Apple’s iPad: No Hulu or CBS.com Streaming Video for You!

Posted on 28 January 2010 by Robert Seidman

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No Hulu, no cbs.com, no fox.com, or abc.com, or nbc.com, or Comcast’s Fancast/xFinity or any site streaming video with Adobe Flash.

I don’t have a problem with Apple questing for total world domination.  It’s just that in an effort to do it on multiple fronts, I fear it is missing the forest for the trees.  As with the iPhone, Apple is not supporting Flash-based video streaming for the iPad, so  iPad owners will have to buy the content from iTunes instead of watching it for free on Hulu!

When the Apple iPhone launched in late June 2007 without lack of support for Flash, the video streaming protocol used for most Internet video, I didn’t consider it a very big deal.   I figured it would come soon enough.  Oops.  Months later Apple went on the record saying they wouldn’t add it because “it’s too slow.”  Though I didn’t buy that, at least not really, I still didn’t think it was a huge deal with regard to the iPhone in 2007.

Most people weren’t going to want to watch TV on a 3.5″ screen.   And in 2007, you weren’t likely to find WiFi on a plane, so if you wanted a movie, you were going to need it stored on your iPhone’s hard drive anyway.

Now it’s 2010 and there’s still no Flash support for the iPhone.  I’m still personally annoyed over it, but again, I figure most people won’t want to watch TV on a 3.5″ screen.

But what about a 10″ high definition screen like the newly announced iPad from Apple?  I think plenty of people will want to watch video on that.  How awesome would it be to fire up Hulu and…

But nope.  The iPad isn’t going to support Flash either.   The nonsense over Flash being too slow can no longer be swallowed.  It’s 2010, and the new hardware can handle Flash just fine  — not that the old hardware couldn’t.

Apple doesn’t want you watching free videos on  CBS.com or Hulu.  If you want to watch those shows, Apple wants you to buy them from iTunes.  You can also watch YouTube videos via the YouTube application, which is fine if you want to watch episodes of old TV shows like “21 Jump Street,” but lousy if you want to watch “NCIS,” where there are currently only clips and previews rather than full episodes. There are full episodes at CBS.com, but you won’t be able to stream them on you iPad.

At a price of $499 on the low end without 3G and with the smallest 16GB hard drive, I would get one as soon as it was available, if it supported Flash.   I’d have used it as a netbook/laptop replacement AND a bedroom TV.  Without Flash support, I’m not interested.

While I might have been the odd duck when it came to really enjoying video even on the small iPhone screen, a 10″ screen is plenty big enough, especially when its only a few inches from your face.

I wonder if Apple is missing a big opportunity in this case, and cutting off its nose to spite its face.  I think more people would buy them if Apple marketed as “the best handheld device for watching Hulu ever!”

The eBook aspects are nice, but let’s face it — book readers like the Kindle are the “Mad Men” of the gadget world.  Critics, gadget geeks and Oprah slobber all over it, but hardly anyone, you know, actually buys one.   There’s certainly a market for it, it just isn’t that big.

I don’t know if the market is much bigger for a 10″ media device that will easily allow you to watch any of the online offerings from the networks, including Hulu, but the market for people watching video online is much, much bigger than the market for people who want to read books on a tablet computer.

The Netbook market is the most rapidly growing sector as far as the home computer hardware market goes.   You can easily find a Netbook for a couple hundred dollars cheaper than the cheapest iPad.  Nope, it won’t look cool as hell, and it won’t have multi-touch, but it will at least work well with Hulu and any Flash-driven video site.

I’ll be waiting for the touchscreen tablet competition in the same price range to debut.  It won’t take as long as it did for the iPhone to have touchscreen competition in the smartphone market.   In the meanwhile, the iPhone will satisfy my touchscreen and application jones.   And my 2.5 year old Macbook will run Hulu just fine.

Sadly, I won’t be holding my breath for Apple to give up the ghost and add Flash support for the iPad.  It’s too bad.  Too bad for me at least, because I would have really loved a high definition hand-held touch screen tablet that supported Flash.  And too bad for Apple, perhaps, because I just don’t need a(nother) $500 device that doesn’t support Flash.

P.S.  Yes, I know people could rip DVDs and put the content on their iPad’s hard drive, or download torrents in MP4 or M4V format and move them to the iPad’s hard drive, and that some people will do that.

P.P.S. Some have suggested that the limitations on Flash are so that AT&T will have to consume less bandwidth over its 3G network and be able to charge more reasonable rates.   As far as 3G goes, that makes sense, though they could still open it up to WiFi.

Bonus: for everyone ragging on the product’s name, here’s a Mad TV sketch from 2007 that predicted well in advance some of the issues people would have with the naming convention…

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  • Matt

    It would also kill the app store. Many people could just go play flash-based video games online for free.

    Sadly, I still want one eventually. But this little hangup won’t phase those who blindly buy every Apple product that comes on the market as if it was handed down as manna from heaven.

  • http://www.twiter.com/BethTed tdot

    I’d want a front facing camera with the addition of skype and ichat. That would seal the deal for me.

  • Sam

    Apple’s Ipad looks like a device in search of a purpose. It makes a net book at $299 or a tablet at $500 an even more compelling purchase. I simply don’t understand the lack of flash support. I just purchased my new HP netbook and love the size and ability to view anything I want on it. Try again Apple!

  • Mike

    Strange positioning of this product.

    Many have tried the tablet for years and failed. I believe that Gartner is predicting sales in the 4-5 million units for these. Personally I think that this is optimistic.

    I got my wife one of the first iPod touches the minute I saw the wifi capabilities. This is just a big old iTouch. I use hers a lot when I am watching TV to look stuff up. I could use a larger screen. I had reading books from a screen and prefer paper (besides when I fall asleep with my book and roll over on it I only crumple paper , not an expensive device)

    The problem with this is that it does not replace your music player (too big 4 your pocket) or you laptop (not enough power, won’t run multi apps). Now if this ran OSX it would be a different story.

    I agree with Sam, That it is a device looking 4 a purpose. The thing that it has going for it the really great user interface unlike the revolutionary first generation Apple Newton I bought that had a truly non-functional interface!

  • Glenn

    This article is EXACTLY how I feel about the iPad! I use Hulu and Grooveshark and a Flash-based webinar service! How can this be the “best web browsing experience” if I can’t access sites I use daily? My two requirement were webcam (for conferencing) and Flash support. Oh well, guess I’ll look harder at the JooJoo tablet (which has both). And why no USB or SD card options…to make you buy larger memory models? Online content, whether it’s music, movies, TV shows and other IP are moving to FREE. Steve Jobs is going to repeat his mistake of the 70′s and 80′s with his proprietary greed. Keep an eye out for competitors to jump all over this need for greed, his Achilles Heel!

  • Roland

    I’m skeptical of the whole deal. Its essentially a glorified iPod Touch, but bulkier and less convenient. It will not be able to replace a computer for business travel or taking to class for notes. McGraw claims this is huge for text book replacements; however, I personally think that is naive. The power consumption will be much more than a kindle. Furthermore, the inability of the iTab to multitask just makes it a joke. Now I wouldn’t mind if someone gave me one for free–I’d like to see how well Linux would perform.

  • http://www.deltaphotography.net Michael J

    Spend $499.00 so that I can spend more more money at iTunes? I think not. :roll”

  • diana

    I have no problem with this product at all. For all the critics of Apple, they have been the innovators in the Industry not their competitors. They come out with a product and everyone else copies. There will be a competing product available in 6 months which will address this I’m sure and Apple will either need to Step up to stay competitive or they won’t feel they need to to be competitive and won’t. I don’t blame them a bit for trying to gain market share and attempting to use this product for that. Steve Jobs is brilliant. But competition will come.

  • diana

    One last thing. Perhaps it doesn’t bother me because I normally don’t go out and purchase a new product immediately when it’s available. So I know in 6 months to a year the price will be lower, a new version of their product will be in the market, and there will be plenty of competitive products out there.

  • paul vu

    It’s a POS device that Apple tries to squeeze even more money out of the consumer. No flash support, usb and sd card options? are you kidding me?

  • janus

    Yep…This is just a giant Iphone to me. No Flash….haha. That’s really some great internet communicating device. No forward facing cam. Thats dumb. This is going nowhere fast folks. You’d better make some changes if you want to sell his thing. lol

  • letssee

    @diana: actually, this time apple is the one that copies the others. tablet-pcs have been around for quite some time and now that apple sees the potential they’re selling their more than questionable version for 500 dollars… i always wanted to have an iphone i can’t make a call with for 500 dollars, didn’t you?

  • Cody

    The mobile verison of ABC NBC and CBS website actually does support apple video.

  • AppleStinx

    This really is yet another case of Apple sticking a finger in the eye of a long-time business partner (Adobe).

  • Schmoker

    Just another reason for me to stick with PC. I know Apple’s are supposed to be better, but they are also giant wallet suckers. Everything apple I have ever looked into has always had several giant drawbacks that, for me, outweighed all their positives put together. My mp3 has always been Samsung or Sony, and my phones have never been I-anything. Computers are always PCs, even thought PCs drive me bonkers.

    Apple: We Make Microsoft Look Cuddly!

  • http://www.none.com Josh

    diana you completely have it backwards. In nearly every single device that Apple has created within the last 15 years has been pre-existing technology. The iPod (existing music device), the iPhone (existing touch screen), the iPad (existing tablet)… so what really is so innovative here?

    Samsung and HTC had a touch screen phone out YEARS before the iPhone came out… and numerous mp3 players and video players were out before the iPod was even thought of. Again… what is so innovative here?

    diana you have it completely backwards….

    Apple is releasing this iPad and has locked it down, like they do with all their devices. They don’t want you to use any free services, this entire thing revolves around iTunes. So you will have to “buy” music, “buy” videos, “buy” games etc… etc… etc…

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Bill Gorman

    It’s a big iPod Touch. If you were going to buy an iPod Touch, but want a little more screen real estate, but don’t mind it not fitting in your pocket, then I can see someone being in the market. Otherwise, it’s not clear to me where it fits in.

    But if Flash viewing is your problem, then the same problem exists with a Touch.

  • mswood

    I am sold, Flash is not an isue for me at all (at least it hasn’t been). I don’t like streaming media in general (as to this day the quality isn’t as high as purchased content, be it online or home media you convert yourself) and do honestly prefer to own my content.

    My main wish on this product, was being a media device that I can take around the house and use in positions that my laptop is inconvientant. Things like reading, watching tv & movies, and listening to music lying down (which is how I read nearly 90% of the time). I have enver been able to do that with my laptop (at least in any position that is comfortable.

    I mean seriously the Kindle is 250, and only offers B&W reading (ie now real use for Magazines, comics, newspapaers) and has no other media abilities. Easily worth another 200 hunderd for, easily.

  • http://www.none.com Josh

    P.S… services like hulu.com and other streaming content will soon be “paid” content anyways. Although not putting Flash on this iPad just shows that Apple has hate for Adobe and refuses to partner with that company. Also forces users, again, to use iTunes… and dish out more money.

    Apple is like most large companies, they only care about their stock prices.

  • diana

    Well I for one don’t get the appeal of the iPhone yet everywhere I turn around someone has one. I have a Blackberry and with that, I had the option of going with any service provider and the price point for the service was MUCH MUCH better than the iphone. Plus you can tether with a blackberry and not an iPhone.

    And yes I know there are tablet PC’s out there but nothing like this. It’s not perfect, has a long way to go, but I see a ton of potential. And no I am not an Apple lover.

  • mswood

    And people, apple is no way is making you purchase materials through their stores, 98% of my media on any of my devices (about 3 tb), is not through apple.

  • mswood

    I don’t care that much for the iphone as I don’t like phones (probably use about 6 mintues a month), though I did like the rest of the options. But Boyfriend loved his.

  • val

    Well I remember all the bashers when the iphone was announced. I still think the iPhone is overpriced and overhyped but it’s been extremely successful. Apple made no promises or annoubncements before this product was shown it was all people speculating. It could be a bg bust like many predicted the iPhone would be or it could be the next generation tablet PC.

  • Tom

    I think the strategy here is deeper than “Apple doesn’t want you watching free videos.”

    I think their hope for the iPad is that it becomes popular among high income families who will buy it just because it’s cheap enough to be an incidental purchase. If that happens Apple can deprive sites like Hulu of the most valuable audience members (TV’s equivalent of 18-49 with income above $100,000) while gaining sales for iTunes. I don’t dispute that but I think that’s just part of it.

    The big goal here is to disrupt the momentum of Flash based services in general. Because that brings one of two outcomes and both work for Apple.

    If services like Hulu hold out than they’re playing a losing game (since Apple is making way more money and can eventually move in as a streaming competitor once companies like Hulu are significantly weakened).

    On the other hand if services break and agree to license Quicktime instead of Flash than they’re giving money to Apple and helping to kill off Apple’s #1 competitor in the market.

    Either way you’re looking at way more than just selling a few TV shows. Apple’s goal here, imho, seems to be nothing less than controlling digital media completely and leaving Flash out is just one step towards that.

  • Lurker

    The problem is that Flash is the #1 cause of system crashes on MacOS. When the thing crashes people will blame the device instead of Flash, the same way that when the antivirus software brings Windows to a crawl people blame Windows instead of Norton/McAfee. Flash on linux is awful, too. HTML5 is the way to go for streaming video.

  • mswood

    I don’t know if it’s the #1 reason, but on sites that are heavy in Flash I typically do have more problems.

  • mswood

    Tom

    I think it’s more if you are going to be buying online Apple wants it to be with them. As all their systems are very easy in using media from home, or even illegal downloads.

  • Dryr

    No flash on a handheld is gripeable, but no flash on something that size is possibly a deal breaker for me…

  • Johnny

    This is not a real breakthrough-must have product. Can anyone say Newton?

  • Lynn

    TV.com has a lot of CBS shows, the ones they show on their website, and you can get that app.

  • Mostark

    I don’t think iPad is going to be a success for me the following in their order killed the deal:
    1. No multitasking
    2. No Webcam
    3. No Flash
    4. No OS
    5. Locked to iTunes
    6. Too much space left for Bezel around screen (I am just nit-picking on this one..)

    Apple is building their own proprietery digital distriubution channel, and I understand that. But, I am not the one buying into it.
    In medium to long run, locking media/content to one provider never pans out in favor of consumer.
    For me this version of iPad is NO-DEAL.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Robert Seidman

    Lynn, the CBS/TV.com app is pretty lousy at least on the iPhone. It’s better than nothing, and sometimes it works reasonably well, but it chops everything up into clips. Sometimes it takes MINUTES for the next clip to load, even over a good WiFi connection. Though sometimes it takes only 15-20 seconds.

  • mel

    Whoever said this is reminiscent of the iPhone critics is right. I remember all the fanboys bashing that too. I think I’ll wait until the product is actually released and get some feedback on people who are actually using it before I comment. And people here really think Hulu.com is going to continue to be free?

  • Kathy B.

    Very little of what is in my itunes was purchased from itunes. Many DVDs now come with digital downloads and I still purchase CDs and download from Amazon. I have also downloaded a ton of free content through itunes and other outlets. While I am not in any hurry to buy this new product, I will probably get one in the future. I would love to be able to read my morning newspaper without having to wait for the delivery. And I love my iphone!

  • Gusar

    “high definition screen”?? The resolution of this thing is 1024×768. Bigger than an iPhone sure, but that it’s hardly high definition and 4/3 even. And I actually like the no flash thing. Flash is an abomination that should disappear sooner rather than later.

    But everything else on this device… no multitasking (wtf??) and completely locked down, the only way to get apps is through the app store.
    This means you’re limited to the video formats Apple allows you to watch and it doesn’t matter that you could watch other formats too with a different player. But nope, app store policy forbids apps that duplicate built-in functionality. Nice way of locking out competition, Apple. Also, no usb ports, no card reader…

    Sorry if this comment turned out as an anti-Apple rant, but no access to Hulu is this device’s least issue.
    Too bad it’ll probably sell anyway, just because it’s Apple. Me, I’ll stick with my Linux powered netbook.

  • Mike

    All this talk about flash and now HTML5 will support video tags. I believe that even now Microsoft is going to support this standard in the future. Not sure of the timeframe for HTML5 video and when the browser will become compliant but maybe that is part of Apples Strategy.

    Who knows? But I am skeptical of the success of this, but then I have been very wrong about technology before, turning down the offer to be president of a Tech Company getting into PC technology before the IBM PC was born and thinking to myself just how many of these things are going to be sold!

  • Lynn

    Even if I looked past the fact that 3g costs $30 a month and I can’t play xvid videos without conversion and decided to buy one of these, it still wouldn’t replace my 6″ Kindle as a reading device. It weighs 2.5 times more, uses a backlit screen, is probably unusable outdoors, has battery life measured in hours instead of weeks, may not be able to import content from elsewhere, and the books cost more. The iPad is no threat to e-ink based devices for people who read a lot.

  • Kozy

    Some media pundits are saying Apple’s goal with the iPad is to blossom its iTunes Store. When Apple started iTunes, it was essentially telling the music industry, at the time dying in the killer jaws of Napster, “Come with me if you want to live.” Now with the iPad on iTunes, Apple is saying to healthy, vigorous media giants like NewsCorp and Time Warner, “Step away from that 10-course banquet. Come to my house and let’s be vegans together.” Even Apple’s buddy, Disney, isn’t biting.

    Downloading songs is a great idea. The downloads are short, you can sample the songs first, you can play the songs over and over, and they’re great as background sound. Downloading TV shows and movies is not so good. Many shows/movies are not worth watching all the way through. Very few are worth keeping. Even the ones that are worth keep, I don’t want to keep watching over and over. Netflix’s streaming is a much better idea. Hulu is great, and I wouldn’t mind paying for Hulu if the price is right.

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  • SB

    Guys, remember, this is a 1.0 product. Apple is leaving themselves loads of room for this thing to evolve. Multitasking is already rumored for iphone system 4.0, and cameras and wide screen aspect ratios are easy enough to come in the near future.

    Apple makes some fantastic products, but it’s usually best to wait for at least the second generation.

  • Mike
  • Mike

    Another Good Read:

    Ten Things Missing from the iPad

    http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/ten-things-missing-from-the-ipad/

    1) Flash
    2) OLED Screen
    3) USB port
    4) GPS
    5) MulitTasking
    6) Real keyboard
    7) Camera
    8) Verizon
    9) 16:9 aspect ratio
    10) HDMI output

  • http://www.commonsensemoviereviews.com TheAnswerMVP2001

    I’m sure there’s a hack out there somewhere to support flash, if not this will only cause someone to create it. When you put limits on what people can do, it only causes people to find a way around it.

  • Pix

    I really like the device, and I would definitly buy one if it supported flash and multitasking, but without it, it’s useless. I have a 4 year old SonyEricsson K800 dumbphone in a drawer somewhere, that thing could multitask AND it had flash lite (not real flash OK, but at least it had something)! 4 bloody years ago, on a cheap DUMBPHONE I had multitasking, and these idiots don’t want to put it on an expencive tablet with a 1ghz tegra-like chip…
    Such a shame, because I could have really used something this powerful and portable…

  • Vetinari

    It looks stupid to me but James Cameron turned a remake of Delgo into a gigantic blockbuster so I can’t say for sure the iPad won’t sell.

  • Oh, Hi Mark

    Prediction: iPad is an epic fail.

    Even the most sycophantic Apple used seem to be having a hard time finding a use for this unneeded bastardized hybrid.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Bill Gorman

    I certainly don’t see how its going to find a big market, and doubt it starts strong. Some Apple products start slowly and stay there, and others take off, but the iPad feels a lot more to me like the MacBook Air or AppleTV than the original iPod.

  • Careless

    “Whoever said this is reminiscent of the iPhone critics is right. I remember all the fanboys bashing that too.”

    Seriously? I remember a ton of people drooling over them. All the Apple-fanboys I know have had reactions ranging from “meh, I might buy one” to “why would I want this?”

    It can’t do what my phone does, and it’s worse in almost every way (except size and having a touch pad, and I like big things) than my laptop.

    Here’s my favorite picture illustrating the problems with the iPad http://i.imgur.com/5vREa.png

  • Careless

    Oops, that should have made clear that the drooling was for the iphone and the “meh” is for the ipad

  • MooTrain

    A hack to fix this will be available pretty quickly.

  • Nemo

    For me the problem is that it’s simply too big. It’s bigger than most netbooks, costs more, and what extra does it offer? Um, a touch-screen. Yay, Apple.

    I have a $199 netbook that streams flash video just fine. And, hell, if I just want to watch a video, I’ve got a $99 Onda VX545HD with a 5″ 800×600 screen in a much more manageable 4×6″ form factor, and it even has 720p output… only via composite cables, not HDMI, but, still. And, hell, for ten bucks more (~$110), you can get the VX575HD, which *has* HDMI output, a USB port, and plays MKV files.

    A solution in search of a problem. Go Apple!

  • tw

    sooo, its to big to be carried in your pocket, its to small to REALLY enjoy video on it its damn expensive to buy content for it …

    its basicly a to large ipod touch

    i mean in what situation do you use this thing? I understand the ebook thing, thats basicly what it is, a high class ebook reader.

    Lets see how the slate does. allowing flash could make or break the deal, cause thats the NEW moving picture format.

  • http://ComicsPundit.com Shawn Levasseur

    Hulu, and each of the networks can make their own apps for streaming video, or use HTML5′s video tags. If YouTube can do it for free content, if MLB.com can do it for paid content, anyone can do it.

    They don’t have to use Flash. And given its instability and heavy usage of CPU power it’s pointless. Flash had been the only way to deliver video because there was no better way. Now there are many better ways. MUCH better.

    Even Hulu is steering away from flash with stand alone players on the Mac and Windows. I hope Hulu will be looking into an iPad app before too long.

    *Sigh*

    If there’s anything more annoying than all the speculation of all the many things that the iPad was going to be that will cause it to rule the world. It’s all the whining about what it doesn’t have and why it’s doomed to be a failure.

    It must be some sort of disease…. “I-wanna-pony-itis”, I guess you could call it.

  • Jordan

    This product would be great for me if it had full web capability. It isn’t worth the price for a limited product. I will just keep using my macbook and my iphone. Sad :0( I would buy this as soon as it comes out but I really would just find myself using my laptop instead.

  • Jordan

    Is it too much to ask for a fully functional device? I am not going to buy a device that people MAY write programs for!

  • Vetinari

    ““I-wanna-pony-itis”, I guess you could call it.”
    No need to be condescending. Nobody’s asking for a gift. They are asking for a product worth buying.

    The problem here is Apple is deliberately not giving the market what it clearly wants: an apple netbook. Instead they are trying to sell a device that is essentially a fancy funnel for consuming iTunes and iBook content.

    But that isn’t why people loved Apple, they loved Apple because it empowered people and helped them create. This isn’t a creation device, it’s just a consumption device, and as such feels un-Apple.

  • Darcy

    Why do folks assume they know what Apple’s intent for this device was. even before Apple announced a thing, folks were assuming this new piece of equipment would be this and that etc. Just maybe Apple has done market research and feels there is a place for a product like this. PLUS it’s version 1.0 people. Lots of room for improvements.

  • Kermonk

    I was looking at their promo video and almost felt sick, it was so full of “we are so great, the most important supermen on the planet, nobody else could do what we do” – about 80% of the promo was them padding themselves on the back! Nobody but them could make a calendar – year right.

    And apart from the problems Robert raised, it also seems to be totally locked down by evil DRM, meaning essentially Apple decides what programs you run on your computer? You gotta be kidding. That’s none of your business Apple.

  • Vetinari

    If we don’t know what the intent for a device is that’s a pretty badly thought out device. Who buys something not knowing what it is for?

    The Apple apologists act like Apple is some dear relative we should be patient with. They are just another corporation and it’s fair to be skeptical and call things like they are.

  • Lurker

    My bet is that someone is already designing a protective case that incorporates a bluetooth keyboard (maybe USB ports?).

  • http://techtronicsinc.net Jason

    Where does everyone get that APple locks their products down? Apple is the one who beat the record companies into letting go of DRM. Apple is the one who just made the wireless carriers say hey your not going to lock anyone into a contract with this.

    Microsoft is the one who has a browser not based upon open standards and wont run HTML5. Microsoft has gone against open standards for years. WMV is the most locked down proprietary system out there. SO is DIVX.
    APple is using an open standard for the ebooks as well. Amazon locked down the kindle with its own format rather then using an open format.

    Apple has long since been open standards. Why is there no flash? Because flash is dead. It wont be long before flash is gone and html5 is the new flash.
    And hopefully HTML5 will go away with MS silverlight as well.

    The idea here is that this could makes books no longer static but they could come to life in a way and then like textbooks a college student could carry 1 ipad rather then 20 textbooks around.
    Even the iphone is not locked down just because apple does not want you using flash when html5 is available.
    I must say the name could have been better but i see there is a huge market for this in the future. I also remember people laughing at the ipod, the iphone and even remember michael Dell laughing at Apple back in 97 saying shut the company down.

    Now Dell is going in the toilet and is losing marketshare and money fast. Apple has more money in securities and investments then Dell is worth. Today Apple is worth 7x what Dell is.

    Yes there were touch screen phones before the iphone but none that could repsond so fluidly and do as much as the iphone.
    The MP3 market was going nowhere till Apple came along

  • usedtolovecoco

    This among other things is why I won’t be buying one.

    Other things are how they plan to raise the price of e-books from the $9.99 that’s standard at Amazon, to $12.99-$14.99. I’m sorry, but I’m just not paying that much for an e-book that’ll probably be DRMed to hell anyway.

    This is just further proof that Apple is only for upper middle class and rich people.

  • Deedee

    I do remember years back when the iPod and then the iPhone both being laughed at and look where they are. I think the product has a lot of potential and I agree with whoever said the lack of flash support not an issue. Multitasking though is a big deal and hopefully they resolve that.

  • Lurker

    Jason: Generally, staring at a light bulb while hiding in the shade isn’t my idea of a good reading experience.

  • Tony

    Honestly. In my opinion I believe Apple messed up the iPad. I mean I understand the no flash part but what Apple did was enlarge an iPod touch and add the iBooks Store. They should have added some really cool features to seperate it from the iPod crowd. I expected it to run on the Mac OS not the iPhone OS. But that’s at least understandable, but come on Apple!! add an iSight camera and put iChat on there. If it had an iSight camera I’d be first in line, but I don’t see anything that I can’t do on the iPad that I can’t do on my iPod touch. Apple needed to add really cool features that made the iPad unique but they didn’t. I might buy one but I’ll probably wait it out until the second generation when they add an iSight camera and some better features.

  • Lurker

    Tony: It’s pretty clear that Apple and AT&T learned well from the iPhone here. This device uses AT&T but has no contract and AT&T doesn’t underwrite the cost… which means Apple can sell you a new machine every year or so! When sales go down or when people start to expect the price to drop, Apple will roll out the new iPad 2.0 with camera! The early adopters will replace their iPads and Apple gets to justify keeping the price point. Then the next year, hey Flash is here, but bummer, you’re going to need a more powerful CPU… after that… Are you tired of only getting 5 hours of battery life? Upgrades! It’s the gravy train, baby.

  • Tony

    I understand the point of upgrades and that but there isn’t one new feature that makes the iPad unique and cool besides the iBooks. So I think they should of added something, anythig that would make it standout and make it a MUST own! But i guess apple just wants to sell it first with barely anything new like they do with any new product.

  • Peter

    Looks like Adobe’s trying to make a push for developers to start converting flash apps for the iPad (similar to the youtube app I assume). It’d definitely be a deal breaker if you couldn’t hit youtube on your iPhone and because the demand is so high, I think Adobe’s starting to feel left out since they can’t ride Apple’s success just a bit.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/27/AR2010012704222.html

  • Roland

    @Jason: Right because I want a device that strains my eyes when studying. On top of that–I really need a computer for my text books so that I have to purchase new copies of the book instead of used, and I’m then unable to sell the book once I’m through with it. If I spend 400 bucks on books, I usually get around 25% back and would be left with 100 bucks after the semester is completed. I highly doubt the publishers will suddenly reduce the price for their textbooks. Oh yeah, and what college students really need is for a device that couldn’t last a 12 hour day on campus.

  • Deedee

    It’s because Flash is an inferior product and is no longer the only game in town. So no surprise here. Adobe wants to stay in business.

  • Gusar

    @Jason:

    “Where does everyone get that APple locks their products down?”
    You can’t install anything on the iPhone and the iPad except stuff from the Apple app store. Which has very strict, often arbitrary, rules as to what is allowed in there. If that’s not lockdown, I don’t know what is.
    And please, don’t mention jailbreaking. One shouldn’t need to jailbreak their own frikkin’ device just to install an app not blessed by Apple onto it.

    Let me give you a practical example of this kind of lockdown:
    A MKV file with xvid video and vorbis audio. An AVI file with xvid video and mp3 or ac3 audio. An OGG file with theora video and vorbis audio… The processor in the iPad is more than capable of playing back all those files. But it can’t. You know why? Because the device is locked down to the stuff Apple tells you you’re allowed to use and nothing else. You can’t install a player onto the device that would be capable of handling those media files, the app store rules forbid it.

    “APple is using an open standard for the ebooks as well.”
    Yeah… but will you be able to transfer those books to another device? NO. They’ll be locked down with DRM. Music from iTunes is not locked by DRM anymore, but everything else *is*.

    “The MP3 market was going nowhere till Apple came along”
    Err, Apple does not and never has sold MP3 music. It was all AAC from the very beginning. Locked by DRM at first.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Bill Gorman

    YouTube is now available without Flash, if you sign up for the “beta” using HTML5. I did, and while I rarely use YouTube, I don’t notice any real difference.

    That’s not something that more than a relative handful of people will do, but presumably if it works for Google/YouTube they’ll switch the whole site to HTML5 (although considering how long things stay in beta with Google, it might be our grandchildren witnessing the switch).

  • aok

    No real surprise here. Apple wants you to buy content from iTunes rather than watch it for free. So far, they haven’t given me a lot of incentive to buy one of these things.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Robert Seidman

    You Tube was always available since the first iPhone without Flash through the YouTube app. That works perfectly well, too. If YouTube had the same selection of full episodes as Hulu had, I would not have any issue with the lack of Flash! If there was a Hulu app that worked well and supported MP4/M4V I also wouldn’t have a problem.

    I’m guessing there are some huge issues in making that work, otherwise iPhone would’ve had a Hulu app for ages. It’s been rumored for almost a year. Some suggest Apple/AT&T won’t allow it to preserve AT&T’s 3G network. But, at least in the ill-performing TV.com iPhone app, it has been shown that streaming can be limited to being available only on WiFi on a per video basis.

  • EJ

    Just google the Notion Ink smartpad. 1080p, multitasking, wifi and 3G, USB slot and more…Can you say iPad Killer???

  • josh

    if i would’ve done more homework on the iphone, i probably wouldn’t bought it since there is no flash or other sites. i enjoy the phone, but won’t go back when it dies

  • Dillan

    Guys, trust me on this one: HP Slate will be the one to watch!

    The build of Windows 7 it uses is amazing, and fully functional with all Windows software. That includes Flash.

  • AppleStinx

    I saw this wonderful innovative and revolutionary new car. It costs a small fortune and it doesn’t come with reverse gear or steering wheel. But it’s ok. You can push the car backwards, and if you don’t drive down a straight road, what’s the matter with you? Anyway, someone should have hacks to overcome those small annoyances by the time the car is on the market. I’ll definitely buy this car because it is by ELPPA! :grin:

  • http://www.andysocial.com/archives/2010/01/29/netflix-blows-off-ipad BunkBlog » Blog Archive » Netflix Blows Off iPad

    [...] not only can’t you get any Flash-based web sites (um, most streaming video including Hulu), you also can’t get Netflix (the biggest streaming video supplier).  I know Apple really [...]

  • http://techtronicsinc.net Jason

    Darn you know what i bought a BMW the other day and danget you know what it wont go off roading and does not work as a 4-wheel drive. I guess i will have to take it back.

  • AppleStinx

    Don’t take it back. Wait a couple of years for a hacker to deliver a conversion kit. :wink:

  • Catalin

    I think Flash was essential if this new product was created to compete the notebooks. But seems like after advertising the iPad as being Flash compatible they are now replacing the video ads. And I heard something about HTML5 instead of Flash on the iPad. Here is more information about this: http://www.thehdstandard.com/general-discussion/no-flash-support-on-apples-tablet/

    Catalin
    Professional Streaming Consultant

  • http://www.pinkislive.com Allen Farmer

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