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TV Ratings: Bones, Fringe, Vampire Diares Up; The Deep End Sinks On Topsy Turvy Thursday

Posted on 29 January 2010 by Bill Gorman

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Scoreboard FOX Uni CBS CW NBC ABC
Rating/Share: Adults 18-49 3.3/9 1.8/5 1.8/5 1.5/4 1.5/4 1.5/4
Rating/Share: Adults 18-34 2.6/8 2.1/7 1.1/3 1.7/5 1.6/5 1.3/4
Total Viewers (million) 10.636 4.254 8.275 3.181 4.178 5.205


Fox’s Bones and Fringe had an up night against the mostly repeat competition on a topsy turvy Thursday that saw Fox finish #1 in the adults 18-49 ratings, but had Univision tied for #2 and the CW tied with NBC and ABC for #4. The CW’s Vampire Diaries recovered from its sleepy 2010 start to near its season’s new episode ratings average. While ABC’s The Deep End sinks slowly in the West.

With CBS and ABC effectively on the sidelines, Fox took the ball and ran with it on Thursday night. Bones was up 3% from last week to a 3.6 adults 18-49 rating its highest rated show in over 2 years (11/6/07). Fringe was up 15% to a 3.0 rating, tieing its highest 18-49 rating this season.

The other big beneficiary of the weaker competition at 8pm was CW’s Vampire Diaries, which was up 13% from its slow post-repeat gap start last week to a 1.8 adults 18-49 rating, near its season average for new episodes. Vampire Diaries had its best adults 18-34, adults 18-49 and total viewer (3.72mil) numbers since Nov. 12. Supernatural, however, did not share in the bounty, down 8% from last week to a 1.3 adults 18-49 rating.

Even with reduced competition, ABC’s The Deep End sank from its premiere, down 6% to a 1.7 adults 18-49 rating. Glug, glug, glug. If the Olympics weren’t coming up soon to maul everything else for two weeks I think there might be a reasonable chance that ABC would pull The Deep End off the schedule early to stop the carnage.

The Jay Leno Show was the only new show on NBC, but few noticed, as it fell 14% from last week to a 1.2 rating, it’s lowest rated Thursday airing ever.

In Late-Night Local People Meters Thursday night:

  • Conan O’Brien (0.8/3 in 18-49 in local people meters with an encore telecast) outscored CBS’s Late Show (0.7/3 with an encore telecast) in Nielsen’s 25 local markets with People Meters.
  • At 12:35 a.m., Jimmy Fallon (0.5/3 in 18-49 in local people meters with an encore telecast) topped CBS’s first-run Late Late Show (0.4/3).
Time Net Show 18-49 Rating 18-49 Share Viewers Live+SD (Millions)
8:00 FOX Bones 3.5 10 11.956
CW Vampire Diaries 1.8 5 3.751
ABC The Deep End 1.7 5 6.089
NBC Community (repeat) 1.6 5 4.209
CBS Live For the Moment (special) 1.1 3 4.920
8:30 FOX Bones 3.7 11 12.782
ABC The Deep End 1.8 5 5.987
CW Vampire Diaries 1.8 5 3.680
NBC Parks & Recreation (repeat) 1.6 4 3.725
CBS Live For the Moment (special) 1.0 3 4.413
9:00 FOX Fringe 3.1 8 9.153
NBC The Office (repeat) 2.1 6 4.561
CBS CSI (repeat) 1.9 5 8.968
ABC Grey’s Anatomy (repeat) 1.6 4 5.384
CW Supernatural 1.2 3 2.720
9:30 FOX Fringe 3.0 8 8.653
CBS CSI (repeat) 2.0 5 9.294
NBC 30 Rock (repeat) 1.7 5 3.880
ABC Grey’s Anatomy (repeat) 1.4 4 5.118
CW Supernatural 1.2 3 2.571
10:00 CBS The Mentalist (repeat) 2.2 6 11.033
ABC Private Practice (repeat) 1.3 4 4.526
NBC The Jay Leno Show 1.2 3 4.467
10:30 CBS The Mentalist (repeat) 2.3 7 11.022
NBC The Jay Leno Show 1.1 3 4.224
ABC Private Practice (repeat) 1.1 3 4.125

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Fast Affiliate Ratings: These first national ratings, including demographics, are available at approximately 11 AM (ET) the day after telecast, and are released to subscribing customers daily. These data, from the National People Meter sample, are strictly time-period information, based on the normal broadcast network feed, and include all programming on the affiliated stations, sometimes including network programming, sometimes not. The figures may include stations that did not air the entire network feed, as well as local news breaks or cutaways for local coverage or other programming. Fast Affiliate ratings are not as useful for live programs and are likely to differ significantly from the final results, because the data reflect normal broadcast feed patterns. For example, with a World Series game, Fast Affiliate Ratings would include whatever aired from 8-11PM on affiliates in the Pacific Time Zone, following the live football game, but not game coverage that begins at 5PM PT. The same would be true of Presidential debates as well as live award shows and breaking news reports.

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  • http://twitter.com/nickyoung665 nick

    What about Supernatural?

  • http://twitter.com/nickyoung665 nick

    What about Supernatural?

  • http://twitter.com/nickyoung665 nick

    What about Supernatural?

  • gdigs

    Wow..
    Vampire Diaries is really a hit. I knew it would go up. And episodes just keep getting better and draw more interest. Its wierd seeing CW not in last place.

    The CW needs to capitalize on the hit that it has. I bet they will move Supernatural off to Fridays and launch a new show on Thursdays. Nothing is getting ratings like VD and they need those kind of numbers to launch a new show

  • gdigs

    Wow..
    Vampire Diaries is really a hit. I knew it would go up. And episodes just keep getting better and draw more interest. Its wierd seeing CW not in last place.

    The CW needs to capitalize on the hit that it has. I bet they will move Supernatural off to Fridays and launch a new show on Thursdays. Nothing is getting ratings like VD and they need those kind of numbers to launch a new show

  • gdigs

    Wow..
    Vampire Diaries is really a hit. I knew it would go up. And episodes just keep getting better and draw more interest. Its wierd seeing CW not in last place.

    The CW needs to capitalize on the hit that it has. I bet they will move Supernatural off to Fridays and launch a new show on Thursdays. Nothing is getting ratings like VD and they need those kind of numbers to launch a new show

  • Really Tired

    (Braces for mostly ABC poasts)

  • Really Tired

    (Braces for mostly ABC poasts)

  • Really Tired

    (Braces for mostly ABC poasts)

  • thirdsaint

    Was ABC on repeats as well? Interesting to see Univision #2, haha. Still, any news on the upswing for Fringe is good news, even against repeats. The next episode looks to be a killer one with it being very heavy in mythology. No monster-of-the-week next week.

  • thirdsaint

    Was ABC on repeats as well? Interesting to see Univision #2, haha. Still, any news on the upswing for Fringe is good news, even against repeats. The next episode looks to be a killer one with it being very heavy in mythology. No monster-of-the-week next week.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com/ Bill Gorman

    Show ratings table now added to the post.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com/ Bill Gorman

    Show ratings table now added to the post.

  • John

    It finally happened. CW drew with NBC, even if they were in repeats.

  • John

    It finally happened. CW drew with NBC, even if they were in repeats.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Bill Gorman

    Show ratings table now added to the post.

  • John

    It finally happened. CW drew with NBC, even if they were in repeats.

  • Samuel

    WOW…

    The CW before ABC ans NBC… UNIVISION in second…

    What a screwed up night…

    Well good for Fringe, up again. I guess Fox is watching closely

  • Samuel

    WOW…

    The CW before ABC ans NBC… UNIVISION in second…

    What a screwed up night…

    Well good for Fringe, up again. I guess Fox is watching closely

  • Gaaa

    WOW for Fringe.
    The Deep end is dead

  • Gaaa

    WOW for Fringe.
    The Deep end is dead

  • Samuel

    WOW…

    The CW before ABC ans NBC… UNIVISION in second…

    What a screwed up night…

    Well good for Fringe, up again. I guess Fox is watching closely

  • Gaaa

    WOW for Fringe.
    The Deep end is dead

  • John

    Go Bones and Fringe! :D

  • John

    Go Bones and Fringe! :D

  • Robert Wells

    Wow…what great news for Fringe fans! We’ve finally hit a 3.0 share! That’s huge…I really hope fox keeps investing in this gem. It’s such a great show!

  • Robert Wells

    Wow…what great news for Fringe fans! We’ve finally hit a 3.0 share! That’s huge…I really hope fox keeps investing in this gem. It’s such a great show!

  • John

    Go Bones and Fringe! :D

  • Robert Wells

    Wow…what great news for Fringe fans! We’ve finally hit a 3.0 share! That’s huge…I really hope fox keeps investing in this gem. It’s such a great show!

  • http://www.deltaphotography.net/ Michael J

    It’s too bad about “The Deep End”. The show has some potential. Perhaps less Billy Zane and more Clancy Brown in the stories?

    It’s nice to see “Fringe” in the 3.0-3.1 range even if it was going up against repeats.

  • http://www.deltaphotography.net/ Michael J

    It’s too bad about “The Deep End”. The show has some potential. Perhaps less Billy Zane and more Clancy Brown in the stories?

    It’s nice to see “Fringe” in the 3.0-3.1 range even if it was going up against repeats.

  • http://www.deltaphotography.net Michael J

    It’s too bad about “The Deep End”. The show has some potential. Perhaps less Billy Zane and more Clancy Brown in the stories?

    It’s nice to see “Fringe” in the 3.0-3.1 range even if it was going up against repeats.

  • thirdsaint

    So what we are seeing is Fringe would get a 3.1 or so without the tough competition they face. I think that’s a good thing and I highly doubt Lie to Me would be able to pull that number. I’m gaining more and more confidence that Fringe will be renewed the more I read interviews with the execs at Fox and JJ Abrams about the show.

  • thirdsaint

    So what we are seeing is Fringe would get a 3.1 or so without the tough competition they face. I think that’s a good thing and I highly doubt Lie to Me would be able to pull that number. I’m gaining more and more confidence that Fringe will be renewed the more I read interviews with the execs at Fox and JJ Abrams about the show.

  • http://twitter.com/nickyoung665 nick

    Im hoping a 2.6 million viewers average for Supernatural is good?

  • http://twitter.com/nickyoung665 nick

    Im hoping a 2.6 million viewers average for Supernatural is good?

  • thirdsaint

    So what we are seeing is Fringe would get a 3.1 or so without the tough competition they face. I think that’s a good thing and I highly doubt Lie to Me would be able to pull that number. I’m gaining more and more confidence that Fringe will be renewed the more I read interviews with the execs at Fox and JJ Abrams about the show.

  • http://twitter.com/nickyoung665 nick

    Im hoping a 2.6 million viewers average for Supernatural is good?

  • forg

    Live for The Moment flopped hard

    A Survivor 10th anniversary special will air next week it would be interesting if Bones would continue it’s ratings momentum

    In fairness to The Deep End it didn’t dropped that hard from its already low series premiere numbers (I was thinking it would drop to 1.2-1.4 this week) but still not renewable

    Good for Vampire Diaries although I was hoping it would go 2.0 this week but great numbers for CW still.

  • forg

    Live for The Moment flopped hard

    A Survivor 10th anniversary special will air next week it would be interesting if Bones would continue it’s ratings momentum

    In fairness to The Deep End it didn’t dropped that hard from its already low series premiere numbers (I was thinking it would drop to 1.2-1.4 this week) but still not renewable

    Good for Vampire Diaries although I was hoping it would go 2.0 this week but great numbers for CW still.

  • forg

    Live for The Moment flopped hard

    A Survivor 10th anniversary special will air next week it would be interesting if Bones would continue it’s ratings momentum

    In fairness to The Deep End it didn’t dropped that hard from its already low series premiere numbers (I was thinking it would drop to 1.2-1.4 this week) but still not renewable

    Good for Vampire Diaries although I was hoping it would go 2.0 this week but great numbers for CW still.

  • the128boy

    Look at those repeat numbers for Community/Parks… low, yes, but 80% of new episode numbers. That’s pretty impressive, at least. They still trounced Leno…

  • the128boy

    Look at those repeat numbers for Community/Parks… low, yes, but 80% of new episode numbers. That’s pretty impressive, at least. They still trounced Leno…

  • the128boy

    Look at those repeat numbers for Community/Parks… low, yes, but 80% of new episode numbers. That’s pretty impressive, at least. They still trounced Leno…

  • Samuel

    Well wow…

    Fringe just did it’s best numbers of the Season 3.0 on a Thursday night, did better than the one on Monday night after house, Bones at 3.6 is amazing. So I guess the fight between LTM and Fringe is getting more and more interesting, and it seems like Fringe can really own it’s own even on Thursday. Even if its against repeats, its still better than the premiere

    VD was at its normal 1.8

  • greysfan

    WTF? ABC last? CW 3rd and Uni 2nd? What a strange night. Bones continues to impress and i am glad to. It is a fantastic show.

    Glad to see Fringe win the timeslot. Also Vampire Diaries 2nd at 8pm is a huge shock. CW have a hit on their hands. They should have launched Life Unexpected after it. That show is good but the ratings say otherwise

  • greysfan

    WTF? ABC last? CW 3rd and Uni 2nd? What a strange night. Bones continues to impress and i am glad to. It is a fantastic show.

    Glad to see Fringe win the timeslot. Also Vampire Diaries 2nd at 8pm is a huge shock. CW have a hit on their hands. They should have launched Life Unexpected after it. That show is good but the ratings say otherwise

  • Samuel

    Well wow…

    Fringe just did it’s best numbers of the Season 3.0 on a Thursday night, did better than the one on Monday night after house, Bones at 3.6 is amazing. So I guess the fight between LTM and Fringe is getting more and more interesting, and it seems like Fringe can really own it’s own even on Thursday. Even if its against repeats, its still better than the premiere

    VD was at its normal 1.8

  • greysfan

    WTF? ABC last? CW 3rd and Uni 2nd? What a strange night. Bones continues to impress and i am glad to. It is a fantastic show.

    Glad to see Fringe win the timeslot. Also Vampire Diaries 2nd at 8pm is a huge shock. CW have a hit on their hands. They should have launched Life Unexpected after it. That show is good but the ratings say otherwise

  • greysfan

    I meant 4th for CW

  • greysfan

    I meant 4th for CW

  • greysfan

    I meant 4th for CW

  • Trent

    It isn’t really fair to say “The Deep End” sunk. It only pulled a 1.8 last week, so a 1.7 isn’t sinking imho.

  • Trent

    It isn’t really fair to say “The Deep End” sunk. It only pulled a 1.8 last week, so a 1.7 isn’t sinking imho.

  • GEORGE 11

    jay leno was repeat? cause it was beaten not only from cbs repeat but also from private practice repeat!!!!

  • GEORGE 11

    jay leno was repeat? cause it was beaten not only from cbs repeat but also from private practice repeat!!!!

  • http://iamnoahjames.com/ nkinsey

    This was a successful benchmark for FOX. Airing new eps over repeats was a great way to gauge if Fringe was suffering due to people losing interest v. too heavy competition. Looks like Fringe proved to still be a draw. Good for them.

  • http://iamnoahjames.com/ nkinsey

    This was a successful benchmark for FOX. Airing new eps over repeats was a great way to gauge if Fringe was suffering due to people losing interest v. too heavy competition. Looks like Fringe proved to still be a draw. Good for them.

  • The_GodfatherSJP

    Seems like Fringe gets better retention out of Bones than Lie To Me does out of House. Does this matter a lot to a network? I know the actual ratings are also key, what I’m wondering is has there been a case where a better rated show, on average, is canceled because it’s not getting nearly the same retention as a show which is weaker in ratings, but not by much? I think if there were cases of this or not, it might clear up the murky situation of Fringe vs. Lie To Me.

  • Trent

    It isn’t really fair to say “The Deep End” sunk. It only pulled a 1.8 last week, so a 1.7 isn’t sinking imho.

  • GEORGE 11

    jay leno was repeat? cause it was beaten not only from cbs repeat but also from private practice repeat!!!!

  • http://iamnoahjames.com nkinsey

    This was a successful benchmark for FOX. Airing new eps over repeats was a great way to gauge if Fringe was suffering due to people losing interest v. too heavy competition. Looks like Fringe proved to still be a draw. Good for them.

  • The_GodfatherSJP

    Seems like Fringe gets better retention out of Bones than Lie To Me does out of House. Does this matter a lot to a network? I know the actual ratings are also key, what I’m wondering is has there been a case where a better rated show, on average, is canceled because it’s not getting nearly the same retention as a show which is weaker in ratings, but not by much? I think if there were cases of this or not, it might clear up the murky situation of Fringe vs. Lie To Me.

  • thirdsaint

    I don’t think this is Fringe’s best. The premiere did better, no? It’s probably the best non-premiere ratings though.

  • Cucumber Jones

    Wow Fringe. P&R only a little bit lower than a new episode. I’m honestly not sure if that’s a good or a bad thing :/

  • http://www.vlaentivisionfilms.com/ Joe

    If only The Deep End was on NBC, then it would have a fighting chance to be renewed…LOL.

  • thirdsaint

    I don’t think this is Fringe’s best. The premiere did better, no? It’s probably the best non-premiere ratings though.

  • Cucumber Jones

    Wow Fringe. P&R only a little bit lower than a new episode. I’m honestly not sure if that’s a good or a bad thing :/

  • http://www.vlaentivisionfilms.com Joe

    If only The Deep End was on NBC, then it would have a fighting chance to be renewed…LOL.

  • http://www.cricketmx.com/ battye

    The Office does well for NBC, 2.1 for a repeat… wow, not bad.

  • mswood

    Terrible results for SN against reruns (for the most part). Stronger across the board in demos and viewers last week against all new shows, weird.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com/ Bill Gorman

    Post now substantially updated with all regular information.

  • http://www.cricketmx.com battye

    The Office does well for NBC, 2.1 for a repeat… wow, not bad.

  • mswood

    Terrible results for SN against reruns (for the most part). Stronger across the board in demos and viewers last week against all new shows, weird.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Bill Gorman

    Post now substantially updated with all regular information.

  • thirdsaint

    Yup, definitely shows the fans are still watching Fringe, just not live against the other shows. I’m pretty sure whatever show was on this timeslot last season (Nightmare Kitchen was it?) wouldn’t pull a 3.0 even against no competition. That’s what Fox is looking for.

  • thirdsaint

    Yup, definitely shows the fans are still watching Fringe, just not live against the other shows. I’m pretty sure whatever show was on this timeslot last season (Nightmare Kitchen was it?) wouldn’t pull a 3.0 even against no competition. That’s what Fox is looking for.

  • Jon

    The Vampire Diaries is doing very well but it wouldn’t be a good lead in for Life Unexpected which is doing good on a smaller scale. Both shows should be what The CW should be aiming for.

    The Mentalist repeats very well which is maybe a factor, I think it is on too late and would benefit moving to 9pm.

  • http://www.myspace.com/soulstrykamusic SiR

    Great for Fringe, I’m as much of a fan of this show as I am Lie To Me, hopefully they’re both around by next season. I hope the ratings for supernatural is a sign for them to stop after this season, as was intended in the first place…I like the way this season is moving and hopefully Kripke stays faithful to his initial vision.

    Wow whatever that Live For the Moment special was I doubt they’ll be doing that again

  • Jon

    The Vampire Diaries is doing very well but it wouldn’t be a good lead in for Life Unexpected which is doing good on a smaller scale. Both shows should be what The CW should be aiming for.

    The Mentalist repeats very well which is maybe a factor, I think it is on too late and would benefit moving to 9pm.

  • http://www.myspace.com/soulstrykamusic SiR

    Great for Fringe, I’m as much of a fan of this show as I am Lie To Me, hopefully they’re both around by next season. I hope the ratings for supernatural is a sign for them to stop after this season, as was intended in the first place…I like the way this season is moving and hopefully Kripke stays faithful to his initial vision.

    Wow whatever that Live For the Moment special was I doubt they’ll be doing that again

  • Yuri

    GO FRINGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • gdigs

    THE CW NEEDS TO LEARN WHAT IT SHOULD BE AIMING FOR.

    VAMPIRE DIARIES = RIGHT
    MELROSE PLACE = WRONG

    THE REMAKE OF LA FEMME NAKITA ACTUALLY SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA .. WONDERING IF THEY WILL PAIR IT WITH VD and then PAIR the ranch show with life unexpected

  • Yuri

    GO FRINGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • gdigs

    THE CW NEEDS TO LEARN WHAT IT SHOULD BE AIMING FOR.

    VAMPIRE DIARIES = RIGHT
    MELROSE PLACE = WRONG

    THE REMAKE OF LA FEMME NAKITA ACTUALLY SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA .. WONDERING IF THEY WILL PAIR IT WITH VD and then PAIR the ranch show with life unexpected

  • mswood

    As for the CW, the normal problem with the 9pm hour is that the women demo has year round a huge amount of competition. Between Grey’s and the office thats typical 12-14 points in w 18-34.

    The CW needs a show that appeals across the board. Currently thats SN or Smallville.

    But I do think they need to develop something to feel that slot, and then move SN behind SM for a final season next season.

  • mswood

    As for the CW, the normal problem with the 9pm hour is that the women demo has year round a huge amount of competition. Between Grey’s and the office thats typical 12-14 points in w 18-34.

    The CW needs a show that appeals across the board. Currently thats SN or Smallville.

    But I do think they need to develop something to feel that slot, and then move SN behind SM for a final season next season.

  • sammy01

    Bones done me proud again. It is so good being a fan of a show that has had to build its rating over the years, not start off huge then drop year after year.

    3.6 lve it!

  • sammy01

    Bones done me proud again. It is so good being a fan of a show that has had to build its rating over the years, not start off huge then drop year after year.

    3.6 lve it!

  • ChrisA

    I hear ABC are replacing The Deep End with a show about young interns in a crime lab, and all their sexy (mis)adventures.

  • Peter

    Univision #2 ??? Does anyone know exactly what Univision was showing last night? Was there an awards show or some big soccer game on?

  • ChrisA

    I hear ABC are replacing The Deep End with a show about young interns in a crime lab, and all their sexy (mis)adventures.

  • Peter

    Univision #2 ??? Does anyone know exactly what Univision was showing last night? Was there an awards show or some big soccer game on?

  • http://www.cricketmx.com/ battye

    Peter, perhaps even the English viewers switched to Univision to get away from the repeats ;)

  • http://www.cricketmx.com battye

    Peter, perhaps even the English viewers switched to Univision to get away from the repeats ;)

  • Yuri

    We told you, Fox, Fringe would be much better on Tuesday.

  • steve

    i no people are going to go on about them being up agaisnt repeast but great to see bones hit a series high and fringe above a 3

  • Yuri

    We told you, Fox, Fringe would be much better on Tuesday.

  • steve

    i no people are going to go on about them being up agaisnt repeast but great to see bones hit a series high and fringe above a 3

  • Jehu

    Fox won Saturday (Cops, America’s Most Wanted), Sunday (Football), Monday (House, 24), Tuesday (Idol, Human Target), Wednesday (Idol, State of the Union Address) and now Thursday. That’s an incredible run.

  • Jehu

    Fox won Saturday (Cops, America’s Most Wanted), Sunday (Football), Monday (House, 24), Tuesday (Idol, Human Target), Wednesday (Idol, State of the Union Address) and now Thursday. That’s an incredible run.

  • Jacob

    Supernatural’s numbers are honestly embarrassing. It keeps pretending it doesn’t air after a hit show. When Vampire Diaries is up, Supernatural is down and vice versa. Retention-wise, it’s a bad fit. I would put Life Unexpected after Vampire Diaries, since both shows are kind of like the old WB shows.
    And please excuse my english, it’s not my native language.

  • http://www.twitter.com/adrian_e Acey

    I watched The Deep End, and I won’t be doing that again… what a crappy show. The fact that VD effectively beat it is embarrassing, but not of huge concern for ABC since Deep is just filler material. ‘Live For the Moment’ did flop for The Eye, they need to bring back ‘I Get That a Lot’… as long as they don’t overuse it that will bring somewhat decent numbers no matter where they put it. Mentalist repeating well as usual, but the younger skewing Bones and Fringe are the real winners.

  • chrisjozo

    Fringe benefited from the lack of competition and the fact that it was an episode centered on Walter and Peter’s family. Fans love learning about those two.

    Supernatural on the other hand was a stand alone episode like last weeks which fans typically don’t care for as much.

  • Jacob

    Supernatural’s numbers are honestly embarrassing. It keeps pretending it doesn’t air after a hit show. When Vampire Diaries is up, Supernatural is down and vice versa. Retention-wise, it’s a bad fit. I would put Life Unexpected after Vampire Diaries, since both shows are kind of like the old WB shows.
    And please excuse my english, it’s not my native language.

  • http://www.twitter.com/adrian_e Acey

    I watched The Deep End, and I won’t be doing that again… what a crappy show. The fact that VD effectively beat it is embarrassing, but not of huge concern for ABC since Deep is just filler material. ‘Live For the Moment’ did flop for The Eye, they need to bring back ‘I Get That a Lot’… as long as they don’t overuse it that will bring somewhat decent numbers no matter where they put it. Mentalist repeating well as usual, but the younger skewing Bones and Fringe are the real winners.

  • chrisjozo

    Fringe benefited from the lack of competition and the fact that it was an episode centered on Walter and Peter’s family. Fans love learning about those two.

    Supernatural on the other hand was a stand alone episode like last weeks which fans typically don’t care for as much.

  • Dario

    Great numbers for the VD, but what the hell happened to Supernatural? Only 1.2? I expected at leat 1.3 (with VD as lead in)….

  • John

    Anybody else think Bones needs an extra two episodes? Especially after the 15 after the writers strike, they never got the full 22 back. Only got four back last year. Needs four more.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com/ Bill Gorman

    Univision had the same 3 shows last night as they did last Thursday (and I think are its standard Thursday trio). They did a 1.4 18-49 rating overall last Thursday and a 1.8 last night.

  • Dario

    Great numbers for the VD, but what the hell happened to Supernatural? Only 1.2? I expected at leat 1.3 (with VD as lead in)….

  • John

    Anybody else think Bones needs an extra two episodes? Especially after the 15 after the writers strike, they never got the full 22 back. Only got four back last year. Needs four more.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Bill Gorman

    Univision had the same 3 shows last night as they did last Thursday (and I think are its standard Thursday trio). They did a 1.4 18-49 rating overall last Thursday and a 1.8 last night.

  • http://www.twitter.com/adrian_e Acey

    @Jehu Sure, but Sunday was good fortune because it was FOX’s year for the primetime game, CBS repeats for their powerhouse-demo Monday, CBS repeats last night, though a new Mentalist would have been lucky to hit 3.7. The fun ends tonight for FOX.

  • http://www.twitter.com/adrian_e Acey

    @Jehu Sure, but Sunday was good fortune because it was FOX’s year for the primetime game, CBS repeats for their powerhouse-demo Monday, CBS repeats last night, though a new Mentalist would have been lucky to hit 3.7. The fun ends tonight for FOX.

  • Jared

    Good for Fringe.
    At least one of my struggling shows is looking up.

  • Jared

    Good for Fringe.
    At least one of my struggling shows is looking up.

  • thirdsaint

    Isn’t Dollhouse wrapping up tonight or is that still a couple weeks away? That might pull in some additional numbers to help Fox win. Probably not though, haha.

  • thirdsaint

    Isn’t Dollhouse wrapping up tonight or is that still a couple weeks away? That might pull in some additional numbers to help Fox win. Probably not though, haha.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com/ Bill Gorman

    Acey, just to stir the Fox vs. everybody else pot. I’ll give Fox a very good chance of winning the Saturday night ratings, as is typical vs. non-sports competition, and while I’m sure CBS will win Sunday easily with the Grammy’s, I like Fox’s chances to finish second because I’m guessing ABC gets dragged down more vs. CBS.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Bill Gorman

    Acey, just to stir the Fox vs. everybody else pot. I’ll give Fox a very good chance of winning the Saturday night ratings, as is typical vs. non-sports competition, and while I’m sure CBS will win Sunday easily with the Grammy’s, I like Fox’s chances to finish second because I’m guessing ABC gets dragged down more vs. CBS.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com/ Bill Gorman

    Dollhouse finale is tonight. I wouldn’t expect much ratings impact.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Bill Gorman

    Dollhouse finale is tonight. I wouldn’t expect much ratings impact.

  • http://life-2000.blogspot.com/ Dingo

    Yes, thirdsaint, tonight is the Dollhouse finale. One hour early, 8/7 central.

  • http://life-2000.blogspot.com Dingo

    Yes, thirdsaint, tonight is the Dollhouse finale. One hour early, 8/7 central.

  • thirdsaint

    Yeah I kiinda figured that Bill, lol. All the Joss fanboys in the world wouldn’t likely be able to help Fox win tonight.

  • thirdsaint

    Yeah I kiinda figured that Bill, lol. All the Joss fanboys in the world wouldn’t likely be able to help Fox win tonight.

  • http://www.twitter.com/adrian_e Acey

    For example last night, Big Bang repeats at 8, a new CSI OR a new Mentalist, either of those shows being new combined with Big Bang would be enough to average 3.3.

  • Felipe

    TVD is doing what Smallville usually did last season. No big deal, thursday at 8 PM is just an amazing slot for CW.

    On the other hand, SUPERNATURAL is just sucking. Sucking, sucking, sucking. Supernatural lost 200,000 viewers within 30 minutes. Has it become THAT bad?

    The demos are aweful. Look at Smallville on Friday nights, it has the ratings SPN has! Smallville has shown it does not want to die, however Supernatural is just losing viewers.

    However, if the CW moves SPN to friday, I’d say it will do even worse. Around 1.5 million to 2 million range.

    Once ABSOLUTE JUSTICE airs for SV, I can begin to expect ratings above the 3 million range!

  • http://www.twitter.com/adrian_e Acey

    For example last night, Big Bang repeats at 8, a new CSI OR a new Mentalist, either of those shows being new combined with Big Bang would be enough to average 3.3.

  • Felipe

    TVD is doing what Smallville usually did last season. No big deal, thursday at 8 PM is just an amazing slot for CW.

    On the other hand, SUPERNATURAL is just sucking. Sucking, sucking, sucking. Supernatural lost 200,000 viewers within 30 minutes. Has it become THAT bad?

    The demos are aweful. Look at Smallville on Friday nights, it has the ratings SPN has! Smallville has shown it does not want to die, however Supernatural is just losing viewers.

    However, if the CW moves SPN to friday, I’d say it will do even worse. Around 1.5 million to 2 million range.

    Once ABSOLUTE JUSTICE airs for SV, I can begin to expect ratings above the 3 million range!

  • Anonymous

    This was a successful benchmark for FOX. Airing new eps over repeats was a great way to gauge if Fringe was suffering due to people losing interest v. too heavy competition. Looks like Fringe proved to still be a draw. Good for them.

    But is it really a good thing to prove that you can get OK ratings so long as everything else is in repeats? Yes, that’s what the Leno show was going for, but as a general rule, don’t networks want shows that can compete on a regular night?

  • John the Mon

    those demos are actually pretty good for Parks/Community repeats. I might be wrong, but I think they are the highest repeat numbers Parks & recreation has ever had.

  • Holly

    This was a successful benchmark for FOX. Airing new eps over repeats was a great way to gauge if Fringe was suffering due to people losing interest v. too heavy competition. Looks like Fringe proved to still be a draw. Good for them.

    But is it really a good thing to prove that you can get OK ratings so long as everything else is in repeats? Yes, that’s what the Leno show was going for, but as a general rule, don’t networks want shows that can compete on a regular night?

  • John the Mon

    those demos are actually pretty good for Parks/Community repeats. I might be wrong, but I think they are the highest repeat numbers Parks & recreation has ever had.

  • John

    I don’t understand how Craig Ferguson can lose against a rerun of Jimmy Fallon. Craig Ferguson is such a brilliant comedian and his show is so fresh every night, he’s comes very close to the old Coco. Jimmy Fallon seems so nervous and stiff and awkard when he’s doing his show. I don’t know if this is his comedic style, but it seems to me like he still isn’t comfortable being the host of his own show.

  • http://www.ginavera.com/ ChasyChase

    Univison has those telenovelas which are really additing and there are less choices for Latinos to watch Spanish shows so what do you expect.

  • John

    I don’t understand how Craig Ferguson can lose against a rerun of Jimmy Fallon. Craig Ferguson is such a brilliant comedian and his show is so fresh every night, he’s comes very close to the old Coco. Jimmy Fallon seems so nervous and stiff and awkard when he’s doing his show. I don’t know if this is his comedic style, but it seems to me like he still isn’t comfortable being the host of his own show.

  • http://www.ginavera.com ChasyChase

    Univison has those telenovelas which are really additing and there are less choices for Latinos to watch Spanish shows so what do you expect.

  • Bob

    Good for Fringe, I hope this helps its chances for another season (and a timeshift)

  • thirdsaint

    Holly, that might normally be the case but depending on what Fox is looking for it may be enough. It shows them they aren’t losing fans and the show is still doing way better than last year in the slot whether it’s against tough competition or not. Kevin Reilly at Fox seemed real pleased with that side of things so maybe that’s all they need.

  • Bob

    Good for Fringe, I hope this helps its chances for another season (and a timeshift)

  • thirdsaint

    Holly, that might normally be the case but depending on what Fox is looking for it may be enough. It shows them they aren’t losing fans and the show is still doing way better than last year in the slot whether it’s against tough competition or not. Kevin Reilly at Fox seemed real pleased with that side of things so maybe that’s all they need.

  • Chuck Tranberg

    Unlike Conan’s Tonight Show–nobody seems to be tuning into Jay’s final lame shows.

  • Chuck Tranberg

    Unlike Conan’s Tonight Show–nobody seems to be tuning into Jay’s final lame shows.

  • mswood

    Jacob

    While it is true that SN does follow the CW strongest performer, but typically (and this week wasn’t typical and in that regard it failed, no question) the area in which VD is so successful is the demo that goes to Grey’s Anatomy and to the Office (in numbers far, far higher then anything the CW has ever aired). SN builds on its VD males audience but the women go else where.

    The question is could the CW air a female driven show (which is everything else they have expect Smallville) and hold against two shows that dominate the audeince that the CW is after (women, and specifically women 18-34).

    So far the CW has not been willing to gamble on that. But we have seen with Gossip Girl and with Top Model that when they go against a network hit that performs well in that Demo they take huge hits.

    For example Glee killed Top Model this season (and its w18-34 is less then Grey’s), and that was previously the CW strongest performer.

    Gossip Girl got killed when it moved against House (another show with a strong female audience, hitting season lows in its demo’s).

  • mswood

    Jacob

    While it is true that SN does follow the CW strongest performer, but typically (and this week wasn’t typical and in that regard it failed, no question) the area in which VD is so successful is the demo that goes to Grey’s Anatomy and to the Office (in numbers far, far higher then anything the CW has ever aired). SN builds on its VD males audience but the women go else where.

    The question is could the CW air a female driven show (which is everything else they have expect Smallville) and hold against two shows that dominate the audeince that the CW is after (women, and specifically women 18-34).

    So far the CW has not been willing to gamble on that. But we have seen with Gossip Girl and with Top Model that when they go against a network hit that performs well in that Demo they take huge hits.

    For example Glee killed Top Model this season (and its w18-34 is less then Grey’s), and that was previously the CW strongest performer.

    Gossip Girl got killed when it moved against House (another show with a strong female audience, hitting season lows in its demo’s).

  • Anonymous

    @thirdsaint,

    I do kind of agree, but I still think “we don’t completely suck against repeats” isn’t that strong of an endorsement…

  • Holly

    @thirdsaint,

    I do kind of agree, but I still think “we don’t completely suck against repeats” isn’t that strong of an endorsement…

  • Hans

    Why is everyone calling Vampire Diaries a hit? Last season Smallville did 4.21 M and 1.7/5 on that same night and no one called it a hit. And Supernatural did 3.57 M and 1.6/4, so it’s bad ratings aren’t just because it is having a bad season, it just does not work with Vampire Diaries.

  • Hans

    Why is everyone calling Vampire Diaries a hit? Last season Smallville did 4.21 M and 1.7/5 on that same night and no one called it a hit. And Supernatural did 3.57 M and 1.6/4, so it’s bad ratings aren’t just because it is having a bad season, it just does not work with Vampire Diaries.

  • mswood

    Felippe

    Supernatural since almost day one done that, in fact in many cases far more. Nor is it uncommon for any of the shows that the CW airs (especially in the 9pm hour, when most nets put out their big guns).

  • mswood

    Felippe

    Supernatural since almost day one done that, in fact in many cases far more. Nor is it uncommon for any of the shows that the CW airs (especially in the 9pm hour, when most nets put out their big guns).

  • shelly

    Leno was not a repeat, George 11.

  • shelly

    Leno was not a repeat, George 11.

  • thirdsaint

    Haha Holly, I agree. But then again this year has been anything but typical in a lot of ways. Ratings that would normally kill shows quickly have them in ‘good’ standing on certain networks. :-P

  • John

    Hans, Smallville had 7 years of fans behind it, The Vampire Diaries doesn’t.

  • thirdsaint

    Haha Holly, I agree. But then again this year has been anything but typical in a lot of ways. Ratings that would normally kill shows quickly have them in ‘good’ standing on certain networks. :-P

  • John

    Hans, Smallville had 7 years of fans behind it, The Vampire Diaries doesn’t.

  • DMPJ

    I find it interesting that so many fans of the CW have apparently been asleep lately: one of the most critically acclaimed new shows in recent memory has aired on 2 consecutive Mondays with hardly a notice. If CW supporters are looking for something to crow about, start watching Life Unexpected. It is a far cry from the mind-numbing nonsense that the network usually serves up as the main nightly menu.

  • http://twitter.com/nickyoung665 nick

    I bet if Supernatural went to 8 and VD to 9 the ratings for Supernatural would go up. I think its just the fact its up against so much on Thursday, the show itself has never been better

  • DMPJ

    I find it interesting that so many fans of the CW have apparently been asleep lately: one of the most critically acclaimed new shows in recent memory has aired on 2 consecutive Mondays with hardly a notice. If CW supporters are looking for something to crow about, start watching Life Unexpected. It is a far cry from the mind-numbing nonsense that the network usually serves up as the main nightly menu.

  • http://twitter.com/nickyoung665 nick

    I bet if Supernatural went to 8 and VD to 9 the ratings for Supernatural would go up. I think its just the fact its up against so much on Thursday, the show itself has never been better

  • Nightstar

    Congrats to Univision for its strong showing in what is definitely one wiiiiillld and craaaazyyyy night! (bow to Steve Martin). Second place, that made my day right there. Good for them, regardless of how they got there. NBC, ABC, CW running side-by-side on the ratings race track… that is comical.

    Not the least bit surprised about the Jay Leno Show. The damage has been done to that show, may as well pull it for repeats of something that people want to watch or just run an infomercial, at least then money would be made. I’m not sure how well/ill that bodes for Leno’s return to the Tonight Show and heaven help him, his crew, and the folks in management who moved him back to that spot after the Leno/NBC/affiliates/Comcast/Conan catastrophe (not listed in any specific order of importance, just FYI) if his return to the Tonight Show don’t improve the ratings at that place after the curiosity factor has played out.

    The Deep End… not much else to say about that one. Just the previews ads were painful for me to watch. It’s gone as quick as ABC can figure out how to vanish its act.

  • Nightstar

    Congrats to Univision for its strong showing in what is definitely one wiiiiillld and craaaazyyyy night! (bow to Steve Martin). Second place, that made my day right there. Good for them, regardless of how they got there. NBC, ABC, CW running side-by-side on the ratings race track… that is comical.

    Not the least bit surprised about the Jay Leno Show. The damage has been done to that show, may as well pull it for repeats of something that people want to watch or just run an infomercial, at least then money would be made. I’m not sure how well/ill that bodes for Leno’s return to the Tonight Show and heaven help him, his crew, and the folks in management who moved him back to that spot after the Leno/NBC/affiliates/Comcast/Conan catastrophe (not listed in any specific order of importance, just FYI) if his return to the Tonight Show don’t improve the ratings at that place after the curiosity factor has played out.

    The Deep End… not much else to say about that one. Just the previews ads were painful for me to watch. It’s gone as quick as ABC can figure out how to vanish its act.

  • JR

    I watched “Bones” last night (first full episode I’ve watche)- it was pretty good. Nice ratings.

  • JR

    I watched “Bones” last night (first full episode I’ve watche)- it was pretty good. Nice ratings.

  • rob

    The Deep End stayed about the same as last week. wow at Vampire Diaries. that show is a real hit for CW.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com/ Bill Gorman

    Hans, Smallville averaged a 1.4 adults 18-49 rating last season (including repeats), Supernatural averaged a 1.2 rating. I do not have their new episode ratings averages.

    Vampire Diaries is most definitely a hit for the CW in the only season that matters, this one. It’s adults 18-49 average (with repeats) is 30% above second place Supernatural’s. (not counting Life Unexpected in that list as yet)

  • rob

    The Deep End stayed about the same as last week. wow at Vampire Diaries. that show is a real hit for CW.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Bill Gorman

    Hans, Smallville averaged a 1.4 adults 18-49 rating last season (including repeats), Supernatural averaged a 1.2 rating. I do not have their new episode ratings averages.

    Vampire Diaries is most definitely a hit for the CW in the only season that matters, this one. It’s adults 18-49 average (with repeats) is 30% above second place Supernatural’s. (not counting Life Unexpected in that list as yet)

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com/ Bill Gorman

    shelly, are you certain Leno was a repeat last night? Our, usually very good, information has it as an original.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Bill Gorman

    shelly, are you certain Leno was a repeat last night? Our, usually very good, information has it as an original.

  • Felipe

    “Felippe

    Supernatural since almost day one done that, in fact in many cases far more. Nor is it uncommon for any of the shows that the CW airs (especially in the 9pm hour, when most nets put out their big guns).

    —————————————————-
    What the hell are you trying to say??

    “Hans, Smallville had 7 years of fans behind it, The Vampire Diaries doesn’t.”
    —————————-
    And yet Smallville’s season 8′s first ten episodes were above 4 million with demos around 1.8/1.9!!

  • Felipe

    “Felippe

    Supernatural since almost day one done that, in fact in many cases far more. Nor is it uncommon for any of the shows that the CW airs (especially in the 9pm hour, when most nets put out their big guns).

    —————————————————-
    What the hell are you trying to say??

    “Hans, Smallville had 7 years of fans behind it, The Vampire Diaries doesn’t.”
    —————————-
    And yet Smallville’s season 8′s first ten episodes were above 4 million with demos around 1.8/1.9!!

  • Felipe

    To Bill Gorman:

    “Hans, Smallville averaged a 1.4 adults 18-49 rating last season (including repeats), Supernatural averaged a 1.2 rating. I do not have their new episode ratings averages.”

    Okay.. but if you were to compare the first ten episodes of season 8 of SV to the first ten episodes of TVD.. ^^ You’d see who did better! Clearly SMALLVILLE!! WOOHOO!!

  • Felipe

    To Bill Gorman:

    “Hans, Smallville averaged a 1.4 adults 18-49 rating last season (including repeats), Supernatural averaged a 1.2 rating. I do not have their new episode ratings averages.”

    Okay.. but if you were to compare the first ten episodes of season 8 of SV to the first ten episodes of TVD.. ^^ You’d see who did better! Clearly SMALLVILLE!! WOOHOO!!

  • mswood

    Hans

    Last year SN hit huge, huge numbers on the year ago (it wasn’t typical, in fact it was the 2nd highest episode of the season), two years ago it did 2.98 1.2 and 1.2 (both demo groups). Which is far more in line with spring numbers since its move to the CW.

    Why VD is considered a hit at Smallville less of one is that in adults 18-34 (VD is much stronger). Smallville did 1.5 last year (that’s what SN has been managing, though wont this week), and in the w 18-34 that the CW markets specifically to Smallville didn’t do anywhere near as well. It would score 1.3-1.6 typically. Compare that to VD which scores typically about a 2.5).

  • mswood

    Hans

    Last year SN hit huge, huge numbers on the year ago (it wasn’t typical, in fact it was the 2nd highest episode of the season), two years ago it did 2.98 1.2 and 1.2 (both demo groups). Which is far more in line with spring numbers since its move to the CW.

    Why VD is considered a hit at Smallville less of one is that in adults 18-34 (VD is much stronger). Smallville did 1.5 last year (that’s what SN has been managing, though wont this week), and in the w 18-34 that the CW markets specifically to Smallville didn’t do anywhere near as well. It would score 1.3-1.6 typically. Compare that to VD which scores typically about a 2.5).

  • Ali

    These are all good numbers and all but ABB & CBS are mostly repeats so dont get too excited for Fringe!

  • Alison

    Hooray for The Mentalist! Another good night ratings wise! Why no credit for the fact that it got two million more viewers than CSI? It also got twice as many viewers as Greys Anatomy which is on an hour earlier!

    I wonder why it repeats alot better than some shows? Perhaps because although many people don’t rate it (especially on this site – it barely gets a mention) it actually is a fantastic show that people can watch and enjoy again and again (and it doesn’t matter how old they are!)

    It was one of my fave episodes last night where Patrick escapes out of prison with a mouse! Can’t wait for a new episode next week.

  • Anonymous

    The CW isn’t last, but it’s not saying much when you’re behind a spanish-speaking network and trail in both key demos. It’s probably losing among women in that group, too. It’ only did well because other than FOX, nothing else is on.

    That said, isn’t there a better night for Supernatural? Monday? Pair it with Smallville?

    Always good to see Bones cruise to a victory.

  • Ali

    These are all good numbers and all but ABB & CBS are mostly repeats so dont get too excited for Fringe!

  • Alison

    Hooray for The Mentalist! Another good night ratings wise! Why no credit for the fact that it got two million more viewers than CSI? It also got twice as many viewers as Greys Anatomy which is on an hour earlier!

    I wonder why it repeats alot better than some shows? Perhaps because although many people don’t rate it (especially on this site – it barely gets a mention) it actually is a fantastic show that people can watch and enjoy again and again (and it doesn’t matter how old they are!)

    It was one of my fave episodes last night where Patrick escapes out of prison with a mouse! Can’t wait for a new episode next week.

  • Kareem

    The CW isn’t last, but it’s not saying much when you’re behind a spanish-speaking network and trail in both key demos. It’s probably losing among women in that group, too. It’ only did well because other than FOX, nothing else is on.

    That said, isn’t there a better night for Supernatural? Monday? Pair it with Smallville?

    Always good to see Bones cruise to a victory.

  • Brandon

    Glad to see Fringe’s ratings up, although they were up against only reruns. What will be telling is its ratings next week when the other shows come back.

  • Brandon

    Glad to see Fringe’s ratings up, although they were up against only reruns. What will be telling is its ratings next week when the other shows come back.

  • http://twitter.com/nickyoung665 nick

    I think we can all agree that VD, Supernatural, and Smallville are the only real “winners” CW has anyways.

  • http://twitter.com/nickyoung665 nick

    I think we can all agree that VD, Supernatural, and Smallville are the only real “winners” CW has anyways.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com/ Bill Gorman

    Alison, repeat ratings do not interest me, that’s why I don’t mention them typically, but they’re in the table for big fans like you!

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Bill Gorman

    Alison, repeat ratings do not interest me, that’s why I don’t mention them typically, but they’re in the table for big fans like you!

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com/ Bill Gorman

    Kareem, last night was topsy turvy in many ways, but not in one. Univision beats the CW almost every night in the 18-49 and 18-34 demos. What’s unique about last night is that Univision tied CBS and beat NBC and ABC (even with lots of repeats).

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Bill Gorman

    Kareem, last night was topsy turvy in many ways, but not in one. Univision beats the CW almost every night in the 18-49 and 18-34 demos. What’s unique about last night is that Univision tied CBS and beat NBC and ABC (even with lots of repeats).

  • Tar

    nick GG beats them all in women 18-34 (maybe ties VD)

  • Tar

    nick GG beats them all in women 18-34 (maybe ties VD)

  • paul

    Tar, actually VD is ahead of GG in Women 18-34;)

  • paul

    Tar, actually VD is ahead of GG in Women 18-34;)

  • j

    Nope, I would say that Top Model & Gossip Girl are winners with young women, while supe/small aren’t.

  • j

    Nope, I would say that Top Model & Gossip Girl are winners with young women, while supe/small aren’t.

  • mswood

    Felipe

    Yes in some measures Smallville was stronger, but (and the but is huge) the CW markets to the 18-34 demo group (not the 18-49 demo group). Thus that is the measure that is the important demo group (and then even more specifically the w18-34). And in those groups VD is performing far stronger.

    For adults 18-49 Smallville had a small lead over VD of .08 over VD (and again this isn’t the primary revenue point for the CW).

    For adults 18-34 VD has a larger lead of .2 over Smallville (and difference nearly three times larger then SV’s lead in adults 18-49.

    Then in w18-34 (the key demo group of the CW) it isn’t even close. With VD having a current average of 2.82 which is over a full point stronger then SV had (to get more specific would take more research it would probably be closer to 1.2 or 1.3 points higher on average).

  • mswood

    Felipe

    Yes in some measures Smallville was stronger, but (and the but is huge) the CW markets to the 18-34 demo group (not the 18-49 demo group). Thus that is the measure that is the important demo group (and then even more specifically the w18-34). And in those groups VD is performing far stronger.

    For adults 18-49 Smallville had a small lead over VD of .08 over VD (and again this isn’t the primary revenue point for the CW).

    For adults 18-34 VD has a larger lead of .2 over Smallville (and difference nearly three times larger then SV’s lead in adults 18-49.

    Then in w18-34 (the key demo group of the CW) it isn’t even close. With VD having a current average of 2.82 which is over a full point stronger then SV had (to get more specific would take more research it would probably be closer to 1.2 or 1.3 points higher on average).

  • bob

    CW beat NBC and ABC… wow

  • bob

    CW beat NBC and ABC… wow

  • Jaytrann516

    Wow for bones. Those are some impressive numbers! And go fringe! Awesome shows!

  • Jaytrann516

    Wow for bones. Those are some impressive numbers! And go fringe! Awesome shows!

  • shelly

    Bill, I said Leno was NOT a repeat (which I know because my parents still watch him…retch).

  • shelly

    Bill, I said Leno was NOT a repeat (which I know because my parents still watch him…retch).

  • Lu

    Competition or no competition, Bones is doing great.

  • Lu

    Competition or no competition, Bones is doing great.

  • Alison

    Thanks Bill – I appreciate that!

    Forgot to mention I am really looking forward to Lost next week. I just hope I can remember what has happened previously and understand it. Although not having a clue about what is going on is half the fun of watching it!!.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com/ Bill Gorman

    shelly, reading error mine! That’s always the way to bet! ;)

  • Alison

    Thanks Bill – I appreciate that!

    Forgot to mention I am really looking forward to Lost next week. I just hope I can remember what has happened previously and understand it. Although not having a clue about what is going on is half the fun of watching it!!.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Bill Gorman

    shelly, reading error mine! That’s always the way to bet! ;)

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  • mswood

    Originals (final numbers)

    CW w18-34

    Smallville .867
    Beautiful Life 1.00
    Supernatural 1.5
    Melrose Place 1.508
    Life Unexpected 2.2
    90210 2.258
    One Tree Hill 2.308
    Top Model 2.645
    Gossip Girls 2.745
    Vampire Diaries 2.818

  • mswood

    Originals (final numbers)

    CW w18-34

    Smallville .867
    Beautiful Life 1.00
    Supernatural 1.5
    Melrose Place 1.508
    Life Unexpected 2.2
    90210 2.258
    One Tree Hill 2.308
    Top Model 2.645
    Gossip Girls 2.745
    Vampire Diaries 2.818

  • thirdsaint

    Alison, they always have a recap episode before the premiere don’t they? I think you’ll be fine on that front for Lost. ;-) I’m looking forward to it too but I have to quickly finish Season 5 on DVD!

  • thirdsaint

    Alison, they always have a recap episode before the premiere don’t they? I think you’ll be fine on that front for Lost. ;-) I’m looking forward to it too but I have to quickly finish Season 5 on DVD!

  • val

    Holy moly Univision.

    And hurray for Bones and Fringe

    I may be alone in hating ABC here(I know NBC is probably the most hated) but I can’t stand one show on ABC now that Ugly Betty is going. So I am thrilled The Deep End(yeah I’ve watched it – another lawyer show – yawn) and it’s terrible. But can I relish that the ABC repeats were beat pretty heavily by ABC repeats and even beat for the most part by NBC repeats.

  • val

    Holy moly Univision.

    And hurray for Bones and Fringe

    I may be alone in hating ABC here(I know NBC is probably the most hated) but I can’t stand one show on ABC now that Ugly Betty is going. So I am thrilled The Deep End(yeah I’ve watched it – another lawyer show – yawn) and it’s terrible. But can I relish that the ABC repeats were beat pretty heavily by ABC repeats and even beat for the most part by NBC repeats.

  • val

    correction – ABC Repeats beat by CBS and NBC repeats

  • val

    correction – ABC Repeats beat by CBS and NBC repeats

  • mike

    Fringe should be a given to get a 3rd season. FOX would be stupid to kill off this gem

  • mike

    Fringe should be a given to get a 3rd season. FOX would be stupid to kill off this gem

  • Kami

    I am just curious why repeats of Grey and PP don’t seem to do well. Is it because of the serial nature of the shows where with CSI or THe Mentalist the stories are relatively self contained in one episode.

  • Kami

    I am just curious why repeats of Grey and PP don’t seem to do well. Is it because of the serial nature of the shows where with CSI or THe Mentalist the stories are relatively self contained in one episode.

  • Kami

    Just a question for Bill or Robert

    I know NBC is ordering a lot of pilots for this upcoming season.

    How many pilots on average does an broadcast network order each season?

    And with Cable now airing more scripted shows, are there more pilots being ordered overall across all the networks(broadcast or cable) than there were say 20 years ago?

    It just seems bad for me to say that all the new shows at least 1 hour dramas whether on cable or broadcast TV are either medical, crime, or law shows. It’s why I like friday night lights(I guess I am one of the few seeing the ratings for them)

    I am actually a bit interested in Parenthood which I assume is more of a dramedy like Ed was than Drama. At least it’s not the same old 1 hour drama type.

  • Kami

    Just a question for Bill or Robert

    I know NBC is ordering a lot of pilots for this upcoming season.

    How many pilots on average does an broadcast network order each season?

    And with Cable now airing more scripted shows, are there more pilots being ordered overall across all the networks(broadcast or cable) than there were say 20 years ago?

    It just seems bad for me to say that all the new shows at least 1 hour dramas whether on cable or broadcast TV are either medical, crime, or law shows. It’s why I like friday night lights(I guess I am one of the few seeing the ratings for them)

    I am actually a bit interested in Parenthood which I assume is more of a dramedy like Ed was than Drama. At least it’s not the same old 1 hour drama type.

  • F.

    Perhaps it’s all the hub-bub surrounding the recent Late Shift 2.0 debacle that’s hurt this concept, but part of NBC’s whole reasoning behind Leno at 10P was to compete against all the reruns. Look at the ratings last night – Leno lost against the reruns…

  • F.

    Perhaps it’s all the hub-bub surrounding the recent Late Shift 2.0 debacle that’s hurt this concept, but part of NBC’s whole reasoning behind Leno at 10P was to compete against all the reruns. Look at the ratings last night – Leno lost against the reruns…

  • Jack

    How bad is USA beating Jay Leno in the 9 pm slot?

  • Jack

    How bad is USA beating Jay Leno in the 9 pm slot?

  • Stella

    Next week Bones will be broadcast a day earlier in Canada and Survivor returns

    I’m worried but curious about Bones’ ratings

  • Stella

    Next week Bones will be broadcast a day earlier in Canada and Survivor returns

    I’m worried but curious about Bones’ ratings

  • http://iamnoahjames.com/ nkinsey

    Holly- It isn’t GREAT, I have to admit; BUT I do think that FOX wanted to see if the Fringe audience was just leaving. If anything, if they decided to move Fringe to a different TP, this would give them relief to know they aren’t moving a show with no audience (like what ABC did with Ugly Betty moving to Wednesday). That was my point in this. Do I think they’d move the show? No. But at least they know people still watch the show.

  • http://twitter.com/nickyoung665 nick

    Tar I was just thinking that with total viewers VD, Smallivlle, and Supernatural were the only winners but I cant really say thats true because I dont keep up with their ratings the only show I like on CW is Supernatural.

  • http://iamnoahjames.com nkinsey

    Holly- It isn’t GREAT, I have to admit; BUT I do think that FOX wanted to see if the Fringe audience was just leaving. If anything, if they decided to move Fringe to a different TP, this would give them relief to know they aren’t moving a show with no audience (like what ABC did with Ugly Betty moving to Wednesday). That was my point in this. Do I think they’d move the show? No. But at least they know people still watch the show.

  • http://twitter.com/nickyoung665 nick

    Tar I was just thinking that with total viewers VD, Smallivlle, and Supernatural were the only winners but I cant really say thats true because I dont keep up with their ratings the only show I like on CW is Supernatural.

  • Terry (with a G)

    Go Bones! Go Fringe!
    Of course, I’m still fond of Lie to Me.
    Fox, can’t we have both?

  • Terry (with a G)

    Go Bones! Go Fringe!
    Of course, I’m still fond of Lie to Me.
    Fox, can’t we have both?

  • Terry (with a G)

    Bill,
    Might there be a later post with the ratings for Project Runway? Or is there not enough interest?

  • Terry (with a G)

    Bill,
    Might there be a later post with the ratings for Project Runway? Or is there not enough interest?

  • Shana

    @Alison & thirdsaint

    Lost is indeed running a recap show at 8PM before the 2 hour premiere at 9PM. I’m sure it will recap not only S5 but probably all other seasons of the show since this will be their final season. Too bad ABC didn’t really air proper commercials for last weeks S5 2 part finale repeat (maybe they did but I didn’t see any and randomly stumbled upon hour 2 of it) because they had a little pop-up box at the bottom (a la VH1s pop-up video) that basically tied things in that episode to things that were shown S1-4. Kinda cool if you forgot some of the details of the show.

    YAY Bones and Fringe. Glad FOX decided to air new shows during these bleak repeat weeks on most broadcast stations. I think unless Fringe tanks in the ratings in April, it looks good for another season. FOX programming guys (via inside sources) seem to like what it has been putting up number-wise on Thursdays and want to keep it around. Of course they wouldn’t have final sign off, so hope it comes back strong in April. Also nice to see Bones do so well even if it is against repeats.

  • Shana

    @Alison & thirdsaint

    Lost is indeed running a recap show at 8PM before the 2 hour premiere at 9PM. I’m sure it will recap not only S5 but probably all other seasons of the show since this will be their final season. Too bad ABC didn’t really air proper commercials for last weeks S5 2 part finale repeat (maybe they did but I didn’t see any and randomly stumbled upon hour 2 of it) because they had a little pop-up box at the bottom (a la VH1s pop-up video) that basically tied things in that episode to things that were shown S1-4. Kinda cool if you forgot some of the details of the show.

    YAY Bones and Fringe. Glad FOX decided to air new shows during these bleak repeat weeks on most broadcast stations. I think unless Fringe tanks in the ratings in April, it looks good for another season. FOX programming guys (via inside sources) seem to like what it has been putting up number-wise on Thursdays and want to keep it around. Of course they wouldn’t have final sign off, so hope it comes back strong in April. Also nice to see Bones do so well even if it is against repeats.

  • Smallville # 1 Fan

    I hope Smallville does well tonight! I expect around 2.6 milion.. but next week I expect well over 3 million!

  • Smallville # 1 Fan

    I hope Smallville does well tonight! I expect around 2.6 milion.. but next week I expect well over 3 million!

  • shelly

    S’all good, Bill. :)

    UGH at The Deep End. Why oh why can’t someone give Clancy Brown a worthwhile project? He’s too talented for this sludge – he played Byron Hadley *and* Mr. Krabs for fark’s sake! Too bad he couldn’t have gotten a role on The Good Wife instead.

    Excuse me while I go wear out my Earth 2 dvds.

  • http://episodeguides.blogspot.com/2010/01/castle-watch-full-episodes.html makulit

    Clap clap clap! Bones! Am I reading this right? More people watched Bones after the half hour? Thought that was strange unless that has always been the case. I didn’t really start looking at those numbers until recently.

    I absolutely enjoy watching this show. Though I did notice in last night’s episode that they reverted back to the old style of music playing in the background as Brennan examines the bones. By the way, when are they airing the 100th episode? From what I’ve heard, the story’s going to be about Bones and Booth’s first meeting. That should be interesting. Anyway, looking forward to next Thursday’s ep. The preview already made me laugh.

  • shelly

    S’all good, Bill. :)

    UGH at The Deep End. Why oh why can’t someone give Clancy Brown a worthwhile project? He’s too talented for this sludge – he played Byron Hadley *and* Mr. Krabs for fark’s sake! Too bad he couldn’t have gotten a role on The Good Wife instead.

    Excuse me while I go wear out my Earth 2 dvds.

  • http://episodeguides.blogspot.com/2010/01/castle-watch-full-episodes.html makulit

    Clap clap clap! Bones! Am I reading this right? More people watched Bones after the half hour? Thought that was strange unless that has always been the case. I didn’t really start looking at those numbers until recently.

    I absolutely enjoy watching this show. Though I did notice in last night’s episode that they reverted back to the old style of music playing in the background as Brennan examines the bones. By the way, when are they airing the 100th episode? From what I’ve heard, the story’s going to be about Bones and Booth’s first meeting. That should be interesting. Anyway, looking forward to next Thursday’s ep. The preview already made me laugh.

  • dave

    i was expecting a 2.2 for Vampire Diaries and a 4.4 millino viewers
    supernatural has jumped the shark i hope it will be its last season

  • dave

    i was expecting a 2.2 for Vampire Diaries and a 4.4 millino viewers
    supernatural has jumped the shark i hope it will be its last season

  • Judy

    I am with you Alison, The Mentalist pulls good ratings even for repeat episodes. Besides winning it’s time slot, it pulled the second highest ratings for the night after a first run “Bones” episode. It still seems to also hold on to the most watched series at the 10PM hour of the week even in repeats.

    I am so thankful to CBS and Bruno Heller for bringing this series to TV. I knew the moment I saw the first preview of The Mentalist for the new 2008 fall season in July that year, that The Mentalist was a series I would tryly enjoy. Of course that charming Simon Baker didn’t hurt any either. Never watched his prior series, The Guardian or SMITH when they originally aired, but since his work as Patrick Jane in The Mentalist I have purchased both series on DVD. Can’t seem to get enough of his talents now. Simon Baker is so captivating and has me complelely enthralled!!

  • Judy

    I am with you Alison, The Mentalist pulls good ratings even for repeat episodes. Besides winning it’s time slot, it pulled the second highest ratings for the night after a first run “Bones” episode. It still seems to also hold on to the most watched series at the 10PM hour of the week even in repeats.

    I am so thankful to CBS and Bruno Heller for bringing this series to TV. I knew the moment I saw the first preview of The Mentalist for the new 2008 fall season in July that year, that The Mentalist was a series I would tryly enjoy. Of course that charming Simon Baker didn’t hurt any either. Never watched his prior series, The Guardian or SMITH when they originally aired, but since his work as Patrick Jane in The Mentalist I have purchased both series on DVD. Can’t seem to get enough of his talents now. Simon Baker is so captivating and has me complelely enthralled!!

  • Ash

    Yay for Bones!!! Best show EVER!!!

  • Ash

    Yay for Bones!!! Best show EVER!!!

  • Alex

    The Deep End was a disaster from the start… Tired concept, lifeless hair models trying to “act”, lots of skin, etc. When will the networks understand that people want QUALITY shows? Great writing and great actors usually find a way into the public’s preferences. Just look at The Good Wife, Mad Men and Dexter. The lead roles are played by ACTORS and ACTRESSES who are more than a hot bod and pretty hair. And the writing is tops.

  • Alex

    The Deep End was a disaster from the start… Tired concept, lifeless hair models trying to “act”, lots of skin, etc. When will the networks understand that people want QUALITY shows? Great writing and great actors usually find a way into the public’s preferences. Just look at The Good Wife, Mad Men and Dexter. The lead roles are played by ACTORS and ACTRESSES who are more than a hot bod and pretty hair. And the writing is tops.

  • Stefan

    This has been a pretty boring week for television – tomorrow, all networks finally begin with new programming!

    I just feel bad for B&S and DH, two of my favorite series – they can’t catch a break.
    Two weeks ago they were up against the Golden Globes, last week preempted by football, now they’re up against the Grammys and when they come back February 21, they’ll be competing with the Olympics :/
    I just hope ABC won’t air a new episode March 7 – against the Oscars.

    They really have no luck this season, especially B&S now that Rob Lowe’s leaving…

  • Stefan

    This has been a pretty boring week for television – tomorrow, all networks finally begin with new programming!

    I just feel bad for B&S and DH, two of my favorite series – they can’t catch a break.
    Two weeks ago they were up against the Golden Globes, last week preempted by football, now they’re up against the Grammys and when they come back February 21, they’ll be competing with the Olympics :/
    I just hope ABC won’t air a new episode March 7 – against the Oscars.

    They really have no luck this season, especially B&S now that Rob Lowe’s leaving…

  • shelly

    Alex, I haven’t watched The Deep End but your thought about the actors being ‘lifeless hair models’ is a tad unfair. As stated in my post above, Clancy Brown is hardly that – he’s a character actor who has been working for decades now (most people probably know him as Byron Hadley from Shawshank Redemption). And I don’t know about the rest of the younger cast but you can’t say the same about Tina Majorino either who was a child actress and has done everything from Corrina, Corrina to Veronica Mars and Big Love.

    But I do agree with you that it seems like it’s a horribly written show.

  • shelly

    Alex, I haven’t watched The Deep End but your thought about the actors being ‘lifeless hair models’ is a tad unfair. As stated in my post above, Clancy Brown is hardly that – he’s a character actor who has been working for decades now (most people probably know him as Byron Hadley from Shawshank Redemption). And I don’t know about the rest of the younger cast but you can’t say the same about Tina Majorino either who was a child actress and has done everything from Corrina, Corrina to Veronica Mars and Big Love.

    But I do agree with you that it seems like it’s a horribly written show.

  • Shana

    @makulit

    The Bones (and Fringe) winter finales are next week, then they return in April. The 100th ep of Bones is scheduled for 4/8 and I think they return on 4/1 but don’t quote me on that (I know that’s when Fringe starts new eps).

    Also glad to see Bones gain more viewers in the 2nd half hour- would be awesome if they could say in the mid 3s when new eps of Survivor is its direct competition.

  • Shana

    @makulit

    The Bones (and Fringe) winter finales are next week, then they return in April. The 100th ep of Bones is scheduled for 4/8 and I think they return on 4/1 but don’t quote me on that (I know that’s when Fringe starts new eps).

    Also glad to see Bones gain more viewers in the 2nd half hour- would be awesome if they could say in the mid 3s when new eps of Survivor is its direct competition.

  • MaryJaneGunragsen

    Would NBC please consider getting rid of PR, so the good shows aren’t adversely effected and blamed.

  • MaryJaneGunragsen

    Would NBC please consider getting rid of PR, so the good shows aren’t adversely effected and blamed.

  • Tks

    Haha abc this is what you get for canceling Eastwick and Ugly Betty. I don’t understand why more girls don’t watch Supernatural. Those guys are hotties and the storyline just gets better and better. I like VD ok but not even nearly as much as Supernatural.

  • Tks

    Haha abc this is what you get for canceling Eastwick and Ugly Betty. I don’t understand why more girls don’t watch Supernatural. Those guys are hotties and the storyline just gets better and better. I like VD ok but not even nearly as much as Supernatural.

  • Alison

    Judy – I of course completely agree with you! Smith and The Guardian were both fab shows. The Guardian was an especially good series – it ran for three years and got ratings of 13 million which in 2003 were considered terrible and so it was cancelled – how times change. Simon has also been in a few films (check them out on imdb.com) but The Mentalist is by far his best role.

  • Alison

    Judy – I of course completely agree with you! Smith and The Guardian were both fab shows. The Guardian was an especially good series – it ran for three years and got ratings of 13 million which in 2003 were considered terrible and so it was cancelled – how times change. Simon has also been in a few films (check them out on imdb.com) but The Mentalist is by far his best role.

  • Empire

    Glad to see both Bones and Fringe do well, hopefully this shows Fox that Fringe is a strong enough series, and has the legs to keep running.

  • Empire

    Glad to see both Bones and Fringe do well, hopefully this shows Fox that Fringe is a strong enough series, and has the legs to keep running.

  • Alex

    Stefan, I feel your pain about DH and B&S… but not for the same reasons. It just pains me to see FORMERLY great shows run into the ground by bad writing, idiotic plots and network neglect. Brothers & Sisters in particular is a sorry mess right now; I’m not surprised Callista Flockhart and Rob Lowe are bolting! Callista’s character is unrecognizable right now, surely NOT what she signed on at the start of the show (when Jon Baitz was in charge of writing). In my opinion the show jumped the shark twice last season and never recovered. First the idiotic decision to reverse Rebecca being a Walker daughter, and then to get rid of Tommy (an original WALKER sibling) in favor of showcasing cliched, marginal characters like grinning idiot Scotty and soap-opera mistress Holly. EPIC FAIL… I stopped watching earlier this year, but it still pains me to see what a once excellent show has become.

  • Alex

    Stefan, I feel your pain about DH and B&S… but not for the same reasons. It just pains me to see FORMERLY great shows run into the ground by bad writing, idiotic plots and network neglect. Brothers & Sisters in particular is a sorry mess right now; I’m not surprised Callista Flockhart and Rob Lowe are bolting! Callista’s character is unrecognizable right now, surely NOT what she signed on at the start of the show (when Jon Baitz was in charge of writing). In my opinion the show jumped the shark twice last season and never recovered. First the idiotic decision to reverse Rebecca being a Walker daughter, and then to get rid of Tommy (an original WALKER sibling) in favor of showcasing cliched, marginal characters like grinning idiot Scotty and soap-opera mistress Holly. EPIC FAIL… I stopped watching earlier this year, but it still pains me to see what a once excellent show has become.

  • carree

    Yea, Bones and Mentalist.

  • carree

    Yea, Bones and Mentalist.

  • http://twitter.com/adrian_e Acey

    Yeah the Deep End writers must have thought sex was enough to make the show good. But there’s literally no other story. I was expecting more.

  • http://twitter.com/adrian_e Acey

    Yeah the Deep End writers must have thought sex was enough to make the show good. But there’s literally no other story. I was expecting more.

  • ryan

    i really enjoyed THe Deep End and The Vampire Diaries

  • ryan

    i really enjoyed THe Deep End and The Vampire Diaries

  • http://www.twiter.com/BethTed tdot

    bravo bones and fringe

  • http://www.twiter.com/BethTed tdot

    bravo bones and fringe

  • Lil

    Go Bones! Go Fringe!

  • Lil

    Go Bones! Go Fringe!

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com/ Bill Gorman

    Terry, unlikely we will post cable final ratings, but http://twitter.com/travisyanan typically has them towards the end of the day.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Bill Gorman

    Terry, unlikely we will post cable final ratings, but http://twitter.com/travisyanan typically has them towards the end of the day.

  • Robert

    Wow for Fringe! Good job. Supernatural slipped a little. Great for Vampire Diaries!

  • Robert

    Wow for Fringe! Good job. Supernatural slipped a little. Great for Vampire Diaries!

  • Paul

    Fringe! :)

  • Paul

    Fringe! :)

  • Theoacme

    mswood – yes, CW loves selling its female 18-34 demos…

    …but, lets face it, they can’t be choosy – if they have a show with okay 18-49 demos, they had better sell the hell out of it…

    …it’s not like they have had any show that has ever beaten Accidentally on Purpose – have they?

  • Theoacme

    mswood – yes, CW loves selling its female 18-34 demos…

    …but, lets face it, they can’t be choosy – if they have a show with okay 18-49 demos, they had better sell the hell out of it…

    …it’s not like they have had any show that has ever beaten Accidentally on Purpose – have they?

  • CrimsonV

    What makes people think LUX would be a better pairing for VD than Supernatural. I’m a big fan of LUX and want the show to do well, but paring with VD doesn’t seem perfect to my mind (particularly when that would put the show against Grey’s). I’d rather let Supernatural take the beating each week.

  • CrimsonV

    What makes people think LUX would be a better pairing for VD than Supernatural. I’m a big fan of LUX and want the show to do well, but paring with VD doesn’t seem perfect to my mind (particularly when that would put the show against Grey’s). I’d rather let Supernatural take the beating each week.

  • http://www.twitter.com/adrian_e Acey

    The Bachelor is probably the worst thing LUX could be up against as far as key demo competition, but it’s doing alright. GA’s no demo slouch either, so I don’t think it would do much better. I say leave Supernatural and LUX where they are.

  • http://www.twitter.com/adrian_e Acey

    The Bachelor is probably the worst thing LUX could be up against as far as key demo competition, but it’s doing alright. GA’s no demo slouch either, so I don’t think it would do much better. I say leave Supernatural and LUX where they are.

  • JaySin420

    Fringe is a great show but I’m shocked that new people are tuning in at this point. I thought the writers were screwing up this season by having so many standalone episodes but instead it seems they are building the fan base.

  • JaySin420

    Fringe is a great show but I’m shocked that new people are tuning in at this point. I thought the writers were screwing up this season by having so many standalone episodes but instead it seems they are building the fan base.

  • Mumbo

    Is there a useless “save The Deep End” petition going around yet? Or are there too few people watching even for that?

  • Anthony

    I am not shocked at all about Fringe, not that it matters as its already set for renewal. EA is also making a game based on the show. I am also happy for Vampire Diaries. The show is well done and I love the whole cast.

  • Mumbo

    Is there a useless “save The Deep End” petition going around yet? Or are there too few people watching even for that?

  • Anthony

    I am not shocked at all about Fringe, not that it matters as its already set for renewal. EA is also making a game based on the show. I am also happy for Vampire Diaries. The show is well done and I love the whole cast.

  • DenverDean

    @stefan

    ABC always the Oscars so don’t worry about DH.

  • DenverDean

    @stefan

    ABC always the Oscars so don’t worry about DH.

  • DonJ1973

    I know it’s beating a dead horse, but Deep End is produced by FOX, not ABC Studios. ABC has to pay FOX a licensing fee in addition to the production costs. Unless the ratings are outstanding, which they aren’t the show is done after episode 6.

    The 8pm timeslot on Thursday is not looking good for FlashForward.

    Live for the Moment was a major flop. I know there are people who want more shows like this on air and there are others who want to vomit seeing a gooey, happy feel good show. I like Jeff Probst and I give him props for trying something different, but I think he needs to stick to Survivor for now.

  • DonJ1973

    Probst mentioned that he pitched Live for the Moment as a series to CBS. I guess that isn’t happening now.

  • Don J

    I know it’s beating a dead horse, but Deep End is produced by FOX, not ABC Studios. ABC has to pay FOX a licensing fee in addition to the production costs. Unless the ratings are outstanding, which they aren’t the show is done after episode 6.

    The 8pm timeslot on Thursday is not looking good for FlashForward.

    Live for the Moment was a major flop. I know there are people who want more shows like this on air and there are others who want to vomit seeing a gooey, happy feel good show. I like Jeff Probst and I give him props for trying something different, but I think he needs to stick to Survivor for now.

  • Don J

    Probst mentioned that he pitched Live for the Moment as a series to CBS. I guess that isn’t happening now.

  • Cody

    Bones is my favorite Crime show im happy to see it do well. Fringe is most likely to get the post house slot and Lie to me will either go to thursday or be promoted with Code 58 during the summer

  • Matt

    Community would probably have better retention out of The Office than 30 Rock does at this point. It seems like it’s steadily gaining a larger stand-alone audience.

  • Cody

    Bones is my favorite Crime show im happy to see it do well. Fringe is most likely to get the post house slot and Lie to me will either go to thursday or be promoted with Code 58 during the summer

  • Matt

    Community would probably have better retention out of The Office than 30 Rock does at this point. It seems like it’s steadily gaining a larger stand-alone audience.

  • Debra

    @BILL GORMAN: I heard a rumour Burn Notice beat all networks last night. Can you confirm or deny?

  • Debra

    @BILL GORMAN: I heard a rumour Burn Notice beat all networks last night. Can you confirm or deny?

  • Joe

    Not that it makes *that* much of a difference, but both Bones and Fringe were preempted by winter weather coverage in pretty much all of Oklahoma, and at least parts of Texas, Kansas, Missouri, and Arkansas.

  • Joe

    Not that it makes *that* much of a difference, but both Bones and Fringe were preempted by winter weather coverage in pretty much all of Oklahoma, and at least parts of Texas, Kansas, Missouri, and Arkansas.

  • vsaint

    I’d say if La Femme Nikita gets picked up, it would most likey get the Vampire Diaries post slot. It says with the action Thursday night & puts Supernatural back with Smallville to finish up it’s run.

    Fringe does look like it’s locked up Thursday 9pm, unless Past Life does well.

    LTM is getting the spring/summer, but with Tim Roth’s contract being pretty big, i’m not sure there’s enough profit for Friday/Summer.

    FOX is most likely to pickup something new for post House Slot next year.

  • vsaint

    I’d say if La Femme Nikita gets picked up, it would most likey get the Vampire Diaries post slot. It says with the action Thursday night & puts Supernatural back with Smallville to finish up it’s run.

    Fringe does look like it’s locked up Thursday 9pm, unless Past Life does well.

    LTM is getting the spring/summer, but with Tim Roth’s contract being pretty big, i’m not sure there’s enough profit for Friday/Summer.

    FOX is most likely to pickup something new for post House Slot next year.

  • http://www.twiter.com/BethTed tdot

    I had a good feeling about FOX’s everybody lies night. Now, not so much.

  • http://www.twiter.com/BethTed tdot

    I had a good feeling about FOX’s everybody lies night. Now, not so much.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com/ Bill Gorman

    Debra, Deny. Burn Notice did beat *some* broadcast shows last night, but certainly not *all* broadcast shows.

    Burn Notice (61 minutes)
    - 5.304 million viewers
    - 3.4/6 HH
    - 1.9/5 A18-49

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Bill Gorman

    Debra, Deny. Burn Notice did beat *some* broadcast shows last night, but certainly not *all* broadcast shows.

    Burn Notice (61 minutes)
    - 5.304 million viewers
    - 3.4/6 HH
    - 1.9/5 A18-49

  • mayorofsmpleton

    TVD can’t be compared to Smallville from last year. It’s apples and oranges. Numbers go down across the board for the CW each year. Point is that Smallville was getting old and it likely would have shed even more viewers in the same timeslot. Everything new CW has tried to launch typically does poorly.

    Then comes TVD which goes in a competitive slot and scores impressive numbers for a freshman show without any lead-in. That’s a success for the CW, especially in W18-34 numbers, which are VERY important to their success.

    People complained about Smallville moving to Friday as though the CW was trying to kill it. Newsflash… if they wanted to kill it they could have. CBS cancels shows that pull 11-12 million viewers if they have low demos. CW moved a show that used to be a big hitter to a night that they have trouble with. It did well. They WANTED IT TO! If they wanted to “kill” smallville they’d have just canceled it… which they easily could have done. The same applies when they eventually ship Supernatural to Fridays. It won’t be because they want it dead, it’s because it is a natural fit with Smallville — and would help them build that night as a M18-34, M18-49 destination.

    Dawn Ostroff may be moronic… but she has no AGENDA with Smallville.

    TVD may be crap (and it is…) but the ratings for it are not — at least for CW standards. ;)

    As for now, CW should recognize that their newest successes appear to be shows that aren’t pretty 20-something sluts backstabbing each other. People will flock to CW to see more shows like Buffy, Felicity, Dawson’s Creek, Gilmore Girls, etc… and with Life Unexpected and The Vampire Diaries (which may suck, just not as hard as Gossip Girl, One Tree Hill, 90210, etc) they’ve proven that the old WB formula works… and they need to program accordingly to get viewers.

    I’ve been saying this since they launched several years ago. Unfortunately Veronica Mars or Reaper would fit very well with the current CW slate… too bad they were a bit too early. Or rather, CW was a bit too slow to figure out what made The WB work back in the day.

    Right now they need to start getting show-runners that know how to tell a freakin story — and allow them to hire actors who aren’t just pretty — but can act as well. It isn’t hard… WB did it all the time.

    Seriously, how many big actors did the WB create? How many will be remembered from what the CW has given us? The kids on Gossip Girl, One Tree Hill, etc… they’re all one trick ponies. They’ll be forgotten in 5-10 years.

    Now here comes all the fanboys and girls rushing out to tell me how great Blake Lively and Chad Michael Murray are at acting — and how one particular episode of OTH or GG just showed how amazingly talented they are. Excuse me, I just threw up in my mouth.

  • mayorofsmpleton

    TVD can’t be compared to Smallville from last year. It’s apples and oranges. Numbers go down across the board for the CW each year. Point is that Smallville was getting old and it likely would have shed even more viewers in the same timeslot. Everything new CW has tried to launch typically does poorly.

    Then comes TVD which goes in a competitive slot and scores impressive numbers for a freshman show without any lead-in. That’s a success for the CW, especially in W18-34 numbers, which are VERY important to their success.

    People complained about Smallville moving to Friday as though the CW was trying to kill it. Newsflash… if they wanted to kill it they could have. CBS cancels shows that pull 11-12 million viewers if they have low demos. CW moved a show that used to be a big hitter to a night that they have trouble with. It did well. They WANTED IT TO! If they wanted to “kill” smallville they’d have just canceled it… which they easily could have done. The same applies when they eventually ship Supernatural to Fridays. It won’t be because they want it dead, it’s because it is a natural fit with Smallville — and would help them build that night as a M18-34, M18-49 destination.

    Dawn Ostroff may be moronic… but she has no AGENDA with Smallville.

    TVD may be crap (and it is…) but the ratings for it are not — at least for CW standards. ;)

    As for now, CW should recognize that their newest successes appear to be shows that aren’t pretty 20-something sluts backstabbing each other. People will flock to CW to see more shows like Buffy, Felicity, Dawson’s Creek, Gilmore Girls, etc… and with Life Unexpected and The Vampire Diaries (which may suck, just not as hard as Gossip Girl, One Tree Hill, 90210, etc) they’ve proven that the old WB formula works… and they need to program accordingly to get viewers.

    I’ve been saying this since they launched several years ago. Unfortunately Veronica Mars or Reaper would fit very well with the current CW slate… too bad they were a bit too early. Or rather, CW was a bit too slow to figure out what made The WB work back in the day.

    Right now they need to start getting show-runners that know how to tell a freakin story — and allow them to hire actors who aren’t just pretty — but can act as well. It isn’t hard… WB did it all the time.

    Seriously, how many big actors did the WB create? How many will be remembered from what the CW has given us? The kids on Gossip Girl, One Tree Hill, etc… they’re all one trick ponies. They’ll be forgotten in 5-10 years.

    Now here comes all the fanboys and girls rushing out to tell me how great Blake Lively and Chad Michael Murray are at acting — and how one particular episode of OTH or GG just showed how amazingly talented they are. Excuse me, I just threw up in my mouth.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com/ Bill Gorman

    Joe, Bones and Fringe ratings were unchanged in the final ratings, so preemptions had no effect on the ratings above.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Bill Gorman

    Joe, Bones and Fringe ratings were unchanged in the final ratings, so preemptions had no effect on the ratings above.

  • Dillan

    The CW sells its advertising slots during its shows independently from one another.

    Smallville is the No. 1 series on Fridays 8pm in male demos, and so its advertising slots reflect that. You get banking ads, car ads and insurance ads, even viagra ones, that aren’t broadcast on the CW on any other day.

    Why doesn’t TVbytheNumbers acknowledge this? It’s a contemporary practice originating from cable.

  • Dillan

    The CW sells its advertising slots during its shows independently from one another.

    Smallville is the No. 1 series on Fridays 8pm in male demos, and so its advertising slots reflect that. You get banking ads, car ads and insurance ads, even viagra ones, that aren’t broadcast on the CW on any other day.

    Why doesn’t TVbytheNumbers acknowledge this? It’s a contemporary practice originating from cable.

  • Terry (with a G)

    @Bill
    Thanks for the link to PR info!

  • Terry (with a G)

    @Bill
    Thanks for the link to PR info!

  • http://www.twiter.com/BethTed tdot

    mayorofsmpleton, one tree hill is a WB export?

  • http://www.twiter.com/BethTed tdot

    mayorofsmpleton, one tree hill is a WB export?

  • Anonymous

    You bet, Dawn Ostroff is moronic. I don’t think the idea of an over-the-air Lifetime is working out like she thought it would.

    Smallville, Supernatural, and Gossip Girl are the only shows that have any hope of crossover appeal. GG is safe because it’s strong with women; the other two are on tenterhooks because they skew male. Bad thing on a network like this.

  • Kareem

    You bet, Dawn Ostroff is moronic. I don’t think the idea of an over-the-air Lifetime is working out like she thought it would.

    Smallville, Supernatural, and Gossip Girl are the only shows that have any hope of crossover appeal. GG is safe because it’s strong with women; the other two are on tenterhooks because they skew male. Bad thing on a network like this.

  • http://essentialdatingtips.blogspot.com/ 728huey

    Dawn Ostroff may be moronic… but she has no AGENDA with Smallville.

    TVD may be crap (and it is…) but the ratings for it are not — at least for CW standards. ;)

    As for now, CW should recognize that their newest successes appear to be shows that aren’t pretty 20-something sluts backstabbing each other. People will flock to CW to see more shows like Buffy, Felicity, Dawson’s Creek, Gilmore Girls, etc… and with Life Unexpected and The Vampire Diaries (which may suck, just not as hard as Gossip Girl, One Tree Hill, 90210, etc) they’ve proven that the old WB formula works… and they need to program accordingly to get viewers.

    I’ve been saying this since they launched several years ago. Unfortunately Veronica Mars or Reaper would fit very well with the current CW slate… too bad they were a bit too early. Or rather, CW was a bit too slow to figure out what made The WB work back in the day.

    While I agree with you that the old WB had the better of the primetime programs, UPN actually beat the WB in viewership (however limited it may have been). Unfortuantely, whatever viewership UPN got came from urban (i.e., African American) comedies, Trekkies, and WWE fans. America’s Next Top Model was actually somewhat of a uber-successful fluke for UPN, and Veronica Mars was a WB-type show on the wrong network. The problem with the merger of UPN and the WB into the CW was that it was the UPN management which oversaw the merger, and they mismanaged or jettisoned much of the successful WB programs. They also moved their urban comedy block to Sunday nights, where it got killed by the other networks. And while WWE Friday Night Smackdown was still a huge ratings grabber for the CW, it skewed heavily male and lower-income, so it was no longer a good fit for rest of the programming which was aimed at the 18-34 primarily female demo.

  • http://essentialdatingtips.blogspot.com 728huey

    Dawn Ostroff may be moronic… but she has no AGENDA with Smallville.

    TVD may be crap (and it is…) but the ratings for it are not — at least for CW standards. ;)

    As for now, CW should recognize that their newest successes appear to be shows that aren’t pretty 20-something sluts backstabbing each other. People will flock to CW to see more shows like Buffy, Felicity, Dawson’s Creek, Gilmore Girls, etc… and with Life Unexpected and The Vampire Diaries (which may suck, just not as hard as Gossip Girl, One Tree Hill, 90210, etc) they’ve proven that the old WB formula works… and they need to program accordingly to get viewers.

    I’ve been saying this since they launched several years ago. Unfortunately Veronica Mars or Reaper would fit very well with the current CW slate… too bad they were a bit too early. Or rather, CW was a bit too slow to figure out what made The WB work back in the day.

    While I agree with you that the old WB had the better of the primetime programs, UPN actually beat the WB in viewership (however limited it may have been). Unfortuantely, whatever viewership UPN got came from urban (i.e., African American) comedies, Trekkies, and WWE fans. America’s Next Top Model was actually somewhat of a uber-successful fluke for UPN, and Veronica Mars was a WB-type show on the wrong network. The problem with the merger of UPN and the WB into the CW was that it was the UPN management which oversaw the merger, and they mismanaged or jettisoned much of the successful WB programs. They also moved their urban comedy block to Sunday nights, where it got killed by the other networks. And while WWE Friday Night Smackdown was still a huge ratings grabber for the CW, it skewed heavily male and lower-income, so it was no longer a good fit for rest of the programming which was aimed at the 18-34 primarily female demo.

  • mark wood

    Dillan

    Yes they can sell different ad for each individual program (I don’t think anyone ever said they couldn’t), but advertisers in general pay more for the adult 18-34 then the adult 18-49, and that more then the 25-54, and that more then the the 50+ demo (that you never, never hear about).

    Its the reason that a show on CBS can have 15 million viewers and the Office with half its audience total still brings in far, far more revenue.

    Trust me if Smallville and SN (their two biggest scripted guns for the two previous seasons) were bringing in the most viewer for viewer ad dollars then the CW would have been all over them.

  • mark wood

    Dillan

    Yes they can sell different ad for each individual program (I don’t think anyone ever said they couldn’t), but advertisers in general pay more for the adult 18-34 then the adult 18-49, and that more then the 25-54, and that more then the the 50+ demo (that you never, never hear about).

    Its the reason that a show on CBS can have 15 million viewers and the Office with half its audience total still brings in far, far more revenue.

    Trust me if Smallville and SN (their two biggest scripted guns for the two previous seasons) were bringing in the most viewer for viewer ad dollars then the CW would have been all over them.

  • Edward

    @sammy: I totally know what you mean. I feel exactly the same about bones and shows like The Middle and Castle. They fought their way to renewal (castle isn’t renewed yet… i know I know…) and that makes you feel satisfied for sticking with the show even when renewal was unlikely.

  • Edward

    @sammy: I totally know what you mean. I feel exactly the same about bones and shows like The Middle and Castle. They fought their way to renewal (castle isn’t renewed yet… i know I know…) and that makes you feel satisfied for sticking with the show even when renewal was unlikely.

  • tvmegafan

    YAY fringe, Boo VD, Sucky dumb crap, True Blood is a million times better!!!

  • tvmegafan

    YAY fringe, Boo VD, Sucky dumb crap, True Blood is a million times better!!!

  • chris

    I know this doesn’t have anything to do with Thursday Nights.. But I hope that CW does heavily promote the justice league 2 hour special next friday for smallville so it can have an above average outcome.. Maybe a lot of old fans will tune into the show and brings in higher than expected ratings.. For a show that used to easily pull in 6 million plus viewers per new episode in its early years and anywhere from 4 to 5 mil in the middle years.. Good luck to Smallville.. Also if supernatural could keep ratings on Fridays I do think it would be a better fit after Smallville..

  • chris

    I know this doesn’t have anything to do with Thursday Nights.. But I hope that CW does heavily promote the justice league 2 hour special next friday for smallville so it can have an above average outcome.. Maybe a lot of old fans will tune into the show and brings in higher than expected ratings.. For a show that used to easily pull in 6 million plus viewers per new episode in its early years and anywhere from 4 to 5 mil in the middle years.. Good luck to Smallville.. Also if supernatural could keep ratings on Fridays I do think it would be a better fit after Smallville..

  • gene

    Someone suggested on here a while ago, that with Supernatural now looking at a sixth season it wasn’t expecting, the story arc has slowed down. Definitely true. Last season it was bang-bang-bang on the apocalypse front, now it’s a lot of stand-alone inserts… which does make me think with a sixth season in the offing, they’ve decided to extend the arc? Which is smart, I guess, but I do feel it’s knocking the ratings a bit, so they should really get the signature on the dotted line before anymore humorous one-off episodes… it’s been two weeks without Castiel, so yeh, even as a major fan, I’d rather go back to the big story, which ironically, is what the VD episode did last nite… the twists and turns of the epic arc are always the most fun to watch!

  • gene

    Someone suggested on here a while ago, that with Supernatural now looking at a sixth season it wasn’t expecting, the story arc has slowed down. Definitely true. Last season it was bang-bang-bang on the apocalypse front, now it’s a lot of stand-alone inserts… which does make me think with a sixth season in the offing, they’ve decided to extend the arc? Which is smart, I guess, but I do feel it’s knocking the ratings a bit, so they should really get the signature on the dotted line before anymore humorous one-off episodes… it’s been two weeks without Castiel, so yeh, even as a major fan, I’d rather go back to the big story, which ironically, is what the VD episode did last nite… the twists and turns of the epic arc are always the most fun to watch!

  • Carlos

    Univision’s 9pm novela, Sortilegio, starring William Levy, is coming to an end soon. William Levy, some say, is the latin Brad Pitt. They also recently switched their programming to HD. Oh, and they also debuted the first episode of Mujeres Asasinas at 10pm. It was a great production, true story of a maid who killed her boss. Check out the tweets on Mujeres Asesinas and you’ll see why Univision is coming in 2nd place :)

  • Carlos

    Univision’s 9pm novela, Sortilegio, starring William Levy, is coming to an end soon. William Levy, some say, is the latin Brad Pitt. They also recently switched their programming to HD. Oh, and they also debuted the first episode of Mujeres Asasinas at 10pm. It was a great production, true story of a maid who killed her boss. Check out the tweets on Mujeres Asesinas and you’ll see why Univision is coming in 2nd place :)

  • Kami

    Thanks Carlos. No one ever talks about Univision. Those numbers are impressive.

  • Kami

    Thanks Carlos. No one ever talks about Univision. Those numbers are impressive.

  • J

    Is this the best Univision has ever done? I know theyve been first on a Friday, but the english broadcasters seem to have abandoned fridays.

  • J

    Is this the best Univision has ever done? I know theyve been first on a Friday, but the english broadcasters seem to have abandoned fridays.

  • Dillan

    The CW doesn’t pay that much for Smallville, so its ad slots are capped the cheapest at $25k, and at most $35k, per ad. So it has appeal to advertisers as its cheap but yet still a rating series.

  • Dillan

    The CW doesn’t pay that much for Smallville, so its ad slots are capped the cheapest at $25k, and at most $35k, per ad. So it has appeal to advertisers as its cheap but yet still a rating series.

  • Dario

    Community got 4.2 mil. for a rerun…and can’t imagine NBC doesn’t renew it…

  • Dario

    Community got 4.2 mil. for a rerun…and can’t imagine NBC doesn’t renew it…

  • Joe

    Thanks for the info, Bill! And congrats to Fringe!

  • Joe

    Thanks for the info, Bill! And congrats to Fringe!

  • http://! R Kid

    The reason why people love TVD so much is its kind of a sucky rip off, of that Twilight saga crap, i mean like come on, that came on the scene and it just took everything by storm, it even beat HP film success, and HP is a million times better, its just a vampire love story and CW have realised that people are into that now so why not make a show kind like twilight and They are sure to pull in viewers! Vampires seem to be the real deal atm in terms of tv, but I prefer True blood, so much better!

    Also Smallville was beating VD last season for a good bit and seasons before, lets see if the TVD can last 9 seasons and still pull them ratings, I seriously doubt it!

  • Anonymous

    The reason why people love TVD so much is its kind of a sucky rip off, of that Twilight saga crap

    Except the part where The Vampire Diaries is based on a book series that was written before Twilight…

  • Holly

    The reason why people love TVD so much is its kind of a sucky rip off, of that Twilight saga crap

    Except the part where The Vampire Diaries is based on a book series that was written before Twilight…

  • Joe

    Calling The Vampire Diaries a ‘sucky rip off of Twilight’ is pretty naive, but don’t you think the success of Twilight/TrueBlood is one of, if not THE primary reason The Vampire Diaries television series was green-lit? I can’t imagine TVD would be around if Twilight wasn’t such a hit.

  • Joe

    Calling The Vampire Diaries a ‘sucky rip off of Twilight’ is pretty naive, but don’t you think the success of Twilight/TrueBlood is one of, if not THE primary reason The Vampire Diaries television series was green-lit? I can’t imagine TVD would be around if Twilight wasn’t such a hit.

  • http://www.myspace.com/donmccullen Don

    This should show that Fringe has a loyal audience. Its just squeezed by several popular established shows and FOX is still foolishing to not move it.

    On the other hand Tuesdays has picked up with CBS’s NCIS:LA, and now ABC’s Lost will air directly aganist it.

  • http://www.myspace.com/donmccullen Don

    This should show that Fringe has a loyal audience. Its just squeezed by several popular established shows and FOX is still foolishing to not move it.

    On the other hand Tuesdays has picked up with CBS’s NCIS:LA, and now ABC’s Lost will air directly aganist it.

  • q

    Smallville gets $33,050 for every 30 second ad. When compared to the ad rates received for the other network shows on Friday night Smallville is holding its own quite nicely. The difference between Smallville’s ad rates and the highest Ad rates (Ghost Whisperer) at 8pm is a little more than 2X higher.

    On other nights of the week the difference between the CW show ad rates and the other networks ad rates are sometimes more than 6x higher.

    Oh, Supernatural has the lowest ad rates for the CW and Vampire Diaries only gets about $5,000 more per ad then Smallville.

  • q

    Smallville gets $33,050 for every 30 second ad. When compared to the ad rates received for the other network shows on Friday night Smallville is holding its own quite nicely. The difference between Smallville’s ad rates and the highest Ad rates (Ghost Whisperer) at 8pm is a little more than 2X higher.

    On other nights of the week the difference between the CW show ad rates and the other networks ad rates are sometimes more than 6x higher.

    Oh, Supernatural has the lowest ad rates for the CW and Vampire Diaries only gets about $5,000 more per ad then Smallville.

  • Bobby

    Yeah Vampire DIaries is a rip off of Twilight. The only reason it does well is because of the twilight fans.

  • Bobby

    Yeah Vampire DIaries is a rip off of Twilight. The only reason it does well is because of the twilight fans.

  • Bobby

    Hey q, how did you know how much Smallville gets per ad??? Please post your resource.

  • Bobby

    Hey q, how did you know how much Smallville gets per ad??? Please post your resource.

  • q
  • q
  • Smallville #1 Fan

    Wow thanks q! Do you know how much Smallville ad’s were for last season?

  • Smallville #1 Fan

    Wow thanks q! Do you know how much Smallville ad’s were for last season?

  • q

    Last year when Smallville was on THURSDAY night they received around $56,000 per 30 second spot.

  • q

    Last year when Smallville was on THURSDAY night they received around $56,000 per 30 second spot.

  • Smallville #1 Fan

    Wow nice!! Thanks!

  • Smallville #1 Fan

    Wow nice!! Thanks!

  • Smallville #1 Fan

    Q, do the advertisement amounts increase throughout the season?

  • Smallville #1 Fan

    Q, do the advertisement amounts increase throughout the season?

  • q

    The figures should be taken as directional indicators, not gospel. The estimates are based on what advertisers paid for ad time during the upfront market, during which marketers commit to pay for predetermined amounts of ad inventory months or weeks in advance in exchange for locking down price guarantees.

    Now, they do sell ads closer to the air date and those are called scatter inventory. Broadcasters hold back, on average, 10% to 15% of time normally sold in the upfront for Scatter inventory. On average those Scatter prices are mid to high digit percentages above the upfront ad rates.

  • q

    The figures should be taken as directional indicators, not gospel. The estimates are based on what advertisers paid for ad time during the upfront market, during which marketers commit to pay for predetermined amounts of ad inventory months or weeks in advance in exchange for locking down price guarantees.

    Now, they do sell ads closer to the air date and those are called scatter inventory. Broadcasters hold back, on average, 10% to 15% of time normally sold in the upfront for Scatter inventory. On average those Scatter prices are mid to high digit percentages above the upfront ad rates.

  • q

    Disciple pulled 2.52 million in fast nationals.

  • q

    Disciple pulled 2.52 million in fast nationals.

  • Smallville #1 Fan

    How’d you know? Link please :D

  • Smallville #1 Fan

    How’d you know? Link please :D

  • Smallville #1 Fan

    NVM i checked on twitter your right!

  • Smallville #1 Fan

    NVM i checked on twitter your right!

  • Smallville #1 Fan

    I wonder what Legion did.. after Disciple.

  • Smallville #1 Fan

    I wonder what Legion did.. after Disciple.

  • q

    I could really care less what Legion received. I did not care for Legion at all.

  • q

    I could really care less what Legion received. I did not care for Legion at all.

  • q

    1.48 million viewers and a 0.6/ 2.

  • q

    1.48 million viewers and a 0.6/ 2.

  • Smallville #1 Fan

    That’s pretty good!

  • Smallville #1 Fan

    That’s pretty good!

  • Anonymous

    @Joe,

    Yes, I’m sure the success of Twilight played heavily into the decision to pick-up Diaries. I’m not arguing that. I’m just arguing the “rip-off” part. It’s kind of like when Lord of the Rings movies came out and Harry Potter fans were accusing them of copying ideas from Rowlings…

  • Holly

    @Joe,

    Yes, I’m sure the success of Twilight played heavily into the decision to pick-up Diaries. I’m not arguing that. I’m just arguing the “rip-off” part. It’s kind of like when Lord of the Rings movies came out and Harry Potter fans were accusing them of copying ideas from Rowlings…

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    [...] The overnight ratings for the episode are in, with it pulling in 3.72 million viewers in the USA. From TV By the Numbers: The other big beneficiary of the weaker competition at 8pm was CW’s Vampire Diaries, which was [...]

  • AtCat

    CW beating NBC will be the future.

  • AtCat

    CW beating NBC will be the future.

  • kendall

    the 1st of supernatural was stronger than vampire diaries. I don’t think vampire diaries is going to be on the screen that long. Supernatural is doing very well (it’s their 5th season after all). And i really hope there will be season 6.
    I don’t say that vampire diaries is bad. no, i enjoy the show. But supernatural is absolutely different league.

  • kendall

    the 1st of supernatural was stronger than vampire diaries. I don’t think vampire diaries is going to be on the screen that long. Supernatural is doing very well (it’s their 5th season after all). And i really hope there will be season 6.
    I don’t say that vampire diaries is bad. no, i enjoy the show. But supernatural is absolutely different league.

  • kendall

    i mean the 1st season of supernatural was stronger, i just miss the word. sorry!

  • kendall

    i mean the 1st season of supernatural was stronger, i just miss the word. sorry!

  • http://sbcglobal.net/ The Rocker

    Felipe, quit talking about your momma! Supernatural rocks!

  • http://sbcglobal.net The Rocker

    Felipe, quit talking about your momma! Supernatural rocks!

  • vamps

    I started dvring Vamp D. for my wife…it’s actually not that bad. Seems to be getting more interesting as things go on.

  • vamps

    I started dvring Vamp D. for my wife…it’s actually not that bad. Seems to be getting more interesting as things go on.

  • kozy

    So Fringe’s ratings woe was due to tough competition, not to lack of viewer interest. Hope Fox gives it another season. The episodes have been getting better lately, with the story arc now centering on Walter Bishop. John Noble is so fun to watch. Lance Reddick and Jasika Nicole do so much with their limited screen time. Anna Torv and Joshua Jackson do so little with their outsized screen time. I miss the evil Blair Brown of season one. She hasn’t been around much in season two.

  • Kozy

    So Fringe’s ratings woe was due to tough competition, not to lack of viewer interest. Hope Fox gives it another season. The episodes have been getting better lately, with the story arc now centering on Walter Bishop. John Noble is so fun to watch. Lance Reddick and Jasika Nicole do so much with their limited screen time. Anna Torv and Joshua Jackson do so little with their outsized screen time. I miss the evil Blair Brown of season one. She hasn’t been around much in season two.

  • Ginger

    Supernatural has always had tough competition. But with the death of Kim Manners, the show’s Executive Producer and best Director, it really has gotten a tad bit sloppy. Just a few episodes with plot holes. But, the show is still very good. You could just feel the difference without Kim Manners. It was never really given a fair chance on Thursdays. Especially being on the CW, and up against so many top shows. I hope they get a chance to turn it around. Hopefully they will. Because it really is pretty much the only thing I watch. Supernatural needs to bring back the horror feel, and suspense it used to have. They have been diving into the humor, fan inspired concepts as of late. Stick to the intellect they’ve had in the past.

  • Ginger

    Supernatural has always had tough competition. But with the death of Kim Manners, the show’s Executive Producer and best Director, it really has gotten a tad bit sloppy. Just a few episodes with plot holes. But, the show is still very good. You could just feel the difference without Kim Manners. It was never really given a fair chance on Thursdays. Especially being on the CW, and up against so many top shows. I hope they get a chance to turn it around. Hopefully they will. Because it really is pretty much the only thing I watch. Supernatural needs to bring back the horror feel, and suspense it used to have. They have been diving into the humor, fan inspired concepts as of late. Stick to the intellect they’ve had in the past.

  • gene

    Oh, that is sad about Kim Manners, how did i not manage to read about that last year? he directed one of my fave eps of Star Trek Next Generation, and all those X-Files eps, and even my teen faves like 21 Jump St! And his directing of Supernatural eps was so spot on… what a loss for the industry.

  • gene

    Oh, that is sad about Kim Manners, how did i not manage to read about that last year? he directed one of my fave eps of Star Trek Next Generation, and all those X-Files eps, and even my teen faves like 21 Jump St! And his directing of Supernatural eps was so spot on… what a loss for the industry.

  • John Galt

    FRINGE was up against repeats, but it was still a very good sign that ratings were way up. Is should be moved back to Mondays at 9pm if its renewed in the Fall. If “24″ does come back (though it still has good ratings its getting old) they could put it on Thursdays at 9pm in FRINGE’s current slot. “24″ is pretty much recycling old plot devices unless they come up with some truly different plot they should end it before it goes downhill. Kiefer isnt getting any younger either. Maybe they could make a “24″ movie now and then.

  • John Galt

    FRINGE was up against repeats, but it was still a very good sign that ratings were way up. Is should be moved back to Mondays at 9pm if its renewed in the Fall. If “24″ does come back (though it still has good ratings its getting old) they could put it on Thursdays at 9pm in FRINGE’s current slot. “24″ is pretty much recycling old plot devices unless they come up with some truly different plot they should end it before it goes downhill. Kiefer isnt getting any younger either. Maybe they could make a “24″ movie now and then.

  • Patyta

    Can anyone explain to me why FOX just created a WINTER FINALE for FRINGE??? ANd the rates were getting better (i know it’s agaisnt reapeats, but it show the show potencial)… so can anyone explain to me WHY!!!!

  • Patyta

    Can anyone explain to me why FOX just created a WINTER FINALE for FRINGE??? ANd the rates were getting better (i know it’s agaisnt reapeats, but it show the show potencial)… so can anyone explain to me WHY!!!!

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