know that he talked about how pleasant the relationship between the writers and actors on the set of Warehouse 13 was, he was so surprised.
And anyone who hopes for the SGA movie? Dream on, peeps, dream on. SG-1 maybe. SGA? Shelved indefinitely.
hey guys,
sgu is getting what it deserves. When i watched justice, i was just shocked with the storyline. what the heck is this show??? it’s just a bunch of crap. even young and rush which i liked until last friday, evolved to childish ridiculous fools. Who ever promises it’s getting better should be very careful.. who ever wrote this strange show is clearly capable of a lot worse stuff.
visit sgusucks.com :/
Maybe Brad Wrong and Joe Smellozzi (jk .. sorry for that) will get the hint. If the blogs and the internet pages relating to SGU reviews have degraded into the occasional infantile SGU bash (like my name calling), then it’s by Brad and Joe’s own hands that this came about.
I really really hope that they aren’t ego maniacs and can actually bend their vision for SGU. Stargate is bigger than Brad Wright and Joe Mallozzie. It’s not solely about them anymore. The fan (fanatical) love for this brand is what MAKES the brand.
(BTW, I’m using Brad and Joe, because they’ve been the most vocal about the show .. i know there are more guilty people out there.)
Instead of mis-treating old fans, by shoving our faces into their turd pile, hopefully they can reconcile SG-PU with the former glory of SG1 and SGA.
The writting in SG1 and SGA was NOT brilliant by any stretch of the imagination. It was FUN however, and yes the science was friggin cool and that’s why fans stuck around. funny character interaction, cool facial expressions, high values, gadgets, military expeditions/exploration, alien races … oh my . YEAH NOW THAT’S WHAT I’M TALKIN ‘BOUT!!!
.. but I digress.
They need a SG-PU episode called: RECONCILIATION.
.. and they need it quick.
That’s too bad; it was one of the better episodes.
I have watched maybe 1 episode of Monk ever, but I would much rather watch that than SGU any day.
I really hope that MGM gets rid of this show and puts on their thinking hats, and as Judge Judy always says listen with BOTH ears LOL.
I can just see it now they will say this has been the best rated show yet. Do they have their heads stuck in the sand somewhere.
PULL IT OUT get rid of those writers, heck get rid of the producers and this show and put someone in charge that knows what they are doing and get on with the SGA movie or better yet bring it back!
I’m trying to like this series and after watching every episode I’m not invested in this show or characters at all. If I deleted my season pass for recording this show, I would not miss it whenever it comes back with new episodes.
I think the writing on SGU really disappoints, BUT, sometimes, you can’t blame the writers, so much as all the cooks in the kitchen? If you’ve got upper management interfering with direction/focus/thematics, well, you end up with a bureaucratically bungled, narrative mess. I kind of get that feeling when watching- also, aren’t a lot of the eps pre-made (I don’t know the technical term). I always feel that implies a slightly dismissive attitude to audience feedback? Kind of arrogantly assuming you can whip up a full season straight away, without waiting to see how the visions meshing together, as well as how the audience is responding? You feel they’ve gotten lazy, as part of a franchise, in comparison to, say, Sanctuary, which seems to really try to find its feet from ep to ep, even when a tad formulaic? Or Supernatural, which really has a certain creative passion behind it? The quality of SGU hints that someone in the driving seat thinks a bit too much of their own creative judgement…
Yay, because nothing says hip young SciFi show like losing viewers to Monk. What? Wasn’t Wright going after the 18-25 year old males with this? That’s got to be exactly the audience that’s been following Monk for eight years now.
I am so TIRED of the SGU backlashing. It’s an entertaining show, but I guess I am biased since I am a fan. Still, even at its worse, at least it’s not another crappy CSI or LAW & ORDER or NCIS clone. Is SGU the greatest sci fi show? Hell no! But is it childish sci fi like BABYLON 5 or FARSCAPE? Hell no again!
I like SGU but… Farscape is definitely a superior show, without a single doubt.
As for hitting series lows – week off since last new epsiodes + last new episode was the weakest (quality) + competition from series finale of Monk
I’m sure it will rebound… although with the long gap – one never can be too certain.
SGU will get better, I think the last episode is the turning point, too bad Monk destroyed it. I see the writers of SGU are going for a Battlestar Galactica type dynamic but they left out the conflict. They should have introduced the enemy in the first episode and then they can do these filler shows where they fight for food and water. I loved Rush being left behind and can’t wait to see how he catches back up.
It’s nice to see so many people who are disappointed with SGU expressing what I have already been feeling about it. I considered both other Stargate shows, Babylon 5, Farscape and pretty much anything else SF mentioned in the thread far more enjoyable.
I used think the military taught discipline and a chain of command structure but if this show is to be believed it’s one step removed from Lord of the Flies. Where was the stick sharpened at both ends? Does Eli become Piggy?
But at least SGU has horror film lighting and filth on the corridor walls. The writers consider that a plus, right? “Dark and gritty” automatically equals perfection in their eyes, right?
I beleieve the scripts for both the SG1 movie and SGA Movie are already written/planned. As for the ratings I would agree with most saying that Monk/DH had an impact and the DVR + 7 Numbers/Late re-run will help them out. No worries for the show as its now picking up pace since they have already done all the required back story for the characters. For those ppl that say there is no likable characters that completely obsurd. There are soo many good characters (Eli, Rush, Scott, TJ, Young, Greer). You have to put yourself in there shoes, They are trapped on a ship with no way home, low on supplies, and on an unknown ship (I would be going a little crazy). I will agree that there need to be more action but it coming now that you have attachment to the characters. Currently I’m gogint o be watching each episode again since i’m out of the SG-1/SGA mind set and I can look at the series through different eyes.
I tend to think just the opposite of something a poster above discussed; I don’t think there is enough management level input into this show.
Because this is what happens when the suits give in to the writers/producers midlife crisis’ and let them have free reign to come up with their own personal pleasure of a show.
Not enforcing with Brad and Co. that they had a good thing going with SGA and that they could have let some one else take it over if they were tired of it.
Wright and Cooper could have produced their self-indulgence along side another season of SGA (with others at the helm), but chose not to. I think they, MGM and SyFy shot themselves in the foot with that decision.
FYI: I posted it separately in the post about ratings for “Alice”, but the encore of SGU at 11p on Friday averaged .748 million
IRONIC that the sgu episode with the lowest rating to date, is called “JUSTICE”. if i take a look at most of the comments on the web… i know why….
Babylon 5 is “childish SF”? You invalidated your entire argument right there.
@Robert, are those good numbers for 11pm?
for what? a rerun of a show that hardly anyone watched to begin with?
A late night Phineas & Ferb on Disney have over 2.75m from 11p-11:30 The Monk repeat had over 2.2 M at 11p and a rerun of the Nanny had almost 2M on Nick at Nite.
oh….
thanks for your answer though, I honestly have no clue about what kinds of numbers shows pull that late.
How did Sanctuary do???
Outlander, scroll through the comments on THIS post, Morena posted those numbers.
@Robert Seidman
—FYI: I posted it separately in the post about ratings for “Alice”, but the encore of SGU at 11p on Friday averaged .748 million
—A late night Phineas & Ferb on Disney have over 2.75m from 11p-11:30 The Monk repeat had over 2.2 M at 11p and a rerun of the Nanny had almost 2M on Nick at Nite.
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Thank you so much for looking those figures up. Spinning positively, nearly a million-242.00 shy, tuned in for the late encore. That (can) bring the total viewers for the ep10 to just over 2 million (2,088.000), assuming those were all original viewers, and not folk watching it twice.
Oh wow, sooo many people are saying what I think about tptb/sgu. Like I said, if there are still some people out there that love SGU, great. At this point, I’m only concerned with Atlantis and SG-1 because they are Stargate to me.
@timotey
Yeah, I hear you. I was trying to be polite when I said that input had dwindled, especially with SGA. There were times in the first few seasons where input was accepted and used. Like, David Hewlett and Paul McGillion had become friends by the end of season 1 and asked the writers if they could find ways to pair them up on the show. This is how episodes like season 2′s Duet happened. I get the impression from tptb that if they were to make that same request in the last couple of seasons they would have been talking to the hand.
It looks like some people are saying it’s more Syfy/MGM and others are saying it’s more Brad/Rob and the gang. I don’t know for sure. But, I think it’s both. And I think it started during those last 2-2 1/2 seasons of Atlantis ever so gradually (or not). My impression is that tptb got a little tipsy with their past successes and started lazily coasting along. (Note that the producers are are ALSO the writers for the show)
I think that they were drinking their own special blend of Kool-Aid. Like other people have said, they were so confident that they completed the entire first year of SGU before anyone saw episode 1. And if the young crowd is what they were going for, Monk stealing their glory this past Friday is questionable.
You might be right about the movies. I do know that they haven’t even approached the SGA cast about a movie, and they have approached and talked to the SG-1 cast about it at least. Unfortunatley, maybe “Enemy At The Gate” is all us Atlantis fans get for an ending. What a shame.
@,.. well me
—Spinning positively, nearly a million-242.00 shy, tuned in for the late encore
I meant 252,000. Never post while eating lunch.
That episode was nowhere near as exciting of a midseason finale as some of the Atlantis finales were. This episode was better than others but almost nothing important happened (except for the last part). What else is new, right? The only two reasons I keep watching the show are to see if anything interesting will ever happen and the doctor woman
Just finished reading all of the replies and goes to show that we are not alone. Everything that we loved about the franchis went down the drain. I just wish that they never wrote up SGU, because now i dont even care if they try to correct stuff up. Any comments on the show are appreciated. http://www.sgusucks.com/
This series could probably be handed back to Atlantis and SG1, or ended and/or go back to movies only, pretty easily if they wanted with an Atlantis rescue of Destiny.
Atlantis is unfortunately the ugly stepchild of the Stargate franchise, only brought up by producers and Universe fanboys when they need something to mock to make Universe look better. That attitude has really backfired.
Personally it doesn’t matter if the Stargate saga ends, I just hope someone recognizes the void left open for sci-fi space action adventure. It doesn’t have to be Stargate or Star Trek as long as it isn’t a soap opera.
@Tom
For me, Atlantis is really the beautiful step child (Cinderella) that gets treated badly even though it has the potential and deserves to become Stargate royalty. If only it could meet a prince and a fairy god-mother to help it fulfull its true potential…
Hey,
Well If you take into consideration of the Encore performance on Justice its just over 2m. Where is a quote from tvbythenumber.com on the Alice post:
““Stargate Universe” (1.34 million — a series low against the “Monk” finale — for those wondering how the encore did at 11pm, it averaged .748 million)”
So it accually increased in viewers from the “Life” Episode. Once the DVR + 7 numbers get I i’m guessing it will be closer to 2.5m viewers. “Justice” to me was the 2nd best episode behind “Time” and had a great ending.
@James: Nope, it didn’t increase. Life’s ratings were without the 11pm performance too. So Life was possibly – I don’t know the exact numbers, going by last Friday’s 11pm performance – 1.89+0.748…
@Robert: Do you maybe have the 11pm numbers from two weeks ago when Life aired?
@Morena: I don’t think that the SGA movie will be ever filmed. Fandemonium is planning a book series called SGA:Legacy that’s set after EatG and starts with Atlantis going back to Pegasus. Dynamite Entertainment is also planning a comic book series that they consider SGA S6.
Watching and waiting for the +7 numbers makes sense, but combining the numbers for the 9pm and 11pm run doesn’t because no one knows how many of them are repeat viewers. But, whatever.
@timotey
Thanks for the info. I might check out the book. A well-made movie would have been better, but hey, it is what it is.
Take heart, continuations of Atlantis in book and comic form have a huge chance of being better than an Atlantis movie written by Mallozzi. :/
@Tom
Thanks:)
You are so right! When I heard he was the one working on the script, I have to admit that I felt a bit of a sinking feeling, like maybe the movie was already going down the drain. I guess it doesn’t matter now….Syfy is showing just how they feel about Atlantis with running SG-1 and SGU marathons like SGA never existed. Looks like Atlantis will stay in the back, sweeping up the cinders. No prince, and no fairy god-mother coming.
Still it’s a shame.
SGU is just a bunch of lame plots from other money making shows put together with sticky tapes.
Story goes no where, characters not interesting, trying too hard to create tension, moronic plots.
You need an IQ below 90 to enjoy this piece of garbage.
I guess the writers got old and their creativity ran out and now they’re just trying to cash in.
Yeah good luck on that. I won’t be back for S2.
SGU will be back for season 2 for sure there are a ton of viewers like love SGU and there demo numbers are doing much better then SGA was.
James…..*Sigh*….You know what, nevermind.
Yes, the demo numbers and viewership of SGU’s S1 is better than SGA’s S5 – on average, counting in a SERIES premiere that’s generally sampled by broader public. And also, ON AVERAGE is the word here. The viewership of the latest eps sunk to SGA’s levels – the lowest rated ep of SGU’s S1 dropped even lower than the lowest rated ep of SGA’s S5 (1.34 vs. 1.4 mil.), for the A18-49 I’ve seen no comparison ep-to-ep.
I have no doubt that SGU will be renewed – unfortunately. Which just proves that SGA was NOT canceled because of bad ratings but because the writers just grew tired of it and instead of letting someone else take over, they just dumped it. It’s pretty ironic that their new toy is doing only slightly better than the old one they dumped because it wasn’t “shiny” anymore.
Bring back Atlantis. This show sucks. Is the worst Stargate series. First season is the last.
I’m big fan of SG series, but gotta say:
I’m really sorry for all the SG fans like me and I see that I’m not alone in this feeling…
SGU is so terrybad, that I don’t find polite words to express it…
It seams to me the story was written by some crazy version of doctor Freud, there is hardly one single character showing any (none, zero) good.
At SG-1 or SGA i was always so looking forward to new episodes, thinking, what new discovery might come, what jokes etc … here? .. I can only wonder who’s gonna fuck who ‘stone switched’ or who’s gonna show deeper selfish psychopathic pattern…
As was said, there is not a single person i could identify myself with. Only honorable person there (senator) died in first (second?) episode…
With all this being said, only and inevitable conclusion is:
SGU SUCKS SO BAD, not worth the time spend on watching!!!
@timotey
Thanks. You said what I did not have the patience or the energy to say.
They really should have turned Atlantis over to someone who cared and let it continue for a few more seasons with better writers.
This series has a lot of negatives going for it. The characters are not worthy of caring about. Do you really care about the love storylines that have been written thus far? When I see those stones trotted out, I cringe, knowing there was a writer’s block that week. Anyone remember the theme of these series? A Stargate!! That has almost been an afterthought, used only when the ship passes a star system with an earth-like planet. SGU is doomed if they go on hiatus and expect to have people return after a vacation and still watch this program. Unfortunately, from what I read, the first season is in the can and they can’t go back and rethink things. Something they really need to do.
Hey folks, just keep in mind that these forums are open to everyone anonymously. When you get hundreds of posts all commenting on SGU as being a terrible production and then you get 2 or 3 percent of the people saying how wonderful it is and just attack others opinions, and try to shut them up, you have got to put it together that these people are connected with the show. As is James!
They are desperate to put their spin on it and belittle everyone else’s opinion by calling names. Their defense of the show does not extend to credible arguments, just saying how wonderful it is to watch back stabbing, whining, sniveling, adulterous adolescence pretending to be professional military personnel, and scientists and that the fans are supposed to love this somehow.
No actual fan of science fiction would defend this stuff so rigorously, unless they have something at stake here.
It is just too obvious that “James” for one is connected with the show. Expect him to come back with another user name and post similar support backing up his own statements and attacking other negative opinions about SGU. Which on these forums at least, and by the way on every other forum as well, is the majority of opinion!
SGU is too busy loading their episodes with shock factor rather than good storyline. To much focus on lesbian love scenes and boob shots, that’s what lame shows with not plotline due to attract viewers. Good shows can rely on their good storyline. Honestly, if I want to watch lesbians going at it or boob shots, sgu won’t be the place I turn to!!! SG1 went 10 seasons and never had to resort to mindless entertainment, that’s why there’s MTV.
I just lifted this question from a syfy forum:
“A question that is a bit off topic: Since syfy is now showing reruns of SGA are ratings kept for reruns? Might be interesting to see what is happening.”
Does anyone know how the SGA reruns are fairing??
I have reposted what Dave said, he is dead on I have all of SG1 and Atlantis and well SG1 is the best and Dave is dead on all story no boob or lesbian love scenes just a good story. Who gives a cr#% if they are lesbians or not just give us a story. SGU stinks……..
SGU is too busy loading their episodes with shock factor rather than good storyline. To much focus on lesbian love scenes and boob shots, that’s what lame shows with not plotline due to attract viewers. Good shows can rely on their good storyline. Honestly, if I want to watch lesbians going at it or boob shots, sgu won’t be the place I turn to!!! SG1 went 10 seasons and never had to resort to mindless entertainment, that’s why there’s MTV.
Hey execs, do something smart for a change, bring back SGA and cancel this pile of crap that is SGU…I know I’m getting to the point I am about ready to stop watching anything on SCI FI. OHH but they would never admit they were wrong…bunch of overpaid morons!!!!
Bring back Atlantis!!!!!!
Ok, I understand about SGU not being everyone’s cup of tea, but the notion that Syfy/MGM would bring back SGA is dopey. There are several options:
1. SGU
2. Something new instead of or in addition to SGU
3. No Stargate at all
Stagate Atlantis as a series is dead. It’s not coming back. Whether you like SGA better than SGU doesn’t matter. Whether SGU is renewed or cancelled doesn’t matter. SGA isn’t coming back as a series. Get over it, move on, etc…
Yeah I agree with the Atlantis rescue, then have Ronin kill them all to get rid of their sorry asses!
Dopey? The only reason they wouldn’t do it because it would mean admitting they were wrong! It would be as simple as pie to bring it back, and would go along way to restore the people’s faith in SCI FI!!!
It might have been easy several months ago, but most of the actors have moved on. It’s sad since Atlantis was the best (imo), but alas it’s true. At the rate Syfy is going, some people are bound to choose option #4: Don’t watch the Syfy Network.
Things might get better. But, it doesn’t seem like restoring faith in sci-fi, or even sci-fi drama is currently the objective. Just my opinon here.
Your only going to see SGA as a movie. Atlantis was cancelled for a reason is was getting repeative and a little boring. I’m accually getting tired of the Atlantis cry babies.. its gone deal with it. The SG francise needed something different instead of make a SG1 or SGA clone. I’ll agree that SGU isn’t the best but its quite enjoyable and is getting better every episode. Like many ppl of said if you dont like it dont watch it and i’d agree. Anyways enough said looking forward to the SGU re-runs.
I’m just gonna re-post what M,Brian said:
“Hey folks, just keep in mind that these forums are open to everyone anonymously. When you get hundreds of posts all commenting on SGU as being a terrible production and then you get 2 or 3 percent of the people saying how wonderful it is and just attack others opinions, and try to shut them up, you have got to put it together that these people are connected with the show. As is James!
They are desperate to put their spin on it and belittle everyone else’s opinion by calling names. Their defense of the show does not extend to credible arguments, just saying how wonderful it is to watch back stabbing, whining, sniveling, adulterous adolescence pretending to be professional military personnel, and scientists and that the fans are supposed to love this somehow.
No actual fan of science fiction would defend this stuff so rigorously, unless they have something at stake here.
It is just too obvious that “James” for one is connected with the show. Expect him to come back with another user name and post similar support backing up his own statements and attacking other negative opinions about SGU. Which on these forums at least, and by the way on every other forum as well, is the majority of opinion!”
Morena, I doubt it.
I’m definitely not affiliated with SGU and I’ll second James’ opinion of “I’m actually getting tired of the Atlantis cry babies.. its gone deal with it.”
I don’t have any problem with people expressing their opinions about SGU, but Atlantis is dead, the Atlantis cry babies are tiresome, and again, SGA is gone (other than possible movie at some point).
Robert,
I am not saying that you are. And, I’ve actually said that I don’t think that SGA is coming back (unfortunately).
And I am glad that you don’t have a problem with people “expressing their opinions” because that is what a lot of us are doing when we are being honest about the way that we feel that things are going.
I’m actually getting tired of some of the arguments defending SGU, like using all kinds of excuses…I’ll leave it at that because I’m not going to whine about other people having opinions, even though the “SGU Excuse cry babies” are tiresome too.
Since expressing opinions shouldn’t be one-sided, I guess we’ll all need to learn how to deal with each other.
SGU isn’t SG-1 but its good enough.
You think this is too soapy!
Have you seen the Caprica movie/pilot? Yikes!
I thought I was watching a CW show.
It’s better than any network Sci-Fi on right now.
I’d rather watch 10 season of this than 1 episode of Flash Gordon or Painkiller Jane.
Being bitter never made anything better.
I don’t know that it bodes well for SGU if the argument brought by its supporters is that it’s “good enough.”
And I’m not sure that anyone is bitter. Are people feeling let down and disappointed maybe? Sure. Are people expressing those feelings of being let down and disappointed after so many years of dedicating themselves as loyal fans to a franchise that they had previously loved? Of course.
Do the Stargate creators/producers, MGM, and Syfy seem to care? Not really. And that’s why I think the level of expression has been, and still is, so intense.
There seems to be a suspicion that letting “The Powers That Be” know how we feel won’t help anything. They obviously have their own agenda, and it doesn’t seem to include a lot of the “old” fans. I guess that’s okay. It’s certainly their prerogative.
But who knows, some of our complaints may get through to help make things better by getting a good Atlantis movie green-lit. That would be great. It is possible that every now and again, people can make a difference by making themselves heard.
At the very least, I think it’s worth a try.
Personaly after nine episodes of SGU I got tired of waiting for it to get better. last Friday I watched Dollhouse instead and despite the ”glowing” spoilers on eposide 10 Justice I find I have no desire to check it out on Hulu or elsewhere. I really don’t care if SGU gets a season 2 or not since this is one Scifi fan that won’t be watching.
May I offer an alternative?
Since we’re all emotionally vested (one way or another) in the SG franchise, maybe Sci Fi could put SGU on hiatus for a good re-think and going forward, they could pick up ‘Kings’ from NBC in its place. (Don’t know if ‘Kings’ has any unaired epis in the can, or not…)
Not necessarily a sci-fi concept, but ‘Kings’ is of the fantasy genre and has sparked critic and viewer interest alike, despite its sometimes uneven writing but splendid character portrayals. It could be a win-win for Sci-Fi Channel and all of the viewers.
1. SGU has psychologically accurate characters, living their (horrible) lives aboard a space ship halfway across the galaxy. If you don’t like the show, you don’t like the reality that human beings are the exact things the characters are, and would prefer happy-go-lucky SG1/SGA fantasy world. That’s fine, but don’t pretend that four bozos swapping one liners, shooting aliens and deciphering ancient languages is sci-fi and a group of very real people in space dealing with their lives isn’t.
2. Have the DVR numbers been released yet for Justice?
3. Woah, this site is banned in China? Awesome.
Sorry for the double post, but @ Morena, if you weren’t bitter, you wouldn’t be complaining week in and week out about a tv show. Not only are you bitter, but you don’t have a life. Sucks for you.
I think because of SGU’s more ScienceFiction audience and the fact that SG has a HUGE international audience a majority will watch the show via torrents or other sorts of illegal distribution. Hell I live in Vancouver, but have it setup for HD download on the PC (Space = no HD).
Its a shame the ratings are shit because the mid-finale was the best episode of the season so far.
Bong said: “SGU has psychologically accurate characters,”
I’d say its a psychologically accurate portrait of Meth addicts.
@Bong
I think that it sucks for you when you actually think that SGU has “psychologically accurate characters.” This speaks for itself. I cannot imagine the life you have if this is what you really think about SGU.
Sounds like you are bitter about so many people not liking SGU because SG-1 and SGA are much better.
Keep ridig the Excuse Train.
Enough said.
“It’s better than any network Sci-Fi on right now.”
Better than Lost or Dollhouse? Don’t make me laugh.
“If you don’t like the show, you don’t like the reality that human beings are the exact things the characters are, and would prefer happy-go-lucky SG1/SGA fantasy world.”
If you consider watching boring and awful people doing boring and awful things to be entertainment then you’re the one who needs to get a life.
@Timotey
@Morena: I agree. I could swallow almost anything on SGA – McKeller and eps like Brain Storm excluded *shudder* – because I loved the characters. I loved it when John and Rodney bickered, when Teyla rolled her eyes, when Ronon watched them all amused. They felt like a family. And they never left anyone behind – not even Kavanagh, the weasel. On SGU, I can’t relate to anybody – thankfully! What a person I would have to be to actually relate to any one of them?
And about the actors’ imput – as Joe Flanigan said, after he fought for the characters of Carson and Elizabeth to stay, the producers and writers told him in no uncertain terms that his imput was not welcome and never again did they discuss anything with him. I know that he talked about how pleasant the relationship between the writers and actors on the set of Warehouse 13 was, he was so surprised.
And anyone who hopes for the SGA movie? Dream on, peeps, dream on. SG-1 maybe. SGA? Shelved indefinitely
I knew the relations between cast/crew and producers were not so good but I’ve never imagined they were so rude toward Joe Flanigan. I knew Joe Flanigan fought for cast interests and defend them in front of producers. He represented his pals.
Sadly these ones didn’t listen him.
Sad to see how producers/writers full of themselves can sink a strong franchise.
Really painful.
Hey arn’t sinking anything, SGU is a very good show and a great addition to the SG franchise. I also agree to BONG, the characters in SGU are pretty accurate to how someone would react in the situtaion they are in. I think everyone expected a happy go lucky adventure like SG1/SGA. I for one did expect something like that but was quite happy that route.
@james
““Stargate Universe” (1.34 million — a series low against the “Monk” finale — for those wondering how the encore did at 11pm, it averaged .748 million)”
So it accually increased in viewers from the “Life” Episode. Once the DVR + 7 numbers get I i’m guessing it will be closer to 2.5m viewers. “Justice” to me was the 2nd best episode behind “Time” and had a great ending
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I believe if we took an account the previous DVR+7 tit would be around 600.000 so the total viewers would be around 2.0 not 2.5.
that route. = that they took this route.
@JoeSheppard
If you take 1.34m (SD+LIVE) + 748K for the encore + 600K for the DVR number you are around 2.5m
@Tom
Take heart, continuations of Atlantis in book and comic form have a huge chance of being better than an Atlantis movie written by Mallozzi. :/
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Except the fact since SGA was cancelled all books expected have been delayed (the official companion season 5, Dead end….)
So it would seem they are killing off SGA twice.
I didn’t expect SGU to be another happy go lucky adventure. I expected it to be smart, sophisticated, and captivating. Boy was I wrong.
@Tom
I’m not sure about what you said.
http://forums.syfy.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=2338729&view=findpost&p=6632766
It would seem SGU gained 600.000 DVR+7 vievers after vievers+SD.
I don’t understand your encore. IMO they are already included in live viewers +SD
Joe, no, the airings from the encore that runs later are not included in the numbers reported for 9pm. Nielsen separates out different time slot viewings, and it does not aggregate them.
@timotey
I have no doubt that SGU will be renewed – unfortunately. Which just proves that SGA was NOT canceled because of bad ratings but because the writers just grew tired of it and instead of letting someone else take over, they just dumped it. It’s pretty ironic that their new toy is doing only slightly better than the old one they dumped because it wasn’t “shiny” anymore.
@morena
They really should have turned Atlantis over to someone who cared and let it continue for a few more seasons with better writers
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I agree they would have to put in charge some people who would fight for the show. BW and co had already quit the show 3 years ago letting JM and PM directing SGA.
I’ve already said this but these people were too full of themselves to let someone else taking the reins. It woud seem they consider SG franchise only belonging to them when she belongs to MGM.
@Robert seidman
Thanks for your explanation. I’ve never seen these before. The numbers I got are numbers in live from here and numbers DVR+7 given on syfy forum( I let the link above)
Thanks again
@Tom
Your only going to see SGA as a movie. Atlantis was cancelled for a reason is was getting repeative and a little boring. I’m accually getting tired of the Atlantis cry babies.. its gone deal with it. The SG francise needed something different instead of make a SG1 or SGA clone. I’ll agree that SGU isn’t the best but its quite enjoyable and is getting better every episode. Like many ppl of said if you dont like it dont watch it and i’d agree. Anyways enough said looking forward to the SGU re-runs.
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It’s your opinion. I find SGA/SG1 more enjoyable than SGU so boring without humor, action acting like a team. Try to respect others opinions of yours. It would seem you’re not in majority here or any others forums. I’m not crying. I feel pain coz what SG is became.
@robert Seidman
I’m definitely not affiliated with SGU and I’ll second James’ opinion of “I’m actually getting tired of the Atlantis cry babies.. its gone deal with it.”
I don’t have any problem with people expressing their opinions about SGU, but Atlantis is dead, the Atlantis cry babies are tiresome, and again, SGA is gone (other than possible movie at some point).
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Some SGU people defend their show without any arguement except for them it does good…. in rates. not really.
@James
Hey arn’t sinking anything, SGU is a very good show and a great addition to the SG franchise. I also agree to BONG, the characters in SGU are pretty accurate to how someone would react in the situtaion they are in. I think everyone expected a happy go lucky adventure like SG1/SGA. I for one did expect something like that but was quite happy that route.
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It’s your opinion not mine. In addition I maintain SGU risks to kill the franchise. None character is likeable when those SGA/SG1 were. I don’t care of them than I was interested in SGA/SG1′s ones.
@JoeSheppard
I think you meant to put the statment you have directed at Tom at James. James was the one that said those things. Tom did not.
Tom actually said:
“I didn’t expect SGU to be another happy go lucky adventure. I expected it to be smart, sophisticated, and captivating. Boy was I wrong.”
I agree with that statement, and I agree with what you said about SGA needing a few more seasons run by people who would fight for the show.
There is nothing the producers/writers can do to improve SGU because its the characters that are awful, boring and annoying. They can up the action and turn them into heroic saints and I still wouldnt watch anymore episodes of this show. The SGU cast are completely miscast imo, and Carlyle is just not leading man material. Not one of these actors stands out and makes me care or like their characters. I really couldnt care less what happens to any of them anymore. The acting is forced and there is no chemistry between the characters. It will be a disgrace if this show gets renewed for a second season. It is totally killing what Stargate stood for.
@morena
I think you meant to put the statment you have directed at Tom at James. James was the one that said those things. Tom did not.
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You’re right. It’s James not Tom who wrote this.
Sorry Tom.
James seems the only one who tries to defend SGU here and seems not to accept others could not like SGU and we don’t have any credibility and capacity to appreciate it comparing us to babies.
All New Sanctuary Tonight @10pm on Syfy
I find it interesting that the advertising for tonight’s New Sanctuary episode guest-starring Michael Shanks (SG-1’s Daniel Jackson) has been really low key.
Since they seem to not have the advertising budget that SGU has, I’m interested to see how it does on it’s own.
Without Stargate Atlantis (SGA) on the air, Sanctuary and Heroes are the only shows that remotely fill in that sci-fi drama void for me. And when I say drama, I mean the good kind, not the soap stuff.
I’ve heard alot of the “you’re just too dull witted to understand what SGU is trying to do”. I can’t buy that at all.
SGU is supposedly a sci-fi show that tried to rope in the fanbase from SG1 and SGA. Among the larger demographics that followed the SG franchise would be engineers, IT workers, professionals, those interested in science/physics/exploration/mathematics.
As for the deep characters I have to admit solid acting. The actions of the characters and how they relate to one another doesn’t seem intelligent to me though. The characters really do need a good shrink.
every week I watch this show hoping that it will get interesting. one of the actors assumed the show would be a hit because there was more “sex”?? are you kidding, we don’t watch stargate for sex, or for drama, we get away from out real world to watch imaginative sci fi, not days of our lives in space. I was really surprise that SGU had a season finale, seemed to me like they were just getting started. the only 2 highlights for me in all the episodes is watching that scientist guy get his ass wooped at the end of the last episode, that should of happened in the begining, it would of been better if he showed a little more blood or could hear a bone cracking, I really hated his character, but predictable he was left behind on a planet with an alien ship. hmm so a chance this turd showing up in some later episodes? likely… it was all too convenient leaving him on that planet with a ship on it. another highlight was watching lou diamond philips get his ass kicked, another annoying character on the show. another thing that didn’t make sense is the ship only goes FTL, and earth has ships that goes into hyperspace and can reach pegasus in 2 weeks, um should like 6 months in space catch up with them? doesn’t ring right. unless the writers start thinking action and less drama, the show is doom to fail, if it has not already.
I dont like people that just go on and on about this or that show being the worse ever. Truth be told, the show isn’t bad (otherwise i wouldn’t watch it) however, it is nothing compared to how good SGA or SG-1 where, for me especially SGA for its combined excellent characteristics (humour, action, nature etc..). After a show like that (2 actually) bringing this to the viewers cant certainly be called smart, i mean what made stargate so original and addictive, is gone. Please, just do me a favour and count the number of episodes the stargate was used (remember, it should be something like 9/10) and then you might see what i mean…
PS: I will at least watch the whole first season, and i confess maybe more, 10 episodes haven’t been enough to decide on that just yet
I think SGU is the best of the Stargate shows to come along, but I can see why some people don’t like it. It’s much more mature than the other series, and by that I mean the characters are more complex, more real, and the show doesn’t rely on cheesy humor than the other shows.
The characters all don’t get along, and that’s believable since none of them chose to be where they are. Another poster said it’s too much like BSG, and that’s true, but only because BSG had a more realistic feel and so does SGU.
“…but I can see why some people don’t like it. It’s much more mature than the other series, and by that I mean the characters are more complex, more real”
That is so definitely not right. Battlestar Galactica for instance was more mature than this show and a much better show.
I would have liked this if they had not removed everything stargate-ish and made the characters so utterly stupid.
They should add and orgy to get the ratings back up.
First; we all know that Rush will have to come back, as he has had top billing. Second does anybody have any ideas how? I wonder if the alien vessel will have anything to do with his getting back to Destiny. I am enjoying SGU, but, I Still miss Atlantis. Hell, I still miss SG1 with Cam, and Vala, not to mention RDA.
@ Morena. Good argument about the characters not being psychologically accurate. I wouldn’t even believe you went to an internet college for a psych degree.
@ Tom. Boring is a judgment call, but if enjoying programming where the characters are “awful” (i.e., realistic) makes one not have a life, someone better go tell all the LOST, Desperate Housewives, Sopranos, Shield, Damages (I could go on) fans that they have no lives because they don’t want all the characters in the TV shows they watch to be chipper cheesy stereotypes from 80′s television.
@ GNO. You missed the point. They didn’t add sex so people would tune in. They added sex because they wanted to have characters like act like real people. What’s more realistic, Carter and O’Neill never hooking up, or a slutty scientist boning half the ship? It was smart on the writer’s part, except they didn’t take one thing into account. Most Stargate fans obviously don’t get laid. Sex=unrealistic to the narcissistic fans of the series apparently.
@ Everybody. SGU is usually one of the top sellers (in the top 10-30) on the Playstation Network week in and week out. I don’t know about the istore, but that’s a lot of cash coming in just from Playstation. Add in merchandise, the upcoming PC game(s), and DVD sales, we’ll probably have SGU on for a while. So stop crying, and go watch MacGuyver repeats or something written by Steven J. Cannell (try Renegade) if you really miss your cheesy, completely unrealistic TV.
bong. No one is crying and maybe you should stop throwing your toys out of your pram because people don’t agree with you. And please don’t tell me that these characters are more realistic. They represent the dregs of society and yes indeed there are selfish immoral self abosorbed people out there, who only care about themselves, but they are a tiny section of our society. Its also made up of good decent and courageous people who would act with integrity in dangerous situations. So the ptb have chose to hightlight all the baser elements of our society but its no more realistic than the previous characters putting their lives at risk for others and acting for the greater good.
If you like people bickering and backstabbing and screaming at each other good for you but don’t tell me that this is any more realistic than people working together and actually helping one another,and god forbid actually acting like professionals instead of whining children.
So far I see nothing “mature” about any of these characters. Forced drama and forced “issues” don’t make a show mature, its how the characters handle themselves that shows maturity and so far the SGU characters have acted like immature self absorbed brats.
Bong I can see by your personal insults to others on here that you are the target audience of this soap opera.
“So far I see nothing “mature” about any of these characters. Forced drama and forced “issues” don’t make a show mature, its how the characters handle themselves that shows maturity and so far the SGU characters have acted like immature self absorbed brats.”
yep, it’s true
http://sgusucks.com
So far I see nothing “mature” about any of these characters. Forced drama and forced “issues” don’t make a show mature, its how the characters handle themselves that shows maturity and so far the SGU characters have acted like immature self absorbed brats.
yep, damn true
@Bong
You sound like you’ve been smoking one.
Not that it matters, but it’s interesting that you bring up psych degrees. I know 4 people that have them, 2 are family members. So, if I wanted to understand the human psyche from a clinical standpoint, I could definitely find out. And, I went to a real college, which is more than you can probably say for yourself.
And yes, Stargate fans get laid honey, we’re just not careless with our bodies. And we certainly wouldn’t be careless with someone else’s. I would never be guilty of rape, or think of it as entertainment.
I don’t mind 100% consensual sex scenes if they are (1) done well and (2) contribute to the overall story and (3) make sense. Not all of these criteria have been met at the same time on SGU.
I think it’s interesting the way people keep talking about the humor in the only 2 real Stargate shows (SGA/SG1) like somehow being funny and being intelligent/mature are mutually exclusive. Give me a break people! SG1 and SGA made a lot of sense, and were watched and enjoyed by intelligent and mature people who could relate to them because the characters were complex and spectacular.
If either of these 2 shows were as bad as SGU, then they wouldn’t have lasted for a combined total of 15 seasons.
Many people have said that the characters on SGU behave like children in an adult situation. I agree with this. I have never seen any of BSG, but I would hope that the characters on that show behaved more like adults than the SGU crew does.
If I didn’t “choose” to be somewhere, but my life, future, and any chance of getting back home literally depended on how well I was able to work with others to solve the problems we were facing, then you’d better believe that I wouldn’t be picking fights or having careless and casual sex, going clubbing, backstabbing, etc.
At least Lost is coming back on in a month. Can’t wait to see it. Now there’s a great show about complex and realistic characters that didn’t “choose” to be in their situation. Why watch a rip-off when you can watch the real thing.
its fairly obvious , if i watched 8 years of monk and 5 years of universe i would prefer to see the finalle for monk
@Morena, I watched BSG. The characters all had their own issues and demons, but those were a second arc of each episode. The big picture was survival and trying to not be exterminated by the Cylons.
@xedout
Thanks for confirming my belief. Considering that BSG was critically acclaimed, I figured that this is how that show would have dealt with things.
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On another note, Universe has only run for 10 episodes (maybe it feelis like 5 years because of how they drag on). But nevertheless, I chose to watch the Monk finale (on DVR) and skipped SGU all together. So, I agree with the overall point that the Monk finale was much more appealing to viewing audiences. Still doesn’t explain why the “young crowd” didn’t tune into Universe in droves.
@Morena, BSG did have its creative low points. I almost gave up on it during part of the third season. It then got back on-track. It never did fall in to the sort of mess which is SGU.
The younger viewer is fairly sophisticated and demanding.
There may be a good story somewhere in SGU. I’m still trying to figure out the POV. The ‘enemy within’ idea(?) is draggy. I’m guessing that the writers got used to writing for a certain dynamic and type of character, and are trying to bring this dynamic to the show, but are failing. There could be some very good work in discussing the ethics of the ‘communication stones’, but that hasn’t happened. Some of the audience is offended by the stones and the poor and, at times squicky storytelling that has resulted. Women can and do write sci-fi, and that might help the show.
Younger viewers aren’t usually home on a Friday night. If you can get your story out of the gate well, you might be able to get some staying home or at least talking about the show. Gratuitious chest shots may work for an adolescent, but not for most other folks.
I don’t know if the show was initially tested or focus-grouped.
Dumping the ‘Stargate’ might also help. ‘Stargate’ is a known brand and the show does disservice to it.
There is no ‘big picture’ yet and no compelling reason for me to return in the spring.
Why do people insist blaming Monk, and the 1 week skip for low ratings? Seriously, if the show was any good at all, the season finale would have brought in a lot more viewers despite a series finale on another channel.
It’s not the first time the show had a big dip in ratings. I’m going to continue to follow what happens to SG:U, and continue to post for one reason – I want the show to fail.
When, not if, the show fails I will be overjoyed. SG:U is horrible disgrace to the Stargate Franchise.
They should have kept going with SG:A. The people in charge of renewing contracts thought it would be more profitable to let SG:A staff contracts expire instead of paying them more money for future episodes.
I wonder just how much money they lost going with this new SG:U disaster. The greedy bastards get what they deserve.
DOWN WITH SG:U!!!!!
@morena
I have heard a lot of people say that the substandard writing was something they put up with because they loved those characters, and I agree. Even when I didn’t like certain episodes of Atlantis, I still liked the characters/actors and was interested in them. They just needed better writers.
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I totally agree. If some scripts were weak and is spite of this SGA cast did a great job with what they gave them. Thanks to the actors coz they made me liking the SGA characters and I’ve the desire to find them again each week and every year.
@John mc
I dont like people that just go on and on about this or that show being the worse ever. Truth be told, the show isn’t bad (otherwise i wouldn’t watch it) however, it is nothing compared to how good SGA or SG-1 where, for me especially SGA for its combined excellent characteristics (humour, action, nature etc..). After a show like that (2 actually) bringing this to the viewers cant certainly be called smart, i mean what made stargate so original and addictive, is gone. Please, just do me a favour and count the number of episodes the stargate was used (remember, it should be something like 9/10) and then you might see what i mean…
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I agree. These 2 previous series made a strong fan base addictive. especially with the reasons you gave.(humor, action, aliens, team spirit, great actors who did a great job to be strongly related with the audience through their character, great acting) all these thing I can’t find in SGU or SGU lost. I can list the SGA’s characters and SG1′s ones but not SGU’s ones.
@ex stargate fan
So far I see nothing “mature” about any of these characters. Forced drama and forced “issues” don’t make a show mature, its how the characters handle themselves that shows maturity and so far the SGU characters have acted like immature self absorbed brats.
@alien0
a show mature, its how the characters handle themselves that shows maturity and so far the SGU characters have acted like immature self absorbed brats.
yep, damn true
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I agree with”Forced drama and forced “issues” don’t make a show mature”
@ Everybody. If you aren’t crying, you wouldn’t be here ten weeks into a TV show complaining it doesn’t suit your fancy. But bottom line is, you people have a naive view on humanity. If you find these characters the dregs of society, you really have no idea what the world is like. These characters are average people. They make mistakes, judgment calls, and do what they have to do to get ahead. Check the statistics for infidelity rates, rape rates, child molestation rates, etc. The DOJ has most of that stuff available. And the military is running just the way it does in real life on that show, for a change. I got that straight from the horse’s mouths. Anyway, I’m out til I can bring Roddy Piper with me to give ya’all a reality check.
@Bong
“And the military is running just the way it does in real life on that show, for a change. I got that straight from the horse’s mouths.”
You’re the one that needs a reality check. Real military does not act like this on sensitive operations. The average grunts in the field may act this way, but individuals with top secret security clearance do not. There is no show of military professionalism in this show, code of conduct, or real chain of command.
You can watch the personal footage that grunts post on Youtube and see more professionalism. They goof off, and cut up, but they follow orders, chain of command, and MCC. And those people aren’t even close to having top secret clearance of anything remotely close to what the Stargate Program would require.
SG-1 had an episode in which they were training new, young officers for a chance at the Stargate Program. If they didn’t pass the test they could join a team.
How on Earth these people made it to a team is beyond me, let alone placed on one of most sensitive missions ever…
SG1 and SGA showed a great deal of Military Code of Conduct, and Professionalism. It may not have been 100% on the money at all times, but it was close enough. SGU doesn’t even come close.
@myself…
Correction: If they didn’t pass the test they COULD NOT join a team…
I have posted from the first episode that SGU will not keep a large number of the long time fans of the franchise and the numbers are beginning to show the reality of my opinion. It is likely only going to get worse in both the ratings and the quality of the episodes from here on out.
Maybe a few changes in the showrunner and writers’ room might get the franchise back on target. If the egos of those in charge are allowed to continue the franchise will just die and like so many good programs become a thing of the past.
If an Atlantis movie is ever made then a second version of Atlantis COULD be done, but I seriously doubt anything concerning Atlantis will ever happen. It has become a matter of PRIDE to kill Atlantis by the folks incharge. Their PRIDE will prevent Atlantis from ever being done again.
Folks after nearly sixteen years the folks at the Stargate franchise are burned out and it shows in every thing they do now. Just read the RANTS the two main guys behind the franchise are putting out against anyone that challanges their ideas of the direction the franchise should go.
As bad as I hate it maybe we should just let it die and move on and looking at the ratings death seems to be coming to SGU already.
Well I love the show and hope it lasts!!!
A breath of fresh air in my opinion.
I have what 8 seasons of SG-1 and 5 of Atlantis to watch when I want more of the same.
SGU has continued to surprise me and entertain me (I’m not a scientist nor a military expert)…I think the show is more about what normal civilian “people” with a few military personnel added to the mix, would or wouldn’t do in a pretty complex social/safety dilemma.
I think it’s done a great job portraying the kinds of emotions and stresses individuals would go through in that kind of circumstances.
I think some of the core “old timer” fan base needs to lighten up and accept and enjoy a different type/kind/direction SG show!
But that’s just me…
Again, hope it lasts!!!
Regards
Stu
Ever notice how fanboys like Bong can’t debate the arguments made against SGU? Don’t think too hard, buddy. Preserve your fantasy world where SGU is deep and intelligent SF with realistic characters. The whole show unravels once you start watching it with half a brain.
I really tried to get into SGU. But I just can’t. I really wish I could enjoy the show. But for now, I’m just going to watch my old SG episodes on dvd for my fill.
@tristan
The writting in SG1 and SGA was NOT brilliant by any stretch of the imagination. It was FUN however, and yes the science was friggin cool and that’s why fans stuck around. funny character interaction, cool facial expressions, high values, gadgets, military expeditions/exploration, alien races … oh my . YEAH NOW THAT’S WHAT I’M TALKIN ‘BOUT!!!
@morena
I have heard a lot of people say that the substandard writing was something they put up with because they loved those characters, and I agree. Even when I didn’t like certain episodes of Atlantis, I still liked the characters/actors and was interested in them. They just needed better writers.
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I agree with both of you. They had the cast who brought a lot to their characters making them likable. So many went through their acting and facial expression improving so much the scripts making we wanted to follow them each week each ep each year.
@sylvia knowles
Not enforcing with Brad and Co. that they had a good thing going with SGA and that they could have let some one else take it over if they were tired of it.
Wright and Cooper could have produced their self-indulgence along side another season of SGA (with others at the helm), but chose not to. I think they, MGM and SyFy shot themselves in the foot with that decision.
@morena
It looks like some people are saying it’s more Syfy/MGM and others are saying it’s more Brad/Rob and the gang. I don’t know for sure. But, I think it’s both. And I think it started during those last 2-2 1/2 seasons of Atlantis ever so gradually (or not). My impression is that tptb got a little tipsy with their past successes and started lazily coasting along. (Note that the producers are are ALSO the writers for the show)
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In fact it’s BW and co who decided and didn’t want to let the reins to others even if it was JM/PM in spite of I think of them who impoved SGA for the last 2 seasons bringind maturity, “darkness” but keeping humor, more adult more realistic too.
They maybe didn’t want a strong opposition to their new toys and hoped their “old viewers” would follow them coz there was “stargate ” name in the title.
So BW and gang killed off an entire series to make SGU and by now probably the Franchise.
@TBH
This series could probably be handed back to Atlantis and SG1, or ended and/or go back to movies only, pretty easily if they wanted with an Atlantis rescue of Destiny.
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LOL. I dream this. It would be fun but I’m afraid unrealist. It would be fun to see Atlantis coming to rescue SGU the reason of their cancellation who. In addition the cast has moved on by now and I don’t blame them for this. Plus I think some would be reluctant to work again with such producers.
@Tom
Atlantis is unfortunately the ugly stepchild of the Stargate franchise, only brought up by producers and Universe fanboys when they need something to mock to make Universe look better. That attitude has really backfired
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I agree. TPTB used SGA for one year and half to demonstrate SGU was better.
@Morena
For me, Atlantis is really the beautiful step child (Cinderella) that gets treated badly even though it has the potential and deserves to become Stargate royalty. If only it could meet a prince and a fairy god-mother to help it fulfull its true potential…
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@James
““Stargate Universe” (1.34 million — a series low against the “Monk” finale — for those wondering how the encore did at 11pm, it averaged .748 million)”
So it accually increased in viewers from the “Life” Episode. Once the DVR + 7 numbers get I i’m guessing it will be closer to 2.5m viewers. “Justice” to me was the 2nd best episode behind “Time” and had a great ending
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You’re the only one who use the numbers of the encore 11pm to incresase SGU numbers and spin them. UNFAIR.
I let here one link to bring SGU numbers in live and DVR+7
@James again
SGU will be back for season 2 for sure there are a ton of viewers like love SGU and there demo numbers are doing much better then SGA was.
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No arguments here only your feelings.
@Timotey
Yes, the demo numbers and viewership of SGU’s S1 is better than SGA’s S5 – on average, counting in a SERIES premiere that’s generally sampled by broader public. And also, ON AVERAGE is the word here. The viewership of the latest eps sunk to SGA’s levels – the lowest rated ep of SGU’s S1 dropped even lower than the lowest rated ep of SGA’s S5 (1.34 vs. 1.4 mil.), for the A18-49 I’ve seen no comparison ep-to-ep
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I think you mean SGU in this sentence:The viewership of the latest eps sunk to SGA’s levels
@Timotey
I have no doubt that SGU will be renewed – unfortunately. Which just proves that SGA was NOT canceled because of bad ratings but because the writers just grew tired of it and instead of letting someone else take over, they just dumped it. It’s pretty ironic that their new toy is doing only slightly better than the old one they dumped because it wasn’t “shiny” anymore.
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I remember it was for creative reasons not for the ratings. LOL.
@Morena
They really should have turned Atlantis over to someone who cared and let it continue for a few more seasons with better writers.
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I agree.
@Billbill
Dopey? The only reason they wouldn’t do it because it would mean admitting they were wrong! It would be as simple as pie to bring it back, and would go along way to restore the people’s faith in SCI FI!!!
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They can’t admit they are wrong and it’s too late to restore our faith in them.
@Booradley
SG:U is horrible disgrace to the Stargate Franchise.
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Indeed.
They should have kept going with SG:A. The people in charge of renewing contracts thought it would be more profitable to let SG:A staff contracts expire instead of paying them more money for future episodes.
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So MGM would have paid SGA cast for the last year (6th season) alongside SGU’s ones instead of renegociating contracts fot 6th season. The SGA cast had 6 years contracts.
Really good business.
I wonder just how much money they lost going with this new SG:U disaster. The greedy bastards get what they deserve.
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I wonder how much will SG franchise be estimated before and after SGU.
@stargate fan
If an Atlantis movie is ever made then a second version of Atlantis COULD be done, but I seriously doubt anything concerning Atlantis will ever happen. It has become a matter of PRIDE to kill Atlantis by the folks incharge. Their PRIDE will prevent Atlantis from ever being done again.
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Second version of Atlantis: It would be very hard to imagine SGA without its main cast.(JF, DH, JM, RL)
It’s true I think BW and co have ever liked SGA it’s why he left the series a long time ago.
LOL @Bong’s “you really have no idea what the world is like.”
No matter how you spin it SGU is just pathetic and in no way reflect the real word.
The stones for example, there’s no “it’s your turn to play with it”, it just doesn’t happen, it’s not a water bottle. No government is going to allow any staff member to use mission critical equipments (stones) for personal use. End of story.
Instead of using the stones to contact people like Rodney they use it to go to a club? ROFL and you are saying it is realistic.
Wait, a military officer using his nemesis’s body to bang his wife is completely realistic behavior? Really? HAHAHAHAHA!
@ex stargate fan
There is nothing the producers/writers can do to improve SGU because its the characters that are awful, boring and annoying. They can up the action and turn them into heroic saints and I still wouldnt watch anymore episodes of this show. The SGU cast are completely miscast imo, and Carlyle is just not leading man material. Not one of these actors stands out and makes me care or like their characters. I really couldnt care less what happens to any of them anymore. The acting is forced and there is no chemistry between the characters. It will be a disgrace if this show gets renewed for a second season. It is totally killing what Stargate stood for.
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I totally agree. SGU cast are completely miscast. SG1/SGA cast were great involved in their part and brought a lot to make likable and we cared about them. There was obvious chemistry between them and cast had abilities to show emotions by their acting and facial expressions in spite of TPTB said about them by now. They were better. I’ve still wondered why R. Carlyle came to loose him in that show. He is a good actor but not a lead actor. When BW hire him he thought this will appeal audience. Quicly he was awared it was not the case so they brought back RDA, MS and AT to attempt to seduce us.
Or maybe the material writers gave him is too poor.
I feel bad for all the fanboys going to such lengths to defend the show. They’re so desperate to watch anything with “STARGATE” in the title that they have to twist and spin to pretend that this pile of crap is a great science fiction show.
Fire the writers and producers and hire fresh and talented people. The franchise will continue to stagnate until then.
What gets me is how TPTB were trying to go mainstream with the casting for SGU. I don’t think this worked. I think that because they happened to hire actors with great chemistry the first 2 times around, they took for granted how much chemistry matters.
You can hire 6 or 9 really great actors that do what they are supposed to do with the scripts that they are given. They can all individually be very good in their performances. But, that doesn’t mean that they will all play well off of each other. This is what’s missing on SGU with the cast, and this is something that even good writing cannot fix. It also doesn’t help that the writing on SGU is not good.
When I think about the amazing chemistry that the Atlantis cast had, it reminds me of another, and more mainstream, show: “Friends”
Remember, I’m talking about chemistry here, not the show itself. The cast of Friends had great chemistry along with good writing that allowed the show to be a monster success for 10 years, until the Actors didn’t want to do it anymore. These actors were paid 1 million dollars per episode each, not just because of how great they all were individually, but also because of how great they were TOGETHER. Cast chemistry can be the heart of a show, and smart people that are in charge know this.
The Powers That Be for Friends knew what they had with that show, and they weren’t going to mess with it. I contrast that to TPTB for Atlantis, they seemed to think that SGA’s success was all them, and that the actors/characters didn’t matter so such. We could see this with the survivor-like cast changes each season which left me irritated (to say the least) more than once.
I agree with people that are saying that PRIDE got in the way.
Brad/Rob and whoever else are NOT going to admit that they messed up what could have been GOLD with Atlantis. SGA was the “mainstream” show in my opinion. It mainly just needed to keep the season 2 cast in tact, and some better writing. I think that the possibilities for SGA were limitless if they could have only just done that.
Such a shame.
I don’t understand the ratings & that stuff so…Do you guys think SGU will be canceled???…
@Stu
I think it’s done a great job portraying the kinds of emotions and stresses individuals would go through in that kind of circumstances.
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I Agree 100%
@Morena
Personally I think the CAST of SGU is awesome and has great chem. the only character I dont like is LDP. You have to think about the situation they are in and taking that into consideration they are acting pretty much bang on. They could of done without LDP and Youngs wife but that 1 small part of all the 10 episodes. I have no idea why ppl have some much issues with what they do with the stones. All the stuff that happens makes complete sence with the situation they are in. They will likely not see home again and that stress alone can make ppl do crazy things (clubing,sex,etc.. even with someone else body). All in all the writers have done a great job portraying the emotions one would go through in there situation. LIke i said before all the hardcore SG fans want a happy story of adventure/action and thats now what they got.
@Morena
I think that because they happened to hire actors with great chemistry the first 2 times around, they took for granted how much chemistry matters.
You can hire 6 or 9 really great actors that do what they are supposed to do with the scripts that they are given. They can all individually be very good in their performances. But, that doesn’t mean that they will all play well off of each other. This is what’s missing on SGU with the cast, and this is something that even good writing cannot fix. It also doesn’t help that the writing on SGU is not good.
I contrast that to TPTB for Atlantis, they seemed to think that SGA’s success was all them, and that the actors/characters didn’t matter so such. We could see this with the survivor-like cast changes each season which left me irritated (to say the least) more than once.
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I agree about chemistry. It was obvious there was complicity between cast and it’s because this chemistry existed the series worked.
JF declared in his ” conversation with the colonel” what he was the most proud was he created a strong lasting friendship betwwen them on the set and after. The same with SG1 cast. In the 2 series there were a real leader, RD. Anderson for SG1 and J. Flanigan for SGA.
@James
“You have to think about the situation they are in and taking that into consideration they are acting pretty much bang on.”
-James, I think that if you have to explain to someone, specifically a sci-fi fan, what the “have” to do to enjoy the show, then the show is at fault, not the viewer. Maybe they are acting “bang on” to what a real person would do. What makes that a great a TV show? So far, it has made the show boring and drab.
If a character is put into the situation of being lost in a crowd, and really having to pee, that could be quite a conflict, no? Show of hands… who wants to watch that drama play out? My point is: just because the characters are behaving the way we would expect real people to behave, doesn’t make it worth watching. In fact, it puts much more pressure on the writers to come up with some seriously good stuff. Which so far, has not happened.
@James
“Bang on”
NO! NO! NO! They are not acting “bang on.” They are acting like people YOU may know, act, but not how real people in this situation would act.
Military, and Civilian personnel for this kind of security clearance is well beyond anything you see in your day to day life. What do you think of when you think of the NSA, or CIA? These people are like drones when on the job.
The mindset alone elevates them to heights light years beyond this cast. You ever met a bunch of MIT nerds? Smart people are not normal people. They do not act like normal people. They act like Rodney McKay – arrogant, rude, self-indulgent. There are a few exceptions, but not many.
This cast is NOT “bang on.” This cast is “Bang OFF.”
@jw
Accually I find the show quite enjoyable i guess it isn’t just your cup of tea
@BooRadley
It doesn’t matter who they work for or how they are supposed to act in that job. That went out the window the minute they steped on Destiny. They are maroned 200 billion light years from earth and have no way back. They more then likely will not see there loved ones again and not walk the earth again. This changes how ppl act even if you are a part of the military, NSA, CIA, etc. Think of the emotions you would have if that happened to you?. The actors/writers have taken this situtaion and made the viewer feel how each character would feel. With that said I think they hit it bang on, each character has a story and theyr’e actions fit to how I think they would act.
@James
You obviously haven’t got a clue how people in the real world in these positions are mentally. They are not just going to all of a sudden stop being part of whatever job they have, and revert back to college frat house mentality.
Sailors stuck on sunken submarines don’t abandon all hope, and throw MCC out the nearest hatch. They don’t think, “Probably never going to see my family, friends, or other loved ones again. I’m probably never going to walk on land again, or see the sky…LET’S HAVE ORGY!”
Well…I take that back…They might think it, but they DON’T DO IT!
Sailors on a sunken submarine, or other sunken vessel are sailors to the end! They may panic, they may fight, but they follow military protocol, and chain of command till they are either rescued, or dead.
Civilians have to follow Military Protocol as well when working on a Military Project. They are subject to exact same rules and regulations in all aspects, but to a majority they are. This is especially true on sensitive operations, or projects.
The cast of SG:U is worthless, and are portraying anything even remotely close to realistic behavior no matter the circumstance.
@Myself
Damn typos: “and ARE NOT portraying”
@BooRadley
Well that’s your opinion and I personally think you are wrong.
@Bong
“SGU has psychologically accurate characters”
You misspelled psychopatic
“Woah, this site is banned in China? Awesome”
It isn’t: http://www.alertra.com
@bong
“These characters are average people.”
None that I’ve seen. You are sure you are not just trying to justify something you’ve done ?
“And the military is running just the way it does in real life on that show, ”
Which is why they stopped acting as ad visors for the show.
James you talk about “emotions” and how these people “feel”, I think you have hit on why some people like it and most hate it. It isn’t about problem solving or synaptic stimulation for left brain logical thinkers/viewers, its a soap opera for right brain emotional thinkers/viewers.
Kermonk, we *were* blocked in China when that was written, without a doubt. But we are no longer.
We need to start a RedRover Game:
team 1: Reality
team 2: Fantasy Land
Some people really need to be RedRover’ed to Reality.
Average people don’t have jobs like this.
Average people don’t get this level of security clearance.
I mean really! C’mon! It’s not an “opinion,” it’s a fact!
You don’t apply for jobs like this, you get recruited. Fact!
They don’t just recruit any Tom, Dick (Richard encase they ****), and Harry. Fact!
When they screen people for this stuff, they interview pretty much everyone they think you have had contact with. Fact!
They interview friends, neighbors, colleagues, family, teachers, and other people that are relevant. Fact!
They research everything about you they can. You know you better than you know you sometimes. Fact!
And that is just for one person!
Nearly everyone on Destiny are the type of people you would see working at Wal-Mart, Realty, Bank Teller, and/or Lawyer.
Average people, with average jobs. None of them belong on Destiny, and none of them belong off world. These people are not the “right stuff.”
In reality, not one of these people would have this level of security clearance.
i Honestly dont see what everyone is moaning about, his show gives a more adult aspect to the series, lets face it, the other stargates were the only shows in the franchise to deserve the word DRIVEL to descrive them, they consisted of badly written cheesy lines delivered byt cheesey actors, this show is FAR superior in every way – maybe its me i dont know, or maybe its just blended a fantasey world with good writting and better acting and this is simply too much for cheesey bad sci loving sci fi geeks?
and to the last comment – they were hardley selected for an elite mission on an alien space ship were they….. they were the habitants of a world that was ending and escaped.. think it through eh?
@Eddie
Think it through? Take your own advice, how do you think they were on the planet to begin with?
Jesus…
Far superior? LMFAO
More adult aspect to the series? LMFAO
I love sarcasm. You get an A+
If you’re serious though… I give you double D’s because that’s all you want from a show. ( . )( . )
@eddie
when I cared about SG1/SGA characters and I appreciated the acting of each ones in it and I waited for them each week.:)
the other stargates were the only shows in the franchise to deserve the word DRIVEL to descrive them, they consisted of badly written cheesy lines delivered byt cheesey actors, this show is FAR superior in every way
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Obviously we don’t have the same definition of acting. How can you tell the previous cast of the previous series were cheesy actors the ones who made what is SG Franchise till now even if a few eps were not good or well written? Average of SGU good ep is lower in 10 eps and average of bad ones is higher. Look at the rates drop.
All you said described well what I think about SGU. bad acting exept R. Carlyle poor writting bunch of kids lost in space drived by their own selfish and having no maturity drived by their desire forgetting what mean team and working together. There are none strong qualities in these people that would make we can respect them. They only stressed their flaws unable to fight for the others. if it is necessary, in producers’ mind to write shocking scenes or stress the weakness of human to make a success and this means to make entertainment I don’t share this.
I look for escapism, dream strong and likable characters and awesome cast like SG1/SGA got.
More adult did you say? Far superior? I don’t think so
I don’t think SGC would have hired a such inexperienced people in their program. no leader, no strong soldier who can make good decision. No entertainment in it. I bored myself when I watched it and I don’t care about these characters
I thanks these cast to give me this entertainment and pleasure.
I got 15 years of enjoyment and this ended with SGU.
I forget to say this in my last post and must add this. How can you tell this about the 2 previous series that won so many awards and especially “people choice award 2008″ for SGA? Could you compare all these viewers like cheesy viewers not enough intelligent coz they watched and appreciated these previous shows? Don’t insult our intelligence. It would seem in your mind only SGU viewers are more intelligent than SGA’s.
We don’t have the same idea what show must be. That’s all it’s only pesonnal opinion.
@JoeSheppard
LMAO nice rant, I find it funning that you are trying to defend a show that is already dead. SGA was a good series but it was more happy/cheesy/we are all going to die show rather than a serious/dark/realistic show like SGU. Did I enjoy the SGA for course, did I want another series like that hell no. SG needed to evolve into a more realistic/intelligent show rather than the monster of the week/we are all going to die show. Now eddie was kind of harsh on SGA because I think the acting was quite good and so was the writing but it was losing steam in the last 1.5 seasons. I think the producers did the right choice cancelling SGA and evolving SG to what it is now: SGU.
If SGA was losing steam in the last two seasons it was because of the terrible writing, caused by the same writers now producing this stuff. The producers are the writers!
They lost their creativity and have tried to reinvent science fiction drama with creating a brooding soap opera in space.
Every genre has to follow a certain theme for it to be thought of as being within that genre and directed at the majority of fans wanting to watch that particular type of show.
If you took a well liked comedy like “Two and a half men” and introduced a murder sequence, and a crime scene investigation finding one of the main characters were guilty and then had to go to trial. It would no longer be a comedy and those people who wanted to watch a comedy would stop watching.
This is what SGU has done. It is not Sci-Fi, when the science is ridiculously bad, the stories are full of plot holes, and the character portrayal of professionals is no where near realistic.
Anyone saying this is what they want, in Sci-Fi are clearly not science fiction fans, just as anyone wanting crime and suspense in their comedy shows is not a fan of situational Comedy, and claiming the Comedy “Finally grew up” becoming all dark and brooding is trying to justify ruining a comedy. Just as SGU is ruining the image of what true Science Fiction fans want to see in Sci-Fi entertainment.
@M, Brian
SGU is sci-fi just made out to be more realistic/dark/intelligent rather than using the same old formula that was used for the past 12+ years (happy/cheesy/all going to die and saved in the last 2 minutes). Character building is not a bad thing even in sci-fi, it will actually make a better show in the seasons to come.
@M, Brian
You are exactly right. I couldn’t agree more.
SGA won’t come back, but they should make the movie. Again, they just need to make sure that the writing is good. When SGA was at its best, whatever “formula” it was using worked pretty darn well. That goes for SG-1 too.
Let’s see if the SGU formula (depressing/shaky-cam/backstabbing/let’s have sex in someone else’s body/full of plot holes/predictable down to the last 2 minutes) will manage to last 12+ years.
I highly doubt it.
@james
I’m not kidding about SGA so please don’t laugh at me and respect what I love. I don’t try to convince you or defend SGA. They don’t need me coz they poroved they did great as you admitted too but I’m annoyed by people who don’t respect different opinions and bash on the others to demonstrate they are right as eddie did and you sometimes. As you did using repetitively the word like “cheesy” what is wrong IMO.
As Brian said the SGU writers are the same and producers too.
@Brian
If SGA was losing steam in the last two seasons it was because of the terrible writing, caused by the same writers now producing this stuff. The producers are the writers!
They lost their creativity and have tried to reinvent science fiction drama with creating a brooding soap opera in space.
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This is what SGU has done. It is not Sci-Fi, when the science is ridiculously bad, the stories are full of plot holes, and the character portrayal of professionals is no where near realistic.
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Just as SGU is ruining the image of what true Science Fiction fans want to see in Sci-Fi entertainment.
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Exept the fact I think the 2 last seasons were better and you’re going to like what I’m going to tell darker and more mature. Maybe producers introduced so many characters like keller changing too often the expedition leader AT the RP. In fact I think AT was a bad idea. Producers refused to develop the characters in deph. Too many characters is one of reproaches I make about SGU. And SGU lost humor team spirit actions meetings and above all likable characters and scifi aspect.
You could’nt change my mind about SGA/SG1 and SGU.
It’s painful to me seeing how SG turns. It’s not anymore an entertainement and scifi show.:(
They lost what made their success.
@Joe
I agree, it isn’t Sci-fi and James simply doesn’t get the analogy I made concerning the aspect of what is contained within a genre that makes it part of that Genre.
The Science fiction genre is not defined by it being in space, It must have credible science to be at least somewhat believable and SGU just is not. Just one example is the blue stones and how they use them, which are a complete joke and James thinks that is intelligent writing. The ship has no purpose, and neither do the characters, so who cares about them. There are no characters worthy of cheering for as the majority are scum and have no redeeming qualities. This is not reality except in some sick twisted worlds that obviously some live in.
The whole point of Science fiction is that it is supposed to cause a fan to dream of the weird and wonderful and imagine what it would be like to be there and desire to be there. This show does not create that feeling, it causes apathy, disgust and aversion in the fan, not what the Science Fiction genre is supposed to create.
This is the saddest part of SGU, as is pretends to be something it isn’t, and the SYFY channel exec’s don’t know what the fans want to see as entertainment in this genre. If there was anything else descent on for Science Fiction in competition this show would tank quickly.
SGU isn’t intelligent when it insults your intelligence by being full of plot holes, and predictable in the story telling. Plot holes only appear intelligent to those who aren’t, and simply can’t pick up on it. This is sad as it indicates that the writers of SGU are targeting fans of this category and are happy to do so.
One more thing, and I would hope those on here would realize it. SGA will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER come back and the movie if it is ever made and it is virtually impossible, would have to be made with different characters than who you came to identify with as Stargate Atlantis characters.
This is because the producers have a hate on for many of the main characters which is why they canceled it in the first place and why they have purposely excluded any of them and any mention of Atlantis in SGU. Of course every disagreement has two sides to it, but this one is cast in stone, so PLEASE PLEASE, forget the pleading or thinking you can force these producers to bring it back or create the movie. I share in your feelings of loss, but this is reality!
The pleading or ranting just isn’t going to have an effect on them because they have made it abundantly clear, “THEY DON”T CARE WHAT THE FANS THINK” This is the only aspect of the discussion over SGU that is definitely reality.
@M, Brian
On the SGU front you can hate it all you want the fact is the show is doing well and theres alot of people that love the show for its intelligent writing, complex characters and its realism. If you dont think so thats your opinion but I strongly disagree. Also saying that SGU is not sci-fi is just wrong… I don’t know what world you come from but the last time I checked ours doesn’t have a stargate, an very old ancient ship, aliens, etc. When was the last time you were 200 billion light years from earth? didn’t think so. Don’t like it don’t watch it’s that simple.
Rush: Misunderstood, Narcissistic, Visionary, Brilliant but since everyone else around him seems to have a problem keeping up, he does things without asking and without the benefit of a team giving all ideas. He is not a bad guy, just too focused on his own thoughts. In a word, dangerous.
Young: Not really a bad guy either. Also misunderstood, Focused on getting home to his wife and to do a little Telford Damage Control BUT Does not take too many suggestions from others. Should consider holding a staff meeting rather than pulling an idea out of his backside and keeping all results to himself. He is not sharing. I do like his relationship with Greer.
Greer: Misunderstood. Not a Psycho. Needs discipline. Profoundly loyal to Young. Which shows that Young is not entirely bad, if he could gain the trust and admiration of someone, who all others consider, unstable. I have met many a SGT and yes, most of them are Brazen, it is not because they are assholes, it is part of their job to be tough. When things get tough, they are the first stand to defend. In fact, Greer has offered to risk his life to save a lot of people, many of which could careless for him. I think Greer will become a very good character and will eventually get rid of the Psycho rep.
Wray: Needs to work. She COULD potentially be the glue to keep, Rush, Young and others together but so far, shows a lack in judgment, prejudice, which is surprising since she is Gay. Needs to show some restraint and force herself into more roles with Rush and Young. The three of them need to recognize that they are the lead and work together instead of trying to one up one another. By the way, I could care less she is Gay – the Episode Life – just plain sucked. It should be placed in the Hall of Shame or burned, never to be aired again. Who ever came up with this episode should be forced to watch it for 6 months straight to realize the error of their ways.
TJ: Quiet. I would like to see more strength. She needs a helper. She cannot do it all but Young is throwing a lot on her. She is not bitchy, she has shown to be respectful but is at times mousy. If she had someone help get her LAB going with the ancient devices, there is no telling how far she could go. That is where she belongs, in the LAB learning and becoming the Doctor, she was supposed to be before getting stranded on Destiny.
Brody: What does he do again? I would like to learn more about the sub characters. In fact, I would like to see some of the subs replace some of the main characters. Brody so far has seemed cool, willing to do whatever it takes, seems to have a good mind and seems to be fair ALTHOUGH I think he could easily be mislead into doing things that could hurt everyone. I really like his character and would love to see HIM develop more and others develop less.
Volkner (SP) Same as Brody – Good head on his shoulders, is easily intimidate though. He should have his own science team – I think if he had – he would probably be able to do more. LOVE HIS Humor on the KINO Episode. Down to earth. Brody and Volkner should be on more episodes.
Parks, the whole, I have sex to relieve stress then avoid the people I had sex with the next day – Come on!!! USe her for science and to fix destiny, I like her character but that nymphomaniac disorder that she has is just crap. Sex happens, just leave it the imagination – it seems like when you guys run out of lines or money, you do a slow scene with parks on a new bed partner. Even in the Kino webisodes, you have her doing it. Have you guys just given up writing? Is she just a girlfriend of one of the writers, who demanded a job? I think she has value but you guys are making her worthless.
Riley: Smart, dedicated, good soldier, normal person in an abnormal situation but holding it together, love that… Riley has a ton of value.
Franklin: Like the fact that Franklin is willing to try to get into shape – he needed it anyway and despite the fact that he was pushed way too hard, he still tried. LOVE T HAT DEDICATION. True, he was mislead by Rush. But the idea that he too was willing to risk his life to use the chair – if not for everyone, maybe he was just so stressed that he could not take it anymore. DON’T KILL HIM. He, Parks, Brody and Volkner make a very good team if they stay together.
James: Keep her, not because of the boobs but she genuinely seems to be a acting. Although she has not had a lot to say. I like her best in a full uniform, she seems like a soldier and seems like she is very capable of learning more about ship systems. In a way, I see her as being a female version of John Sheppard. That would be awesome.
Becker – Respectful – love his character. Even though he is on kitchen duty, he has shown more restraint, respect and sacrifice than others. He needs more time.
Inman??? Who in the heck is she? Why is it that we cannot hear about the 80 minus a few people who were on board? A page on the site would be useful so that we get an idea of who is who and who is left.
Andrea Palmer; Attractive, Scientist, saves the butts of nearly everyone on board in gettingthe scrubbers online – no thanks to Greer and Scott for going the extra mile. The three of them saved the ship – yet, Greer is called, Psycho, Scott is consider a player and Palmer has somehow been sucked out of an airlock because we do not see her anymore. I am sure she is somewhere on the ship.
The STONES! THANK GOD you are not going to use them as much on the up and coming episodes. If you use them, a military base would have you meet with your family AT A BASE! Not allow you to go clubbing. I would be pissed if I were say a recovering Alcoholic and someone went clubbing in my body and I had to wake up the next day a raging Alcoholic all over again due to the disregard for my body while someone else used it. This is not reality – this is someones fantasy of what reality is… Namely the writers of SGU
Come on guys… if you are out of ideas – ask the fans. You will see that they have A MILLION Ideas for the show. Do a few keyword analytics to find your issues and fix them.
Aliens are not as important as the discoveries that could be made on that ship. Spend more time on the ship. As every geek, every inventor, every ELI type person following your show and your ship will be built in no time.
Chloe:
She is pretty. No, she does not belong on the ship, that point was well written. So why they continue to spend so much time on her character, who offers nothing to anyone but Scott – is beyond me. How can she be a co-star of the show when she does nothing to contribute to anything than a Hummer for Scott which we all have to watch later when you have run out of material. The poor girl who plays her is probably just as mift as the rest of us. Give her a function or throw her with the rest of the unknown and under explored characters. Personally if she stayed on the show that would be fine but instead of giving her character all of the airtime you should boost someone else, Brody Volkner, Franklin, Lt, James, Becker any number of people would be better than listening to her cry, watching her throw up or whatever. The only useful thing she has contributed to he story is the video game idea, which brought in Eli – after that – she has offered NOTHING. She has got to be a relative of someone on the show in order to get some much endorsement. Wait- yes, she did have one scene in Justice. The writers really do not know what to do with her but keep writing her in like a hiccup. Give the time to someone else DUDE!
@ James
You don’t get it you never will, because you don’t understand what makes up a genre. You would think that a few colors on a canvas makes a great painting because they were the same colors used in an actual painting
I don’t watch by the way, haven’t for the last two episodes and don’t plan to every again, but I can and will express my opinion. All you seem to be continuing to do here is stifle opinions. By the way since you love it so much you should at least watch it with intelligence!
Which your own statement shows you don’t!
Tell me what episode they ever said they were 200 billion light years from earth. See you don’t even catch what is being said in the episodes, so why would anyone expect you to catch the plot holes and idiotic dialog.
Your the perfect example of who the producers are targeting.
@New2U
Good points, but they aren’t looking for advice from anyone because they think they already know what the fans want.
The only way this show will gain in acceptance is if they give in and begin to include what was successful in the past which is what true science fiction fans want to see!
Well as a person who used to fund a Stargate fan website. I would not give 20 cents to this dribble they call a show SGU is just rubbish. You’d have to be some form of emo to relate to the show in any shape or form.
@M, Brian
Actually that was a typo it was ment to be 2-3 billion light years. If you look up the definition of sci-fi you will clearly see that this show is in fact scifi.
@James
What you claim to be our opinions on many aspects, are not opinions, they are facts. You haven’t got a clue to what reality is, and you obviously do not live here with the rest of the world. SGU is not realistic; it’s an undeniable FACT! NOT AN OPINION! Every time you say SGU is realistic, I want to reach into the goddamn monitor…
I agree with M,Brian, you must be some form of emo. You probably think High School Musical is realistic too. I bet you have the haircut to prove it…
It’s fine to defend a show that you like, but show some intelligent thought behind your arguments. Provide some evidence, or something that can be verified. Do something more than, “uhuh, it’s real, I sware tiss!”
@BooRadley
You just proved how much of a child you really are. Its your opinion that its not realistic, in my opinion it is very realistic. It is a FACT that SGU is SCIFI tho.
I just happened to catch Atlantis on Syfy while channel flipping.
Now, there was some good sci-fi!
It made me miss Katie Brown. Too bad they couldn’t keep her with Rodney. He and she had much better chemistry and were way more believable as a couple than he and Keller. Katie had all of these little quirks that matched McKay’s. Oh well, it’s gone now…
@M,Brian
One more thing, and I would hope those on here would realize it. SGA will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER come back and the movie if it is ever made and it is virtually impossible, would have to be made with different characters than who you came to identify with as Stargate Atlantis characters.
This is because the producers have a hate on for many of the main characters which is why they canceled it in the first place and why they have purposely excluded any of them and any mention of Atlantis in SGU. Of course every disagreement has two sides to it, but this one is cast in stone, so PLEASE PLEASE, forget the pleading or thinking you can force these producers to bring it back or create the movie. I share in your feelings of loss, but this is reality!
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I think the opposite. It’s obvious there were some problems in SGA. the atmosphere on set was great but it would seem the relations between actors/crew and producers/writer became painful at the end. The producers/writers didn’t want to listen the actors’advice. This may have been one of element of cancelation decision but you use the “hate” word. In your opinion the producers hated their main cast. How could they drive to these bad feeling after 5 years of common work?
In adition if we don’t see any SGA actors in SGU it’s because the SGA cast said NO for good reasons. TPTB have just cancelled their show for SGU, rushing SGA to the end having rude behavior toward them, none gratitude toward them.
In addition according to dear JM all SGA characters were in SGA movie. Could you seriously imagine SGA movie if is ever made one day without any SGA cast members in it and with “characters than who you came to identify with as Stargate Atlantis characters.”. NO. Could you imagine SG1 movie without SG1 cast in it. NO
They will jeopardize the success of the movie. Atlantis is John Sheppard, Rodney Mackay, Teyla, Ronon…and many others.
So in your assumption, There would not SGA movie cos producers don’t want anymore to work with the SGA main cast so they will prefer not to produce and Kill off SGA.
Don’t forget Stargate franchise belongs to MGM so this decision belong to the studios.
No I will not stop to complain about this. the fault belong mainly to the producers.
It’s only the viewers who make characters so popular not TPTB so don’t how TPTB could replaced them even if these ones replaced SGA by SGU. But look at how SGU charecters are so likable. Many don’t remember their name and find them so poor.
One more thing, I’m convinced SGU is failing to be successful. If SGU has been renewed it’s only cos 2 years contract, the budget engaged and theri return in investment and the fact SYFY has nothing else on air since they cancelled BSG and SGA. This decision that was made is only to keep alive SG waiting for better days. If they had cancelled SGU they would have killed the franchise. So it’s not the rates that saved it.
@ Joe
You are right, I shouldn’t have used the word hate. But I do know the relationship is very very strained and it is equally very unlikely they will ever work together again with some of the actors. It’s too bad but these things happen over time as personalities conflict some times.
@ BooRadley
Can you believe the elementary school reply James gave you? This is like any 12 year old saying, My dad is smarter than your dad and I can prove it because I just said so!!
Notice he had no answer for where he got the 200 billion light years comment from which he used to justify how intelligent the Sci-fi is. I actually think James is some kid brother (or sister) of one of the actors and is trying hard to shut up any negative opinion about the show.
Well you can’t blame him for trying, but he certainly won’t convince anyone who actually watches the show from an intelligent standpoint that this is great Sci-Fi or intelligent writing.
By the way James just in case you haven’t been through grade ten science yet, astronomers have only measured the universe to roughly 14 billion light years so far, and in the show they said they were several billion light years from earth, not 200 billion. If you are going to defend something, make sure you form an intelligent argument.
But if you are related to someone in the show, and defending it for that reason, then I applaud you for your efforts. This show needs all the help it can get to survive through its second season if they don’t change their writing style.
LOL, “James” is obviously someone they hired to whitewash the massive bad spin SGU generated.
These whitewashers can’t use any logic, so they simply repeat this spin cycle:
1. Whitewasher claims people who doesn’t like SGU is SGA/SG1 cry babies.
2. People show up saying “not really”, they don’t want another SGA but SGU really sucks, because of many reasons.
3. Whitewasher changes the subject, claiming SGU is the realistic/logical version of SGA.
4. People laugh at that idiot, because the plot and characters in SGU simply doesn’t make sense.
5. Whitewasher changes the subject again, this time claiming SGU is targeting the new “Young and Hip” audience.
6. People laugh at him when SGU’s rating tanked.
7. Whitewasher blames it on Monk.
8. People reply saying Monk wasn’t even targeting the same “Young and Hip” audience.
9. Whitewasher say Live+7 ratings is still ok.
10. People reply saying because there’s just nothing else to watch at this time of the season, they watch SGU but they don’t really care about SGU anymore, and won’t watch anymore next year in April when other shows are on.
Then what happens the next day? Whitewasher repeat the whole cycle from #1 again.
People like James/Robert tried to make it sound like it’s the people’s fault for keep saying the show sucks. But really it’s just too many different people who found SGU pathetic. It’s the whitewasher who’s really repeating the same shit with no logic.
Hmmm rush is the castaway’s only hope of getting home. Gee! and everyone said SGA was the Rodney Mckay show. I guess SGU is the Nicholas Rush show? I’m sure the SGC just hired the other Scientist’s and mechanical engineers cause they had to abide by equal opportunity laws. You people crack me up with Rush this and Rush that.Umm he know’s Ancient alittle better than the other scientists , but he’s not ” The God of Science ” Plus have ya’ll even been watching the show? Ummm the last thing Rush want’s to do is go home , he’s blocked their chances of ever doing so at every turn. Wake up people and smell the coffee.
@M, Brian
If you noticed I said it was a typo and it was ment to be 2-3 billion.
@Spaceman13
Well if the ratings of SGU tanked soooo bad they why did they get a second season hmmmmmmm. Could its be that there is actually fans of the show and they enjoy it. The ratings pretty much have stayed the same from the premiere and dropped only about 300-400K (with SD + 7L). which is pretty amazing for any show. What are you going to say when it gets renewed for its 5th season? that is still sucks? you guys make me laugh.
@James
SGU got a second season because it was originally signed up for two. It’s not like they went, oh look it did so great this season we’ll sign it up for a second season. More likely they’ll look at how bad it did this season and decide to cancel the second season.
Even if they don’t cancel the second season it won’t change the fact that this show is complete and utter drivel, and doesn’t deserve to have Stargate in it’s name.
@spacemane13
Good and funny post but so true.
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LOL, “James” is obviously someone they hired to whitewash the massive bad spin SGU generated.
These whitewashers can’t use any logic, so they simply repeat this spin cycle:
1. Whitewasher claims people who doesn’t like SGU is SGA/SG1 cry babies.
2. People show up saying “not really”, they don’t want another SGA but SGU really sucks, because of many reasons.
3. Whitewasher changes the subject, claiming SGU is the realistic/logical version of SGA.
4. People laugh at that idiot, because the plot and characters in SGU simply doesn’t make sense.
5. Whitewasher changes the subject again, this time claiming SGU is targeting the new “Young and Hip” audience.
6. People laugh at him when SGU’s rating tanked.
7. Whitewasher blames it on Monk.
8. People reply saying Monk wasn’t even targeting the same “Young and Hip” audience.
9. Whitewasher say Live+7 ratings is still ok.
10. People reply saying because there’s just nothing else to watch at this time of the season, they watch SGU but they don’t really care about SGU anymore, and won’t watch anymore next year in April when other shows are on.
Then what happens the next day? Whitewasher repeat the whole cycle from #1 again.
People like James/Robert tried to make it sound like it’s the people’s fault for keep saying the show sucks. But really it’s just too many different people who found SGU pathetic. It’s the whitewasher who’s really repeating the same shit with no logic.
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@James
Well if the ratings of SGU tanked soooo bad they why did they get a second season hmmmmmmm. Could its be that there is actually fans of the show and they enjoy it. The ratings pretty much have stayed the same from the premiere and dropped only about 300-400K (with SD + 7L). which is pretty amazing for any show. What are you going to say when it gets renewed for its 5th season? that is still sucks? you guys make me laugh.
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Here my post that answered you on other thread. I give you the real reasons of the renewal.
You don’t seem to represent the majority here. About the numbers: Look at the rates. SGU lost 1,003000
viewers since the premiere mean 47%. There are some reasons for a such result. Read the comments with open mind. You like it well good for you but don’t ignore the true reasons of its renewal. it’s not its qualities. It’s only coz BW got 2 years contract for SGU( MGM gave 2 choices SGA with SGU alongside one years or 2 years of SGU) So there will be 2 years but I’m afraid of it will be the 2 only ones. Syfy had nothing else on air and TPTB( MGMn Syfy) want their return in investment after the big budget engaged to produce and promote it for a result similar to 5th SGA season. Not very great in fact. In addition, if TPTB had canceled SGU now this would have meant too the SG Franchise death and this TPTB couldn’t accept this. Plus cancelation would have been to admit they were wrong since the beginning.
I can respect you like it but it’s not neither stargate show nor scifi too. You must respect those who don’t like it with some reasons.
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The only numbers you accept are the DVR+7 that are in fact similar to the SGA numbers in live in its first season. Once again not so great. SGU is not the great show you would like it is. Its chance is the only show on air without any concurrence coz Syfy canceled BSG and SGA.
@Mark, JoeSheppard
Well you say they lost 1million viewers live with is not correct even with Live + SD. The difference between Ep 1 and Ep 9 is only about 500K. I attribute the low ranking on Justice to the Monk Series Finale and those viewers who watched Monk watch the encore at 11pm which got .7m viewers. I use the DVR+7 numbers because I know myself I dont watch shows when they are on I wait until I have time out of my day to watch them. Networks are beginning to see this and taking them more into consideration when renewing shows. Now SGU’s numbers aren’t excellent but they arn’t bad either and should last 4-5 seasons. Like I said in the other post SGU is SyFy’s 2nd best show behind Ghost Hunters even without the 2 year contract it would have easily been renewed.
@spaceman13
Re: #2 on your list
Yeah, I don’t want “another SGA”. I just want the one that I had.
Fat chance they’ll bring it back though.
@Robert
I see you are removing posts now. I will repeat that I think James is fitting in nicely with the spin cycle spaceman13 described.
@James
Well you say they lost 1million viewers live with is not correct even with Live + SD. The difference between Ep 1 and Ep 9 is only about 500K. I attribute the low ranking on Justice to the Monk Series Finale and those viewers who watched Monk watch the encore at 11pm which got .7m viewers. I use the DVR+7 numbers because I know myself I dont watch shows when they are on I wait until I have time out of my day to watch them. Networks are beginning to see this and taking them more into consideration when renewing shows. Now SGU’s numbers aren’t excellent but they arn’t bad either and should last 4-5 seasons. Like I said in the other post SGU is SyFy’s 2nd best show behind Ghost Hunters even without the 2 year contract it would have easily been renewed.
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I don’t know if I’d really like 4 or 5 SGU seasons coz IMO it’s just a so bad show that is killing the Franchise and all scifi idea. I really hope they bring another series to replace it and it would be the reason they save time to do this. I only hope TPTB will not treat their cast as they did with SGA’. I’ve no hope in the way they consider their viewers. They don’t care of us.
It’s renewed big deal coz he is behind “ghost hunter” but this change nothing about the fact it doesn’t belong to the top of the Syfy channel’s shows. At the moment there are no good scifi show on syfy. They do good face to average show not good or great show.
In addition you said he does less cos Monk finale when SGA lost a little viewers when it was programming face presidential debate. So monk did better than these debates. This prove only thing viewers can easily switch SGU when it was not really the case for SGA.
In addition, When I love a show I watch it ASAP. If I don’t care I record or don’t watch at all. even if I record it I forget to watch.
@James
So, you look at the DVR+7 on SGU during Monk finale. Is it not unreasonable to assume there are DVR+7 for Monk finale as well? So, regardless of how you look at it, SGU with DVR+7, and Monk with DVR+7, SGU still got low balled hardcore on the viewership. Plus, 0.7 live viewership for the encore of Monk? That is MORE than half of what SGU brought in on it’s first showing. What were the numbers for the encore showing of SGU? You didn’t provide that bit of information; it was conveniently left out.
You still fail to bring a logical argument as to why SGU is a great show.
You still fail to bring in the proper evidence to support your claims.
You still provide one sided views instead of looking at everything as a whole.
You still cannot understand the the 2 year contract, let alone research why people keep bringing it up whenever you say, “if it’s so bad, why was it renewed for a second season? Nana Nana boo boo…”
Here’s some Stargate for you, make ya famous!
Scene – Rodney McKay’s lab on Atlantis – Night
(Looking through a microscope)
Rodney: Hey, Sheppard, come an have a look at this.
(Sheppard, now looking through the microscope)
Sheppard: Is that the sample from James’ blood we found outside the gate room?
Rodney: Emmhmm.
Sheppard: Rodney…Are those what I think they are?…
(Quick to reply with sarcasm)
Rodney: As far as I can tell, but don’t ask me how. I’ve been trying to come up with a rational explanation the entire 30seconds I’ve been standing here.
(Sheppard, no longer looking through the microscope, but instead now looking at Rodney worried)
Sheppard: Well are they dangerous?
Rodney: Na’emmm. Have another look.
(Sheppard looks through the microscope again)
Rodney: See, they’re all just sort of spinning in circles not doing anything.
(Rambling)
Rodney: I call it…Jamesing…Little something I coined…
(Rodney smiles with pride)
Sheppard: What happens when they stop spinning?
(Again, quick to answer with sarcasm)
Rodney: I DON”T know, let me ask God. Hmmm, God just told me, “The same thing they try to do every night…Try to take over the world.”
(Sheppard, with a smirk on his face)
Sheppard: O that’s cute Rodney.
(Rodney smiles)
Rodney: You like that? Was watching a ‘Pinky & The Brain’ DVD set with Ronon last night.
Sheppard: And I wasn’t invited?…
Rodney: You don’t like popcorn…
(Sheppard shrugs his shoulders in agreement)
Rodney: Look, as soon as they…Stop…Jamesing around I–
(Sheppard cutting him off)
Sheppard: You’ll give me a call. Got it…
(Sheppard walking off)
Sheppard: And next time I want an invite…
(Rodney smiles and goes back to looking through the microscope.)
@Boo
Its was .7m for the SGU Enocore not the Monk encore
This show is full of characters I’ve wanted to die for a long time.
Like everybody else I wanted to love this series, but it seems more like a cheap grasp at what Battlestar had but without the balls to take it to the wall or the passion to make it feel real.
I feel sorry for what Carlyle has to work with, both in the script and the sub-par performances from the under 30 cast (except Jamil Walker Smith and Alaina Huffman who are great).
That said, the ending perked me up, I will watch the 2nd half of the season, and I hope Rush comes back and blows them all up.
There are a lot–a great many–a plethora, a swelling cornucopia, a gigantic overreach, a huge tidal wave of SciFi concepts out there ready to be plucked, picked, harvested, pulled in and turned into television. There are great alternate-universe writers (Birmingham, Sterling, Turtledove) great techno-writers (Richard Morgan, Robert Sawyer) and plenty of deep-think SciFi writers for the 1920s that can be harvested (Stapledon, for one) and if they want some deep drama there is always Earth Abides by Stewart or how about the stories by Lloyd Biggle and dozens of others waiting to be picked up for nothing.
Unfortunately, the current crop of producers and writers for SGU don’t seem to read, much less be capable of writing. They’ve lost it. Nevertheless, do not under-estimate the power of vanity. These guys (yes, they are mostly guys) go out to lunch together and make nice and convince each other they have the latest greatest derivative piece of junk that will make them millions and the crowds will just lap it up and blam! They deliver a stinker like SGU. The only really worthwhile question is whether they will do like the New York bankers and actually get away with it.
Hopefully they have a few nickels of their own invested in this catastrophe, but probably not. They just squandered their investor’s money on their own over-inflated self-confidence and erstwhile conviction that the public will eat up the nux vomicus they dictated in the fifteen minutes between the soak in their hot tub and the second bloody mary of their Sunday morning.
This series was a failure from the first treatment, but no one was brave enough to take responsibility for it. If they were in LA they’d never work in this town again.
But, they aren’t in LA, are they? For them it’s Vancouver. It isn’t a script they are selling, it’s a tax credit, a low Canadian dollar, and a non-union workforce. Unfortunately, not even those perks can turn a sow’s ear into a silk purse full of silver shekels.
RobW, it may be the tax credit. There’s only a 5 or 6% US dollar/Canadian dollar exchange rate now. Nothing too enticing for US productions.
There is a good idea in SGU – somewhere. It’s just clearing out the junk. Maybe.
Here’s a recent and direct quote from (SGU Producer) Joseph Mallozzi:
“…I’m looking to catch the Survivor season finale tonight. He [Russell] was annoying in the beginning but I now have a grudging respect for the guy. I’d vote for him. But, then again, I like villains. If Brett makes it to finale, he wins. If any of the other two besides Russell, they win. Alas, I don’t think Russell is all that popular.”
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Now, with food: You are what you eat.
And, with writing: You write what you see/experience.
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I knew they were probably getting some of their script ideas from Survivor!!
I have nothing against Survivor, but judging from what SGU’s producers have had to say, SGU is likely going to continue on with its Reality TV and Soap Opera writing.
“The Tribe Has Spoken.”
Morena, some writers (myself included) write about what interests them, or try to work on questions they’d like to explore. It’s not always what you know. That’s boring.
My point is that what a person experiences affects “how” they write. There are many examples of this. Another observation is that if Reality TV and villains are what currently interest the producers/writers, then this is what we have to look forward to in characters that have no real redeeming qualities, and poorly written survivor-like plot-lines.
That is boring. So, I agree with you.
@Morena
Thats you opinion, I just finished re-watching the first 10 SGU episodes and its far from boring. Unlike you i think SGU is very well written, has great acting, excellent music, and the best visual effects I have seen in a series. For all those ppl who haven’t watched SGU in HD then your really missing out. For me the only writing that didn’t fit was the dialog in water between Young and Scott it felt forced and repetitve. Other then that small piece its all been bang on. I’m really excited to see what jospesh as in store for us in “Space” I have always enjoyed his episodes.
@James
We all understand, and will expect, that you will continue to like SGU, no matter what.
And, I think that if Syfy felt as strongly about the first 10 episodes of SGU as you do, then they wouldn’t have cancelled the marathon they had scheduled for Christmas day.
Joeseph has written some alright episodes and some not-so-alright episodes. Looking at his current trend in interests, I’m going to go with “Space” being in the latter catagory.