The Deep End, That’s LAME too Lame. LameLame. Even Hank Premiered with 8 million. HILARIOUS.

I watched Burn Notice — last season’s finale at 9 p.m., the new season premiere at 10 p.m. — which I strongly prefer over anything that broadcast TV had to offer last night (or most any night).

I tried to watch the screener of The Deep End a few weeks ago but bailed after 5 minutes — thinking that not only was it just not for me, but that on top of that it was actually awful.

Still, I didn’t think the ratings would be that bad.

Is that good for Fringe? Seems so to me based on the competition but I can’t remember what it usually gets.

CBS was THIRD .. wow

The Deep End wow…and I thought that Flashforward got bad ratings in that slot.

Those numbers for The Deep End are nasty. Ouch.

Yes, yes, yes, the Bones fandome is celebrating today!!

WOW, after all the promotion ABC did for it, thats horrible for the Deep End!

Private Practice is such a bad show it almost makes the acting on Brothers & Sisters seem Oscar-worthy

Wow at Bones but I saw it coming when FlashForward started to bleed viewers and without Survivor on, very impressive. FOX must be very happy, Fringe was also decent and it was up against new episodes of CSI, Grey’s and The Office.

Wow @ The Big Bang Theory repeats beat NBC sitcoms and Deep End, not totally surprising though.

CW shows did solid although I was hoping higher rating for Vampire Diaries (like close to 2.0 it achieved before last year)

For a second week in a row, what a low rated Thursday with almost all new episodes airing this time, quite sad to see a dip in viewership in general

Vetinari, that’s good for a Fringe on Thursdays, but Bones had a good night too. FOX is to be commended for making a decent night out of Thursdays with scripted content.

Well done Bones!! Happy Fringe isnt sinking any more, it’s holding on to high 2s . wish it would go to 3 and stay there!

What in the world happened last night to keep NBC and ABC even farther down that normal?

In fact the only show that did well last night (in comparison to it’s normal results) was Bones. Everything else was worse than last week.

Nice to Fringe.. increase vs last week in viewers and stayed with same numbers at 18-49

So I guess 8pm has replaced 10pm as ABC’s Thursday night trouble spot.

Wait, why the heck is everything down?

Well, besides Bones & VD. But at 9 all 3 major shows look way too low for comfort.

The Deep End did a terrible performance… Only 1.8??? That’s the rating of The Vampire Dairies when it began… Sad… Will The Deep End rise? Hope so. I love Legal Drama.

The Deep End was almost beaten by The CW. That’s just awful.

I should’ve taken that bet that The Deep End wouldn’t be over 2.6.

When I first heard of The Deep End I was going to watch it, since Tina Majorino is on the show. But the previews looked so terrible that there was no way I was going to bother. I imagine lots of other people felt the same way (about the previews)

the deep end. bad start!
greys: getting old
csi: already old
frinfe: so screwed!
bones: is reaching House numbers!
supernatural: still rocks!
the vampire diaries: twilight didn’t help the rating
community & parks: hey.. they are on NBC!

Dang it! about a month ago when my girlfriend showed me http://www.wordle.net, one of the first sites i did was tvbythenumbers… and i thought maybe i should post it on some thread about some show..

and now you use it.

point is… i gave you the idea.
somehow.
with brainwaves.

CBS and ABC are definitely not happy this morning…ouch.

Fox on the other hand, has to be jumping up and down with glee. Were there any major preemptions that would lower those numbers?

I tune into Bones for the first time—mainly for the JFK assassination plotline I seen in the commercial during nfl playoff game and wow was that a snoozefest zzzz…zzzz. This and no new Survivor probably contributed for it season-high.

What the heck happen at 9:00? Everything seems to be down. Horrible numbers for CSI and 30 Rock.

Fringe fans have to be very happy with the show’s performance in 2010 so far. Basically the same result as last Thursday, but this week it was up against The Office. Renewal doesn’t seem as unlikely if it can hold a 2.6 against The Office.

See ya The Deep End, you had a nice run!

wow at bones thats the best thursday numbers it has ever had!!!!

Some credit for Fox’s success with scripted tv should go to Kevin Reilly, he fought for The Office on NBC when he was in charge there, and greenlighted Chuck, both two of NBCs most successful shows now. And now he’s working his magic at Fox. Zucker fired him, which is about par for NBC.

I think the thing with Greys is a lot of people dont like the storylines on the show right now which is why people are tuning out.

Those are some seriously ugly numbers for Deep End. With those kind of numbers, would ABC yank the show before the end of the season?

On another front, what’s happening with Grey’s? Why would it be declining in January?

And, of course, yay for Bones! I know the show is renewed for another season, but it’s never too early to start worrying about 2011-2012.

The Office number was weak, but it was a clip show after all.

The might CSI is falling. Goes to show you how big Grey’s is though when a 4.6 is a series low.

Bones keeps looking stronger, it’s becoming a really impressive performer.

The Deep End has six episodes only, I wonder if ABC would air all those episodes with a 1.8 premiere, it will just go downhill. I won’t be surprised if they will can this after next week’s ratings. Too bad I like the cast of this show, haven’t seen an episode but all the ratings I’ve read say this show was blah.

Bones would pose threat to Survivor when it returns but I think Survivor will still win since the upcoming season is exciting with another All Star Edition but it will be a solid second

What a low rating for CSI, just 3.1, sad to see a show that pulled 9.0s before go down like this.

How many episodes for The Deep End..one/two/three…the rest if the order? When does FF come back, end of March right?

“Those are some seriously ugly numbers for Deep End. With those kind of numbers, would ABC yank the show before the end of the season?”

There’s only 6-7 episodes of The Deep End (can’t remember), and two of them are running during the Olympics. It’s just space filler until FlashForward returns.

It’s clear The Deep End is just burn-off to begin with. ABC didn’t seem to have any faith in it from the start. Which, based on what I’ve seen of the show, is justified.

CSI has really fallen and it doesn’t that its sister shows are doing better demo wise, I think amove to 10pm is looking likely but I can’t see it happening just yet.

I wonder if Burn Notice had an impact on Mentalist and Private Practice? Not to mention Jersey Shore.

Wow, where was everybody last night? Not watching network TV, for the most part. Even shows like The Mentalist were not up to their usual strong numbers. Too bad Community didn’t get more viewers; it was a good episode. The Office was a clip show, so that could have affected its ratings. I was tempted to bail half-way through myself, but I realized the clips were pretty good and they just reminded how much better the show used to be a couple years ago.

I wish Community and 30 Rock’s brilliance showed with their ratings number. Both shows are hands down more clever, creative, intelligent, and humorous than the Office, but the Office continues to pummel them in ratings. I don’t get it.

I sure hope Community gets renewed though.

In fairness to Grey’s Anatomy, the rating is indeed lower than usual but everything else except FOX is down and it’s the only show to manage a 4.0+ demo, the #1 show with a wide margin

Grey’s has been like a yo-yo this season. Good one week, awful the nexst. Last night was better but the show needs consistently good writing and hasn’t had it in a long time. Even if I was home at night, it’s no longer appointment viewing for me (and that says something since I’ve watched from the very beginning).

Interested to know how many people watched Burn Notice last night at 10pm. Was the Mentalist a repeat? And I can’t believe 10 million people are still tuning into Private Practice…

Greys was really bad last night! It’s getting worse by the week! I watched the Deep End and it was ok but a 1.8? I dont think it’ll be sticking around for too long then!

Good night for the CW, 1.3 for Supernatural is probably the best they’ve had all season?! It was a good episode too!

The Mentalist might have had a series low demo but they still have almost 15 million viewers. Nothing to sneeze at.

as a long time greys anatomy fan, i can definitley say the show is getting old. its the same stuff just with a ew different people here or there. if im abc im looking to end it on a high note, and announce season 7 as its final season.

Very impressed with the ratings for both Community and Parks and Recreation. I feel that those 2 comidies put up strong numbers for a NBC comedy.

Not sure what happened to CSI last night, however the show in my opinoin will rebound and pull off a strong rating next week.

Like why is FOX doing good like every night? Cant they have 1 bad night??!! ABC may give The Deep End one last try to see if it can do better. If it cant, then ABC will pull it from schedule and just air Greys repeats.

It probably doesn’t make much of a difference, but I noticed on my Comcast onscreen tv guide that it showed The Deep End airing at 9pm (I live in the mountain time zone) and “TBA” in the 7-9pm slots. I had no interest in checking out The Deep End, and wasn’t home anyway, so I don’t know what ended up airing when, but if I had wanted to watch, and it did air at 7pm, like it was supposed to, then my DVR certainly wouldn’t have caught it and I would have also missed it if I had been trying to watch live.

rob, Fox has one weak night, and it has been for several years, whic is Friday.

but then again, when a 4.6 is a series low, theres no reason to think greys is still a huge ratings jaugernaught. so who knows how long it will go, however, unlike last season, i do smell an ending in its future, as in season 7 or possibly season 8.

@ Dude

ABC can’t afford to “end on a high note.” Any show that pulls Grey size numbers, where the season low is a 4.6, can expect to be sucked dry for as many seasons as the numbers are above 3.0. The only network that can afford to dump a 3.0 show is CBS.

Absent fit of insanity, expect to see the Seattle Grace residents all the way into their first malpractice suit as attendings.

i think survivor is propping up the cbs crime shows on thursdays, csi is in dire need of a new slot or a better lead in, maybe cbs should find something better than repeats for the 8pm slot while survivor is off the air

Wow, The Deep Ends #s are sad, and next week will likely be worse with both Grey’s and PP in repeats. Looks like another series that will bite the dust, at least ABC was smart enough to only order 7 episodes of that.

Calling this week’s Office the first new show of the year is a bit misleading. It was a clip show. Didn’t we stop doing those cheap paste-ups in the 80′s???

I’m not convinced Fringe’s numbers are entirely their own; that clip show 3.7 is the lowest of the season, I believe, and the .5 gap between that 3.7 and their average would explain all of the Fringe bump.

If Fringe stays that high vs. a new, real episode of The Office, then we’re talking.

Fox should be pretty happy for the results they received for Thursday Night.. Bones in particular with the ratings they received.. I don’t follow fringe but I believe they are up compared to the season as well.

ABC shows seems to be not doing as good as the once dominating Thursday line up seemed to take a dip in ratings.

The CW I thought would have been a little bit stronger.. I honestly thought there was a possiblity that Vampire Diaries would hit 4.0 and Supernatural would hit 3.0 even though I don’t think that has happened since the season premiere.. I thought this due to both shows winning Peoples Choice Awards snd SN going into syndication as well.

CBS: sure they are getting the ratings, but so far the only thing I positive I see for this Thursday Night lineup is The Mentalist.

NBC: Thursdays used to be the NIGHT no one could touch.. NBC was the king,(Seinfeld, Friends, Will and Grace, Newsradio, ER atleast back in the 90′s and early 2000′s) now Thursdays are Critically acclaimed shows… It seems it has been up and down all year long with the 9:00 hour being more solid than what is offered at 8:00.. Not looking to good for NBC in my eyes and doesn’t look to be getting any better..

Crimson V is right, ABC will be sticking with Grey’s until the producers pull the plug, or the ratings fall below 3.0, and more likely below 2.6

to the person who said bones was a snoozefest: i love the show, and i thought last night’s episode was particularly good. and i think the reason i thought that is that i’ve been following it for years. it seemed heavy on character and not heavy on plot or mystery. in fact, i’m wondering why the writers chose to do that episode. but i loved the premise (the jfk thing was a little gimmicky) of the characters being stuck in the lab, which they haven’t done in a while. in contrast to your reaction, i think last night’s episode was my favorite of the season.

I know Vampire Diaries has hit 4 million since the season premiere but has supernatural eclipsed 3 mil since its premiere?

Wow! Go Bones!

Fans are not happy about the office clip show…lame!

RJ,

The problem with PP’s acting is that they give to much time to the very bad actors, Strickland, Adelstein, Daly & the guy that plays doc on wheels. And not enough to those that competent (Diggs & Lowell) or great (Walsh & McDonald). Amy Brennemman can act, but that horrid plastic surgery she did during the summer has her irreparably impaired.

That said I love that without the crossover GA sunk to series low, but PP didn’t.

Who would have ever believed that PP would do better than CSI without a crossover event?

The sad thing about Deep End is that it was developed over the course of two years with two different pilots being shot. That’s a lot of time, money and effort for a big bomb.

Thanks everyone for the heads up that The Office was a clip show. Have edited it into the post.

chris, since average viewership is meaningless, I don’t track it, but am certain the upcoming CW press release for last nights numbers will mention it.

It will be interesting to see how Burn Notice compares to the big 4 during the 10PM time slot. I think it will come in 3rd, perhaps 2nd. Too bad their numbers aren’t available as quickly as the others are.

It’s time the networks started wising up to why a lot of people have stopped watching. I love The Mentalist (and some of the other shows) but I just cant watch network TV anymore, because it really irks me that they don’t start on the hour, or half hour etc, and the sheer number of advert breaks and length of advert breaks dives me INSANE!

Wow for Bones, 3.5 is quite impressive, Fringe started 2010 on a hight note, seems like the monday special episode did help the show get new people, or at least get the old one to come back, 2.8, 2.6, 2.6 is better than the 2.2 it use to get.

VD well the CW got what it deserved for being so long in holidays. I Dawn needed a break. Supernatural a good numbers, lets how Smallville does today

Vampire Diaries is still strong for the CW and I think it will go up next week.

What the hell is going on with Mentalist. A 3.1? I hope Mentalist isn’t in any trouble. Dammit NCIS:LA for taking a worthy show’s spot.

just a random fact i noticed the premiere of the deep end got 7+million people with only a 1.8 share. Heroes just got a 1.8 but only had 3.98million people.weirdd

The Deep End’s advertising was terrible. The best appeal they seemed to be tossing out was that two female interns change shirts in the office? Woooo. Yeah, let me at that.

*mumble*

Give us something GOOD to watch, ABC! There’s a very good reason all (well, ALMOST all) your new series keep failing. And this one didn’t even START strong like the others. The people are speaking…stop feeding us crap!

Mark my words, Bones is becoming the next NCIS.

Even though those heavyweight shows hit series lows last night, none are even remotely in trouble of being canceled, of course. However, those ratings declines, during what should be a relatively highly watched period of the season, have to worry the networks.

ABC should have stuck with FF this winter and waited until spring to premeire “Deep Doodoo”. Did they actually think Greys in a law firm would work? This lame ripoff had no shot with a later launch either, but at least if they had waited till spring, FF would have had a chance. With such a long break, I’d be shocked if FF returns above a 2.0. Serves ABC right for making a dumb programming decision!

30 Rock is totally timeslot dependent. That show’s ratings would be right there with Community (i.e. cancellation territory) if the network didn’t baby Tina Fey and Lorne Michaels so much.

I love it…..CSI hit a low….bout time since the show is nothing but garbage now anyway.

WTG Bones & Fringe!!!

“just a random fact i noticed the premiere of the deep end got 7+million people with only a 1.8 share. Heroes just got a 1.8 but only had 3.98million people.weirdd”

Deep End is about lawyers I think? So obviously older skewing than Heroes. Even if ABC had a tiny bit of faith in it and it wasn’t just a filler, it doesn’t fit with GA and PP.

I did record it last night though, I’ll only watch it because there’s nothing on tonight.

If “Bones” keeps this numbers Booth and Brennan’s relationship will remain platonic forever.. *sighs*

I’m happy though, I love the show!!!

I’m so happy that nearly all the shows that I’m rooting to fail got bad ratings last night, or at the very least, are decreasing in the ratings.

I flipped over to the Deep End for a few minutes and I witnessed the new associate whining to his boss about the case he was given. I need to take cases for free because no one’s hiring attorneys in this economy and that whiny little bitch is complaining about the case he gets? I felt like screaming “Fire him and hire me!” Yes, I’m aware that this show is fiction and I can’t be hired by a fictional law firm. But, anyway, the tone reminded me of that retarded Eli Stone show. I don’t understand why ABC has to make all this whimsical, light shows. Can’t they ever make anything serious anymore? I hope this show gets canceled quickly.

Always good to see CSI down. Hopefully, it will go down below 3.0 by the end of the season.

I gave up on The Mentalist. They teased us with Rigsby and Van Pelt flirting for over a year and then they finally hook up and we don’t even get a sex scene? Who do they think they are jerking the viewers around like that? I hope it’s ratings continue to go down.

I’m very pleased with this ratings report.

Even the promos for The Deep End were awful. If the best thing the voice over guy can say about the show is “From the network that brought you Grey’s Anatomy and Desperate Housewives” you know it’s not going to be very good. And if they wanted to do “Grey’s in a law firm” they should have at least had Shonda Rhimes write it.

The Deep End performing bad increases Castles chances of getting renewed!

Fringe is doing well against heavy competition. Bones is doing really well against weak competition. I wonder what would happen ratings-wise if Fox put Fringe at 8:00pm and Bones at 9:00pm.

Chris

VD did tie its season low in adults 18-49.

Viewer wise its season average is 3.935 (with 7 of its 11 episode scoring more viewers, its had 4 episodes over 4 million viewers).

SN

Viewer wise its season average is 2.725 (with only one episode over 3 million) only two episodes scored higher viewer totals. In adults 18-49 only two episodes scored higher, and one tied at 1.3.

Very curious to see adults 18-34 and any women 18-34 details.

Holy crap. ABC promoted Deep End up the @#$. I was not expecting it to premiere so low.

I guess I’m going to delete The Deep End from my DVR, because it’s not going to be on long. Ouch!

Just added to the post:

Edit: In the CW target demo, Vampire Diaries scored a 2.5 rating for women 18-34, tied for second in the timeslot. Supernatural had a 1.5 rating for women 18-34, well back in fifth among English broadcast. I will let the CW crack PR team provide the other comparisons in its press release.

Josh Emerson, I agree with you on the previews about The Deep End. It seemed to be about a bunch of elitist Ivy Leaguers complaining about their high paying jobs. There’s a 68% unemployment rate among attorneys and ABC thought it was a good idea to put on a show about a bunch of attorneys whining about their jobs? I mean, are they not aware that we’re in a recession?

MichyGeary, I thought the same thing, with all the promos they ran I expected it to premiere around 3.0 or so.

I haven’t watched the past few Grey’s… but I’m pretty sure I read something about all the new doctors being a way to prep the show to continue on without Meredith Grey… They want it to be like an “ER” type revolving cast, I thought?

I watched Burn Notice last night, i would also be interested in the numbers… so glad it’s back. “MY NAME IS MICHAEL WESTON!” I was shouting that around the house last night .

When I read the latest Supernatural episode was going to be set in a mental hospital, I didn’t really want to watch it (like a hospital drama, it irks me to see people suffering- even if it is just in the background!) but since I missed the show, I watched it anyhow. I should have had faith in the writers, they just keep delivering- I loved the way Sam and Dean’s buried psychological issues started surfacing around the chasing-a-monster storyline… I so hope the series signs on for another year!

Even though I will admit that 30 Rock is to a degree timeslot-dependent, whatever, it gets awards out the wazoo. And shows that do decently thanks to lead-ins are still doing decently.

@ Charles

While I don’t feel quite so much venom toward 30 Rock, it does seem that show is completely dependent on an Office lead-in. A .5 spike is not coincidence. The show clearly cannot carry an audience on its own. I’m guessing those two shows stay locked together as long as they’re both around.

Master Moron why do you wish shows to fail? Isn’t it enough to hope your favorites do well? As for The Mentalist Rigsby and Van Pelt DID have a scene but it was somewhat brief; that’s clearly not the direction this show is headed.

LOL @ Community and Parks & Rec.

Part of the credit for last night’s numbers goes to the FOX schedule as a whole.

Because of the limited number of programs available to promote this week, BONES and FRINGE got a strong presence in the NFL playoff games.

Sunday – HUMAN TARGET and two hours of 24

Monday – 2 more hours of 24, which could not be promoted until after the Sunday episode.

Tuesday – IDOL & and encore of Sunday’s HUMAN TARGET – couldn’t run spots for the encore until after the first run had aired.

Wednesday – more IDOL and another HUMAN TARGET – couldn’t promote IDOL until after Tuesday’s airing & couldn’t promote TARGET much until after the encore

Thursday – BONES & FRINGE

What would your top 5 priorities have been?

24, TARGET, IDOL, BONES & FRINGE

Crying shame that BBT repeats do better than Community and Parks Rec.

Conan O’Brien (2.6 rating in 18-49 in local people meters) and where is the separate post for that???

That might end up being the lowest w 18-34 that VD has gotten this season.

2.6 was it’s previous low.

Wow so loving those bones numbers. It has been so good for the show to be on thursday all year, not having it moved around.

i hope the final numbers are 3.6 as i tend t think anything over 3.5 is a hit.

so happy woop!

How is Jimmy Fallon tied with the Late Late Show when he got a 1.0 and late late got a 0.5?

I actually liked The Deep End, but then again I am 24 and can relate with the main characters- Thought the fact that it isn’t a so serious law show is a + , i don’t watch any other law shows- The thing is , it will be hard to get my demographic to watch it – But if it sticks around and there is room for improvement, i think there is a chance for significant ratings increase- I know it isn’t the best show, but there is hope and potential- I think with a little guidance it can be great-

That lead new guy was from Jake and Bobby and Ghost Rider(he was Nicolas cage when he was young)

Oh by the way, on my way into work at NBC – The lines for Conan were completely full this was at 9 am- They don’t start loading until 4pm and my friends told me people had tents and were here since 11pm last night!

Dario, the separate post for Conan was posted very early today and it has been highlighted at the top center of our home page since then.

@ Corey

I don’t even dislike 30 Rock (at least I watched the first three seasons and enjoyed them). This fourth season is horrific, but I am just calling a spade a spade. You remove the Office from 30 Rock and the show should be canceled. It also doesn’t help that the show seems to have fallen down and is just straggling to the 100 episode mark so it can be put out of it’s misery.

Well, I can still say ‘Hooray for The Mentalist!’. Its demo number may not be great but according to the figures it was the most watched show of the night! and don’t forget the 3 millionish that it gains from the DVR.

It was a really good episode last night (not a repeat) as enjoyable and funny as ever.

Acey – don’t worry its not in trouble – it makes a lot of money for CBS at 10 so thankfully its not going anywhere (sadly probably not even being moved to 9).

Master Moron – I still think its hilarious you actually thought there would ever be a sex scene in The Mentalist! You watched the show for a year – you could surely tell that it was never going to happen!

I made it through 10 minutes of The Deep End before switching the channel. Despite the hype, this show was nothing like early DH or Grey’s.

I agree with Steph that Grey’s has been wildly uneven this season. Last night’s episode was the best this year because the focus was back on the original characters but the promo focused Izzie’s return as opposed to what was happening between Derek/Meredith and the Chief or even Christina/Owen. Grey’s can rebound if they show less of those awful Mercy West folk and Mark’s annoying daughter.

Congrats to The Mentalist on being the number one show on Thursdays!!!

C’mon, 100+ comments in and nobody thought today’s graphic was nice? ;(

Oh, Bill, I thought the graphic was very nice!

I sure hope “Community” survives.

Deep End….That’s like L.A. Law for kids.

I liked your graphic, fun to make…creative! Good job, but you are always on top of your posts RS..

Bill – nice graphic but I think a large photo of Simon Baker would be better!!

Acey, why do you bother coming to sites like this if you don’t root for any shows to fail? Far more shows fail than succeed, so if you don’t get any pleasure from seeing shows fail then I don’t understand why you would want to come to this site.

As for The Mentalist, as I explained a couple of weeks ago, waking up together is not sex. Plenty of people wake up in bed together without having sex. To describe a scene of two people waking up together as a sex scene is to not understand the purpose of a sex scene. It is a basic rule of cinema that you need to show your audience something, not tell them about it.

NBC’s normally solid thursday night lineup was just awful last night. Parks was decent but the other 3 were awful, especially that clip show. I guess the office writers finally realize they have run out of material.

Very good episode of Fringe though, are these the best ratings Fringe has gotten going up against a new office (well kind of new) and a new Greys?

Bill, that was my first thought when I opened the page…cool graphic! But then I saw the numbers and got all distracted!

Deep End is only 7 episodes and considering it’s produced by FOX and not ABC studios, it’s pretty much a goner after the 7 are up.

To me launching the show midseason and cutting the episode order to 7 doesn’t really show that ABC had alot of faith in the show.

They still have 8 unaired episodes of Happy Town and that show is produced by WB.

Why does ABC even bother doing business with other studios, It already seems to me their promotion and scheduling are biased to their inhouse productions.

Sensational Graphics Bill!

TGIF – Neil Young on Conan!

Poor Bones, getting highs when everything else is a repeat like weeks ago. This show is ridiculous. How in the world a forensic pathologist conducts an interrogation with a suspect. And the cliched cocky agent is just standing doing stupid things???

CSI is still the best, sticking with what and how things are done in this world.

Leno got a 1.3 in the second half hour – ha!

And what’s up with Parks & Rec? They got clobbered by a REPEAT of The Big Bang Theory.

Anyone see Zucker’s interview in the WSJ this morning? He was trying to brag about all the new shows NBC will be premiering this Fall. Yeah, good luck with that one Zuck…

The Office writers have not “run out of ideas.” The clip show was planned WELL in advance. I’d say they are still showing how many ideas they really do have, since they’ll be starting a whole new plot line with Dunder Mifflin being sold to a new company. I agree that the Office was strongest in seasons 2 and 3, but they’re still the best comedy on TV.

Master Moron – As I said – hilarious that you expected to see a sex scene (and thanks for the lesson but I do know what they are) in The Mentalist. I don’t think I need to spell it out for you as its been said loads of times – its just not that kind of show!!

By the way – its a TV show not cinema and its audience are intelligent enough to use their own imagination rather than being shown everything. And since when does it have to follow any rules??!

I too, take absolutely no pleasure in seeing shows fail.

Yeah, the graphics and pics have been top notch recently across the board. Props are deserved.

Here’s a fantastic ratings-related piece on MyNetworkTV (with lots of #s)

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/444904-MyNetworkTV_Primed_for_Growth.php

i belive the 7 episodes = 6 episodes + original pilot (won’t air)

What in the world happened last night to keep NBC and ABC even farther down that normal?

there were 15 major sporting events last night.

including Kobe vs lebron

and Crosby VS Ovechkin.

“Poor Bones, getting highs when everything else is a repeat like weeks ago. This show is ridiculous. How in the world a forensic pathologist conducts an interrogation with a suspect. And the cliched cocky agent is just standing doing stupid things???

CSI is still the best, sticking with what and how things are done in this world.”

“Poor Bones”??? WTF. This show has been scoring highs even with NEW competition.

And do you even watch “Bones”? Brennan NEVER interrogates the suspects by herself. Booth is always doing the interrogation. Brennan is usually the observer. She only attempted to do an interrogation by herself once – and it ended up being a complete disaster.

CSI has been going downhill ever since Grissom left the show. And for the record, CSI is NOT how things in the real world are done. Half the “science” on that show is pure fiction.

How nice of “The Office” to slip in a ‘clips show’ to remind us of when it was funny.

^Highs with new competition? Yeah, with NBC. Sorry about that.

Half the science is fiction? Maybe you can name them?

And yeah I watch Bones. I didn’t say Brennan interrogates suspects by herself only. I think Castle is way better than Bones.

Bones had great ratings last night! Their total viewer average of 11.9 million wasnt too far behind Grey’s Anatomy which had a 12.6 average total audience.

CSI needs to have William Petersen come back, I will watch the show but it just isnt the same with Grissom. I have always liked Laurence Fishburne as an actor but he is so ill suited for this role.

Bill I thought the graphic was awesome!

when i came up with it last month and never told anyone!

BURN!
(i also created a Geekologie one while toying with the Wordle).

“Half the science is fiction? Maybe you can name them?”

Mainly it’s how quickly they process evidence and the fact that an ordinary Las Vegas lab seems to have an unlimited budget and can afford fancy state-of-the-art technology which probably exists to some degree, but only the NSA or the CIA would ever have access to it. Honestly, where does the lab get all its money from?

And “Bones” has been scoring 9-10 million viewers per episode this season with NEW competition from ALL channels.

I was expecting The Deep End to do as much as Community.

@banni–c’mon dude,go away….so happy for bones!!!JFK episode was awesome……

Good for Bones!! Vampire Diaries held up well after being off the air for 2 months

Supernatural was amazing last night!

Bones episode was great, the show is great, period.

^Of course they process evidence fast or else the show won’t be done within an hour. All crime shows do that. They can’t show everything.

Alison, to give you an example that’s not sexual, on last season’s finale of Heroes Sylar and Peter had a huge fight, but they never showed it. They just showed a closeup of Claire’s eye as she was watching the fight. That pissed fans off. They don’t just want to hear about the fight, they want to see it. It’s the same thing with The Mentalist. Fans don’t want to hear about Rigsby and Van Pelt having sex, they want to see it. It’s a basic rule you show the audience things, not tell them about it.

When will NBC finally ‘get it’? “30 Rock” has come in next to last place just about every week, week after week, month after month, and now year after year. Their ratings are pathetic, Alex Baldwin has become a bloated caricature of himself and Tina Fey, though once funny, is today as ‘Borat’ would say, “Not so much.” They keep receiving ‘accolades’ from their peers but not from the viewing public because NO ONE IS WATCHING!! Memo to Jeff Zucker: GET A CLUE and put this show out of its misery before you get fired (which is coming very soon!)

greys is a total bore …. izzie needs to leave.. the show lacks the charm it once did

Have not watched The Office from last night, but I believe it had new footage along with the clips, right? At least it wasn’t like the 100th ep of Seinfeld that was almost purely collected clips.

the128boy: Yes, some new mixed in, which only served to emphasize the differences.

banni: “Half the science is fiction? Maybe you can name them?”

My dad worked for a major, reputable police department for 25 years, most of which was spent in homicide. I’ve grown up around police and spent many an afternoon after school hanging around a couple different stations. I’ve been to murder scenes (not a pretty sight) and crime labs, not because I was forced, but because I was curious (and at one time, was thinking of following in his footsteps).

No offense, banni, but don’t get me started on how inaccurate CSI and its many copies are. I love Castle, but I find myself snickering at some of the amazing crime scene finds they have on that show, too. You don’t find murder weapons or earrings or even human hairs at crime scenes, almost without exception. The best you usually have (when lucky) is fingerprints. And most homicides aren’t solved in an hour.

Such shows may be good entertainment, but don’t go pretending it’s reality.

SUPERNATURAL SUCKING AS USUAL.

VAMPIRE DIARIES IS DOWN TOO.. 1.6/5 HORRIBLE!

Master Moron – I get your point – I do. But in regards to a show like The Mentalist as much as you want it you just won’t get any sex and you have to accept that.

I liked the way they handled the relationship between Van Pelt and Rigsby. I was actually surprised they got them together so quickly as once they are together they either have to stay together or split them up somehow which wont be popular with the fans either. I would like Patrick Jane to have a love interest but that is not going to happen for ages (if ever) so I have to accept that!

Vincenzo, even NBC isn’t stupid enough to cancel one of their few critically acclaimed shows that brings them tons of good buzz and Emmy awards. Ratings aren’t the only thing to consider in this case.

Also, why is it a bad thing if a show is dependent on its lead in?

“Such shows may be good entertainment, but don’t go pretending it’s reality.”

I agree but it would be impossible to make certain things accurate!
In “Bones” the informations about the bodies and the bones are very accurate because they have Kathy Reichs as producer and consultant and she is a real forensic anthropologist (and the show is inspired by her books), she always says that in real life it takes longer because you actually have to wait for the results lol

“To me launching the show midseason and cutting the episode order to 7 doesn’t really show that ABC had alot of faith in the show.”

ABC premiered Grey’s Anatomy in March of ’05 with only 9 episodes then moved from Sunday to Thursday. Let’s hope ABC doesn’t try to bring back The Deep End next season at a different time slot. The show IS just a bad. Sorry, Billy Zane.

“…the previews about The Deep End. It seemed to be about a bunch of elitist Ivy Leaguers complaining about their high paying jobs. There’s a 68% unemployment rate among attorneys and ABC thought it was a good idea to put on a show about a bunch of attorneys whining about their jobs? I mean, are they not aware that we’re in a recession?

Actually only one of the four is an Ivy League graduate (Columbia). One is from Stanford the third is from Cambridge and the fourth…I just don’t care. 68% unemployment rate among attorneys doesn’t really apply to the ones graduated from one of the top 14 law schools. It’s their fault for attending a crappy law school to begin with.

“I flipped over to the Deep End for a few minutes and I witnessed the new associate whining to his boss about the case he was given. I need to take cases for free because no one’s hiring attorneys in this economy and that whiny little bitch is complaining about the case he gets? I felt like screaming “Fire him and hire me!””

You’re just bitter you didn’t go to Yale or Harvard.

On the other hand Grey’s episode last night was the best one this season.

ABC pimped the hell out of The Deep End so I must say I didn’t see that number coming. OTOH it makes sense because a) it looked pretty stupid from the commercials, b) it’s clear they were trying to get the Grey’s vibe from it and I loathe that show and its clones, c) maybe The Good Wife already fulfills this season’s quota of lawyer shows, and d) maybe the networks will finally quit replicating the doctor/cop/lawyer shows?

I realize d is a pipe dream but still a nice dream to be had.

“Such shows may be good entertainment, but don’t go pretending it’s reality.”

“I agree but it would be impossible to make certain things accurate!”

Oh absolutely, Stella. If they showed the full thing, not only would most people gag, but they’d also get bored out of their minds. Shows like The First 48 do a decent summary, but even they can’t show everything. Really, nobody would want all that. Being a homicide detective, my dad always said, is 100% rewarding, but only 10% “fun”.

If KH wants to Caruso-Somers herself off Grey’s so bad they should let her go. Her big return as Izzie did nothing for the ratings. I figured the way TDE was scheduled that ABC was just using it as filler. I think they are actually more interested in Happy Town and Romantically Challenged, and they are waiting to schedule those based on how the other networks are doing and where they will have a best chance. The VD will totally rebound, and it was as good as ever yesterday.

@Banni

“And yeah I watch Bones. I didn’t say Brennan interrogates suspects by herself only. I think Castle is way better than Bones.”

I like Castle but I would go that far. There is a reason why Bones has been on for 5 year.

One wonders whether ABC will be dusting of the “quiet success” mantra for The Deep End.

The Deep End had terrible numbers then again, a show that most people probably changed the channel on within minutes. Glad Fox did well, Fringe is showing that it can still do well on Thursday, be safer if the numbers were closer to 3.0, but still a strong night for Fox and even the CW only thing that saved ABC for the night was Grey’s, and even that dipped.

4.7 for Greys Final Demo of the night

Just watched The Deep End pilot. Couple of characters I liked, but not worth watching again. Surprised it did skew so old, it was entirely sappy like Grey’s and not really up my alley.

Im sure VD didn’t do as well cause some people probably forgot it was coming back on this week and thought that it was going to be another repeat. They didn’t promote that it was coming back as well as they should have.

I truly enjoyed The Mentalist and some viewers missed a fantastic episode last night. I was sorry to hear the viewership wasn’t as high as in the past, but a great series just the same. Being the most watched program of the night as well as the most watched 10pm program of the week thus far is not bad.

I along with perhaps some other viewers were tempted to watch Burn Notice for it brought back Sharon Gless and Tyne Daly together from their Cagney & Lacey days of the past. Being a personal friend of Sharon Gless’ I too was very tempted to watch but nothing could drag me away from my favorite series “The Mentalist” I love Sharon Gless and Tyne Daly together but even they couldn’t pull me away from Simon Baker and his series, The Mentalist.

Ryan47, who said crimes are solved within an hour? In real life no, in CSI yes because the show runs for an hour! I don’t have to explain why. Do you watch CSI? Not every episode has hair, fibers etc just like you said.

Bill: just got here, as my work blocks this site

…I wonder what font and colour scheme you’ll use next time – may I suggest a Futura/autumn?

I read the MyNet article Anonymous put up – look for Howie Mandel to appear as a regular cast member in a show in the 2010/11 season, probably…

…and for anyone criticizing any police procedural on the basis of “they can’t do that that fast!” or “that isn’t realistic!!”, you have to criticize almost every episode of every television program, then…it’s called “time compression”, and they’ve done it since organists and live orchestras accompanied films in theatres…and in hieroglyphs before that…

…as for “realistic” – this is commercial television – any show that did that would get about a 0.0 demo…

…then again, random and excessive explosions haven’t helped Trauma that much, have they?

I’m with you Alison, The Mentalist was truly enjoyable entertainment last night. Only The Mentalist can get me to stay up until 10PM. Wouldn’t miss this series for the world.

I am a personal friend of Sharon Gless and even her reunion with Tyne Daly on Burn Notice which aired at the same time slot as The Mentalist, could drag me away from my favorite series. Sorry Sharon and Tyne but Simon Baker and The Mentalist took precedence even above you!!

“Im sure VD didn’t do as well cause some people probably forgot it was coming back on this week and thought that it was going to be another repeat. They didn’t promote that it was coming back as well as they should have.”

Brian, where do you live, cuz I can tell you, in New York on WPIX, every single commercial break for every show, be it syndicated or first run, had a VD promo. And Family Guy and 2.5 Men are the stations highest rated programs. So, how could anyone miss that. As for SPN, once or twice every 3 hrs. I guess the over promotion made it a buzz kill.

That’s exactly what they get….

I’ve been seeing a lot of articles posted about Smallville and Supernatural renewed for next season. These have been within the last 24 hours. Has anyone seen anything supporting this?

I actually saw may be one or two promos for it here CT

The Deep End breakdown via Travis Yanan http://bit.ly/4vipG2

8:00-8:15
- 7.505 million viewers
- 4.9/8 HH
- 1.8/5 A18-49

8:15-8:30
- 6.788 million viewers
- 4.5/7 HH
- 1.8/5 A18-49

8:30-8:45
- 6.960 million viewers
- 4.6/7 HH
- 1.8/5 A18-49

8:45-9:00
- 7.175 million viewers
- 4.8/7 HH
- 1.9/5 A18-49

Dropped in the second quarter but unlike Human Target it built back up.

Kathy- Here’s the Smallville/Supernatural story.

http://www.cinemaspy.com/article.php?id=3873

Sounds like its legit.

YAY for Bones. Great episode last night

Acey, it probably increased the last fifteen minutes because people were probably just waiting for “Grey’s to come on.

I was expecting VD to be lower, but that rating was satisfactory. Next week, I predict a three-way tie between ABC, NBC & CW from 8-9pm.

JustMe, first of all, graduates from first tier law schools are feeling the sting of the recession. Here’s an article if you don’t believe me: http://www.thefacultylounge.org/2009/03/even-harvard-law-school-is-having-job-placement-anxiety.html

Second, your description of a lower tier schools as crappy fails to recognize that the tier system is based largely on the amount of money that is given to a school by alumni, not on the quality of the education.

Third, you act as if anyone can just get into Harvard or Yale if they want to. Only 500 people get into Yale each year.

obviously Big Bang Theory repeats hurt Parks/Community. That may seem like a lame excuse, but it’s still true.

Why can’t VD beat Community?

C’mon, 100+ comments in and nobody thought today’s graphic was nice? ;(

Aaaah, poor Bill

I’m undecided on how I feel about it…I like the wordle, but I’m a bit ‘meh’ on the color scheme. Maybe do the next one with a little more color.

Holly, better late than never.

Of the default color schemes, I thought this one fit best with our site, but I’m the first to admit that I have zero design sense.

Of the default color schemes, I thought this one fit best with our site

I think that’s the problem though, it blends in too well

Thanks theoacme for explaining. It’s so funny that some (maybe only one) people think that one hour of CSI means they solve the crime in just an hour. It would be awkward to see ‘after 10 hours’ or maybe ’1 week’ every other scene. The actors’ changing outfits per episode speak that days are spent.

Did “Ugly Betty” average better in that ABC timeslot than all these new shows?

maybe “the deep end” not doing well could be good news for flashforward.

RafeDaniels, it doesn’t matter how well Ugly Betty did on Thursday last season, ABC knows how well it did on Friday, and now Wednesday this season, badly.

igotid88, unlikely. While I am certainly guilty of trying to paint the picture of shows pitted against each other for survival, whether or not its true, the only time that even seems to make sense is if the shows have borderline ratings. Flashforward finished the fall with a 2.1 rating, TDE started with a 1.8. For ABC dramas, both of those ratings = cancellation. ABC would rather take its chances with a new show than bring a ratings dog back.

I thought Fringe’s #’s, were linked to Bones increase, but i guess not.
Last weak Bones went up around 3.2, and Fringe got 2.5.
This week Bones went up, but nothing for Fringe.
That’s pretty much the core audience.

“ABC would rather take its chances with a new show than bring a ratings dog back.”

After all, never know when one of those new shows might turn into the next Castle, right Bill?

Sorry…couldn’t resist. I’ll be good now.

I liked the graphic but it was a bit dizzying. Personally, I really love some of the other graphics you’ve had here lately, especially the crow one! XD

JaySun420, thankyou for the link to the story about a possible Season 6 for Supernatural. The only worry is that I think everyone had 5 year contract options. I hope it doesn’t go down the Gilmore Girls road, where you end up with the cast back, but not the series creator/writer…

Supernatural sucks!

WOOHOO FOR BONES!! THAT WAS SUCH A GREAT EPISODE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

After all the mega-hype and over-promotion from ABC, a 1.8 demo for The Deep End is nothing short of embarrassing. Despite the low ratings, ABC will probably air all the episodes in this slot since GA repeats do very poorly at 8pm. V and Wipeout should be considered for the Thursday 8pm slot in the fall since we all know The Deep End and FlashForward will be canceled.

WOW fringe is wayyyyy up from when it was on in fall, I guess that monday airing really helped. Fox Should keep it.

Nice to see Private Practice isn’t dropping just because Grey’s Anatomy is. Frankly this season of PP has been far more engaging so far than that of Grey’s (with notable exception of the GA whodunnit episode).

I feel like PP and Brothers & Sisters are GA’s and DH’s bastard children, always have been. It’s nice to know though that they can hold their own even though both lead-ins seem to subside.

Oh and on the renewal note, I know for sure that GA will go on til May 2012, so at least for two more seasons after this one. But seeing how it’s more than probable that Katherine Heigl will leave after this season I don’t think GA will be going away with dignity.
Same for B&S (Rob Lowe is leaving, Calista’s future is uncertain), and DH (Orson and Angie’s family will leave and Delany’s contract also runs out this year…) Seems like ABC’s best bet are PP and Castle right now.

Hmmmm, you might want to start including Fox news’s ratings when you do these posts… last night the 8pm airing of The O’Reilly Factor drew 4.838 million viewers, more than NBC and the CW at 8pm…

Stephen, we do these posts about 11:30am ET — the cable numbers don’t come out usually until after 4:30pm ET.

More low’s for top rated shows.
I know it’s been a long time since the last hit show, are people getting tired are what?
Outside of BBT, nothing is being produced that’s becoming anything, but average ratings.

Hopefully VD rebounds next week and if it does will probably come in 4th

They need to get rid of The Deep End really fast! LOL! Grey’s is one of ABC’s most important shows, they can’t have shows like The Deep End air RIGHT before it, it will damage their reputation.

Mr. Gorman, Maybe I didn’t phrase the question correctly. Was “Ugly Betty”‘s Overall average for the 2008-2009 season better than what IS the average of these new shows, ie: “Flash Forward” or “Deep End” In the timeslot that “Ugly Betty’ once held for three years? Can you answer this question?

lol aznfratboy as if ABC has some reputation to hold.

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JaySun420, thank you for the link. It sounds as if Eric Kripke is interested in developing stories for a sixth season, so I’m optomistic. Also happy with the tenth season of Smallville.

I watched last weeks ep of Greys and realised that actress who plays Marks Daughter was on TSCC as Riley. No wonder Greys ratings are suffering with that awful actress LOL.

Would you experts say that these recent improved ratings for Fringe will boost its chances for renewal? It got a 2.8 out of House, which was pretty darn close to what Lie to Me gets out of House, it’s past two episodes have a 2.6 on Thursday, which is actually better than what Lie to Me seemed to get without the House lead in ( it aired out of SYTYCD once and at least once out of a repeat of House, with dips in the ratings both times). I guess the real test would be to plug a “special” episode of Lie to me into the Thursday 9pm slot and see how the ratings compare to Fringe?

@RafeDaniels,
Was “Ugly Betty”’s Overall average for the 2008-2009 season better than what IS the average of these new shows, ie: “Flash Forward” or “Deep End” In the timeslot that “Ugly Betty’ once held for three years? Can you answer this question?

By the end of last season, UB was hoovering around a 2.0. That’s better than The Deep End and about par with Flash Forwards last (and lowest-rated) episode (but well under FF’s average).

However, given the downward trend of most broadcast shows (including UB which lost about .5 year to year from the 2007-08 season to the 2008-09 season), there is no reason to think that UB would still be getting the same ratings this year even in the same time slot.

@UKD,
Would you experts say that these recent improved ratings for Fringe will boost its chances for renewal?

Well, it certainly doesn’t hurt… Still, Fringe’s survival will depend heavily on how much space Fox has on its schedule next fall.

I’m really enjoying Fringe…..but I have to say there are moments I think it’s really called the F-Files, last nights storyline with a weird oily substance taken from deep rock being one of them.

Keep it coming though, not a bad show to model yourself on IMHO.

I’m curious though what else Fox would throw at Thursday 9pm? I wonder if the crummy timeslot and Fringe’s (admittedly so so, but steady) performance there gives it a leg up on a show like Human target (so so in good time slots, losing considerably in the second half hour) or Lie to me (so so in a good time slot, obviously very lead in dependent for even those so so ratings).

Smallville RULES

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Thursday is FOX’s weak night, so if Fringe keeps this up it’ll be like Chuck & Castle. But it’s also got a 3 month hiatus soon.
I think FOX has learned you can’t move shows around, unless your a hit, LOST, IDOL, HOUSE.

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@vsaint

I agree with u. The only shows that can move around and have pretty much the same ratings are those shows. They have a huge following that will follow with it. Fringe only had ONE season under its belt and FOX decided to throw it to the wolves? Dumb idea. It hadnt built a true following yet. But hopefully it will be renewed and get a better time slot the next time ago.

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@forg — i was one of the viewers who bled.

Allez Bones!!! *dancing phalanges*